I have this tent in the 1P. Here’s why I love this tent: - light weight and fully featured, meaning they didn’t shed oz with inferior materials and design flaws - heavier/thicker fabric in flooring, main canopy, & fly. Marmot uses 15d & 20d fabric versus lighter tents that use 10d or less - fly covers entire tent unlike the Nemo that exposes the head of tent to moisture - fly is silpoly which doesn’t sag or stretch when wet like silnylon - it’s a fully free-standing tent. Others shed oz by designing a semi-freestanding tent. These designs don’t hold up well in heavy rain or wind. - smaller footprint allows you to pitch tent in tighter/smaller areas of flat ground - the no see-um mesh allows you to see the entire sky. Some tents only give you certain sections where you can view the sky - price is affordable! - peace of mind know this tent will be standing and you’ll be dry after a night of rain, wind, hail, or snow! In windy conditions recommend using the Velcro attachments on the fly to secure to the tent poles and for extra security use at least 2 guyout lines. Tent allows for a guyout at each corner. - buy the footprint if you use an air mattress (I suggest the Thermarest NeoAir Xlite Reg/Wide Sleep Pad (4.2 R-value)- 15oz. Super comfy) Happy camping!
I just added two guy out loops to my tent fly at the ends. Bought 5/8” ribbon. Cut a piece about 4” long, doubled it over on itself on the top side and underside. My wife hand sewed it in place around the edges and then followed that up by stitching a x pattern. I tied a guy line to each loop and staked it out. Works perfectly to keep the ends away from the tent mesh and from flapping in the breeze.
Justin Outdoors Right after I put the loops on the ends for guy out lines, I pitched it in my back yard for two night to give it a test run. The second night it rained and was windy and my sewn on loops worked perfectly.
I used my tent 3 times, on the third time it rained hard for 6 hours, and all the rain came into the tent through the rainfly, it leaked from all over the rainfly not from one spot. It leaked so bad my sleeping bag was soaked, I had to leave the tent about an 1/2 an hour after the rain started and went to the campground bathroom for the night! I'm just now trying to get Marmot to see if they'll warranty it, the problem is I bought it in 2019 but couldn't use it till this last month due to covid and time of course.
What the...? What did you do wrong?? I don't belive you. This tent DOES NOT leak water regardless of wind and rain. I think you are just faking and joking and that you never owned this tent, Or that you forgot to use the rain fly...
@@harryhthenorwegian476 I did forget to mention something in my very recent reply, Marmot replaced the fly under warranty, but they did tell me to seam seal it and treat it with Nikwax Tent & Gear SolarProof.
Hey Justin, Great review! Not sure if you have an update, but are you still liking this tent? I am planning an Arizona trail hike and I'm really liking the price and features of this one. thanks for any info! Joe
Hey Troy! The design of the tent allows for a good unobstructed view of the ski for sure. So far when using this tent, I've been asleep by the time the stars are out! So I haven't tried any stargazing with it specifically. That being said, I haven't found mesh colour to affect stargazing much, if at all. The biggest factors I've experienced are solid panel placement and pole placement. The Tungsten UL doesn't have any solid panels or poles to obstruct your view when stargazing.
Thanks for the content, you are doing pretty good job with these reviews. Any idea how is this compared to the Marmot Limelight 2p or even better to Nemo Aurora? A review would be nice also!
I had thought this would be good for winter backpacking because there wouldn't be much condensation build up. Has anyone tested that? I only want to buy 1 tent if I can
Gday mate....Marty from DownUnder...hows the outer fly go with "sticking" to the inner? do they touch in rain? Also the smaller vestibule...Is that big enough for the backpack? thats how I go tramping (solo). The backpack goes in one vestibule leaving the other free for cooking etc etc
I have been checking out the tungsten, the weight is almost 5 pounds. Hubba hubba is about 2 pounds less. Yeah the tungsten is 5.29 pounds pack weight.
Sorry Justin but what other one is there? I'm seriously in need of a great UL tent for my 16yr old. He's 6'1" and needs room for himself and a 30 pound dog lol.
Right when you take it out of the box, the floor is a bit tight and some people might think it's smaller. Once you use it for a bit though, it stretches out a bit and you get the full floor width advertised.
@@JustinOutdoors Moving to the top of my list. The reason Marmots interest me is because they are Poly instead of Nylon. I'm hoping for quicker dry out in the mornings so don't have to pack up so wet, or so late, from a night of heavy dew. Any observations about that?
I'm toying with the idea of getting this tent..How do you like it after using it for a while.My other option is the northface stormbreaker..I'm leaning towards the marmot because it comes with the footprint..
The poles weigh 500g when I weighed them (body = 516g and fly = 524g). You could go with carbon fiber poles but I think you'd end up with higher cost and you'd be moving away from one of the big benefits of the tent, which is affordability. It'll be interesting to see if Marmot tries to make a bigger push into ultralight tents with something that has carbon fiber poles and lower denier fabrics. They'd also have to switch from a poly to a nylon fly I think. I do really enjoy the silypoly fly and how it deals with moisture.
I don't think it will be! I've had this tent in some decent rain and haven't had issues with the fly touching the inner mesh, rain coming into the tent on the sides, or splash up. I think the lack of stretch when wet for silpoly material is an undersold feature. I would have taken a dozen extra grams to have those tie-outs. Just like I would have sacrificed weight two large vestibules. My guess is the Marmot engineers were told that the tent must come in under the weight of the hubba hubba, so that's why we see some of the missing features.
I have looked into adding some guy out points and it's beyond my abilities. I do know of some shop where I live that do tent repairs that could easily add a couple guy out points. From my research, the key would be adding a half circle of extra material at the point where the guy out will be so that the material is reinforced. You would then stitch the guy out into the half-circle. You would need to seam-seal the stitching. If your stitching skills are up for it, you could go for it! I have been holding off on adding anything because it hasn't been a problem for me in the rain at all (even really heavy rain). I would see how the tent performs for you, before adding the guy outs - you may be surprised at how well the silpoly performs.
If you want Guyouts you will need the Limelight or the Fortress. The SuperAlloy 2p has guyouts as well but is a slightly smaller tent. I have the fortress 3p and it is awesome, but 6.5 lbs. I am considering getting the SuperAlloy as a backpacking summer tent.
Mine does annoying flapping in high wind but otherwise ok. I am going to try small, ultralight, plastic alligator-style clips on the fly margin, head and foot. They do not need to be very strong as not much energy involved. Cheap, easy solution. May put some Gorilla brand tape on the edge to provide some reinforcement to the cloth.
Just got this tent. Looking forward to using it for some bicycle touring this spring, maybe some bikepacking and backpacking. The weight feels like nothing, but like you said, I would have sacrificed carrying a few extra ounces in weight of fly material for two equally large vestibules (more gear storage). Thanks for the review
Looking at the 2020 version of this tent. Is it still holding up in rain and strong winds? currently using the BA Tiger Wall and looking for a free standing option for alpine and high winds. Thanks!
Still going strong! I had it in some really strong rain a couple of weeks ago and no issues! I've also looked at the Tiger Wall and the Tungsten UL would do better I would say.
Thank you! The new Copper Spur has some flashy upgrades and we had a moment of questioning if we should make the jump, but I've had my eye on the Tungsten UL for a while as an alternative to swap between that and our last great find at a REI garage sale...the Tiger Wall.
Vestibule is where I keep mine! Once camp is set-up and the foodbag hung, there is almost nothing left in my pack and two of them fit well stacked on top of each other in the larger vestibule. If your pack is small enough, you could bring it inside the tent with no problems. This tent is super roomy.
It does amazingly with moisture/condensation due to the silpoly fly and huge amounts of mesh! When using it next to friends with other tents, I always have the least amount of condensation. It is still my go-to roomy tent!
You want to go even lighter? Check out the Marmot SuperAlloy 2p. 2 3 lbs or something without the footprint and under 3 with it. The Bolt and the SuperAlloy are semi-freestanding tents to cut down on weightm you will need to stake out all poles and guylines are rexommended.
Hope your getting the cash for all the stuff I'm buying through your reviews. I believe this will be purchase number 3 lol!!! You find some good stuff dude!!!
Nice! haha. Marmot changed the colors and made a couple other minor changes to the 2020 Tungsten UL and it doesn't look like REI ahs the new or old one. Moosejaw does though and has 25% off the old version. I updated the link (geni.us/TungstenUL2P), thanks for the heads up!
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I have this tent in the 1P. Here’s why I love this tent:
- light weight and fully featured, meaning they didn’t shed oz with inferior materials and design flaws
- heavier/thicker fabric in flooring, main canopy, & fly. Marmot uses 15d & 20d fabric versus lighter tents that use 10d or less
- fly covers entire tent unlike the Nemo that exposes the head of tent to moisture
- fly is silpoly which doesn’t sag or stretch when wet like silnylon
- it’s a fully free-standing tent. Others shed oz by designing a semi-freestanding tent. These designs don’t hold up well in heavy rain or wind.
- smaller footprint allows you to pitch tent in tighter/smaller areas of flat ground
- the no see-um mesh allows you to see the entire sky. Some tents only give you certain sections where you can view the sky
- price is affordable!
- peace of mind know this tent will be standing and you’ll be dry after a night of rain, wind, hail, or snow! In windy conditions recommend using the Velcro attachments on the fly to secure to the tent poles and for extra security use at least 2 guyout lines. Tent allows for a guyout at each corner.
- buy the footprint if you use an air mattress (I suggest the Thermarest NeoAir Xlite Reg/Wide Sleep Pad (4.2 R-value)- 15oz. Super comfy)
Happy camping!
I just added two guy out loops to my tent fly at the ends. Bought 5/8” ribbon. Cut a piece about 4” long, doubled it over on itself on the top side and underside. My wife hand sewed it in place around the edges and then followed that up by stitching a x pattern. I tied a guy line to each loop and staked it out. Works perfectly to keep the ends away from the tent mesh and from flapping in the breeze.
I wish I had those make-your-own-gear skills! Have you had it out in some good wind?
Justin Outdoors
Right after I put the loops on the ends for guy out lines, I pitched it in my back yard for two night to give it a test run. The second night it rained and was windy and my sewn on loops worked perfectly.
Great news for anyone who is thinking about doing this modification! Thanks for the update Jim.
Hi, thank you for the review, may I ask what and how many pegs do you use?
I used my tent 3 times, on the third time it rained hard for 6 hours, and all the rain came into the tent through the rainfly, it leaked from all over the rainfly not from one spot. It leaked so bad my sleeping bag was soaked, I had to leave the tent about an 1/2 an hour after the rain started and went to the campground bathroom for the night! I'm just now trying to get Marmot to see if they'll warranty it, the problem is I bought it in 2019 but couldn't use it till this last month due to covid and time of course.
What the...? What did you do wrong?? I don't belive you. This tent DOES NOT leak water regardless of wind and rain. I think you are just faking and joking and that you never owned this tent, Or that you forgot to use the rain fly...
@@harryhthenorwegian476 I did forget to mention something in my very recent reply, Marmot replaced the fly under warranty, but they did tell me to seam seal it and treat it with Nikwax Tent & Gear SolarProof.
THANKS for th great review
Nice rewiew justin , can you tell how it fares under heavy rain ? Thx in advance
Hey Justin, Great review! Not sure if you have an update, but are you still liking this tent? I am planning an Arizona trail hike and I'm really liking the price and features of this one.
thanks for any info!
Joe
I am!
I realize it's kinda off topic but does anybody know of a good website to watch newly released movies online?
Great review Justin. What's this like for fly free star gazing? Does the light brownish mesh allow you to see the stars clearly?
Hey Troy! The design of the tent allows for a good unobstructed view of the ski for sure. So far when using this tent, I've been asleep by the time the stars are out! So I haven't tried any stargazing with it specifically. That being said, I haven't found mesh colour to affect stargazing much, if at all. The biggest factors I've experienced are solid panel placement and pole placement. The Tungsten UL doesn't have any solid panels or poles to obstruct your view when stargazing.
Thanks for the content, you are doing pretty good job with these reviews. Any idea how is this compared to the Marmot Limelight 2p or even better to Nemo Aurora? A review would be nice also!
The limelight 2 is a great tent and would be awesome for car or canoe camping with the occasional backpacking trip! Super roomy
There are actually pockets in the tent
I think we can even see one of the two pockets at 5:02
I had thought this would be good for winter backpacking because there wouldn't be much condensation build up. Has anyone tested that? I only want to buy 1 tent if I can
Gday mate....Marty from DownUnder...hows the outer fly go with "sticking" to the inner? do they touch in rain? Also the smaller vestibule...Is that big enough for the backpack? thats how I go tramping (solo). The backpack goes in one vestibule leaving the other free for cooking etc etc
Never had a problem with sticking! The smaller vestibule is big enough for a pack for sure.
Hi, can you pitch the fly first, and then the tent inner body? For times when it's raining...
You can not as the fly clips into the the inner tent.
What is like this to today and lighter?
I just see the width of one end of tent. If it’s narrower at the other end... what’s the narrow width?
I have been checking out the tungsten, the weight is almost 5 pounds. Hubba hubba is about 2 pounds less. Yeah the tungsten is 5.29 pounds pack weight.
This is the tungsten UL. Very different tents!
@@JustinOutdoors yeah the tent from your link, thats the one. Marmot says its 5.29 pounds packed weight.
Sorry Justin but what other one is there? I'm seriously in need of a great UL tent for my 16yr old. He's 6'1" and needs room for himself and a 30 pound dog lol.
Finely found the right tent!! Jeesh, they could make them more similar!! Sorry for the misunderstanding Justin.
@@mikeghost7788 No worries! It is weird that they made the names and looks very similar!
Some reviews mention floor width and length being shorter than the spec sheet by 4 inches. Any field measurements?
Right when you take it out of the box, the floor is a bit tight and some people might think it's smaller. Once you use it for a bit though, it stretches out a bit and you get the full floor width advertised.
@@JustinOutdoors Moving to the top of my list. The reason Marmots interest me is because they are Poly instead of Nylon. I'm hoping for quicker dry out in the mornings so don't have to pack up so wet, or so late, from a night of heavy dew. Any observations about that?
I'm toying with the idea of getting this tent..How do you like it after using it for a while.My other option is the northface stormbreaker..I'm leaning towards the marmot because it comes with the footprint..
The UL version does NOT come with a footprint, only the standard Tungsten. I cut a piece of Tyvek for a footprint on mine.
What do the "poles" or frame weigh? Could weight be saved by going to carbon?
The poles weigh 500g when I weighed them (body = 516g and fly = 524g). You could go with carbon fiber poles but I think you'd end up with higher cost and you'd be moving away from one of the big benefits of the tent, which is affordability. It'll be interesting to see if Marmot tries to make a bigger push into ultralight tents with something that has carbon fiber poles and lower denier fabrics. They'd also have to switch from a poly to a nylon fly I think. I do really enjoy the silypoly fly and how it deals with moisture.
@@JustinOutdoors Thanks Justin, could probably save only 200 grams by going to carbon. You're right, not worth it.
Can you put up the fly 1st with the footprint then hang the tent body afterwards, IE: to put it up in rain and keep the inner tent dry?
You totally can, that was one of the main reasons I bought it!
@@JustinOutdoors it just moved way up on my list... my 3f ul lanshan 2 just disintegrated this week -time to upgrade! Thanks
I just got this tent today. I wish there were guy out on the ends. Hope this isn't an issue
I don't think it will be! I've had this tent in some decent rain and haven't had issues with the fly touching the inner mesh, rain coming into the tent on the sides, or splash up. I think the lack of stretch when wet for silpoly material is an undersold feature. I would have taken a dozen extra grams to have those tie-outs. Just like I would have sacrificed weight two large vestibules. My guess is the Marmot engineers were told that the tent must come in under the weight of the hubba hubba, so that's why we see some of the missing features.
@@JustinOutdoors do you think adding a guy out point on the bottom of the end would be an option? Along the seam, being very careful
I have looked into adding some guy out points and it's beyond my abilities. I do know of some shop where I live that do tent repairs that could easily add a couple guy out points. From my research, the key would be adding a half circle of extra material at the point where the guy out will be so that the material is reinforced. You would then stitch the guy out into the half-circle. You would need to seam-seal the stitching.
If your stitching skills are up for it, you could go for it! I have been holding off on adding anything because it hasn't been a problem for me in the rain at all (even really heavy rain). I would see how the tent performs for you, before adding the guy outs - you may be surprised at how well the silpoly performs.
If you want Guyouts you will need the Limelight or the Fortress. The SuperAlloy 2p has guyouts as well but is a slightly smaller tent.
I have the fortress 3p and it is awesome, but 6.5 lbs. I am considering getting the SuperAlloy as a backpacking summer tent.
Mine does annoying flapping in high wind but otherwise ok. I am going to try small, ultralight, plastic alligator-style clips on the fly margin, head and foot. They do not need to be very strong as not much energy involved. Cheap, easy solution. May put some Gorilla brand tape on the edge to provide some reinforcement to the cloth.
Just got this tent. Looking forward to using it for some bicycle touring this spring, maybe some bikepacking and backpacking. The weight feels like nothing, but like you said, I would have sacrificed carrying a few extra ounces in weight of fly material for two equally large vestibules (more gear storage). Thanks for the review
I think you'll really enjoy it! I just spent the weekend using my 1-person tent and I miss how gigantic the Tungsten UL 2P feels.
Looking at the 2020 version of this tent. Is it still holding up in rain and strong winds? currently using the BA Tiger Wall and looking for a free standing option for alpine and high winds. Thanks!
Still going strong! I had it in some really strong rain a couple of weeks ago and no issues! I've also looked at the Tiger Wall and the Tungsten UL would do better I would say.
Thank you! The new Copper Spur has some flashy upgrades and we had a moment of questioning if we should make the jump, but I've had my eye on the Tungsten UL for a while as an alternative to swap between that and our last great find at a REI garage sale...the Tiger Wall.
Nice review! So (noob alert!) where would two people store their backpacks when using this tent? Throw them in the vestibules? Thanks!
Vestibule is where I keep mine! Once camp is set-up and the foodbag hung, there is almost nothing left in my pack and two of them fit well stacked on top of each other in the larger vestibule. If your pack is small enough, you could bring it inside the tent with no problems. This tent is super roomy.
What material are the poles made of?
Any experience with the add on hatchback fly?
Nope! Sorry!
@Justin would you still recommend this tent in 2024
I still own this tent and would recommend for the same pros Justin mentions in this video. Problem is this tent is now discontinued at Marmot... :(
Hi Mr, the 2020 edition comes with footprint?
It does not!
How did this tent do with moisture/ condensation? Do you still use it?
It does amazingly with moisture/condensation due to the silpoly fly and huge amounts of mesh! When using it next to friends with other tents, I always have the least amount of condensation. It is still my go-to roomy tent!
@@JustinOutdoors thanks! It’s really between this and the Copper spur. But since I need at least one long wide pad, it’s really tempting
great content on your chanel, Justin !
Thanks Tom! I really appreciate it.
I'm about 6'4(194cm). If I were lie down would I be touching the walls?
probably!
This tent reminds me of my marmot crane creek ultralight 2P
Similar- the Tungsten UL 2P is just much lighter!
You want to go even lighter? Check out the Marmot SuperAlloy 2p. 2 3 lbs or something without the footprint and under 3 with it.
The Bolt and the SuperAlloy are semi-freestanding tents to cut down on weightm you will need to stake out all poles and guylines are rexommended.
is this tent totally waterproof?
yes
If it wasn't all mesh and could take some lower temperatures I'd be for it
Was almost sold by this tent but the the luck of pockets is a 'deal breaker'. Saying that it's cheaper than the Hubba Hubba
I had a brain fart and it actually does have pockets. One at each head corner.
Hope your getting the cash for all the stuff I'm buying through your reviews. I believe this will be purchase number 3 lol!!! You find some good stuff dude!!!
Ok is this the hatchback? Because your link keeps taking me to that tent.
Nice! haha. Marmot changed the colors and made a couple other minor changes to the 2020 Tungsten UL and it doesn't look like REI ahs the new or old one. Moosejaw does though and has 25% off the old version. I updated the link (geni.us/TungstenUL2P), thanks for the heads up!
Zinlike that a lot. There is a new resigned coming I heard.
The Superalloy! I'm hoping to try it out!
the bottom is not waterproof I tested
I've used it in some heavy rain and wet conditions and the bottom has been perfectly waterproof for me! Sounds like you got a lemon
Mine is waterproof. Never been wet or even damp on the interior.
Poor sound-quality...