Healing is literally what every roman catholics ask right before receiving the Eucharist: "I am not worthy to receive you but only say the word and I shall be healed". I probably don't have the exact wording down but you get the idea. Mercy begets forgiveness which in turn allows healing.
What does it matter if its not what they actually carry out. I was catholic and after confession they just say oh you'll be fine do 3 our fathers or say the rosary once and forget about it. It can be horrible and disgusting sins and its always the same "penance". Its completely impersonal no one is called to actually repent everyone just goes on doing the same sins and never reforms their heart. They deny the very mechanism that makes Redemption possible which is through the energies of God purifying and awakening your noetic spiritual light for you to become one with God through theosis like saint Gregory of palamas and many other fathers and saints taught. They teach that The holy spirit leaves those who commit mortal sins and very minor things can be mortal sins. Yet they themselves have not atoned for the sins they have done throughout history such as the killing of orthodox saints and the abusing of children.
@@LucientheLion Because we focus on the Sacrament it has to be face to face the greek word for person is προσωποv it actually means to be a person you have to communicate face to face otherwise you are not...
@@Belisarius_IC_XC_NIKA Actually, they go hand in hand. And God will do it for one (put forgiveness, and therefore healing, in one's heart) if one sincerely asks for it.
Catholic revert and RCIA teacher. Catholicism teaches this but maybe doesn’t use the word healing as much but that is exactly what the Sacraments do. They help us learn from our sin and repent and sin no more - if correctly applied (as any Christian must apply). Praying for reunification of Orthodox and Catholic Churches!!!
Then maybe you can help me with this. Colossians 2:8 see to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ Galatians 1:8 though we, or an angel from heaven, preach unto you a gospel different than the gospel we have preached unto you, let him be accursed 2 Peter 3:2 that you should remember the words spoken beforehand by the Holy prophets and the commandments of the Lord and Savior spoken by your Apostles Time and again we are told to hold to only that which the Apostles taught us. In the New Testament Matthew is the only Apostle to say Mary's name. He also told us Joseph was the hero of the virgin story. That after the angel spoke to Mary once all other communication went thru Joseph. In Matthew 12 when Jesus was told His mother was outside He pointed to the believers in front of Him and said, "Here is My mother ", He added that anyone who does the will of God is His mother. For Jesus, His family were those in His blood and not in earthly blood. It was either leave Mary with John or His brothers who didn't believe in Him, John 7:5 John, after becoming the caretaker of Mary never saw anything special about her to write about, he never mentioned her name Paul, wrote almost half of the New Testament and never mentioned her name Peter, ignored her existence in his writings. He never said she was the mother of God, the new ark, the queen of heaven. He never sought her or prayed to her. He never said she was sinless or a co-redeemer with Jesus. He completely ignored her, not a single Hail Mary. After the period of Jesus's birth Mary's name is all but erased from scripture. Only mentioned by name three times, Matthew 13, Mark 6, Acts 1.. the three times we are told she had other children. From the creation of the first Christian Church in Acts thru Revelation her name is not mentioned. The pillars, Peter, James, John, and i will add Paul.. never say her name. What tradition did these men give us that led to the Catholic Church making her more?
You're right - one of the mantra's of Catholicism is 'become a saint, what else is there?'. so orthodoxy is not a completely different paradigm. This gentleman isn't very well informed and is perhaps confusing Protestantism with Catholicism.
@@glennherron9499 Thank you for bringing up these important scripture passages and questions. Let’s address your concerns step by step. Colossians 2:8 warns against being taken captive by human traditions and philosophies that contradict Christ’s teachings. Considering all forms of truth does not mean being captive by them. The Church sees God’s Word and Revelation in all of Creation, recognizing God as the Author of all truth. As long as human philosophy helps us arrive at the truth and does not contradict Scripture, it can be profitable. The same holds true for psychology, biology, and other fields of study. The Church has a rich history of pursuing these disciplines to better understand the totality of God’s Revelation. Galatians 1:8 emphasizes the importance of adhering to the true Gospel. The Catholic Church’s doctrines are based on the Gospel as preached by the Apostles and safeguarded by the Church throughout history. Perhaps you can provide more detail on where you see a problem in Catholic teaching here. 2 Peter 3:2 highlights the importance of remembering the words of the prophets and apostles. Yes, we agree! The Church employs Sacred Tradition-the oral passing down of interpretations from previous generations-as a way to ensure we honor the words and teachings of the apostles. This is the primary task of the priests and bishops: to hold fast to the doctrines taught by the Apostles and preserved in the deposit of faith. It is not just the words of the Bible that are important but understanding the original author’s intent. There are many extra-biblical texts, written by those trained by the apostles, that give us a better idea of what the original apostles taught. Regarding Mary, while it’s true that the New Testament does not extensively document her role, the Church’s understanding of her significance has developed through reflection on Scripture and Tradition. Let’s consider the following points: 1. Role of Mary in Scripture: Mary’s role is highlighted in key moments, such as the Annunciation (Luke 1:26-38) and the Wedding at Cana (John 2:1-12), where Jesus performed His first miracle at her request. These instances indicate her unique relationship with Jesus and her faith. 2. John and Mary: At the crucifixion, Jesus entrusted Mary to John (John 19:26-27), symbolizing her role as the mother of all believers. This act underscores her importance within the Christian community. 3. Church Fathers and Tradition: Early Church Fathers, such as St. Irenaeus and St. Augustine, reflected on Mary’s role as the New Eve and her perpetual virginity. These reflections, rooted in Scripture, contributed to the development of Marian doctrines. 4. Title of “Mother of God”: The Council of Ephesus in 431 AD affirmed Mary as Theotokos, or “God-bearer,” emphasizing that Jesus is both fully God and fully man. This title protects the doctrine of the Incarnation. 5. Revelation and Mary’s Queenship: In Revelation 12, the woman clothed with the sun is often interpreted as a symbol of Mary and the Church. This imagery supports her role as Queen of Heaven, a title reflecting her exalted status due to her unique cooperation in God’s plan of salvation. Mary is deemed one of the greatest saints because she said “yes” to God’s plan. Catholics never worship her as if she were God, but she, among many strong saints throughout the ages, serves as an inspiration for us all. While the New Testament may not extensively document Mary’s role, the Catholic Church’s teachings on her are grounded in a holistic interpretation of Scripture, Tradition, and the continuous guidance of the Holy Spirit. These teachings aim to honor her unique role in salvation history without detracting from the centrality of Christ. If you have more, let's try to tackle one thing at a time :)
Catholic here and Catholicism would agree with and practice everything this priest mentioned. I’d be interested in the full context of his explanation, but as always, I love and respect all of my Orthodox brothers and sisters. God bless!
Not to oversimplify, but in generally speaking, Catholicism teaches that there is an extrinsic reparation to be paid as a price for sin, as opposed to an internal transformation which needs to take place. This is why-according to Catholic theology-the Pope can grant a plenary indulgence, completely freeing one from the effects of past sins. Although Orthodoxy and Catholicism both inherit a common tradition of practicing penance as a means of combating the effects of sin, this change in understanding within Catholicism has led to the relaxed attitude that most Catholic priests and laity have towards penance today.
@@user-bg8wk9yp3gI guess I’m missing the portion where we supposedly aren’t encouraged to change our hearts? One thing that is continually stated, nearly at every single mass, is how all of us are called to be saints. Saints, of course, have great love and devotion to Jesus Christ and all of Christ’s people. Changing one’s heart is a necessary part of this process.
This man is about half an hour away from my home, and I've communicated with him and he has helped me so much when I desperately needed it, but this is slander. I imagine we all know what he "means" charitably, but we also know what he "means" personally.
I'm a Catholic and on this issue, considering what this priest is telling, I see no difference between Catholic and Orthodox doctrines. The Catholic Church values sacraments, the teaching of the Fathers, the examplarity of the saints etc... It insists on the importance of confession and the necessary effort to sin no more. The Catholic Church is very serious about repentance and personal efforts to fight sins. I have never ever been led to believe healing differed from salvation. It is the exact same thing for us. Different terms expressing the very same reality.
Catholics don’t worship Mary. We pray / ask Mary to take our prayers to Jesus in order that our prayers to Jesus /God be heard more. Jesus listens to Mary when she requests. All our worship goes to God/Jesus.
@@angelawatkinson245 I may be wrong but I have the gut feeling he is not interested in your explanation. It's probably not the first time he attacks Catholics on this very matter with these fallacious reproaches.
Catholic Church also teaches about forgiveness and healing leading to perfection. Although I am not sure if the phrase 'salvation is healing' is ever used.
I’ve heard that the Romans are focused on the sins and Hell while the Orthodox are looking at their salvation through Christ’s resurrection. Btw, I’m not saying this like it’s black and white.
I think the main difference is that the Orthodox church seeks for humans to strive to be Christ-like and sin is considered an illness. Like you step into a hospital, you see the sick, but you don't judge them. You try to help them. That is the Orthodox perspective. From my experience in the Catholic church, the goal to be Christ-like is not really mentioned. Instead it is more transactional, such as mitigating your sin to be able to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, like you are paying a toll. And the sin has to legalistically be removed through the intercessor of the priest in Confession. Confession is also a reality for the Orthodox but it is seen as you are an ill person coming to God to be healed, so that your goal to be Christlike can be your main path in life.
@alexmoreau2581 unfortunately the great majority of priests rarely talk about sin at all, let alone the very real existence of hell. We have the Sacrament of Confession, but outside of that most priests seem scared to say anything that ppl might find challenging. Forgiveness & healing go hand in hand - you can't have one without the other. Especially when it comes to healing of the soul.
Except that we’re all sinners as human beings, you cannot be a human being and achieve perfection so saying what good is forgiveness if you’re still a sinner kind of doesn’t apply because none of us can achieve being sinless. So forgiveness is key, but so is trying to do the right thing and learning from mistakes. It isn’t one or the other
Forgiveness is just the start of conversation with God. Then your get your cross and go to perfection with help of the Holy Spirit. It's path of all the Saints and also of all the believers including you. From the Orthodox point of view salvation is a process, and you can lose it or come closer to God depending on following you this path or not.
@@hakooplayplay3212I think a lot of what is missing in Western Theology is the Cosmological significance of God's incarnation, and defeating of death. The fruits of the two worldviews are summed up in the Original Sin doctrine of the West, and the Ancestral Sin doctrine of the East. One, an inheriter of guilt for Adam's sin, the other an inheriter of a corrupted nature and World.
@@alexanderkempf9828 sure. But you should go to perfection and be perfect as you can buy Theosis, by power of the Holy Spirit, by Christ living in you. You definitely should have the Holy Spirit and be different than unbelievers. This is what the parable of the 10 virgins is about. If the Spirit is not in you, you will be rejected.
@@hakooplayplay3212you can have the Holy Spirit within you, and you can be the most practicing believer there is, mass everyday prayer, confessions, all of it and you will still be a sinner because we are flesh and blood human beings. Yes God comes in and closes the gap we cannot fill but he does not and will not do that here on this earth, it happens when we are called up, it happens on our new earth saying you cannot be forgiven if you aren’t perfect or sinless defeats Jesus’s entire purpose.
The Father is right. It’s a failing of the Catholic Church, my Church, that there is no teaching. There’s shaming at times, but no teaching. I recall one time a priest, who was obviously a Gay man. Not saying he wasn’t bearing his Cross, and not abstaining. He told a story where he went to the local coffee shop, a stand up place. He told that as he was enjoying his coffee the men were ogling a scantily dressed woman. He then went on to chastise them for doing that to “a child of God”. Well, yes, that’s true. But he said nothing to the scantily dressed woman! This fear, trepidation to call women out when they’re obviously being “Jezebel” is rampant. Every time I see those women come out of the Orthodox Church, they are presentable, not “Jezebel” in appearance. Kudos to the Orthodox Church! ✝️
Well do u believe in infant baptism? Do u believe in praying to saints? Do u believe in the common priesthood of all believers? If so why does only one ordained priest In church is allowed to touch the bread and wine..and to listen to ur confession? If only God can forgive Why does church "father" have the right to forgive people on earth..why is it exclusive to church priests on earth? Do u pray to Jesus's mother mary..do u pray for her intercession? So if u do all this..u know what u shud be called..ryt?
@@medotaku9360 Catholics aren't Christians. They worship Mary which Jesus says is idolatry. Exodus 20:4-5 is 2nd Commandment not to bow down or worship anyone but God.
I always say to my non orthodox friends or in-laws who are Catholic that our orthodox faith just takes more. More time, more sacrifice and more patience. Also growing up Greek it was also a culture not unlike Jews where it’s your religion and culture
I was raised Catholic and this is what I was taught. There’s also a strong emphasis on purgatory and a sin being like a stain on a white shirt, you have to work to get it off through prayer and penance
We Orthodox and Catholic are same Church but Theology and Politics divide us. The real name of Orthodox Church is One Holly Catholic Apostolic Church. If you dive deeper you will find almost all of the teachings are the same between 2 Churches even today. For me as a man of faith that difference doesn't really matter. But both Churches are standing their ground and say to eachother you are wrong about this this and this so until you come to understanding we cant be again the same Church. My view is that we are both right the ones who open their heart to Christ and seeking him to come into us like Saint Paul said. The only thing which i personally cant grasp my heart and mind around about Catholic Church is not giving Holy Communion to their believers. Because Jesus Christ on the last supper give Holy Communion to every single one even to Judas Iscariot, who he knew what is in his heart and mind. Maybe you have some explanation or some priest from your Church know why is that. I would be happy to hear the explanation on this topic. Jesus is Risen.
Born and raised catholic, it teaches the same things it just may not be enforced as much. We are also taught to fast, but we arent exactly reminded when, but we know not to eat meat on Fridays during lent I guess :/ we don’t really fast much
“Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.” It’s literally said during us receiving the sacrament of the Eucharist. I’m Catholic and nothing bad to say about Orthodox, we are brothers and sisters in Christ.
Father, I say this as someone with an increasing respect for Orthodoxy, but really, if this is what you see as the difference between Orthodoxy and Catholicism then you dont know a thing about Catholicism.
I would argue the CC acts the same way. I wouldn’t rest solely on false equivalence to guide what tradition suits you, but if it does suit you then praise be to God.
First baby food then adult food. Babies can't eat adult food and no loving adult would feed a baby meat. They would choke and die. Teach with love be loving. This is directed at no one it's just my own personal statement spoken to anyone who wants to hear it. I also strongly feel unless you are ordained as a teacher you really shouldn't teach at all you should just love people bring them to Jesus and let Him take it from there.
@@MrPigeonnn I don't think you even need to explain how infallibility of a single man is off putting to common man. Christians kind of low key want only God to be that, and yeah, you can go and say the Church itself is infallible, but as A WHOLE, not a person in a seat. How many times has a Cardinal have had illegal and illegitimate children just to recognize them once he became Pope, and bam, you can't do anything about it, cause he's infallible. Bad idea. Same thing for indulgences, the very idea you can buy out of sin is rather disgusting. Do you not know history about these two issues and how much troubles it caused, both theologically and practically? I mean come on, these things on top of some power struggles is why Protestants became a thing on the first place. Of course people are massively converting to Orthodoxy, especially Western people who grew up as Baptists and other form of herodoxies. If you think about it, it's just as apostolic, has the same structure but doesn't have sniffing pope's fart, and I won't even go into filioque and all that spiel about Pope changing creed without the council, cause I don't even need to, that's just cherry on top. Basically, if you're some unpracticing Christian that started his journey and are looking into denomination you fit in, if you learn history, you won't pick anything but Orthodoxy.
Saying a man can absolve your sins and papal Heresy, along with all the child molestation that has been forgiven by the pope, and your idol worship and so on, is why I'm protestant.
I made a choice when I was a kid to either be Catholic or Serbian Orthodox as my father was Orthodox and my mother was Catholic. I picked Catholicism as I was not treated well within the Orthodox Church. From what I remember, they didn’t seem to accept me as much as I was not fully Serbian but only half. It was also a very strict church. I felt like I couldn’t relax and would be condemned if I wore jeans to mass. It was also very interesting to me the way that women would get up half way through service to prepare food for the men while the men just sat in church waiting for their meal to be ready. That wasn’t something I was all the way comfortable with. I wasn’t happy at the Orthodox Church. I remember it as a place of judgment and condemnation. Many people within the church also seemed to dislike the Catholic Church when the Catholic Church has no issue with the Orthodox Church. I just don’t think the Orthodox Church is very welcoming to outsiders. I was very unhappy. There doesn’t seem to be RUclips videos made by Catholics talking about why Catholicism is better. Only Orthodox seem to feel the need to talk about why their church is better and judge and compare it to the Catholics. Perhaps I would have chosen to be Orthodox but it seems a bit too judgy for me.
He’s kind of distinctions are really unfounded. It is true that both may express in different ways but I don’t think any Catholic would agree with this distinction. Best for East and West to just get to know one another.
As a Catholic I thought that this was really interesting because in my experience, the Catholic church teaches the same thing that you are talking about, but I thought it was strange that you said "If you're forgiven but still a sinner, what good is that?" The first Saint felt like a good example of the weight of forgiveness without perfection on earth. St. Dismas, the good thief said that he and the other thief deserved to be there. Someone deserving the cruellest punishment being given paradise by the forgiveness of their sins speaks volumes. Add onto that the lack of a longer life for intentionally perfecting ones self by the grace of God makes it seem like forgiveness itself is a large part of the overall purifying agent that works alongside asceticism. Given this example, It seems as though it does some pretty heavy lifting on its own. I'd be curious to hear an extension of this video that delves into the Orthodox perspective of St. Dismas. Thanks for the great videos!
I absolutely agree with his sentiment except I do not believe this is something separate from the Catholic belief. At most it just called something different.
The Holy Bible teaches us how to be truly good. Not in our eyes, but the Lord's. To be perfect as our Father in Heaven. Setting the example for us all in Christ. ❤
What good is forgiveness if you're still a sinner? You will always be a sinner. The only sinless one is the Massiah. Work towards perfection but you will always be a sinner. If you were perfect, you wouldn't need His sacrifice. Salvation is forgiveness, it is healing, it's grace, it's a gift.
You can NEVER be perfect and without sin . straight from the mouth of the apostle Paul. Romans 6 and 7. It’s not an excuse to sin, but to teach a Christian that perfection is obtainable would wreak havoc upon their mind overtime due to the literal impossibility of perfection
This is a beautiful expression of exactly what Jesus and.so many saints of the Church teach. It's a shame that isn't more luminous clear to all. Spread the joy and hope of the Gospel, my brothers and sisters.
I really want to convert to Orthodoxy, from the Protestant church, but I can't get past one thing, that I don't quite understand, and thats the veneration of the saints. Genuine question, because I feel like it'd almost be, in a way, worshipping the saints. I know I'm wrong, but I don't know what else it is. I know we should hold holy people in high regard, such as Mary, the Mother of Jesus, but what draws the line between worshipping, and repecting or venerating? I apologize in advance if my inquiry is wrongly worded and possibly offensive, I am wrongly educated on the subject.
We commune with the saints, who are alive with Christ. As we draw close to others who are close to God, we draw closer to God. The saints, we know are alive and we ask (pray) they commune with God on our behalf (intercede). Their prayers helps us.
The saints are our spiritual athletes and role models and heros regular people who achieved holiness and a holy life as we should follow the lord Jesus as they have bringing us closer in communion and connection with god. We dont worship our holy mother of God Mary the saints and angels as God but pray for us as we ask a family member or friend to pray for us.
Thank you both @nathankirwan2565 and @ShaneCash-fn3hz for giving me wisdom on the topic, I am forever grateful, you help me in my journey with Christ, God bless you both, I hope I will see you In the millennium reign one day!
@@Chadius_Maximus-on9moYou need to understand that prayer and worship are separate things. Prayer is simply a request, like in the old English "I pray thee tell." Worship is characterized by sacrifice. Under the Old Covenant, the Israelites worshipped God by offering animal sacrifices. Under the New Covenant, we worship by offering the sacrifice of Christ to God the Father. Saints are not worshipped because we don't offer sacrifice to them. For more information on the sacrifice of the New Covenant, search "church fathers Mass as a sacrifice."
That's also taught in protestant Christian churches. I was raised Catholic, studied about Orthodoxy, and have been a part of a protestant church for 30 years. This is believed by all Christians, but some emphasize it more, some less. Jesus did not stop at forgiveness; he also imputed his own righteousness and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit -- forgiven AND sanctified by Jesus. I don't think he's presenting a difference in theology, but emphasis and belated understanding. There are many things the catholic church teaches and believes that I failed to understand during my childhood and young adulthood that I came to understand after studying the Bible in a protestant church. What the catholic church (and more importantly, my parents) failed to do with me is teach me to love God's Word and to read it for myself. We were able to rectify this with our own kids. I have a sympathetic disposition toward the Orthodox church, but we all need Jesus for forgiveness and sanctification, regardless of how you express it.
I thought no one good, not one person. How can we be perfect if the only perfect person already left this earth. I’m Non denomination but still always see what my orthadox brothers have to say
Forgiveness is about clearing the harm your sins have caused and it is the source of healing. And orthodox christians are the only people who teach self improvement.
Salvation is both forgiveness AND healing. We have our blood-price paid by Christ's death, and rise as a new creation with his ressurection. Part of Salvation is overcoming sin and the weakness of this flesh, striving for a higher nature.
Being forgiven is healing when one who through Christ's LOVE comes to him in the union of love with contrite heart from knowing the greatest expression of Love which we are called to eat the body of Christ that is how much he pours his love into us he died and then we are repentant and we come in Union to have the Holy Eucharist which Unites us in a LOVE union
'For he said unto him that the Lord surely should come to redeem his people, but that he should not come to redeem them in their sins, but to redeem them from their sins' (Helaman 5:10).
We're all under God. Catholic, Orthodox or Apostolic arguing differences is derailing the message from Jesus Christ and glorifying OUR way rather than HIS way.
As non denomination I think just the order are different. In Catholicism those who have been saved/forgiven will feel the drive to do exactly as he say, those who don't haven't yet been saved and thus haven't been forgiven. In Orthodoxy you start with the works so as to express your faith so that you might be saved.
Well do u believe in infant baptism? Do u believe in praying to saints? Do u believe in the common priesthood of all believers? If so why does only one ordained priest In church is allowed to touch the bread and wine..and to listen to ur confession? If only God can forgive Why does church "father" have the right to forgive people on earth..why is it exclusive to church priests on earth? Do u pray to Jesus's mother mary..do u pray for her intercession? So if u do all this..u know what u shud be called..ryt?
@@joshuajames1998 Like I said I'm non Denomination, I defend the Catholics because I don't want the Churches of God fighting amongst themselves even if I don't agree with all of there practices. There are bigger things we need to be focused on, especially now.
@@tenks360 yah der are bigger things like Influence of Homosexuallity Societal pressure to change gender Abortion.. Sex out of wedlock Failing marriages Atheism So u r ryt.. important stuffs are der.. But the above stuffs matter too
@@joshuajames1998 I'm legitimately curious, is your phrasing (der) from quick typing or are you mocking me? And if you are mocking me are you in a position to be lecturing others about Christ?
I slightly disagree...because when he said " salvation is perfection" i disagree onky jesus is perfect and lived life with no sin...how can us as humans be viewed " perfect " is we still sin❤🤨🤷♂️
Perfection can not be obtained in this flesh, that’s why scripture says while we were still sinners God saved us. Anyone who says they don’t sin is a liar. We should strive to obey Christ and follow Him daily but also realize that perfection won’t come until Christ returns. We are being sanctified daily but salvation is a one time event. The moment that we accept Jesus as our Lord…the moment we profess faith in His death, burial, and resurrection by the grace of God…we receive the indwelling of The Holy Spirit. Once saved, always saved. Nothing in all of creation can separate a believer from the love of God in Christ our Lord. If salvation could be lost, then we would all lose it. As we strive to become righteous or free from sin, and as we all fall short, true believers find themselves back at the foot of the cross where grace and mercy and the love of God are found abundantly in the perfect sacrifice of Christ our Lord. There is nothing we can do to obtain or maintain salvation, it’s a free gift from God by His grace alone through Christ alone and for His glory alone. So that we have nothing to boast about. The only contribution we make towards our salvation is the sin that makes it necessary. If you have faith in Jesus, praise God! It wasn’t by works or a free will that led anyone to saving faith, but by grace alone. Yes, I believe in the doctrines of grace or the five points of Calvinism. I believe in the five solas. I am a Protestant. I believe in reformed covenant theology. I believe in credo-baptism or believers baptism. I’m a member of a Presbyterian church (PCA). I believe in the Westminster confessions although because of my position on baptism, I probably line up better with the 1689 London Baptist confessional. If you disagree with my beliefs, that’s okay. I just hope and pray that you place all of your faith in Jesus Christ! If we add works to grace, then there is no longer grace. Anything good in or of us is the work of The Holy Spirit, including coming to faith in Christ. Apart from grace, we are all enemies with God. None of us chooses Him, not before He chooses us. When we see Him face to face, if He asks you “why should I let you enter Heaven?” What will you tell Him? Will you start listing all the good things you’ve done, all the right choices you made, will you say that you choose to have faith based on your own free will or logic apart from grace? Or will you simply say, “because Jesus took my punishment for sin, and I am redeemed.” When Jesus offered atonement for our sins on the cross, before He died He said “it is finished”. That’s the only reason God will let any of us enter His Kingdom, because of what Jesus did for us!!! Shalom
It is true, that God will chastise those who he loves, those that are sons and daughters by the blood of Jesus. Though i think it's important to divide the question of salvation and sanctification. Im not going to lie im not certain of everything i believe about God, but I have hope that God is still good even if I dont know everything about Him.
You’re stating the Protestant theology as if it is Catholic. So the Protestants say Catholics teach salvation through good works and Orthodox say Catholic teach salvation through mere forgiveness.🤔🙄
Catholic Youth and Adult formation director here. This is exactly what Catholicism teaches. While it is true that we need forgiveness for our sins, as attested to in Scripture and the saints, as well as even this video, that forgiveness is only a part of the healing our souls need. We are broken. We are wounded by sin, ours and others. We need to be healed of that wound of original sin, regenerated unto new life, and led into the ways of life. To say that we don’t teach exactly what is said here is demonstrably and factually incorrect. If done knowingly it’s also a lie, calumny.
I wasn’t raised in religion, and I am born again Christian. I have always wondered, if we accept Jesus as the sacrifice for our sins and guilt, why is it necessary to confess to a man instead of just confessing to our father in heaven? I don’t know any Catholics who really understand the traditions enough to give me an answer. And I actually want to know the answer. I’m not trying to offend anyone. It just doesn’t make sense to me. Maybe because Christianity’s main thing is having a personal relationship with God it just feels like there shouldn’t have to be a middle man. I would love if someone could reference scripture talking about this because I’m confused
Leviticus 5:5 Numbers 5:6-7 2 Samuel 12:13 Psalm 32:5 Psalm 38:18 Proverbs 28:13 Matthew 3:6 Matthew 16:19 Matthew 18:18 Mark 1:5 John 20:22-23 Acts 19:18 James 5:16 1 John 1:9 Hope this helps.
From ChatGPT The practice of confession, particularly in the Christian tradition, has a long history that evolved over centuries. Here's a brief overview: Early Christianity (1st-3rd Century): Initially, confession of sins was a public act. Early Christians confessed their sins openly before the community and received communal forgiveness. This was based on the belief in mutual accountability and communal support. 4th-6th Century: As Christianity became more institutionalized, the practice of public confession started to change. During this period, the concept of penance developed. St. Ambrose, St. Augustine, and other Church Fathers wrote extensively about sin, confession, and penance. 6th Century: Private confession began to take shape, especially in monastic communities. Irish monks played a significant role in promoting private confession. They introduced "penitential books," which provided a list of sins and corresponding penances. Later Middle Ages (12th-13th Century): The Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 made annual confession to a priest mandatory for all Christians. This formalized the practice of private confession and established it as a sacrament in the Roman Catholic Church. Council of Trent (1545-1563): The Council of Trent reaffirmed the importance of confession and the sacrament of penance in response to the Protestant Reformation, which had challenged many traditional Catholic practices, including confession. Throughout history, the practice of confession has varied widely across different Christian denominations and has evolved to include both private and communal forms.
Salvation is Him! If you do not seek Him you do not find salvation...no matter how " sinless" you think you are becomeing... Only He can make sin less, only He can make you understand, ALL.BY.HE'S. WILL...only by His love and from your love of Him you will will take the right steps...but you can't have a relationship with someone if you don't even try to know them.
If that was me I would say, “well they’re both absolutely historically verifiably and biblically heresy. But if you REALLY want to know the difference. One of them says they’re the true church and has a pope. And the other tells the same lie and doesn’t have a pope”
Aaaaand this is why I'm Reform, because those are not and either/or, but a both. Jesus Christ payed for our sins on the cross so we can be forgiven, _AND_ the Holy Spirit renews us from with in by implanting us with new desires that is pleasing to God. Forgiveness _and_ healing.
Salvation is about jesus, having faith in Jesus means following his teachings. Matthew 7:21-23 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but this isn't exclusive to Orthodox Christianity. Protestantism and Catholicism both have this idea. It may be expressed differently but the idea is the same.
One thing I've noticed with the works based groups is that they are very, very careful to call what they are doing anything but what it actually is in practice.
Who told the Orthodox that the catholicism doesnt involve teaching? Matter of effect, the Cath. Church created the educational system. Even at Theological levels we have to understand as Catholics how the spiritual mechanism and the Sinm of the flesh works
You will never be perfect. You will never not be a sinner. What good is Jesus if you can work yourself into Heaven? The Bible itself teaches salvation by grace through faith in Jesus. It also literally teaches that works will not save you, nor can any human offer you salvation.
Healing is literally what every roman catholics ask right before receiving the Eucharist: "I am not worthy to receive you but only say the word and I shall be healed". I probably don't have the exact wording down but you get the idea.
Mercy begets forgiveness which in turn allows healing.
This is also what the Catholic catechism teaches
No because see confession there is a wall between the priest and the believer
What does it matter if its not what they actually carry out. I was catholic and after confession they just say oh you'll be fine do 3 our fathers or say the rosary once and forget about it. It can be horrible and disgusting sins and its always the same "penance".
Its completely impersonal no one is called to actually repent everyone just goes on doing the same sins and never reforms their heart. They deny the very mechanism that makes Redemption possible which is through the energies of God purifying and awakening your noetic spiritual light for you to become one with God through theosis like saint Gregory of palamas and many other fathers and saints taught. They teach that The holy spirit leaves those who commit mortal sins and very minor things can be mortal sins. Yet they themselves have not atoned for the sins they have done throughout history such as the killing of orthodox saints and the abusing of children.
@@LucientheLion imagine going to a physicians and he being behind a fence saying to you what you need to be healed
@@LucientheLion Because we focus on the Sacrament it has to be face to face the greek word for person is προσωποv it actually means to be a person you have to communicate face to face otherwise you are not...
@@raywest7222 u're very right!
I hope his answer makes others realize the orthodox and the catholics should really be one large church, together
Agreed. The differences are very small and we should be unified.
I agree, they are both just as wrong, they should be one.
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@@senduslordstop smoking! Catholics jumped out of the ship. They're wrong, so they should get back on the right track.
Not with all those Catholic heresies, but go off.
Forgiveness IS healing!
Other way around. Through healing, we find forgiveness.
@@Belisarius_IC_XC_NIKA Actually, they go hand in hand. And God will do it for one (put forgiveness, and therefore healing, in one's heart) if one sincerely asks for it.
Catholic revert and RCIA teacher. Catholicism teaches this but maybe doesn’t use the word healing as much but that is exactly what the Sacraments do. They help us learn from our sin and repent and sin no more - if correctly applied (as any Christian must apply).
Praying for reunification of Orthodox and Catholic Churches!!!
RCIA was best thing I ever done people need to educate themselves about the Catholic faith
@@user-zt4ct6gd2q AMEN! Glad you had a great experience! What was the best part for you?
Then maybe you can help me with this.
Colossians 2:8 see to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ
Galatians 1:8 though we, or an angel from heaven, preach unto you a gospel different than the gospel we have preached unto you, let him be accursed
2 Peter 3:2 that you should remember the words spoken beforehand by the Holy prophets and the commandments of the Lord and Savior spoken by your Apostles
Time and again we are told to hold to only that which the Apostles taught us. In the New Testament Matthew is the only Apostle to say Mary's name. He also told us Joseph was the hero of the virgin story. That after the angel spoke to Mary once all other communication went thru Joseph.
In Matthew 12 when Jesus was told His mother was outside He pointed to the believers in front of Him and said, "Here is My mother ", He added that anyone who does the will of God is His mother. For Jesus, His family were those in His blood and not in earthly blood. It was either leave Mary with John or His brothers who didn't believe in Him, John 7:5
John, after becoming the caretaker of Mary never saw anything special about her to write about, he never mentioned her name
Paul, wrote almost half of the New Testament and never mentioned her name
Peter, ignored her existence in his writings. He never said she was the mother of God, the new ark, the queen of heaven. He never sought her or prayed to her. He never said she was sinless or a co-redeemer with Jesus. He completely ignored her, not a single Hail Mary.
After the period of Jesus's birth Mary's name is all but erased from scripture. Only mentioned by name three times, Matthew 13, Mark 6, Acts 1.. the three times we are told she had other children.
From the creation of the first Christian Church in Acts thru Revelation her name is not mentioned. The pillars, Peter, James, John, and i will add Paul.. never say her name.
What tradition did these men give us that led to the Catholic Church making her more?
You're right - one of the mantra's of Catholicism is 'become a saint, what else is there?'. so orthodoxy is not a completely different paradigm. This gentleman isn't very well informed and is perhaps confusing Protestantism with Catholicism.
@@glennherron9499 Thank you for bringing up these important scripture passages and questions. Let’s address your concerns step by step.
Colossians 2:8 warns against being taken captive by human traditions and philosophies that contradict Christ’s teachings. Considering all forms of truth does not mean being captive by them. The Church sees God’s Word and Revelation in all of Creation, recognizing God as the Author of all truth. As long as human philosophy helps us arrive at the truth and does not contradict Scripture, it can be profitable. The same holds true for psychology, biology, and other fields of study. The Church has a rich history of pursuing these disciplines to better understand the totality of God’s Revelation.
Galatians 1:8 emphasizes the importance of adhering to the true Gospel. The Catholic Church’s doctrines are based on the Gospel as preached by the Apostles and safeguarded by the Church throughout history. Perhaps you can provide more detail on where you see a problem in Catholic teaching here.
2 Peter 3:2 highlights the importance of remembering the words of the prophets and apostles. Yes, we agree! The Church employs Sacred Tradition-the oral passing down of interpretations from previous generations-as a way to ensure we honor the words and teachings of the apostles. This is the primary task of the priests and bishops: to hold fast to the doctrines taught by the Apostles and preserved in the deposit of faith. It is not just the words of the Bible that are important but understanding the original author’s intent. There are many extra-biblical texts, written by those trained by the apostles, that give us a better idea of what the original apostles taught.
Regarding Mary, while it’s true that the New Testament does not extensively document her role, the Church’s understanding of her significance has developed through reflection on Scripture and Tradition. Let’s consider the following points:
1. Role of Mary in Scripture: Mary’s role is highlighted in key moments, such as the Annunciation (Luke 1:26-38) and the Wedding at Cana (John 2:1-12), where Jesus performed His first miracle at her request. These instances indicate her unique relationship with Jesus and her faith.
2. John and Mary: At the crucifixion, Jesus entrusted Mary to John (John 19:26-27), symbolizing her role as the mother of all believers. This act underscores her importance within the Christian community.
3. Church Fathers and Tradition: Early Church Fathers, such as St. Irenaeus and St. Augustine, reflected on Mary’s role as the New Eve and her perpetual virginity. These reflections, rooted in Scripture, contributed to the development of Marian doctrines.
4. Title of “Mother of God”: The Council of Ephesus in 431 AD affirmed Mary as Theotokos, or “God-bearer,” emphasizing that Jesus is both fully God and fully man. This title protects the doctrine of the Incarnation.
5. Revelation and Mary’s Queenship: In Revelation 12, the woman clothed with the sun is often interpreted as a symbol of Mary and the Church. This imagery supports her role as Queen of Heaven, a title reflecting her exalted status due to her unique cooperation in God’s plan of salvation.
Mary is deemed one of the greatest saints because she said “yes” to God’s plan. Catholics never worship her as if she were God, but she, among many strong saints throughout the ages, serves as an inspiration for us all.
While the New Testament may not extensively document Mary’s role, the Catholic Church’s teachings on her are grounded in a holistic interpretation of Scripture, Tradition, and the continuous guidance of the Holy Spirit. These teachings aim to honor her unique role in salvation history without detracting from the centrality of Christ.
If you have more, let's try to tackle one thing at a time :)
Proud to be orthodox..amen
Pride is a sin also 😂
Catholic here and Catholicism would agree with and practice everything this priest mentioned.
I’d be interested in the full context of his explanation, but as always, I love and respect all of my Orthodox brothers and sisters. God bless!
Not to oversimplify, but in generally speaking, Catholicism teaches that there is an extrinsic reparation to be paid as a price for sin, as opposed to an internal transformation which needs to take place. This is why-according to Catholic theology-the Pope can grant a plenary indulgence, completely freeing one from the effects of past sins. Although Orthodoxy and Catholicism both inherit a common tradition of practicing penance as a means of combating the effects of sin, this change in understanding within Catholicism has led to the relaxed attitude that most Catholic priests and laity have towards penance today.
@@user-bg8wk9yp3gI guess I’m missing the portion where we supposedly aren’t encouraged to change our hearts?
One thing that is continually stated, nearly at every single mass, is how all of us are called to be saints. Saints, of course, have great love and devotion to Jesus Christ and all of Christ’s people. Changing one’s heart is a necessary part of this process.
Catholic here, i agree. In fact this is what we criticize about protestants: they just preach forgiveness, not the importance of being away from sin.
@@strength_phaseAs a protestant, we very much do talk about staying away from sin, but not those gay “churches” if that’s what your thinking about
@@fakepistonnotrealuser9 the problem about the protestant church is exactly the open door to those abominations
This man is about half an hour away from my home, and I've communicated with him and he has helped me so much when I desperately needed it, but this is slander. I imagine we all know what he "means" charitably, but we also know what he "means" personally.
You should talk to him. Ask him why he said that and explain your side.
Did you buy him the sandwich? He doesn’t look like he’s taking a bath in quite some time.
I'm Catholic and I teach my children right from wrong, prayer and fasting etc
I'm a Catholic and on this issue, considering what this priest is telling, I see no difference between Catholic and Orthodox doctrines.
The Catholic Church values sacraments, the teaching of the Fathers, the examplarity of the saints etc... It insists on the importance of confession and the necessary effort to sin no more. The Catholic Church is very serious about repentance and personal efforts to fight sins.
I have never ever been led to believe healing differed from salvation. It is the exact same thing for us. Different terms expressing the very same reality.
There is a big difference that Catholics worship Mother Mary and the idols which is purely against Holy "GOD".
@@kadonaldkorsa8852 👈Protestant spotted.
You should ask this Orthodox priest about the Theotokos.
Catholics don’t worship Mary. We pray / ask Mary to take our prayers to Jesus in order that our prayers to Jesus /God be heard more. Jesus listens to Mary when she requests.
All our worship goes to God/Jesus.
@@angelawatkinson245 I may be wrong but I have the gut feeling he is not interested in your explanation. It's probably not the first time he attacks Catholics on this very matter with these fallacious reproaches.
@@FREEMAN.... An Orthodox would reject the Immaculate Conception, yet still venerate Mary as the greatest of saints.
Catholic Church also teaches about forgiveness and healing leading to perfection. Although I am not sure if the phrase 'salvation is healing' is ever used.
I’ve heard that the Romans are focused on the sins and Hell while the Orthodox are looking at their salvation through Christ’s resurrection. Btw, I’m not saying this like it’s black and white.
I think the main difference is that the Orthodox church seeks for humans to strive to be Christ-like and sin is considered an illness. Like you step into a hospital, you see the sick, but you don't judge them. You try to help them. That is the Orthodox perspective. From my experience in the Catholic church, the goal to be Christ-like is not really mentioned. Instead it is more transactional, such as mitigating your sin to be able to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, like you are paying a toll. And the sin has to legalistically be removed through the intercessor of the priest in Confession. Confession is also a reality for the Orthodox but it is seen as you are an ill person coming to God to be healed, so that your goal to be Christlike can be your main path in life.
@@alexmoreau2581Definitely not true.
@alexmoreau2581 unfortunately the great majority of priests rarely talk about sin at all, let alone the very real existence of hell. We have the Sacrament of Confession, but outside of that most priests seem scared to say anything that ppl might find challenging. Forgiveness & healing go hand in hand - you can't have one without the other. Especially when it comes to healing of the soul.
Except that we’re all sinners as human beings, you cannot be a human being and achieve perfection so saying what good is forgiveness if you’re still a sinner kind of doesn’t apply because none of us can achieve being sinless. So forgiveness is key, but so is trying to do the right thing and learning from mistakes. It isn’t one or the other
Forgiveness is just the start of conversation with God. Then your get your cross and go to perfection with help of the Holy Spirit. It's path of all the Saints and also of all the believers including you. From the Orthodox point of view salvation is a process, and you can lose it or come closer to God depending on following you this path or not.
@@hakooplayplay3212I think a lot of what is missing in Western Theology is the Cosmological significance of God's incarnation, and defeating of death.
The fruits of the two worldviews are summed up in the Original Sin doctrine of the West, and the Ancestral Sin doctrine of the East.
One, an inheriter of guilt for Adam's sin, the other an inheriter of a corrupted nature and World.
@@hakooplayplay3212 You cannot be perfected on earth.
@@alexanderkempf9828 sure. But you should go to perfection and be perfect as you can buy Theosis, by power of the Holy Spirit, by Christ living in you. You definitely should have the Holy Spirit and be different than unbelievers. This is what the parable of the 10 virgins is about. If the Spirit is not in you, you will be rejected.
@@hakooplayplay3212you can have the Holy Spirit within you, and you can be the most practicing believer there is, mass everyday prayer, confessions, all of it and you will still be a sinner because we are flesh and blood human beings. Yes God comes in and closes the gap we cannot fill but he does not and will not do that here on this earth, it happens when we are called up, it happens on our new earth saying you cannot be forgiven if you aren’t perfect or sinless defeats Jesus’s entire purpose.
This is the difference between orthodoxy + Catholicism AND Protestantism
I think the difference comes from the politically motivated subversion of roman catholics vs what it used to be which was agreeable to orthodox?
I mean, the real difference is sola scriptura but I get what you're saying
The Father is right. It’s a failing of the Catholic Church, my Church, that there is no teaching. There’s shaming at times, but no teaching. I recall one time a priest, who was obviously a Gay man. Not saying he wasn’t bearing his Cross, and not abstaining. He told a story where he went to the local coffee shop, a stand up place. He told that as he was enjoying his coffee the men were ogling a scantily dressed woman. He then went on to chastise them for doing that to “a child of God”. Well, yes, that’s true. But he said nothing to the scantily dressed woman! This fear, trepidation to call women out when they’re obviously being “Jezebel” is rampant. Every time I see those women come out of the Orthodox Church, they are presentable, not “Jezebel” in appearance. Kudos to the Orthodox Church! ✝️
Well do u believe in infant baptism?
Do u believe in praying to saints?
Do u believe in the common priesthood of all believers? If so why does only one ordained priest In church is allowed to touch the bread and wine..and to listen to ur confession? If only God can forgive
Why does church "father" have the right to forgive people on earth..why is it exclusive to church priests on earth?
Do u pray to Jesus's mother mary..do u pray for her intercession?
So if u do all this..u know what u shud be called..ryt?
And why is it this way now? Were roman catholics more forgiving of jezebels now than before or was it more in line with orthodox?
You haven't a clue about Catholicism.
@@joshuajames1998 a... A Christian?
@@medotaku9360 Catholics aren't Christians. They worship Mary which Jesus says is idolatry. Exodus 20:4-5 is 2nd Commandment not to bow down or worship anyone but God.
I always say to my non orthodox friends or in-laws who are Catholic that our orthodox faith just takes more. More time, more sacrifice and more patience. Also growing up Greek it was also a culture not unlike Jews where it’s your religion and culture
I really enjoy your answers to a lot of questions that you’ve answered on RUclips ❤
I was raised Catholic and this is what I was taught. There’s also a strong emphasis on purgatory and a sin being like a stain on a white shirt, you have to work to get it off through prayer and penance
We Orthodox and Catholic are same Church but Theology and Politics divide us. The real name of Orthodox Church is One Holly Catholic Apostolic Church. If you dive deeper you will find almost all of the teachings are the same between 2 Churches even today. For me as a man of faith that difference doesn't really matter. But both Churches are standing their ground and say to eachother you are wrong about this this and this so until you come to understanding we cant be again the same Church. My view is that we are both right the ones who open their heart to Christ and seeking him to come into us like Saint Paul said. The only thing which i personally cant grasp my heart and mind around about Catholic Church is not giving Holy Communion to their believers. Because Jesus Christ on the last supper give Holy Communion to every single one even to Judas Iscariot, who he knew what is in his heart and mind. Maybe you have some explanation or some priest from your Church know why is that. I would be happy to hear the explanation on this topic. Jesus is Risen.
Where is any of that in the Bible?
Born and raised catholic, it teaches the same things it just may not be enforced as much. We are also taught to fast, but we arent exactly reminded when, but we know not to eat meat on Fridays during lent I guess :/ we don’t really fast much
Salvation and perfection is what Jesus does in our place
Beautiful spoken 👏👏☦️☦️
Salvation comes through Jesus alone I am the way the truth and the life no man sees the father but through me
Right and he says: "if you love me obey my commands."
The doctrine of regeneration. John 3:3 "you must be born again"
“Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.” It’s literally said during us receiving the sacrament of the Eucharist. I’m Catholic and nothing bad to say about Orthodox, we are brothers and sisters in Christ.
Father, I say this as someone with an increasing respect for Orthodoxy, but really, if this is what you see as the difference between Orthodoxy and Catholicism then you dont know a thing about Catholicism.
He is pointing to a difference that exists between the two Churches but it would need more time to explicate.
He clearly said 'I was told ...'
Nothing else.
I would argue the CC acts the same way. I wouldn’t rest solely on false equivalence to guide what tradition suits you, but if it does suit you then praise be to God.
The Gospel is about God forgiving sinners “even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.”
Jesus Christ said the sick needs a physicians and i come for the sick
God said "if you want to follow me - pick up your Cross and follow me" not "I just forgive you"
First baby food then adult food. Babies can't eat adult food and no loving adult would feed a baby meat. They would choke and die. Teach with love be loving. This is directed at no one it's just my own personal statement spoken to anyone who wants to hear it. I also strongly feel unless you are ordained as a teacher you really shouldn't teach at all you should just love people bring them to Jesus and let Him take it from there.
Papal Infallibility, indulgences, and other religious innovations were the main reason I chose Orthodoxy over Catholicism.
Sigh
Why did these things turn you away from the RCC?
@@MrPigeonnn I don't think you even need to explain how infallibility of a single man is off putting to common man. Christians kind of low key want only God to be that, and yeah, you can go and say the Church itself is infallible, but as A WHOLE, not a person in a seat. How many times has a Cardinal have had illegal and illegitimate children just to recognize them once he became Pope, and bam, you can't do anything about it, cause he's infallible. Bad idea.
Same thing for indulgences, the very idea you can buy out of sin is rather disgusting. Do you not know history about these two issues and how much troubles it caused, both theologically and practically?
I mean come on, these things on top of some power struggles is why Protestants became a thing on the first place. Of course people are massively converting to Orthodoxy, especially Western people who grew up as Baptists and other form of herodoxies. If you think about it, it's just as apostolic, has the same structure but doesn't have sniffing pope's fart, and I won't even go into filioque and all that spiel about Pope changing creed without the council, cause I don't even need to, that's just cherry on top.
Basically, if you're some unpracticing Christian that started his journey and are looking into denomination you fit in, if you learn history, you won't pick anything but Orthodoxy.
Saying a man can absolve your sins and papal Heresy, along with all the child molestation that has been forgiven by the pope, and your idol worship and so on, is why I'm protestant.
@@MrPigeonnn Its just catholic church. drop the Roman.
Salvation is the atoment done on the cross by the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world
Holiness
I made a choice when I was a kid to either be Catholic or Serbian Orthodox as my father was Orthodox and my mother was Catholic. I picked Catholicism as I was not treated well within the Orthodox Church. From what I remember, they didn’t seem to accept me as much as I was not fully Serbian but only half. It was also a very strict church. I felt like I couldn’t relax and would be condemned if I wore jeans to mass. It was also very interesting to me the way that women would get up half way through service to prepare food for the men while the men just sat in church waiting for their meal to be ready. That wasn’t something I was all the way comfortable with. I wasn’t happy at the Orthodox Church. I remember it as a place of judgment and condemnation. Many people within the church also seemed to dislike the Catholic Church when the Catholic Church has no issue with the Orthodox Church. I just don’t think the Orthodox Church is very welcoming to outsiders. I was very unhappy. There doesn’t seem to be RUclips videos made by Catholics talking about why Catholicism is better. Only Orthodox seem to feel the need to talk about why their church is better and judge and compare it to the Catholics. Perhaps I would have chosen to be Orthodox but it seems a bit too judgy for me.
He’s kind of distinctions are really unfounded. It is true that both may express in different ways but I don’t think any Catholic would agree with this distinction. Best for East and West to just get to know one another.
Even a protestant wouldn't disagree with his understanding
I think we can agree though the West has more of an emphasis on guilt and penance, and the East on sickness and healing. It's quite clear imho.
As an Eastern Orthodox I have to disagree with him on this one, the elevator would’ve gone 2 floors by the time he finished explaining. deboonked.
God's Word taught to us through the Holy Spirit is what we need.
Yes salvation is healing to the soul and a companies forgiveness .
As a Catholic I thought that this was really interesting because in my experience, the Catholic church teaches the same thing that you are talking about, but I thought it was strange that you said "If you're forgiven but still a sinner, what good is that?" The first Saint felt like a good example of the weight of forgiveness without perfection on earth. St. Dismas, the good thief said that he and the other thief deserved to be there. Someone deserving the cruellest punishment being given paradise by the forgiveness of their sins speaks volumes. Add onto that the lack of a longer life for intentionally perfecting ones self by the grace of God makes it seem like forgiveness itself is a large part of the overall purifying agent that works alongside asceticism. Given this example, It seems as though it does some pretty heavy lifting on its own. I'd be curious to hear an extension of this video that delves into the Orthodox perspective of St. Dismas. Thanks for the great videos!
I absolutely agree with his sentiment except I do not believe this is something separate from the Catholic belief. At most it just called something different.
Christ forgiveness heals, Romancatholic Church is the One and Only True Church
lol with pedo cult. Nah
The Holy Bible teaches us how to be truly good. Not in our eyes, but the Lord's. To be perfect as our Father in Heaven. Setting the example for us all in Christ. ❤
An yet there is no assurance of being reconciled with God, and being saved in Orthodoxy.
Catholicism has that too dude
Salvation is perfection
What good is forgiveness if you're still a sinner? You will always be a sinner. The only sinless one is the Massiah. Work towards perfection but you will always be a sinner. If you were perfect, you wouldn't need His sacrifice. Salvation is forgiveness, it is healing, it's grace, it's a gift.
Amen.
You can NEVER be perfect and without sin . straight from the mouth of the apostle Paul. Romans 6 and 7. It’s not an excuse to sin, but to teach a Christian that perfection is obtainable would wreak havoc upon their mind overtime due to the literal impossibility of perfection
Catholicism teaches you to be a better person as well 🤦🏻♀️ A priest hears your confession and tells you to change your life and sin no more.
This is a beautiful expression of exactly what Jesus and.so many saints of the Church teach. It's a shame that isn't more luminous clear to all. Spread the joy and hope of the Gospel, my brothers and sisters.
I really want to convert to Orthodoxy, from the Protestant church, but I can't get past one thing, that I don't quite understand, and thats the veneration of the saints. Genuine question, because I feel like it'd almost be, in a way, worshipping the saints. I know I'm wrong, but I don't know what else it is. I know we should hold holy people in high regard, such as Mary, the Mother of Jesus, but what draws the line between worshipping, and repecting or venerating? I apologize in advance if my inquiry is wrongly worded and possibly offensive, I am wrongly educated on the subject.
We commune with the saints, who are alive with Christ. As we draw close to others who are close to God, we draw closer to God.
The saints, we know are alive and we ask (pray) they commune with God on our behalf (intercede). Their prayers helps us.
The saints are our spiritual athletes and role models and heros regular people who achieved holiness and a holy life as we should follow the lord Jesus as they have bringing us closer in communion and connection with god. We dont worship our holy mother of God Mary the saints and angels as God but pray for us as we ask a family member or friend to pray for us.
Thank you both @nathankirwan2565 and @ShaneCash-fn3hz for giving me wisdom on the topic, I am forever grateful, you help me in my journey with Christ, God bless you both, I hope I will see you In the millennium reign one day!
@@Chadius_Maximus-on9mo God bless you, and yours. Christ is Risen!
@@Chadius_Maximus-on9moYou need to understand that prayer and worship are separate things. Prayer is simply a request, like in the old English "I pray thee tell." Worship is characterized by sacrifice. Under the Old Covenant, the Israelites worshipped God by offering animal sacrifices. Under the New Covenant, we worship by offering the sacrifice of Christ to God the Father. Saints are not worshipped because we don't offer sacrifice to them. For more information on the sacrifice of the New Covenant, search "church fathers Mass as a sacrifice."
By forgiving...you heal...
Why do so many of our Orthodox brethren seem to hate us? We need to come together, not push each other away.
That's also taught in protestant Christian churches. I was raised Catholic, studied about Orthodoxy, and have been a part of a protestant church for 30 years. This is believed by all Christians, but some emphasize it more, some less. Jesus did not stop at forgiveness; he also imputed his own righteousness and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit -- forgiven AND sanctified by Jesus. I don't think he's presenting a difference in theology, but emphasis and belated understanding. There are many things the catholic church teaches and believes that I failed to understand during my childhood and young adulthood that I came to understand after studying the Bible in a protestant church. What the catholic church (and more importantly, my parents) failed to do with me is teach me to love God's Word and to read it for myself. We were able to rectify this with our own kids. I have a sympathetic disposition toward the Orthodox church, but we all need Jesus for forgiveness and sanctification, regardless of how you express it.
Πολυ σωστός , μπράβο αδερφέ!
I'm Protestant (Anglican) but I agree
I thought no one good, not one person. How can we be perfect if the only perfect person already left this earth. I’m
Non denomination but still always see what my orthadox brothers have to say
Forgiveness is about clearing the harm your sins have caused and it is the source of healing. And orthodox christians are the only people who teach self improvement.
Salvation is both forgiveness AND healing. We have our blood-price paid by Christ's death, and rise as a new creation with his ressurection. Part of Salvation is overcoming sin and the weakness of this flesh, striving for a higher nature.
Being forgiven is healing when one who through Christ's LOVE comes to him in the union of love with contrite heart from knowing the greatest expression of Love which we are called to eat the body of Christ that is how much he pours his love into us he died and then we are repentant and we come in Union to have the Holy Eucharist which Unites us in a LOVE union
Teaching them is to disciple them.
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As a Hindu, I believe in Christian religion ✝️☦️
Demons believe and tremble also, if you want to really say you believe in Christ - pick up your cross and follow Him
What type of slow elevator is this guy in? One of those old rope pulley ones?
reunite the two churches the great schism was a thorn in the eye of Christianity.
That is exactly what Catholicism is.. he referring to Baptist
'For he said unto him that the Lord surely should come to redeem his people, but that he should not come to redeem them in their sins, but to redeem them from their sins' (Helaman 5:10).
We're all under God. Catholic, Orthodox or Apostolic arguing differences is derailing the message from Jesus Christ and glorifying OUR way rather than HIS way.
Anyone who views themselves as a disciple of Jesus would articulate this same sentiment in one way or another.
This is why I converted to orthodox
As non denomination I think just the order are different. In Catholicism those who have been saved/forgiven will feel the drive to do exactly as he say, those who don't haven't yet been saved and thus haven't been forgiven.
In Orthodoxy you start with the works so as to express your faith so that you might be saved.
Well do u believe in infant baptism?
Do u believe in praying to saints?
Do u believe in the common priesthood of all believers? If so why does only one ordained priest In church is allowed to touch the bread and wine..and to listen to ur confession? If only God can forgive
Why does church "father" have the right to forgive people on earth..why is it exclusive to church priests on earth?
Do u pray to Jesus's mother mary..do u pray for her intercession?
So if u do all this..u know what u shud be called..ryt?
@@joshuajames1998 Like I said I'm non Denomination, I defend the Catholics because I don't want the Churches of God fighting amongst themselves even if I don't agree with all of there practices.
There are bigger things we need to be focused on, especially now.
@@tenks360 yah der are bigger things like
Influence of Homosexuallity
Societal pressure to change gender
Abortion..
Sex out of wedlock
Failing marriages
Atheism
So u r ryt.. important stuffs are der..
But the above stuffs matter too
@@joshuajames1998 I'm legitimately curious, is your phrasing (der) from quick typing or are you mocking me?
And if you are mocking me are you in a position to be lecturing others about Christ?
@@tenks360 mocking u? Even if I wanted to mock u..what did u infer from "der"..?
I was indeed typing it quickly
If you can't save other's then save yourself..
What Bible he gets that from?
Amen Jesus Christ is king of kings
I slightly disagree...because when he said " salvation is perfection" i disagree onky jesus is perfect and lived life with no sin...how can us as humans be viewed " perfect " is we still sin❤🤨🤷♂️
We are not perfect and we all sin, but God slowly perfects us for heaven. We will no longer sin in heaven
Perfection can not be obtained in this flesh, that’s why scripture says while we were still sinners God saved us. Anyone who says they don’t sin is a liar. We should strive to obey Christ and follow Him daily but also realize that perfection won’t come until Christ returns. We are being sanctified daily but salvation is a one time event. The moment that we accept Jesus as our Lord…the moment we profess faith in His death, burial, and resurrection by the grace of God…we receive the indwelling of The Holy Spirit. Once saved, always saved. Nothing in all of creation can separate a believer from the love of God in Christ our Lord. If salvation could be lost, then we would all lose it. As we strive to become righteous or free from sin, and as we all fall short, true believers find themselves back at the foot of the cross where grace and mercy and the love of God are found abundantly in the perfect sacrifice of Christ our Lord. There is nothing we can do to obtain or maintain salvation, it’s a free gift from God by His grace alone through Christ alone and for His glory alone. So that we have nothing to boast about. The only contribution we make towards our salvation is the sin that makes it necessary. If you have faith in Jesus, praise God! It wasn’t by works or a free will that led anyone to saving faith, but by grace alone. Yes, I believe in the doctrines of grace or the five points of Calvinism. I believe in the five solas. I am a Protestant. I believe in reformed covenant theology. I believe in credo-baptism or believers baptism. I’m a member of a Presbyterian church (PCA). I believe in the Westminster confessions although because of my position on baptism, I probably line up better with the 1689 London Baptist confessional. If you disagree with my beliefs, that’s okay. I just hope and pray that you place all of your faith in Jesus Christ! If we add works to grace, then there is no longer grace. Anything good in or of us is the work of The Holy Spirit, including coming to faith in Christ. Apart from grace, we are all enemies with God. None of us chooses Him, not before He chooses us. When we see Him face to face, if He asks you “why should I let you enter Heaven?” What will you tell Him? Will you start listing all the good things you’ve done, all the right choices you made, will you say that you choose to have faith based on your own free will or logic apart from grace? Or will you simply say, “because Jesus took my punishment for sin, and I am redeemed.” When Jesus offered atonement for our sins on the cross, before He died He said “it is finished”. That’s the only reason God will let any of us enter His Kingdom, because of what Jesus did for us!!! Shalom
It is true, that God will chastise those who he loves, those that are sons and daughters by the blood of Jesus.
Though i think it's important to divide the question of salvation and sanctification.
Im not going to lie im not certain of everything i believe about God, but I have hope that God is still good even if I dont know everything about Him.
You’re stating the Protestant theology as if it is Catholic. So the Protestants say Catholics teach salvation through good works and Orthodox say Catholic teach salvation through mere forgiveness.🤔🙄
Catholic Youth and Adult formation director here. This is exactly what Catholicism teaches. While it is true that we need forgiveness for our sins, as attested to in Scripture and the saints, as well as even this video, that forgiveness is only a part of the healing our souls need. We are broken. We are wounded by sin, ours and others. We need to be healed of that wound of original sin, regenerated unto new life, and led into the ways of life. To say that we don’t teach exactly what is said here is demonstrably and factually incorrect. If done knowingly it’s also a lie, calumny.
Never heard about healing part being RC
One does not exclude the other my friend. How can there be perfection without forgiveness.
Still revolves around religion❤
"What good is it to be forgiven if you're still a sinner"
Yikes that's bad
Absolutely Yes 💯 Sir
I wasn’t raised in religion, and I am born again Christian. I have always wondered, if we accept Jesus as the sacrifice for our sins and guilt, why is it necessary to confess to a man instead of just confessing to our father in heaven? I don’t know any Catholics who really understand the traditions enough to give me an answer. And I actually want to know the answer. I’m not trying to offend anyone. It just doesn’t make sense to me. Maybe because Christianity’s main thing is having a personal relationship with God it just feels like there shouldn’t have to be a middle man. I would love if someone could reference scripture talking about this because I’m confused
Leviticus 5:5
Numbers 5:6-7
2 Samuel 12:13
Psalm 32:5
Psalm 38:18
Proverbs 28:13
Matthew 3:6
Matthew 16:19
Matthew 18:18
Mark 1:5
John 20:22-23
Acts 19:18
James 5:16
1 John 1:9
Hope this helps.
From ChatGPT
The practice of confession, particularly in the Christian tradition, has a long history that evolved over centuries. Here's a brief overview:
Early Christianity (1st-3rd Century): Initially, confession of sins was a public act. Early Christians confessed their sins openly before the community and received communal forgiveness. This was based on the belief in mutual accountability and communal support.
4th-6th Century: As Christianity became more institutionalized, the practice of public confession started to change. During this period, the concept of penance developed. St. Ambrose, St. Augustine, and other Church Fathers wrote extensively about sin, confession, and penance.
6th Century: Private confession began to take shape, especially in monastic communities. Irish monks played a significant role in promoting private confession. They introduced "penitential books," which provided a list of sins and corresponding penances.
Later Middle Ages (12th-13th Century): The Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 made annual confession to a priest mandatory for all Christians. This formalized the practice of private confession and established it as a sacrament in the Roman Catholic Church.
Council of Trent (1545-1563): The Council of Trent reaffirmed the importance of confession and the sacrament of penance in response to the Protestant Reformation, which had challenged many traditional Catholic practices, including confession.
Throughout history, the practice of confession has varied widely across different Christian denominations and has evolved to include both private and communal forms.
@@MARINE76911 I know about confessing sin but why not just speak to the Father? Why confess to man?
I was baptised in a Catholic Church with shaming and embarrassment, that is the only thing I've learnt.😂
Salvation is Him! If you do not seek Him you do not find salvation...no matter how " sinless" you think you are becomeing... Only He can make sin less, only He can make you understand, ALL.BY.HE'S. WILL...only by His love and from your love of Him you will will take the right steps...but you can't have a relationship with someone if you don't even try to know them.
If that was me I would say, “well they’re both absolutely historically verifiably and biblically heresy. But if you REALLY want to know the difference. One of them says they’re the true church and has a pope. And the other tells the same lie and doesn’t have a pope”
The Cross of Salvation. The blood of Christ Jesus for the remission of sin.
The Holy Spirit looking like 😮💨
Christ Jesus preached Devotion.
Aaaaand this is why I'm Reform, because those are not and either/or, but a both. Jesus Christ payed for our sins on the cross so we can be forgiven, _AND_ the Holy Spirit renews us from with in by implanting us with new desires that is pleasing to God. Forgiveness _and_ healing.
One word, indulgences.
Bro to say that it’s problematic to paint salvation as being about forgiveness is very problematic… and very unbiblical
Salvation is about jesus, having faith in Jesus means following his teachings.
Matthew 7:21-23
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but this isn't exclusive to Orthodox Christianity. Protestantism and Catholicism both have this idea. It may be expressed differently but the idea is the same.
But a human will ever be at some point a sinner. Only in the return of Jesus or in the first death we will be perfectly heald.
Not to mention purgatory
This is also the Catholic view
The only difference is following Christ’s Vicar
One thing I've noticed with the works based groups is that they are very, very careful to call what they are doing anything but what it actually is in practice.
Does he think the Catholic Church doesn’t have sacraments, the same church fathers, and healing?
Who told the Orthodox that the catholicism doesnt involve teaching? Matter of effect, the Cath. Church created the educational system. Even at Theological levels we have to understand as Catholics how the spiritual mechanism and the Sinm of the flesh works
You will never be perfect. You will never not be a sinner. What good is Jesus if you can work yourself into Heaven? The Bible itself teaches salvation by grace through faith in Jesus. It also literally teaches that works will not save you, nor can any human offer you salvation.
Wait a minute I'm confused and I think that I'm missing smth,He said salvation is perfection well what did Jesus do then