I think it's generally acceptable if only because people tend to say Zelda 1 for clarity and Zelda 2 because it's actually called that. Any further than LttP though and it starts feeling really weird.
I played only once at a game called castlevania (and i got trapped because i turned back at the gate of the castle before it closed, trapping me outside of the castle and my cousin laught at me and never wanted me to play again)... that video look realy much like that game... i dont see any thing that remind me any close to any Legend of Zelda (and im a huge fan of the 2d LoZ)... (maby some parts have similar layout as some dungeons of The adventure of Link)... maby i miss something here... but LoZ3 is a 2d top view game for snes... i was expecting something like thoses Super mario/Metroid/LoZ randomizer where you find things of one game in the other mixed up and warp from a game to the other using some special doors... now i just saw a playthrough of a single game that i never seen more than the first dungeon... im confused...
This is super cool, and considering how SotN took inspiration from LttP, I could easily see an alternate timeline where a magic mirror was implemented into SotN or HoD like this. Though I personally find it tough to think about complexity in presets where the castle structure is rearranged to add extra requirements to certain checks.
@@Gorlokk666 could be possible. Zelda games could be considered metroidvanias on the merit of being about exploration and finding new items to progress and explore new areas but the interview I am citing mentioned AlttP specifically he could have also been inspired by multiple games
I've pretty much always considered Zelda and Metroid to be pretty much the same genre just with (usually) different visual perspectives. Relatively open but gated areas with gear that unlocks progression, combat options and maneuvering. Not that Castlevania doesn't do that also of course (at least Sotn onward) but it's far more directly connected between Zelda and Metroid. Metroidvania as a name works in general but it's coined by people talking about the games not the people that made them.
Well, I do see the first one be called Zelda 1, but, yeah from LttP onwards, seeing Zelda games be called by numbers feels weird. Like, it's not wrong to call LttP Zelda 3, but at the same time it doesn't feel proper either.
It would be weird to not count the Oracle games as two entries since they are of course two games. It's honestly pretty ridiculous how often people just assume it's a Pokemon situation with those two. The real complications are if we include some of the spin-off stuff or remakes or the CDI trio. I tend to go with a certain amount of ambiguity, I'd certainly say that Cadence of Hyrule earns it's spot, same for the Hyrule Warriors games despite not being the normal gameplay style but something like Smash Bros certainly wouldn't. Do we include remakes? Do we include all of them if so, since Ocarina 3DS, Majora 3DS and Link's Awakening Switch are all built from the ground up but Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD are just remasters (though admittedly high end remasters). Ultimately it doesn't really matter, I just like noodling on stuff like this.
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-Gets guaranteed weapon drop.
-Is Crissaegrim
WWWWWWWWWEEEEEELP, goodnight everyone.
That's so cool. What a great idea. I think this has the most drastic geometry change I've seen from the recent presets
It's always a little odd seeing LttP be called Zelda 3. Like, it's not wrong... But at the same time it doesn't feel right either XD
I think it's generally acceptable if only because people tend to say Zelda 1 for clarity and Zelda 2 because it's actually called that. Any further than LttP though and it starts feeling really weird.
I played only once at a game called castlevania (and i got trapped because i turned back at the gate of the castle before it closed, trapping me outside of the castle and my cousin laught at me and never wanted me to play again)... that video look realy much like that game... i dont see any thing that remind me any close to any Legend of Zelda (and im a huge fan of the 2d LoZ)... (maby some parts have similar layout as some dungeons of The adventure of Link)... maby i miss something here... but LoZ3 is a 2d top view game for snes... i was expecting something like thoses Super mario/Metroid/LoZ randomizer where you find things of one game in the other mixed up and warp from a game to the other using some special doors... now i just saw a playthrough of a single game that i never seen more than the first dungeon... im confused...
I played Zelda 1 and Zelda 2 as a kid, so when this came out, we called it Zelda 3. That's still how I think of it.
That poor Laevetain, it must have been so confused when you just sped by.
It deserved better.
Switching between 2 castles to get past obstacles reminds me more of HoD than ALTTP.
The coolest thing about this preset could be further implementations of it. Magic Mirror + Adventurer or Lycanthrope would be awesome to see
This is super cool, and considering how SotN took inspiration from LttP, I could easily see an alternate timeline where a magic mirror was implemented into SotN or HoD like this.
Though I personally find it tough to think about complexity in presets where the castle structure is rearranged to add extra requirements to certain checks.
Uhhhh......
SOTN took inspiration from Metroid.
Not ALttP.
And Vampire Hunter D.
@@ZeithriIga straight up said that SotN was inspired by aLttP in an interview for EGM after HoD
@@stuff5499I thought he said it was inspired by Zelda 2? Granted this was from a different interview than the one you mentioned.
@@Gorlokk666 could be possible. Zelda games could be considered metroidvanias on the merit of being about exploration and finding new items to progress and explore new areas
but the interview I am citing mentioned AlttP specifically
he could have also been inspired by multiple games
I've pretty much always considered Zelda and Metroid to be pretty much the same genre just with (usually) different visual perspectives. Relatively open but gated areas with gear that unlocks progression, combat options and maneuvering. Not that Castlevania doesn't do that also of course (at least Sotn onward) but it's far more directly connected between Zelda and Metroid. Metroidvania as a name works in general but it's coined by people talking about the games not the people that made them.
"Behold my true form and despair"
Stays in his damage animation for the _entire_ fight.
Despair is a strong word, Dracula.
A very cool preset, I'm very impressed by the coherent looking geometry changes and of course, the functionality of the magic mirror.
I appreciate that! Making the changes look "like they belong there" is a matter of pride and I spend a lot of time on them to make them look that way.
Jupiter, I feel betrayed.
There's no A Link to the Past in this video. I expected something like Super Metroid x ALttP.
Same here. My disappointment is... immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
Same 🤦🏻♂️
That's pretty cool!
Should've been harmony
Here to help the algorithm, fr fr.
So technically you can skip any boss in second castle that has an item check in the next room without having to fight that boss and vice versa.
Yep, that was by design. One of my favorite features!
I didn't realize these presets changed geometry, I haven't been watching these. Can anyone else give some reccomendations on what seeds/vids to watch?
why not do the death glitch so you can keep the equipment
Most randomizer seeds are played with the glitchless ruleset.
No hate but i have never ever seen anyone refer to zelda games by numbering them (except zelda 2 ofc)
Well, I do see the first one be called Zelda 1, but, yeah from LttP onwards, seeing Zelda games be called by numbers feels weird. Like, it's not wrong to call LttP Zelda 3, but at the same time it doesn't feel proper either.
@@JonVonBasslakeyeah, like TOTK would be Zelda 21 (counting oracle as 2 games and counting triforce heroes as a game even though nobody wants to)
It would be weird to not count the Oracle games as two entries since they are of course two games. It's honestly pretty ridiculous how often people just assume it's a Pokemon situation with those two. The real complications are if we include some of the spin-off stuff or remakes or the CDI trio. I tend to go with a certain amount of ambiguity, I'd certainly say that Cadence of Hyrule earns it's spot, same for the Hyrule Warriors games despite not being the normal gameplay style but something like Smash Bros certainly wouldn't. Do we include remakes? Do we include all of them if so, since Ocarina 3DS, Majora 3DS and Link's Awakening Switch are all built from the ground up but Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD are just remasters (though admittedly high end remasters). Ultimately it doesn't really matter, I just like noodling on stuff like this.
3:10 Magic can... uh, mirror?
Oh I get it. I thought they did some multiworld shenanigans somehow.
Where is the Zelda part?