Russia retreats in Kherson & the problem with Musk's 'peace plan' | Ukraine: The Latest | Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2022
- Day 223
Today, we discuss the latest updates from the warzone as the Ukrainian army pushes Russian troops back in Kherson - we also analyse European energy security as Autumn descends across the continent and discuss some of the revealing reactions to tweets by Tesla founder Elon Musk.
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David Knowles (Host). Follow David on Twitter @djknowles22
Francis Dearnley (Assistant Comment Editor). Follow Francis on Twitter @FrancisDearnley.
Joe Barnes (Brussels correspondent).
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I look forward to this broadcast on my RUclips account every day. Really well done. Dom is the man. Greetings from Lincroft, New Jersey USA
These "Ukraine: The Latest" podcasts are always excellent. Listening in Ireland.
The "nuclear train" consists of a train loaded with armored vehicles that are specific to protecting nuclear weapons outside of storage (or silos). The video shows the vehicles north of Moscow, and geolocation along with the actual direction of travel shows the train headed NORTH, not south. For those geographically challenged, that means headed away from Ukraine. It could be they are headed for storage areas to load up with nuclear weapons, but it is being represented incorrectly by the media not bothering to even figure out the direction of travel. FYI, love the Telegraph podcast and look forward to it every day here in the USA. Far superior coverage compared to US media.
I’m geographically challenged. I can’t even remember where I parked half the time.
How many people living in Russia would like the opportunity to be Ukrainian. Maybe a referendum in St Petersburg.
Absurd.
@@Anna87147 That's the point.
Why not? they could have the option of joining whatever country is closest and/or the one most favourable to the individual. Finland anyone?
Karelia may want back to Finland...
@@zapfanzapfan - that could be on the referendum too!
These podcasts have been among the best sources of thorough insight on the RU/UA war and related geopolitics available on the web. Thanks so much for them!
The OODA loop was created by fighter pilot Colonel John Boyd USAF as part of his development of air combat tactics using his energy management diagrams and systems. He did it between the Korean and Vietnam conflicts - not pre-WWII. It has now spread beyond air combat into business and industry. Credit where it's due.
Fantastic podcast series!
Yeah I like Dom too. He’s the best. He’s got military experience as well!
Great podcast and to add comment for what's its worth about the train movements, Russian sources mentioned the launchers where used to flatten maripol so possibly the train was for restocking armaments since it was also said on same feed those trucks heading for crimea. Another comment on the black sea fleet being at risk was said early last week by UK defence advisor which in the same sentence said or knocking out satellites, this was said on live TV. The sky interviewer bulked at the comment as it was such a strong statement
Elon Musk's vanity and ego causes him to fancy himself a genius not only with respect to technological and business matters, but also the field of geo-politics. Unfortunately, his ideas in this area put him in the category of intellectually mediocre weak sisters, so common in the West, who are ruled by fear and do not understand the long term danger associated with appeasing Putin. Sadly, such people show themselves to be detached from reality in such a way and such a degree as to render them completely out of their depth in dealing with the many important public issues the understanding of which require a shrewd and realistic appraisal of human nature in order to be successfully addressed.
I think this (Elon Musk's rather arrogantly naive intrusion into the realm of politics, akin to that of Jordan Peterson or Noam Chomsky) is revealing of today's crisis in expertise. Where individuals who may be brilliant in one area need to express their opinion on everything that comes their way, and have a hitherto unforeseen social media loudspeaker to do it with.
Well worded. Agreed.
I know quite a few russians who opposed the theft of Crimea...also know a bunch who just don't care to whom it belongs.
Bill Gates comes to mind
Frances often right on point.
Watching from Lancaster County Pennsylvania,USA
I'm not Ukrainian however I do think Ilon Musks proposal is based on ignorance and misunderstanding of the whole issue.
That is very likely. Musk is pro Ukraine as he has demonstrated with starlink, but his take is correct. It does not help the Ukrainian narrative and narrative is important.
My new favorite, broad tange, reliable info. From globe, Arizona, usa
The stupidity of Musk's suggestion is how can a fair referendum be held if most of the supporting Ukrainian population has moved out of the annexed areas or been forcibly relocated to Russia. What also wasn't mentioned was that, potentially, the risk of a nuclear intervention from Putin may increase in winter if the Russian situation becomes so desperate that Putin sees this as his only option. I imagine tactical nukes could be fired/dropped from within the Russian border?
Putin’s worst fate would to be reincarnated as himself.
Only a multibillionaire could make such a suggestion.
Yea I’ve been warning that this is what’s going to happen if we don’t force Ukraine to engange in serious peace talks
Thanks guys for another great podcast.
I just want to say, I have watched videos recently of newly conscripted Russian troops that were captured in their first few days of the war. One in particular, a very young guy, who had a leg injury said he was grabbed right out of university and was sent to front lines within mere days. He also said there was ZERO training. In doing this, it is quite clear what the intention is for the use of these 300k conscripts. It IS cannon fodder. To waste Ukraine's munitions, time and hoping maybe taking out some Ukrainians if luck would have it?
Zero training is disgraceful....I just don't know what ALL the people at the top are thinking cos it's not just Putin making these decisions....they ALL have blood on their hands and it's disgusting that these people would rather use their people as CANNON FODDER than risk disagreeing with a NUTCASE!!!
Great analysis, keep it coming. Atlanta GA USA
Unless he's putting together aid packages, I do wish Elon would shut it.
Musk STINKS,
Amazing how clearly knowledgeable people still can’t pronounce “nuclear”.
knowledgeable ?
poepel?
I agree the idea that Pootin would stop at the regions already annexed is ridiculous
Podcast is top!!
Less than a decade ago, Putin, weighing in on the alleged Russian meddling in Catalonia, said very specifically that Kosovo was a "Pandora's Box" and therefore justification for Russia to flex its imperialist muscles as well. What he fails to realize is that he has opened one up himself. I predict that Belgorod will *not* be the only Russian city affected in the end.
I think general Eloniev Muskovich, deserves a retirement to siberia (to join lieutenant Snowdenov), but first apply a nice embargo
Winter in Ukraine >>>>> The coldest periods are those in which the Siberian Anticyclone settles in the country: in these situations, the temperature can drop to -20 °C (-4 °F) or even below. The cold records are around -30/-35 °C (-22/-31 °F).
What were the yellow light columns that was seen in Belgorod?
The space force flexing its Star Wars toys.
As for Musks idea about the pro-Ruzzians living in Ukraine have a right to chose ... they also have the right to choose to move to Ruzzia!! A handful of citizens have zero rights to split their country into territories.
Mr Putin, time to go! May the Virgin of Vladimir, St Basil the Blessed and St George intercede with the Almighty for an end to Putin's murderous regime. May Ukraine fight successfully for a just peace.
Musk should spend more time trying to get people to mars and less time trying to sort out Ukraine. Last time I checked, he wasn’t a politician
Can we please, please, PLEASE stop talking about Musk and his stupid tweets?!
Why do we give him this kind of attention?!
Please. Let‘s focus on stuff that matters. Rather than stupid personal opinions of some random billionair!
He gets the attention because lots of people adopt his ideas as if they were valid. Look at the bitcoin price following his comments. There are a lot of people out there who seem to have delegated their thinking to Elon Musk. Sadly, these people vote and are part of public opinion. If Musk has exceptional influence then he has exceptional responsibility NOT to undermine democratic counties fighting for their survival. Every pressure available should be brought to bare on Musk, such that he winces every time he remembers his ludicrously naive posts.
Final words then : he dated Amber Heard 😊
Why did this get pulled from the web yesterday?
Musk's remarks appear to be motivated by a belief that there would be fewer deaths if hostilities were stopped. It appears his remarks are well meaning but not adequately developed. He fails to account for the principle that an aggressor must not be rewarded if that can be accomplished. In this case it appears it can be accomplished because of the morally sound support of the western democracies. Best wishes for Ukraine's success in establishing a robust border with Russia.
Previous "edition/version" of Musk (1937): after the Munich Pact Elon Musk praises Chamberlain's forevision to avoid war with Hitler's III Reich and accuses Churchill of warmongering. OOPS"!
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Musk is afraid of losing his Chinese investment.
Untrained conscripts? No. Experienced reservists, Yes.
Musk’s other genius peace plan is to get Taiwan to agree to a “Hong Kong” type deal with China. Well we all know how that would turn out! The real question is what it’s worth to Musk. I’m not a twitter user, but if this is his idea of equitable settlement of disputes I wouldn’t stay with Twitter after he’s bought it.😂
To date only 85,000 Russians have been killed and injured. Winter will not cause a stop in the war. During the 3 1/2 months of the Winter War between Russia and Finland, Russia suffered over 380,000 killed and injured. Although grossly outnumbered, Finland was better organised, better trained, better led and better armed than Russia.
Winter is coming. Finnish the job.
Like the Finnish 😂😂! Putin has a vision, a mission, to drag Russia back to the good old KBG days, particularly the wonderful time when Stalin commandeered the Ukrainian harvest in the 1930s as punishment for wanting independence, resulting in 3-5 million deaths from famine. (Look up Holodomor). Unfortunately for Putin modern communications are such that nothing can be hidden, the whole free world can see what’s going on and is reacting accordingly, much to it’s credit. I wonder if WW2 could have been avoided if there had been the same reaction to German expansion? 🤔
Зима в Украине >>>>> Самыми холодными периодами являются те, в которые сибирский антициклон поселяется в стране: в этих ситуациях температура может опускаться до -20 °C (-4 °F) или даже ниже. Холодные рекорды составляют около -30 / -35 ° C (-22 / -31 ° F).
Elon Musk is a big movie fan and at the moment he wants to be Tony Stark 🤣
Stick to delivering Starlinks Elon...
All US spending on the War in Afghanistan exceeded $2 trillion.
Since February 24, countries and international organizations have allocated more than $75 billion to help Ukraine.
The total cost of the Apollo program was about $25.4 billion, or about $152 billion in today's dollars.
NASA's Artemis lunar program is expected to spend $86 billion by 2025. The long-term goal of the program is to establish a permanent base on the Moon and facilitate manned missions to Mars.
Elon Musk has calculated that it would take $1 trillion to successfully colonize Mars. Just the money that the US spent on the War in Afghanistan would be enough for this.
Instead of funding the colonization of other planets or anything else useful, the leadership of countries finances wars. As a result, the development of civilization slows down, unnecessary sacrifices and destruction appear. The leaders of different countries work inefficiently and not in the interests of the people.
Seemingly as someone who wants to colonize Mars, Musk decided that it would be wiser to direct the costs of wars towards the colonization of planets.
Why all this fuss about this Musk guy. My plumber has better plans... Greetings from Holland. Oh, and we held a quicky referendum and now Siberia belongs to us...
Musk didn’t found Tesla
Great analysis as always.
I love this podcast, but the commercial interruptions are unbearable. I can't listen to five minutes of commercial for every two minutes of content.
Did putin say uk next
"NUCULAR"; What is "NUCULAR"?
Are million russian troops going ukraine
The Russkie army was perceived to be the 2nd best army in the world.
Now the truth is out.
The Russkie's have the 2nd best army in Ukraine.
PERCEIVED, that;s the adjective. Same happened in 1905 and a new tiny guest to the world scene TRASHED the "mighty" Russian Empire; that was JAPAN. What that defeat disenchained SHOCKED THE XXth century
@@fan8281xx I noticed it and have corrected it in later postings.
More with the constant fear mongering about this nuke bs. Refer to my comment from last podcast. So many reasons why Putler won't use nukes. I've listened to this podcast from day 1 and enjoy it but I personally won't listen if it continues. And Francis, one train car is NOT significant
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Elon Musk is a real genius.
That's why WE, SENSIBLE GREY FOLK, must put that genie BACK INTO THE BOTTLE
Musk would be brilliant if he weren't such a dolt. I think he should understand that at common law, having entered onto a public duty voluntarily, one may not say, "We can't afford to continue", as he is with Starlink in Ukraine. Perhaps we should close his Tesla plant in Communist China,to sharpen his mind a tad.
Elon Musk is disconnected from reality.
I'm British but lived in Russia for 18 years until this year ... I know Russia and Russians. Normal Russian people don't care about the separatist 'Republics'. Any full mobilisation to protect them will be resisted. BUT, every single Russian person I have ever spoken to about this 100% believe that Crimea is Russian territory. Any attempt to retake Crimea would spark a full mobilisation of the Russian army and the vast majority of Russians would support this, not only support, but demand this.
This is just a fact. Ukraine need to recognise this. As unpleasant as it sounds, Crimea is gone.
The "feeling" of the russian people stopped factoring into this a long long time ago. Not caring about separatist regions where your government has sparked and sponsored a violent insurrection, but simultaneously caring about Crimea being russian is almost a symbol of russias lethargic and demented views on reality.
In the UN charter, there is no mention of a peoples feeling towards borders. Borders are set and any attempt to change those with force is illegal. This charter was also signed by russia.
All the territories, including Crimea will be returned As unpleasant that may sound to russians. They'll get over it.
It doesn't matter, if their army is hollow, which it is.
Thing is it belongs to Ukraine and the free world agrees, also Russia is to weak to have its way by force as we are seeing…..
Elon Musk needs to stay in his lane.
Musk is a muppet
By rejecting Musk out of hand, the show tips its hand as not an independant source.
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Adds suck . Every 3 min . Please chill the fk out on the adds .
No journalistic integrity whatsoever.
lol
RUBBISH PODCAST===WOOOOOKE
Video mate , other pop on pod cast, Not interested in audio on youtube.