The reason people say "the 80's was real bball" is because thats when they started to watch it and when you first watch something you want it to stay the same
I bet you treasure those two bronze medals the 2000s won for you. The 2000s were a joke and are the reason today's NBA is so soft. Stern changed the rules to increase scoring because the early 2000s teams could not score.
80s ball was the best. You could compile multiple lists of great players the list is endless. You had the combination of insane offense but also physical defenses. The game was also treated like a sport but still possessed a balance of flash and unique play and entertainment. Not like today where it's just focused on entertainment rather than the balance that the 80s had
I love 2000’s era basketball! I love how most of the players wore headbands, baggy uniforms, and their hairstyles were braids, and hardly wore gear and just went plane jersey and shorts
Same here. The fashion was awesome. I get called an oldhead because I dress like a 2000s baller. You know baggy white tee, baggy jersey, baggy shorts, high top shoes, etc.
if you check stat, today's new fans will say: wow, how suck Kobe was, he was not an efficient scorer, his average FG% not even reach today's league average. and those fans probably never watched Kobe at his prime, just like you, never watched games in 90s.
I've been watching NBA basketball since the late 70's, and for me the 1980's is the best era. Magic and Bird arrived at the same time in 79-80 and basically saved the NBA from folding. The NBA had an image problem, a money problem, a drug problem, a television problem, and these two men almost by themselves got the league on stable footing. Today's NBA has those guys to thank, among others, just for the survival of the league. As for the on the court of play, the 80's NBA was still a man's league that had the best and biggest rivalries that the 90's, 2000's, or the 2010's can't stack up with when vying for the NBA World Championship. The early 80's LA Lakers with Kareem, Magic, Coop, Nixon, Wilkes, Rambis, and McAdoo facing the Philadelphia 76ers in 80, 82, and 83 with the likes of Dr. J, Moses Malone, Bobby Jones, Mo Cheeks, Andrew Toney, and Darryl Dawkins. With the arrival of Moses, Philly swept the Lakers in 83, and the good Doctor finally got his ring! Dr. J was so fluid and graceful in his moves and had a heart of a Lion! But Showtime was up and running when Magic hit LA, and took the game to a whole different level just like that! Everyone was on board in the early 80's. The Star Power was here! Wait a second, there was another team in the East that was pretty good as well...The Boston Celtics. Bird, McHale, Parrish, Tiny Archibald, Ced Maxwell, Gerald Henderson, and then later Dennis Johnson, Ainge, and Bill Walton. Those Celtics teams had to duke it out with Philly to just to get a crack at the Lakers in the Finals in 80, 81, 82, and 85. Those matchups were intense as it could get. Fighting, scratching, choking each other to reach the NBA Finals. Boston was a very skilled team, but they were rough and a little dirty at times also. But Larry Bird was an assassin, he did everything great on the basketball court. The Lakers then added James Worthy and Byron Scott to fill out their core in the mid to late 80's, and were able to win a total of five NBA titles. The Celtics won three NBA titles in 81, 84, and 86, and faced the Lakers in 84, 85, and 87. Those Laker vs. Celtics matchups are All-Time Classics, it doesn't get any better than that. The sheer determination and will displayed by those two teams is legendary! The Houston Rockets went to the NBA Finals in 81 and 86, losing to Boston both times. The Rockets had dominant centers, Moses in 81 and Olajuwon in 86. Allen Leavell and Robert Reid played on both squads, and in 81 fill out with Dunleavy, Rudy T, and Calvin Murphy. In 86 the Rockets had Sampson, John Lucas, Rodney McCray, and Craig Ehlo. The Houston Rockets were the only other Western Conference team to make it to the NBA Finals in the 80's besides the Lakers. That is quite an accomplishment! The Milwaukee Bucks won six straight Central division titles from 81 thru 86, and made three Eastern Conference Finals appearances in 83, 84, and 86, either losing to the 76ers or the Celtics. The Bucks were a very good basketball team that just couldn't reach the NBA Finals due to the star power and firepower of Philly and Boston. The Bucks had dudes too though. Sidney Moncrief, Terry Cummings, Ricky Pierce, Paul Pressey, and guys like Marques Johnson, Quinn Buckner, Junior Bridgeman, Bob Lanier, Paul Mokeski, Mike Dunleavy, and Randy Brewer. All these players contributed to lots of winning at the Mecca in Milwaukee. And around this time, in 84, that kid called Michael Jordan came onto the NBA scene, and only became the Greatest Basketball player EVER!! Then the Detroit Pistons climbed into the scene in 86-87 as the next Eastern Conference team to contend with, and also the next team to win it all. The Detroit Pistons closed out the 80's being in the Eastern Conference Finals in 87,88, and 89. The "Bad Boy" Pistons, led by Isiah Thomas and Bill Laimbeer, along with Joe Dumars, Dennis Rodman, Vinnie Johnson, John Salley, Mark Aguirre, James Edwards, Rick Mahorn, along with a big contribution from Adrian Dantley, had a huge rivalry with Boston and Chicago in the East, and with the Lakers in the NBA Finals. The Pistons had to lose to Boston first in 87, then beat Boston and Chicago and lose to LA in the 88 Finals , then beat Boston, Chicago, and LA in 89 for the NBA World title. I watched all of those playoff series, whether it was Detroit vs. Boston, Detroit vs. Chicago, Detroit vs. LA...THEY WERE BRUTAL!! The Celtics looked down on the Pistons, so Detroit had to become rough, physical, use psychology, employ intimidation tactics, just to compete at that level because basketball skills and a high I.Q. wasn't going to be good enough against that Celtic machine. The Pistons should of had them in 87, but finally overcame them in 88. And in the meantime Detroit had too use those tactics in keeping Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, and the rest of the baby Bulls at bay by the end of the 80's...and they did. They applied "The Jordan Rules", (which are locked in a secret vault), to harass, knock down, beat up, shove, bump, push, foul, and make MJ pass out of doubles, funnel him to the help in the middle, and use multiple players guarding him like Dumars and Rodman. Those tactics worked thru the end of the 80's. Isiah Thomas made sure he wasn't going to be left out of the NBA championship picture. With his will, skill, determination, and refuse to lose attitude, Isiah and the Detroit Pistons have a head to head win lead over Boston, Chicago, and LA during their playoff wars. The Detroit Pistons vs. The Los Angeles Lakers to end the 1980's was as great as the beginning of the decade when you had the Lakers vs. Philly or Boston, a fierce rivalry to see who is the best in the NBA. 1988 had Detroit up 3-2 coming back to LA. Game 6 was gonna be for the win. Isiah badly sprains his ankle driving to the hoop in the 3rd quarter, still plays and delivers 26 points in that same quarter, a Finals record, but it came down to the last 30 seconds. Pistons up by one, ball swings to Kareem for the skyhook...and a PHANTOM foul called on Bill Laimbeer to give Kareem two foul shot, which he made, to seal a one point win for LA. Game 7 was hard fought but with a gimpy Isiah, the Pistons just didn't have quite enough, losing by 3. Detroit would be the best team in the NBA in 89 from start to finish, sweeping the Lakers in the NBA Finals, with a little karma coming back on LA as they were hit with a injury bug with Byron being out and Magic going out in game 2...It wouldn't have mattered anyway. The 90's, 2000's, 2010's NBA does not have those fierce rivalries that the 1980's had. It was a different time, a different place, and a different game. It was a special time and a special place because of all these great teams with all these great players needed each other to make it must see TV all season long, but especially in the playoffs. The vast majority of players back then stayed with their team for most of their careers, unless a trade was made that propelled you to championship competition. It's not must see TV all year long anymore. Sorry Bud...You can use all your stats, rule changes, style of play differences all you want. For me it is called the EYE BALL TEST, and since I have watching the NBA for over 40 years, The 1980's are THE BEST DECADE IN NBA HISTORY!!
I'm 40+...watched entire seasons since 1984...I would say that this Era has the best quality ...most beautiful...most athletic basketball...hate to say it...but it's true
I think it's the best based off the unpredictability of who was going to win the finals. Compared to the 80's, 90's and 2010s where it's been either lakers, Celtics, bulls, Lebron and golden state warriors. And yeah lakers won 3 in the beginning of the 00's but they didn't dominate the entire decade. Personally since I value the post position and physicality I like the 90's, that era had the best player feuds too (besides bird and magics classic rivalry)
Being born in 1999 was a gift, I was able to watch these as a kid with the most enthusiastic point of view and now being 21 this era wasn't too far so I can revisit it as a young man and appreciate what made my childhood awesome and appreciate the finer things I may have missed growing up
Illegal defense is always ignored because it benefitted 90s players and fans don't like to act like the game was easier in way. But it forces offensive players to beat team defenses. Which is why I hold a little knock on MJs stats, cause 32-37 points basically playing that 1v1 iso for entire games isn't as impressive as 30-35 against team D. And hand checking also forces defenders to actually be skilled. Now you gotta play Great D on great scorers. Putting your hands on him when you're beat is a cheap way out.
you do know mj at 39 was still cooking people which is in the 2000s mj still would put up 30 easily espically if now you can't touch him he simply the goat.
dan t your not serious he was old as hell yet still outplayed some of the guards, prime Jordan would murder guards don't even try to disrespect the goat.
32-37 ppg also while worrying about his safety lol. He had to score over legit big men and while being shoved the whole time. I'll play with the zone. A guy Iike mj (whose offense continually evolved) would've figired that out.
The era had the least possessions per game of all time and still, so many great players put up such great stats. Many of the guys from the 2000s would have killed in this era especially guys like Shaq, Kobe, Tmac, and AI with the spacing in today's game would average unbelievable numbers.
I'm glad someone finally pointed out how much impact Zone defense had on the NBA. The good old days when most teams all had their own star player, the all star game was enjoyable and intense and the competition in the West was crazy. Being a 50 win team might not even have gotten you the 8th seed in the west.
Bro, I have studied the NBA my whole life and I appreciate your analysis and studying you do as well. I'm known for debating nba and I may not agree with every point you make but you do your homework which many don't. Keep up the great work and I'll always be watching man
It's the best era to me simply cuz its the generation that made me fall in love with the game.. Kobe, TMac, A.I., Vince Carter, Steve Francis.. Those were the days boy
The best generation is about to come. All these young players entering the league, will explode after 2020, lavine, russel, etc..yall know all the young players that are beasts now, imagine in a few years! The nba will stay kn good hands.
idk in 2020 I feel like its just going to be all 3 points which will be boring I mean the top two big man in last years draft are good 3 point shooters which is insane for 3 point shooters and all the guards are good 3 point shooters
2000's literally had every type of basketball player that you can think of. The only thing that was missing was that bigs weren't shooting 3's yet. There were multiple teams in the league that could play elite defense as well. The NBA is probably in it's worst era of defense currently.
They Could shoot 3s though!! ray, Allen Peja, Stoakovic, Tracy, McGrady, Steve Nash, white chocolate, Jason Williams, Dirk Nowitzki, plenty of three point shooters
You only think that because offenses are so dominant today. You transport a top defense today back to the 2000s and the defenses would not only be more dominant, but it would be relatively easy.
Great video, you forgot to mention players like Manu Ginobli. Andre Iquodala, Chris Bosh, Baron Davis, Steven Jackson, Jason Richardson(basically those beast warriors) Gilbert Arenas, Chancey Billups (great player) Rondo kinda counts, Steve Francis, All Harrington was good. etc etc you can go on. That era was pretty stacked!
most of these guards and forwards listed only make the hall because of the rule changes. Without the rule changes most of the wings today would be unable to get their own shots.
LoW I completely agree with all of your points. The 2000s is the best era of all time, I even believe that the NBA is getting better and better each year. I remember talking to my brother back in 2009-10. I said that next year is going to be one of the best NBA seasons of all time, and I've been saying that ever since lol. Just look at last year. Warriors 24-0 start and 73-9 record, Kobe's final game, one of the best dunk contests, Steph's unbelievable year, Cavs becoming the first team ever to come back from a 3-1 deficit in the Finals and doing that against the 73-9 Warriors. LeBron leading in every category etc etc. The NBA is just getting better each year. What a time to be alive.
DJKHALEDGOAT LeBron lead in points, assists AND rebounds in 2015 too when Bogut was healthy, he averaged 7.3 more rebounds per game then and averaged 7.3 more this year too. And blocks has nothing to do with Bogut's health. And if you wanna look at their total blocks through games 1 to 5: LeBron 10 and Bogut 10. So both of your arguments are bs.
***** After mentioning that I found the 2000s the best era I was talking about the years after 2010. Then I mentioned the great things of last year alone, which has nothing to do with the 2000s nor did I compare the 2010s to any other era and say that it is better. Those 'random accomplishments' were just things about last year.
I didn't say you compared the post-2010 era to the 2000's. I understand what you're saying but again, the strength of era is based on how the game is played. Not all of the records and accomplishments because every era has had incredible feats occur.
Maybe I'm alone on this but I would say the 70's was the best era. Mainly just because of the competitive balance, 8 different teams win a chip in 10 years.
all these arguments are fine. Watching the NBA since the late 80s the only thing i wish for the game, is to keep producing Big Mens, Centers etc who can post up and of course i'm a bit worried about the amount of 3point shots players attempt, I hope bball games wont turn to 3point contests. love your videos -thanx
Not surprising a lot of people say 90's was the best because mj was in it. Competition in the 00 decade was really tough especially in the west. There were at least 4 legit title contenders in the west regularly. Lakers, Spurs, Mavericks & Kings. The western conference was brutal. Dirk Nowitzki is one of the best players I've ever seen. But he won't get the respect because so much people focus on wins & rings. A 7 ft power forward that can go inside & outside. Pretty much unguardable.
the late 2000 begins an era where great players start to bolt their teams during their prime to form super team. From Lebron to Carmelo to D-Will to CP3 etc...
Im happy you broke down the whole "physicality" thing ppl who are lovers of 80s and 90s like to bring up cuz literally that shit they was doing defensively took no skill at all "u go in the lane u get pummeled" like damn bro so if i beat somebody off the dribble all the defender has to do is push me down and now hes an "elite defender" ?
Loved the video, 90's was my personal favorite and you made a lot of great points, though In my opinion your weakest point you made was how because era's only had 2 MVP's that some how made them inferior to the 2000's where the league had multiple MVP's. Jordan and Malone and Hakeem we're just THAT good, but that still didn't take away from any other players in that era, because there was A LOT of talent even in other eras. Throughout the 90's I mean you have Magic, Jordan, Charles, Karl, The Admiral, and Hakeem, I mean thats pretty spread out in my opinion going with the era that has arguably the greatest player of all time.
If you get Philly vs GSW that will likely be the most top players and future MvPs to ever be on the court at the same time outside of national teams and All-star teams Curry Klay Durrant Simmons Embiid Butler Cousins that specifically will make it like you used to dream as a kid top players vs top players, and the original purpose of the All-star game.
The best Era in NBA basketball history by far and should be unanimously agreed is the 1990's. Heck even the 1980's was better than the 2000's era. No other era in basketball will come close to that. Jordan and Pippen with the Bulls, Ewing Starks Oakley with the Knicks, Barkley KJ Majerle with the Suns, Olajuwon and the Rockets, O'Neal and Penny Hardaway with the Magic, Tim Hardaway and Mourning with the Heat, Miller with the Pacers, Kemp and Payton with the Sonics, Robinson Duncan and Elliot with the Spurs, Malone and Stockton with the Jazz, I could go on and on with the players and team rivalries that were beyond epic!!! Bulls-Knicks Heat-Knicks Pacers-Knicks Bulls-Pacers Rockets-Spurs Suns-Rockets I COULD KEEP GOING ON WITH THESE RIVALRIES WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANYMORE BECAUSE PLAYERS NOWADAYS KEEP SWITCHING TEAMS!!!!!
Now someone with some basketball knowledge and common scene. Obviously you actually watched the games in the 90's and not the highlights. When I watch games now, yes they have very skilled players, but the lack of physicality has totally altered the game skews stats and the way the game is played. We have really good shooters now, but bad shot blockers and rebounders. Rarely do you see players box out and grab rebounds which fundamentally so easy. The word rim protector didn't exist in the 90's because that's what a center job was period . These defenses are not complex like one commentor mentioned. Defense is played with heart and desire. So many of these players now come out of school too early before they are properly developed, but this is a generation of immediate satisfaction and most will not understand what I mean...but I think you do. The Phoenix team with Barkley and KJ would probably be the best team right now...I'm just sayin
The 90s, I agree. The 80s were not. That's just old man talk, the same way old men swear 80s rap is the best. The 90s, were great in bball and hip hop. 80s were alright..
2000s Steve Nash’s passing Shaq’s back down post hooks Dirk Nowitzki’s one leg fadeaways Allen Iverson’s crossovers Lebron James’s drives to the rim & bully ball Paul Pierce’s step back fade away Kevin Garnett’s passion & intensity Vince Carter’s dunks Dwayne Wades steals & fast breaks Kobe Bryant’s shimmy fade away shot The 2000s players had different personalities & identities & play styles & uniqueness to them , nowadays…every player can shoot, every one plays the same & just jacks up threes . …boring .
Physicality/Flopping alone is why the 2000s can't possible be the best era. it's borderline soccer out there sometimes. and if me and anyone else who play pickup ball (the purest form of the game) can handle handchecking, a few bows, and some trash talk, then why can't millionaires who spend their whole year bulking up and taking vitamins take a few bumps in the name of the game? honestly, it comes off like you love the the 2000s cause that's when you actually started paying attention to the game.
Kobe Shaq Timmy D KG Dirk AI T Mac Nash Kidd Lebron yao steve Francis D wade jermaine pau odom CP3 D12 PP Vince melo ray ray c webb agent zero Brandon Roy Michael redd baron davis chauncy rich Big Ben artest gerald the lakers celtics rivalry, electrifying suns team, shaq and frobe duo, "Kobe how my ass taste," spurs dynasty, j will c webb peja kings, Vc Kidd nets, pistons/lakers upset, kobes 05-06, Yao tmac rockets, dusty mj comeback, 04 pacers... Damn I miss the 2000's
I’d say it’s between the 80s and 00s for best era. 80s had the most great teams like the Celtics, Sixers, Lakers, Pistons, and the 2000s had the most great talent at the same time in their prime of close to it: Shaq, TD, Kobe, KG, Dirk, T Mac, VC, Iverson, Wade, young Lebron, Young KD, CP3. Many say the 90s because of Jordan but overall it was not that great. Expansion diluted the league, most of the great 90s players were in the 80s anyway they just couldn’t win in the 80s and that includes MJ. Shaq and D Rob were the only new top 20 all time level that arrived in the 90s. Duncan came right at the end, and Kobe and KG were not prime yet. Teams that could not compete in the 80s were contenders in the 90s. By the late 2000s the game started getting soft. The 2010s may have the most players that can shoot 3s and tall guys that can handle the ball but almost all of the physicality has been removed and an offensive player can literally side jump into a defender and get to the line. Plus the competition is a joke you have 1 team with 40% of the West all stars and the East is a joke outside of 2 teams.
Most players didnt back down for 5 seconds anyway. If fact the only player who did that was Barkley. They change rules like "Hand checking" and made it illegal to impede the progress of a player driving to the hoop specifically to make more Jordan type players. They lost ratings when Jordan left in 93 and the again in 98. To keep fans entertained, they made it much easier to perimeter players to drive to the hoop and dunk. (eliminating physical play and implementing a defensive 3 seconds violation) Jordan was a natural at doing that in his physical era. Players post-rule changes are faux at it. I would have loved to seen a league when Prime MJ, Drexler and Dominique with today's batty-boy like rules. To be honestly, I believe the 2000's were the worst decade for basketball.
Ok but at the same time zone defense made it harder for Jordan type players who iso a lot just like T-Mac said. Jordan would have been forced to beat a better defensive game-plan going against him. Jordan would've been double or triple teamed a lot more and forced to rely on his teammates more.
To be honest how many Jordan type players were able to dominate in the 2000's in terms of a lot winning. The only ones I can think of is Kobe maybe D-Wade, and they even had times when the didn't even make the playoffs.
Golden.Boy SMH, all you need is a consistent jumpshot to defend the zone. Even players with absolutely no jumpshots can defeat the zone with these bitchtified impede the progress of a player rules. Players like Rondo destroys the myth of a zone being a form of great "advanced" defense. Players like Nash were nobodies before the rule changes. The rule changes turned Steve Nash into a legend... Running in and out up and under the lane without being touched. Jordan would averaged 60ppg with these rules.
Rule change didn't turn Nash into a legend: Suns' "7 Seconds or Less" offense did, which was the ultimate weapon against zone. It opened the way for pace and space offensive systems. Also, tons of players played back-to-basket back in the day cus it was next to impossible to send help from the weak side and players weren't fast enough to come help anyway. Your totally wrong about that. Which is harder: dealing with multiple defenders in your way or play 1on1 back-to-basket all day?
Kenneth Donnelly SMH, all you need is a consistent jumpshot to defend the zone. Even players with absolutely no jumpshots can defeat the zone with these bitchtified impede the progress of a player rules. Players like Rondo destroys the myth of a zone being a form of great "advanced" defense. Players like Nash were nobodies before the rule changes. The rule changes turned Steve Nash into a legend... Running in and out up and under the lane without being touched. Jordan would averaged 60ppg with these rules
It's not cool steeling ideas from smaller youtubers, LOW. BasketballWithSteve made this video first and you just copied EVERYTHING! You have no right talking about LNU steeling ideas because you do it too.
nah the 90s were weak as far as talent. The guys from the 80s that carries over into the 90s werent great outside of the elites like Jordan, Barkelt, Stockton etc. The new guys drated in the 90 who played in the 2000s were way more talented.
4 reasons the 90s was the best era for basketball 1. you had more superstars with longer careers 2. no 1 and done atitude so more players came in ready to play unlike now where half the draft will end up in the d league at some point 3.1996 was the best draft class of all time 4. the 90s had MJ!!!! in his prime
Jermaine l nash, iverson, bryant , ray allen, all where on there way in the 90s its just that alotta players from the 80s where still around getting most the shine like hakeem, Barkley, Malone, Jordan, and Pippen to name a few...if you think about the same thing is going on right now your biggest stars for the most part are from 2003 and up but its way less around today from the early 2000's then the amount of talent that lingered around from the 90s
1996 class are 00s players idiot.their peaks and most of their careers and accomplishments were in the 00s.kobe just retired,vince, ,pierce,grant hill,shaq,KG,tim duncan,jason kid,ray allen,steve nash.All had 18+ year careers and some of them are still playing.So your argument is sooo incredibly invalid.
The 2000s is the second worst era in NBA history. Even ignoring the analysts, this is the same era that had a 39 year-old Michael Jordan still drop at a slight dip. A lot of your points focused on one of very rudimentary aspects of the game. The 2000s was the little brother of the 1991-1995 "over-coached" era. The only point I'll give out of the 2000s is that it bred a a better stock of defenders due to the fact they had limited weapons to utilize against on-ball opponents ... and even LESS on off-ball opponents due to the rule changes. You're not even getting into how the "widening of the lane" and the "5 second rule" pretty much killed the center position or relegated it to a "up sticks" role and made it a cutter/passer league. If they narrowed the lane again, a lot of the Guards and cutting Forwards today would have a Hell of a time not getting clotheslined by spit. The 2000s paved the way for the "artificial Jordans" to shine, so don't blame the 90s rule for encouraging ISO 1v3 scenarios. If anything, they put the shine: you could tell who was the star and who wasn't. You put Larry Bird in today's league, he'd burn everyone. Mid-range shot at a high efficiency, smart rebounding and boxing out. Simmons said the 90s would have been cruel to Larry if he didn't switch to a Guard position, but that didn't make the 90s superior, either. The 90s just didn't have a lot of players that required the realigning of the rules. Only era worse is the 70s, and I don't need to get into that one. Everyone knows how bad the era was. People say "60s was white guys thinking they can play ball just because they broke 6'2"' or the baby steps of the 50s didn't see the docs on how bad the 70s were.
Lol that's why Jordan only attempted to guard AI 1 time and that was the last time even his PEDs couldn't help him against AI 96 draft short circuited all your overhyped 80s stars
Though I'm a 90's fan you made really good arguments so I can't disagree. Laimbeer was a good example, probably the best you could take. Zone defense or not, hand checking or not, I don't care. But what I miss most of all from the days before malice at the palace: 1) You could not win a championship if you could be intimidated. In other terms, you had to be physically and mentally tough to win a championship. That's what I appreciated as a fan. And to all those people who say 90's league was watered down: First of all I disagree, second of all basketball is watered down since the rule changes so what are you talking about? 2) Rule changes included that taunting and trash talking is forbidden now. Ah, that one makes me really mad, one of the most entertaining parts of the game taken away... 3) Particularly those two points made the big rivalries so entertaining to watch. Pacers - Knicks, Lakers - Celtics in the 80's, Celtics - 76ers, Celtics - Pistons, Bulls - Pistons, Bulls - Knicks, 1996 finals, those were awesome games to watch. Though I'm more interested in basketball now than in the 90's, nowadays I don't really mind not watching a finals' game live whereas for those games I would have taken half a day off from work even for a conference semifinal. So I agree rule changes were necessary when fouls just were committed in a irrationally violent way, I completely agree with the massive talent in the 2000's. But from a fan's perspective? Imagine OKC - GSW this season at Chesapeake Arena including taunting,trash talking and more physicality, imagine players like Draymond, LeBron, Westbrook, Whiteside, Cousins, Giannis or even guards like Kyle Lowry with those rules... That's why I'll stay a 90's fan cause those rules ain't coming back
No disrespect. I just have seen so many people label him as a point guard because of his height. Keep doing your thing. I appreciate the concern and response. #Salute
Ahahah are you joking? 3 dpoy's in a row. One of the best rebounders of all time, and averages well over a double double for his career. Also one of the best defenders to ever play basketball. Learn your shit you 12 year old.
+jelems lets see....9x all star, a nba scoring title, and he has won the most gold medals out of any other player in the history of the NBA.....if you gone let Yao Ming in the HOF Melo definitely deserves a spot
Good video but... "How can you not believe that the 2000's is not the best basketball era of all time?" I'll make arguments based on your 4 reasons. RULES Removing the handcheck rule actually works for older eras. You said it yourself, it makes it challenging for the defender to stop a player on offense, which means it's easier for the guy on offense to score. They've also played a lot of zones back in the 80's and 90's they just have to be smart about it and not get caught. ruclips.net/video/AwVMMrApFBs/видео.html also check the video's description. The Paul Pierce example doesn't hold much weight as well, you can't attribute that to the rule change, it's just a season not as good as the last one, in 01-02 Kobe averaged 25.2, 3.3pts less than his previous year, that wasn't because of a rule change. Kevin Garnett actually had his best season that year winning MVP with 24.2ppg on 50% fg . He may not like zone defense, that doesn't mean they can't play well through it. Everyone was just really unfamiliar with the zone, but once they got used to it, it's all good again as the one's whose averages dropped rised back again a season or two after, like in paul pierce's case he averaged 26.8 on 47% fg on 05-06. PHYSICALITY Getting clobbered inside is to make the little guys think twice about driving, not just plain assault. The intention to hurt you is there. This would definitely stop a lot of shots from going in, yet despite that players of that era managed to score through that. Imagine someone who's used to that type of physicality suddenly playing in rules where the slightest of contact would be a foul, that'll be too easy. EVOLUTION Actually evolution is closely tied to the rules, players adjust to what the rules are so more and more players play they way that they do today. And you act like the players you mentioned here is the norm in the NBA. On Lebron James, he's just a freak of nature even in this era there's no one like him, no one even comes close. Bad example. Plus teams used to dictate and dominate games through defense even back in the 80's and 90's. As for AI's case, today's rules favor the guards a lot like the rules back then favored the big guys a lot, so we now have guys like Steph, Kyrie, Lowry, Wall just like we had Hakeem, The Admiral, Ewing, Shaq, Kareem. But if you're talking about 2000's then AI was again one of a kind, the closest thing to him was Stephon Marbury. Another bad example. As for Dirk being tall and shoots outside, that's actually normal for European players, that's not evolution, that's NBA's globalization. PLAYERS Melo isn't HOF material. He's just a really good scorer, and a so-so defender. He's only reached 1 conference finals. Dwight and Ben Wallace HOF'ers? no way. You could make a very small case for Wallace but not Dwight. Anyway back then it was also deep. 80s Point Guards Dennis Johnson, Nate Archibald, Magic, Isiah Thomas, Fat Lever only Fat Lever isn't in the HOF but had really great numbers in the 80s 90s Point Guards Stockton, Payton, Kidd (7 years in the 90s so you can also count him in the 90s) Tim Hardaway, Penny Hardaway (his 90's resume was really good) 4 of 5 is HOF material, 3 of them are already in HOF. 80s Shooting Guards George Gervin, Byron Scott, Sidney Moncrief, Rolando Blackman, Walter Davis It got a little thin here but that's because some guys that played in the 80's also played in the 90s and I'm putting them there. But Gervin is HOF, Scott is a possibility. The others still had solid numbers. 90s Shooting Guards Michael Jordan, Reggie Miller, Joe Dumars, Clyde Drexler, Mitch Richmond All 5 are already HOF inducted. 80s Small Forwards Bird, Wilkins, Bernard King, Dr. J, Worthy All 5 are already HOF inducted. 90s Small Forwards Pippen, Mullin, Grant Hill, Glen Robinson, Glen Rice. A little thin here with just 2 HOF's , that's about the same as 2000's. But as with TMAC, if Hill never got injured then he definitely belongs there. Robinson and Rice aren't pushovers either, they aren't just as hyped as players are today because of social media. 80s Power Forwards McHale, Moses Malone, Terry Cummings, Larry Nance, Bob McAdoo 3 are HOFs, while Cummings is a possible future HOF'er. It got thin here again since some guys overlapped playing in the 90s. 90s Power Forwards Malone, Rodman, Barkley, Webber, Kemp 3 are HOF'ers while Webber a possible future one (He had more productive years in the 90s compared to the 00s) Kemp was really good, if he never had his issues he would've been a better player, but even with that he's still pretty good. 80s Centers Kareem, Artis Gilmore, Ralph Sampson, Darryl Dawkins, Brad Daugherty 3 are HOF'ers, Dawkins a possible future one. Daugherty is a solid 20/10 guy. 90s Centers Olajuwon, Robinson, Ewing, Mourning, Mutombo I didn't even include Shaq. That's also just at the top 5 for the 80's and 90's. I don't have much knowledge of the 70's and earlier. Well as for MVPs if one player is above all like MJ was then he'll usually win it. look at Lebron, once he hit his peak he got like 4 out of 5 MVP's inside 5 years. If he hit his peak a year later then He'll have 4 MVPS in the 10's, besides we're already at the 2nd half of the 10's and we still only have 4 MVP winners, where 3 of those 4 are future possible winners of the MVP, does that mean the 10's era is weak? No. On the contrary it's actually IMO the best era. And the 90's actually had 6 MVP winners despite being a Jordan dominated decade while the 80's had 5. As for international players, they've always been good. NBA teams just didn't look at them back then the way they do today. Oscar Schimdt is one example, I can't remember how far back he was in the draft but he's definitely a top 5 pick. Plus that just means there're more players outside of the US that's good enough to play in the NBA, that doesn't make it a better era than the others.
Thanks for the comment and I partly agree with you a lot of your claims, but I just want to clarify on somethings. 1. In the 80s and 90s what people called "zone" was really just trapping players and double teams, which was legal. However, when a player is randomly shadowing an area on the court preventing a player from entering the lane, that is illegal in the 80s/90s but legal in the early 2000s. Also Pierce was just one example T-Mac, Arenas, A.I., and Steve Francis(he really wasn't that good to begin with but his FG% took a huge dip once zone was put in place). Also I think the reason why Kobe wasn't effected by this was because he was a team with great spacing and a fluid offensive system, which kills zone defense.(this is just a hunch though, but if true then the 90s bulls would still have success in the 2000s) 2. My physicality argument was more so condemning the unskilled big men, who were praised back in the 80s/90s. I do get why they did it, but that doesn't mean it took any skill to do. 3. I 100% agree with your statement: "Actually evolution is closely tied to the rules" I completely disagree with "As for Dirk being tall and shoots outside, that's actually normal for European players..." I understand what you mean but there have been 100s of international players who have entered the league and none of them have been as much as a threat with a face up game as Dirk. Also, all the players who evolve the game are anomalies, Wilt/Magic/Jordan/Russell, its how they push the game forward is what makes the evolution. 4.Melo, Howard, and Wallace are HOF material. Melo has multiple Olympic gold medals and a college championship to go with his NBA numbers. I believe Howard and Wallace will make it because Mutombo did. Also they players you picked....a bit of a stretch 80s PG: 100% agree 90s PG: Kidd was drafted in 94-95 so that isn't 7 years(also his best years were obviously in the 2000s) Also Stockton and Payton are the only ones in the HOF. 80s SG: Gervin is a stretch( would put him in the 70s) 90s SG: 100% agree 80s SF: 100% agree 90s SF: were crazy weak 80s PF: i can't give you McAdoo by the time the 80s rolled around he has coming of the bench for the Lakers 90s PF: 100% agree 80s C: Artis Gilmore and Kareem were way better in the 70s(especially Gilmore) Also Darryl Dawkins being a HOF...lol that has to be a joke 90s C: 100% agree you mixed a lot of 70s and some 00s talent to make your argument
AYYYYYYYYYY Hol' up. How dare you say Dwight hoard isn't H.O.F material, he is 1st ballot H.O.F material. Dwight is a 3 time D.P.O.Y and a MVP runner up in 2009, 8 time all star and 8 time all NBA selections with 5 of them being to the first team all NBA. In 8 seasons with Orlando, he averaged 20 + points and 14 rebounds with about 3 blocks and 1 steal 4 separate times. As a 23 year old, he led an empty Orlando team to the finals beating Lebron and his empty Cleveland team and lost to Kobe and his Lakers in the finals. Put some damn respect on Dwight Howard's name. However, you make a great argument of why the 00's isn't the best decade of basketball.
Just so many soft reasons. Because in the the 90's there was so well rounded basketball. Nobody was complaining before. Just new age softness. Draymon is nothing special. Good player, but not special. Many versatile players in the 90's. I can tell you didn't watch games in the 90's....probably just highlights. Iverson,Kobe,Duncan, CWebb, Sprewell, Grant Hill, Penny. Chris Jackson, Shaq, Jason Kidd...come on man. Assist don't even mean anything anymore because the play making guard has become obsolete. If you actually experienced the evolution of basketball you would see why the game today is soft. Basketball has always been a physical game with tons of skill. For every player you mention today, I have someone his equal or beter from the 90's
you are talking about individuals.I think 90s nba had great individuals and there was a lot of competitive teams even though league was dominated by the bulls.Nba rules just made basketball stupid then.I always looked at basketball as a sport above all else where you combine your physical ability with brains.Kinda like chess on the court.Not in the 90s.No zone defense.Mostly one on one isolation offense. But i do agree that league is soft today.If you just touch a guy you are called for a foul and you cant even celebrate or swear in game or you get a technical.I think it takes away that competitive edge. So i think he is right the 00s are probably most balanced era of basketball.
The problem with the mid to late 2000 is that things that made the game in my opinion beautiful is gone. A real play making guard or beautiful passers don't exist. Westbrooke with 10 assists? Come on. He was a 2 guard in college. And then, the post mves the guys have today are so basic. Hakkem would kill the league now. Tim Duncan was still quite dominate in his latter year because there are no BIGS any more. Barkley would also dominate today in Draymond gets his. See, the game seems all jump shots an uncontested drives to the basket. No smooth dribbles and passes. I am glad Clevland won by playing a more physical style of play. And the great NBA has made it so players will have very little loyalty to teams because of short term contracts. The only thing I see better now is that these guys can really shoot today, much better than the 90's.And yes, zone defenses makes it harder to score, but that existed in college forever and it's not like guys can't do that. Only one jump shooting team has won a championship...ever. It is a gimmick and a weapon. If you don't have good inside play and put a body on somebody, you will not win against a really good team, unless you choke.The Bulls dominated because they had Phil, Jordan, Scottie and a great team. Three are only points, and 2 are also points. So the difference is defense and foul trouble. I don't see why that fight would make them change the rules of the game. The game was already amazing a fun to watch. Did you watch The Kings with CWebb, Vladi and JWill or Bibby? I know basketball. Watched College and NBA since 85'. I followed most of the players development from highschool to college. Change is not always evolution in something
You lost me with Chris Jackson 😂 and uh the first 3 players you named in the 90s (Kobe Tim and iverson) they did play in the 90s but didn't reach their prime until the 2000s where they won Mvps and scoring titles chips etc.. So Chris Jackson was nowhere near any 5 point guards named in the video (t Parker Allen I Steve Nash cp3 or j kidd)
Mymindtatted Already Bro. We are talking style of play. Chris Jackson in his prime was a scoring point, like Curry and got pushed out of the league. If you know basketball, you wouldn\t have been confused about my comment. The three guys I named came out in the 90\s and played that style of basketball, which didn\t change untill around probably 2005 or 2006. The league, like society, decided that everything they needed to wussify basketball and take away all around play. There is nothing special abpout the play know. Just a whole bunch of jumpers and uncontested drives to the basket. Tim Duncan showed he could play against Shaq and get his and that is enough for me. There are no big men to mention now, so the fact that he played 20 plus years as a big man is not surprising. A.I. went to Georgetown and played football, so he is a beast and Kobe has never backed down from physical play and actually likes it. I can name so many more players if you want that would dominate now if with so many players just wanting to keep there soft butts out on the wing. Thank God for Gannis and Lebron for still taking it to the hole. You want to watch well-rounded basketball, watch the Kings in early 2000s. They would beat Golden State all day long, with inside outside offense...the way the game is meant to play
2005 Nba Finals was underrated Spurs and Pistons were the teams nobody like...bec they play fundamental basketball
Should of been Pacers vs Pistons
@@shadyboy5090 but both of them are in the East
Yeah as much as I respected both teams the offense was atrocious. I want some defense but not so much it hurts the offense.
@@shadyboy5090 you're a moron lol
They was barely scoring in that series
The reason people say "the 80's was real bball" is because thats when they started to watch it and when you first watch something you want it to stay the same
Coatt Gaming 80s were garbage all the way around.....
Or when you grow up watching your favorite team in finals every year like me,haha.
I bet you treasure those two bronze medals the 2000s won for you. The 2000s were a joke and are the reason today's NBA is so soft. Stern changed the rules to increase scoring because the early 2000s teams could not score.
80s ball was the best. You could compile multiple lists of great players the list is endless. You had the combination of insane offense but also physical defenses. The game was also treated like a sport but still possessed a balance of flash and unique play and entertainment. Not like today where it's just focused on entertainment rather than the balance that the 80s had
@@turtleislandlac1490 the 2000s were the lowest scoring decade in modern nba history
dirk's fadeaway post shot is a thing of beauty
like you're mom :)
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No it's not harkeem is way better
Michael Jackson harkeem....
I love 2000’s era basketball! I love how most of the players wore headbands, baggy uniforms, and their hairstyles were braids, and hardly wore gear and just went plane jersey and shorts
Same here. The fashion was awesome.
I get called an oldhead because I dress like a 2000s baller. You know baggy white tee, baggy jersey, baggy shorts, high top shoes, etc.
@@Terror832 shutup troll
I miss the 2000s so much, it was such a great decade.
Quadruple double with turnovers Yeah
Shit was trash the 90's and now is better
Popular music wasn't so great. We're back in a resurgence from kind of a dip.
if you check stat, today's new fans will say: wow, how suck Kobe was, he was not an efficient scorer, his average FG% not even reach today's league average.
and those fans probably never watched Kobe at his prime, just like you, never watched games in 90s.
Quadruple double with turnovers ur username 😂
I've been watching NBA basketball since the late 70's, and for me the 1980's is the best era. Magic and Bird arrived at the same time in 79-80 and basically saved the NBA from folding. The NBA had an image problem, a money problem, a drug problem, a television problem, and these two men almost by themselves got the league on stable footing. Today's NBA has those guys to thank, among others, just for the survival of the league.
As for the on the court of play, the 80's NBA was still a man's league that had the best and biggest rivalries that the 90's, 2000's, or the 2010's can't stack up with when vying for the NBA World Championship. The early 80's LA Lakers with Kareem, Magic, Coop, Nixon, Wilkes, Rambis, and McAdoo facing the Philadelphia 76ers in 80, 82, and 83 with the likes of Dr. J, Moses Malone, Bobby Jones, Mo Cheeks, Andrew Toney, and Darryl Dawkins. With the arrival of Moses, Philly swept the Lakers in 83, and the good Doctor finally got his ring! Dr. J was so fluid and graceful in his moves and had a heart of a Lion! But Showtime was up and running when Magic hit LA, and took the game to a whole different level just like that! Everyone was on board in the early 80's. The Star Power was here!
Wait a second, there was another team in the East that was pretty good as well...The Boston Celtics. Bird, McHale, Parrish, Tiny Archibald, Ced Maxwell, Gerald Henderson, and then later Dennis Johnson, Ainge, and Bill Walton. Those Celtics teams had to duke it out with Philly to just to get a crack at the Lakers in the Finals in 80, 81, 82, and 85. Those matchups were intense as it could get. Fighting, scratching, choking each other to reach the NBA Finals. Boston was a very skilled team, but they were rough and a little dirty at times also. But Larry Bird was an assassin, he did everything great on the basketball court. The Lakers then added James Worthy and Byron Scott to fill out their core in the mid to late 80's, and were able to win a total of five NBA titles. The Celtics won three NBA titles in 81, 84, and 86, and faced the Lakers in 84, 85, and 87. Those Laker vs. Celtics matchups are All-Time Classics, it doesn't get any better than that. The sheer determination and will displayed by those two teams is legendary! The Houston Rockets went to the NBA Finals in 81 and 86, losing to Boston both times. The Rockets had dominant centers, Moses in 81 and Olajuwon in 86. Allen Leavell and Robert Reid played on both squads, and in 81 fill out with Dunleavy, Rudy T, and Calvin Murphy. In 86 the Rockets had Sampson, John Lucas, Rodney McCray, and Craig Ehlo. The Houston Rockets were the only other Western Conference team to make it to the NBA Finals in the 80's besides the Lakers. That is quite an accomplishment!
The Milwaukee Bucks won six straight Central division titles from 81 thru 86, and made three Eastern Conference Finals appearances in 83, 84, and 86, either losing to the 76ers or the Celtics. The Bucks were a very good basketball team that just couldn't reach the NBA Finals due to the star power and firepower of Philly and Boston. The Bucks had dudes too though. Sidney Moncrief, Terry Cummings, Ricky Pierce, Paul Pressey, and guys like Marques Johnson, Quinn Buckner, Junior Bridgeman, Bob Lanier, Paul Mokeski, Mike Dunleavy, and Randy Brewer. All these players contributed to lots of winning at the Mecca in Milwaukee.
And around this time, in 84, that kid called Michael Jordan came onto the NBA scene, and only became the Greatest Basketball player EVER!!
Then the Detroit Pistons climbed into the scene in 86-87 as the next Eastern Conference team to contend with, and also the next team to win it all. The Detroit Pistons closed out the 80's being in the Eastern Conference Finals in 87,88, and 89. The "Bad Boy" Pistons, led by Isiah Thomas and Bill Laimbeer, along with Joe Dumars, Dennis Rodman, Vinnie Johnson, John Salley, Mark Aguirre, James Edwards, Rick Mahorn, along with a big contribution from Adrian Dantley, had a huge rivalry with Boston and Chicago in the East, and with the Lakers in the NBA Finals. The Pistons had to lose to Boston first in 87, then beat Boston and Chicago and lose to LA in the 88 Finals , then beat Boston, Chicago, and LA in 89 for the NBA World title.
I watched all of those playoff series, whether it was Detroit vs. Boston, Detroit vs. Chicago, Detroit vs. LA...THEY WERE BRUTAL!! The Celtics looked down on the Pistons, so Detroit had to become rough, physical, use psychology, employ intimidation tactics, just to compete at that level because basketball skills and a high I.Q. wasn't going to be good enough against that Celtic machine. The Pistons should of had them in 87, but finally overcame them in 88. And in the meantime Detroit had too use those tactics in keeping Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, and the rest of the baby Bulls at bay by the end of the 80's...and they did. They applied "The Jordan Rules", (which are locked in a secret vault), to harass, knock down, beat up, shove, bump, push, foul, and make MJ pass out of doubles, funnel him to the help in the middle, and use multiple players guarding him like Dumars and Rodman. Those tactics worked thru the end of the 80's. Isiah Thomas made sure he wasn't going to be left out of the NBA championship picture. With his will, skill, determination, and refuse to lose attitude, Isiah and the Detroit Pistons have a head to head win lead over Boston, Chicago, and LA during their playoff wars.
The Detroit Pistons vs. The Los Angeles Lakers to end the 1980's was as great as the beginning of the decade when you had the Lakers vs. Philly or Boston, a fierce rivalry to see who is the best in the NBA. 1988 had Detroit up 3-2 coming back to LA. Game 6 was gonna be for the win. Isiah badly sprains his ankle driving to the hoop in the 3rd quarter, still plays and delivers 26 points in that same quarter, a Finals record, but it came down to the last 30 seconds. Pistons up by one, ball swings to Kareem for the skyhook...and a PHANTOM foul called on Bill Laimbeer to give Kareem two foul shot, which he made, to seal a one point win for LA. Game 7 was hard fought but with a gimpy Isiah, the Pistons just didn't have quite enough, losing by 3. Detroit would be the best team in the NBA in 89 from start to finish, sweeping the Lakers in the NBA Finals, with a little karma coming back on LA as they were hit with a injury bug with Byron being out and Magic going out in game 2...It wouldn't have mattered anyway.
The 90's, 2000's, 2010's NBA does not have those fierce rivalries that the 1980's had. It was a different time, a different place, and a different game. It was a special time and a special place because of all these great teams with all these great players needed each other to make it must see TV all season long, but especially in the playoffs. The vast majority of players back then stayed with their team for most of their careers, unless a trade was made that propelled you to championship competition. It's not must see TV all year long anymore.
Sorry Bud...You can use all your stats, rule changes, style of play differences all you want. For me it is called the EYE BALL TEST, and since I have watching the NBA for over 40 years, The 1980's are THE BEST DECADE IN NBA HISTORY!!
Good argument... 80s does have a powerful case and you illustrate that nicely.
I'm 40+...watched entire seasons since 1984...I would say that this Era has the best quality ...most beautiful...most athletic basketball...hate to say it...but it's true
Yeah, just hammering on players in the air doesn't require skill to do.
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valdog1 it just gets ruined by floppers like Marcus Smart
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1. Because that's when you grew up and watched basketball
Exactly, most oldheads will tell you the 90s or 80s was the best. You can take stuff from any era and make it look like the best just like he did lol
I think it's the best based off the unpredictability of who was going to win the finals. Compared to the 80's, 90's and 2010s where it's been either lakers, Celtics, bulls, Lebron and golden state warriors. And yeah lakers won 3 in the beginning of the 00's but they didn't dominate the entire decade. Personally since I value the post position and physicality I like the 90's, that era had the best player feuds too (besides bird and magics classic rivalry)
I watched NBA in late MJ era, but I never consider today's game is better than Kobe's era.
Brian Hill I just subscribed for that picture
Brian Hill Lol that’s me
My 13 man roster for the 2000s
PG: Nash
SG: Kobe
SF: LeBron
PF: Duncan
C: Shaq
6. Kidd
7. AI
8. T-mac
9. Garnett
10. Yao
11. Dirk
12. Wade
13. Pierce
@Jonathan vince carter is 6'5 you're Fucking toxic
Yao???
Dapersona why you so butt hurt
Cod Athlete takes an abnormal amount of chromosomes to put VC over LeBron
Ashanti Nyongo I’m not saying he’s right, I just don’t understand why he’s so upset.
Starting 5 for the All 00s
PG. Allen Iverson
SG. Kobe Bryant
SF. Tracy Mcgrady
PF. Tim Duncan
C. Shaquille O'Neal
6th man Vince Carter
Lebron dirk kg shaq yao main
Being born in 1999 was a gift, I was able to watch these as a kid with the most enthusiastic point of view and now being 21 this era wasn't too far so I can revisit it as a young man and appreciate what made my childhood awesome and appreciate the finer things I may have missed growing up
5 NBA players that made me love 2000s to the max
1.Tracy McGrady
2.Paul Pierce
3.Kevin Garnett
4.Dwyane Wade
5. Kobe/AI/VC
That's more than 5 fam
Don't forget Ray
Ray used to Dunked hard too..
tracy is life
Amen
You should talk about the best or worst NBA front office decisions of all time
Brooklyn Nets
I will
Bulls
90s, 80s, 2000s definitely three of the best decades
you listed basically like half the nba history
Meh
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Meh, watch when people say the 10's were the best, but I think 2000's was the all time 🐐era
2000sare the best... then 90s ... then 80s then 2010s... then 70s... then 60s....
Illegal defense is always ignored because it benefitted 90s players and fans don't like to act like the game was easier in way. But it forces offensive players to beat team defenses. Which is why I hold a little knock on MJs stats, cause 32-37 points basically playing that 1v1 iso for entire games isn't as impressive as 30-35 against team D.
And hand checking also forces defenders to actually be skilled. Now you gotta play Great D on great scorers. Putting your hands on him when you're beat is a cheap way out.
you do know mj at 39 was still cooking people which is in the 2000s mj still would put up 30 easily espically if now you can't touch him he simply the goat.
jahiem jenkins Jordan only played one season against zone and he average 20 points flat.
dan t your not serious he was old as hell yet still outplayed some of the guards, prime Jordan would murder guards don't even try to disrespect the goat.
jahiem jenkins 20.0 PPG is outplaying them?
32-37 ppg also while worrying about his safety lol. He had to score over legit big men and while being shoved the whole time. I'll play with the zone. A guy Iike mj (whose offense continually evolved) would've figired that out.
The 00s starting 5 might beat every other era's
Shaq
Duncan
James
Bryant
Iverson/nash/kidd
Hakeem
Rodman
Bird
MJ
Thomas/Payton/Price
Nic Mag
Why tf is Rodman on that list
M K who else?
Nic Mag
Malone, Barkley, and McHale are all better
M K true, would u put barkley on that or another?
The era had the least possessions per game of all time and still, so many great players put up such great stats. Many of the guys from the 2000s would have killed in this era especially guys like Shaq, Kobe, Tmac, and AI with the spacing in today's game would average unbelievable numbers.
@@Mike_017and they would dribble anyone in this era
I'm glad someone finally pointed out how much impact Zone defense had on the NBA. The good old days when most teams all had their own star player, the all star game was enjoyable and intense and the competition in the West was crazy. Being a 50 win team might not even have gotten you the 8th seed in the west.
What West competition? The Lakers and Spurs made damn near every Finals
Bro, I have studied the NBA my whole life and I appreciate your analysis and studying you do as well. I'm known for debating nba and I may not agree with every point you make but you do your homework which many don't. Keep up the great work and I'll always be watching man
It's the best era to me simply cuz its the generation that made me fall in love with the game.. Kobe, TMac, A.I., Vince Carter, Steve Francis.. Those were the days boy
that instrumental that plays in all your videos I NEED!!!!
Me too
The Vibrations-Whiskey Man
The best generation is about to come. All these young players entering the league, will explode after 2020, lavine, russel, etc..yall know all the young players that are beasts now, imagine in a few years! The nba will stay kn good hands.
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yeah kyrie will be in his prime by then and he's already one of the best point guards in the league...Scary
+Liltoon614 Kyrie and Dame are the future best point guards
idk in 2020 I feel like its just going to be all 3 points which will be boring I mean the top two big man in last years draft are good 3 point shooters which is insane for 3 point shooters and all the guards are good 3 point shooters
hell no
Could have said Peja for small forwards or Ron Artest instead of Richard Jefferson
I agree Completely 2000s is the best Era in NBA Basketball
Nope
"Way more easier".....YOU make me cringe
lol I cringed too
2000's literally had every type of basketball player that you can think of. The only thing that was missing was that bigs weren't shooting 3's yet. There were multiple teams in the league that could play elite defense as well. The NBA is probably in it's worst era of defense currently.
They Could shoot 3s though!! ray, Allen Peja, Stoakovic, Tracy, McGrady, Steve Nash, white chocolate, Jason Williams, Dirk Nowitzki, plenty of three point shooters
You only think that because offenses are so dominant today. You transport a top defense today back to the 2000s and the defenses would not only be more dominant, but it would be relatively easy.
Great video, you forgot to mention players like Manu Ginobli. Andre Iquodala, Chris Bosh, Baron Davis, Steven Jackson, Jason Richardson(basically those beast warriors) Gilbert Arenas, Chancey Billups (great player) Rondo kinda counts, Steve Francis, All Harrington was good. etc etc you can go on. That era was pretty stacked!
most of these guards and forwards listed only make the hall because of the rule changes. Without the rule changes most of the wings today would be unable to get their own shots.
What about Stephon Marbury or Rip Hamilton? For small forward you could say Grant Hill over Richard Jefferson
Even Stephen Jackson or even a young Kevin Durant since he was drafted at 2007.
Paul Pierce
We need a video about Dirk Nowitzki or the Dallas Mavericks.
Commenting just to say I was here at 25k, love your channel man, I'd rather listen to you than any other commentators
thanks man
word, your objectivity is key
Dude yo page awesome you deserve more followers keep it up your gonna get there 💯💯💯 and you should do a collaboration with mike korzemba
LoW I completely agree with all of your points. The 2000s is the best era of all time, I even believe that the NBA is getting better and better each year. I remember talking to my brother back in 2009-10. I said that next year is going to be one of the best NBA seasons of all time, and I've been saying that ever since lol. Just look at last year. Warriors 24-0 start and 73-9 record, Kobe's final game, one of the best dunk contests, Steph's unbelievable year, Cavs becoming the first team ever to come back from a 3-1 deficit in the Finals and doing that against the 73-9 Warriors. LeBron leading in every category etc etc. The NBA is just getting better each year. What a time to be alive.
Lebron only lead because bogut got injured, he wouldn't have lead in blocks and rebounds, still impressive tho
Random accomplishments aren't why you should say that an era is better. The way LoW did is how you're supposed to do it.
DJKHALEDGOAT LeBron lead in points, assists AND rebounds in 2015 too when Bogut was healthy, he averaged 7.3 more rebounds per game then and averaged 7.3 more this year too. And blocks has nothing to do with Bogut's health. And if you wanna look at their total blocks through games 1 to 5: LeBron 10 and Bogut 10. So both of your arguments are bs.
***** After mentioning that I found the 2000s the best era I was talking about the years after 2010. Then I mentioned the great things of last year alone, which has nothing to do with the 2000s nor did I compare the 2010s to any other era and say that it is better. Those 'random accomplishments' were just things about last year.
I didn't say you compared the post-2010 era to the 2000's. I understand what you're saying but again, the strength of era is based on how the game is played. Not all of the records and accomplishments because every era has had incredible feats occur.
great video. keep up the good work
Maybe I'm alone on this but I would say the 70's was the best era. Mainly just because of the competitive balance, 8 different teams win a chip in 10 years.
00s was hands down the peak of defensive competitiveness
all these arguments are fine. Watching the NBA since the late 80s the only thing i wish for the game, is to keep producing Big Mens, Centers etc who can post up and of course i'm a bit worried about the amount of 3point shots players attempt, I hope bball games wont turn to 3point contests.
love your videos -thanx
Not surprising a lot of people say 90's was the best because mj was in it. Competition in the 00 decade was really tough especially in the west. There were at least 4 legit title contenders in the west regularly. Lakers, Spurs, Mavericks & Kings. The western conference was brutal. Dirk Nowitzki is one of the best players I've ever seen. But he won't get the respect because so much people focus on wins & rings. A 7 ft power forward that can go inside & outside. Pretty much unguardable.
AI was more of a shooting guard tho
A.I. said himself that he's not a point guard.
2010's won't be better than any generation simply because it's a shooting era .. Generations before were a scoring era which was more fun to watch
the late 2000 begins an era where great players start to bolt their teams during their prime to form super team. From Lebron to Carmelo to D-Will to CP3 etc...
The Knicks weren't a super team and the clippers were and are definitely not a super team
That would be the start of the 2010's basically
yeup
KG set the trend but he was getting to the latter part of his career. Prime players like Lebron, Durant, Melo.. all dipped
Sloan Jackson barkley was getting old and towards the end of his prime if not out of prime already when that happened.
Im happy you broke down the whole "physicality" thing ppl who are lovers of 80s and 90s like to bring up cuz literally that shit they was doing defensively took no skill at all "u go in the lane u get pummeled" like damn bro so if i beat somebody off the dribble all the defender has to do is push me down and now hes an "elite defender" ?
Loved the video, 90's was my personal favorite and you made a lot of great points, though In my opinion your weakest point you made was how because era's only had 2 MVP's that some how made them inferior to the 2000's where the league had multiple MVP's. Jordan and Malone and Hakeem we're just THAT good, but that still didn't take away from any other players in that era, because there was A LOT of talent even in other eras.
Throughout the 90's I mean you have Magic, Jordan, Charles, Karl, The Admiral, and Hakeem, I mean thats pretty spread out in my opinion going with the era that has arguably the greatest player of all time.
If you get Philly vs GSW that will likely be the most top players and future MvPs to ever be on the court at the same time outside of national teams and All-star teams
Curry
Klay
Durrant
Simmons
Embiid
Butler
Cousins
that specifically will make it like you used to dream as a kid top players vs top players, and the original purpose of the All-star game.
Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Dirk, Nash, McGrady, Iverson, Wade, Lebron, Carmelo
The best Era in NBA basketball history by far and should be unanimously agreed is the 1990's. Heck even the 1980's was better than the 2000's era. No other era in basketball will come close to that. Jordan and Pippen with the Bulls, Ewing Starks Oakley with the Knicks, Barkley KJ Majerle with the Suns, Olajuwon and the Rockets, O'Neal and Penny Hardaway with the Magic, Tim Hardaway and Mourning with the Heat, Miller with the Pacers, Kemp and Payton with the Sonics, Robinson Duncan and Elliot with the Spurs, Malone and Stockton with the Jazz, I could go on and on with the players and team rivalries that were beyond epic!!! Bulls-Knicks Heat-Knicks Pacers-Knicks Bulls-Pacers Rockets-Spurs Suns-Rockets I COULD KEEP GOING ON WITH THESE RIVALRIES WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANYMORE BECAUSE PLAYERS NOWADAYS KEEP SWITCHING TEAMS!!!!!
Now someone with some basketball knowledge and common scene. Obviously you actually watched the games in the 90's and not the highlights. When I watch games now, yes they have very skilled players, but the lack of physicality has totally altered the game skews stats and the way the game is played. We have really good shooters now, but bad shot blockers and rebounders. Rarely do you see players box out and grab rebounds which fundamentally so easy. The word rim protector didn't exist in the 90's because that's what a center job was period . These defenses are not complex like one commentor mentioned. Defense is played with heart and desire. So many of these players now come out of school too early before they are properly developed, but this is a generation of immediate satisfaction and most will not understand what I mean...but I think you do. The Phoenix team with Barkley and KJ would probably be the best team right now...I'm just sayin
Don't forget Kemp and Payton
The 90s, I agree. The 80s were not. That's just old man talk, the same way old men swear 80s rap is the best. The 90s, were great in bball and hip hop. 80s were alright..
So no Pistons-Bulls?
2000s all day.
another grt vid bud. i used to think the 80s was the golden age but ive changed my mind. exlent work
2000s
Steve Nash’s passing
Shaq’s back down post hooks
Dirk Nowitzki’s one leg fadeaways
Allen Iverson’s crossovers
Lebron James’s drives to the rim & bully ball
Paul Pierce’s step back fade away
Kevin Garnett’s passion & intensity
Vince Carter’s dunks
Dwayne Wades steals & fast breaks
Kobe Bryant’s shimmy fade away shot
The 2000s players had different personalities & identities & play styles & uniqueness to them , nowadays…every player can shoot, every one plays the same & just jacks up threes . …boring .
Really enjoyed your arguments and opinions about this era. Loving your videos man. Keep them coming please
What's up man?Good video
You haven't even finished the video
Jay Jay I don't have to finish the video,to know that it's a good one
man don't stop to make videos, they are Great!
Last time I was this early, this would have had 301 views
I know it's really old, but I been researching these type of topics, and this video and your explanation for each section, this video is raw bro💯🔥💯💯🏆
Physicality/Flopping alone is why the 2000s can't possible be the best era. it's borderline soccer out there sometimes. and if me and anyone else who play pickup ball (the purest form of the game) can handle handchecking, a few bows, and some trash talk, then why can't millionaires who spend their whole year bulking up and taking vitamins take a few bumps in the name of the game? honestly, it comes off like you love the the 2000s cause that's when you actually started paying attention to the game.
in the 90s they flopped too.
this a great channel
Tough western conference specially 2008-2010 that what makes 2000's the best era
This is GOLD!!! Great Analysis and FACTS!!!!
Last time I was this early the lakers were champions
So 2010
Giovanni Herrera How quickly they forgot
@@giovanniherrera6037 2020 soon
I’m in my late 30’s I want to to many bullets / wizards games , I agree the 2000’s has most my all time fav players
Agree; 90s has a slight edge but 00s was more entertaining.
the 90s is the worst era in modern basketball.
it goes 2000s 1980s 2010s 1990s in that order from greatest to least
nah 2000s 1980s 1990s 2010
Jt The music critic overrating the 90s
I gotta agree man, I liked the video as soon as I seen the title. I'm glad somebody finally spoke on this!
Kobe Shaq Timmy D KG Dirk AI T Mac Nash Kidd Lebron yao steve Francis D wade jermaine pau odom CP3 D12 PP Vince melo ray ray c webb agent zero Brandon Roy Michael redd baron davis chauncy rich Big Ben artest gerald the lakers celtics rivalry, electrifying suns team, shaq and frobe duo, "Kobe how my ass taste," spurs dynasty, j will c webb peja kings, Vc Kidd nets, pistons/lakers upset, kobes 05-06, Yao tmac rockets, dusty mj comeback, 04 pacers... Damn I miss the 2000's
preach
Love your videos bro
I’d say it’s between the 80s and 00s for best era. 80s had the most great teams like the Celtics, Sixers, Lakers, Pistons, and the 2000s had the most great talent at the same time in their prime of close to it: Shaq, TD, Kobe, KG, Dirk, T Mac, VC, Iverson, Wade, young Lebron, Young KD, CP3.
Many say the 90s because of Jordan but overall it was not that great. Expansion diluted the league, most of the great 90s players were in the 80s anyway they just couldn’t win in the 80s and that includes MJ. Shaq and D Rob were the only new top 20 all time level that arrived in the 90s. Duncan came right at the end, and Kobe and KG were not prime yet. Teams that could not compete in the 80s were contenders in the 90s.
By the late 2000s the game started getting soft. The 2010s may have the most players that can shoot 3s and tall guys that can handle the ball but almost all of the physicality has been removed and an offensive player can literally side jump into a defender and get to the line. Plus the competition is a joke you have 1 team with 40% of the West all stars and the East is a joke outside of 2 teams.
Great video man
Most players didnt back down for 5 seconds anyway. If fact the only player who did that was Barkley.
They change rules like "Hand checking" and made it illegal to impede the progress of a player driving to the hoop specifically to make more Jordan type players. They lost ratings when Jordan left in 93 and the again in 98.
To keep fans entertained, they made it much easier to perimeter players to drive to the hoop and dunk. (eliminating physical play and implementing a defensive 3 seconds violation)
Jordan was a natural at doing that in his physical era. Players post-rule changes are faux at it. I would have loved to seen a league when Prime MJ, Drexler and Dominique with today's batty-boy like rules.
To be honestly, I believe the 2000's were the worst decade for basketball.
Ok but at the same time zone defense made it harder for Jordan type players who iso a lot just like T-Mac said. Jordan would have been forced to beat a better defensive game-plan going against him. Jordan would've been double or triple teamed a lot more and forced to rely on his teammates more.
To be honest how many Jordan type players were able to dominate in the 2000's in terms of a lot winning. The only ones I can think of is Kobe maybe D-Wade, and they even had times when the didn't even make the playoffs.
Golden.Boy
SMH, all you need is a consistent jumpshot to defend the zone. Even players with absolutely no jumpshots can defeat the zone with these bitchtified impede the progress of a player rules.
Players like Rondo destroys the myth of a zone being a form of great "advanced" defense.
Players like Nash were nobodies before the rule changes. The rule changes turned Steve Nash into a legend... Running in and out up and under the lane without being touched.
Jordan would averaged 60ppg with these rules.
Rule change didn't turn Nash into a legend: Suns' "7 Seconds or Less" offense did, which was the ultimate weapon against zone. It opened the way for pace and space offensive systems.
Also, tons of players played back-to-basket back in the day cus it was next to impossible to send help from the weak side and players weren't fast enough to come help anyway. Your totally wrong about that. Which is harder: dealing with multiple defenders in your way or play 1on1 back-to-basket all day?
Kenneth Donnelly
SMH, all you need is a consistent jumpshot to defend the zone. Even players with absolutely no jumpshots can defeat the zone with these bitchtified impede the progress of a player rules.
Players like Rondo destroys the myth of a zone being a form of great "advanced" defense.
Players like Nash were nobodies before the rule changes. The rule changes turned Steve Nash into a legend... Running in and out up and under the lane without being touched.
Jordan would averaged 60ppg with these rules
Tmac is why i started watching basketball. Most underrated player in NBA history
It's cause you grew up watching during the 00's. We know.
and let me guess u grew up in the 90s?
And because it was the toughest
Excellent video, thanks for the analysis, especially on Bill Laimbeer.
Do u have a gaming channel ?
nah I dont but I thought about creating one
I predict at this rate you'll hit 100k easily LOW
Love your content bro
It's not cool steeling ideas from smaller youtubers, LOW. BasketballWithSteve made this video first and you just copied EVERYTHING! You have no right talking about LNU steeling ideas because you do it too.
Don’t forget that Michael Jordan played in the 2000’s too!
think the 90's and 00's were the best seasons
nah the 90s were weak as far as talent. The guys from the 80s that carries over into the 90s werent great outside of the elites like Jordan, Barkelt, Stockton etc. The new guys drated in the 90 who played in the 2000s were way more talented.
I guess that's true but they were alot of known well good players that played in the 90's like O'Neal
Your vids are 🔥
This nigga lost me when he said Richard Jefferson was a top small forward lmao but this is a good video
lol it should have been G.Hill but he lost so many years to injuries
+Legend Of Winning you could've said Kevin Durant
NBA Mihir could've said Paul pierce.
IphoneMixtape360 True
KD is 2010s.
15:57 that took me a while to realize it was timmy
4 reasons the 90s was the best era for basketball
1. you had more superstars with longer careers
2. no 1 and done atitude so more players came in ready to play unlike now where half the draft will end up in the d league at some point
3.1996 was the best draft class of all time
4. the 90s had MJ!!!! in his prime
but most of the 96 draft class started shining after the 2000s
Jermaine l nash, iverson, bryant , ray allen, all where on there way in the 90s its just that alotta players from the 80s where still around getting most the shine like hakeem, Barkley, Malone, Jordan, and Pippen to name a few...if you think about the same thing is going on right now your biggest stars for the most part are from 2003 and up but its way less around today from the early 2000's then the amount of talent that lingered around from the 90s
kinda easy to have a longer career when you add 6 trash expanstion teams in 2 years
Cj Vanginkel orlando was good team within 3 yrs.... now the grizzlies and raptors took a lil longer
1996 class are 00s players idiot.their peaks and most of their careers and accomplishments were in the 00s.kobe just retired,vince, ,pierce,grant hill,shaq,KG,tim duncan,jason kid,ray allen,steve nash.All had 18+ year careers and some of them are still playing.So your argument is sooo incredibly invalid.
this guys has amazing videos
the 2000s was the last era where real men played. now we have sissies in the league which made it unwatchable
great video
The 2000s is the second worst era in NBA history. Even ignoring the analysts, this is the same era that had a 39 year-old Michael Jordan still drop at a slight dip. A lot of your points focused on one of very rudimentary aspects of the game. The 2000s was the little brother of the 1991-1995 "over-coached" era. The only point I'll give out of the 2000s is that it bred a a better stock of defenders due to the fact they had limited weapons to utilize against on-ball opponents ... and even LESS on off-ball opponents due to the rule changes. You're not even getting into how the "widening of the lane" and the "5 second rule" pretty much killed the center position or relegated it to a "up sticks" role and made it a cutter/passer league.
If they narrowed the lane again, a lot of the Guards and cutting Forwards today would have a Hell of a time not getting clotheslined by spit. The 2000s paved the way for the "artificial Jordans" to shine, so don't blame the 90s rule for encouraging ISO 1v3 scenarios. If anything, they put the shine: you could tell who was the star and who wasn't. You put Larry Bird in today's league, he'd burn everyone. Mid-range shot at a high efficiency, smart rebounding and boxing out. Simmons said the 90s would have been cruel to Larry if he didn't switch to a Guard position, but that didn't make the 90s superior, either. The 90s just didn't have a lot of players that required the realigning of the rules.
Only era worse is the 70s, and I don't need to get into that one. Everyone knows how bad the era was. People say "60s was white guys thinking they can play ball just because they broke 6'2"' or the baby steps of the 50s didn't see the docs on how bad the 70s were.
Yet, the 2000s had plenty of centers who did pretty damn well. Bird would be great in today's game though.
Lol that's why Jordan only attempted to guard AI 1 time and that was the last time even his PEDs couldn't help him against AI 96 draft short circuited all your overhyped 80s stars
good NBA facts bruh and awesome video
Dallas Mavs love zone defense holla at 2011 title
keep up the work bro
you think the 2010s got a chance to surpass the 00s 90s and 80s ???
not a chance, 2010's only show the dominance of guard players
na
yeah probably right i was just wondering since alot of positions started incorporating more skill sets
nope
2010s is becoming too 3 oriented. 2000s had a very nice balance of inside, mid range, and 3 pointers.
Though I'm a 90's fan you made really good arguments so I can't disagree. Laimbeer was a good example, probably the best you could take. Zone defense or not, hand checking or not, I don't care. But what I miss most of all from the days before malice at the palace:
1) You could not win a championship if you could be intimidated. In other terms, you had to be physically and mentally tough to win a championship. That's what I appreciated as a fan. And to all those people who say 90's league was watered down: First of all I disagree, second of all basketball is watered down since the rule changes so what are you talking about?
2) Rule changes included that taunting and trash talking is forbidden now. Ah, that one makes me really mad, one of the most entertaining parts of the game taken away...
3) Particularly those two points made the big rivalries so entertaining to watch. Pacers - Knicks, Lakers - Celtics in the 80's, Celtics - 76ers, Celtics - Pistons, Bulls - Pistons, Bulls - Knicks, 1996 finals, those were awesome games to watch. Though I'm more interested in basketball now than in the 90's, nowadays I don't really mind not watching a finals' game live whereas for those games I would have taken half a day off from work even for a conference semifinal.
So I agree rule changes were necessary when fouls just were committed in a irrationally violent way, I completely agree with the massive talent in the 2000's. But from a fan's perspective? Imagine OKC - GSW this season at Chesapeake Arena including taunting,trash talking and more physicality, imagine players like Draymond, LeBron, Westbrook, Whiteside, Cousins, Giannis or even guards like Kyle Lowry with those rules... That's why I'll stay a 90's fan cause those rules ain't coming back
How many times do people have to be reminded?
A.I. WAS A SHOOTING GUARD
my bad man, I just put him at PG to show to ppl how AI push the agenda that smaller players who play PG can be dominate scorers as well
No disrespect. I just have seen so many people label him as a point guard because of his height. Keep doing your thing. I appreciate the concern and response. #Salute
Carl Olloway Jr. he played both guard spots during his career
Who makes the art for your thumbnails?
Dwight Howard ain't HOF material.
Ahahah are you joking? 3 dpoy's in a row. One of the best rebounders of all time, and averages well over a double double for his career. Also one of the best defenders to ever play basketball. Learn your shit you 12 year old.
idk bro
Go learn the game!
sorry but he very much is
He has earned 3 Defensive Player of the Year awards, that is rare. He will be in HoF.
You deserve way more subs
Melo's not making the hof
ok
You're bugging
+jelems lets see....9x all star, a nba scoring title, and he has won the most gold medals out of any other player in the history of the NBA.....if you gone let Yao Ming in the HOF Melo definitely deserves a spot
Nigga what?
But one of the key reasons that they let Yao in the HOF was how many international fans he brought to the game rather than his career.
Do you make all your thumbnails because they are nice bro
Good video but...
"How can you not believe that the 2000's is not the best basketball era of all time?"
I'll make arguments based on your 4 reasons.
RULES
Removing the handcheck rule actually works for older eras. You said it yourself, it makes it challenging for the defender to stop a player on offense, which means it's easier for the guy on offense to score. They've also played a lot of zones back in the 80's and 90's they just have to be smart about it and not get caught. ruclips.net/video/AwVMMrApFBs/видео.html also check the video's description.
The Paul Pierce example doesn't hold much weight as well, you can't attribute that to the rule change, it's just a season not as good as the last one, in 01-02 Kobe averaged 25.2, 3.3pts less than his previous year, that wasn't because of a rule change. Kevin Garnett actually had his best season that year winning MVP with 24.2ppg on 50% fg . He may not like zone defense, that doesn't mean they can't play well through it. Everyone was just really unfamiliar with the zone, but once they got used to it, it's all good again as the one's whose averages dropped rised back again a season or two after, like in paul pierce's case he averaged 26.8 on 47% fg on 05-06.
PHYSICALITY
Getting clobbered inside is to make the little guys think twice about driving, not just plain assault. The intention to hurt you is there. This would definitely stop a lot of shots from going in, yet despite that players of that era managed to score through that. Imagine someone who's used to that type of physicality suddenly playing in rules where the slightest of contact would be a foul, that'll be too easy.
EVOLUTION
Actually evolution is closely tied to the rules, players adjust to what the rules are so more and more players play they way that they do today.
And you act like the players you mentioned here is the norm in the NBA.
On Lebron James, he's just a freak of nature even in this era there's no one like him, no one even comes close. Bad example. Plus teams used to dictate and dominate games through defense even back in the 80's and 90's. As for AI's case, today's rules favor the guards a lot like the rules back then favored the big guys a lot, so we now have guys like Steph, Kyrie, Lowry, Wall just like we had Hakeem, The Admiral, Ewing, Shaq, Kareem. But if you're talking about 2000's then AI was again one of a kind, the closest thing to him was Stephon Marbury. Another bad example. As for Dirk being tall and shoots outside, that's actually normal for European players, that's not evolution, that's NBA's globalization.
PLAYERS
Melo isn't HOF material. He's just a really good scorer, and a so-so defender. He's only reached 1 conference finals.
Dwight and Ben Wallace HOF'ers? no way. You could make a very small case for Wallace but not Dwight.
Anyway back then it was also deep.
80s Point Guards
Dennis Johnson, Nate Archibald, Magic, Isiah Thomas, Fat Lever
only Fat Lever isn't in the HOF but had really great numbers in the 80s
90s Point Guards
Stockton, Payton, Kidd (7 years in the 90s so you can also count him in the 90s) Tim Hardaway, Penny Hardaway (his 90's resume was really good) 4 of 5 is HOF material, 3 of them are already in HOF.
80s Shooting Guards
George Gervin, Byron Scott, Sidney Moncrief, Rolando Blackman, Walter Davis
It got a little thin here but that's because some guys that played in the 80's also played in the 90s and I'm putting them there. But Gervin is HOF, Scott is a possibility. The others still had solid numbers.
90s Shooting Guards
Michael Jordan, Reggie Miller, Joe Dumars, Clyde Drexler, Mitch Richmond
All 5 are already HOF inducted.
80s Small Forwards
Bird, Wilkins, Bernard King, Dr. J, Worthy
All 5 are already HOF inducted.
90s Small Forwards
Pippen, Mullin, Grant Hill, Glen Robinson, Glen Rice.
A little thin here with just 2 HOF's , that's about the same as 2000's. But as with TMAC, if Hill never got injured then he definitely belongs there. Robinson and Rice aren't pushovers either, they aren't just as hyped as players are today because of social media.
80s Power Forwards
McHale, Moses Malone, Terry Cummings, Larry Nance, Bob McAdoo
3 are HOFs, while Cummings is a possible future HOF'er. It got thin here again since some guys overlapped playing in the 90s.
90s Power Forwards
Malone, Rodman, Barkley, Webber, Kemp
3 are HOF'ers while Webber a possible future one (He had more productive years in the 90s compared to the 00s) Kemp was really good, if he never had his issues he would've been a better player, but even with that he's still pretty good.
80s Centers
Kareem, Artis Gilmore, Ralph Sampson, Darryl Dawkins, Brad Daugherty
3 are HOF'ers, Dawkins a possible future one. Daugherty is a solid 20/10 guy.
90s Centers
Olajuwon, Robinson, Ewing, Mourning, Mutombo
I didn't even include Shaq.
That's also just at the top 5 for the 80's and 90's.
I don't have much knowledge of the 70's and earlier.
Well as for MVPs if one player is above all like MJ was then he'll usually win it.
look at Lebron, once he hit his peak he got like 4 out of 5 MVP's inside 5 years. If he hit his peak a year later then He'll have 4 MVPS in the 10's, besides we're already at the 2nd half of the 10's and we still only have 4 MVP winners, where 3 of those 4 are future possible winners of the MVP, does that mean the 10's era is weak? No. On the contrary it's actually IMO the best era. And the 90's actually had 6 MVP winners despite being a Jordan dominated decade while the 80's had 5.
As for international players, they've always been good. NBA teams just didn't look at them back then the way they do today. Oscar Schimdt is one example, I can't remember how far back he was in the draft but he's definitely a top 5 pick. Plus that just means there're more players outside of the US that's good enough to play in the NBA, that doesn't make it a better era than the others.
Thanks for the comment and I partly agree with you a lot of your claims, but I just want to clarify on somethings.
1. In the 80s and 90s what people called "zone" was really just trapping players and double teams, which was legal. However, when a player is randomly shadowing an area on the court preventing a player from entering the lane, that is illegal in the 80s/90s but legal in the early 2000s. Also Pierce was just one example T-Mac, Arenas, A.I., and Steve Francis(he really wasn't that good to begin with but his FG% took a huge dip once zone was put in place). Also I think the reason why Kobe wasn't effected by this was because he was a team with great spacing and a fluid offensive system, which kills zone defense.(this is just a hunch though, but if true then the 90s bulls would still have success in the 2000s)
2. My physicality argument was more so condemning the unskilled big men, who were praised back in the 80s/90s. I do get why they did it, but that doesn't mean it took any skill to do.
3. I 100% agree with your statement: "Actually evolution is closely tied to the rules" I completely disagree with "As for Dirk being tall and shoots outside, that's actually normal for European players..." I understand what you mean but there have been 100s of international players who have entered the league and none of them have been as much as a threat with a face up game as Dirk. Also, all the players who evolve the game are anomalies, Wilt/Magic/Jordan/Russell, its how they push the game forward is what makes the evolution.
4.Melo, Howard, and Wallace are HOF material. Melo has multiple Olympic gold medals and a college championship to go with his NBA numbers. I believe Howard and Wallace will make it because Mutombo did. Also they players you picked....a bit of a stretch
80s PG: 100% agree
90s PG: Kidd was drafted in 94-95 so that isn't 7 years(also his best years were obviously in the 2000s) Also Stockton and Payton are the only ones in the HOF.
80s SG: Gervin is a stretch( would put him in the 70s)
90s SG: 100% agree
80s SF: 100% agree
90s SF: were crazy weak
80s PF: i can't give you McAdoo by the time the 80s rolled around he has coming of the bench for the Lakers
90s PF: 100% agree
80s C: Artis Gilmore and Kareem were way better in the 70s(especially Gilmore) Also Darryl Dawkins being a HOF...lol that has to be a joke
90s C: 100% agree
you mixed a lot of 70s and some 00s talent to make your argument
+Solentos did u just say Dwight is a 3 time hall of famer?
AYYYYYYYYYY Hol' up. How dare you say Dwight hoard isn't H.O.F material, he is 1st ballot H.O.F material. Dwight is a 3 time D.P.O.Y and a MVP runner up in 2009, 8 time all star and 8 time all NBA selections with 5 of them being to the first team all NBA. In 8 seasons with Orlando, he averaged 20 + points and 14 rebounds with about 3 blocks and 1 steal 4 separate times. As a 23 year old, he led an empty Orlando team to the finals beating Lebron and his empty Cleveland team and lost to Kobe and his Lakers in the finals. Put some damn respect on Dwight Howard's name. However, you make a great argument of why the 00's isn't the best decade of basketball.
Valid points made in this video, can't argue with that.
Just so many soft reasons. Because in the the 90's there was so well rounded basketball. Nobody was complaining before. Just new age softness. Draymon is nothing special. Good player, but not special. Many versatile players in the 90's. I can tell you didn't watch games in the 90's....probably just highlights. Iverson,Kobe,Duncan, CWebb, Sprewell, Grant Hill, Penny. Chris Jackson, Shaq, Jason Kidd...come on man. Assist don't even mean anything anymore because the play making guard has become obsolete. If you actually experienced the evolution of basketball you would see why the game today is soft. Basketball has always been a physical game with tons of skill. For every player you mention today, I have someone his equal or beter from the 90's
just for clarification I was speaking on the'00-'10 era not '10-present
you are talking about individuals.I think 90s nba had great individuals and there was a lot of competitive teams even though league was dominated by the bulls.Nba rules just made basketball stupid then.I always looked at basketball as a sport above all else where you combine your physical ability with brains.Kinda like chess on the court.Not in the 90s.No zone defense.Mostly one on one isolation offense.
But i do agree that league is soft today.If you just touch a guy you are called for a foul and you cant even celebrate or swear in game or you get a technical.I think it takes away that competitive edge.
So i think he is right the 00s are probably most balanced era of basketball.
The problem with the mid to late 2000 is that things that made the game in my opinion beautiful is gone. A real play making guard or beautiful passers don't exist. Westbrooke with 10 assists? Come on. He was a 2 guard in college. And then, the post mves the guys have today are so basic. Hakkem would kill the league now. Tim Duncan was still quite dominate in his latter year because there are no BIGS any more. Barkley would also dominate today in Draymond gets his. See, the game seems all jump shots an uncontested drives to the basket. No smooth dribbles and passes. I am glad Clevland won by playing a more physical style of play. And the great NBA has made it so players will have very little loyalty to teams because of short term contracts. The only thing I see better now is that these guys can really shoot today, much better than the 90's.And yes, zone defenses makes it harder to score, but that existed in college forever and it's not like guys can't do that. Only one jump shooting team has won a championship...ever. It is a gimmick and a weapon. If you don't have good inside play and put a body on somebody, you will not win against a really good team, unless you choke.The Bulls dominated because they had Phil, Jordan, Scottie and a great team. Three are only points, and 2 are also points. So the difference is defense and foul trouble. I don't see why that fight would make them change the rules of the game. The game was already amazing a fun to watch. Did you watch The Kings with CWebb, Vladi and JWill or Bibby? I know basketball. Watched College and NBA since 85'. I followed most of the players development from highschool to college. Change is not always evolution in something
You lost me with Chris Jackson 😂 and uh the first 3 players you named in the 90s (Kobe Tim and iverson) they did play in the 90s but didn't reach their prime until the 2000s where they won Mvps and scoring titles chips etc.. So Chris Jackson was nowhere near any 5 point guards named in the video (t Parker Allen I Steve Nash cp3 or j kidd)
Mymindtatted Already Bro. We are talking style of play. Chris Jackson in his prime was a scoring point, like Curry and got pushed out of the league. If you know basketball, you wouldn\t have been confused about my comment. The three guys I named came out in the 90\s and played that style of basketball, which didn\t change untill around probably 2005 or 2006. The league, like society, decided that everything they needed to wussify basketball and take away all around play. There is nothing special abpout the play know. Just a whole bunch of jumpers and uncontested drives to the basket. Tim Duncan showed he could play against Shaq and get his and that is enough for me. There are no big men to mention now, so the fact that he played 20 plus years as a big man is not surprising. A.I. went to Georgetown and played football, so he is a beast and Kobe has never backed down from physical play and actually likes it. I can name so many more players if you want that would dominate now if with so many players just wanting to keep there soft butts out on the wing. Thank God for Gannis and Lebron for still taking it to the hole. You want to watch well-rounded basketball, watch the Kings in early 2000s. They would beat Golden State all day long, with inside outside offense...the way the game is meant to play
Damn, bro, you are a basketball connoisseur! Well done!
In 3 weeks you've over doubled your sub count. Deserve it. Some of the best content on RUclips.
Iverson wasn't a point guard... He was always labeled a shooting guard
Allen Iverson is a shooting guard bro, + don't disrespect 90s talents, there were so many.
Good video bro.