BATMAN/THE SHADOW #1 - Razör vs. Comics
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- The Dark Knight meets... some guy in spandex.
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I remember when they had Adam West basicly play The Shadow in Batman the animated series. Explaining he was Bruce Wayne's childhood hero and insperation.
And I also find it funny that there were/are complaints that "Zorro" was ripping off Batman, when Zorro was created 20 years before Batman was even drawn.
Peter Banderas the Gray Ghost!
they wanted to use the shadow but due to copyright issues it was a no go
I mean, aren't the similar aspects between the two of them also present in The Scarlet Pimpernel? Because that's even older.
Yes, and it was one of the best episodes in my opinion...."Beware the Grey Ghost" i think was the name of the episode
I would not mind Batman getting away with theft except for the fact that DC sued Fawcett over Captain Marvel's (SHAZAM) mild similarities to Superman, which IMO was bullshit.
And the funny thing... Later DC took the character and used it for its own company :P
(And now that they're making a movie about the ORIGINAL Captain Marvel, I wouldn't be surprised if the character gets more merchandise than usual)
Eh, different people did those things, and besides Batman quickly became his own thing.
I'll be happy when the Shadow teams up with Moon Knight.
But it'll be three panels, each consisting of Lamont Cranston footing the bill for a decent therapist.
The Rageaholic This is the spark...
The Rageaholic Have you read Moon Knight? I keep hearing good things about it.
Which Moon Knight? Hes been redone several times, and i've heard that virtually all of them are solid. Personally i prefer his original run.
His most recent one, where no-one knows who he is because he's a niche superhero.
I just realised. In Dawn of Justice, the Waynes were walking out after a screening of "Excalibur" rather than "Mark of Zorro" to facilitate the more modern retelling of Batman. I have to wonder how long before this eventually leads to a film with the Waynes walking out of "The Shadow" and this comes full circle.
we need The Shadow and Daredevil to cross over for no other reason than they both wear red and black
That would be fucking amazing.
I always thought a TMNT/Daredevil comic would be badass.
Kevin Hortachata definitely DD / TMNT crossover needs to happen
Actually, doesn't sounds bad... As long as they get a better writter and a better artist than this piece of crap of crossover, it can actually work "well" (considering how The Shadow from comic medias is shown)
You know, I hear people often mention the Wolverine/Lobo fight in the Marvel/DC crossover as just being brought on by surface-level similarities (ie badasses who smoke cigars), but Lobo was actually created SPECIFICALLY to parody Wolverine and other over-the-top, gruff, hyper-violent anti-heroes who were popular at the time. So while I wouldn't say it's in any way similar to Batman and the Shadow (where Batman was literally a ripoff of the Shadow from his inception), Lobo is specifically a parody character (mostly) of Wolverine, so there's a lot more to them being chosen to fight than just surface-level similarities (which are in fact a direct result of Lobo being a Wolverine joke). That being said, popularity determined the results of those fights and Wolverine winning is complete bullshit lol.
Enjoyed the video, do more comic stuff man.
Yea because Lobo is pretty powerful
Hey Razörfist, would you consider ever doing a video about another great hero of the pulp age, The Phantom!
Love to and plan to. He's one of my favorite characters.
Badass. That character is really underrated.
The Rageaholic What about Doc Savage?
Hell yeah!!
Oh-ho-ho....It's gonna be salty in Gotham, I can already tell...
Excellent job on the video. Never have I heard the story of Batman's first (plaguristic) appearance told in such an over the top and hilarious style. My hat's off to you sir, both on your knowledge of The Shadow and your passion for the character.
Who knows what lurks in the heart of comics?
The god damn razorfist!
Yup, another great review. My dad put me on to The Shadow with the 70's DC comics series, then I bought many of the pulps as a kid as they were often in print and available at the local bookstore. He has always been (and continues to be) my favorite comic/pulp hero and wish he would truly get his day on the big screen with the intensity of character that he warrants vs. the campier treatment he received in the Alec Baldwin film. Who knows, though, if we'll ever see him truly done justice. I guess "The Shadow Knows".
I know that you're not beholden to us viewers, but your comic book videos have quickly become my favorites and would love to see more of them.
The way this book works is like if you loaded up a save of an open world RPG halfway into the main quest after some DLC comes out.
Concise and interesting again. And a dig at alan moore... thank you good sir. Hearing that bearded wierdo talk about how he wanted to find the middle ground between porn & eroitca pissed me off considerably.
chris campbell I felt grubby just reading the synopsis of lost girls. I bet alan moore mastered the art of one handed typing when he was writing that
chris campbell hmm. I dont know whats worse; the mental image of moore wanking, or having sex with someone. That is not something anyone should dwell on
Batman is and always will be my favorite but truth is truth, gotta acknowledge that , props to you sir
Great video, and the historical research was something I had not seen before, and I consider myself to be both a Shadow and a Batman fan!
The world needs a revival of The Shadow.
And The Phantom. Flash Gordon too
Bro! First off I love your voice you sound like someone off of a goofy movie or animaniacs!
Secondly your energy and the way that you are explaining everything is top notch! I have known of the Shadow for quite a while but now knowing what you have explained in this video makes everything set in stone! You are awesome dude!!!
An excellent breakdown man. I love your intensity in disclosing the truth, lol. Will we ever see The Shadow emerge in his own right above Batman? Perhaps not but one can only hope. It would be righteous.
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men.
THE SHADOW FUCKING KNOWS!
Props to Scott Snyder for not making The Shadow Batman's bitch. They could've easily gone down that route like how they do with alot of other characters
This is why I'm always interested in what Bob Kane's red tights wearing version "The Bat-Man" would have developed like because it's clear Finger (for all the shit people give Bob over screwing him over) lifted just as much if not more from the shadow as a character than old Robert
thevideosinc yes i know however I'm talking about how Bill was said to be the one who created the billionaire persona, the idea of him being driven around and several other very shadow like things that if not pushed to do I think Bob would have taken in a different direction.
SlySpy tracing over art yes, concepts however is what I'm more interested in. And as someone who hates batman as a character... I'm okay with the fact bill got screwed over.
Razor is in full Don Dokken mode in this video
Good stuff as usual, mate, but one quick thing:
Bi-Monthly means they produce an issue once every two months. The term you're looking for is bi-weekly, which would produce two issues a month. Unless you're saying the Shadow became less popular, of course.
I'm sure he meant what you thoughtt hell when I saw it say "twice a month" I thought of bi monthly.
Yeet! More Razorfist reviews! Great review, learned a lot. Thanks for the awesome content!
Is no one going to talk about that amazing Daredevil cut out??? Beautiful
that's what I love about your vids. You never make statements without metric fucktons of evidence. Thanks for the Batman Redpill.
You might know notice the intentional prevalence of Red in Flashpoint's Batman costume now IE The Batman with guns...
Would love to hear your option about Sjw Shit stain that is "Champions"..though i can guess your options.
How about Batman/Turtles Crossover Comic review? it is kinda good,bats is really bulky in it But it is fun.
Yeah..I talk with you about some sjw stuff? well something atleast..i might used my old pic then.
Tekking 101 and his backup channel are good..I LIKE anime but somehow i dont watch must about Anime YT channels..Tekking is one that i really like to watch.
TGS Anime is pretty nice too..but i watch more Comic stuff or Tekkings discussions about One piece Charcters or something.
Do I even wanna ask about this Champions?
TrainerRED Charizard I don't think you're using the word "options" correctly
Yeah..I just want to see razor yell about the comic and then rip it to pieces..
Wait...Scott Snyder wrote this!??!!! I’M GETTING THIS COMIC RIGHT NOW!!!
I've been following this story arc closely; the fourth issue comes out later this month. I have to admit, I'm absolutely LOVING where it's going, but at the same time, it isn't perfect. Your basic problems with the "hamfisted" approach to sticking the Shadow and his agents into Gotham is something I fully agree with, but at the same time, if you're going to have the Shadow and Batman exist in the same world, I don't know how I personally could have done it better. And, as you said, much of what is done for the plot actually works fairly well, given the Shadow's near-omnipotent existence. I'm very excited for the next issue; I don't know if you're still reading it, or have done any other videos on it, but I hope that if you are/have, you're enjoying it. :)
You should look into the Black Bat pulp character. Black Bat's true identity is Anthony Quinn, a district attorney who had acid thrown in his face in court which blinds him. (Sound familiar yet?). BUT he undergoes an experimental surgery which not only restores his sight, but helps him see in the dark and gives him advanced strength. So now by day, he fights justice in the courtroom, and by night he fights justice on the streets (Does that also sound familiar?)
The edge that Batman has over the shadow and part of the reason for the appeal is Batman’s rogue gallery. The only other character to have an impressive rogue gallery is Spider-Man. Those villains is what makes Batman. Take that away and the character dies. Anybody that wants to make a superhero comic book, listen to me, work on your villains.
Superman and the Flash have some underrated villains Too NGL(even if Lex Luthor and Reverse Flash steal most of the attention)
How's progress in your second The Shadow radio broadcast going?
Despite stopping thieves, Batman was made by them, and in more than one sense.
How poetic.
Ain't no link to the reading in your description, my man. Maybe cause I am on the phone, but I don't see a link.
I have to say, I essentially agree with you on this Razorfist, but I am willing to give the series a chance & make a final verdict upon completion.
To be fair bill finger did NOT want to release that comic. They only created it as an early test run. It was bob kane who said “why not?“ and put it out.
Makes me think of the Batman TAS episode "The Grey Ghost" was another homage to The Shadow in a way.
So no 80's metal song at the end of the video? Razor I am worried about you.
Damn that video description was subzero XDXDXDXD
6:31 - For those who don't -know- care he's talking about ShadowHawk, named as such because Liefeld's group of chuckleheads thought they were being cute....only to then make him look like another Wolverine lookalike to throw on their pile XD
Shadowhawk was actually created by Jim Valentino, though he was one of the flagship Image characters from the 90s alongside Liefeld's Youngblood.
That bandanna has to be Razor at his most flower power.
The 1920s silent movie the bat was also a major influence on batman even more then the shadow .
::Sees the Lost Girl's cover pop up:: *SHOTS FUCKING FIRED!*
Any word on that Witcher Plagiarism video, Sir?
It's already up.
What the fuck, where did my comment go.
You sure? Can't seem to find it.
RUclips's going bonkers.
sure you saw it? i see a video on the top 5 elric novels and a stream where the topic is making an elric game but no videos about the plagiarism between the two characters.
It takes guts for a man like him to admit that even though he’s a Batman fan since he was child. Acknowledge Plagiarism of the shadow.
every kid wanted to be batman but i wanted to be the shadow or the punisher :P
I wanted to be Magneto.
I wanted to be the Ghost Rider
super sonic/early bruce willis characters (die hard, hudson hawk, last boyscout).
I'd like to be both Batman and the Shadow.
I have been waiting for this! I agree on the art. It is not bad, but leaves something to be desired. I did greatly enjoy the story and I cannot wait to see what happens next. I understand that you needed to tell the history that the Shadow and Batman have with how Bats was created, but I feel like you could have spent a little more time on the actual comic. Hopefully we can see a full review of this series when this badass crossover is done.
It will be interesting to see what Dynamite does with their The Shadow/Batman crossover starting soon.
The Shadow movie needs a reboot.
Do you really trust ANYONE in Hollyweird today to NOT totally fuck it up?
With a good director and writter (and most important: WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS A LOT OF THE CHARACTER) it could be a thing.
I would like to see another Shadow movie.
As much as I like Batman,Batman needs a break. He needs to sit in his cave and order bat pizza. lol
Will give this title a shot! And 'll be checking out 'Partners of Peril!"
THEY DID DO GRAY GHOST AS A HOMAGE IN THE ANIMATED SERIES
Nice too see you used that Metal cover of the Shadow theme I sent you keep up the Good Work man.
The Shadow,and Doc Savage are the only too people who can beat batman at his own game.
And slightly less known, kane and finger also ripped Spider(another shadow rip, but at least he owned it) for Bruce waynes backstory and possibly the name bases for Richard Greyson and Alfred Pennyworth
Batman/The Shadow: The Murder Geniuses (as they have titled the TPB) is done, and I doubt you'd like the ending, Razorfist.
However, Dynamite Entertainment is coing out with theirs, The Shadow/Batman #1, from Dynamite Entertainment this time, hits shelves on Oct. 4th 2017.
Update: It's not a reprint of the DC series.
I mean, the Shadow sorta has been around Gotham...what with The Shadow Strikes actually have the Shadow go to Gotham and confront a guy who's been using his name for a radio serial...
Interesting, I didn't know that about Batman. It's a little disappointing, but that sort of thing happened a lot back then. And despite whatever his origin is, we got an exceptional character out of it that's lasted seventy years and will likely last seventy more. I ain't mad.
So you mean to tell me that Batman's very essence was not that of a hero but that of a being *gasp* of vengeance.
Seriously I think the only reason why they have Batman's "No kill" rule and his holier than thou attitude is because if he didn't, he'd be the shadow in everything but costume.
When Batman started, he killed all the time and even packed a .45
Blame the Comics Code Authority!
Carandini Golden Age Batman is best Batman.
Shadow doesn’t sling gadgets or fight with his hands in the same way the Bat does.
“Holier than thou attitude” lol that’s quite ironic considering the Shadow is the only one of the two that DOSENT ever have moments of doubt on what side he’s on.
I was wondering if you were gonna pipe up and release a video on the issue. glad ya did.
As a kid, I was over the moon, when the O'Neil Batman/Shadow issue came out!!🗿
I support all of your work Razor-Fist but i enjoy Metal Mythos the most Hope to see more soon
There is a Shadow reference in All Dogs Go to Heaven. A bunch of puppies listen to a radio drama that is practically THE thing, with only the name changed.
Greetings!
I'm a fan of The Shadow and have been since childhood. My introduction to the Legend being Alec Baldwin's portrayal of the character in the 1994 movie.
Since then though, I've listened to several of his classic adventures in the radio shows and his adventures in literary works.
With that being said, I as wondering if you're willing to cover the Shadow Animated Series you made a passing mention of in one of your videos...?
Information on it is scarce and I'd like to know more about it.
Thanks and more power! :-)
Awesome vid, very insightful commentary. Well done.
Fucking love your content. Keep up the great work.
Word. This is why the animated series had the grey ghost episode. Even the show runners had to give a tip of the hat to where that praise was due.
Bought the hardcover based on your reco. Looking forward to it. Love The Avenger as well.
while I admit that I have not read anywhere near as many Shadow pulps as you, only about a dozen or so, but I do remember at least one more story that describes the shadow as "bat-like". "The Crime Cult" describes him as looking like a bat several times if I remember correctly. Not trying to knock you or anything. I stumbled upon it looking for shadow pulps on amazon after your first video on the shadow. It wasn't from the reprints by nostagia ventures but the earlier ones by pyramid fiction. Perhaps there was some revisionist editing on it that added it in, but thats a bit of a stretch. Anyways love the content man.
Yo, gimme that Daredevil cutout! 😆
started reading shadow after seeing your videos about him. good stuff
I still have that Marvel v DC book with Wolverine v Lobo!
Fantomas, The Phantom, Diabolik, Zorro. It's been happening for a long time.
I wish they'd do a noir tale featuring Batman 1939 and the noir Spiderman
American Badass Rageaholic?
Rollin rollin rollin rollin
For those of us who know nothing about The Shadow, is it a good place to start?
The Shadow: Year One is where you want to start. Just to get the backstory.
This comic includes a number of references to Pulp characters from the Shadow mythos you may not be familiar with.
After that? Go for it.
Awesome. Thanks, Razor.
@@TheRageaholic Thank you Razor.
You rock, Razor
Razor make more content like this!
I bought the savage tales of solomon kane, complete conan collection, downloaded queens entire discography, and just got the shadow leviathen now cause you boss.
Also ordered a copy of your debut pulp novel The moonlight which I'm exciting to get in my mailbox cause of you!
is Tinsley's work on par with gibson's? I've only read several gibson pulps and loved them
From what I've heard, Tinsley's books were more grittier. Lots of violence, torture, explosions, scantily clad women, and often an underground hideout for the bad guys; Tinsley was big on them for some reason. Tinsley also had no problem in having the Shadow injured in his books and often had a woman as a villain, something Gibson never did.
"A well-established writer who did a fine job from start to finish."
-Walter B. Gibson, on Theodore Tinsley's work on The Shadow
I want the shadow to team up with the punnisher I can see how it starts with the shadow and the punnisher going after the same criminal then teaming up
Thanks for the video. If you could pick another artist that could cast the darker tone intended for the comic, which one would you pick? ( for the sake of variety choose one or more not named in the video). I find Rossmo a little too cartoony forthis but I like how he has refined his art style
any more modern Shadow comics you'd recommend?
"It's not like when DC and Marvel decided 'Well Fuck! Wolverine and Lobo both smoke cigars. Pistols at dawn!"
"...the same meta-temporal black hole Alan Moore's talent disappeared into 20 fucking years ago."
Your prose flows out of your mouth faster than a panty drop in the back of a Motley Crue tour bus. There are so many moments of gold in your reviews and rants, I could literally print off 10 T-Shirts every time you post a vid. Thank you for calling a spade a spade, and Bill Finger and Bob Kane 'The Shadow' stealing motherfuckers they are.
I wonder, good sir Fist, what would you think to a Shadow/Judge Dredd crossover? I mean sure it might be eeeeeever so slightly slanted in the man with the mountain for a chin's favour but it would be kickass...actually it'd probably end with Dredd recruiting the Shadow given how alike those two are.
I hope you can cover this series and the second one in the shadowcast eventually, want to hear your opinion about them.
Bandana activated
never really care if the origin is a ripoff
i just like Batman and his villians gallery.
love the current rebirth run. especially The Button storyline goibg on now
Xerox machines... brilliant. 'tis funny timing for me, this video, as I just watched a bit of the Norm MacDonald podcast with Larry King. If you haven't seen it you should check it out for Larry's rendition of The Shadow's opening alone.
Who knows........the Shadow do!
Would you ever do a 'let's make a Shadow game/movie" arcade episode like you did with Elric?
Also, you're rocking that bandana
wow I learned something new! is there somewhere you can listen to the original the shadow radio broadcasts?
Baldwin's shadow is camp fun but man it was sooo close to being something really special
If there would be The Shadow remake movie, which actor would you like to be the main role (The Shadow/Lamont Cranston)?
HUGO WEAVING BUT NEVER SHOWN
The Mark of Zorro a year after Batmans first appearance? Mandela effect! Right? Has to be.
The original film The Mark of Zorro was a 1920 silent picture starring Douglas Fairbanks. Are you sure DC was referring to the 1940 remake with Tyrone Power?
Have you seen the 1920 film? Zorro's happy/smiley, cutting jokes and wears a poofy blue and green outfit.
It's nothing like Batman.
I haven't, thanks for the clarification. :)
Columbia did the Shadow film serial? Nice. Now I can't help wondering what would happen if his character crossed over with The Three Stooges.
Batman was The Shadow with Dick Tracy enemies.
Hey Razorfist. Just want to say your videos are great , you have immense talent. Sorry I am going to be way off topic here, but I was wondering something. I watched one of your videos titled the Cult of Kojima , and man , it was spot on. I was wondering if you would ever consider doing a part ll or something , concerning all the buzz around his new game Death Stranding. It's just funny how all his disciples are trying to decode every cryptic clue , saying things like, kojima is a genius , kojima is God, this is going to be the best game ever. I was just wondering your opinions on this game or kojima , if any at all . Response would be cool .
At 3:50 he sounded like Rick Sanchez from Rick and Morty lol. I wish razor do more videos on the shadow.
Ugh! How I hated that DC/Marvel crossover (where people voted who would win) and having Lobo who regularly gets in fistfights with Superman with no kryptonite or any device to weaken him lose to fucking Wolverine!
Batman Shadow-Clone Jutsu!
I would love to see your thoughts on the documentary "Batman & Bill".
Razorfist, help! I've been trying to find out what show that is with Orson Welles where the woman goes full fan girl only to have him walk away. You showed (what I assumed) was the same skit again in this video. Can anyone point me in the right direction?