An honest chat about my experiences within the equestrian industry / Equestrian VLOG
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- I tend not to do videos like this, partly because I generally don't pay attention to the news or mainstream media, and partly because I am very a blunt person with somewhat colourful opinions at times so it's often best to keep my thoughts to myself. But this story about Charlotte Dujardin abusing a horse just kept invading my online spaces, I literally couldn't avoid seeing it. And after watching it I remembered exactly why I no longer work within the equestrian industry. I should point out that not all of my experiences in the industry have been negative, I have worked for and with some genuinely nice people, and have met some very talented horse trainers who never behaved in the ways shown in that video ... but unfortunately I have also met plenty of people who treat their horses (and students... and staff!) like crap!
I myself have been on a bit of a journey wrestling with this over the years. I'm ashamed to say that in my eagerness to be a 'better rider', I started going down the same road as some of these questionable individuals. Thankfully I finally woke up to it all and stopped perusing training and having lessons with people who's solution to every problem was to 'give it a smack with the stick'.
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I think you hit the nail on the head ... here's to us 'not good enough' riders with happy ponies ❤
@@lindseycox3535 absolutely ❤️❤️❤️
I am in your camp, I love my ponies too much to hurt them. We are living in an age, where, we have natural horsemanship to understand how a horse thinks and how it will respond. Why resort to violence to ask them to do what we want? I stopped watching 'professional' horse sports a long time ago. I will start watching when horses tongues stop turning blue with bits, where they are whipped and have them not enjoy what they are doing because of repercussions. They are amazing creatures, and, to truly earn the love of one, is priceless. Unfortunately to some, they are commodities for big earnings or glory. Show me more natural riders in sports, where it is all about the horse. Plus, if us 'normal' equestrians, would just stop all the negativity to one another, what a wonderful life this could be. You are right to speak up about this, and plus nothing beats Nelly and her zoomies up that hill ❤
I'm the same as you, haven't really watched equestrian sports for years now. It's funny coz people always ask me if I go to Cheltenham races or Badminton and my response is always a complete lack of interest which confuses them. But that kind of thing just doesn't really interest me, it all feels so high pressure and everyone is so serious and it's all big stakes big money. And like you said, it is just about making money for a lot of them .... I wonder how many big name equestrians would keep on riding if they stopped getting paid? 🤔 And I think that's where a lot of the mistrestment comes in. I think people make promises that can't be kept, claim they can get a horse doing x/y/z in 6 weeks and then realise the animal can't do it. And instead of risking their reputation or losing money they start to increase the pressure on the horse to perform, when maybe it isn't even capable of doing what's asked of it.
the ride was such a joy.
What makes me sick is people like Pammy Hutton & Carl pretending like they didn't know it goes on . THEY made me sick to my stomach for acting so innocent.
Also it's NOT the norm. There are plenty of accomplished riders ( like Boyd Martin for example) that would NEVER do that. True horseman/ women don't do that.
Yes I've been guilty of it in Showjumping. Once or twice. But never again.
Also all the big U tubers calling Charlotte a mum/ daughter & we should leave her alone. They make me sick too.
I feel exactly the same as you do ........If beating my horse is what i need to do to get to the top (my goal is HOYS) then i dont want to go there,
My horse Willow is my pride and joy and i have no intention of beating him to fufill my dream x
@@KarenBadrick1 it's crazy though isn't it? How does it go from being a fun hobby with a beloved furry friend, to an obsession so powerful that you're willing to beat up your teammate up to get the next ribbon? 🤯 I so hope you two get to HOYS, you look after your lot so well and it's so deserved ❤️
Your thoughts echo a lot of what I have heard and seen from other select You Tubers I watch in that there's a sense of yeh no surprise it's endemic in the industry to behave like that. I don't have horses but I used to really enjoy watching Equestrian sport but have gradually come to the realisation that that perceived partnership of horse and person is a lot of the time based on abuse and fear. And I think you are right. Its become normalised and it isn't penalised by the governing bodies even when their own rules on welfare are being broken. There's a culture of abuse. So I just watch people like you now who have a partnership with their horses built on respect for another living being. And actually I find it a lot more inspirational to learn how a proper partnership between horse and person can be developed with empathy. So, well said.
@@keithsimpson2697 so many bad practices have been normalised sadly. It's not everyone though, I think I have been quite unlucky with some of the individuals I've met, but I do think the whole industry needs overhauling and mindsets need to change. Especially within governing bodies!!
Well said ! ❤
I felt very disappointed too, and was most upset with the person heard laughing. I do wonder why that video emerged when it did though. Why wasn’t it reported at the time of the incident, why wait until the start of the Olympics?. Raises more questions than it answers (-: Marion
@@marionwigzell7334 I asked this too. Apparently it was to do with the rider being under aged at the time this happened. And there were afraid of victim blaming etc. Which I kinda get (There is a statement from the rider's lawyer floating around on the internet now, answering a lot of these questions) I think we can all agree that calling out someone as prestigious as Charlotte takes a lot of guts, and from my personal experience I can say that people aren't usually interested in doing anything about this kind of behaviour, even when people do report these things, so again, I do kinda get it. But on the flip side ... They had a video of it! Most people don't have video evidence of their encounters with this behaviour, so it's always a 'your word against mine' kind of situation. I am still a little baffled as to why, given the video evidence, they didn't just blow it up then and there! 🤷 But perhaps that goes back to the previous points. Who knows.
As for the video being released when it was ... coincidence? Perhaps. But unlikely in my opinion. I think it was very calculated, and released at a time that would cause the most damage, get the most media coverage, and ensure that Charlotte would be out of the Olympics.
I must say though, the fact that a lawyer is involved suggests there is a much greater game afoot that none of us are aware of yet! I'm sure it'll all come out in the end.
It's so sad isn't it 😞 one of the reasons I train my own horses. There's just no need for sh*t like this😢
@@PonyFunWithCloverJasmine absolutely no need for it. I think that dark horrible part of the equestrian world needs a good boot up its arse! But as long as money is rolling in the right direction I doubt much if anything will change
Like you I was disappointed, but not surprised. Also when I was doing Bd it was well known she wasn’t a particularly nice person, though this was just rumours. The way her young horses look like they are about to go Grand Prix at 5, and always so tense.
Totally agree with you on lessons, especially with Corp not had one for years and years because they would ask far too much from him.
@@EJMEQUESTRIAN oh that's interesting ... I had her whispers of a similar nature too. But again, it's rumours and hearsay so you never really know what to believe. Guess we all know now!
I’ve learned I will not trust many people with my horse and personally want to always be present to some degree visiting my horse at least twice a week whenever he is getting ridden. You have to see someone upset with a horse to know how they will treat it when they are upset. I judge them literally by how they treated my horse when my horse was being “bad”. Honestly I think most people are “rough” with their horse… and their dogs. I also don’t need to make the horse do whatever whim I have. I want to work with my horse at the pace they learn at (as with humans) that works best for them and as long as we are taking steps forward I’m happy. I am also comfortable taking a break or switching discipline. Often a teacher would tell me to wack them with a stick, where in fact I was not kicking hard enough or squeezing hard enough because I didn’t want to go as fast as she wanted me to go. She was pushing me hard and I was not asking the horse to go fast. When that same horse was occasionally naughty for me I would simply take my crop and tap the horse on the shoulder and she always corrected and did what I asked. I never ever had to hit her with it even tho I was instructed to give her a pop. I just used it to tap her and it always worked. I agree in schools I went in kids were told to kick hard. Vs hey wait a second the kid is probably scared and not squeezing well enough due to not having the leg strength yet anyway.
That last statement ... 100% agree with this!!! And horses are NOT stupid. If their rider is unbalanced or unsure of themselves, they often will not do anything that might harm their rider. SO MANY HORSES DO THIS! It is the sweetest thing, to watch a horse go from 'dope on a rope' to racehorse, just with a change of rider on its back. They know. And it saddens me that so many instructors push people to nag at the horses to go faster and do more when it's clear that the rider can not handle more. The horse knows this, so why don't we see it too? It's such a strange world to be in
Yes so saddened and disappointed. And the horse was obviously used to this type of treatment which makes me want to cry 🇮🇪
@@lizgarland2241 the way he kicked out though ... He didn't get nasty ... He just said 'hey, I don't like that'. Not that anyone listened to him.
They are such tolerant creatures, for an animal that could easily overpower and harm us. So very tolerant
If someone decided that was the only way to get me to learn something, I'd sue them, and good. Makes me wish there was such a thing as animal law suits, with the animals themselves as the defendants.
@@shelleygreer915 The person who I mentioned in that story had been reported to the college she represented but as far as I am aware nothing ever came of it.
I couldn’t agree more but I was so shocked to see CDJ in that situation. I genuinely thought she was so much better than that as a person. I’ve recently too heard the rumours that she is rude…. But what she has done to god knows how many horses is beyond fixable. The only saving grace is this is a win for horses. Hopefully expositions like that will make other so called equestrians think twice! But it does go without saying that this and much worse happens in the horsey world and it’s simply unacceptable.
I always used to be proud to be an equestrian, but I realise I have been naive. Even when like you having questionable (at best) experiences in the horse world, seeing owners and professionals treat their horses like dirt, using equipment to abuse and control, not to communicate be kind with. I always thought that the majority of equestrians only want what is best for their four legged best friends. But it’s simply not true. I now believe wherever there is income/financial gain associated with an animal the abuse will always be there. I am a lover of thoroughbreds and rehoming them but the racing industry is so hard on them from so young and nothing is done about it. I think the horse world is well overdue a lot of changes and for horse welfare to be more important than money, for once!
@@Thediabeticequestrian your absolutely right, it is all about money! It seems that where ever horses are used as a source of income they simply become an object for exploitation. I wonder if the people who carry out these horrible practices would even be around horses if there wasn't some kind of monetary gain to be had? 🤔
7:35 "chicky Lou youve already had loads of breakfast"
Horse: but mom I don't remember breakfast, it was so long ago
I relate to her tbh ... food is life 🤣
That is a sad story.. ☹️
@@KhrystynaBraverman it had a happy ending though ... I learned how NOT to train horses. A valuable lesson indeed
Ravers l was absolutely gobsmacked by that video of Charlotte, the amount of times she whipped that poor horse was unbelievable and upsetting, when l owned my horses l didn’t use whips, spurs and bits, and it really 🤬 when parents put spurs on little kids especially if they don’t know what they’re doing, a whip is bad enough, use your natural aids, and how is the beautiful Nell’s lump, has it gone down?, tfs x Julie
@@juliederry3719 oh goodness spurs on kids should not be allowed! Heck my dam legs flap too much to wear them (not that I would wear them anyway), but I cant understand how a child is supposed to control their legs enough to have pointy bits of metal on them 🤨 it's madness! Our Nelly has scars from spurs, two half mood indents in her sides right where your heels sit. She had them by the time we got her ... As a backed and ridden away 3 year old 😭 she went from her breeder to someone who dam near broke her, overbent her head till it touched her chest and from what I could tell was only ever ridden on the right rein. She literally didn't know what 'left' was. She then went back to her breeder for what ever reason and my mum bought her a few months later.
Her lump is doing good now, it's not really a lump any more, more just a scabby thing
@@raversmeadThis! Well said!
I was learning to ride and was told to smack tye horse as it was stubborn. I hit tye saddle nit horse as i hated whips. I left that riding school afterwards
Well done you! I don't know why we are told this as standard practice. Just doesn't make sense
I genuinely thought/think Carl is not like Charlotte?? I'm really confused because he taught her? I thought Carl to be gentle?
@@KateC52 maybe she moved away from his methods over the years? Or perhaps she was always that way despite having Carl as a mentor? From what I understand she was quite an accomplished rider before going to his yard, perhaps that was just how she was, despite further training. Perhaps Carl trains like this too? Who knows 🤷 Carl doesn't strike me as someone would would handle a horse in that way, I've had lessons with someone who was trained by him (many years ago and sadly only twice, as they stopped teaching) and they were hands down the most knowledgeable and kind trainer I have ever known, they really did understand the horse and rider relationship and how to get the most out of us. It was a pity that I never had any more lessons with that person.
I guess at the end of the day you just never know what goes on behind closed doors. But it will be interesting to see if more people come forward exposing behavior like this now.
@@raversmead ❤️ thank you for your reply, I'm not a horse rider myself I just have an interest in horses, a mixture of fear and absolute awe. They're just beautiful animals. I rode as a kid, I enjoyed it.
I would be totally shocked if Carl was abusive at all, I sincerely hope not, it's bad enough seeing what CD did , horrible horrible 😥
Yes but there are a lot of very good trainers out there also..
@@KhrystynaBraverman your absolutely right, there are. Think I've been a tad unlucky!
It is wrong to treat horses like that..