What Should Christian Worship Look Like?
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My first time attending divine liturgy during lent was so powerful. The beauty brought me to tears and confirmed everything that had brought me to the church.
Amen
Congratulations! I am on the same boat as I have been looking into Orthodox Church recently. Have you heard of Father Mar Mari?
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Mar Mari is not Orthodox, he is a Schismatic Nestorian.
As many good things as he says, he is not a legitimate Hierarch.
Please find a Canonical Parish and a Spiritual Father.
Wait, you mean grabbing a coffee and a donut and being treated to a rock concert, light show and a sermon given by a dude wearing jeans and an earring telling me I’m going to heaven isn’t how it’s supposed to be?
I’m a catechumen. Went to my parents Baptist church for Mother’s Day.. yeah this is exactly the difference. There is no worship in their church. There is praise and teaching, but no worship. So different
Former evangelical here (and former worship leader on staff at a non-Denominational church). Now a catechumen in the Church. What a great point about the direction that the priest faces. I know that’s not the first time that I’ve heard about that or thought about that, but I guess the depth in which that was explored in this talk stood out to me. Thanks!
I hope all you Protestants of various stripes will take this talk to heart. There’s a lot that is simply irrefutable historically and Biblically, and if your heart is open, I believe the points he made about our preferences being a driving factor in how modern “worship” is done will convict your heart. Let alone the points about a lack of asceticism and sacrifice in worship as well as everyday life.
So thankful that the Lord opened my eyes and is bringing many others out of heterodoxy and into the true faith. Lord have mercy on us all.
God bless you on your journey into Holy Orthodoxy. Glory to God!
Protestant here, and I definitely took it to heart. He’s got a gift for speaking in a way that isn’t confrontational, and it kept me quite open-minded to his message. He’s right. My Christianity has always been about the Holy Spirit, Christ, the word of God, and that direct connection. Everything I’ve always seen in the evangelical Church has freaked me out, grossed me out, and confused me. I’ve been completely unable to reconcile how these people even have the same faith that I do, given the way that they act and think. Especially politically. I finally feel some validation in all this, and don’t feel so alone.
God bless Father Zechariah☦️
Please pray for me I want to become an orthodox Christian but I’m really struggling 😭 I keep sinning and keep getting distracted but I love God and want to serve him and become orthodox soon 😭💓
I’ve had a similar problem. But remember that the Church is a hospital for the sick not a gathering of the pure
We all keep sinning and getting distracted. It's what we do. The Orthodox Church is there to help with that... even though we continue to sin and be distracted. We are all sinners.
Always knew that the Orthodox Church is a come as you are church. But it's not a stay a you are church. This is the time for you to come.
Prayers for you. There is more strength battling sin inside the Church than outside it. God's grace helps us sinners through the holy sacraments. Lord have mercy!
Brother or sister, orthodoxy is the path not the destination. ❤️ If you are touched by Orthodoxy, do come home. Praying for you.
To everyone struggling don’t worry if you don’t understand or feel it in your heart. Your previous way of life is disturbing your present. Keep pushing and God will arrange everything. God loves laborers. God bless!
Glory to The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit
O Lord Jesus Christ, Son Of God, Have Mercy On Me, A Sinner ☦️
Thank you father.❤ We are following you, and fr. Josiah T, and fr. Petre H., and dr Jeanie C., etc, from Romania. We are so happy to see the work of God in the whole world. God bless you dear father, and dear brothers and sisters in Christ.
I was raised a baptist, IE mega churches etc. I am becoming Orthodox and the Divine Liturgy is the one time my entire life I felt I was participating in worship. That isn't to take away from the "praise" in protestant churches. It's entertaining and I do enjoy occasionally going to their concerts.
Συγκρητιζμος.
I feel the same, I'm not getting enough from my church. It is only an hour we go every Sunday but yet I watch all these orthodox churches and they praise God for 3 to 4hrs in 3 to 4 days in a row. My church has a band where the pastor drums, they play guitar there's organ, piano and singing. I am not saying it's bad but I feel praising God is more important.
Glory to God. Thank you Father. Christ is Risen! Indeed He is Risen!
This is my favorite channel on RUclips right now. I’m a Protestant, but I’ve learned and been blessed by so many of these videos. Thank you for your work and interviewing such great priests!
You passion makes me want to attend an Orthodox Christian Church.
Hey hey from Folsom CA! We go to Saint Anna’s in Roseville CA
Hey, I go to St Anna's in Utah! I believe we just hosted your priest a few weeks back!
Raised an Evangelical minister's daughter, your message and divine leaning of understanding in regard to worship, - I'm grateful for finding. That last statement was incredibly powerful, wow. I yearn for bare bones real connection with Christ not only in my life, but worship. In this journey, even though it is pure spirituality - attending church - wise, I've turned to Catholicism over Protestantism. The Evangelical church is all so very pretentious and self-serving in many ways, I agree with these points. I think when the "Jesus rock " and movement started in the 1970's, they were trying to speak to the youth and draw them away from the destructive lifestyle and culture at that time, so it was with good intention - but it stuck, morphed into this ridiculousness. Can anyone guide me to the type of Orthodox church I should be seeking? Not sure where to start church-wise. In the St. Augustine, FL area.
Greek Orthodox Church or Russian orthodox will suffice. Google maps will work wonders! I’m in Melbourne Australia so no idea what’s there. I have been an orthodox Christian (from Islam) for 9 years now!! Glad you’re seeking the Orthodox Church. The only preserved church.
When I became interested in orthodoxy, I just did an online search and studied as much as I could before attending a liturgy. It was a bit intimidating at first going by myself and the service was overwhelming in a very beautiful way.
Some of the canonical Orthodox options are Russian (ROCOR), Antiochian, Orthodox Church of America, Greek… St Augustine has a beautiful little Orthodox shrine in the old part of town
Thank you so much. I was left speechless and I know this is truth.
Great sermon Father.
What an amazing man and an amazing humbling message. Thank you.
Just went to like the video half way in only to realize I liked it after like the first minute. 😂 God bless you and grant you many years Fr!
Exactly what I have always thought. The Church is not Woodstock, guns, and circus acts.
All Glory to Christ
Cristo Resucitó
Verdaderamente resucitó ☦️🙏🏻
This man is putting words to what I have been feeling and sensing in my prayers for some time now. 🙏🏽
God bless you Father and God bless you Roots of Orthodoxy!
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As a Protestant, I really appreciated this. Fr Zechariah is describing the Regulative Principle of worship.
Christ is Risen! XB! Thank you Fr. Zechariah for your wisdom, grace & love for Christ. God bless you and your family ☦☦☦
I have seen other churches offer “traditional worship” at 9 AM and “modern worship“ at 11 AM.
The best one was when I was in London a few years ago, and they were offering in the church of England “jazz vespers“. I thought that was really interesting.
Sounds like the COE, coming up with new ways to make a mockery of the faith at every turn.
The Church of England is an absolute joke! I went to one of their schools as a child and thats what a thought christianity was. Thankfully i have found true Christianity. Glory to God!
My takeaways from this, shhhhh, quiet time, listen...for the voice of God. All facing the east together including Priest to bring attention to God's worship and away from ourselves. Not here to be entertained. Teaching isn't worship. But teaching has a place. Our minds are fragmented so we're here to bring back unity of the mind. How is it that the original christians worshiped. Christian worship is the point. And a big boy howdy to the fact that it is the ego that is in my words the antithesis of true worship, of being closer to God in our heart of hearts. Ego being the I n the greek alphabet. Me, me, me world we live in is the opposite. Wow something to strive for here for sure.
Beautifully explained!
Knowing God has no need of my worship, I am so grateful for the Orthodox church for preserving true biblical worship as the worship I need. Rather than praise presented as worship, warped by wants, preferences, contemporary culture, etc.
Really impressed by the people you are interviewing. So dear and measured in what they say, they make a good case for Eastern Orthodoxy being the one true church. Thank you.
❤✝ CHRIST IS RISEN ✝❤
❤💪🙏✝ GOD BE WITH US AGAINST EVIL AND TEMPTATIONS ✝🙏🕊✌
Indeed he has risen☦️
Please do a series on Western Rite Orthodoxy. The conversion of trad Catholics is the great missionary work of our time. The energy of groups like the SSPX is incredible. Just look at the massive church they built in St. Marys, Kansas. These people are organized, determined, and fruitful. They would be a tremendous asset for spreading Orthodoxy in the West. Imagine if we converted all the TLM Catholics to Western Rite Orthodoxy. We're talking about the crème de la crème of Western Christianity. The fact that trad Catholics have remained faithful to their tradition in spite of the Francis pontificate means they have innate immunity to modernism. The crises of post-Vatican II Catholicism has worked to sort & concentrate hardcore Catholics into just a couple of traditional orders like the SSPX, FSSP, ICKSP, etc. These groups are ripe for mass conversion to Orthodoxy.
My journey into holy Orthodoxy - began in an outstanding Western Rite parish in Beatlton, Virginia - Saint Patrick Orthodox Church. The parish is loving - and I do feel that Father Patrick Cardine would be an outstanding person to interview. @RootsOfOrthodoxy.
Excellent! Words of a wise man. God bless you.
So pleased with this. Thank you for helping us.
Father Zechariah God bless you! I am blessed to live in a country with lots of monasteries and holy places but it makes me so joyful to hear the word of Truth spreading in the states. It’s more needed than the air over there.
God bless you and Ortodoxy happy day off Saint Nicholas I wish you a good health and lots of Happiness in your life ❤
The Lord’s blessings upon you, father, for sharing these truths. As a Greek Orthodox I am so inspired by the blossoming of American Orthodoxy through God’s Grace. But not just inspired, I remain united in prayer and the ears of my soul open. You are a blessing to us. God bless America!
Χριστός Ανέστη αδερφέ.Ξερεις μήπως τον Νικόλαο Κατουνακιώτη από το Καζακστάν;
Wow, stumbled on this word. Thank you thank you thank you. You spoke what I feel and what I am searching for. Beautifully spoken. Thank you.
Thank you for this, Father.
Superbly expressed!
Thank you Father. Please pray for us
Thank you for noticing how the protestants then Roman Catholics turned their backs to God instead of facing Him, making church more of an entertainment and human focus than a focus on God...one of the MANY basic problems that have been destroy those heterodoxies.
Thank you Father.
Thanks!
Thank you! God bless
Glory to God ☦️
CHRIST IS RISEN ☦️☦️☦️
As a non-Christian/Abrahamist I have nothing but respect for this message. God is living in us all and hope for humanity to receive God’s love.
That last line about setting up golden calves instead of waiting for Moses & true revelation...wow.
I have attended Protestant churches for most of my life, and even in the most conservative ones, some of the pastors and staff shared how much of a struggle it was to keep the sense of worship focused rather than appealing to pop culture trends.
Refreshing to see. As a protestant I've felt worship is just another word for blasting music and not much else
TOMORROW’S FEARS - Lili
Tomorrow when you wake again and find the world’s still here
With all the zest of yesterday to sadden or to cheer
There was no massive holocaust, no dead raised from the ground
His promise to float you up, journey to your trials
Will have to wait another day, trepidation all unfound.
And when this happens every day throughout the years to come
Will your faith grow stronger or will the doubts creep in?
No planning for the future here or there, your life embroiled in sin
For if he only takes the perfect, whose life on Earth was pure
What of the human aspect, into the fire succumb.
The holy ones judge each other, before the judgment day
From the pulpit condemn, decry, their fellow travelers as impure
The Judges of the Judges before the Earth implodes
And everyone made to account, the strongest voice not sure
A life of prayer gone all to waste, as confidence corrodes.
Why worry of a future bleak, why think of future fears
For if you try to change your fate, the world goes on unheeded
There’ll be no Tribulation, Man’s destruction his own doing
No God above, no day in Court, no casting out, all regrets unneeded
Why worry of the rantings of those who think they know
Of Spirits of the Underworld, pain and bliss, imaginations flow.
Just take what comes, tell your God of hate
Your life is not for him, your only life is yours
So be it if you shun control, he won’t control your fate
Your life on Earth is not to live with fear and shame and guilt
The guilt is his, he made the snake, he cannot now berate
Berate us for being human, Why then the potters hand did shake?
CHRIST is risen ❤
I’ll tell you what it looks like. It’s silent. The only sound is the tears from the face of a sinner saved by grace. And you’ll be on your knees like in the mass asking God to have mercy on you.
AsI have grown older and matured in Christ I have come to the opinion that what you see what is called worship in most Western churches is anything but. I believe what you see in Elevation, Hillsong, most large churches is not worship, entertainment, yes, worship, no. But it dies not draw the majority of the congegation into singing to the Lord. Most folks in fact are barely moving their lips
May your days be long, Father.
Amen Jesus lord
The conference was in Springfield, MO where I live. It was a scandalous event for the community. 😅
Amen Jesus ❤
I always had a hard time explaining this to people. I thank God I found a profound answer. I have always been taught that Music in general influences fame, lust and pride for the artists and this is why we should acknowledge it as a temptation and weakness. On another note the popularity of musical lyrics that portray Satan closer to the opposite to our literary and therefore is Satanic. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I enjoyed how delicately Farther said this.
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I’m a Protestant. And this message is wonderful. I adore the reverence and authenticity of Orthodoxy. I sometimes feel completely alone in my faith because I see so many in the Protestant church who have zero clue about my perception of salvation and walking with Christ. This video gave me insight into the selfish and self-focused nature of Evangelicalism and it really explains a LOT about why these people act the way they do. It’s become a faith of “self” and not of humble reverence. It also explains a lot of the harsh political viewpoints and behaviors that don’t reflect the Holy Spirit in these people’s lives. To be frank, Protestantism is my home. But most of the Christian Nationalists that propagate it these days have made me disgusted and alone. It’s good to know that Orthodoxy exists. If evangelicals don’t stop supporting corrupt politicians, denying science, and screaming like angry lunatics about their freedom, I will leave the church entirely and seek out something more focused on Christ.
Walk into a local EO parish and give it a try. Simple.
Father, I’d just like to say thank you. Genuinely I’d just like to thank you for your work and for what you put out. I am dealing with some issues right now and I’d love to hear your thoughts on it
I am a cradle Protestant (Conservative Pentecostal). Have been a Protestant my whole life and never considered any other church until a really good friend of mine invited me to his Orthodox Church very shortly after his conversion. I accepted. I told my mom about this and she told me I need to research a little bit of the EO church so I don’t go in blind. That research has shown me that I want to be an EO Christian, I have accidentally found the true church and have a longing for it that is so strong, it makes me cry sometimes. I love the church with such intensity, that I cannot express it in words
My mother saw this longing in me and realized what had happened in my heart. She believes that I am being deceived by the devil and that I can’t even talk to a priest in person about certain questions I had. Needless to say, I have not visited a parish despite agreeing to last December due to my mothers disapproval
I am 18, I live with my parents, I am working on getting my license. My father does not know about my desire. My mother does not want me to go to a parish and calls my friend who invited me to the church a temptation from the devil. She doesn’t even want me to continue my research into EO anymore. I do not know what my father will think if I one day tell him that I’m going to the local parish. I do not want to worry but I can’t help but do so. I have told God that I’m willing to follow His call even if it means doing something my parents are against because God is my Heavenly Father and His will for me is more perfect than my biological parents will
Any advice for me is much needed. I don’t know what to do in such situations, I don’t know how. Maybe it all just needs to be done naturally, go with the flow as they say. Is it wrong that I desire something my parents don’t want for me? This is the first time I’m trying to reach out for support and advice from a priest, but anyone else is also welcome to help me understand what could be done in the situation. My parents are very loving, but my mom thinks that EO is a cult and I don’t know what my father thinks of it
I’d also like to add that more and more I realize that God wants me in the EO parish. I asked Him recently what worship was, and suddenly all these different videos talking about worship and how it’s not just singing like in the Protestant sense started coming up. I had questions that were going long unanswered, but when I continued to pray about them, either Catholic or Orthodox apologists would pop up on my YT feed and answer them. Protestantism, in my opinion, is clearly not giving me the answers I need and I keep finding truths in the two older churches, even if one of them is Catholicism (I do like their videos on topics like icon veneration and things like that)
@@stallelio376 God works in his own time. Patience is needed.
At 18, you are of legal age to do whatever you want, but it may just be the right thing to wait, study, pray, and wait for God to provide the path for you to do what he wants for you.
Your mother told you to research a bit of Orthodoxy before going. You did as she told you, and maybe it would be good for your mother to do the same, from Orthodox sources and not from those that are not Orthodox.
God works his way, not our way. Simply pray and wait for God. You will be guided.
@@ArchangelIcon thank you, I did study orthodoxy for a time, roughly 4 months, but now my mother asked me to stop my research and told me that while I’m under her roof, I can’t do whatever I want to but rather have to respect her authority. And I understand that, it’s just hard for me because I’ve really fallen in love with the church and want to dive into her teachings. I know that someday I will be able to attend a Divine Liturgy and bask in the beauty of Christs bride, I can’t wait for that moment. But I guess that also is my downfall, is a lack of patience
I’ll keep praying about it, thank you for your advice, please pray for me. I’m in need of it currently. And please pray for my mom as well. She claims to have studied EO and looked into it, but it’s hard to believe that she did so seriously when she also claims that the chants originated from witchcraft, and that correct and fuller theology is a temptation from the devil, and all sorts of weird ideas like how we shouldn’t strive for a saintly life or how we shouldn’t struggle as Christians etc etc...
I can’t have a decent conversation with her about serious topics like these because she has a certain mindset that’s hard to change. She makes assumptions and assertions without anything to back them up and doesn’t want to listen to what I have to say. Apart from that I have a wonderful relationship with her and love her deeply, I just can’t have conversations about anything she passionately disagrees with. And so it’s a tough spot, but I know it’s going to be okay in the end. May Gods will be done, peace be with you
Love is God,and God is love.Pray for your family and pray to God to take over your life.There will be temptations from all sides of your life,and it is a normal thing for christian.Pray in secret: Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me. When you don't have hope any more, Christ will come to you.That is the moment in life we all seek for.Love you son and pray for you....MFS
@@jojanajojanovic678 I agree with the sentiment of your message, just think it should be pointed out that love is not God. God is most certainly love, but to switch these around can lead to all sorts of wickedness and evil which is an abomination to the true God (like fornication and sexual immorality etc).
Almighty God, You are a living God whose testimony is reliable. As such, You teach us that You are a Father who wants to be reconciled with Man, through His eternal Son, Jesus Christ, by means of faith in Him, inspired by Your Holy Spirit. May the assurance of our faith always rest on the Trinitarian nature of your being and salvation, so that, firmly anchored in you, we may attain the eternal life you have promised since the dawn of time. We humbly ask this of You, through the same Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with the Father and the Holy Spirit, one God, for ever and ever. Amen
"Self-help with Jesus" 👏
i like this faith but man i feel like i’m too slow to follow it, im trying to learn but i might be too slow 😭😭
What about "making a joyful noise unto the Lord?" Or how David worshipped?
Our choirs are not perfect, lol. There’s your joyful noise! David’s worship was described in the Scriptures, not prescribed as a “how to worship” text. Peace. ❤️☦️
I was raised Southern Baptist in the 60’s. Sermons were: greeting, prayer, announcements, prayer, hymns, prayer, offering, sermon, prayer, altar call, dismissal.
I never really knew what “worship” is until I visited an Orthodox Church recently. It’s so different and definitely worship rather than teaching or entertainment. Focused on God and not on me.
To say, “I don’t really know what “worship ship is”, would be accurate.
That is probably why Protestants think the Orthodox worship the Holy Mother Mary and the Saints.
They don’t know the difference between worship and veneration and teaching and singing hymns.
I’m lost and in-between now and don’t know when to say “us” or “them”.
I have visited the Antiochian Orthodox Church 3 times They don’t speak much English but I can read the projection during the Services, though, and many hours in YT and Patristic Nectar. I will have to speak with the Priest soon about this.
The closest Orthodox Church to us is 2 hours away. 😭 We don’t know what to do. We want to know more, to attend, to learn. But how? (besides watching on RUclips.) We want to be involved.
I guess you could contact a priest in that closest Orthodox church (as long as it's not Coptic one) and ask what to do. I bet you are not the only ones with this struggle, and therefore the priest probably knows how to help you - if nothing else, he likely would recommend some good books to read... But I know some people who are seriously driving for 1-2 hours in order to go to church and attend the divine liturgy once in a month (and that driving time they spend in prayer). If you are able to sacrifice your time and money for travelling, I don't see why you couldn't visit the church closest to you once in a while.
Consider moving.
Would be possible to speak Fr. Zechariah please?
AlMasih Qam
Haqan qam☦️❤️💪🏼
If Fr. Zechariah had this talk with Martin Luther or Thomas Cramner, I wonder how much their Faith Model would have changed. I feel that would have changed a lot! Christ Is Risen!
Luther didn't leave his church. They threw him out.
Can a Christian worship God outside of church/ divine liturgy? Thanks!
How do I study with you?
Very well expressed....but look, the Good Shepherd rounds us up and brings us home into His pen(the Church)...why should we feel the need to apologise to those who are still wandering in the wilderness, either accidently or willfully?
If anyone truly yearns to worship Christ, they will come to realise where He is and where He isn't. 🙏☦️♥️
There isnt an Orthodox church where i live, sadly
Ive run into an issue. I love the liturgy but i dont like many of the lay people that surround me during liturgy. So i find ill show up for orthos but leave shortly after liturgy starts... any advice on dealing with my dislike of lay people around me??
When a sick man walks into a hospital, does he care about the sickness of the other patients and grumbles about their presence at the hospital, or he cares about his own illness and thinks about as to how to get fixed his own problem only.?
@@johnnyd2383 so just try to focus on the prayers and ignore those around me?
@@abrahamkassis3138 Message is - mind your own spiritual sickness brother. We are all spiritual patients and in need of cure. Focus on prayers and services. Cheers.!
@@abrahamkassis3138yes
The Saints are there too…in the icons. Focus on them.
This guy is awesome. And I seen the conference he's talking about, that didn't appear to be Christ like at all. And I'm glad the guy spoke out, he took a lot of heat for it, but Christ would have spoken out against it also I'm certain. Protestants have lost their way for sure. Ex southern Baptist here and I became atheist because the Protestant church
Some people are seriously missing the point that David invented new instruments for worship according to Amos, and the context means that this is a pleasing thing to the Lord WHEN your heart is in it. He played the Lyre to drive out the spirit from Saul, and the demon fled because his music was worship. Psalms says to “praise God with cymbals; praise God with clanging cymbals.” Even the passage he quotes in Revelation 4 actually has instruments. It never says they don’t use the harps that it says they specifically have! Worship is from the heart, and when I bow down or lift my hands it is because I am overcome with the truth of the words of our songs. I cry tears of joy routinely at Christian music, whether it be hiphop (i.e. J. monty’s song Augustus Gloop which has one line that always makes me so grateful) or rock (Oly’s song Vapor or Fraction’s song Dawning Light) or hymns (We Praise Thee). To praise God with instruments is biblical, and it is good, and I love hymns and chants! I want to attend a divine liturgy, as I have been researching Eastern Orthodoxy for months now (although the second council of Nicaea leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth), and I listen to EO hymns often in worship; but this protestant slander must end just as equally as protestants must stop being so rude to Eastern Orthodox Christians. My church has worship that kinda sounds terrible, but it makes me love Christ all the more to see people giving their all with their instruments and vocals. Christ is present within his church and humility is the key to understanding that, “he who is not against us is for us.”
I do agree that worship shouldn’t be at the front facing me, though.
There is a difference in enjoying time lifting up your voice, shouting, singing a new song, and playing any instrument listed in the Bible, versus the moments that we are just in worship together, which must be OF ONE ACCORD, as stated in the book of Acts, especially.
To your point on cymbals, several times during divine liturgy, large bells are struck with a hammer.
You make very good points in your post. All music should in it's own way be praise to God. We praise God when we gather together in a home and sing Christmas carols. We praise God in all we do (or we should be), and as Paul says "pray constantly".
This video, however, is not talking about praise. It is about worship.
@@intherightlight Well not all Divine Liturgies, but there are bells on the censer.
I agree with stopping the bashing.
Regarding music, the problem is that Protestant denominations didn't develop a music style which helps them worship properly. If you check Orthodox Church or Catholic Church (more traditional ones) you can notice that there are some specific styles for worship. It is a melody developed by the Church which helps you getting closer to God.
As much as is appreciated the efforts of Protestants to worship God properly, they don't have the tools for it. Even a great song may not be appropriate for worshipping because it may touch you more on an emotional level and not on a spiritual level.
I find myself in the middle of this I don’t agree but I don’t completely disagree
I never liked to participate in Protestant worship. To the point the priest mocked people who did not dance or raise their hands with the church when it was time to sing. I just never felt it and maybe this is the reason why.
I questioned wether I was a bad Christian because I didn’t want to “act out” or have that spontaneous moment of feeling the Holy Spirit and scream out during the singing. I thought maybe I’m just not a good worshipper. And Maybe I can worship him better by just reading the Bible. Maybe I’ve never really worship God properly in the first place.
Seek orthodoxy my friend, it provides the right context to everything and all will fall into place. Find a spiritual father who can guide you through it, and get an orthodox study bible.
WE'RE HIS SHEEP 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑
WORSHIP, RELATIONSHIP NOT WHAT WE DO
David worshipped jumping and dancing almost nude. I guess the "man after His own heart" was sinning. Thankfully, I don't judge how a person worships. One may worship in peace and quiet, another worships singing and dancing. The individual gets to decide how they choose to worship when lead by the Spirit. Besides, if I'm there looking at what others are doing, I should ask myself, why am I even here? Is it to worship God or look at others and determine if they are "truly worshipping" God according to my standards.
Oldest known Holy Liturgies were written by St. Mark and St. James. Are you saying they did not know as to how worship God.? Or perhaps, your majesty knows better.?
@johnnyd2383 Thanks for your non sequitur
Psalms 150 doesn’t sound so restricting and more human a natural praise
Why Sunday and not Sabbath Day, the Seventh-day of the week? Rev.14:6-7
Move on, get over it!
(Acts 20, 7) "Now ON THE FIRST DAY of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread..."
(1 Cor 16, 2) "ON THE FIRST DAY of the week let each one of you lay something aside..."
Pardon, Fr but 'sacralizing' the posture of the priest turning his back on the congregation in worship, seems rather like 'sacralizing' archaic Latin in the traditionalist Roman Catholic congregations and seminaries. It is possible, and does happen, with Protestants that facing the congregation can be 'sacred' worship. Fr apparently has never attended worship in many working class Black congregations calling for and turning in repentance and reconciliation, and/or marching out into the community singing praises to God to confront racism by stirring up faith. Jesus would certainly approve this as 'worship'.
No idea
I thought the orthodox church held to Mary remained a virgin her whole life but he said James was Jesus's brother, so which is it?
At the 5:10 mark
What you have stated is correct. James the brother of Jesus is how the scriptures speaks of James…. Verify this … but I do believe that was a common way of describing cousins. I think James’ mother is Elisabeth. Again, I would recommend verifying this assertion. Trust you are well - lovingly, Cuthbert.
@realmccoy124 It's just interesting that there are many Mary's but we can't have Mary have other children, especially if they have the same names as others. Luke was clear that he knew the difference between a relative and a sibling. He said Elizabeth was Mary's relative and the brothers of Jesus were His brothers.
In Matthew 13 and Mark 6 Jesus validated the reason for His neighbors disbelief. They were around as Jesus and His brothers and sisters grew up. They couldn't see a Savior but the neighbor kid now grown. He said that a prophet isn't without honor except for in his own house and hometown.
I tried to find a tradition about Mary by the Apostles but couldn't find any. Matthew mentioned her name but told us Joseph was the hero of the virgin story. He never taught about Mary what many believe.
The Apostle John, caretaker of Mary after the cross never saw anything special about her to write about, he never mentioned her name
Paul wrote almost half of the New Testament and never mentioned her name
Peter ignored her existence in his writings, not a single Hail Mary.
I am unable to find where an Apostle told us what the Catholic Church and some others believe, that Mary was the mother of God, the new ark, or the queen of heaven. That we are to seek her, pray to her. That she never sinned and was a co-redeemer with Jesus.
Colossians 2:8 see to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ
@@glennherron9499that's easy, it's because you believe in Sola Scriptura and think everything about Christianity is limited to the Bible. Even the Bible will tell you that not everything was written down in the scriptures. The Bible will even tell you not everything Jesus did was written down and to hold fast to the traditions and teachings of the Apostles they gave verbally which is maintained in church tradition. The Bible doesn't even tell you what books belong in it, the Orthodox Catholic Church decided that.
You are committing an argument from silence fallacy.
@MaybeJohn7 Interesting, so tell me, did the Apostles teach one thing orally and another thing in their letters? Would the letters they wrote contradict what they spoke to the churches? Is God a god of confusion?
Paul said in Galatians 1:8 though we, or an angel from heaven, preach unto you a gospel different than the gospel we have preached unto you, let him be accursed
2 Peter 3:2 that you should remember the words spoken beforehand by the Holy prophets and the commandments of the Lord and Savior spoken by your Apostles
Time and time again we are told to hold to the teachings of the Apostles, correct?
Tell me, which Apostle said Mary was the mother of God, the new ark, the queen of heaven? That she remained a Virgin her whole life, that we should seek her, pray to her? That she was sinless and is a co-redeemer with Jesus?
Colossians 2:8 see to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ
The Catholic church uses a handful of verses and mixes them with teachings that came hundreds of years later, and in doing so, created a new gospel, one of men.
@@glennherron9499 “did the Apostles teach one thing orally and another thing in their letters? Would the letters they wrote contradict what they spoke to the churches? Is God a god of confusion?”
No, I don’t believe so. Why do you presuppose there’s a contradiction and confusion? I don’t believe there is any. Yes, we are told to hold to their teachings:
2 Thessalonians 2:15 “So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.”
“Tell me, which Apostle said Mary was the mother of God, the new ark, the queen of heaven? That she remained a Virgin her whole life, that we should seek her, pray to her? That she was sinless and is a co-redeemer with Jesus?”
We don’t believe that Mary saves us; Christ saves us. But she does intercede for us in prayer. Everything we believe about Mary and even the Saints points to Jesus Christ. The very Gospels themselves make these comparisons, along with Church history and tradition. The Church lived and experienced these things firsthand. The Orthodox Catholic Church, and Rome before the Great Schism, make up the early Church. The early Church didn’t disappear into obscurity; we are still here. Even if you don’t agree with us, it doesn’t change this fact.
You shared a lot of irrelevant verses from the Bible. If you are trying to say we made up a new gospel different from the scriptures, I adamantly disagree. I would like to point out that the Reformation, which happened in the 16th century, ushered in new interpretations and presuppositions, actually doing the very thing you accuse us of. You will not find Protestant theology in the “early Church” or the writings of the Church Fathers. I would say they are in confusion, and they made a new gospel.
Worship is also dancing like David danced
Oldest known Holy Liturgies were written by St. Mark and St. James. Are you saying they did not know as to how worship God.? Or perhaps, your majesty knows better.?
Great way to end this
Inspired by king David dancing and praising
We can tell you what Worship is Not. Reading "At" God the things He inspired other peoples Hearts to write for Him, and having Nothing to Offer from your Own Heart.
True worship is obedience. John 14:15. It is specific to the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - to the Judges and the Kings and the prophets and to God who is the Father and Jesus Christ, who is the son. Worship, in this age, is not ambiguous to some fanciful "god of love", or some unknown force of the spirit world. It is specific the the God of the Holy Bible, through Jesus Christ the savior of mankind, the lamb of our sacrifice. All of the 'rock band concert "worship", is a strange element of our modern times. Singing and dancing as worship would be (in my opinion) an outpouring of joy for the Lord our God and would not occur at a scheduled date and time, but would come from within. It would be like I burst out in song in the middle of the work day because I cannot hold back my praise for God. It would not be, "as part of our worship service we will sing songs at precisely 9:30am." - To me ancient customs are not nearly as important as following the will of God. Why boast on ancient tradition?
I guess since jc preached outdoors atop a hill with no frills and dressed humbly I guess you don't actually need any church 🤷
While the Divine liturgy has its roots in the Old and New Testaments, it has been changed over the centuries.
You are correct. It has changed. But, it hasn’t drastically changed. In my Protestant Seminary my professor of Global Christian History stated of Holy Orthodoxy - “of all Christian expressions, the one that has changed the absolute least has been the Eastern Orthodox… and pretty much - this is how Christian’s have worshipped for greater than 1500 years.” I haven’t sat down and tried to figure out what has changed and when … but I do know that one of the Church Councils around the 7th Century or so - corrected Roman Church for her earliest innovations - strict fast Saturdays, a Celibate Priesthood, and for the papacy trying to centralize how the Church governs herself beneath the bishop of Rome’s totalitarian authority… oh, for portraying Christ God as a literal lamb in her iconography. Trust you are well. Lovingly, Cuthbert.
Using protestant worship to orthodox worship by comparing it to what was shown to moses on Mt Sinai vs the golden calf worship is dangerous and simply wrong
Why is it wrong in your opinion?
@MrOlu109 God wants heartfelt worship. This focuses to much on externals. It's all pride
@MrOlu109 the church is nothing without the gospel and the gospel is nothing without the church to preach, practice and escribe worship. Christ came down from heaven to preach the gospel and the gospel is what the apostles were teaching. As for us orthodox Christians, they're not gonna convince prots to be orthodox by gloating on how much better we are or how wrong prots are. That's demonic. It requires the fruits of the spirit. We need to work with people where they are rather than bash them for how out of touch or nonsensical they are. We do this for God not for us
@@liljimmy4940 I'm not sure what you're saying necessarily disagrees with anything that was said in the video. God wants heartfelt worship, which again I would think the Orthodox priest would agree with you. The question being addressed here though is "what is worship?"
All that is said in the video is that the object of worship has slowly shifted in Protestantism from being focused on God to being about focused on the congregation and their entertainment. There was no gloating/boasting in the video, it was simply pointing out the differences and why they matter. There are most definitely right and wrong ways to worship, and if wrong worship practices are being carried out, these should be called out.
evidently not one christian is getting it right since you all can't do what your god promises.
Sounds like you got it all figured out yourself - evidently. Pray for us sinners.
Not true.
I cry tears of joy singing Hillsong Untied style worship every day.
What good works are you doing? None
But you’re complaining about worshiop?
What injustices are you standing up to? None
But you’re complaining about worship music.
If you don’t do good and you complain about worship, do you really know your left from your right?
You missed the point brother
@@10deximo41 If you’re not doing good works, then aren’t you a lukewarm Christian?
Someone who honors God with their lips but their hearts are far from Him?
Jesus: Do you love me Peter? Then tend and love my sheep.
@@move_i_got_this5659 Seems more like his point is that contemporary Christians who throw rock concerts in church and put guns on the cross and have mens conventions with giant images of motorcycles all end up distracting believers away from christ and are attempting to conform christianity to their personal interests
Watch it again, you've missed the point completely
You missed the point
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Former evangelical here (and former worship leader on staff at a non-Denominational church). Now a catechumen in the Church. What a great point about the direction that the priest faces. I know that’s not the first time that I’ve heard about that or thought about that, but I guess the depth in which that was explored in this talk stood out to me. Thanks!
I hope all you Protestants of various stripes will take this talk to heart. There’s a lot that is simply irrefutable historically and Biblically, and if your heart is open, I believe the points he made about our preferences being a driving factor in how modern “worship” is done will convict your heart. Let alone the points about a lack of asceticism and sacrifice in worship as well as everyday life.
So thankful that the Lord opened my eyes and is bringing many others out of heterodoxy and into the true faith. Lord have mercy on us all.