Why I Chose Orthodox Christianity Over Roman Catholicism - Fr. Paul Truebenbach
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- Fr. Paul Truebenbach is the Pastor of Sts. Peter & Paul Orthodox Church in Salt Lake City, Utah.
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I love how literally everything in Orthodoxy has a clear reason and purpose.
lol no not even.
That’s a natural result when something is True 👌🏻
@@traviswilson36can you elaborate?
@@traviswilson36Go ahead and explain your position.
Clear reason?
Greetings from Serbia! As you may know, Serbia is an Orthodox country, which has paid a high price for this many times in history. Anyway, as an Orthodox, I already know some of this, but I'm trying to improve my English, and this channel is so helpful in explaining Orthodoxy, but also for learning English for me :)
Happy to have friends in the Serbian church in different nations. Serbians in Romania had to pay a high price too in 1951 when they have been deported to the Baragan. In the Romanian Banat here is a wonderful Serbian Saint George monastry near Birda south of Temesvar.
When l was very young in Greek Orthodox Sunday school back in the seventies, they taught us the conflict and the suffering with Croatia. The Serbian Orthodox would never yield to Papal infallibility. I remember seeing pictures of many Serbians being tortured. As a child it was horrible to see. I'm not judging or condemning anyone. Just seeing those photographs of young and old people being tortured as a result of their Orthodox beliefs and what they went through as a result was horrifying. In addition what Orthodox Romanians endured in prisons was heartbreaking.
Baptism on May 12th!
All Glory and thanks be to our King and God, Jesus Christ!
☦️
Many years
Oh how wonderful. How that will be a special day for you!
Fantastic!
God bless you brother! Congratulations!
Glory to God! ☦
I really appreciate Father Paul. He has a civil tongue, never putting anyone down, never is condescending to anyone; even when he substantiates and easily rebukes counterpoints to what he believes in. Father Paul is extremely welcoming, and never makes anyone feel uncomfortable at any point of his discussion. It reminds me of the Orthodox monk who went to a village to help and show them how to improve their agriculture, their irrigation, their farming and their overall quality of life. Each time being asked who does he worship; never telling them he was Eastern Russian Orthodox. Finally when the altruistic monk took his leave of the village, they found out the humble monk was Orthodox. The end result, the entire village converted to Orthodoxy.
Yeah I'm sure he's a good liar but that doesn't make God real and it doesn't make slavery or murdering gay people right like the Bible supports.
Your response is an unfortunate one. No need to call him a liar. His interpretation is obviously quite different from yours. Nevertheless if you disagree with parts of the Bible, fine that's how you see it. l see him as being a very virtuous, kind hearted individual who's open mind has led him to dedicate his life to Orthodoxy in a manner of spiritual altruism.
@@guspapadopoulos thanks for the compliment. Yeah he definitely should stop lying to people. There's no evidence for God but plenty of evidence the Bible is b*******. I suffered thanks to people like him. You and him should both look how the Bible support slavery and murdering gay people and many others. You can also research how the Bible contradicts itself.
@@beastumfan „God is not real“ lmao so are ethics, logic and math. You presuppose those things yet you have no justification for them. (Transcendental argument). You have no justification to call those acts „bad“ in the first place
@@damndaniel333 I don't believe in slavery or murdering gay people. I hope you aren't really an evil person like your Bible.
I'm glad Father brought up the consistency between ancient saints and modern. As a former roman catholic I could see zero continuity between the desert fathers and modern roman catholic saints it was very troubling.
The first time I read the lives of Ss. Seraphim of Sarov and Xenia of St. Petersburg it all clicked.
Read St. Dmitriy of Rostov or St. Peter Mohila.
Saint Seraphim of Sarov is my baptismal saint.
What are you talking about? How is there no continuity between the Desert Fathers and the Roman Catholic Saints?? Also, it is interesting that you don't mention some of the other early Saints, such as Augustine or Leo the Great, who - as even the Eastern "Orthodox" admit - taught distinctively Roman Catholic doctrines.
@@the4gospelscommentaryno need to defend the saints, their lives speak for themselves, that’s what the Father here in the video invites us to do, read about them, the Holy Spirit will guide you through the wordly affairs.
Hi, Protestant here (almost ex tho, I am discerning).
With all due respect, your objection sounds like the Protestant one of saying, “the early church met in home churches, therefore Catholic Churches shouldn’t be so large with grandeur”. The issue with that objection made (and anything along those lines objecting to large churches, etc.) is that it essentially attacks Christianity for having grown. Christianity is a religion that grows and changes over time, as it impacts the world and culture, and transforms societies.
I don’t understand why you’re claiming to not be able to see continuity between the desert fathers and modern Catholic saints. First, we live in a very different world today, and the challenges the faithful are called to rise to are different.
Secondly, even if their should be all these ‘solitary’, ‘hermit-like’ modern Catholics, then this is granted by all the Catholic monks and ascetics of sorts who live these solitary sort of lives. Just because they’re not well known doesn’t mean they don’t exist and fulfil this criteria, and this makes especially good sense if these ascetics are less likely to be in the public eye and thus less likely to receive canonisation.
Third, the desert fathers weren’t all the fathers and saints of the early church - they are certainly not the ‘standard’ that saints have to conform to.
I hope that made some sense. I do really appreciate your comment. I think it’s interesting to think about what the appropriate ‘progression’ of Christianity should look like, as it grows and impacts the world. Thanks!!
Cause it is the only Eastern Church. Not liberal not westernized not soft christianity but real and strong Church ☦️❤️🔥
It is apparent that you know nothing about the Catholic Church. Otherwise you would not have made such an idiotic comment.
As a Roman Catholic I’d say that we are the same. I was once an Orthodox Christian I’d say this. I knew I didn’t have the strength of answering questions inside. So I converted to Catholicism and it’s the one true church. Orthodox churches have no real leader no offense to the Eastern Orthodox Church
Contraception and divorce is about as soft as it gets bro.
Every Orthodox church has a Catholic counterpart. There's no theology in "Orthodoxy" that does not already also belong to the Catholic church.
@JudeMalachi Uncreated energies? The creed without Rome's addition of the filioque?
Or what about the other way around, has Orthodoxy dogmatized any sort of purgatory, or immaculate conception of Mary, or "mortal sins"? Whether we're talking about those doctrines, or we're talking about papal infallibility, Catholicism has developed a thousand years worth of doctrine that is alien to the ancient Church. And Catholics will defend everything the Pope says and does, simply because he's the Pope.
"It would seem that the Holy Ghost does not proceed from the Son. For as Dionysius says (Div. Nom. i), 'We must not dare to say anything concerning the substantial Divinity except what has been divinely expressed to us by the sacred oracles.' But in the Sacred Scripture we are not told that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Son; but only that He proceeds from the Father, as appears from John 15:26, 'The Spirit of truth, Who proceeds from the Father.' Therefore the Holy Ghost does not proceed from the Son" - Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, First Part, Question 36, Article 2.
Not to mention, we still have continuity with St. Peter through the bishop of Antioch. Think I'll stick with Orthodoxy. After all, 4 out of 5 patriarchs agree (the Great Schism).
So, as a Roman Catholic, it is my understanding that in order for a mortal sin to be absolved and washed away, you must undergo a deep self-evaluation, one that makes you ponder why you committed the sin in the first place. Without the self-evaluation phase, and if you are not truly sorrowful for your transgression(s), then your sin will not be absolved. So, like the Orthodox, the RCC takes sin very seriously, especially one that is mortal in nature. I have found my home in Roman Catholicism. However, I think I would be just as comfortable in the Orthodox Church as well!
That is with almost any religion...
Saint Xenia helped me found the work that i always dreamed off. Glory be to God ❤
That was a huge part of my “decision”.
You speak to an Orthodox monk, and a Catholic priest you will see the difference in spirit. Compare a Divine Liturgy with mass.
I asked myself who I would rather reflect, who would I want to BE like.
Being a philosopher isn’t my goal. Being like the God-man is my goal.
And so far too go..
May God have mercy on us all and save us.
I see. But what if you speak to and orthodox monk and an catholic monk?
@@jollygoodgordon5580 that’s true. I could have done that, but a catholic monastery was hard to find in my area.
Between the priests you find the same difference nonetheless.
@@jollygoodgordon5580 There is a spirit, a fragrance, that has permeated both of them. They are very different. From the monastics to the priests, and laymen. (You decide which has the fragrance of Jesus Christ)
It doesn’t take a PHD in theology, philosophy, church history, and biblical studies to notice this difference. (Not that any of those areas of study is bad)
I think even wanting to start from any of those presuppositions is the very problem.
To no offense to you or any Roman Catholic.
I am only stating my experience and observations in considering both the Holy Orthodox Church, and Roman Catholicism.
Again, another comment that doesn't make sense. There is no Orthodox church that doesn't have a Catholic counterpart.
@@JudeMalachi The counterpart left. 😀
This channel has been so helpful in explaining Orthodoxy 🙏🏻
Fr. Truebenbach helped me greatly through his ministry on RUclips and I eventually found St. Seraphim of Sarov. It was through St. Seraphim’s prayers that I found my way into the Orthodox Church. I thank Christ for you, Father!
Same with me. He led me to read and learn about Saint Paisios.
🇺🇸 American ☦️ Orthodoxy 🇺🇸 is such a rich and beautiful thing.
I grew up with purely secular, emotionally distant parents and often had borderline demonic episodes of emotional turmoil, but throughout my life I've never been able to escape from Christians - no matter where I go, they're the ones who appear drawn to me, and vice-versa. After my parents died at 18, I became a spiritual seeker on-and-off and Christianity was the LAST religion I thought could possibly be truthful. I stepped foot in a Greek Orthodox church only because I had already gone unsatisfactorily through the list of every other religion out there, and because some orthodox guy was nice to me online once. I loved the people there and the service, but I ended up being drawn to Catholicism simply because of its greater presence and the abundance of "extra-curricular opportunities" I could involve myself with. However, a year later I'm really regretting it because I've been introduced to all of the seemingly man-made superstitions like indulgences, the immaculate conception (and the borderline worship of Mary in general), the idea that if I miss Mass once and die without confessing it I will literally go to inescapable Hell, and the hundreds of schizophrenic episodes where people "see Mary" talking heresy yet the church officially believes it to be true and from God. Most Catholics don't even believe half the Catholic-specific dogma of the church - the apparent unity of the Catholic church, which is another reason I chose it, is all show. There are great Catholics, and the parish I converted in was especially abundant in Spirit, but the over-emphasis on these Catholic-originating superstitions has been atrocious in helping me grow in faith and I basically just stopped attending Mass after a few months because of how much I was disgusted and troubled over these things. Instead of an emphasis on growing in the Spirit, becoming more like Christ, and learning to properly love and worship the Father, Catholicism in practice ends up being more about "how many rosaries can I pray each day" (and half the words of the rosary are heresy imo), "what obligatory thing can I do to lessen my time in purgatory instead of actually repenting," and in general is more about mindless action and speech rather than sincerely trying to please God. Having grown up in the environment I did where hard scientific facts are what is worshipped and seen as highest truth, I CONSTANTLY struggle with having lasting belief that Jesus really was in fact more than a well-meaning apocalyptic prophet whose honorable but merely earthly vision of Israel never came to be. The only reason I believed in the church enough to convert at all (and I really shouldn't have with my doubts), and remained despite these doubts, was the spirit of the people who really love God in the church. I had an STE (Spiritually Transformative Experience) in High School where I felt the unconditional love of God, which I've felt at various times throughout my life - and it is only because good Christians I have met give off the same "spiritual" feeling as that Spirit I felt (more powerfully and more reliably than other religious people), that I have been willing to be around Christianity and even consider it at all. If it were just the books and the tradition that was there, I don't think I could believe at all because of how it has been challenged by historical-critical scholars and archaeology. Anyway, I'm ranting now, thank you to anyone who read all of this. :) I've decided to resume my inquiry into the Orthodox church again, hoping it will fix the problems I'm having in Catholicism.
Wow I really relate to your perspective, having converted from humanism to Christianity, and also having emotionally distant parents. Like you I was attracted to the radiating love some Christians have, no matter their denomination. I became a Christian last September attending a bible study on Romans in a non denominational church. But I came to Orthodoxy because it is closest to the early church and because of their intensity of self reflection, and the way they describe the Church as a hospital. As a logical person, sometimes I find it hard to believe some of the stories of the Saints, but I'm praying for a transformation of my heart and mind. Sometimes unbelief creeps in period about everything, and pray to God I believe, help my unbelief, because I've never felt such peace and comfort outside of being a Christian and contemplating God and Jesus Christ.
Besides Orthodox Church, I also go to Celebrate Recovery, a 12 step Christ-centered recovery because the people there are also passionate about healing and drawing closer to God, and becoming more Christ-like.
As for the historical evidence I've seen many videos and I'm really convinced that there is evidence for Jesus Christ existing. One that comes to mind is the Shroud of Turin and how scientists have not found a way to explain it. Thank you for reading this far 😊 I pray for God's mercy and blessings for you and for your salvation ❤
I 10000% second the shroud of Turin.
I don’t venerate things, but I have had nights where I stay up thinking about the shroud because it is just so cool. Literally for hours.
It’s incredible, praise to the Lord Jesus Christ.
You can see the crucifixion. You can see the sculptures made from the image miraculously photographed onto the fabric.
I'm really tired of Western christianism i don't even wanna live in the west any more , you are a hero father for bringing the Eastern Orthodox Faith to the West ☦️
We are not supposed to believe in God or not based on the behaviors of others.
We are not supposed to change faiths or justify it over the behaviors of others.
Rather than that it is crucial to live your life to the best of your ability. While not worrying of how others portray it.
If we are able to simply be sick or tired of it and simply jump to another, then there Is no true foundation of your belief in God to begin with.
There are plenty of Christians who are some of the.most rude, judgemental, hateful people I know.
I could not think of changing my faith or the way I believe in God based on the way ANYONE else behaves.
I refer to The Bible. That's it.
@@linamarie84 Wanting to find a church to Worship and fellowship with others who share Biblical beliefs is not a sin.
Im gonna try your experiment. Read lives of ancient saints. Then lives of modern Catholic saints and Orthodox saints. And see which ones line up with the ancient saints. As someone going through a bit of a Catholic vs Orthodox crisis, this is a brilliant idea.
You obviously don't know much about modern Catholic saints.
@JudeMalachi Correct. I've read books on Maximilian Kolbe and Therese of Liseux and a couple others. I haven't read any lives of saints books in early church (except for desert fathers). Got any books about that you'd recommend?
@@mathieuconklin3146As I am posting on a website that represents the Eastern Church, can I recommend three outstanding books from the east: [1] Life of St Anthony of Egypt by St Athanasius, CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform; [2] On the Incarnation, St Vladimir’s Seminary Press (St Athanasius the Great); [3] My Life in Christ (Two Volumes) - St John of Kronstadt, Independent Publishers Group.
EOC don't recognize Catholic saints after 1054AD.
Including St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Anthony of Padua, St. Thomas More, Faustina Kowalska (Divine Mercy), Francis of Assisi, Joan of Arc, Maximilian Kolbe, Teresa of Avila, Mother Teresa, Padre Pio, Catherine of Sienna, and thousands of other saints..
I just read a book about Saint Ephrem and Saint Makarian from the Greek Orthodox Church. Also Saint Nikodimos from modern day
I was praying about this today. Thank you Lord.
This was a wonderful video! And I very much so enjoyed that miniature tour of the church and the short biographies of some of the more modern saints ☦️
بصلوات وشفاعة والدة الاله تي ثيؤطوكوس والقديس باييسيوس الاثوسي وجميع القديسين الارثوذكسين يا مخلص خلصنا امين
صوما مقبول ومبارك يارب
Jesus Christ loves you ❤God bless you and your loved ones 🙏
Amen
Christine Ortodox from Italy ❤🙏🙏🙏
Such an underrated channel
God bless from HT Salt Lake City
Thank you so much for this fantastic video! It directly answered the questions I have about choosing between Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
Choosing a denomination between saints is an interesting idea.
When you look at a Catholic saint of the 20th century, St. Padre Pio, and you study the gifts he had: the stigmata, bilocation, reading of souls in confession, etc., and then you take into account other miracles attributed to him even since his physical death, you realize the gifts the God gave him.
Many blessings from this Catholic to my Orthodox brothers and sisters.
Holy Orthodoxy isn't a denomination. 🤗 Many of our modern Saints have beautiful gifts. St. Matrona of Moscow is one of my favorites.
Saint Xenia is also so dear to my family. Both my husband and I had seperate incidents occur that involved her and her presence as we were praying her Akathist. I have no words to describe it. Lord have mercy on me, a sinner ☦️
Amazing video ❤
Love this! God is all about transforming our hearts in order to truly be one with Him.
I love your videos. Keep up thr good work.
I love that in three years time I hear the New Testament in its entirety. I love that the three readings make up the homily for the priest to draw from. I love knowing that my focus on Sundays is on the same subject matter across the world. I enjoy feeding on the preaching of orthodoxy and happily remain a loving Roman Catholic.
Being a member of the heretical group is problematic as Lord's Bride is elsewhere.
Beautiful Father Paul. Thank you and may we have your blessings!
thank you father.
Thanks for showing the relics. I'm not Orthodox but it's pretty cool to see some modern miracles
ORTHODOXY = TRUTH....CHRIST'S TRUTH ❤☦️...I feel sad that so many people are following false teachers and denominations that have nothing to do with Our Lords truth..praying for all to come to the truth....Kyrie Isouy Xriste Eleison emas tous Amartolous ☦️
I've come to accept. That we shouldn't nessecarily pity the following and damn the teacher.
It is a co-parasitic relationship. Wherein;
The Seeker Desires a Lie, so the Teacher Provides. As the group think grows, the desire for lies becomes more and so the teacher becomes empowered to be bold in greater and greater nonesense.
It's not fair to damn the teacher, in truth. He or she is one, singular. Where instead, notice there are many who prop them up with worship.
If you're going to revile one, it's only fair to revile all. If you will bless one, it is only fair to bless all.
I would argue. The attendees my usually leave whenever. However the leader is trapped under the grander delusion, powered by the deluded.
@@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz ...ase mas vre ...
Lord Jesus Christ Son Of God Thank You For Your Sacrifice May God Bless You Brothers In Christ❤
Excited for this !
Amen Praise the lord ☦️🛐
No faith is easy as we all come from the same God..... our gentle but consequential father understands our soul's needs therefore will send us what our soul requires at divine time. Faith journey is a lifetime discovery of self and Lord's plan......
there is multitude of layers to Faith development as we become willingly with acknowledgment INSTRUMENTS OF GOD.
Thank you for sharing as every person/pastor crosses our path is a gift from Lord carrying a message form God......
God bless you for being an inspiration to me and the world. ❤Jezusa
Isn't it funny when you find the truth that fasting happens on it's own? Praise the Lord. A few weeks ago before start of Lent I all of a sudden lost my appetite. Ahh the mysteries. Shivers. I'm bursting inside!
I’ve been to Protestant and Catholic Churches since I was baptized in 2017 and been disappointed. I’m going to try Orthodoxy next
I really love Father Paul's videos and explanations and I have fallen in love with the beauty in the traditions/ spirituality of the East. I do want to say that the fasting requirements in the Latin Church are given as a minimum, and faithful are encouraged to do more. I don't think the way Orthodox fast is insane, it is inspiring and admirable. But the Catholics in many of the eastern Catholic Churches (and some Latin, by choice) still do fast this way. And Roman Catholics are definitely not taught that there is no need to worry if we don't have mortal sins. Catholics are encouraged to frequently go to confession, even with no mortal sins, grow in virtue, and avoid all sins, not just mortal.
A great stumbling block for many of my friends is the Orthodox fasting discipline. How can I help them see that self-denial and fasting is not just important, but necessary for spiritual growth? Christ, help me.
A friend of mine advised me to start slowly, with no guilt - just joy in my heart. Still 3 meals a day but smaller meals, however with no meat, dairy, wine, or oil (which is where I'm at). Only after a lot of prayer I hope to be like her - just a simple vegetable soup with a few lentils and a hunk of bread (her only meal of the day on Weds and Fridays, usually eaten at around 3pm).
I was told when you're just starting out you should consult with your priest to develop a fasting rule. The full Byzantine fast isn't required of you right from the beginning.
Each person talks to his/her spiritual father or Priest to come up with a plan for fasting if s/he is weak still. It is gradual oftentimes for those in the Catechumenate and Neophytes. There is nothing to fear, the Holy Orthodox Church works with us on our path of Theosis by the grace of God.
I’d like to know how many traditional Catholics are leaving the Roman Catholic Church under this pope and going to the Orthodox.
i'm one, as soon as i saw this Pope accept a gift, a crucifix submerged in a jar of urine i said i'm done with this Church, not to mention him tying to destroy the traditional mass, and the proof that bishops and the Pope himself were protecting child molesting Priest. The Catholic Church is too far gone, it'll never be what it once was again.
Beautiful, thank you!
Let's Geaux Gonzaga! Thank you Padre
I grew up with a foot in both the Roman Catholic Church and my eastern Catholic Church, and the rigor of fasting alone has changed my life for the better. With men, if you expect more, then you get more.
My journey to becoming Orthodox was sparked by St. Gabriel of Georgia, a Fool for Christ. 🙏🏻☦️
I am Georgian and am sooo happy hearing that
@@annichqitidze2012 დიდება უფალს!🙏🏻☦️
"St. Theodore the Studite: “Since it is to the great Peter that Christ our God gave the keys of the kingdom of heaven along with the dignity of chief shepherd, it is to Peter, that is, his successor, that it is necessary to refer every novelty which is made in the Catholic Church by those who turn aside from the truth.”
I just needed to come to understanding of St George and the lads sacrifice of not giving into draconian laws. Nobody taught me in the Christian faith but I persisted and learnt before Christ stuff. Don't give up and the truth shall be revealed. Icons aren't to be worshipped but treated as history lesson
6:45 Nailed it. Thanks Padre. No one gets me. Kwak.
I went to Catholic church (and school) as a kid, and as early as I can remember I never believed what they said. Why? In vulgar terms, the vibe was off. Something about the church gave me the heebie-jeebies; and even if I couldn't explain why, I recall as a 5 year old in Sister Margaret's class that I did not want to go along with whatever this thing was that I'd been thrust into. When I learned about Orthodoxy as an adult I never got that feeling, not for a second. The witness of the people I met, listened to, and read about was just completely different, and ultimately that's what finally brought me to Christ.
All about feelings. Talk to people in the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church who suffered in the underground church and you'll get a different "vibe".
Everyone suffered under the Bolshevik yoke, that's neither an argument for the Papacy nor a defense of the theology & practices of 97%+ of Catholics who are Novus Ordo.
So you placed the fate of your eternal soul on your feelings, like mormons. Got it.
Feelings first, to be sure. I trust my instincts when I'm in a bad neighborhood, why not in a church? But I know too much about church history now to consider anything but Orthodoxy; and I was an atheist until I learned about Orthodoxy, nothing convinced me of any religion for 31 years. Do you think you could change my mind or even offend me with a brusque comment on RUclips?
@@machinotaur Nobody cares about your feelings. Show me where Jesus said trust your instincts. You make your choices like a mormon.
Keep reading, particularly the parts where Eastern Churches kept the tradition of Papel Supremacy until they conveniently stopped keeping that Apostolic Tradition half way through Church history. Why did the 1st century Corinthians seek the authority of the Holy See instead of their own bishops, eastern bishops who were closer like the Bishop of Constantinople or Antioch, or even the then still alive Apostle John who was right next to them on the Island of Patmos? 🙃
Nice
Did anyone notice that at 10:34 If you pause it some of the saints in the background, Their hands are glowing.
If one wants to find The Truth, then The Orthodox Church is the only one where God is working miracles through saints from our times.
there's no one true religion, there's only Jesus who is the only way to God.
@@rand5
Christ's Body is the Orthodox Church.
One Christ, One Faith, One Baptism.
The working of miracles happens outside of the Orthodox Church. I say this, not to compete with the true Church, but to ask you to be more careful. Your tone matters when speaking to Protestants, as we have trust issues and are sensitive to rejection. Blessings on the fullness, the Christ-bearing Orthodox.
My back was healed at an evangelical fellowship this spring. I attribute it to God, but I don’t take it as a sign that evangelicals are orthodox in their core practices.
EOC don't recognize Catholic saints after 1054AD.
Including St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Anthony of Padua, St. Thomas More, Faustina Kowalska (Divine Mercy), Francis of Assisi, Joan of Arc, Maximilian Kolbe, Teresa of Avila, Mother Teresa, Padre Pio, Catherine of Sienna, and thousands of other saints...
@@PizzaDisguiseI agree with you. I heard it explained to me by an Orthodox reader (Reader Paul on RUclips) that the Holy Spirit for SURE works inside of the Orthodox Church and does work outside too but we can’t make a claim to what extent because they don’t believe that’s for us to define. The Holy Spirit does work outside of the Orthodox Church, absolutely. He has to- that’s how He brings the lost to God in the first place. Jesus healed those who were outside of the Jewish faith. It’s the healing that ultimately drew people to a genuine relationship with Christ. However, experiencing healing doesn’t guarantee that you’re in relationship with Christ.
We could look at it like… healing is the “wooing” God does to the human heart. But that human heart has to then submit to Jesus’ lordship and be connected to Him intimately. Even disciples of Jesus who experienced miracles walked away. For example- he rebuked the crowd because when He gave the 5,000 food, He said “you only came because of your fill of the fish and the loaves.” They just wanted to get more food. They didn’t really want to pick up their cross and follow Jesus. The feeding of the 5,000 was meant to point beyond the physical to the spiritual and some just didn’t want to go further.
I have noticed a lot of Christian faith including the Catholics posting video for e.g. about the solar eclipse this month and other events as signs. I don’t find Orthodox Church does but focus on being a good Christian, and their role as an Orthodox Christian and the Orthodox Church purpose. I just wondering your opinion on the Orthodox opinion about such events and other faiths comments connecting the solar eclipse with Jonah’s warning.
No matter how pure , how enthralling the history of a religion and its central figure I believe it is very imoortant individuals are able and willing to live their lives in a way which will not make them vulnerable.
I am obviously influenced by roman catholicism chiefly because of the environment surrounding churches which was a very positive aspect vis-a-vis our families ancestral religion of hinduism, however later on growing up I realised there is still a strong element of belief and faith which can defy reasoning involved in that denomination.
For example I strongly believe the canonisation of Mother Teresa need not have depended on finding two miracles associated with her life and yet hat was what emphasised upon and virtually searched for before her canonisation, this is to me not good to put very soberly.
Then I find many roman catholic adherents , mostly from Africa and Latin America live their life the same way we had seen had brought down our traditional society namely very strong emphasise on beliefs, faiths, almost intertwined with lack of examples in practice, making it appear as a cult more than a religion which is what had forced me to shun our traditional religion and look for inspiration elsewhere and I had always thought Christianity gives emphasise on not on only faiths and beliefs but also tye need to live ones own life in a way which is not sinful if not inspirational. I used to observe very calm and quiet, neat and tidy christian people solving intricate social problems , stepping in when needed most, setting up examples of their own as opposed to endlessly repeating the glory of life of jesus back in the 70s and 80s, those things were very important to me ,much more important than asking someone to follow christianity because Jesus had done great things , so on and so forth. This is also a major problem with Islam as far as I had noticed and experienced.
If me as a human being will be living my life recklessly and yet expect otgers to respect me because I am a follower of a famous fugure from history and his teachings then to me at least nothing can be more sinful than that and coupled with the idea that we are all to remain resigned to our fate, that we are all sinners waiting to be lifted, generates a strong case for a happy go lucky lot waiting to suffer and causing suffering to others, the last thing I would ever like to follow in life.
Some groups like the Evangelists go even further, absolute bonkers with big money, loud music, hypnotism and what not, its a shame, disaster waiting to happen.
I will need to learn more about orthodox christianity, protestant denominations and anglican belief systems. I am very attracted to the mennonite/amish way of quiet, secluded , pious life, but probably that is a very close community with lot of restrictions and while I feel I must live a life of responsibility and example I must still retain the capability to chart my own way and restrictions usually do not sit well with me.
On the orthodox christianity part I saw some videos on life of hermits living in remote, secluded churches, performing daily duties in a calm, quiet and meaningful manner and that immediately becomes a very attractive proposition to me. But I need to know more for sure.
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Because it is the only group, defending and preserving the true faith.
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Does this guy do any teaching about Peter and Paul.. since that's the name of his parrish. Curius as to his explanation of their differences.
Beautiful explanation without bashing other denominations.
Holy Orthodoxy isn't a denomination. 🤗
Very good role there , you made it click! Awesome movie.. how was the feeling on location and was something happening that you not often say?
The reason I chose Orthodoxy is because there are clear theological answers to all my questions. In Catholicism the answers I always got were “Our pope has direct lineage to St.Peter, So we can do what can do what we want” and that answer simply wasn’t good enough for me
I am Roman Catholic but I DEEPLY respect my Orthodox brothers. We are apostolic and posses the fullness of truth!
I went to a Catholic school. I was Orthodox. God is not real.
Why choose natural spring water over city tap water 🤗 Why be content with a turkey sandwich when you can enjoy the whole thanksgiving feast? Etc etc etc
I am from India and from a Muslim family and in 2019 I started reading the Bible and also completed it and took all the information about Christianity but now I am 22 years old, I have not been baptized but I went to the Catholic Church and went to RCIA. I told you what I don't want to do and whether it is the same as RCIA in the orthodox church. I have to complete the sacrament but now I don't want to go to the Catholic church. Nobody told me what it means to become an orthodox Christian without taking classes. skta ho
Question from a Protestant: is sainthood in Orthodoxy similar to how it’s thought of and approached in Catholicism? Or pretty different?
There’s an episode of the podcast “The Lord of Spirits” that goes over this in depth. It’s hosted by two Orthodox Priests
You would need to ask an Orthodox priest.
I think the canonization process is different
You will never get an easy answer here. The one flaw orthodoxy has if only one, is that they simply cannot say anything plain.
But, no. There will nearly always be a nuance between Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
It's a spiritual thing, I am sure. Given the fullness of the schism I shouldn't think they _truly_ agree on much, wholly.
@@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz That's a feature, not a flaw. The flaw is trying too hard to define and regulate the mystery that is God.
Because it has the Grace of the Holy Spirit. Catholics made changes and they don’t have it anymore or tiny bits. There where the priests do it as it was passed down to them without changes. As soon as someone starts changing it due to their will Grace draws away. It’s crystal clear.
Not just religious symbols but an actual supernatural relationship with our almighty omnipresent omnipotent Holy Triune God♥️🙏🏼
As someone who isn’t part of either of the big two, RCC or EOC . It appears Roman Catholicism seems to work as a Christian style semi governmental entity over a people, while Eastern Orthodoxy is more for the spiritual religious relationship over a people. It seems the world could become perfect if we could implement both, for the uniqueness that each denomination that makes them great.
Where is this at?
Thanks sir. Could you advise a book to read about orthodoxy?
I’m Catholic, but I recommend The Orthodox Church by Kallistos Ware. It goes through the early history of the church, the growing east/west divide in the early 10th century, the influence of the Church in the eastern Roman empire, and fall of Orthodox by the Ottomans, Orthodoxy in 20th century communism. It goes through basic beliefs, describes the liturgy. It really encapsulates everything you need to know.
Only note I’d mention is that the author has since softened his stance on the Filioque since writing his book, to something more similar to Catholics.
The way of a pilgrim is a good book, on the dogma of the church, patristic theology, anything written by fr Seraphim rose is good.
Oh and apostolic treatises on the procession of the Holy Sprit is also a very good book
Know the Faith is a great book . Plus there’s a lot of audio book of Fr. Seraphim Rose and he is amazing.
Thanks for the recommendations
This is provided anyone stops being... vigil, I guess. I don't think people will stop. :)
I just wonder how many Mormons visit or became Orthodox there? 🤔
I think most in America come from being Protestant.
I know some guys from there and the number is more than a few.
Though many of them transferred to the Sister Parish St. Xenia's.
About half of this parish (including me) are former Mormons. And we get new inquirers and new catechumens every week. It's a miracle to behold.
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Mormonism is part of the Protestant Mileu of the 19th Century.
While most Protestants won't claim them but it is a reactionary movement to the Protestants' theological inconsistencies.
It's noteworthy that while Mormons come to various Orthodox countries to convert people to their own faith (I had some encounters with Mormons in Russia), there's the reverse process in SLC itself.
Why would Mary be the holy of Holies rather than the believers? Doesn’t the Holy Spirit currently dwell in each of us who have been born again?
Father bless? ❤️☦️
I am enjoying learning about the Eastern Orthodox Church and agree with much of the teachings but I want to ask respectfully; isn’t replacing the Holy of Holies with the mother of God a bit of a stretch? Again a question respectfully submitted before the Fathers and Priests of the most Holy Faith.
Isn’t that lovely? 🥰
Father Paul please have a debate with our Philippines Catholic Faith Defender on which Chruch is the true Church. God bless.
Go zags! Keeping it in that 509
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Byzantine Rite Catholics follow the same practices as Orthodoxy though. What are you thoughts on following another Rite other than the Roman Catholic Rite?
How does the orthodox fast anyone have any links I can watch? Thanks
We fast 40 days during lent ( no meat , eggs , dairy. We fast 40 days before Christmas ( nativity fast ). In addition, there are more events when we fast . In between: we fast every Wednesday and Friday ( no meat , dairy, eggs).
@@1988bogdana ohh fascinating so you basically fast from animal products
@@joshuapayne9826 yes, but the whole idea of fasting is not to just eat vegan burgers . It is to fast from sin. As my spiritual father says “if you want to have that hot dog today, have it , get that itch taken care of and then pick up your cross and start over again. If you can do only 3 days a week of fasting when it comes to food, but you fast from your sin, it counts.” We do our best to fast as much as we can, but if we are invited to a household that is not observing Fast, we will eat what is put on the table and be thankful. Also, fish is allowed during fasting period ( people who observe strict fast: eat it only on Sunday ). Wine or alcohol technically is allowed on Sunday only , but you do what you can . The point is not about food fasting . It is more about working on yourself and fasting from sin.
In Ethiopian orthodox we don’t just fast from dairy products. We don’t eat from midnight until 3pm in the afternoon. Our hymns start at 12pm and at 3pm so one can eat after 3 pm. Most priests and monks will be fasting until 6pm at night.
We do have different fasting seasons. Major once are 55days before Eastern, 40 days before Christmas and every Wednesday and Friday.
You are expected to go to church services during this fast season. Do so many good deeds help the once’s who need your help.
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That was so very interesting about the Virgin Mary being the new ark of the covenant Having Jewish friends and know some of their faith it made sense to me, but Moses was a vessel as she was , they feel God is One alone. Moses and Mary not God. So very good you actually speak of ark and Ive heard you speak using term Torah and you understand God is greater than any man made words for him, that none suffice. This is why Jewish use Hashem . In my former Roman Catholic church, it was quite negative towards the Jewish roots. It was offensive,an older priest did not know which was Torah , confused with Jewish only law book Talmud. I had become catholic as adult as gift to my ill father , I never felt welcome. The statues , candles I remembered were gone, the priest talked of football and tv shows, the people disrespectful, from their dress to constant talking.
I have not yet visited an Orthodox church but woukd like to. I am concerned only about attitude towards a single mature woman.
I am in Ohio, I hope there is someone as intelligent as you in one.
Orthodox faith is the only one to this day that have Saints! The word it self (orthodox) means true or correct. That’s says it all
ahhh... wrong.
EOC don't recognize Catholic saints after 1054AD.
Including St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Anthony of Padua, St. Thomas More, Faustina Kowalska (Divine Mercy), Francis of Assisi, Joan of Arc, Maximilian Kolbe, Teresa of Avila, Mother Teresa, Padre Pio, Catherine of Sienna, and thousands of other saints..
Would St. Thomas Aquinas recognize today's Roman Catholic Church? Likewise, would St. John Chrysostom recognize the Orthodox Church today?
Good question! That really gives a lot to think about!
The answer for the second question, without any doubt is YES!
Since the Orthodox Church still uses St. John Chrysostom's Divine Liturgy on most Sundays, it's pretty clear that he would recognize it.
Saint Thomas Aquinas would not recognize the Catholic Church today. But Saint John chrysostom would recognize the orthodox
The Orthodox Church has been using the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom for 1600 years. I would say so 😀
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I was baptized Western Catholic, but something is not right in the church. I almost gave it up until I found the bishop. It was the church I should of always been in. 🙏❤
What are you talking about.? What is the name of the one you endorse.?
I don't know one Catholic that thinks the Orthodox liturgy is crazy....not one.
I constantly.pray we are reunified
We are already reunified. Every Orthodox church has split and had a part of it come back into communion with the Roman church. So it's not like the Church is divided between East and West because the Catholic Church contains both. The real difference is between schismatic churches and faithful churches.
@@JudeMalachi no, the real difference is actually theology and practice. If you've ever been to an Eastern Catholic church, or have endeavored in some other way to know what they believe in and confess and how they practice, you're not really united with them, because the Latin churches do not practice and believe quite a few things that the Eastern "Catholic" ones do.
In reality, you can only claim "administrative" or "bureaucratic" union, but they are "divided/schismated" from you in both practice and theory. As an Orthodox Christian, that's another point why I don't want any union with Rome - it's become the Church of relativism and trying to claim universality by superficial union on the basis of administration, rather on the basis of faith. Rome has become ecumenist/syncretist and I hope our clergy never entertain seriously the idea of "reuniting" with Rome.
Especially when I see someone saying the arrogant thing that you contain our tradition of theology and practice and we somehow "schismated" from it, as if it has never been our own, but because some centuries later after the schism you managed to politically pressure Eastern Churches to join and plead allegiance to the Pope. That's kind of arrogant, mate. No, the Roman Catholic Church does not contain both East and West. No, we didn't schismate/divide from a tradition, that is Rome's, which we eventually picked up. We've always believed the things we believed and practiced the way we practiced. We are not schismatics to our own tradition. What we have we didn't get from Rome, or the Latin/Western church.
I don't know where the audacity to claim that we are schismatics to our own religion - with all the traditions and practice, - come from and that it is contained by the Roman/Latin church. This is bonkers.
@yavorangelov1601 that arrogance you speak of is one several reasons why I have struggled so much with being catholic.
Ironic.
Comparing modern saints is absolutely essential for those struggling between Catholicism and Holy Orthodoxy. For example, this juxtaposition was startling (in a good way) when it came to the subject of darwinian evolution. Not a single one of our post-darwin saints affirmed it, but rather categorically condemned it as demonic deception/delusion of purpose to destroy the Christian faith. ...whereas the post-darwin canonized saints in the Roman Catholic Church either outright affirmed it or basically said you could believe it or not but it didn't really matter as long as you believed God was the cause.
This was one of the most powerful witnesses for me to the truth of Holy Orthodoxy. It was clear that our modern saints were illumined by the Holy Spirit with discernment to see through and reject what is essentially at this point a worldwide deception. Glory to God in His saints!
Why do Roman Catholic modern Saints still have miracles affirming their sainthood if you claim they're wrong?
@@MasterKeyMagic miracles cannot be the litmus test for the truth.
Plus, if they were, the Orthodox Church would win out anyway. We literally have perpetual, public, observable and verifiable miracles in the myrrh streaming icons around the world. The Iveron icon was just in town a few hours from me last year and it was gushing throughout the entire service at Holy Trinity Monastery in Jordanville, NY. I also have a personal friend who was blessed to travel with it and got to watch the myrrh beading up trickling down it right before his very eyes while riding in the car. You can legotimately go see this, and other such icons yourself, you don't even have to rely on an eyewitness.
So...if you're RC, you don't really want miracles to be the litmus test, I assure you.
@@MasterKeyMagicmiracles cannot be the litmus test for truth.
Plus, Roman Catholics wouldn't really want to take that angle anyway because the Orthodox Church would still come out on top. We--by God's grace--have multiple myrrh streaming icons like the Iveron icon that have been continuously producing myrrh for years. The Iveron icon was just in Jordanville, NY at Holy Trinity Monastery last year and it was literally gushing the entire duration of the service at the grave site of Brother Jose, the martyr who traveled with the icon prior to his death.
Such wonderworking icons are continuous public, verifiable miracles. You don't need to even rely on a first hand eyewitness, you can go see them for yourself. So...a RC would be wise not to make miracles the litmus test for truth
The church is not a scientific organization, it follows the science.
EOC don't recognize Catholic saints after 1054AD.
Including St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Anthony of Padua, St. Thomas More, Faustina Kowalska (Divine Mercy), Francis of Assisi, Joan of Arc, Maximilian Kolbe, Teresa of Avila, Mother Teresa, Padre Pio, Catherine of Sienna, and thousands of other saints..
Our Lord Jesus told us that is the narrow gate that leads to salvation. We have to fight during this lifetime,it is going to be hard.If it is easy and always happy with no sadness then we are away from the Lord. So the father here is correct. :)
Please I need a number to contact In Nigeria I need to see an orthodox priest
Is it true that orthodox will not pray with those of other Christian faiths?
It's true
It would be super cool if you guys could go to a Western Rite parish, and see how the traditions of the West are still celebrated in the fullness of Orthodoxy.
@@Chrisc-sn6uh mull monastery is under the Romanian Orthodox Church. ROC is not western rite. 😀
They have western rite orthodox which is basically identical to the Anglican ordinariate or the TLM in English.
@@St.MichealTheArkAngel my mistake I’ll remove my comment to not miss lead others God bless you.
@@Chrisc-sn6uh God bless you friend ☦️
Read Answering Orthodoxy, Lofton, 2024 to have anwers 👍👌
All the angry catholics in the comments…😂
Am a protestant but I think something has drawn me to orthodoxy is it a sign?🤷
Not something, but Someone.! ☦☦☦
I’m surprised there’s no mention of St Gabriel of Georgia! He was an amazing fool for Christ, he reposed in 1995
It's true christianity.
Virgin Mary deserves honour, but Christ alone is the grande architect.