Pushy, disrespectful dangerous horse!
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- Опубликовано: 5 май 2024
- The work I am doing with this pushy, disrespectful dangerous horse will save her life!
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Did not take her long to realize she is not boss. I just enjoy how you take the anger or emotion out of your correction. Just consistency.
Agreed 110%!!
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Orthopedic surgeons hurt people all the time without being angry. Grinding her into meat for out of country consumption which is what her outcome will be if she is sent to loose horse sale and bought up by a kill buyer. Tim was loving. Sometimes loving does cause discomfort
@judithmiller6670 I am not seeing this horse hurt. He makes sure the bit it in its bars and not teeth. Have you watched very long? He bumps this horse. Watch what he does and not the reaction. Play it over. He is one of the most transparent trainers on RUclips. Also, his corrections aren't fed by any emotion. He corrects enough to make an impression and never more. I trained my first horse at 15. I wish I had this emotional maturity. I failed at correction often. Tim does not.
@@francesn33 Such an accurate interpretation! Thank you for watching and commenting!
I commend the owners for asking for help and not giving up so easily. With a bit of retraining, I bet she’ll be a willing partner, although she’ll probably need consistency and reprimanding with any negative actions.
Thank you for sharing. 💖💕
She acts as every single Haflinger we have here in the north of Germany. Pretty good horses as long as you are very straight with them. And very dangerous if you try the I love my pony way.
Disciplining a broke horse at the right time is definitely not abuse. Glad you are helping tge owners with Cupcake. First time owners can get upside down with a horse, even a well trained one real quick. You will be able to guide them thru the steps and hopefully they will be able to pickup on reading their mares behavior from the ground and in the saddle. It will also help them with the young one......they are on a journey....but in the right direction!
I'm happy the owners will come take lessons. Thanks for showing us how you handled it.
i have seen this scenario before and the mare is in a different mellow state when she is pregnant, than when they aren't in foal they are a whole different horse
Exactly!
I am so glad you shared the story of how she came to you. I experienced the exact same thing when my 8 year old mare foaled 3 months after I bought her! It got to where I wouldn’t go to the stall without a lunge whip. I got them off to a foaling barn with a professional just in time.
Lots of parents would benefit from watching this! Clear and calm correction. Thanks Tim.
"What i am doing will save her life"
I completely agree.
Like with kids, if you try to be their best friend they will take advantage of the situation, forcing you to go backwards and start all over again as a parent and as a horse owner. You cannot be EQUAL to a horse. You must be the leader or they will make (darn) sure they are the boss over you. That is how horses operate and you either operate under the same set of rules or they'll put you in the hospital.
So very true!!
You literally are saving her life. Literally. I do commend her owners for putting her with a good trainer who can hopefully readjust her.
Viewers on RUclips seem to understand that WAY more than Facebook viewers. Thank you for commenting!
@@MalindaRyan-xi7et FB has all the "My Little Pony" people who do not get that petting and carrots cannot correct all bad behavior.
My father called her taking advantage of inexperienced owners as being “buffaloed”. She knows how to be ridden but knows she can control the owner.
Totally agree. 90% of all unruly horses are due to their owners, not getting consistent or proper training. Non horse people have ruined alot due to no knowledge.
I had a horse like this. Her former owner was a greenhorn and they would take her back if she acted up. It took a very short time to change her attitude!
Once they learn they can boss you around and they feel like the boss it can be scary. It is the little things we let go or ignore that turn into big things. This will make the horse better and give the owners the knowledge to deal with this girl effectively. Thanks for sharing a video that shows how to be firm but fair for a safe respectful horse
So true! Thanks for watching and commenting!
I have an Australian shepherd & have learned a lot about how to deal with her undesirable behaviors from watching your videos. Thank you for explaining the 'why' of you being so hard on this horse & also pointing out that you are going to be just as nice as you are demanding. It's all about balance.
A bit of discomfort is better than dead. You are indeed saving her life. I'm glad her owners recognized they needed help and reached out. That mare is lucky they care enough about her to try to solve the problem.
Absolutely!
It's so important to let a horse know that it won't get away with bad behaviour. When Cupcake realised that all her tricks wouldn't work and she would get into trouble any time she tried, I could see that expression on her face like she was thinking "F*ck!" 😂
Great video to show to people who aren't aware of how essential being strict but fair is and also how well "wrong decision hard,right decision easy" works, not only with horses and children, but also with dogs. Thanks for sharing. I have a friend who should watch this, especially as you were referring to children 😉
I love your comment!! Sounds spot-on;)
@@MalindaRyan-xi7et thank you Malinda. And my friend is happy that I shared the video with him. He said he'll watch more of your and Tim's videos 😊
I’m a new horse owner and my older gal is trying to have her way with me. Gotten worse over time. These videos have helped me learn how to handle her.
At 3:30 it's the horse version of covering your ears and chanting "I can't hearrr yooouuuu!"
🤣🤣🤣. I agree;)
"Oh shit! This guy means BUSINESS!"...
😂 Yep;)
Amen thank you to bad the people that really need to hear and do these things won't listen or hear ❤
Unfortunately.
I forwarded the video to someone who hopefully WILL listen. His horses aren't a big problem yet, but the child is and so far he's not been taking things seriously enough
Your earning your fee today. Learned a lot today.
Well done Tim for showing owners this because horses are “herd” animals they are not like a pet dog where a dog will treat you as number one a horse will read your body language and works out very quickly wether you are a leader or down the pecking order. You need to be firm if a horse starts to work out this this, first time owners can pet to much on a horse and loose that respect
In Germany we are having a discussion over the introduction of a compulsary exam, that owners of horses should have to pass, before buying a horse. An exam in horse handeling. So far, it is just optional.
On the surface that seems like a good idea but the deeper idea of the government regulating horse handling requiring specific techniques I think is a bad idea. Horses are individuals and this same problem in an arabian should be handled differently and a government agency does not know more than a professional handler.
@@timandersonhorsetrainingGood point!
@@timandersonhorsetrainingthey are very strict on dogs. Some types are not allowed, others have to pass a viciousness test. I feel conflicted about gov't intrusion too. On the other hand our shelters are jammed full of bully breeds. Every Tom Dick and Harry this they will meet their rent by breeding their pitt bulls.
Once again, there is no perfect solution, only imperfect trade offs.
Haflingers can sometimes be stubborn but once they undestand they cannot have things the way they like, they become good companions.
It’s not a game. I got two studs as a total beginner and once I understood I had a right to my own self respect everything changed (God bless Ray Hunt)
I have no issue, at all. Thank you for saving her.
Great job, Tim.
Thank goodness they asked for help ! ❤
That worked pretty quickly. I see youre in a Buffett state of mind !
I need to go shopping for work clothes. Lol.
@@timandersonhorsetraining don’t you think that maybe she is reacting like that in order to protect herself after having a baby instead of being “pushy” and “disrespectful” as you call it. Animals sense a lot of feelings just like some people. It’s okay if some horses can’t have you ride them. She wasn’t being “disrespectful” at all and you didn’t have to be that harsh with the horse.
You do a great job by explaining that, and then sure enough we see the change in the horse by the end of the video!
Well done there Tim with this Horse.
I did the same with some of my horses and they became better, they changed, but still I was thinking that I did something wrong, now I see that I did all correct!! Thanks!
Loved how she reconsidered when you dropped the mounting block around the 3:10 mark but then onto the next strategy, not paying attention. By the videos end, Cupcake's attitude is much improved and since you've first started working with her, she's moving so much better in the hind. Can't wait to see her finished product!
really nice demonstration of positive reinforcement & correction methods that demonstrate the right way to fix issues before they become deadly.
Between you and Steve Young , you guys have got to be my two favorite trainers ! The both of you are great trainers , knows what it takes in different areas of the training process and the horses and what they are telling you both... you both succeed in getting it done very well and its great watching you guys. What great horsemen both of you are ...love both of your guys video's!😉😊👍👏👏
Adorable horse!❤❤❤❤❤
My video of the year.
Is this Ace’s mom, perchance? I thought I remembered you saying he was a surprise foal and 1/2 Halflinger.
Yes this is Ace's mom.
1:26 This is also what dog's do, the rehearsed action of intimidation achieves the desired outcome, then aggression sets in. So many dogs end up in high kill shelters because of the "purely positive, positive reinforcement only" mindset. They frown on using training aids they deem aversive that will long term fix a dog's foul behavior, like prong and electronic collars. In many dogs to change their behavior, the unwanted behavior needs to suck bad enough to make that animal learn and not repeat it.
Seems that you know absolutely nothing about these amazing animals. 🐶
@@judithmiller6670 It seems that you know absolutely nothing about me, my experience with horses and or training in general.
Her attitude changed quickly when you mad things a bit tough for her. It's good the owner is coming to you for some lessons. People don't get taught these things at a riding school. It's horsemanship as opposed to just riding.
'We're gonna do this again, and your gonna be GOOD'😂 Love this comment and love your style!
Good morning all. Now Cupcake you know who the leader is, great job Tim. Thank you Tim & Melinda for video.😃😇
Great example of how quick a bad attitude can be fixed with some no nonsense training. Love it.
It is a lot easier to do small corrections for small issues than to have to send the horse out to a professional like yourself who has to lay down the law. Balance the size of the correction to the size of the issue.
I have seen several good horses ruined by people who don't want to be "mean".
Mare has to earn having her hoofs picked. She knows better. She is getting exactly what she needs.
Should a baby have to earn having its diaper changed?
Should a horse have to earn hoof care and fly spray? I question whether an animal is capable of making these connections.
You saved both of their lives.
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No huggy/Kissy here, I'm happy to say. Not that a rider has to be 'mean', but they have to be insistent and make sure dangerous behavior is corrected immediately.
Hes good at showing owners how to be more assertive so, if needed, they can make the correction necessary with assertion and confidence 👍
@@ltningstrike When I was 8 years old (long time ago) my Mom delivered the sad news that a little girl who I knew well and played with, 6 yrs. old, got kicked in the head by a horse and killed outright. To this day, I still don't know the story of what exactly occurred.
Keep in mind that he and his horse rehearsed this story line from the beginning so as to show the change of attitude to the viewer. And that is what is most amazing about the video.
Your comment confuses me. There is no rehearsal prior to Tim’s videos. Don’t think that’s even possible. This is real-life training…No rehearsal, no script, and no do-overs. It just doesn’t work that way when actually training horses.
Of course. That was a tongue in cheek comment. As intelligent as a horse is, they haven't yet gotten to the stage I was suggesting.
Gotcha! My blonde runs deep, and I’ll be the first to admit that some tongue in cheek comments go right over my head🤦♀️🤷♀️. Thanks for clarifying!!
When my horse had her foal she wouldnt let us ride her anymore...had my vet check her and he said from pushing so hard during labor she put her body out of alignment..Had our local chiropractor adjust her and after a few weeks she was back to normal
You're exactly right. People who are to soft to be a little tough on their horse...aren't doing them any favors. And yes they get worse and worse and end up at auction selling to meat buyers, so please help them by NOT being too soft and letting them get away with bad behavior ❤
Is this the dam of the smaller black gelding you have in for training? You mentioned his dam was a Haflinger and the owners bought her not knowing she was bred. Sometimes you have to be firm to get the point across. Doesn't mean it is abusive. I think her improvement shows you did just what you should have.
Yes she is Ace's mom.
This was a little rough to watch, but at the same time, as you explained your rationale, and as you calmly gave consequences for behavior, it was amazing to see her when everything clicked. I'm really kind of stunned that the prior owner didn't disclose the pregnancy.
The owners have given this mare the opportunity to educate her by sending her to you Tim. Thank goodness as she could otherwise at an auction or kill pen.
I respect your work. I am lazy. Once I step on the block I don,t move my feet. They have to work back and forth until they side up. I use a lead rope or dressage whip to show them where to be., My horses all side up 100% of the time.
Just speculation here but when she had her foal she probably became very protective towards it and learnt to disrespect the owners during that period- who may not have been aware of protective mare behaviour when they wanted to pet the surprise foal.
No not it.
What became of the foal?
Did have the foal make her aggressive?
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Dominant mares will be always dominant.
I have a dominant mustang mare.
Me watching her on how she gets pushy with another horse taught me a lot. She does everything with determination.
And this is how I treat my mare. I mean it when I ask for something. Not in an aggressive way but with full confidence.
I had to learn to always be on spot.
Btw I love my mare. She is very intelligent, a fast learner, and always eager to do anything with me.
You are right, dominant mare will always be dominant. The other side of that is a dominant mare will also give you everything they have if they respect your leadership.
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I used to know a Dutch trainer told me that haflingers were really hard Headed horses in general.
Didnt take much for her to listen and behave better
What is ear plaque?
When I was editing the video I realized I should have talked about that. I will in a future video.
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What happened to her foal?
Her foal was Ace. I just started him riding and sent him home. He has his own videos.
Sorry about the miss spelling of the word hard headed
I'd actually love to have a horse of her breed only in a gelding..I'd take one like her over a flighty jumpy horse any day..I can fix one like her, but I can't ride the jumpy spooky ones very well any more..I'm a little long in the tooth now a days lol
This situation makes me think of two different theories about her not paying attention and not standing still for mounting. Would moving her feet by doing circles and changes of direction, essentially making her work, amd only stopping the pressure when she was close to mounting block work for her? Would this work create the desire in her to find the spot where you wouldnt make her work, the mounting block? Also, i think nagging this horse wont work either. She is tough minded girl and needs the ask, tell, promise approach so she knows the consequences of not trying to do what is asked of her. She needs to understand boundaries to be safer for novice people, like me and my loved ones. Thank you for explaining your approach and i think you are a very fair trainer.
I could have done the moving her feet like you've seen me do before. I didn't think that was a good way to approach it in her case because she seems very likely to be the kind of horse that once that is started she will always have to be lunged before riding. She is very pushy on the ground and I thought the better way to fix this that would carry over to starting to correct other ground problems was to take away her upper hand which is her pushing forward. Her breed being a haflinger was a big consideration in my decision. An arabian I would have used a different technique.
Thank you Tim for explaining. I am learning lots from you and the different horses you work with.😊
As a trainer you should remember that respect is a two way street you cannot expect it unless you give it
Riders r lazy. Not wanting to fully follow through! U r doing a great job!
I've got one like her..gelding..been running over people all his life - he would drag me off if he could - he will plow through you and will try to jerk the reins out of my hands so he can go where HE wants to go which is back to the barn - he will walk at a snails pace to go out away from the house/barn but almost does a running walk the minute you point back towards home/barn - he can't get away with it with me but I've started ground work to get him softer - had to be pretty hard with the back up cuz he just doesn't want to doesn't "feel" like it I'm okay with hey, I don't understand but hey let me drag you around and walk all over you is not acceptable.
Barn yard or Bone yard ! Your choice?🇨🇦😂
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We as humans have huge brains and opposable thumbs. Surely we can come up with non violent teaching strategies.
When you yank on the bit, doesn’t this cause quite a bit of pain/bleeding?
He's not yanking that hard. He warned that he's being hard on this horse, for a reason: Administration of discipline, in measure, is a difficult skill to master, and can backfire badly when you lose your temper. Knowing where that threshold is, between correction and abuse is the hardest part about learning how to train and deal with "difficult" horses. Some horses are only "safe" in highly-capable hands, and even then "safe" is relative...
I guess it all comes down to trust. Cupcake has had quite a bit of trauma in her short life. The fact that she changed hands without a thorough health check makes you wonder about the quality of the care that she received. Trust needs to be earned, and it takes time!
Is this Ace’s mama?
Yes
@@timandersonhorsetraining she’s quite a smart lady. I’m sure she’ll be back on track soon
Stupid owners who made her this way is why horses end up in the kill pen
Don’t show it then
Interesting that things changed when she had baby. Wonder if she was very possessive with foal. Owners may have become intimidated and let her get by with things because of baby.
No having the baby is not what triggered the change. Learning she could push around her owners is what triggered the change. Having the baby is why the owners became soft to her pushyness which caused the cycle.
Did the best that they could ??? except get a pre-purchase exam by a vet… sorry being a first time horse owner, that is stupid as fck not to do
That would not have accomplished anything.
Oimproperly disciplining a horse even at what you think is the right time is abuse
Horrible to watch. She is in pain and trying to protect herself. Its not the animals falt that people are ignorant. Causing pain is not necessary in training. Pressure, yes, but not pain. It takes patience.
I normally like your content, but this was hard to watch. Not because of you, but because of ignorant horse buyers that make the horse this way and they are the ones that pay the price. I guess I can say I'm happy they're getting help now, but had they gotten it in the first place and gotten a suitable horse, lessons, before the horse, then this horse wouldn't be in this state.
People don't know what they don't know. In the end the owners absolutely did the right thing. And they were treated badly by the knowledgeable horseman that secretly sold them a pregnant mare.
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Nicely said.
Why are you doing it to a lame horse? She is not resting her left leg. She is protecting because it probably hurts.
I covered that in her last video and this video. Yes it hurts but it's not stopping her from trying to hurt people. How do you expect anyone to help her when she is trying to kill them. Use come common sense.
This horse is in pain
What do you see?
Yes she is. I told you what it was in her last video.
Disgusting behavior from the so called horsetrainer 😡
Come on just looking away is not disrespect she standing quietly and waiting for you shes bracing when she opens her mouth because she knows you are going to yank on her mouth
Never deleted a single comment of yours. I allow wrong comments too.
You should work on reading horse better. Listen to what the horse says not what you want to hear.
It is either have her behaviour challenged and corrected now then send her home. Or end up, being bought by the Doggers at the sale yards.
Yes. I also explained the different situation and why. Every horse is different with different problems and different personalities that require correcting issues differently. Until you can read a horse and adapt correctly to the horse your horsemanship will stagnate.
You don’t need to yank on the mouth . I disagree with this intimidation
Good. Those beliefs keep me in business fixing the problems they cause.
Yanking on this horse’s mouth is abuse, and unworthy of you, Tim.
Big bully u are trainer she has a lame leg.
Yep!
So you are training with free not respect
Fear.
That bit looks like an instrument of torture to me. Her mouth must be very sore. Is having to wear it part of her punishment? Poor cupcake!
I’m disappointed in you, Tim. Will not be watching you any more.
You know that I work different horses according to their needs. If you can't see that this is what she needs then you probably should leave.