This was the only test I could find that showed the actual amperage usage between batteries of different amperage ratings. The test proved the higher amperage battery indeed provided higher horsepower to the tool. Very simple and very scientific test, Great demonstration.
I have the 2cp and the 3cp but a 1.5cp. I need to get one and see how battery capacity within the compact series affects output. Would also be cool to get a 3xc and a 6xc to try out, but $$.
I love this testing so much, could we some more, curious to see a 1.5 vs 2.0 as they feel very different in power on any tool. Also would love to see the 6.0 tested. Thanks so much subscribed!
Yeh... undoubtedly the xc will provide more power. I think a future vid would need to be on compact 1.5 v 2.0 v 3.0 and xc 3.0 v 4.0 and 6.0. But I not going to buy that many batteries for just a boobtube video.
@@RoomForTools The only change I would mKe to your rig is the ability to check voltage/drop. Then you can calculate power 🔋. Otherwise, the best tester ever. I'm curious to see what the 3s3p 9.0 Chinese batteries can push.
While lots videos doing meaningless comparison tests, this video explains everything. Only downside was only 2.0 and 4.0. Hope you can include 3.0 and 6.0. Great videos, thanks for the info.
Nice real world test. The xc batteries do pass the eye/feel test as well. I can cut out 6” holes in drywall with the 4ah xc no problem but the 2ah compact will struggle a little.
I would have liked to see the voltage listed at the same time. Since voltage and amps are inverse, is just looking at amps really a good test? I would like to see a similar load test between batteries also showing voltage to see how long each can run. As the voltage drops amps will go up and reduce run time and also create more heat in the device circuit.
I wish you millions of subscribers, awesome high quality content. From my research the compact battery uses 15a continuous 30a peak cells, would there be any advantage to replacing the cells with some higher rated 30A continuous cells? Will use the battery as is for now but when it dies will definitely recycle it.
Thanks! Not sure replacing cells would help hugely as the tools themselves are regulated for maximum current draw. XC batteries *should* be able to deliver twice the amps as compacts, though the tools draw only 10-30% more from them. Probably a wise decision decided with input from the engineers and the legal department!
@@RoomForTools The cp1.5 has samsung 15M cells inside. They are rated at 23amps continuous. The problem is the cells & nickel welded to them heat up and changes the resistance of the thermistor. The tool reads this, and lowers or cuts output. Sharing the load between 2 groups of (3) cells allows it to remain cooler and thus run harder. I'm not sure, but I think the m12 tools are able to identify an xc vs cp pack by the voltage drop under load. 6 cells vs 3 cells means shared load, less drop. Tap a volt meter in, and run that test, you will see what I mean. That's a cool test pigtail/device you made there, kudos. Thanks for sharing.
Should do this to all those knock off cheap batteries. People always directly comparing the run-time, which is stupid for cheaper cells tend to have more Mah than expensive ones made for high draw/amps. The real difference is going to be the power it delivers.
@@RoomForTools I've been heavy on 18650//21700 batteries for 15 some years now. Use to make my own vape mods. Needless to say you need to know what you're doing, or can seep/explode. Then I learned thats exactly what is in these tool batteries. Going to 21700 cell my first m12 battery that dies. Just not sure if the onboard safety will stop the extra amps or not. I mean it makes sense... Bit larger, but can hit 35-45 + amps, where as 18650 more like 20-30amps. Or you could buy 21700 at 25-30amps with like twice the Mah that 18650 can offer. Considering at times a 18650 can spike to 35+ amps, I'd think the drill could handle that and then some.
This was really cool, what a smart way to test! If I understand correctly, an amp hour is a measure of capacity. It’s 1k milliamps. So why is it providing higher output/horsepower? Could it be the power state motor sensing there’s more available power available to draw from? Also I had the dampest thing happen. Used the m12 fuel impact driver to break a lug nut loose with a tiny 2.0 battery. Then tried it again in the m12 fuel impact wrench and the impact wrench couldn’t do it! When I put a 6.0 in the impact wrench it tore it right off. Interesting stuff…
XC batteries are in two series in parallel, so potentially twice the current delivery. In reality the tools do not draw twice the amount, but they do draw more.
Very true about the greater the amp hour rating the lower the peak discharge rate. C rate gets in the way with higher A/H but since they are scaled back electronically the regulated peak discharge rate should be the same, just with less voltage drop. Right? Awesome video btw great idea with using the amp probe!! Takes speculation out of the debate.
I saw a video that just went off torque for the m18 mid torque and the ho xc6.0 performed better than the 8.0 as far as peak torque was concerned. The xc12.0 uses 21700 cells which has a better energy density than the 18650 so it takes the cake for m18. I'd still love to see discharge ratings compared for the higher ah batteries.
I'm only a quarter way through the video but I'm really hoping you load test those batteries because free spinning is not going to pull proper amperage to test them
Have you tested the amp draw on the m12 fuel circular saw? Was curious if it drawed enough amps (maybe under heavy load) to pick the 4.0 battery over the 6.0? Thanks.
Hey! I was just about to create a similar rig for my M12 tools! Specifically I want to test the 1/2" gen 2 fuel drill which you showed in the first cut of this video. Curious to know if the overload cut-out works when the voltage dips too low under load. I want to connect the drill to a car battery and see if the torque increases.
Hahah they fix the communication for that 20% huh 🤔 hahaha hmm what about the 3.0cp vs 3.0 Xc battery ? I’ll way 5% -10% it’s double the batteries 3/6 cells 😂🤔 have you seen the new dewalt pouch cells they will have more burst power amperage but how long will does battery last only time will tell hope they don’t catch in fire for the chemistry I mean years have passed so they have developed a more safe battery I guess
This was the only test I could find that showed the actual amperage usage between batteries of different amperage ratings. The test proved the higher amperage battery indeed provided higher horsepower to the tool. Very simple and very scientific test, Great demonstration.
Omg I'd say that's a test I have never seen anything like that test. Real numbers this is awesome, I wonder what a 3xc and a 3cp battery would do.
I have the 2cp and the 3cp but a 1.5cp. I need to get one and see how battery capacity within the compact series affects output. Would also be cool to get a 3xc and a 6xc to try out, but $$.
Yeah the 3xc vs the 3cp.and I hear ya. This covid is killing me makes money tight due to not working lol
that is what I call a test!
I love this testing so much, could we some more, curious to see a 1.5 vs 2.0 as they feel very different in power on any tool. Also would love to see the 6.0 tested. Thanks so much subscribed!
Good video but what I really want to see is the difference between the cp3.0 and the xc3.0
Yeh... undoubtedly the xc will provide more power. I think a future vid would need to be on compact 1.5 v 2.0 v 3.0 and xc 3.0 v 4.0 and 6.0. But I not going to buy that many batteries for just a boobtube video.
@@RoomForTools The only change I would mKe to your rig is the ability to check voltage/drop. Then you can calculate power 🔋. Otherwise, the best tester ever. I'm curious to see what the 3s3p 9.0 Chinese batteries can push.
Has serious AVE vibes. Great video
While lots videos doing meaningless comparison tests, this video explains everything.
Only downside was only 2.0 and 4.0. Hope you can include 3.0 and 6.0.
Great videos, thanks for the info.
Nice real world test. The xc batteries do pass the eye/feel test as well. I can cut out 6” holes in drywall with the 4ah xc no problem but the 2ah compact will struggle a little.
Great video sir! 👍👍
Nice test!
great video
I would have liked to see the voltage listed at the same time. Since voltage and amps are inverse, is just looking at amps really a good test? I would like to see a similar load test between batteries also showing voltage to see how long each can run. As the voltage drops amps will go up and reduce run time and also create more heat in the device circuit.
I wish you millions of subscribers, awesome high quality content. From my research the compact battery uses 15a continuous 30a peak cells, would there be any advantage to replacing the cells with some higher rated 30A continuous cells? Will use the battery as is for now but when it dies will definitely recycle it.
Thanks! Not sure replacing cells would help hugely as the tools themselves are regulated for maximum current draw. XC batteries *should* be able to deliver twice the amps as compacts, though the tools draw only 10-30% more from them. Probably a wise decision decided with input from the engineers and the legal department!
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The cp1.5 has samsung 15M cells inside. They are rated at 23amps continuous. The problem is the cells & nickel welded to them heat up and changes the resistance of the thermistor. The tool reads this, and lowers or cuts output. Sharing the load between 2 groups of (3) cells allows it to remain cooler and thus run harder. I'm not sure, but I think the m12 tools are able to identify an xc vs cp pack by the voltage drop under load. 6 cells vs 3 cells means shared load, less drop.
Tap a volt meter in, and run that test, you will see what I mean.
That's a cool test pigtail/device you made there, kudos. Thanks for sharing.
Very cool testing rig thanks for video
Should do this to all those knock off cheap batteries. People always directly comparing the run-time, which is stupid for cheaper cells tend to have more Mah than expensive ones made for high draw/amps. The real difference is going to be the power it delivers.
Run time and power delivery are at odds with each other.
@@RoomForTools I've been heavy on 18650//21700 batteries for 15 some years now. Use to make my own vape mods. Needless to say you need to know what you're doing, or can seep/explode. Then I learned thats exactly what is in these tool batteries. Going to 21700 cell my first m12 battery that dies. Just not sure if the onboard safety will stop the extra amps or not. I mean it makes sense... Bit larger, but can hit 35-45 + amps, where as 18650 more like 20-30amps. Or you could buy 21700 at 25-30amps with like twice the Mah that 18650 can offer. Considering at times a 18650 can spike to 35+ amps, I'd think the drill could handle that and then some.
This was really cool, what a smart way to test! If I understand correctly, an amp hour is a measure of capacity. It’s 1k milliamps. So why is it providing higher output/horsepower? Could it be the power state motor sensing there’s more available power available to draw from? Also I had the dampest thing happen. Used the m12 fuel impact driver to break a lug nut loose with a tiny 2.0 battery. Then tried it again in the m12 fuel impact wrench and the impact wrench couldn’t do it! When I put a 6.0 in the impact wrench it tore it right off. Interesting stuff…
XC batteries are in two series in parallel, so potentially twice the current delivery. In reality the tools do not draw twice the amount, but they do draw more.
Very true about the greater the amp hour rating the lower the peak discharge rate. C rate gets in the way with higher A/H but since they are scaled back electronically the regulated peak discharge rate should be the same, just with less voltage drop. Right?
Awesome video btw great idea with using the amp probe!! Takes speculation out of the debate.
I saw a video that just went off torque for the m18 mid torque and the ho xc6.0 performed better than the 8.0 as far as peak torque was concerned. The xc12.0 uses 21700 cells which has a better energy density than the 18650 so it takes the cake for m18. I'd still love to see discharge ratings compared for the higher ah batteries.
Thanks! Yeh, should be less voltage drop, but will need to buy some more batteries to investigate.
great video thanks
I'm only a quarter way through the video but I'm really hoping you load test those batteries because free spinning is not going to pull proper amperage to test them
Wh..why the flip didn't you watch the full video before commenting?
Wow...
You could get a cheap field piece meter that does inrush amps
Hilarious. Well done
Have you tested the amp draw on the m12 fuel circular saw? Was curious if it drawed enough amps (maybe under heavy load) to pick the 4.0 battery over the 6.0? Thanks.
Future!!
I’m one my third failed m12 6ah battery they fail when you draw them down all the way ..
Hey! I was just about to create a similar rig for my M12 tools! Specifically I want to test the 1/2" gen 2 fuel drill which you showed in the first cut of this video. Curious to know if the overload cut-out works when the voltage dips too low under load. I want to connect the drill to a car battery and see if the torque increases.
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Hahah they fix the communication for that 20% huh 🤔 hahaha hmm what about the 3.0cp vs 3.0 Xc battery ? I’ll way 5% -10% it’s double the batteries 3/6 cells 😂🤔 have you seen the new dewalt pouch cells they will have more burst power amperage but how long will does battery last only time will tell hope they don’t catch in fire for the chemistry I mean years have passed so they have developed a more safe battery I guess