@@vism2812i am not sure of that. The next Manager will be worse with the press and public. England still hasn't got the centerbacks Goalkeeper or Defensive midfielder. They won't perform that great. England still has five 10s. How are you gonna maximise them.
@@zirbto5749 dont think of the next managers england as the same as southgate. his squad selection, build up tactics, formation will all be different. since eddie howe and graham potter are the names we’re hearing the most, we can get an idea of what kind of football wants to play. aggressive pressing, free flowing attacking ball is coming to the national team. they have good centerbacks guehi/stones had a great tournament, konsa/gomez are class, and guys like colwill/branthwaite are rising. by 2026 england could look much better
You’ve really articulated how I feel. We have yet again lacked empathy as fans, the one thing that Southgate was supposed to have fixed, that we could celebrate our players again, win or lose - when it was never his responsibility in the first place. The celebrating I’ve seen already from RUclipsrs and other new media people, I think is frankly rancid. I totally see why everyone thinks we so entitled now, really eye opening for me today.
Whoever takes over has a team ready for that next level. Let’s not forget the team/squad that Gareth started with and regardless of what u think of him he’s left us in a brilliant place than when he found us. I’d love Klopp but if it to be an Englishman it must be Eddie Howe. Thanks for the intelligent convo vids Lawrence.
I think you're confusing Southgate's amicable personality & genuine attempts at making a difference with actual competence and ability to get the job done. The 2 (obviously) aren't the same. Harsh reality states that even if you are shorted from the beginning, the onus is on you to earn your way into changing peoples minds. He just couldn't manage that. It's not personal. (How can it be when we don't know him) It's just reality
Southgate was great at getting these multi millionaire divas to think like a team again. Sometimes it's as important as being tacticly competent with a team full of Bellinghams and Rice's etc
Spot on about the English culture and politics aspect. At this point, if the next England manager is English there will be too much pressure to get it to work that the press will tear them to bits. The ONLY manager available right now that would build on the current situation, but also have the distance to be able to not succumb to the press, and let's face it, traditional english right wing exceptionalism is, as you have said, Klopp. Would he do it? He left Liverpool because the pressure was over the top. I'm not sure he'd want what the England boss would give him, sadly.
Respect on southgate's name. Did a brilliant job. Ticked so many boxes but where he fell short is not being willing to take enough risks and play attacking progressive football. Dont particular think hes a great coach. But he seems like a great manager. Would do well at a Sporting director role.
@@bengreenwood1734 As much as he’s inept in this role, he’d make a great assistant or something like that. He shouldn’t have any executive power, but I’m willing to credit him for doing well with building a solid team atmosphere.
What I like about his decision, in particular, is that it leaves open the possibility of him returning in 5, 10 etc. years time if he were to succeed elsewhere. A lot of people have suggested he’s taken the team as far as he can; maybe with more experience he could take them further
Simply stated, i dont think we will see another manager do even remotely as well southgate for decades, possibly in my lifetime. The stats suggest that. Totally agree we're a clickbait country with a completely blinkered view of how England should do I hope im wrong and we now have some legacy and blueprint for an improved England moving forward but our history simply suggests we arent a top nation in the long run
Get Biggest Boss in Football Jurgen or Peps or Anceloti or R.Mancini or A.Conti or M.Lippi will end 62 yrs of hurt at the UK based Euro28, (if not at the USA World Cup 2026, but Messi & Argentina will probably defeat 3 🦁 in that final) Gareth laid the foundation of future success & is appreciated by the majority of 3 🦁 fans. (ESPN poll of 20000+ fans shows 3 in 5 fans think he did a good job). A nice guy who did his best, thats all u can ask for. I think he will win a cup with a nice club like Cyrille Regis's WBA. Prof A.G.Haq
The hardest oponent of the English national team (players and manager) are the English fans and media. For the rest of the world its kinda funny how you crush your own team with your pressure and tabloid headlines.
Im fairly shocked at the decision, im fairly certain England and Southgate was going down that Ole/Jose and Man United route (stay till its really toxic).. i respect Southgate to go out instead of making it toxic for everyone..
Southgate has done a great job laying down the foundations for the next England manager to come in but he has NO trophies to show for it. Plus, this was a necessary move to go in another direction👍
Well said Lawrence about the hounding bit I am not even English but every time England play in a tournament it is marred by so much negativity about the manager and players ruins it for me, England are not good enough they need to reset just look back at English football history and the caliber of managers and players it's still the same nothing won.The rot starts from the top it's the old fart brigade of the English F.A. so if you are a England fan divert your concerns and shouting at the F.A. not players and manager then maybe you will be happy bunnies and maybe one day we won't hear the end of it 😉😁
Nonsense England are good enough back to back finals bad coaching is there problem they have the best set of players they've had in years do you think pep would of lost that final
@@Angel-jh4ok Pep wouldn't touch that job with a barge pole there is too much negativity it's a different environment he has more sense .Who kept Southgate in the job for so long?
Performance matters, not just results. If you’re going to lose in a final or semifinal, how you lose determines how fans feel about the team and manager. Going down swinging and coming up short feels better than going down the way southgate’s teams do, which to me is not playing to your best ability cause he wasn’t able to get them to play at an elite level. Praise his personality and leadership, but absolutely criticize his subpar tactics. If Spain would’ve lost the final, media and fans would not hound the team as much because they played well throughout.
Some people are celebrating, yet they should hold their horses and be careful what they wish for. Southgate has raised standards and expectations. Under Southgate England has gone deep into tournaments. There is now an expectation to win and het to finals. If the next man doesn't qualify or get out of the group-stage, people will be crying out for Southgate in a few years time! There will have to be pragmatism at times, not all teams can merely be turned over. In terms of the new manager: If English, has to be: Eddie Howe or Carsley. If non-English: Klopp (though doubtful he would ever take, as he wants to relax, so no idea why his name is being constantly thrown into the mix). No way Lampard, Rooney or Gerrard. They have poor man-management and inter-personal skills. No way: the Argentian Pochettino.
england didn't learn from germany, when germany played they were better than spain (eventhough they lost), but why did england play like they were afraid of spain until they got 1 down, then they attacked such a silly way to take a game against barcelona, i mean spain
I heard rumours it could be mourinho as england manager would u have him i could see the fa offering it him he has a good manager cv for winning trophies and they did offer it him before he was at spurs think he said klopp be my choice
English fans are some of the most arrogant fans. Southgate is an ok coach but how some treated him was truly pathetic. And to those who say now England just needs a good coach, i should remember all the previous coaches england had that didnt make it to 2 euro finals and a wc semi final. He made mistakes but the way he spoken off was pathetic and imo unpatrotic. To demand a firing of a coach during an euro, its stupid as hell to be kind. Now well see if england will improve or go back to the not even making it to the semi days...
Southgate, seems like a top personable bloke. Yet he is a naive over pragmatic average coach that with the wealth of talent that he had, just couldn't get it over the line. We move on... Would loooove Klopp to be the next guy, but we all know it'll probably be someone like Potter!
All of those who are happy that Southgate left. The grass isn't always greener... I look forward to seeing you cry when we miss tournaments in the future and you beg for Southgate.
#Southagate, Sorry nah if you are going to be a manager of one of the most talented club in football has to be able to ignore the press, something "Pep" can do, as well as #klopp who was 1st choice
Good. Now England might actually have a chance to at the very least play some decent football. What a disgraceful manager he is. All that talent only to play like Stoke 2013.
@@pratosaurusrex1128I did. I just don’t agree with Lawrence. He’s clearly in his feelings about Southgate and can’t separate between Southgate (the nice guy) and Southgate (the manager). I don’t care that Southgate is a nice bloke who once spent a little extra time with Lawrence in an interview. It is irrelevant when judging his ability to lead a team that should be doing better than this. It doesn’t fundamentally change his very extreme and obvious shortcomings as a manager. He never had what it took to do the job well enough to bring a trophy to England. Just enjoying the “vibes” isn’t enough to compete with teams at the very top and if England had a manager who understood that, who had greater tactical acumen, then England would’ve won a Euros by now for sure. But they haven’t. And the reason is very obviously that Southgate lacked the bravery and the tactical ability to bring the most out of what is a pretty star studded team. England have had the easiest draw twice in a row and they’ve barely scraped it to the final. If they played like they have under Southgate on the other side of the draw, they’d get dumped out comfortably. The fans deserve better than a manager who despite all of the riches of talent around him, can’t make them play even remotely coherently.
@@snaggiz it sounds like you are as much in your feelings as Lawrence is, just about hating on Southgate rather than appreciating what he did. I share some of your core opinions on Southgate. At crunch matches he didn’t show bravery or tactical skills to get England over the line when perhaps they could have, and to some extent the talent of the squad has been wasted. But some of Lawrence said about Southgate is also true. As England fans we have this massive monkey on our backs about not winning anything and every tournament where the team underperforms the media and fans lay into the team and the manager. Southgate created an environment where that pressure was not so evident and it allowed the players to play more freely (I’m excluding this tournament because of course we were played negative football for almost all of it). He changed the culture of the international set up and that is something he should be given credit for, and we should be looking to keep with the next manager. England pre Southgate and France at times have shown that if you don’t have unity you won’t go deep in any competition. Let alone win it. So no. He is not a disgrace of a manager, but he is also not good enough to take England to the level they want to be. You can hold both those views.
English entitlement is insane. The fact is England is not seen as a good footballing nation, 1966 is viewed abroad as a fluke by a host country. Yet England “expects” to win major tournaments based on nothing despite no record at all of ever doing it and you start to understand why internationally England is considered a bit of a joke.
@Keiron-pw6sl with the calibre of players at his disposal I'd be shocked if they didn't perform well.... Did you even watch the Euros? Every game was dreadful and their tactics were abysmal.
@Keiron-pw6sl I'm saying basically any manager would have likely done the same with the calibre of players we have. Hell this time around we had the 'easiest' journey to the final and still almost failed at every opportunity..... Southgate was always dreadful. Played an injured Kane all tournament, walker was dreadful, had Trent on the bench instead..... Baffling. Players out of position etc. List goes on.
Utter nonsense. He was a crap manager that stayed in a job too long because those that should have sacked him didn't have the courage to do so and the media gave him a free ride for years. His legacy is failure and a fear of taking risks, and I am glad to see the back of it. I am excited to watch England play football again.
you all lambast him during and before the tournament. now after you switch up when now is the time to criticize and be decisive! you are still repeating your english mistakes. try to see it from the outside perspective ffs.
@@laurencemckenna Fair enough. I still think the praise is incredibly unwarranted. Thats not too say Southgate hasnt done lots of great things for this team. But I think that can be said and mentioned while still acknowledging the bad tactics and ingame management throughout his tenure, which is what lost both finals imo.
It is a sad day for us England hate watchers. We will miss you Southgate.
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Why would we?
England haver performed so much worse before him and it atleast looked better but the results were worse win win for us.
@@zirbto5749england may have performed worse without him, but whoever succeeds him is definitely going to maximize the talent they have now better
@@vism2812i am not sure of that. The next Manager will be worse with the press and public. England still hasn't got the centerbacks Goalkeeper or Defensive midfielder. They won't perform that great. England still has five 10s. How are you gonna maximise them.
@@zirbto5749 dont think of the next managers england as the same as southgate. his squad selection, build up tactics, formation will all be different. since eddie howe and graham potter are the names we’re hearing the most, we can get an idea of what kind of football wants to play. aggressive pressing, free flowing attacking ball is coming to the national team. they have good centerbacks guehi/stones had a great tournament, konsa/gomez are class, and guys like colwill/branthwaite are rising. by 2026 england could look much better
You’ve really articulated how I feel. We have yet again lacked empathy as fans, the one thing that Southgate was supposed to have fixed, that we could celebrate our players again, win or lose - when it was never his responsibility in the first place. The celebrating I’ve seen already from RUclipsrs and other new media people, I think is frankly rancid. I totally see why everyone thinks we so entitled now, really eye opening for me today.
His best footballing decision of his career
Whoever takes over has a team ready for that next level. Let’s not forget the team/squad that Gareth started with and regardless of what u think of him he’s left us in a brilliant place than when he found us. I’d love Klopp but if it to be an Englishman it must be Eddie Howe. Thanks for the intelligent convo vids Lawrence.
I think you're confusing Southgate's amicable personality & genuine attempts at making a difference with actual competence and ability to get the job done. The 2 (obviously) aren't the same. Harsh reality states that even if you are shorted from the beginning, the onus is on you to earn your way into changing peoples minds. He just couldn't manage that. It's not personal. (How can it be when we don't know him) It's just reality
Southgate was great at getting these multi millionaire divas to think like a team again. Sometimes it's as important as being tacticly competent with a team full of Bellinghams and Rice's etc
@@TheGoat-h2f I agree,but it doesn't change what I said.
Spot on
Thanks Laurence for talking so eloquently and prodding us to ask ourselves some important questions
Spot on about the English culture and politics aspect. At this point, if the next England manager is English there will be too much pressure to get it to work that the press will tear them to bits. The ONLY manager available right now that would build on the current situation, but also have the distance to be able to not succumb to the press, and let's face it, traditional english right wing exceptionalism is, as you have said, Klopp. Would he do it? He left Liverpool because the pressure was over the top. I'm not sure he'd want what the England boss would give him, sadly.
The "not the Kick Off you" is so much a better you. Insightful thouhgts as "you".
I love and appreciate the content you put together, keep your head up Laurence 🙏🏽❤️
Great coverage as always 🫡👊🏿
Respect on southgate's name. Did a brilliant job. Ticked so many boxes but where he fell short is not being willing to take enough risks and play attacking progressive football.
Dont particular think hes a great coach. But he seems like a great manager. Would do well at a Sporting director role.
@@bengreenwood1734 As much as he’s inept in this role, he’d make a great assistant or something like that. He shouldn’t have any executive power, but I’m willing to credit him for doing well with building a solid team atmosphere.
Eddie Howe .... No one else should get the job
He won't take a pay cut though
What I like about his decision, in particular, is that it leaves open the possibility of him returning in 5, 10 etc. years time if he were to succeed elsewhere. A lot of people have suggested he’s taken the team as far as he can; maybe with more experience he could take them further
Simply stated, i dont think we will see another manager do even remotely as well southgate for decades, possibly in my lifetime. The stats suggest that.
Totally agree we're a clickbait country with a completely blinkered view of how England should do
I hope im wrong and we now have some legacy and blueprint for an improved England moving forward but our history simply suggests we arent a top nation in the long run
Get Biggest Boss in Football Jurgen or Peps or Anceloti or R.Mancini or A.Conti or M.Lippi will end 62 yrs of hurt at the UK based Euro28, (if not at the USA World Cup 2026, but Messi & Argentina will probably defeat 3 🦁 in that final)
Gareth laid the foundation of future success & is appreciated by the majority of 3 🦁 fans.
(ESPN poll of 20000+ fans shows 3 in 5 fans think he did a good job).
A nice guy who did his best, thats all u can ask for. I think he will win a cup with a nice club like Cyrille Regis's WBA.
Prof A.G.Haq
Time to get a good manager
Happy that Southgate is no longer England's manager .
The hardest oponent of the English national team (players and manager) are the English fans and media. For the rest of the world its kinda funny how you crush your own team with your pressure and tabloid headlines.
No laurence no party
Im fairly shocked at the decision, im fairly certain England and Southgate was going down that Ole/Jose and Man United route (stay till its really toxic).. i respect Southgate to go out instead of making it toxic for everyone..
Southgate has done a great job laying down the foundations for the next England manager to come in but he has NO trophies to show for it. Plus, this was a necessary move to go in another direction👍
Well said Lawrence about the hounding bit I am not even English but every time England play in a tournament it is marred by so much negativity about the manager and players ruins it for me, England are not good enough they need to reset just look back at English football history and the caliber of managers and players it's still the same nothing won.The rot starts from the top it's the old fart brigade of the English F.A. so if you are a England fan divert your concerns and shouting at the F.A. not players and manager then maybe you will be happy bunnies and maybe one day we won't hear the end of it 😉😁
Nonsense England are good enough back to back finals bad coaching is there problem they have the best set of players they've had in years do you think pep would of lost that final
@@Angel-jh4ok Pep wouldn't touch that job with a barge pole there is too much negativity it's a different environment he has more sense .Who kept Southgate in the job for so long?
@@neilg8009 I agree it would be nice tho
Performance matters, not just results. If you’re going to lose in a final or semifinal, how you lose determines how fans feel about the team and manager. Going down swinging and coming up short feels better than going down the way southgate’s teams do, which to me is not playing to your best ability cause he wasn’t able to get them to play at an elite level. Praise his personality and leadership, but absolutely criticize his subpar tactics. If Spain would’ve lost the final, media and fans would not hound the team as much because they played well throughout.
Some people are celebrating, yet they should hold their horses and be careful what they wish for.
Southgate has raised standards and expectations. Under Southgate England has gone deep into tournaments. There is now an expectation to win and het to finals. If the next man doesn't qualify or get out of the group-stage, people will be crying out for Southgate in a few years time! There will have to be pragmatism at times, not all teams can merely be turned over.
In terms of the new manager:
If English, has to be: Eddie Howe or Carsley.
If non-English: Klopp (though doubtful he would ever take, as he wants to relax, so no idea why his name is being constantly thrown into the mix).
No way Lampard, Rooney or Gerrard. They have poor man-management and inter-personal skills.
No way: the Argentian Pochettino.
england didn't learn from germany, when germany played they were better than spain (eventhough they lost), but why did england play like they were afraid of spain until they got 1 down, then they attacked such a silly way to take a game against barcelona, i mean spain
Rumours are that ETH is feeling the heat, Southgate is incoming 😂
"Stepped down" 😂😂😂 nah fired!! He's shite
Sad sad times. Southgate is a big loss
I just hope we get a new LB as Shaw will be too old soon
I heard rumours it could be mourinho as england manager would u have him i could see the fa offering it him he has a good manager cv for winning trophies and they did offer it him before he was at spurs think he said klopp be my choice
Way too long coming! Thank God that "Pep" is stepping up as the second choice to #klopp
English fans are some of the most arrogant fans. Southgate is an ok coach but how some treated him was truly pathetic.
And to those who say now England just needs a good coach, i should remember all the previous coaches england had that didnt make it to 2 euro finals and a wc semi final.
He made mistakes but the way he spoken off was pathetic and imo unpatrotic. To demand a firing of a coach during an euro, its stupid as hell to be kind.
Now well see if england will improve or go back to the not even making it to the semi days...
Southgate, seems like a top personable bloke.
Yet he is a naive over pragmatic average coach that with the wealth of talent that he had, just couldn't get it over the line.
We move on... Would loooove Klopp to be the next guy, but we all know it'll probably be someone like Potter!
All of those who are happy that Southgate left. The grass isn't always greener... I look forward to seeing you cry when we miss tournaments in the future and you beg for Southgate.
GRAHAM POTTER 2026 LMAOOOO
Pep Guardiola coach England 🏴🏴
Go and look at all the videos of England fans fighting England fans after the final ... Says everything about us as a fanbase.
#Southagate, Sorry nah if you are going to be a manager of one of the most talented club in football has to be able to ignore the press, something "Pep" can do, as well as #klopp who was 1st choice
We're all thinking it - Mark Goldbridge clickbait and Southgate hate has been annoying and toxic
Would u go onto the club to do a show with them ?
Why would he go onto that clown show?
Good. Now England might actually have a chance to at the very least play some decent football. What a disgraceful manager he is. All that talent only to play like Stoke 2013.
You didn’t watch the video huh?
@@pratosaurusrex1128I did. I just don’t agree with Lawrence. He’s clearly in his feelings about Southgate and can’t separate between Southgate (the nice guy) and Southgate (the manager). I don’t care that Southgate is a nice bloke who once spent a little extra time with Lawrence in an interview. It is irrelevant when judging his ability to lead a team that should be doing better than this. It doesn’t fundamentally change his very extreme and obvious shortcomings as a manager. He never had what it took to do the job well enough to bring a trophy to England.
Just enjoying the “vibes” isn’t enough to compete with teams at the very top and if England had a manager who understood that, who had greater tactical acumen, then England would’ve won a Euros by now for sure. But they haven’t. And the reason is very obviously that Southgate lacked the bravery and the tactical ability to bring the most out of what is a pretty star studded team. England have had the easiest draw twice in a row and they’ve barely scraped it to the final. If they played like they have under Southgate on the other side of the draw, they’d get dumped out comfortably. The fans deserve better than a manager who despite all of the riches of talent around him, can’t make them play even remotely coherently.
@@snaggiz it sounds like you are as much in your feelings as Lawrence is, just about hating on Southgate rather than appreciating what he did.
I share some of your core opinions on Southgate. At crunch matches he didn’t show bravery or tactical skills to get England over the line when perhaps they could have, and to some extent the talent of the squad has been wasted.
But some of Lawrence said about Southgate is also true. As England fans we have this massive monkey on our backs about not winning anything and every tournament where the team underperforms the media and fans lay into the team and the manager. Southgate created an environment where that pressure was not so evident and it allowed the players to play more freely (I’m excluding this tournament because of course we were played negative football for almost all of it).
He changed the culture of the international set up and that is something he should be given credit for, and we should be looking to keep with the next manager. England pre Southgate and France at times have shown that if you don’t have unity you won’t go deep in any competition. Let alone win it.
So no. He is not a disgrace of a manager, but he is also not good enough to take England to the level they want to be. You can hold both those views.
delusional, southgate is not even championship level
English entitlement is insane. The fact is England is not seen as a good footballing nation, 1966 is viewed abroad as a fluke by a host country. Yet England “expects” to win major tournaments based on nothing despite no record at all of ever doing it and you start to understand why internationally England is considered a bit of a joke.
Hooray!
I might be able to watch an enjoyable England game maybe.
@@DanCollier1he took them further further than any other manager did you enjoy the managers that went before him then
@Keiron-pw6sl with the calibre of players at his disposal I'd be shocked if they didn't perform well....
Did you even watch the Euros? Every game was dreadful and their tactics were abysmal.
@@DanCollier1 I know they were all I'm saying is he took us to back to back finals yeh we didn't win one but he's the only England manager to do that
@Keiron-pw6sl I'm saying basically any manager would have likely done the same with the calibre of players we have. Hell this time around we had the 'easiest' journey to the final and still almost failed at every opportunity..... Southgate was always dreadful. Played an injured Kane all tournament, walker was dreadful, had Trent on the bench instead..... Baffling. Players out of position etc. List goes on.
Utter nonsense. He was a crap manager that stayed in a job too long because those that should have sacked him didn't have the courage to do so and the media gave him a free ride for years.
His legacy is failure and a fear of taking risks, and I am glad to see the back of it. I am excited to watch England play football again.
The football was crap and predictable, all the rest of it is secondary.
you all lambast him during and before the tournament. now after you switch up when now is the time to criticize and be decisive! you are still repeating your english mistakes. try to see it from the outside perspective ffs.
I didn’t lambast him at all. Others did though. Find one time when I was unfair on Southgate.
@@laurencemckenna Fair enough. I still think the praise is incredibly unwarranted. Thats not too say Southgate hasnt done lots of great things for this team. But I think that can be said and mentioned while still acknowledging the bad tactics and ingame management throughout his tenure, which is what lost both finals imo.
Good bye finally ❤😂🎉😢😮😅