The Errors of Dispensationalism [Scriptum #4.3]
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2022
- A discussion of Dispensational theology, which serves as the hermeneutic for much of the Evangelical world.
There are so many citations here, I'm just going to drop my whole script. Forgive me because I deviate from it a little, but all the citations should be there regardless:
docs.google.com/document/d/1m...
Books and papers referenced:
Charles Ryrie's "Dispensationalism Today": www.amazon.com/Dispensational...
Bryan Wolfmueller's "Has American Christianity Failed": www.amazon.com/American-Chris...
Bryan Wolfmueller's paper/blog post on dispensationalism: wolfmueller.co/dispensational...
Kim Riddlebarger's "A Case for Amillennialism": www.amazon.com/Case-Amillenni...
John Gerstner's "Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth": www.amazon.com/Wrongly-Dividi...
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Watch the RUclips video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology", to see the original source of the doctrine in black and white.
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many Christians cannot honestly answer the first three questions below?
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
God is not now a "racist". He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son's blood at Calvary.
Reformed baptist here. I used to be a dispy premil, but recently came out of it and now am an amillennialist.
Watch the baptism video bro. I went out of being a "reformed" Baptist to actually being reformed.
Next stop : Post Mil 😂
I used to be a dispensationalist but now my beliefs are that of a Reformed Baptist. One of the problems that I have with election is that some ethnic groups have a higher % of saved people than others. I am half Japanese. Few people in Japan care for the gospel. Compared to South Korea Christian churches in Japan seem small and insignificant. Among Blacks there is definetly a higher % of saved people than among other ethnic groups. This, of course, does not excuse the evils of slavery. In Canada many Natives claim Christ as Saviour. One interesting fact about Canadian Natives is that very few are Baptists. Baptists have been in Canada since the 1740's. Pentecostals have been in Canada since about 1905. Yet Pentecostals have been more successful in evangelising Natives than Baptists. Many of the Africans coming to Canada are devout Christians. Many of the Blacks coming to Canada from the Caribbean are also devout Christians. On the other hand any Japanese person who is a Christian laments the fact that few Japanese people care for the gospel.
@@roberteaston6413 how do you know those people are genuinely saved, though? And if few people in Japan care for the Gospel, that only means they need more preaching, more calls for repentance. I hear that adultery and prostitution is extremely common and normalized in Japan- wherever darkness is, the light of the Gospel is also needed.
There was a time when sub-saharan Africa, the far east and the Americas had never heard the Gospel. There was a time when only the Israelites and those sojourning in and amongst them had heard of the Living God. We shouldn't be worried with how "few" people are saved, but rather marvel at His mercy in saving any of us. Nobody can be deserving of the blood of God to pay the price for the blood upon our own heads. We have a merciful God who hears those who do not deserve it, and inclines His ears to their sorrows, who adopts them as His own sons and daughters.
@@jakebarnes3054 My mother was Japanese and lived in Japan up until 1956. She told me that growing up in Japan whenever a boy turned 18 his father would take him to a whorehouse as a way of introducing him to adulthood. This practice was so common that when she came to Canada she was surprised that it was not practiced in Canada and the USA. The Japanese have no concept of sin. They have a concept of shame but have no concept of sinning against a holy God.
Philip Mauro's Gospel of the Kingdom is a great refutation of the 7 dispensations and other Scofield study bible notes. He was an ex-dispensationalist who joined the Episcopal church. Also, Edward J. Young's The Prophecy of Daniel: A Commentary is also helpful.
Thanks for commenting these, I'll look into them!
@@ScholasticLutheransMauro wrote two books in this area, the other is called “the Israel of God”.
His "refutation" is mere opinion with very poor proper biblical interpretation. The fact that he would join the Episcopal Church is proof enough that he had serious interpretive problems.
This is a fantastic video. Incredibly thorough. Thank you for this!
This was one of the most comprehensive and exhaustive videos on this subject I’ve seen thank you!
Thank you for pointing out the selective literalism of the dispensationalists. Many people take it for granted that dispensationalism is supposedly "literal" but that is a fallacy and a source of great deception which pre-supposes that we who do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture as not taking the Bible literally or even worse, seriously.
Thanks for the excellent and enlightening points!
thank u soooooo much. this vid gave me everything i needed to be sure of amillenialism
That's the goal! There's a lot more to eschatology and defending amil, but I hope this video helps show some weird stuff from premil dispensationalism.
You...
@@Lutheranjenkins LOL
@@Nutman2001 YOU.
@@Lutheranjenkins is it a party here?
Excellent! Thank you. I'm already forgetting bits so I'll be listening to it again.
The United States should end military aid to Israel..
1. Israel can pay for its own military. Israel has a strong economy, an excellent international credit rating, and runs frequent budget surplus. Israel ran an annual surplus of more than a billion dollars six out of the last ten years.
2. Military aid to Israel is a security risk. Israel is a major supplier of military technology to China. These sales have been instrumental in the modernization of the Chinese military. Israel developed the Lavi fighter from American technology with 1.5 billion in American subsidies. Israel sold the Lavi fighter to China. It is now called the J-10 and is the mainstay of the Chinese Air Force. Israel has also sold China missile guidance systems,, advanced radar systems and targeting systems.
3. Israel is a diplomatic liability.
4. Military aid to Israel is illegal under the Leahy Law because of Israel's human rights violations. Any aid to Israel is illegal under the Symington amendment which prohibits aid to nations with nuclear weapons that have not signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and do not permit inspections of their nuclear sites
I agree, personally, but I definitely don't take it as a theological matter. Foreign policy is NOT my specialty.
@@ScholasticLutherans The Zionist use theology to get unconditional and unlimited support from the United States. Like it or not, you are part of this issue.
@@coreysmith8489 I'm sorry?
Totally agree.
Does your augment still stand given the whole establishment is naked?
I come from a Dispensationalist upbringing. But as I did my own study, I've come to understand my Bible differently (Gal. 3: 24-29, Eph. 2: 14-16). It seems many have allowed Dispensationalism to shape how they read and interpret Scripture rather than allowing Scripture to speak for itself and shape their belief system. Scripture's focus is God's True Israel, Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, ethnic Israel seems to have become the center of Dispensationalism. This has made the Christian church easily manipulated by the world and the enemy of our souls, since many hold to this system of belief.😢
May we take a step back and objectively but prayerfully evaluate where Dispensationalism has brought the world (especially Western civilization) today. Thank you.🙏😇
You are so wrong in your understanding. Israel, who is God's Chosen People as a nation, has a very key part in the end times theology. Romans 11 should make it clear to you that God is not finished with Israel and will graft them back into the root of the vine of Abraham as he had grafted the Gentiles into the vine through Christ, he will also do so with the nation of Israel as a whole. Why is it that I sense a great animosity from covenant theologians toward God's chosen People? Paul, the Apostle, is quick to alert Gentiles that we were on the outside and that God hardened Jacob's heart so that He could have mercy upon us . We were grafted into to the root of the vine and He argues, what makes you think that God can't (and won't) re-graft the Chosen People of God back into the root from where it came? I think you should go back to your study and see where you went wrong. The most influential preachers of the gospel today hold to a dispensational systematic theology and God has seen to it for a reason. We do not preach other than salvation comes by the God-Man, Jesus Christ, the Lord and that this salvation comes by faith through the grace of God for forgiveness of sins and being placed into a right relationship with God. We just happen to believe the whole council of God in His Word and believe what God has promised to Israel shall come to pass and they, too, must as a Nation come to faith in Christ and they will according to the whole counsel of God's Word. Saying that Jesus is the true Israel is nonsensical. Jesus is the Son of God, born of the seed of David but nowhere is Jesus called Israel. Israel is the Nation which is God's Chosen People and as such, according to Romans 11 will be grafted back into the root of the vine, Abraham, from where it came. Jesus, as the savior of Jew and Gentile.....remember the gospel was preached first to the Jew, then to the Gentile, and as most of the Jews rejected their Messiah the gospel was preached to the Gentiles that God might have mercy on us all. The absurdity of the minister's presentation is that most dispensationalists, like myself, that I know are busy about preaching the gospel and seeking to win both Gentiles and Jews to faith in Jesus Christ. This Zionism is blown way out of proportion because its only import to me as a minister is what God will do in keeping His promises to Israel which covenant theologians seem to just blow off as though all of the promises of God to Israel have been ceded to the Church. That is absurd. Israel, who had become scattered and was not a nation became a nation again in 1948, the first time this has ever happened in history and now in accordance with the prophecies of Ezekiel, Israel is preparing to build a third temple. These fulfillments are in accordance with God's Word and shall come to pass. And yes, there will be a literal 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ on earth to fulfill God's promises to Israel and will also demonstrate that God is just in His judgments of mankind because even in a period of justice and righteousness, men will rebel. You don't have to believe it, but you cannot stop God from fulfilling His promises to Israel. God has spoken and it shall be done.
@@davidcooper1201 I lovingly urge you, brother to allow Scripture to speak for itself and form your system of belief. Not the other way around. Sadly, the majority in the church today practice the latter over the former. Thus, they miss out on very precious truths that have already been revealed to us by God in His Word through the Holy Spirit. Such a mindset has resulted to much impotence in the Christian church that should be having a more positive influence on the world today. Dispensationalism has limited our understanding of Scripture to the literal. Even Dispensationalist preachers themselves also do not interpret all Scripture literally. That is because not all literary genre can be interpreted that way, and there are different genres in God's Word. One who confines himself to a single approach to studying Scripture has already made his first wrong step that increases as he continues in that path.
Indeed ethnic Israel has a specific role to carry out in God's sovereign redemptive plan. And their rejection of Jesus Christ was part of it, that brought the Gospel to us. Thus, we are to be humbled and grateful to God. But Christ Himself said that "The Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation, producing the fruit of it." (Matt 21:43) Such was the mystery revealed to the Apostle Paul. For God's ultimate plan is not for the salvation and redemption of the Jews alone but for the Gentiles and His entire creation! For there is only one tree and one root who is God. The natural branches is ethnic Israel. Some were broken off because of unbelief so we, Gentiles might be grafted in. Thus, the Apostle Paul states that all of us are one in Christ (Gal. 3:28). This simply supports his theological presentation in Romans as to how and when Abraham was declared righteous, which was prior to his circumcision (ergo as a Gentile) that is but a sign of his faith in God.
Hebrews notes Abel, Enoch, Noah, etc. (non-Jews, ergo, Gentiles too but who have the same faith as Abraham's) as partakers of what we have in Christ by faith. Indeed God is not through with Israel as with the other nations. Thus, may we all the more carry out the Great Commission. And as we do so, let us focus more on the One True Israel of God, the Lord Jesus (Matt. 2:13-14) who tore down the dividing wall between Jew and Gentile because God's goal is to make us, "one new man" in Christ (Eph. 2:14). Please notice too that the Lord Jesus has only one bride, not two. I will also not postpone Christ's kingship and rule as Scripture declares it (Dan. 7:13-14, Matt. 28:18 & ff, Lk. 11:17-20) I recognize His kingship and rule here and now because of three reasons: 1) God said it, 2) it was the secret to the success of the early church, and 3) it is what our world desperately needs today. So let's do our part in this. Thank you.
@@AgeDeo2009 Good reply. Thank you.
@@gaylenhalbert4391 Thank you for the compliment. May we all learn not to be content with applying Sola Scriptura, (making Scripture the only standard for our faith) May we even go farther and practice Tota Scriptura (viewing and understanding Scripture as a whole and how each part is interconnected to one another) that we may arrive at a holistic understanding of God's Holy Word and know Him more. 🙏🙂
*_Manuel De Lacunza, S.J. (July 19, 1731 - c. June 18, 1801) was a Jesuit priest who used the pseudonym Juan Josafat Ben-Ezra in his main work on the interpretation of the prophecies of the Bible, which was entitled The Coming of the Messiah in Majesty and Glory. This is where Darby got many of his ideas._*
*_Edward Irving is the one who translated his writings into English, he also believed in a pre-trib rapture around the same time as Darby. He was another heretic who started the catholic apostolic church where the ecstatic tongue speaking came from, way before the Pentecostal movement._*
Thank you for your research.
God Bless
Can you cite where Edward Irving said the church would be raptured before a 7-year tribulation? I don't think it exists because I don't think he believed that.
And so you are implying that Darby got some of his ideas from a Jesuit Priest means that his interpretations are wrong. Suppose error based upon one's sources is an illogical and flawed argument in determining the right or wrong of an idea. I would suggest you see how he interpreted Scripture and determine if the interpretation is sound not the association of ideas.
@davidcooper1201 , yeah that's called the Genetic Fallacy
Prophecy of Daniel was fulfilled. Rapture belief is in error.
Dispensationalism is cringe.
This
It’s a good thing that none of this has anything to do with salvation.
Rejecting dispensationalism was also my gateway to eventually landing in the LCMS.
What I find most perplexing about dispensationalism is that most of them today would reject some of Darby/Scofield’s more outlandish takes, such as separate salvation plans for Jews and Gentiles, that Jesus and Paul preached two different gospels, etc., yet these are central to Darby’s system. I don’t understand the impulse to reinvent the theology that has such glaring issues.
This piecemeal way of doing theology is also a problem with Evangelicalism. It mixes and matches random parts of various other theological systems without any systematic case whatsoever.
Most such movements today operate from the the U.S. where there is a conservative anti-intellectual trend and a failed education system.
Dispensationalism can only thrive in such conditions.
LCMS? What does that stand for?
Thanks
@@Tracy-InchesLutheran Church Missouri Synod, it is an American Lutheran denomination.
@@Tracy-Inches Lutheran church- Missouri Synod.
@@thenowchurch6419 The first generation of Plymouth Brethren in the United Kingdom were well educated. I used to fellowship with the Plymouth Brethren. I was surprised to see small assemblies that had elders that were well educated. Also, unlike Anglicans and a lot of Baptists the Brethren will have nothing to do with the Freemasons.
Thank for this (study) video!
You make a lot of good points in this! Particularly in relation to the role the crucifixion plays in the redemption plan. The "happy accident"; "plan B". LOL Problem is Revelation says Jesus was the "lamb slain from the foundation of the world". Thus there's no way redemption could have been predicated upon anyone rejecting Christ. (Thus the segue into the doctrine of election.) And this is why I would say the culmination of history from God's intended purpose is the resurrection and 2nd would be the incarnation.
Good job though; informative and entertaining too!
Great video
The Old Covenant The New Covenant
1. Blood of Animals 1. Blood of Christ
2. Written on Stone 2. Written on Hearts
3. Shadow 3. Substance
4. Glorious 4. More Glorious
5. Had an End 5. Has no End
6. Law of Moses 6. Law of Messiah
7. Law of Works 7. Law of Faith
8. Law of Sin and Death 8. Law of Spirit of Life
9. Many Sacrifices 9. One Sacrifice
10. Powerless to Save 10. Power to Save
11. Annual Atonement 11. Eternal Atonement
12. Earthly Tabernacle 12. Heavenly Tabernacle
13. Ministry of Death 13. Ministry of Life
14. Outer Form - Flesh 14. Inner Reality - Spirit
15. Ministry of 15. Ministry of
Condemnation Reconciliation
I am pretty much convinced of the fulfilled eschatology perspective-preterism.
All of the land promises were fulfilled and Israel failed the terms up to and including Messiah.
The millennial perspective is taken as a literal 1000 years when everywhere else the 1000 year metaphor was taken as such.
Same here. Be careful! You'll be labelled as a heretic for taking imminent time statements for what they really are!
Believing or Not believing in a Rapture has nothing to do with whether one is an Xian.
I've never heard a preacher (Dispensational) say anything about the old covenant returning in the millennium. Never. I've been to many different churches as I've moved around quite a bit, but there's several other things that you said that I've never heard, or at least understood in quite a different way than you imply.
Example: the example you give of "one taken, and one left," most preachers and dispensationists I know believe that text to refer to the gathering of the sheep and goats as the millennium starts in preparation for the judgement, not the rapture.
But I probably don't know what I'm talking about. I merely consider myself a Christian, and not a Lutheran, even though I'm sitting in the home of friends who are. But I'm working on them. Gonna be tough. They're also German. Great video, but you might consider speaking just a little slower.
🙏✝️👑✝️🙏
Edit: And of course, the Catholic Church says that we are all wrong. Also, if God isn't going to turn back to Israel (after the rapture) then whom will inherit the unfulfilled prophecies to Israel? God is pretty strict about fulfilling His promises.
Of course, much of eschatology and the entirety of the end times are supposed to be somewhat mysterious, so perhaps every camp has a bit of it, but no one has all of it. Yet. 🙏✝️🙏
Edit: How do you know that they're NOT helicopters? Literal when possible, certainly, but sometimes, you have to use a bit of imagination to consider what the understanding of someone in the first century could comprehend.
Good comment. Thank you. p.s. I speculate that the locusts could be DRONES.
If the Temple is to be rebuilt, sacrifice is to be restarted, a return to Mosaic Law and Covenant can absolutely be inferred. It would not have to be stated outright and indeed probably wouldn’t because that would raise a whole BUNCH of problems in Christian congregations.
Also-the land promises were fulfilled. They were eternal, everlasting, and irrevocable AND conditional. Israel had to keep their end of the covenant(s) or be rejected. That is exactly what ultimately happened when Israel rejected their Messiah-the land (the temple and the order of the Mosaic Law) was utterly destroyed.
You should probably study the difference between exegesis and eisegesis.
Thank you for this comment, I was raised and educated in dispensational theology, and I have found things that I don’t agree with, and I’m specifically trying to research dispensational interpretation of Daniel 9 and how that shapes eschatology. This video had some interesting things, but there were many things in here that I had never ever heard in church, such as Jesus’s sermon on the Mt did not apply to us or that the cross was Plan B, or that the jewish leaders were supposed to make Jesus king and they failed in their mission, or that Calvary is secondary to his return. I NEVER heard anything like that, and I’ve been through a dispensational based Bible college program. There were many others, but I didn’t make a list.
My view on end times has changed from being it has to be exactly this, this, this and this, to be more like a puzzle, where we don’t have all the pieces yet. God did not reveal his playbook on Jesus first coming, so why do we expect him to reveal that exactly on the second coming? That’s what got the Jews in trouble the first time because his first coming did not match what they expected based on their understanding of the scripture. Afraid many would be in the same boat today because we’re looking for a specific events and not the hand of God in motion.
it was great (after watching) it went pretty fast, felt like 10 min
Also 2nd Peter 3:10 states that when Christ comes as a "thief" (pre trib language), everything is redeemed or destroyed.
Would you say there's a real difference between dispensationalism and restorationism? It seems to me that Baha'i, Islam, Mormonism, JW, etc. are all just following dispensationalism to it's logical conclusion.
I'd say so because most dispensationalists I know wouldn't say that the Church apostatized for 1800 years. They will argue that dispensationalism has some roots in Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Hippolytus, etc. and eschatology simply wasn't the focus for a while to discover these truths.
@@ScholasticLutherans That's an excellent point. Thank you.
One difference though is that Evangelical Dispensationalism includes an escape for them called the Pre-Trib Rapture while those other movements do not.
absurd comparison. You show you know nothing about dispensational systematic theology. It is just rhetoric.
39:53-40:02, “for those that are mid-tribulational or post-tribulational, they can just calculate the days”. I am a “historic premillennial / post-trib”, could you expound what you mean by that?
They believe Christ’s second coming would be exactly, either 3.5 years (mid-trib) or 7 years (post-trib) after the rapture of the church. So they can calculate Christ’s exact coming after seeing the rapture 🤷♂️
@@americanslav9694 posttrib does not posit a 7 year tribulation AFTER the rapture, but rather a 7 year tribulation from the rapture. As far as I remember, they believe the parousia/advent to be concurrent with the rapture of the Church. It is the dispensationalists that believe the rapture to be before the 7 year tribulation. Seemingly the only way for one to “calculate” the rapture and parousia/advent would be by knowing the timing of when the tribulation begins.
@@SlaveofGod The Video is referring to post-trib/mid-drib dispensationalists
Although I disagree with you, let me say I appreciate you engaging with us as brothers. I also appreciate the Clarence Larkin chart photo! Now, There is nothing nonsensical about Ryries position on The Sermon on the Mount, since it is preparing Christ’s audience to live in a manner fit for the kingdom by declaring the rule of life for the kingdom, and they must live this way to enter the kingdom (Matt. 3:8; 5:20; 25:34-46), this is why Ryrie says Matt. 5-7 is about Israel’s kingdom life (and not the body of Christ in this dispensation, although there’s marvelous application for today) even though it speaks about suffering because Israel must suffer (the 70th week, “Great Tribulation”) before it enters the Kingdom.
Are you aware that what you mention about the Sermon on The Mount being taught by Ryrie, was not taught before him at DTS. DTS taught that what Jesus taught on the Sermon on The Mount was in the future. Chafer taught three groups of people: Jews, gentiles, and the church. Compare that to what Paul writes in Philippians 3:1-3 "1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things again is no trouble to me, and it is a safeguard for you. 2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision; 3 for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh, If anyone uses a systematic theology to interpret that is eisegesis. The correct interpretation starts with the text itself and then interpreting in light of its historical and literary context. A careful study of apocalyptic literature solves many problems about how to interpret that literature. Books by David Aune, Earle Eliis, and most any good Bible dictionary such as Dictionary of Biblical Imagery, and Dictionary of the Old Testament: Prophets is a good place to start. Fee and Stuart have a chapter on how to interpret apocalyptic literature and what characterizes that kind of literature.
@@geraldpolmateer3255 Well I know the Scofield Reference Bible made it clear that the Sermon still carries “beautiful moral application” for the member of the body of Christ even though Matt. 5-7 isn’t speaking to us directly. In Matthew 25 Rev. EW Bullinger states “The Parable has nothing to do with the Church to-day as to interpretation, though there is the same solemn application as to watchfulness.” (The Companion Bible, 1367). I’m sorry DTS in its earlier days apparently wasn’t as clear as previous dispensationalists were.
Scofield had a protégé named Lewis Sperry Chafer and Chafer started DTS and Chafer had a pupil and protege of his who was raised in his church and Chafer made arrangements for him to attend DTS, his name was Charles F. Baker who became a theologian right after Chafer. Baker wrote:
“The true dispensationalist first of all affirms that all Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is all profitable (2 Timothy 3:15, 16). He makes a careful distinction between the interpretation of a passage and an application of it. Any one passage has only one true interpretation, the literal and primary meaning, whereas it might have many applications. He tests all Scripture by the completed and final revelation given to the apostle Paul, and all truth from Genesis to Revelation which dovetails with Pauline truth he has every right to apply to himself.” (Baker, Studies in Dispensational Relationships, pg. 60)
WHEN IS THE RAPTURE / RESURRECTION?
In Revelation 20:4-6 the last book of the Bible there are only 2 more FUTURE Resurrections (Raptures) spoken of: (after the 2 witnesses appear)
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION. or rapture
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the SECOND DEATH hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
In the above scriptures, these are the Martyrs. John said "this is the first resurrection." John didn't say this is the "second phase of the first resurrection," as pre-tribbers claim.
If this is the FIRST resurrection, can there be a resurrection before this one? Of course not, unless you want to ADD to the bible which is forbidden!
The First Resurrection is of the dead in Christ and the Second is after 1000 years. Paul wrote that the Dead in Christ MUST rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 ...and the dead in Christ shall RISE FIRST
17 THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them...
In Rev. 20:4-5, John sees the souls of Saints who were BEHEADED for refusing the Mark of the Beast during the Great Tribulation. John writes that they will rise and reign with Christ for 1000 years and that this is the FIRST RESURRECTION!
If according to John, the beheaded rise in the FIRST resurrection and Paul said those who are alive and remain are not caught up until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected, then this means the catching up or rapture takes place AFTER tribulation!
Now compare the above with 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20-23:
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of those who slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; AFTERWARDS THOSE WHO ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING.
Notice only one resurrection of the dead in Christ is mentioned here! Which, according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 must take place BEFORE we who are alive and remain are "caught up" with them!
When did Jesus say the dead in Christ would be resurrected?
John 6:39-40: Jesus said, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY.
John 6:44: Jesus said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY."
Is the LAST DAY the thousand year reign of Christ?
I believe so....then it is eternity and time is counted no more
So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in?
Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the END end of the tribulation. there is not a 7th last trump prior to the tribulation.
Historic premillennial here. Eternally baffled why everyone doesn’t just accept it as the most sensible scriptural hermeneutic/eschatology
Because it's wrong.
Revelation 3:10
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
Tereo ek
tay-reh'-o
Verb
NAS Word Usage - Total: 71
1. to attend to carefully, take care of
a. to guard
b. metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
c. to observe
d. to reserve: to undergo something
Ek
ek
Preposition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 62
1. out of, from, by, away from
harpazō
1) to seize, carry off by force
2) to seize on, claim for one' s self eagerly
3) to snatch out or away
Chafer’s 8 volume Systematic Theology is a biblically sound theological treatise. Highly recommended. 👍✝️
Well, it’s now clear why this book was just $4 … he’s arguing with straw-man. Dispensationalism is about rightfully dividing passages for different peoples and for different times, but she doesn’t divide the passages his quoting. I’m not even sure if he’s arguing the accuracy of the dispensationalism, the accuracy of the word of God, or the soundness Jesus’s decision not to take the offer to become a king of Jews…
The 7 year tribulation is an outrageous lie. Daniel 9 was fulfilled by Jesus Christ affirming the New Covenant both before and after His crucifixion. This was proved empirically by James Ussher in his work Annals.
See Matthew 24
I'm still a dispensationalists after listening to this video. 😊
I like preachers and teachers like Dr. Peter Ruckman and Dr. David Peacock.
Have a good one 👍
Anglican bible translation (KJV), Plymouth brethren eschatology, and 1950’s fundamentalism. But that’s just what all Christians should be?
A novel dispensationalism has replaced Christ with a re-emerged national Israel as the sacred centrepiece of redemptive history and biblical prophecy. ✔️
You are 100% correct!
No. Christ is the center, its just that Israel has a part to play in the end times. From my perspective many of you dont WANT Isreal or the Jews to really be part of the story anymore. Often when this topic is discussed The anti-Dispensationalist, will start demanding that the dispensationalist tell them "Just how much money are we supposed to give to Israel? HUH!? HUH!? Are you even an american? Do you know how many Jews run all the companies?" I'm not saying your such a person. Its just such a strange bizare trend that runs through it, this desire for the Jews story to be done and a rejection of the prophecies that Israel would become a nation again during a time when the messiah was a banner for all the nations, or the everlasting promise that a remnant of the Jews would be preserved and Israel would belong to them forever.
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Excellent exposition! This makes me wonder if these people are even Christians. It sounds like a cult.
Many are Christians, I promise.
Post Trib rapture is based on scripture. PreTrib rapture is based on conjecture, speculation and misinterpretation of Scripture.
Rapture is posttrib and It’s not really debatable. Here are some irrefutable truths.
1. The rapture is AFTER the resurrection.
1 Thessalonians 4. Dead in Christ shall rise first.
2. Jesus said the resurrection is on ‘THE LAST DAY’ over and over and over in John 6. That is the last day of the age of grace. The last day of life without Christ. The last day of the church age. The last day of the New Covenant. The next day starts the millennial kingdom. If the resurrection is ON THE LAST DAY obviously then this means that the rapture is on the last day since the RAPTURE IS AFTER THE RESURRECTION.
The rapture is on the last day.
3. The resurrection / rapture is in Rev 20:4. Here we find ‘the last day’. John says he saw the dead come to life. This is the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture is right after it. The rapture is post trib. It is AFTER Rev 5-19. The church goes THROUGH the tribulation. We will not experience Gods wrath just like Israel did not experience Gods wrath when God punished Egypt. And Noah didn’t experience Gods wrath when He flooded the whole earth, but Noah was preserved THROUGH the flood. Not raptured out of it. Israel was not raptured out of Egypt. God will test the church. He will have a pure spotless bride for His Son.
Any other position other than a posttrib rapture twists and distorts Gods Word.
And then there’s Jesus’ message in
Matthew 24:29-31
“But immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days……..And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, ………….And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
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Jesus Himself says that He is coming back for His church and will gather it immediately AFTER the tribulation.
How can it get ANY CLEARER????
Stop with this false doctrine of a PreTrib rapture. The doctrine of escapism has to be exposed and refuted by the word of God. Too many people planning their escape instead of filling their lamp with oil.
Having said this, in Rev 3:10 God promises to keep those who have proven their faithfulness from the hour of testing. Knowing that be so faithful that God keeps you from the tribulation. Remember this promise of Christ is to only ONE of the seven churches in Revelation. One. There are letters to SIX other churches.
And remember this verse.
Revelation 13:7
It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
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God will give Antichrist power to persecute and kill His saints. Sounds crazy but that’s His plan. Don’t let people tickle your ears with anything that’s not the truth.
2 Timothy 2:15
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
Read your Bible. Test your teachers. Reject false teachers. Endure to the end and you will be saved. That’s a promise from God.
Are you & I JUSTIFIED by only faith or is there more to it ?
If you don't understand dispensationalism, then you don't understand the mysteries revealed to Paul. You probably believe in doctrines of men. If you can't rightly divide scripture, then you probably don't know if you are saved or not. I'll pray for you all.
This video has some bizaaaaaare strawman descriptions of what dispensationalists believe. Like at 1900 he says Ds actually insult the gospel by believing that Christ will reign on the earth and bring back full temple sacrifice rather than relying on the sacrifice of Christ. Maybe there are some dispensationalist who think that but I hav enever ever once seen a video or been to a church service or read a book that said this.
the idea that the "church age".. is seen as a parenthetical interlude... since the Jews by and Large rejected Christ... and thus God had to put plan "B".. into place is just.. insane..
where do these people like this guy come up with this...?
God's plan.. was for Christ to come again.. all along..
Jesus Never said.. that He was going.. to take any with Him into heaven at the first coming..
Jesus came to seek and save that which was lost...and to proclaim the Gospel of God.. more clearly.. and bring enlightenment and hope to the Jewish nation..
many Hews refused to accept Jesus as a Savior... but that did not mean that God's plan was Not to save the gentiles before that happened//
If anything ... scripture shows us how the salvation and rapture of gentiles in this world... will actually lead tje Jews unto salvation..
at this time there is "the national Jewish nation"... and "the chosen Jewish nation"..... the "nationals... are the ones holding on to the belief that Jesus was NOT the Messiah.. come in the flesh...//// "the chosen".. are the ones who in this day DO believe Jesus was the Messiah come in the flesh... when the Rapture comes.. many of those "nationals".. will become the chosen".. of God once again...due to the rapture of the church..
and this "church".. will include.. Jewish Christ believers.. as well as gentile Christ believers..
any believe in Christ will be part of the raptured church.. Jews and Gentiles alike...
The errors in representing dispensationalism are replete in this critique. One example is the mischaracterization of the sacrifices presented at the Temple in Ezekiel after the return of Christ. They are not to atone for sin, as the presenter so glibly implies, but rather a memorial, similar to the Lord’s supper, which is a remembrance of Christ’s death. I would also like to point out that smugness is not a fruit of the Spirit.
You are attributing smugness to the presenter as if you can know his attitude and intent.
I could attribute arrogance and impatience to you as failures in manifesting the fruit of the spirit.
@@debblouin when someone misrepresents a viewpoint they disagree with and then chuckle, clearly communicating that they think the erroneous view is ridiculous, I would attribute that to discernment, not arrogance. What would be arrogant, on my part, would be to assume that the misrepresentation is intentional. But I don’t know 100% is this is intentional or not, I’m currently at about 95%. These guys seem to be smart, but how they could get dispensationalism so wrong is puzzling.
Read Ezk 43:22. The sacrifice of the male goat is for a sin offering.
a lutheran cannot be a pre-millennialist?
"They condemn also others who are now spreading certain Jewish opinions, that before the resurrection of the dead the godly shall take possession of the kingdom of the world, the ungodly being everywhere suppressed." AC XVII.5
This was referring to pre-mill radicals at that time.
@@ScholasticLutherans so my presumption is that being pre-millennial today keeps you out of the Lutheran camp, then.
Dispensationalism has it errors in some of the ways it's taught no doubt. "Times and seasons" would be a more proper terminology to use. However, this teaching has been on the decline for decades and Anti and Post-millennialism has been on the rise in a time when the church world is in the midst of a "great falling away" or willing departure from the truth. Something to think about.
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its not 10 nation federation. its a 10 nation confederation! get it right man!
Good video ! But not all Lutherans believe in Amillennialism , some of us believe in Historic Premillennialism .
How is this compatible with the CA?
Are you Church of the Lutheran Brethren?
Looks like the "great falling away" is in full force. The use of unbiblical terminology always gives rise for the enemies of the Truth an occasion to attack it. Many well-meaning theologians have done more harm than good. "Times and seasons" are the biblical terms that Schofield and Darby should have used instead of "Dispensation." The term "dispensation" can be argued against. "Times and seasons" cannot.
The word Trinity doesnt appear either. If the word has a utility then its fine using it.
@@briangreen5424 "There are three that bear record in Heaven: The Father, The Word (that was in the beginning with God and was God) and the Spirit, and these three are one," is in the bible.
@@HeShallReign first, that verse doesn't include the word Trinity, so my point still stands. Second that verse was added in the 16th century and is not in the oldest copies of John. It's one of the examples of people sinfully messing with the text which has been caught.
@@briangreen5424 Genesis 1:26 KJVS
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: " One God that is three.
@@briangreen5424 "Trinity" is a theological word. One God that is three is a teaching of the Bible. Christ is and always has been the "image of the invisible God," and always will be no matter what antichrist gainsayers say. And his name shall be wonderful, councilor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father. God the Son became a man that God the Father wishes to be honored as God. All thing have been committed to him by God.
All Christians do believe in the rapture. The rapture has to do with what happens to living Saints at the return of Christ. The point of disagreement among all traditions is the timing of that event not the event itself.
FALSE! I am a born-again Christian and I definitely do not believe in the rapture.
Good point.
I think most are wrong in thinking that the Rapture will be a physical rising up off the earth.
My conviction is that it is a spiritual inner event corresponding to the maximum filling and sealing of the saints by the Holy Spirit.
I believe in the Second coming of Christ where we will be gathered into the air.
To return to the earth ...
@@toolegittoquit_001 What would be the purpose of being gathered in the sky to then return to earth?
@@thenowchurch6419 It is how the biblical societies would go out to greet/welcome special guests. If they heard that the king was coming, the whole town would go out to meet him and walk with him back to their city/town. Two examples of this found in the Bible is: with the Triumphal Entry when the people went out to lay palm branches on the street leading Jesus into Jerusalem; and in Acts 28:13-16 when Paul was going up into Rome, people from a distance away came out to meet Paul and walk with him as he entered Rome. So on the Last Day when the King of kings returns to earth, those who have obeyed the King's commands will rise up to meet Him in the air as fire consumes the old earth of the sin/curse. Then as the new earth unfolds, we return with Him to live and reign with Him forever and ever. Come Lord Jesus!
Standing on the shoulders of giants who did not know the scriptures who did not believe the scriptures and who killed Baptist yes your blessed Martin Luther murdered bible-believing Christians. You need to read the Bible not the supposed Giants to get your biblical interpretation. The Bible is a book you must read with the right spirit and you must have the Holy Spirit to be The Interpreter thereof. Go get a Bible put down all of these books that these Giants have written,and ask God to show you the truth and read and keep reading if your heart is right before God then God will show you the truth.
Romans 13:11-14 (KJV)
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
This is possibly the funniest comment we've received. Thanks for the laugh!
@@ScholasticLutherans you've been given the truth. The early Protestants were murderers of Bible believing Christians teachers of heretical Doctrine and Bible rejecters. Please read your Bible and stop listening to intellectual theologians you know nothing about scripture neither believe it. You don't need another man to show you what the Bible teaches you need the Holy Spirit a willing heart and time reading and studying
@@ScholasticLutherans is biblical scriptural truth funny to you? It is a very dangerous situation to be in because you will be judged by God and he will use one thing for that judgment ,the book that you are currently laughing at. Get ready for the Judgment seat of Christ my friend it is not going to be a fun place for those who reject God's dispensational truth found within his perfect preserved words found only in the authorized version the King James Bible.
Martin Luther did not murder anyone. You're lying, and your screed proves you didn't listen to the video very closely either.
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That flag is from 1948 and has nothing to do with the Christian faith
I trust the entirety of church history and the new testament over a random on youtube spamming emojis in an incoherent paragraph