One time i talked about how mr satán( ye that Hercule name in me country) Will be tecnically a top tier figthet on animes Like baki . Even how postrayed as a weakling
@Wou He is pulling 488,400. That is the weight of multiple buildings. Tell me a single B or even most of A class that can lift a couple buildings on their back.
I think Mr Satan would be in S class, he's actually ridiculously strong if you compare him to some of the characters in OPM. He only seems weak compared to the Z fighters because they're really overpowered compared to him. Mr Satan also has a very high luck stat, much like King. Maybe not on par with Kings luck, but still very high. So that would also help him a lot against stronger opponents, even if just for survival purposes. So Mr Satan would basically be King, but if he was a strong fighter and still have very good luck.
The Saiyans’ inability to detect any ki from King would prompt them to depart the planet in fear before their pods collide in low orbit, resulting in their instant deaths.
If the pods collide in orbit it wouldn’t do anything as they would just fly down to earth, they can still survive in the vacuum of space for a short period of time while holding their breath
They can't sense power at this point though. What would likely happen, is that the scouter would explode when they tried to scan him, and then they would flee.
Before watching, my guess: -Tatsumaki would survive but may not have the strength to kill Vegeta -Blast would kill them both, probably with little effort -King would obviously survive and terrify them both into leaving the planet
After watching: I think you were pretty spot on, but I'm disappointed you forgot about the GOAT, King. I can just imagine Nappa getting ready to rush in and smash King, but King doesn't even flinch, triggering Vegeta to have that "Watch out Nappa!" moment which causing Nappa to stop short of striking him. That is when Vegeta would have the power level reading moment and say that his power level must be too high for the scouter to read and that they should leave before they die.
@@Omega_Ultima King's intimidation works mostly because of his reputation. For Nappa and Vegeta he's just a random dude, so it'll be the same scenario as Cell vs Hercule
@@Professor_Fiction in your own opinion, do you see the saiyans lasting long enough to perfect copy blast hyperspace?? Since vegeta is a saiyan elite and goku is a low born. He should have more potential and hence be more versatile in copying techniques. Or do you think because it is vastly different, it would be impossible for them to be able to copy it in time for blast to send them away Goku being able to(not perfect copy but still) the hakai technique
Agreed, S class die, but then Blast solos. Tatsumaki is the only other one who might be able to do something. The saiyans at this point can't handle 100x gravity and Psykos applied 300x gravity to Tatsumaki which did nothing to her, so she could definitely apply more than that.
Gravity must work differently in dbz like power level.Because 10 x gravity literally crushing concrete and steel in boo saga by pui.Even though 10 times is not enough to do this kind of insane stuff.
Until you realize that the one that self destructed on Yamcha barely did any damage at all to the ground around it. In other words, power levels are bull shit.
Fun fact: Master Roshi destroyed the moon with his Kamehameha and his power level was probably less than 200..showing that it wouldn’t even take Piccolo strength to do it. He was in his muscular form which was never measured but Roshi in his regular form was 139.
Creo que los ataques de ki tienen la potencia de destruir planetas, pero la durabilidad y fuerza meh, dudo bastante Goku blue pueda destruir un planeta solo con 1 puño, sin energía detrás, ya ui es otra cosa
I wonder if Roshi's muscular form actually impacted his ki attacks, now that I think about it. I don't think it would, as ki isn't really related to your physical mass.
It was always so strange to find as I looked more into this subculture that the saiyan saga villains served as an almost universal benchmark when it came to comparison. Speaking to both how legendary Dragon Ball and Z are as well, just how absurdly powerful these individuals get. When Vegeta at his very lowest, we had seen him in the manga or show beyond flashbacks, of course. Can still viably eradicate most other characters.
This may surprise you, but DBZ scaling is utter nonsense. As soon as Vegeta could blow up planets in his first appearance and got ultra-nerfed when he joined the party, power scaling was dead. Frieza took it to insane levels, and then Golden Frieza made it dumber, and now I hear there's a Black Frieza or something. Jesus christ.
@@ieatvirgins well somewhat it jsut gets harder to scale speed tbh cause speed increases as you get stronger but power wise and power output is somewhat conseistant
@@coolchrisable Why are you talking about this like you have any sort of scientific basis to discuss this topic? This is part of why power scaling discussions are stupid. There is no magical "power output formula".
Flashy Flash is probably one of the ones that can stand a chance due to him being able to keep up with Garou and Platinium Sperm, but in terms of AP he doesn’t match them
@@mr.mcklockwork3828it's better, its original form is Black Sperm, made up of 38 trillion clones each being comparable to a regular humans, which can all unite to Make Golden Sperm and then solidify to make Platinum Sperm 😂
Power scaling in dragon ball is WEIRD! If you just go by feats performed + who can overpower who, you have: Roshi destroys the moon with a single blast -> Gets completely owned by a non-rejuvenated King Piccolo -> Rejuvenated King Piccolo gets stomach blasted out by a HEAD BUTT from kid Goku -> kid Goku gets 3 YEARS of dedicated training afterwards from Kami/Popo to fight Piccolo -> 5-10 years later his attacks do nothing to Raditz's prepared defense -> about 10 months of training on King Kai's planet where he went from barely able to take a step, to running around like it was normal in the first day or two -> needs to multiply his power four? fold to take a full blast from normal form Vegeta Each of those steps also involve getting so much faster that the previous step can barely/can't even see them move. If we take the maximum speed a human can see to be half the speed of a slow bullet (probably actually quite a lot faster for something human sized, but using it as a lower limit.) Or 300 MPH (for larger objects it should be a LOT higher but again, lower limit...) That means we can see things moving about 10 times the maximum speed we could possible run at. So if each step is multiplying speed at least 10 times, that is a 1,000,000 times increase MINIMUM in speed, which would take you from a normal non-athlete sprint, to about 10% the speed of light. Given how fast Goku could move when he met BULMA, that multiplier gets him to WAY over the speed of light. Heck, just looking at Master Roshi's moon destroying blast, it took at MOST 5 seconds to reach the moon, or 50,000 miles per second. And the Kamehameha has been dodged/deflected several times at that level. So taking THAT as the base, 1,000,000 x 50,000 mps = 50 BILLION Miles per Second, or about 260,000 times the speed of light. To be more specific, testing has shown that a human should be able to notice movement occurring when a soccer ball sized object is moving at over 30,000 MPH from 70 feet away, which would put the multiplier at closer to 1000 times faster per step, or 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 faster total, or 260 QUADRILLION times the speed of light. Or a bit under 2 seconds to cross the universe. Again, Power scaling in DB is WEIRD, because multiple occurrences also suggest they are nowhere NEAR that fast, so evidence shows both a high multiple of light speed movement during fights, and also an inability to react/move anywhere NEAR lightspeed at other times.
You're overthinking it. Power levels don't increase normally in terms of feats. Master roshi only blew up the moon after powering it up. It was only piccolo who blew it up casually. Rely on feats and scaling. Keep in mind characters like to hold back or have 2nd forms. Dragon ball is not hard to understand. Only if you try to apply tard vsbattles logic to it does everything become ominversal or whatever. Oh yeah, statements are not always true. Villains can lie
This is one of the best analysis videos I've seen in a long time. People really underestimate the threat posed by the Saiyans, who could wipe out cities with a gesture.
This video sucks, it completely just shutdowns any argument with saying “well their moves are poison based so like is it moon leve?!?! No so it can’t work”
@@TearsOfThem Not really, we don't know if those poisons can even hurt Saiyans. Remember how Kid Goku survived drinking the Ultra Divine Water? It's a poisonous drink made from magic.
@@TearsOfThem There is no reason to believe their poison could even tickle the Saiyans when Goku could simply tank legendary poisons. When he was a kid. At an insignificant fraction of the Saiyan's power. It can't work simply because it doesn't make sense to believe otherwise.
@@dantemeriere5890 Same Goku died of a virus before time travel got involved, and that was after becoming millions of times stronger than he was as a child. Biological weapons can definitely bring saiyans down.
Good video overall however you didn't discuss vegeta's great ape form against blast which you pointed out was 10x stronger than his base. When goku fought great ape vegeta he was shocked that vegeta was actually pretty fast despite his huge body. Would've liked to see you explain if this changed the outcome or not.
I think at best, it would make Vegeta a bigger target.. Like blast would have to make a bigger portal and send him off. At least non-ape vegeta has the smaller stature to hopefully dodge as much hyperspace gates as he could before he's eventually knicked by one. I'd be gruesome if Blast made a gate at ape vegetas hands and Teleport cut them (kinda like in infinity war Tony vs the big guy). Or even worse, cut the tail.
@@elcato8126 In the video he explains he's using a low balled blast that's at least 4 times ftl so great ape vegeta would be at least 10x ftl when they fought meaning he could avoid the hyper space gates.
@@darktigersharkmax4432 Vegeta is 10× stronger in Ape form not faster. He's actually slightly slower than his base (although still very impressively fast for his size)
One Punch Man's power scaling is significantly more consistent compared to Dragon Ball Z. This makes it more enjoyable to engage in discussions about power levels, as it is easier to reach logical conclusions.
True, as iconic as DBZ is, the power levels are completely stupid. No power scaling in manga is 100% accurate, and it shouldn't be (then there's nothing to discuss), but at least in OPM I haven't seen some low level character doing crazy things because it looks cool.
Yup, telling if an OPM character is S-Class or A, B, C-Class is pretty easy. Guys like Garou, Sonic, and Suiryu might not be heroes, but they're definitely S-Class material. You can even figure out how high up they are in the S-Class rankings.
This is a good take. Given the right circumstances and team work I agree the S class heroes could defeat Nappa. But Vegeta is too much for them. Chi is a weapon and defense. If enough Chi is lowered their defense goes down but I don’t think any of the S class have the fire power to overpower Vegeta defenses. Nor can they tire him out. They’ll be exhausted before he ever does. I really liked your point on 8:40. At this point in the story, Vegeta would not be accustomed to gravity training. He didn’t start until after the frieza saga when he got a dozen zenkai boost and almost died. So,anything stronger than his planet (10x earth gravity) could definitely overpower him long enough to land a critical blow. Playing devils advocate, let’s pretend you don’t need to be SS3 level to break out of dimensions with your screams like Super Buu did. Vegeta doesn’t know this technique. If Gotrunks was alone he’d have never escaped the hyperbolic time chamber. Chi can be as versatile as you want which is why Nappa can do eye and mouth beams. Saiyan Saga Vegeta is not versatile enough. The moment he’s launched into another dimension, fights over. He can’t counter that.
One way tatsumaki can win is with gravity attacks. She handled 300 times gravity was nothing to her but early dragon ball characters couldn’t really handle 100 times gravity.
Tasumaki gravity at that time fighting over psychos was calculated to be 300 times stronger and there's a scene in DBZ where Goku is heading slowly heading towards Namek he specifically said "I'm glad I can finally Keep up with 100 gravity" in the gravity Room and when Goku actually landed on Namek he was absolutely destroying nappa and the other Frieza soldiers. Even going as far as standing on top of nappa's head That was such a bada** moment from Goku but yea my point still stands there's absolutely no way post Namek saiyan's saga Is capable of competing with Tasumaki incredible telekinesis strength
Vegeta literally considered earth to be a baby planet. So a power level of 10,000 could be large planetary or even more, and Vegeta thought if Nappa was smart, he could beat goku with a power level of 8k (and he also knew he could double it to 16k.) Nappa could be large planetary and might be able to solo the s class (if Vegeta was correct and he was smart) Edit: A power level of 10k was confirmed to be able to destroy a planet in guide books.
@@dangerousdays2052 Nappa's powerlevel was 4k against the Z warriors, where he wasn't serious, but against Goku he went full power and become 8k, base Goku said that the battle between them would take forever because they're pretty even, so he used the Kaioken.
@@dangerousdays2052 it's a rage boost, just like how Vegeta with a power level of 18000 was clashing evenly with Goku’s Kaioken x3 kamehameha with a power level of 24000, only when Goku went x4 he overwhelmed Vegeta
Raditz solos all the Heroes, and Raditz solos all Narutard/Narudo characters. It's that simple. He would destroy Saitama as well. Saitama is a joke, gag character. Based on his training, he is weaker than Kid Kakarot and Master Roshi. Anyone who grew up with Dragon Ball in the 1990s up until 2005 knows this fact. Stop comparing all of these fake anime characters against Dragon Ball characters. It's literally impossible for most other anime characters to even harm or tag some of the weakest characters in DBZ.
@@bikotheanimator6169 Saitama is immortal bro. He farts and moves faster than light. There are so many anime that have stronger characters out there. In dbz all they ever do is power up and hit each other, there are no special abilities or anything, aside from a few exceptions. Yes goku and vegeta vastly outclass anime like one piece, naruto etc but thats the point. Original dragonball was supposed to be a parody anime making fun of tropes, but I guess you don't remember because you are a child who only knows dbz.
@@MementoMoriGrizzly ...fucking what? No it wasn't. How could it parody tropes that IT ITSELF MADE at that time? Dragon Ball isn't a parody, it was the original. It is what brought shonen to the forefront, and to this day all shonen pull at least a little bit from it. You can't parody a trope that isn't established, only establish it.
@@markmontes17 she lacks speed, and if we are in character tatsumaki just summons a meteor or something to destroy Nappa after that Nappa will just speed blitz her. Or even if she killed Nappa then Vegeta whoops her.
I just wanted to say about the "Vegeta could destroy a planet with a finger during the Saiyan Saga" comment, that was completely non-canon and doesn't mean Vegeta at that point could destroy a whole planet with just a finger, he probably could with an actual blast but pretty sure not as easily as just pointing at it lol
Nappa yes Vegeta no. Goku couldnt handel it in his base on the way to namek but in kaioken he most likely could so vegeta would very likely be able to overcome it or at the very least not get one shot
@@max21567 bro, gyoro-gyoro who was a lot weaker than tats was able to generate 300 time gravity towards her, guess what? tats casually tanks it, no, she considers it as a good massage. yeah, tats can easily generate at least 9,000x gravity at her full power. vegeta and the rest of the fighter during saiyan saga is getting squashed.
@@nameisname5566 sure I guess if she can actually do 9000 times gravity he would die IF he got hit by hit but he would because he’d probably blitz unless he was off guard
King would absolutely obliterate both of them by enabling some kind of incredibly contrived opening for Tatsumaki. He’s a literal god tier support type.
Between Blast and Tatsumaki, I honestly don't think they'd last very long. Remove those outliers, and the Saiyans wouldn't even remember killing them, it'd happen so fast.
The one in the saiyan saga who did the most damage to Vegeta was Yajirobi, a fat, useless, normal human with a sword; all because Vegeta got distracted multiple times. I somehow doubt vegeta could stand up to so many distractions that can move as fast as light; especially with so many of them fighting with cunning more than strength.
@@Noplayster13Yajirobe isn't a "normal" human and he never has been. He was roughly as strong as Goku when he was introduced in Dragon Ball (they fought). He was a little weaker than Raditz when he cut off Vegeta's tail...just fyi.
@@Darkshadowdj That seems dubious that Yajirobi could ever stand up to Raditz, but let’s just assume that he could. The point still stands that flashy flash or sonic would have little trouble with Vegeta if someone weaker than Raditz was able to catch him off guard and injure him multiple times.
@@Noplayster13 There's a reason that Yajirobe went for Vegeta's tail instead of trying to kill him - he couldn't if he tried. Yajirobe has much higher attack power than Flashy Flash and Sonic - I don't think they could do any meaningful damage. Vegeta survived Goku's x4 Kamehameha (planet busting power) and a spirit bomb (off guard) - both were direct hits... Also, after taking both of the above mentioned attacks - Vegeta (heavily damaged) got slashed in the back (off guard) by Yajirobe at full strength.
As powerful as the Saiyans are, i can't shake the feeling that the S-Class heroes were being low-balled in the analysis. While i agree with nearly all of the points made, as even Raditz would be able to tank all their energy attacks using Ki shielding and the Saiyans are overall more durable and powerful, however the crux of the Saiyans power is their Ki blasts - I personally think this and two other factors that were not mentioned provides the S-Class heroes with a major advantage, IF they agreed to work together and strategically fight at full power. One of the factors is the double edge of Saiyan's love of battle. I admit this is highlighted in their theoretical introduction of erasing City A, but it also goes further than that. Instead of simply blasting every hero in their sight, nuking the planet, they would If Tatsumaki focused on fighting defensively at full power from the start, she would be able to paralyze Nappa and even Vegeta temporarily, allowing heroes like Bang and Flashy Flash to target the Saiyans vitals
The S class heroes working together is not realistic lmao , Tatsumaki would surely try to take them on by herself , while the others might work together as they did when Boros invaded the earth
i keep forgetting the manga kept on after i caught up and forgot about OPM a few years back. kinda upset at myself for spoiling the manga lol good video!
Most the S-Class would range in the 200 to 800 power level range. Exceptions would be Genos at above 1000, Bang at about 1000, and Darkshine Alloy being close to 1000. They would all fight the Saibamen and win with half casualties. Tatsumaki would probably be at about 6000 powerlevel, and with her overwhelming power, she would crush Nappa. At this point, Vegeta would wipe the rest of the S Class, and then Blast would appear just as he would go deal the final blow to Tatsumaki. It'd all come down to Blast vs Vegeta at this point. And considering that Meteoric Burst Boros scales to Vegeta and that Blast has the boosted powers of other individuals like Boros, I would say Blast would win. Especially if he portals Vegeta into deep space.
im not very well versed with the powers of OPM characters, but I saw another comment mention how Tatsumaki can increase the gravity of an object by a couple hundred times over, so if she could do that (emphesis on the IF lol) then id say its safe to assume shed be able to take on Vegeta and Nappa with ease.
welp, master roshi was able to destroy whole moon with powerlevel of 189. and saibamens is lie 1200 or even above. non of s class can destroy moon, that means saibamen solos every S class hero(Except blast of course)
@алексей доколь Yeah, I somehow kind of forgot about that... During the tournament vs Kid Goku, his base Power Level was probably more like 120. Using Max Power, he was at 180, and using the original Kamehameha would multiply his power Output to above 500. So yeah, most the S Class really would just be at one to two hundred power level tops.
The f- None of those numbers make any sense. The entire power level system was a complete fluke and the best we know about Vegeta was that at 18,000 he could blow up a planet, meaning multicontinental has to be between 4000 and 18,000... Oh, wait, it's 4000 So you're telling me that you need 4.5 times more power to destroy a planet than to destroy a bunch of continents? That makes no sense because 4.5 times multi continental is still multi continental Oh, but it can be exponential! Nope, theath doesn't check out anyway. Also, being that nappa is MCtal in 4000, and both Genos and tatsumaki are both large moon to small planet level, then they should be around 14,000 (I'm making the number up based on what we know about Vegeta) So, no, nappa gets folded into a paper crane, and Vegeta gets 4v1ned to death since blast and muscle man compare to Genos in AP (blast far surpasses that since he was able to redirect an attack that wiped out stars)
In order to use ui you must have- 1. God ki 2. Enlightenment/Calm Mind 3. Leave the work to your body Otherwise same thing gonna happened as it was for moro
Funnily enough, there are a few things that were skipped: 1) Atomic Samurai's slash can literally cut the space between atoms, which is WAY sharper than Krillin's spirit cutter (that did, if I can point that out, slice Nappa's cheek). If he gets into melee distance with the Saiyans he's going to remove some limbs. 2) Metal Knight has the advantage of numbers - he is just one of MILLIONS of robots created by dr. Bofoi. 3) Tatsumaki isn't a brawler - she's a telekinetic. She won't punch or hit, she will GRAB -which will remove the advantage of speed from the two Saiyan, at least for enough time to let the true heavy hitters reach them (see point 1). 4) If the S-class heroes decide to stop acting like brawlers and use their brains for once, they can't lose - if there is ONE thing that all the characters in Dragonball have in common is that they're brawlers: if something isn't hurt by a punch, their solution is always "punch harder". For example, Saiyans can't fly (at least not at their first arrival) and they can't breathe in space: if Tatsumaki tosses Vegeta and Nappa out of the atmosphere, it's game over. Same deal if Child Emperor uses a machine that fills the area with, say, toxic gas while Metal Knight, Drive Knight and Genos (that don't need to breathe) keep them busy; a person moving fast needs to breathe just as fast, which means that the Saiyan would keel over quite soon. As for the saibaimen... well, the solution is easy: Pig God. They're plants, they've just sprouted, he'll eat them. Spiciest salad around, but nothing that his terrifying stomach can't handle. 5) Similar to point 4, a Saiyan generally doesn't even understand the concept of teamwork. The S heroes can, in fact, cover for each other's weak points just fine, but the thought will not occur to Vegeta and Nappa until it's too late (as a matter of fact, the first thing Vegeta did when Nappa got heavily wounded was KILL HIM).
The Z fighters vs Boros is a really simple answer. Boros's most powerful attack is planetary, which requires 100% of all his energy. However, the Z Fighters, in unison, are far beyond moon levels of strength. So I think Piccolo and Tien, Krillin too would just jump the hell out of him. (Also if it's anything past the saiyan saga then it's incredibly one sided, Krillin would solo.
Krillin was nearly killed in a police shootout in super. Saying he could ever solo OPMverse in any capacity is a hilarious overstatement. Yall forget there is a ridiculous gap between ki blasts and physical stats in Dragon Ball. The same Vegeta who supposedly can blast away entire planets since he was first introduced to DB, can not lift 10 000 tons in Super, even though he can spar with the likes of Beerus at that point. If he tried to arm wrestle Bang or even Darkshine, they would rip his arm out of the socket lmao. There are many S class who can physically overpower or just one shot Vegeta just as he can one shot them with his energy blasts. Some like Bang, Flash and Kamikaze can blitz him too. Vegeta dies to fodders, no need for Tatsumaki or Blast.
@@mitromney "Krillin was nearly killed in a police shootout in super" Any attack, no matter how weak, can injure someone in DB if their guard is down. That's why Krillin was able to hit Goku with a rock during the Cell Sage and hurt him. It's also why Goku was able to be seriously wounded by a simple laser gun during his second fight with Frieza. Ki is like a personal shield, and if it's down the fighter is vulnerable regardless of how great their full power may be. This stuff was established in the OG Dragon Ball, and there are several examples of it in Z and Super. How did you manage to misunderstand/miss *_all_ * of it? They're not difficult shows to follow.
4:21 This is lower than low-balling it, it's rolling the ball across the floor since Goku dodged lightning as a kid and has done much training since then...
No need for Blast, Tatsumaki turns them into dog fodder. And, no they can't kill her with their energy blasts either. People already forget she was hit in the face with Psykos's God Blast that nearly chopped a planet in half, while she wasn't even focused on the fight, and all that happened is that she lost a shoe.
Tatsumaki puts up a slight fight at best, they'd need Blast because he was comparable to Cosmic Garou (at that point he was too much for all the other S class heroes and easily planetary threat) this was before he got even stronger while fighting Saitama.
Remember that Snake way(1 million km length was legend, not fact) in the afterlife which stretches across a quadrant of the universe. Each Kai rules 1 quadrant of the universe, that's 47B light years from Earth to the edge, 1K PL Goku traveled in 5.8 months="177 days" that's Lux(Mach for light speed) 7.9 quadrillion, the return took 2 days at Lux 700 Qd(keep in mind he was holding back to waist energy).
Prediction: Blast stomps, but weirdly the rest of the S-class are pretty useless here. Most of the S-class cap at continental at best, some have good speed feats tho Saiyan saga vegeta is at large planet level (using el manga legendario 10k required for planet, earth is considered small) So saiyans crush s-class, if you remove Vegeta and King vegeta, there's a solid argument for it being pretty close, Tastumaki has some pretty high scaling. Then there's blaast who scales to double-gamma ray burst garou, I think he actually 1 shots the entire group. Freeza is a better match up for blast honestly. edit: ah just vegeta, nappa etc.
Before watching this video, I’m just going to say that Tatsumaki can absolutely body the Saiyans and King is basically a more humble Mr. Satan in this universe, so obviously, he’s going to pull it off in the most stupidly lucky, yet beautiful, way possible. Everyone else is more or less going to more or less struggle to keep up.
Tatsumaki is the only one that can actually put a fight and win at this level of power. She can pinpoint precise spots in a body and we know she doesn't care a lot about earth when fighting and she tends to use cataclysmic ending attacks on strong opponent. Blast ofc at this level would nuke vegita and nappa.
I haven't watched the video yet, but couldn't Tatsumaki just increase the gravity? I know lifting strength is something DB characters actually struggle with.
I’m pretty sure the z fighyers could beat boros, but it would be close due to his regeneration. I think it’d be interesting to see all the forms of Garou vs the z fighters, what stage would he need to be at to beat them? Obviously cosmic fear garou would destroy them but could the other versions match?
Pretty sure Krillin could solo Boros. Seeing as how Boros was killed by his own move which was similar to a Kamehameha Wave. And he can just throw those out willy nilly. Garou would need to be stopped by a super saiyan minimum.
@@mr.mcklockwork3828 The Kienzan was deadly to people many times his power level who would shake off his regular Kamehameha Wave. Anyone not able to dodge that single attack isn't even in the conversation for competing with even the early Saiyans of the series.
Characters were massively nerfed at the beginning of Dragonball Z. In the original Dragonball, Muten Roshi blew up the moon just about as fast as Piccolo with a Kamehameha to transform kid Goku back from being a great ape. On top of that, there is a scene where withing the blink of a second a whole fight exchange happens beween Kuririn and Roshi. They both performed at what would have been FTL speeds. If you take that kind of power scaling, Blast would have at least a slight difficulty in dealing with them :D On the other hand both Roshi and Kuririn have fine tuned the physical abilities they have after breaking the human barrier. Vegeta and Nappa probably never optimised their fighting because they could just strife for more power. Maybe they are significantly stronger than the humans but with much less refined feats.
I'd just like to make a slight correction to Vegeta's AP, due to you using anime feats as seen with Vegeta blowing up Arlia, it's important to note that Vegeta scales above his father, King Vegeta, who blew up three planets with one casual attack while possessing a power level of 10,000. So Vegeta would possibly scale to a similar AP as Garou's Jupiter destroying feat. Everything else was done superbly, you really did a great job so I have nothing to add.
Child Emperor made a "scouter" that went up to 9999 (but only counted for raw power); A normal person is around 30~40 with this device (he measured a normal girl); The scouter measured a normal person to have 5 power level. So, we just have to say: Scouter 5 points = 35 points in OPM device So, we applying the rule of three to discover how much Raditz max. raw power measures in OPM universe, we know he measures 1200 by the scouter (and he can't pass 1200 in the manga, since he is always impressed by the power fluctuation of Goku, Piccolo and Gohan). Then we have: 5 ----- 35 1200 ----- x 42000 = 5x x = 42000 / 5 x = 8400 Raditz would measure in 8400 in Child's Emperor device, he can't even reach the limit of 9999. At that same time they fought a monster who measured 8000 if I am not mistaken. I believe this monster could be easily defeated by any S class hero since some A class heroes were already fighting it. Which means Raditz is actually not a treath, maybe he is to Puri Puri prisoner. That group of A class heroes who fought Garou could take Raditz, since some A class heroes were measured between 1.000 and 2.000 by Child Emperor's device. Nappa measures 4.000 by the scouter. It gives 28.000 by Child Emperor's device. Vegeta measures 18.000 by the scouter. Giving 126.000 by Child Emperor's device. Child's Emperor device is still flawed since it only measures raw strengh... but by these numbers and by the difference of power we can observe, I assume the S class heroes CAN beat Nappa. The difference of some A class heroes who were ranked 2.000 points to the likes of Flashy Flash, Atomic Samurai and Superalloy Darkshine are beyound insane. The device wouldn't do Atomic Samurai and Flashy Flash justice, but it would for certain rank Superalloy Darkshine way way way above the 10.000 mark... or anyone can see that 8.000 monster giving Darkshine a scratch? Since we WERE presented with those exact numbers in both mangas (Dragon Ball Z and One Punch Man), there is no way a Saibaman can hurt Superalloy Darkshine. Darkshine can pretty much easily solo all Saibaman. After these numbers I strongly believe the S class heroes would advance to fight Vegeta without any major loss (maybe Puri Puri Prisoner, Metal Bat mand Tank Top Master if they interfere with Superalloy Darkshine, Flashy Flash, Bang and Atomic Samurai's battle with Nappa). With the help of Blast against vegeta it is just a win for the heroes.
You made two mistakes here. First one is: the regular dragonball person with a powelevel of 5 was a fully grown man, that worked as a farmer. And an average male farmer is ca twice as strong as an average city girl. Therefore you should also Raditzs opm powerlevel should also be ca twice as high. Second one: the scouter only messures the ki level of a person and that farmer had ki, but was not able to use his ki. And there is a huge powerdifference between a person that can use it and a person that cant. For example Piccolo, who can use his ki and had a powerlevel somewhere between 300 and 1500 was able to blow up the entire moon. 300 Framer however arent even close to being able to destroy the moon.
My biggest issue is Yajirobe slicing Vegeta twice, his tail and then his back through the armor. If he can do that with a random katana (sorry, dont know/remember if if his sword is special or not) then Atomic Samurai could do the same, since the sword didnt break.
We don’t know anything about the sword Yajirobe uses but it wouldn’t matter ultimately. Yajirobe has a power level above Goku’s Super Kamehameha which can shatter the moon it’s way above anything any S-Class but Tatsumaki could do
@@Professor_Fiction personally, I don’t see his strength being relevant, not too mention he was just wildly swinging, because IF his sword is just a sword then the swordmaster is going to sashimi them as Atomic is miles above Yajirobe in technique. All the strength in the world isn’t going to make a regular katana cut through a tree without breaking. All that aside, their armor sucks. Lol
You ok bro? In DBZ a Pl of 10k is required to destroy a planet. And king Vegeta with 13k pl Destroyed 3 exo planets with ease and Vegeta has pl of 18k. Blast is arguably planatery, he has no multi planet feat as of now. Saiyan saga Vegeta bullies s class heroes
@@tobiassangma2345 Blast is Star to Solar System buddy. Boros alone is planetary and Blast negs Boros. Also Blast reacted to current Saitama in rage mode, which makes him faster than Season 1 Saitama
Possible scenario: Raditz arrives to “scout” the planet for possible conquest. He comes into contact with the HA as they classify him initially as a Demon level threat and he fights against some A and B Class heroes along the way, no-diffing them. Eventually, some S Class Heroes get involved, probably PP Prisoner, Genos, Metal Bat, TT Master, and maybe Child Emperor and Bang, who ultimately manage to “out smart” Raditz and secure a victory with his defeat. They then have about a year to prep before Nappa and Vegeta arrives where Child Emperor, Drive Knight, Genos, and Metal Knight make preparations and upgrades, etc. etc. etc. When Nappa and Vegeta arrived, Nappa goes on a rampage and the HA instantly declares them a Dragon level threat. The S-Class heroes immediately intervene and Metal Knight and Child Emperors preparations are activated. This prompts Nappa to unleash the Saitaman who begin piecing the heroes apart, tho I can see a scenario where individuals like Flashy Flash, Genos, Bang, Atomic Samurai and especially Tatsumaki are able to kill someone. Saitama might also intervene and kill some Saibaman and have funny dialogue with Nappa and Vegeta or some shit. Finally, the S Class heroes manage to defeat all the Saibaman (in actuality it was just Saitama), and they all gang up on Nappa. This is where we see a tough fight similar to how the Heroes fought against Psycho-orochi, and with some impressive coordination between the heavy hitters, they probably manage to gain the advantage over Nappa, embarrassing him in Vegeta’s eyes, who proceeds to kill him. Vegeta then steps in and slaps around the how VERY weekend heroes, before he briefly faces off against King. There’s some comedic interaction where Vegeta attacks King but it’s blocked/countered by an intervention from Saitama or Blast, which everyone else around mistaken for an impressive feat from King himself. Eventually there’s an engagement between Blast and Vegeta, where Blast is initially overwhelmed by Vegeta’s power but instantly counters with his teleportation/gravity hax. They have a scuffle where Vegeta is obviously more powerful destructively, but his attacks are hard-countered by Blast. Vegeta than results to using his Great Ape form for more power and begins decimating the battle field, promoting Saitama to intervene out of curiosity where they trade some heavy blows, prompting Blast to teleport them off the planet. They have a similar engagement to how Saitama and Garou’s battle went, though obviously different in pacing, but in the end Saitama gains the upper hand, punishes Vegeta back on earth. Then someone, probably Bang, Atomic Samurai, Flashy Flash, Genos, or Sonic, cut off Vegeta’s tail. Defeated, Vegeta retreats and leave the earth. Though it was Saitama and Blast’s intervention that ultimately lead to Vegeta’s defeat, the whole world praises King instead. The end.
I hate how everyone ignores the fact that the physics and logic in DBZ and other animes is just not the same, in DBZ planets are unrealistically fragile. Let me explain, in DBZ, it seems like all you gotta do is damage the core and with that you destroy the planet which ends up exploding sooner or later depending on how severe the damage inflicted to the core was. That being said, that's not how planets work at all lmao, not only in real life, but also not in most other Animes. If you damage the core of a planet or throw a huge blast of energy that goes very deep, it will cause very extreme volcanism everywhere, weaken or mess big time with the magnetic field of the planet, ridiculous earth quakes, ridiculous tsunamis, heat up the surface of the planet so much that most things die, etc. But the planet would not explode at all like it's shown many times in DBZ when Vegeta destroys a planet (which is not canon btw, another mistake of the video) or when Freezer destroys Namek or planet Vegeta. If DBZ had realistic astrophysics, then freezer would have not destroyed namek, would have not destroyed planet vegeta... In the sense of making the planets blow up and disappear from existence just by damaging the core lol So there you go, because you didn't take that into consideration just as most people (if not literally everyone) doesn't, the entire análisis is wrong.
Pretty much saiyans would just need to destroy the planet and instant win since no heros can survive vacuum of space while vegeta being willing to do it means he would have survived and could survive until his ship comes back or a pick up arrives
Saiyans can't breathe in space, they need oxygen, which is fucking stupid btw. Imagine being "multiversal" capable of destroying galaxies and universes but can die by drowning.
@@kimsalinas1993 they can survive in space, we have seen them talking and fighting in space, bardock fights frieza, vegeta blows up bug planet, broly creates a bubble to travel through space and goku fights beerus, but we are never shown or told for how long this can happen, if they destroyed a galaxy then yeah they are screwed but planet hoping, that should be doable.
Imagine someone like Darkshine or even just Suiryu harnessing Ki. At that point, people would say Suiryu is just Boros in disguise. Like Boros watched too much Invader Zim or some shit.
Yea I think Tatsumaki would take out the Saibamen… and I don’t think Child emperor would die to them, but Vegeta would find him and have Nappa take him out and have fun… then Metal Knight would get whooped… idk if Zombieman dies? But he couldn’t win. Also, just based on how it goes, you’d have to say they fight Garou if the scenario is them showing up to their planet. (But then you’re just getting nitpicky and that never stops…) Basically, interesting unbiased take, but that’s why I hate analyzing different universes “powers” or “who’s stronger?” Each story is just different and it’s not like science and physics are actually considered when they tell the story for most of them. But neat!
I hate DB power explanations and display. They SAY they destroyed worlds, but then when they throw a punch with obvious effort, it barely blows a hole in a mountain.
She wouldn't. The only characters in OPM that would survive, even King Piccolo, would be Cosmic Garou, and Saitama. The only argument would be that, if you squint really hard, some of the top tier characters like Blast might have a slight edge in speed. But that is being incredibly generous to the OPM characters, and incredibly harsh on the DB characters.
@@seanao32 Based on what? Short of Saitama and Garou, nothing in OPM has any feats that would make them a challenge for even King Piccolo. I mean, Friggin Roshi vaporized the moon, then continued fighting like it was nothing. On the other hand Tatsumaki and psykos fighting did what? Cut through a continent sized chunk of the Earth? Even if Blast were 10x that powerful, he might match up to Roshi blowing up the moon.
@@ikeillue8385 We literally see Blast react to angry Saitama and Garou and briefly contain the serious punch square, which eclipses anything shown in early Buu saga and below lmao.
@@seanao32 Briefly contain? No. He merely aimed it. Also that only eclipses everything before that point, if you don't look at Diazenshuu. Using what the Diazenshuu tells us about the Dragon Ball cosmology, Cell saga characters already completely outclass even Saitama.
Depends on Blast, only because we know close to nothing about him. The rest are useless. Even Tornado is useless. Remember, Vegeta in Saiyan saga was a planet buster (galick gun). And that's not using the Monkey form, which multiplies the power by 10. Even Nappa was a casual city buster -- probably a continent buster. And if he were to become the Monkey, he'd be able to planet bust with ease. Oh, and Vegeta was able to TANK a planet buster x1.3 (Galick gun and Kaioken 3 were even, and V took Kaioken 4). And with minimal damage. Now, ealier in the saga, Nappa said that Earth was a very small planet. Still, that's way above anything S class can dish out.
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Fun fact if Hercule was in the OPM universe he'd be in high A class with the feats he's shown off.
One time i talked about how mr satán( ye that Hercule name in me country) Will be tecnically a top tier figthet on animes Like baki . Even how postrayed as a weakling
@Wou He is pulling 488,400. That is the weight of multiple buildings. Tell me a single B or even most of A class that can lift a couple buildings on their back.
I think Mr Satan would be in S class, he's actually ridiculously strong if you compare him to some of the characters in OPM. He only seems weak compared to the Z fighters because they're really overpowered compared to him.
Mr Satan also has a very high luck stat, much like King. Maybe not on par with Kings luck, but still very high. So that would also help him a lot against stronger opponents, even if just for survival purposes.
So Mr Satan would basically be King, but if he was a strong fighter and still have very good luck.
@@troller9838 So he's King if King exchanged some of his absurd luck for actual strength. That's certainly an interesting way of looking at it.
@@troller9838 He also has some crazy durability. Bro took hits from cell and omega shenron (not canon ik but still)
The Saiyans’ inability to detect any ki from King would prompt them to depart the planet in fear before their pods collide in low orbit, resulting in their instant deaths.
If the pods collide in orbit it wouldn’t do anything as they would just fly down to earth, they can still survive in the vacuum of space for a short period of time while holding their breath
@@Helios-102 Shhh King cursed their pods to kill the saiyans as they desperately try to escape.
They can't sense power at this point though. What would likely happen, is that the scouter would explode when they tried to scan him, and then they would flee.
@@john98765333They didn't run when it exploded for Goku. They'd at least swing on him before running.
ssj god
Before watching, my guess:
-Tatsumaki would survive but may not have the strength to kill Vegeta
-Blast would kill them both, probably with little effort
-King would obviously survive and terrify them both into leaving the planet
After watching: I think you were pretty spot on, but I'm disappointed you forgot about the GOAT, King.
I can just imagine Nappa getting ready to rush in and smash King, but King doesn't even flinch, triggering Vegeta to have that "Watch out Nappa!" moment which causing Nappa to stop short of striking him. That is when Vegeta would have the power level reading moment and say that his power level must be too high for the scouter to read and that they should leave before they die.
@@Omega_Ultima💀💀Then vegeta will say he will be back again and he doesn't run from fights
@@Omega_Ultima King's intimidation works mostly because of his reputation. For Nappa and Vegeta he's just a random dude, so it'll be the same scenario as Cell vs Hercule
@@promiatey7520 Yeah, but the most powerful ability of King is summoning Saitama whenever he's in danger. Then... well, you know the drill.
@Promiatey That is true, but I still think the King engine and his stupid amount of luck would save him.
King solos the Saiyans, obviously
Ah yes Mr Satans little brother
@@PerSon-xg3zr Mr Satan is King’s DOG
@@Loplyxhell no. Dude mr Satan fought boo and survived
@@Neuvillete4.6 King Fodderizes him 🗿🍷
And his stand
The png of nappa holding a godcube is priceless.
Made it myself with my editing skills
Nappa: _"Look Vegeta, it's a GameCube"_
Vegeta: _"That's a Godcube, Nappa..."_
Nappa: _"I'm gonna play it"_
Vegeta: 🤦♂️
@@Professor_Fiction garou vs kid buu 🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
How far does the OPM verse make it through all the budokai tenkaichi tournaments.
What you think of that idea?
@@Professor_Fiction in your own opinion, do you see the saiyans lasting long enough to perfect copy blast hyperspace??
Since vegeta is a saiyan elite and goku is a low born. He should have more potential and hence be more versatile in copying techniques.
Or do you think because it is vastly different, it would be impossible for them to be able to copy it in time for blast to send them away
Goku being able to(not perfect copy but still) the hakai technique
Agreed, S class die, but then Blast solos.
Tatsumaki is the only other one who might be able to do something. The saiyans at this point can't handle 100x gravity and Psykos applied 300x gravity to Tatsumaki which did nothing to her, so she could definitely apply more than that.
Gravity must work differently in dbz like power level.Because 10 x gravity literally crushing concrete and steel in boo saga by pui.Even though 10 times is not enough to do this kind of insane stuff.
@@om9959 It doesn't do that in the manga as far as I remember.
Gravity doesnt have sense in dbz. Characters can outpot the energy to destroy moons but then struggle with 10 times their body weight
@@weeaboo-warriorbecause nappa crushed continents with 2 fingers.
@@om9959 He didn’t crush anything, he vaporized a country-continent sized region, but it wasn’t crushed via gravity.
It's always crazy how strong saibamen actually are
Until you realize that the one that self destructed on Yamcha barely did any damage at all to the ground around it. In other words, power levels are bull shit.
@@Pehz63 maybe it was a concentrated blast
Attack potency doesn't equal destructive capacity
@@Pehz63 another person who doesnt get it
@@Pehz63 He wasn't trying to damage the ground you clown. Learn what attack potency is.
Fun fact: Master Roshi destroyed the moon with his Kamehameha and his power level was probably less than 200..showing that it wouldn’t even take Piccolo strength to do it. He was in his muscular form which was never measured but Roshi in his regular form was 139.
Right i point this out a lot!
Creo que los ataques de ki tienen la potencia de destruir planetas, pero la durabilidad y fuerza meh, dudo bastante Goku blue pueda destruir un planeta solo con 1 puño, sin energía detrás, ya ui es otra cosa
I wonder if Roshi's muscular form actually impacted his ki attacks, now that I think about it. I don't think it would, as ki isn't really related to your physical mass.
@@ForceEdge47 his muscular form was essential him powering up though which does increase ones power level and ki blast strength.
Well, Yajirobe power level is 2100, do you honestly see him moon busting or planet busting?
King makes Vegeta wait 3 hours for Blast XD
It was always so strange to find as I looked more into this subculture that the saiyan saga villains served as an almost universal benchmark when it came to comparison.
Speaking to both how legendary Dragon Ball and Z are as well, just how absurdly powerful these individuals get. When Vegeta at his very lowest, we had seen him in the manga or show beyond flashbacks, of course. Can still viably eradicate most other characters.
That's mostly because a good majority of anime don't ever superceed sayian saga in terms of powerscaling
@@TheArtGuyChannel True. Naruto as a franchise is like 22 year old, yet the borutoverse has only JUST gotten to frieza level.
This may surprise you, but DBZ scaling is utter nonsense. As soon as Vegeta could blow up planets in his first appearance and got ultra-nerfed when he joined the party, power scaling was dead. Frieza took it to insane levels, and then Golden Frieza made it dumber, and now I hear there's a Black Frieza or something.
Jesus christ.
@@ieatvirgins well somewhat it jsut gets harder to scale speed tbh cause speed increases as you get stronger but power wise and power output is somewhat conseistant
@@coolchrisable Why are you talking about this like you have any sort of scientific basis to discuss this topic? This is part of why power scaling discussions are stupid. There is no magical "power output formula".
Now here is the scary thing for Earth, God would probably be amping the Saiyans when they attack.
Flashy Flash is probably one of the ones that can stand a chance due to him being able to keep up with Garou and Platinium Sperm, but in terms of AP he doesn’t match them
Isn't Flashy Flash a he?
@@chronic5577 m bad
Platinum WHO??? Jesus how much OPM did i miss?!
@@mr.mcklockwork3828 LMAO you should prolly read the manga fam
@@mr.mcklockwork3828it's better, its original form is Black Sperm, made up of 38 trillion clones each being comparable to a regular humans, which can all unite to Make Golden Sperm and then solidify to make Platinum Sperm 😂
"Raditz, an ally of the saiyans"
... yes, I suppose he was.
That is all he was to them. Friend…would never reject the idea of resurrecting him with the Dragon Balls if he was this as well.
@@warrenbradford2597 I think perhaps you're missing a key detail here my dude.
EXCELLENT WORK. DRAGON BALL VS ONE PUNCH 👊 MAN
Power scaling in dragon ball is WEIRD!
If you just go by feats performed + who can overpower who, you have:
Roshi destroys the moon with a single blast
-> Gets completely owned by a non-rejuvenated King Piccolo
-> Rejuvenated King Piccolo gets stomach blasted out by a HEAD BUTT from kid Goku
-> kid Goku gets 3 YEARS of dedicated training afterwards from Kami/Popo to fight Piccolo
-> 5-10 years later his attacks do nothing to Raditz's prepared defense
-> about 10 months of training on King Kai's planet where he went from barely able to take a step, to running around like it was normal in the first day or two
-> needs to multiply his power four? fold to take a full blast from normal form Vegeta
Each of those steps also involve getting so much faster that the previous step can barely/can't even see them move. If we take the maximum speed a human can see to be half the speed of a slow bullet (probably actually quite a lot faster for something human sized, but using it as a lower limit.) Or 300 MPH (for larger objects it should be a LOT higher but again, lower limit...) That means we can see things moving about 10 times the maximum speed we could possible run at.
So if each step is multiplying speed at least 10 times, that is a 1,000,000 times increase MINIMUM in speed, which would take you from a normal non-athlete sprint, to about 10% the speed of light.
Given how fast Goku could move when he met BULMA, that multiplier gets him to WAY over the speed of light.
Heck, just looking at Master Roshi's moon destroying blast, it took at MOST 5 seconds to reach the moon, or 50,000 miles per second. And the Kamehameha has been dodged/deflected several times at that level. So taking THAT as the base, 1,000,000 x 50,000 mps = 50 BILLION Miles per Second, or about 260,000 times the speed of light.
To be more specific, testing has shown that a human should be able to notice movement occurring when a soccer ball sized object is moving at over 30,000 MPH from 70 feet away, which would put the multiplier at closer to 1000 times faster per step, or 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 faster total, or 260 QUADRILLION times the speed of light. Or a bit under 2 seconds to cross the universe.
Again, Power scaling in DB is WEIRD, because multiple occurrences also suggest they are nowhere NEAR that fast, so evidence shows both a high multiple of light speed movement during fights, and also an inability to react/move anywhere NEAR lightspeed at other times.
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POWER LEVELS ARE BULLSHIT
Toriyama is a nutoriously bad writer. Even he says he prefers to write gags as opposed to serious stories.
You're overthinking it. Power levels don't increase normally in terms of feats. Master roshi only blew up the moon after powering it up. It was only piccolo who blew it up casually.
Rely on feats and scaling. Keep in mind characters like to hold back or have 2nd forms. Dragon ball is not hard to understand. Only if you try to apply tard vsbattles logic to it does everything become ominversal or whatever.
Oh yeah, statements are not always true. Villains can lie
Toryama don't give a shit to power scales... Meanwhile one try to stay the most accurate as possible and did a entire chapter about power scale..
This is one of the best analysis videos I've seen in a long time. People really underestimate the threat posed by the Saiyans, who could wipe out cities with a gesture.
They literally sent babies to planets to conquer them lol...
This video sucks, it completely just shutdowns any argument with saying “well their moves are poison based so like is it moon leve?!?! No so it can’t work”
@@TearsOfThem Not really, we don't know if those poisons can even hurt Saiyans. Remember how Kid Goku survived drinking the Ultra Divine Water? It's a poisonous drink made from magic.
@@TearsOfThem There is no reason to believe their poison could even tickle the Saiyans when Goku could simply tank legendary poisons. When he was a kid. At an insignificant fraction of the Saiyan's power. It can't work simply because it doesn't make sense to believe otherwise.
@@dantemeriere5890 Same Goku died of a virus before time travel got involved, and that was after becoming millions of times stronger than he was as a child. Biological weapons can definitely bring saiyans down.
Good video overall however you didn't discuss vegeta's great ape form against blast which you pointed out was 10x stronger than his base. When goku fought great ape vegeta he was shocked that vegeta was actually pretty fast despite his huge body. Would've liked to see you explain if this changed the outcome or not.
I think at best, it would make Vegeta a bigger target..
Like blast would have to make a bigger portal and send him off. At least non-ape vegeta has the smaller stature to hopefully dodge as much hyperspace gates as he could before he's eventually knicked by one.
I'd be gruesome if Blast made a gate at ape vegetas hands and Teleport cut them (kinda like in infinity war Tony vs the big guy). Or even worse, cut the tail.
It's pretty irrelevant to a character that can just seal him away in a different dimension
@@elcato8126 In the video he explains he's using a low balled blast that's at least 4 times ftl so great ape vegeta would be at least 10x ftl when they fought meaning he could avoid the hyper space gates.
@@OK-yy6qz I mean in the video he said blast was at least 4 times ftl, the great ape form would make vegeta 10x ftl that's pretty relevant.
@@darktigersharkmax4432 Vegeta is 10× stronger in Ape form not faster. He's actually slightly slower than his base (although still very impressively fast for his size)
One Punch Man's power scaling is significantly more consistent compared to Dragon Ball Z. This makes it more enjoyable to engage in discussions about power levels, as it is easier to reach logical conclusions.
Wrongest statement about OPM I’ve ever read in my life 😂
@@Milkra enlighten me
OPM as a manga isn't even 1/4th of the age of DB.Give it some time,and I'm sure the power scaling will be a lil wonky too😂
True, as iconic as DBZ is, the power levels are completely stupid. No power scaling in manga is 100% accurate, and it shouldn't be (then there's nothing to discuss), but at least in OPM I haven't seen some low level character doing crazy things because it looks cool.
Yup, telling if an OPM character is S-Class or A, B, C-Class is pretty easy. Guys like Garou, Sonic, and Suiryu might not be heroes, but they're definitely S-Class material. You can even figure out how high up they are in the S-Class rankings.
This is a good take. Given the right circumstances and team work I agree the S class heroes could defeat Nappa. But Vegeta is too much for them. Chi is a weapon and defense. If enough Chi is lowered their defense goes down but I don’t think any of the S class have the fire power to overpower Vegeta defenses. Nor can they tire him out. They’ll be exhausted before he ever does.
I really liked your point on 8:40. At this point in the story, Vegeta would not be accustomed to gravity training. He didn’t start until after the frieza saga when he got a dozen zenkai boost and almost died. So,anything stronger than his planet (10x earth gravity) could definitely overpower him long enough to land a critical blow.
Playing devils advocate, let’s pretend you don’t need to be SS3 level to break out of dimensions with your screams like Super Buu did. Vegeta doesn’t know this technique. If Gotrunks was alone he’d have never escaped the hyperbolic time chamber. Chi can be as versatile as you want which is why Nappa can do eye and mouth beams. Saiyan Saga Vegeta is not versatile enough. The moment he’s launched into another dimension, fights over. He can’t counter that.
he didn't consider that tatsumaki can just casualy take 300 times gravity and say it feels nice
Tatsumaki exists.
Her abilities would be a advantage
but for some reason,if metal bat gets pumped im sure he'll be trouble
and if you know metal bats pumped ability is just stupid
lets not forget
king
One way tatsumaki can win is with gravity attacks. She handled 300 times gravity was nothing to her but early dragon ball characters couldn’t really handle 100 times gravity.
Tasumaki gravity at that time fighting over psychos was calculated to be 300 times stronger and there's a scene in DBZ where Goku is heading slowly heading towards Namek he specifically said "I'm glad I can finally Keep up with 100 gravity" in the gravity Room and when Goku actually landed on Namek he was absolutely destroying nappa and the other Frieza soldiers. Even going as far as standing on top of nappa's head That was such a bada** moment from Goku but yea my point still stands there's absolutely no way post Namek saiyan's saga Is capable of competing with Tasumaki incredible telekinesis strength
@@licansen3331nappa wasn’t on Namek
Tatsumaki effortlessly kills the Saiyans it's no debate other than to brainlet db fans
Eh to be fair 10 times gravity in DB can crush rocks and steel which normally isn't possible at all
Vegeta literally considered earth to be a baby planet. So a power level of 10,000 could be large planetary or even more, and Vegeta thought if Nappa was smart, he could beat goku with a power level of 8k (and he also knew he could double it to 16k.) Nappa could be large planetary and might be able to solo the s class (if Vegeta was correct and he was smart)
Edit: A power level of 10k was confirmed to be able to destroy a planet in guide books.
im sure if a 300 powerlevel piccolo can destroy the moon with an energy ball then a 1k powerlevel guy can destroy the planet
Lol no. Nappa's power level was 4k. He wasn't going to beat Goku's 8k.
@@dangerousdays2052 Nappa's powerlevel was 4k against the Z warriors, where he wasn't serious, but against Goku he went full power and become 8k, base Goku said that the battle between them would take forever because they're pretty even, so he used the Kaioken.
@@who316 Wrong. Only the Earth warriors knew how to raise power levels without transforming. Nappa stood no chance.
@@dangerousdays2052 it's a rage boost, just like how Vegeta with a power level of 18000 was clashing evenly with Goku’s Kaioken x3 kamehameha with a power level of 24000, only when Goku went x4 he overwhelmed Vegeta
Blast apears*
Nappa: is that a Pokémon
Vegeta: FOR THE LAST TIME, NO
Nappa: "I'm gonna be a Pokemon master!"
Really brings into comparison how powerful characters in DBZ really are
Raditz solos all the Heroes, and Raditz solos all Narutard/Narudo characters. It's that simple. He would destroy Saitama as well. Saitama is a joke, gag character. Based on his training, he is weaker than Kid Kakarot and Master Roshi. Anyone who grew up with Dragon Ball in the 1990s up until 2005 knows this fact. Stop comparing all of these fake anime characters against Dragon Ball characters. It's literally impossible for most other anime characters to even harm or tag some of the weakest characters in DBZ.
@@bikotheanimator6169 just wait until you find out Saitama did a Buu Saga level feat in the manga
DB characters (even pre-Z) have always been ridiculously overpowered.
@@bikotheanimator6169 Saitama is immortal bro. He farts and moves faster than light. There are so many anime that have stronger characters out there. In dbz all they ever do is power up and hit each other, there are no special abilities or anything, aside from a few exceptions. Yes goku and vegeta vastly outclass anime like one piece, naruto etc but thats the point. Original dragonball was supposed to be a parody anime making fun of tropes, but I guess you don't remember because you are a child who only knows dbz.
@@MementoMoriGrizzly ...fucking what? No it wasn't. How could it parody tropes that IT ITSELF MADE at that time? Dragon Ball isn't a parody, it was the original. It is what brought shonen to the forefront, and to this day all shonen pull at least a little bit from it. You can't parody a trope that isn't established, only establish it.
0:53 Saitama is lost in an IKEA... poor guy, the sale ends in a matter of hours and he still has yet to find what he was looking for...
Yajirobe cut off Vegeta's tail, so I would think Atomic Samurai might do some damage there...
Yajirobe is literally stronger than Teen Goku, someone stated capable of blowing up the moon. Atomic Samurai cannot do anything to this man
YES EXACTLY
@@Professor_Fiction But you didn't consider hoe many senzu beans atomic samurai has.
This is a very respectful way to compare the 2 storylines. I enjoyed it
tbh I thought the tatsumaki would just speed blitz and kill Nappa through mind crush or something, then lose to Vegeta.
I can imagine that working
Ehh nah I mean if you’re really lowballing nappa
Her doing 1000x gravity would kill them though
@@markmontes17 oh yeah i forgot she could do that
@@markmontes17 she lacks speed, and if we are in character tatsumaki just summons a meteor or something to destroy Nappa after that Nappa will just speed blitz her. Or even if she killed Nappa then Vegeta whoops her.
I just wanted to say about the "Vegeta could destroy a planet with a finger during the Saiyan Saga" comment, that was completely non-canon and doesn't mean Vegeta at that point could destroy a whole planet with just a finger, he probably could with an actual blast but pretty sure not as easily as just pointing at it lol
Vegeta will be the hardest to defeat I doubt the S class can even fathom that level of power
Expected you to mess it up but you f ING nailed it good vid
LMAO the entire S-Class would BARELY survive against Raditz, let alone Nappa or Vegeta, its a slaughterfest
YESSSSS I need that Z Fighters vs Boros video
Z fighters would obliterate boros
LMAOO after namek its a wash
@@101mrcrazyman facts
@@101mrcrazyman
During Namek its a wash*
during Saiyan Saga my guy lmao
Speed aside, Tatsumaki making a 100x gravity would one shot them
Nappa yes Vegeta no. Goku couldnt handel it in his base on the way to namek but in kaioken he most likely could so vegeta would very likely be able to overcome it or at the very least not get one shot
@@max21567
bro, gyoro-gyoro who was a lot weaker than tats was able to generate 300 time gravity towards her, guess what? tats casually tanks it, no, she considers it as a good massage. yeah, tats can easily generate at least 9,000x gravity at her full power.
vegeta and the rest of the fighter during saiyan saga is getting squashed.
@@nameisname5566 sure I guess if she can actually do 9000 times gravity he would die IF he got hit by hit but he would because he’d probably blitz unless he was off guard
@Max Selfe
Remember hearts? Pretty much the same but they're getting smushed.
@@nameisname5566 hearts would obliterate tatsumaki not even close
Can’t believe you low balled the King Engine like that
Nappa dies from fright for sure
King soloes with his insane level shittery and unluck/luck
King would absolutely obliterate both of them by enabling some kind of incredibly contrived opening for Tatsumaki. He’s a literal god tier support type.
Now i kinda wanna see the saiyans after the frieza arc fight blast
Start of z z fighters vs boros would also be cool
Ginyu force be the S class would be awesome
@@scuffed2reckless740 I think anything in namek would be pretty strong
@@scuffed2reckless740 bro wants to see s class heroes getting Massacred and humiliated 💀
Vegeta bodies blast after frieza arc extremely bad
Between Blast and Tatsumaki, I honestly don't think they'd last very long. Remove those outliers, and the Saiyans wouldn't even remember killing them, it'd happen so fast.
The one in the saiyan saga who did the most damage to Vegeta was Yajirobi, a fat, useless, normal human with a sword; all because Vegeta got distracted multiple times. I somehow doubt vegeta could stand up to so many distractions that can move as fast as light; especially with so many of them fighting with cunning more than strength.
@@Noplayster13Yajirobe isn't a "normal" human and he never has been. He was roughly as strong as Goku when he was introduced in Dragon Ball (they fought). He was a little weaker than Raditz when he cut off Vegeta's tail...just fyi.
@@Darkshadowdj That seems dubious that Yajirobi could ever stand up to Raditz, but let’s just assume that he could. The point still stands that flashy flash or sonic would have little trouble with Vegeta if someone weaker than Raditz was able to catch him off guard and injure him multiple times.
@@Noplayster13 There's a reason that Yajirobe went for Vegeta's tail instead of trying to kill him - he couldn't if he tried.
Yajirobe has much higher attack power than Flashy Flash and Sonic - I don't think they could do any meaningful damage.
Vegeta survived Goku's x4 Kamehameha (planet busting power) and a spirit bomb (off guard) - both were direct hits...
Also, after taking both of the above mentioned attacks - Vegeta (heavily damaged) got slashed in the back (off guard) by Yajirobe at full strength.
Amazing video, you really included all of the information needed to make your arguments valid. You just made a new subscriber 😁
Saitama beats the Saiyans and if we stretch it so does Tatsumaki.
As powerful as the Saiyans are, i can't shake the feeling that the S-Class heroes were being low-balled in the analysis. While i agree with nearly all of the points made, as even Raditz would be able to tank all their energy attacks using Ki shielding and the Saiyans are overall more durable and powerful, however the crux of the Saiyans power is their Ki blasts - I personally think this and two other factors that were not mentioned provides the S-Class heroes with a major advantage, IF they agreed to work together and strategically fight at full power.
One of the factors is the double edge of Saiyan's love of battle. I admit this is highlighted in their theoretical introduction of erasing City A, but it also goes further than that. Instead of simply blasting every hero in their sight, nuking the planet, they would
If Tatsumaki focused on fighting defensively at full power from the start, she would be able to paralyze Nappa and even Vegeta temporarily, allowing heroes like Bang and Flashy Flash to target the Saiyans vitals
The S class heroes working together is not realistic lmao , Tatsumaki would surely try to take them on by herself , while the others might work together as they did when Boros invaded the earth
i keep forgetting the manga kept on after i caught up and forgot about OPM a few years back. kinda upset at myself for spoiling the manga lol good video!
3:52 - Piccolo: STOP MOCKING ME!!
4:23 - Nappa showing why he is the Patty cake Champion.
Most the S-Class would range in the 200 to 800 power level range.
Exceptions would be Genos at above 1000, Bang at about 1000, and Darkshine Alloy being close to 1000.
They would all fight the Saibamen and win with half casualties.
Tatsumaki would probably be at about 6000 powerlevel, and with her overwhelming power, she would crush Nappa.
At this point, Vegeta would wipe the rest of the S Class, and then Blast would appear just as he would go deal the final blow to Tatsumaki.
It'd all come down to Blast vs Vegeta at this point. And considering that Meteoric Burst Boros scales to Vegeta and that Blast has the boosted powers of other individuals like Boros, I would say Blast would win. Especially if he portals Vegeta into deep space.
im not very well versed with the powers of OPM characters, but I saw another comment mention how Tatsumaki can increase the gravity of an object by a couple hundred times over, so if she could do that (emphesis on the IF lol) then id say its safe to assume shed be able to take on Vegeta and Nappa with ease.
welp, master roshi was able to destroy whole moon with powerlevel of 189.
and saibamens is lie 1200 or even above.
non of s class can destroy moon, that means saibamen solos every S class hero(Except blast of course)
@алексей доколь Yeah, I somehow kind of forgot about that... During the tournament vs Kid Goku, his base Power Level was probably more like 120. Using Max Power, he was at 180, and using the original Kamehameha would multiply his power Output to above 500. So yeah, most the S Class really would just be at one to two hundred power level tops.
The f-
None of those numbers make any sense. The entire power level system was a complete fluke and the best we know about Vegeta was that at 18,000 he could blow up a planet, meaning multicontinental has to be between 4000 and 18,000... Oh, wait, it's 4000
So you're telling me that you need 4.5 times more power to destroy a planet than to destroy a bunch of continents? That makes no sense because 4.5 times multi continental is still multi continental
Oh, but it can be exponential!
Nope, theath doesn't check out anyway. Also, being that nappa is MCtal in 4000, and both Genos and tatsumaki are both large moon to small planet level, then they should be around 14,000 (I'm making the number up based on what we know about Vegeta)
So, no, nappa gets folded into a paper crane, and Vegeta gets 4v1ned to death since blast and muscle man compare to Genos in AP (blast far surpasses that since he was able to redirect an attack that wiped out stars)
Now what could happen if ginyu force appears??
Boros was basically around the ballpark of saiyan saga vegeta so there's your answer
Garou: copies ultra instinct
Goku: shi-
Yeah no, you haven't read Moro arc yet
@tobiassangma2345 well ye there's true ultra instinct, but couldn't garou copy that, whatever I'm a drgaon ball fan I don't need to switch sides
In order to use ui you must have-
1. God ki
2. Enlightenment/Calm Mind
3. Leave the work to your body
Otherwise same thing gonna happened as it was for moro
Hey lol that's my calc in 8:22
Funnily enough, there are a few things that were skipped:
1) Atomic Samurai's slash can literally cut the space between atoms, which is WAY sharper than Krillin's spirit cutter (that did, if I can point that out, slice Nappa's cheek). If he gets into melee distance with the Saiyans he's going to remove some limbs.
2) Metal Knight has the advantage of numbers - he is just one of MILLIONS of robots created by dr. Bofoi.
3) Tatsumaki isn't a brawler - she's a telekinetic. She won't punch or hit, she will GRAB -which will remove the advantage of speed from the two Saiyan, at least for enough time to let the true heavy hitters reach them (see point 1).
4) If the S-class heroes decide to stop acting like brawlers and use their brains for once, they can't lose - if there is ONE thing that all the characters in Dragonball have in common is that they're brawlers: if something isn't hurt by a punch, their solution is always "punch harder". For example, Saiyans can't fly (at least not at their first arrival) and they can't breathe in space: if Tatsumaki tosses Vegeta and Nappa out of the atmosphere, it's game over. Same deal if Child Emperor uses a machine that fills the area with, say, toxic gas while Metal Knight, Drive Knight and Genos (that don't need to breathe) keep them busy; a person moving fast needs to breathe just as fast, which means that the Saiyan would keel over quite soon. As for the saibaimen... well, the solution is easy: Pig God. They're plants, they've just sprouted, he'll eat them. Spiciest salad around, but nothing that his terrifying stomach can't handle.
5) Similar to point 4, a Saiyan generally doesn't even understand the concept of teamwork. The S heroes can, in fact, cover for each other's weak points just fine, but the thought will not occur to Vegeta and Nappa until it's too late (as a matter of fact, the first thing Vegeta did when Nappa got heavily wounded was KILL HIM).
The Z fighters vs Boros is a really simple answer. Boros's most powerful attack is planetary, which requires 100% of all his energy. However, the Z Fighters, in unison, are far beyond moon levels of strength. So I think Piccolo and Tien, Krillin too would just jump the hell out of him. (Also if it's anything past the saiyan saga then it's incredibly one sided, Krillin would solo.
Post saiyan saga chaotzu solos
Krillin was nearly killed in a police shootout in super. Saying he could ever solo OPMverse in any capacity is a hilarious overstatement. Yall forget there is a ridiculous gap between ki blasts and physical stats in Dragon Ball. The same Vegeta who supposedly can blast away entire planets since he was first introduced to DB, can not lift 10 000 tons in Super, even though he can spar with the likes of Beerus at that point. If he tried to arm wrestle Bang or even Darkshine, they would rip his arm out of the socket lmao. There are many S class who can physically overpower or just one shot Vegeta just as he can one shot them with his energy blasts. Some like Bang, Flash and Kamikaze can blitz him too.
Vegeta dies to fodders, no need for Tatsumaki or Blast.
@@mitromney "Krillin was nearly killed in a police shootout in super"
Any attack, no matter how weak, can injure someone in DB if their guard is down. That's why Krillin was able to hit Goku with a rock during the Cell Sage and hurt him. It's also why Goku was able to be seriously wounded by a simple laser gun during his second fight with Frieza. Ki is like a personal shield, and if it's down the fighter is vulnerable regardless of how great their full power may be.
This stuff was established in the OG Dragon Ball, and there are several examples of it in Z and Super. How did you manage to misunderstand/miss *_all_ * of it? They're not difficult shows to follow.
Imagine a duo of King & Hercule. Literally unstoppable.
4:21 This is lower than low-balling it, it's rolling the ball across the floor since Goku dodged lightning as a kid and has done much training since then...
No need for Blast, Tatsumaki turns them into dog fodder. And, no they can't kill her with their energy blasts either. People already forget she was hit in the face with Psykos's God Blast that nearly chopped a planet in half, while she wasn't even focused on the fight, and all that happened is that she lost a shoe.
Destroying a planet in half is really not that impressive in dbz
So exactly what Vegeta can do?
Tatsumaki puts up a slight fight at best, they'd need Blast because he was comparable to Cosmic Garou (at that point he was too much for all the other S class heroes and easily planetary threat) this was before he got even stronger while fighting Saitama.
Nappa will just go back as ghost Nappa and annoy them to death
Remember that Snake way(1 million km length was legend, not fact) in the afterlife which stretches across a quadrant of the universe. Each Kai rules 1 quadrant of the universe, that's 47B light years from Earth to the edge, 1K PL Goku traveled in 5.8 months="177 days" that's Lux(Mach for light speed) 7.9 quadrillion, the return took 2 days at Lux 700 Qd(keep in mind he was holding back to waist energy).
Prediction:
Blast stomps, but weirdly the rest of the S-class are pretty useless here.
Most of the S-class cap at continental at best, some have good speed feats tho
Saiyan saga vegeta is at large planet level (using el manga legendario 10k required for planet, earth is considered small)
So saiyans crush s-class, if you remove Vegeta and King vegeta, there's a solid argument for it being pretty close, Tastumaki has some pretty high scaling.
Then there's blaast who scales to double-gamma ray burst garou, I think he actually 1 shots the entire group. Freeza is a better match up for blast honestly.
edit: ah just vegeta, nappa etc.
Before watching this video, I’m just going to say that Tatsumaki can absolutely body the Saiyans and King is basically a more humble Mr. Satan in this universe, so obviously, he’s going to pull it off in the most stupidly lucky, yet beautiful, way possible. Everyone else is more or less going to more or less struggle to keep up.
Pffftt yeah right
Yes make the boros CS Z fighters video please!
Tatsumaki is the only one that can actually put a fight and win at this level of power. She can pinpoint precise spots in a body and we know she doesn't care a lot about earth when fighting and she tends to use cataclysmic ending attacks on strong opponent.
Blast ofc at this level would nuke vegita and nappa.
King solo saiyan. He just stand there and summon saitama, lol
Vegeta can bust multiple planets NOW. But during the Saiyan saga, that scene was filler and thus never counted.
Hallelujah praise Jesus someone said it
I didn’t mention the filler scene in the actual breakdown. Vegeta is still planet level, this much is stated at least 3 times
I haven't watched the video yet, but couldn't Tatsumaki just increase the gravity? I know lifting strength is something DB characters actually struggle with.
how much can she increase gravity? Saiyan's live normally in x10 earths gravity
@@absolutez3r019 by 300 times
I’m pretty sure the z fighyers could beat boros, but it would be close due to his regeneration. I think it’d be interesting to see all the forms of Garou vs the z fighters, what stage would he need to be at to beat them? Obviously cosmic fear garou would destroy them but could the other versions match?
To answer that, they could no diff all of em but the cosmic one, the jump power on there is a ABYSMAL.
Pretty sure Krillin could solo Boros. Seeing as how Boros was killed by his own move which was similar to a Kamehameha Wave. And he can just throw those out willy nilly.
Garou would need to be stopped by a super saiyan minimum.
@@mr.mcklockwork3828 The Kienzan was deadly to people many times his power level who would shake off his regular Kamehameha Wave. Anyone not able to dodge that single attack isn't even in the conversation for competing with even the early Saiyans of the series.
It is not "Can the z fighters beat Boros" but more "WHEN can they beat him" as the power scaling in Dragonball is kind of silly.
@@demomanchaos kind of? Its a fucking mess, its like the inflation in GTAO or like the Venezuela’s inflation.
Characters were massively nerfed at the beginning of Dragonball Z.
In the original Dragonball, Muten Roshi blew up the moon just about as fast as Piccolo with a Kamehameha to transform kid Goku back from being a great ape.
On top of that, there is a scene where withing the blink of a second a whole fight exchange happens beween Kuririn and Roshi. They both performed at what would have been FTL speeds.
If you take that kind of power scaling, Blast would have at least a slight difficulty in dealing with them :D
On the other hand both Roshi and Kuririn have fine tuned the physical abilities they have after breaking the human barrier.
Vegeta and Nappa probably never optimised their fighting because they could just strife for more power. Maybe they are significantly stronger than the humans but with much less refined feats.
I'd just like to make a slight correction to Vegeta's AP, due to you using anime feats as seen with Vegeta blowing up Arlia, it's important to note that Vegeta scales above his father, King Vegeta, who blew up three planets with one casual attack while possessing a power level of 10,000. So Vegeta would possibly scale to a similar AP as Garou's Jupiter destroying feat.
Everything else was done superbly, you really did a great job so I have nothing to add.
Child Emperor made a "scouter" that went up to 9999 (but only counted for raw power);
A normal person is around 30~40 with this device (he measured a normal girl);
The scouter measured a normal person to have 5 power level.
So, we just have to say:
Scouter 5 points = 35 points in OPM device
So, we applying the rule of three to discover how much Raditz max. raw power measures in OPM universe, we know he measures 1200 by the scouter (and he can't pass 1200 in the manga, since he is always impressed by the power fluctuation of Goku, Piccolo and Gohan). Then we have:
5 ----- 35
1200 ----- x
42000 = 5x
x = 42000 / 5
x = 8400
Raditz would measure in 8400 in Child's Emperor device, he can't even reach the limit of 9999. At that same time they fought a monster who measured 8000 if I am not mistaken. I believe this monster could be easily defeated by any S class hero since some A class heroes were already fighting it.
Which means Raditz is actually not a treath, maybe he is to Puri Puri prisoner. That group of A class heroes who fought Garou could take Raditz, since some A class heroes were measured between 1.000 and 2.000 by Child Emperor's device.
Nappa measures 4.000 by the scouter. It gives 28.000 by Child Emperor's device.
Vegeta measures 18.000 by the scouter. Giving 126.000 by Child Emperor's device.
Child's Emperor device is still flawed since it only measures raw strengh... but by these numbers and by the difference of power we can observe, I assume the S class heroes CAN beat Nappa. The difference of some A class heroes who were ranked 2.000 points to the likes of Flashy Flash, Atomic Samurai and Superalloy Darkshine are beyound insane. The device wouldn't do Atomic Samurai and Flashy Flash justice, but it would for certain rank Superalloy Darkshine way way way above the 10.000 mark... or anyone can see that 8.000 monster giving Darkshine a scratch?
Since we WERE presented with those exact numbers in both mangas (Dragon Ball Z and One Punch Man), there is no way a Saibaman can hurt Superalloy Darkshine. Darkshine can pretty much easily solo all Saibaman.
After these numbers I strongly believe the S class heroes would advance to fight Vegeta without any major loss (maybe Puri Puri Prisoner, Metal Bat mand Tank Top Master if they interfere with Superalloy Darkshine, Flashy Flash, Bang and Atomic Samurai's battle with Nappa). With the help of Blast against vegeta it is just a win for the heroes.
You made two mistakes here.
First one is: the regular dragonball person with a powelevel of 5 was a fully grown man, that worked as a farmer.
And an average male farmer is ca twice as strong as an average city girl.
Therefore you should also Raditzs opm powerlevel should also be ca twice as high.
Second one: the scouter only messures the ki level of a person and that farmer had ki, but was not able to use his ki.
And there is a huge powerdifference between a person that can use it and a person that cant.
For example Piccolo, who can use his ki and had a powerlevel somewhere between 300 and 1500 was able to blow up the entire moon.
300 Framer however arent even close to being able to destroy the moon.
Ki and energy ouptut is not 1:1 toriyama just put bigger numbers without thinking about powerscaling
It’s 1 in the morning, and I’ve been playing a lot of Risk of Rain 2, so I thought this was the Sayains vs all Risk of Rain 2 characters
2:46 people forget that even ROSHI could destroy the moon
My biggest issue is Yajirobe slicing Vegeta twice, his tail and then his back through the armor. If he can do that with a random katana (sorry, dont know/remember if if his sword is special or not) then Atomic Samurai could do the same, since the sword didnt break.
We don’t know anything about the sword Yajirobe uses but it wouldn’t matter ultimately. Yajirobe has a power level above Goku’s Super Kamehameha which can shatter the moon it’s way above anything any S-Class but Tatsumaki could do
@@Professor_Fiction personally, I don’t see his strength being relevant, not too mention he was just wildly swinging, because IF his sword is just a sword then the swordmaster is going to sashimi them as Atomic is miles above Yajirobe in technique. All the strength in the world isn’t going to make a regular katana cut through a tree without breaking.
All that aside, their armor sucks. Lol
@@lilbirdmuse8938 swords work weirdly in DBZ
Short answer Napa solos while vegeta is in the back giving a speech about how they can’t beat sayian pride
Dear god dragon ball power scaling is bs
I laughed when I saw this dragon ball was planetary at the start
You ok bro? In DBZ a Pl of 10k is required to destroy a planet. And king Vegeta with 13k pl Destroyed 3 exo planets with ease and Vegeta has pl of 18k. Blast is arguably planatery, he has no multi planet feat as of now. Saiyan saga Vegeta bullies s class heroes
@@tobiassangma2345 Blast is Star to Solar System buddy. Boros alone is planetary and Blast negs Boros. Also Blast reacted to current Saitama in rage mode, which makes him faster than Season 1 Saitama
Possible scenario:
Raditz arrives to “scout” the planet for possible conquest. He comes into contact with the HA as they classify him initially as a Demon level threat and he fights against some A and B Class heroes along the way, no-diffing them. Eventually, some S Class Heroes get involved, probably PP Prisoner, Genos, Metal Bat, TT Master, and maybe Child Emperor and Bang, who ultimately manage to “out smart” Raditz and secure a victory with his defeat.
They then have about a year to prep before Nappa and Vegeta arrives where Child Emperor, Drive Knight, Genos, and Metal Knight make preparations and upgrades, etc. etc. etc.
When Nappa and Vegeta arrived, Nappa goes on a rampage and the HA instantly declares them a Dragon level threat. The S-Class heroes immediately intervene and Metal Knight and Child Emperors preparations are activated. This prompts Nappa to unleash the Saitaman who begin piecing the heroes apart, tho I can see a scenario where individuals like Flashy Flash, Genos, Bang, Atomic Samurai and especially Tatsumaki are able to kill someone. Saitama might also intervene and kill some Saibaman and have funny dialogue with Nappa and Vegeta or some shit. Finally, the S Class heroes manage to defeat all the Saibaman (in actuality it was just Saitama), and they all gang up on Nappa. This is where we see a tough fight similar to how the Heroes fought against Psycho-orochi, and with some impressive coordination between the heavy hitters, they probably manage to gain the advantage over Nappa, embarrassing him in Vegeta’s eyes, who proceeds to kill him.
Vegeta then steps in and slaps around the how VERY weekend heroes, before he briefly faces off against King. There’s some comedic interaction where Vegeta attacks King but it’s blocked/countered by an intervention from Saitama or Blast, which everyone else around mistaken for an impressive feat from King himself.
Eventually there’s an engagement between Blast and Vegeta, where Blast is initially overwhelmed by Vegeta’s power but instantly counters with his teleportation/gravity hax. They have a scuffle where Vegeta is obviously more powerful destructively, but his attacks are hard-countered by Blast. Vegeta than results to using his Great Ape form for more power and begins decimating the battle field, promoting Saitama to intervene out of curiosity where they trade some heavy blows, prompting Blast to teleport them off the planet. They have a similar engagement to how Saitama and Garou’s battle went, though obviously different in pacing, but in the end Saitama gains the upper hand, punishes Vegeta back on earth. Then someone, probably Bang, Atomic Samurai, Flashy Flash, Genos, or Sonic, cut off Vegeta’s tail. Defeated, Vegeta retreats and leave the earth.
Though it was Saitama and Blast’s intervention that ultimately lead to Vegeta’s defeat, the whole world praises King instead.
The end.
Goku definitely can but the rest of z fighters idk
goku needed gohan, krillin, and yajiroibe's help. goku would get soloed by great ape vegeta mid diff hadn't yajirobe present to cut his tail off.
@@nameisname5566 I’m talking about z fighters vs boros
I hate how everyone ignores the fact that the physics and logic in DBZ and other animes is just not the same, in DBZ planets are unrealistically fragile.
Let me explain, in DBZ, it seems like all you gotta do is damage the core and with that you destroy the planet which ends up exploding sooner or later depending on how severe the damage inflicted to the core was.
That being said, that's not how planets work at all lmao, not only in real life, but also not in most other Animes.
If you damage the core of a planet or throw a huge blast of energy that goes very deep, it will cause very extreme volcanism everywhere, weaken or mess big time with the magnetic field of the planet, ridiculous earth quakes, ridiculous tsunamis, heat up the surface of the planet so much that most things die, etc. But the planet would not explode at all like it's shown many times in DBZ when Vegeta destroys a planet (which is not canon btw, another mistake of the video) or when Freezer destroys Namek or planet Vegeta. If DBZ had realistic astrophysics, then freezer would have not destroyed namek, would have not destroyed planet vegeta... In the sense of making the planets blow up and disappear from existence just by damaging the core lol
So there you go, because you didn't take that into consideration just as most people (if not literally everyone) doesn't, the entire análisis is wrong.
Pretty much saiyans would just need to destroy the planet and instant win since no heros can survive vacuum of space while vegeta being willing to do it means he would have survived and could survive until his ship comes back or a pick up arrives
The Saiyans cannot survive in space either
@@tonyhawksproskater2406yeah but we already saw Vegeta was willing to go out with the planet if it meant avoiding a loss. Lol
@@mr.mcklockwork3828 they can survive in space but its not been stated how long for, kind of like saitama.
Saiyans can't breathe in space, they need oxygen, which is fucking stupid btw. Imagine being "multiversal" capable of destroying galaxies and universes but can die by drowning.
@@kimsalinas1993 they can survive in space, we have seen them talking and fighting in space, bardock fights frieza, vegeta blows up bug planet, broly creates a bubble to travel through space and goku fights beerus, but we are never shown or told for how long this can happen, if they destroyed a galaxy then yeah they are screwed but planet hoping, that should be doable.
Imagine someone like Darkshine or even just Suiryu harnessing Ki. At that point, people would say Suiryu is just Boros in disguise.
Like Boros watched too much Invader Zim or some shit.
It's wired how the animation styles makes dragon ball seem much weaker but thinking about it they are crazy strong
The moment before disaster: "SO NOW LETS TALK ABOUT CELL SE-
kool video idea, i haven't thought of this outcome before
long answer: watch the video
short answer: saiyans win
man I want to see Boros regenerate after his ship blows up and go hero
Dude…. Even just the Napa ghost from Dbz abridged could solo this… no doubt
Sad thing is Blast carry S-class😭
Majin buu just has to manage connecting his Candy beam and it’s over
Yea I think Tatsumaki would take out the Saibamen… and I don’t think Child emperor would die to them, but Vegeta would find him and have Nappa take him out and have fun… then Metal Knight would get whooped… idk if Zombieman dies? But he couldn’t win. Also, just based on how it goes, you’d have to say they fight Garou if the scenario is them showing up to their planet. (But then you’re just getting nitpicky and that never stops…)
Basically, interesting unbiased take, but that’s why I hate analyzing different universes “powers” or “who’s stronger?” Each story is just different and it’s not like science and physics are actually considered when they tell the story for most of them. But neat!
I hate DB power explanations and display. They SAY they destroyed worlds, but then when they throw a punch with obvious effort, it barely blows a hole in a mountain.
Ki control
Damn, powercreep hit like a truck even at the start of Z.
They was moving over a million times the speed of light around Jupiter’s moon.
S Class: Faster
Nappa: EXPLOSION!!!
Blast carries heavily. Everyone else gets slaughtered.
I would watch Z-fighters vs Boros aka saiyan saga Goku vs Boros. My own personal guess is Goku needs to be at end of Namek to beat Boros though.
Blast will teleport them to space and as goku stated that saiyans cannot survive in outer space, all the saiyans will die
Vegeta would have no answer to Tatsumaki. As GT showed, his main weakness is adorable, short, flat chested girls who like to nag.
Love the bantering m8!
I do Believe Tatsumaki is stronger than explained in the video.
She might be the one to stop the Saiyans on entry.
She wouldn't. The only characters in OPM that would survive, even King Piccolo, would be Cosmic Garou, and Saitama. The only argument would be that, if you squint really hard, some of the top tier characters like Blast might have a slight edge in speed. But that is being incredibly generous to the OPM characters, and incredibly harsh on the DB characters.
@@ikeillue8385 lol Blast clears 90% of early dbz.
@@seanao32 Based on what? Short of Saitama and Garou, nothing in OPM has any feats that would make them a challenge for even King Piccolo. I mean, Friggin Roshi vaporized the moon, then continued fighting like it was nothing. On the other hand Tatsumaki and psykos fighting did what? Cut through a continent sized chunk of the Earth? Even if Blast were 10x that powerful, he might match up to Roshi blowing up the moon.
@@ikeillue8385 We literally see Blast react to angry Saitama and Garou and briefly contain the serious punch square, which eclipses anything shown in early Buu saga and below lmao.
@@seanao32 Briefly contain? No. He merely aimed it. Also that only eclipses everything before that point, if you don't look at Diazenshuu. Using what the Diazenshuu tells us about the Dragon Ball cosmology, Cell saga characters already completely outclass even Saitama.
I'd love to see the Saiyans vs My Hero Academia and the Justice League.
"go go gadget pocket saitama"
-King, probably
King Vs Hercule is a fight I would watch
If a saiyan found the god cube they would love and be like bitch im already powerful, then toss it aside. 😂
Depends on Blast, only because we know close to nothing about him. The rest are useless. Even Tornado is useless. Remember, Vegeta in Saiyan saga was a planet buster (galick gun). And that's not using the Monkey form, which multiplies the power by 10. Even Nappa was a casual city buster -- probably a continent buster. And if he were to become the Monkey, he'd be able to planet bust with ease.
Oh, and Vegeta was able to TANK a planet buster x1.3 (Galick gun and Kaioken 3 were even, and V took Kaioken 4). And with minimal damage. Now, ealier in the saga, Nappa said that Earth was a very small planet. Still, that's way above anything S class can dish out.