What BROKE my Small Block Ford?? I Found Out…

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  • Опубликовано: 4 дек 2024

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  • @cjespers
    @cjespers День назад +12

    As a 69 year old ford guy, I say stick a Cleveland in there. Thanks for the video. You guys rock.

  • @lowbudgetbob1155
    @lowbudgetbob1155 День назад +9

    For what you have in the engine, the double row timing chain is all you really need...with the exception of a 2nd dowel pin to keep that issue from happening again. What you have looks to be working well...no need to reinvent the wheel.

  • @scraverX
    @scraverX День назад +3

    One of the great things about Australia is we don't need to salt our roads 4 months out of the year. We do still get rust though just it's different origin.

  • @whocares2227
    @whocares2227 День назад +12

    You're doing some great videos Kyle, and I liked seeing "Juror #7" slither in for a shot....

  • @jjjustin17favs
    @jjjustin17favs День назад +22

    Love this Ford channel

  • @ppark2123
    @ppark2123 День назад +13

    Love how dad come in and looks proud and also has the look “shoulda gone SML”

    • @joshuaearnheart2756
      @joshuaearnheart2756 День назад +8

      $100k engine vs a junkyard sbf. Kinda apples to pumpkins don’t you think

    • @funfun8095
      @funfun8095 День назад

      ​@@joshuaearnheart2756Yep!

    • @darylmorse
      @darylmorse День назад

      Way to trigger the sbf guys!

    • @funfun8095
      @funfun8095 День назад

      @@joshuaearnheart2756 Yep!

    • @joshuaearnheart2756
      @joshuaearnheart2756 День назад +2

      @@darylmorse triggered? Hardly..

  • @94ddenton
    @94ddenton День назад +10

    If you can machine a hole through the broken off dowel you can fill it with oil and use a punch that's the same size as the hole you drilled to tap it out. The punch will try to compress the oil and in turn will push the broken dowel out backwards. I've had to do this with bushings in blind holes before and it works pretty good.

    • @AndyL940
      @AndyL940 День назад

      Weld something to it

    • @waynerohde1036
      @waynerohde1036 23 часа назад

      I seen guys push the pilot bushing out of the back of an engine with bread

  • @Grumpy_Stiltskin
    @Grumpy_Stiltskin День назад +9

    The blue car looks so much better with just some new headlights. 👍

  • @pineychristian
    @pineychristian День назад +4

    Kyle you have a positive attitude on this. I'm sure you were looking forward to sick week as all of us were to see you run.

  •  День назад +3

    Nice disassemble…. Kyle talks just like Steve.👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @Cougar5099
    @Cougar5099 День назад +4

    dude this was some good stuff here, love you guys on how you are so down to earth at the same time light years ahead of most , keep up the good work.

  • @THEVROD64
    @THEVROD64 День назад +5

    Very Smart....Well spoken young man.

  • @CaptainRon513
    @CaptainRon513 День назад +2

    Great that you have minimal damage...Time to freshen up your engine!

  • @robertmalmgren4640
    @robertmalmgren4640 День назад +1

    Don’t worry Kyle, mustangs don’t go well on packed snow. Mine was ok with studded snows.
    1996 mustang cobra with 315’s in the rear is put away till spring. 52 inches of snow has fallen in 5 days.

  • @philipsavickas4860
    @philipsavickas4860 День назад +1

    I would use the tig to weld on the end of the dowell to get something to grip the pin with vice grips

  • @DarrinDietzel
    @DarrinDietzel День назад +4

    Good explanation on camshaft removal, Had me LOL.

  • @Berm_Blaster
    @Berm_Blaster День назад +2

    Just wanted to say good on you for actually reading through your comments. Most RUclipsrs think they know more than any of their viewers so they dont bkther reading comments or if they do they dont take note if whats said. So thats good you actually read through them and actually thought about what was said, because not all of us are idiots talking like we know shit when we really dont. At least its something semi-simple and not a rebuild.

  • @jtcoker2684
    @jtcoker2684 День назад +2

    Man that’s great. Def a best case scenario! Put a Danny b belt drive on it, it works really well and looks nice. I have a couple bump sticks laying around if you need one. Bullet, I think in the .780 range. Glad it was minimal damage, you’ll have it back going pretty quick!

  • @korzer
    @korzer День назад +1

    Good video well done Kyle and Nate, look forward to seeing the motor refreshed and back at the track.

  • @plumbs7199
    @plumbs7199 День назад +8

    Fords Rule !

    • @funfun8095
      @funfun8095 День назад

      At breaking dowel pins. lol Chevy never would have done that. Retained with 3 bolts and a dowel pin. SMH

    • @stevearsenault4898
      @stevearsenault4898 23 часа назад

      I'm a Gm guy buy like them all, 1 bolt and one dowel, i think stock form ok 👍 , but the after market manufacturers should offer a 3 bolt +dowel pin cam and timing gear!

    • @funfun8095
      @funfun8095 22 часа назад

      @@stevearsenault4898 👍

  • @Musclecarcustomgarage
    @Musclecarcustomgarage День назад +1

    I know you and I were talking about pistons kissing the valves. Glad to see it didn't severely destroy anything. Hopefully just some valves and some upgrades. All good brother 💪💪

  • @floridaminibikedragracingl5447
    @floridaminibikedragracingl5447 День назад +8

    john kasse puts twin dowels on his cams just because of that

    • @chuckfoye4563
      @chuckfoye4563 День назад

      Could be a damper issue too.. or just running it up on the 2 step too much. 2 steps and hard limiters are so fucking hard on valvetrain and cam drives. Instantaneous accelerations..brutal.

    • @robholmes2129
      @robholmes2129 День назад +1

      3 bolt cam gear setup would be much better

  • @blueblood76
    @blueblood76 День назад +4

    Yep I made fixture to double dowel mine, And also there are different hardness dowels.

    • @LondonRednek
      @LondonRednek День назад +3

      Too hard has a tendecy to shear, softer is more bendy before complete failure..

    • @blueblood76
      @blueblood76 День назад

      @@LondonRednek Yep you have to balance that

  • @merlepatterson
    @merlepatterson День назад +1

    Good idea to check for any rod slop, just in case.

  • @Bristolcentaurus
    @Bristolcentaurus 21 час назад

    carbide end mill to spot a flat on the broken dowel then carbide drill or end mill to remove the rest of the dowel

  • @jimmanis6717
    @jimmanis6717 День назад +3

    Everybody is a drifter when its snowing! Makes me feel like Taylor Ray! But enough jibber janber back yo the video!

  • @novanut1964
    @novanut1964 День назад +1

    good video, thanks for sharing what went wrong

  • @roadrunner4404
    @roadrunner4404 День назад +1

    Tough break. Glad that's all it was. Fix that cam n go racing. It lasted how long? Lotta street miles too. Save up for the fancy stuff.

  • @davidresar8256
    @davidresar8256 22 часа назад

    I forget how many lengths of those pins there are for sbf engines. You definitely need the right length. So contact your cam company and make sure you have the right length dowel pin. It's a big deal on a sbf. Good luck!

  • @pharris49
    @pharris49 День назад +1

    Let’s see a big block go in. I’m sure you can find one out of a box truck just needing a refresh. A cam and intake.

  • @paullutherborrow637
    @paullutherborrow637 День назад

    I had that happen to a new rebuild years ago the cam bolt was also stretched and the dowel brim on start up
    Lucky I had no damage at all just had to replace the dowel and new bolt

  • @joefergerson5243
    @joefergerson5243 21 час назад

    Excellent work

  • @raymondfowler6591
    @raymondfowler6591 23 часа назад

    I’ve run double dowels on most of my solid roller SBFs in past depending on spring setup.

  • @michaelgallopo5879
    @michaelgallopo5879 День назад +1

    Cool 😎 video...keep living the dream ✨️

  • @charliedavis6143
    @charliedavis6143 День назад

    If you can’t remove the dowel in the cam , some machine shops high amp. electrode that can shatter the pin.

  • @ysitrim88
    @ysitrim88 День назад +5

    Was the cam bolt loose?
    Looks like to me you turned the cam bolt by hand?
    If you have the 7/16th cam bolt just put some RED LOCTITE on the bolt and tq the bolt to 70ft lbs and you will never have a problem! I have the ARP 7/16th cam bolt. If you need the part # I can give it to you.
    I forgot to mention if the cam is double pinned and the cam bolt comes loose you will shear both cam pins, I have been working on small block fords for 25 years and you learn from mistakes 😊
    I have the same combo as you except I have Afr 205s heads and I'm supercharged, making 1210 rwhp and running 5.00s in the 1/8 & 7.90s in the 1/4 @ 3000lbs.

    • @georges8secpony
      @georges8secpony День назад

      The bolt got loose because the pin broke the valves hit the pistons because engine was off timing on valve timing events … it’s a common issue on sbf with some decent spring pressure …

    • @ysitrim88
      @ysitrim88 День назад

      @georges8secpony
      I will have to disagree with you, from my experience, the pin is there for alignment and the bolt is what keeps the tension on the timing gear and prevents the timing gear from moving.
      If the timing gear bolt becomes loose the slightest bit the timing gear will move back and forth and break the pin then all hell breaks loose.

    • @georges8secpony
      @georges8secpony День назад

      @ im pretty sure he knows how to trq a cam bolt and use red loctite … I have seen this on one of my clients 347ci street engine about 15yrs ago .. same story like above … high spring pressure high rpm solid roller sbf its ideal with the dual cam pin and the bigger can bolt for sure … sometimes things just fail its not always the installers fault … btw I have been building engines for over 25yrs and I have clients running 4.20s on 275s sb cars … so its not like I have don’t have any experience on what I’m saying …

  • @chrisobrien9334
    @chrisobrien9334 День назад +2

    Lucky mate. Minimal damage equals no major spending.
    Look forward to seeing it back together and will you put it back on the dyno??

    • @Motorsportkyle
      @Motorsportkyle  День назад +1

      @@chrisobrien9334 yes! Probably the hub dyno but im not sure. Maybe an engine dyno would be interesting

    • @chrisobrien9334
      @chrisobrien9334 День назад +1

      @ Just for piece of mind before you go racing. Good luck mate. Support from Victor Harbour 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

  • @richardpenner4686
    @richardpenner4686 День назад +1

    I feel your salty road pain, I'm from Canada

  • @jcnpresser
    @jcnpresser День назад

    I follow Neo mustangs and he just went through the dowel pin issue. Have to double pin them , at y’all’s power level. I hope I don’t have any issues. He was running his for like half a year or so chasing lower power issues before the bolt loosened up and bent valves.

  • @shawnwalsh5430
    @shawnwalsh5430 День назад

    Keep on going brother! I've got a question for everyone. Why do people talk like Camshaft install or removal is like Brain surgery? I've been doing it for 40÷ years. You can't hurt the lobes or the bearings unless something is already wrong. If it falls down inside, it's laying on the camshaft core.

  • @walteranderson1245
    @walteranderson1245 День назад +1

    Well that’s not bad it just sucks pulling it all the way and bam no testing. But money wise I’m sure you’re happy. So back to work make that money to go fast. Good luck tell dad black vette Wally says hi

  • @aussiegonz
    @aussiegonz 21 час назад

    the old mans, i told you so face was priceless

  • @dm1123751
    @dm1123751 День назад

    Thanks for sharing the journey with us... That looked an awful much like Sugar Mamma in the back ground.

  • @watahyahknow
    @watahyahknow День назад

    probably a good idea to at least spray down the bottom with some fresh water , maibe even allready spray some of the nuts and bolts that you need to get off with a rust penetrant just to prevent most of the rust starting when the car dries up with the roadsaelt on everything
    sure the garagefloor will get wet but then again its going to be dry by the time youre going to work on it

  • @dondotterer24
    @dondotterer24 День назад

    Don't know why but the pin is rare to break on anything else with that kind of spring pressure.

  • @DaltonZMS
    @DaltonZMS День назад

    Called it love to see it usually happen at 500 hp lol let alone 1800 usually dual pinning with some titanium dowel or tungsten same with the crank

  • @tomhamilton9140
    @tomhamilton9140 День назад

    Loose camshaft bolt . 🙆‍♂ Hope to see you up and running soon. A good tig welder can build up the dowel pin get it out.

  • @dereksmith3780
    @dereksmith3780 День назад

    Guess it's time to upgrade to a 7/16 cam bolt and double pin the cam. Also need red loctite on bolt. I just had a similar failure except the woodruff key on my crank slid out.. no fun.

  • @stewartlemon5702
    @stewartlemon5702 День назад

    Good solid imfo in this video .

  • @allenwilliams87
    @allenwilliams87 День назад

    Could you add another dowel? Kinda like the dual key way crank snouts for blower stuff. But I've never seen a cams dowel sheared.

  • @DeanPetersen-o4h
    @DeanPetersen-o4h 22 часа назад

    While the dual pin deal is common and recommended by many well respected engine builders that is not the complete answer. it is absolutely critical that adequate clamping force from the bolt is achieved. i have seen where the pin has been to long, ends up sticking out the front of the cam gear and holds up the washer. I have seen soft washers flex and lose tension, i have seen bolts that bottom out in the cam before they are tight on the gear.. All possible contributors to this unfortunately common failure point on ford cams,, not just small blocks. the dual pin scenario is not a magic cure for all.

  • @schexnayderracingchannel8552
    @schexnayderracingchannel8552 День назад

    Definitely needs 2 pins and a 7/16” fine thread bolt with hard washer👍 😁

  • @boostedperformance4529
    @boostedperformance4529 День назад +5

    In the red car you should do a Godzilla or a coyote Gen 2 or 3 coyote keep it stock put bigger injectors and a twin turbo setup. That would be cool I know it always comes down to money I was just thinking of a coyote because you don't have to do nothing to them. 1000hp stock coyote

    • @Motorsportkyle
      @Motorsportkyle  День назад +3

      @@boostedperformance4529 yeah the coyote swap is pretty attractive to me 🤔

    • @sneezinhatch
      @sneezinhatch День назад

      Do a 4.6 mod motor nothing sounds better or closer has 100s of smashed 2006 and up mustangs

    • @ummduhgmail
      @ummduhgmail День назад

      I'm pretty sure he's well north of 1k already, and the coyote will need all the same stuff he's already done at that point. It'd rev easier though.

    • @joshuaearnheart2756
      @joshuaearnheart2756 День назад

      @@Motorsportkyleyal should build a set of billet heads for the coyote

    • @chuckfoye4563
      @chuckfoye4563 День назад

      ​@@Motorsportkyle
      Do it..the initial cost may be higher, but no more valvetrain issues like a LS or SBF, and you can let it est up high with no issued. There's a learning curve, especially with the heads/porting, but embrace the future. 2V pushrod has peaked..there are almost no gains left to find, and a whole bunch of negatives (valvetrain). You are obviously going to take over SMRE someday..get ahead of the curve now.

  • @sbcbuilder4279
    @sbcbuilder4279 День назад

    Talk to Dewey, he knows a guy who can fix that. Make sure you use the right kind of "snake oil" when you reinstall the cam on that sick horse.

  • @JohnRoberts71
    @JohnRoberts71 День назад

    Great content thanks for sharing

  • @HeidiFegles
    @HeidiFegles День назад

    It would be nice to machine the dowel for a bigger stronger one. You should have some availability to do that.

  • @michaelosborne513
    @michaelosborne513 День назад

    Don't feel bad about weather Kyle it's 17 degrees in Kentucky tonight .

  • @CJ5EVOLUTION
    @CJ5EVOLUTION 21 час назад

    The smart a## face of Steve, priceless! 😂😂😂

  • @STUART5.7
    @STUART5.7 День назад

    Hello Kyle, gives you some time to consider your options!

  • @scotthultin7769
    @scotthultin7769 День назад

    1,320 👍's up Kyle Morris thank you for sharing 🤗

  • @neshpro6521
    @neshpro6521 День назад

    Ditch the small block, slap in a brand new SMX! That’s what Steve said with that expression!

    • @funfun8095
      @funfun8095 День назад +1

      I don't think he has 125k to spend on an engine, let alone, where you can only get replacement parts, from one supplier!

    • @neshpro6521
      @neshpro6521 День назад

      @ it only takes like 80 hours to run the program! Next time Steve leaves out of town he should fire up the cnc!

  • @boostedperformance4529
    @boostedperformance4529 День назад

    Get the valves done and a new dowelpin

  • @Mike-FoxsAbroad
    @Mike-FoxsAbroad День назад

    Was that capscrew bolt that was retaining the timing chain to the camshaft a grade 8 bolt? Doubtful that the pin sheared first. My guess is the bolt loosened and the pin shearing was secondary.

  • @OldDirtGuy
    @OldDirtGuy День назад

    Yeah, most guy like the one dowel idea. But obviously your little skinny dowel is not enough to give you full pleasure in the long term. Kudos for it being hard enough to fracture like that. You must really love your...car.
    Full disclosure. I might be a Chevy guy . But I did have a '68 Mustang convertible. I sold it because the local Ford guys didn't like the way that I drove the thing. It was in really good shape and, well, it's a Ford...I didn't treat it that way. I replaced it with a E30 convert. People so of rather see you thrash those things.

  • @acurarl9929
    @acurarl9929 День назад +1

    Do you think you forgot to tighten the cam gear witch sheared the dowel pin!? Will you mark ea piston to the hole you pull them out of because of the line to line coating being worn to ea cylinder specifically now??

  • @stevearsenault4898
    @stevearsenault4898 23 часа назад

    Why change the double roller chain drive it didn't fail you. The dowel pin did, Double it, as you should do with the gear and belt, but I feel the belt may be more forgiving?

  • @victormackenzie-davis2711
    @victormackenzie-davis2711 День назад

    So that is what east coast snow looks like, kinda wet. I saw a guy use a sprinkle that follows over a hose looked like a tractor t parked his car over the hose and ran the sprinkler back and forth cleaned it like a pressure washer. Ever seen that?

  • @Darren-r9b
    @Darren-r9b День назад

    Nice Cameo DAD!!!!! Lol! edit. New scriber, you missed major carnage.

  • @kennynelson2269
    @kennynelson2269 День назад

    The dreaded dowel pin on the small block ford's.. I hate it got ya man.. but don't feel alone its gotten many of us.. lol

  • @darrenrasmussen124
    @darrenrasmussen124 День назад +1

    Cool. 100% Do it.😀

  • @crazylarryjr
    @crazylarryjr День назад

    When you showed the engine turning over i saw the first rocker on the passenger side moving, I fully expected you broke the camshaft

  • @bobbyholmes3985
    @bobbyholmes3985 День назад

    Tri I pin will help stop that problem.

  • @mrbigw100
    @mrbigw100 День назад +1

    Looks like a SML for Christmas 😂

  • @nymustang5084
    @nymustang5084 День назад +3

    Take sugar mama to sick week?
    Also you run Antifreeze/coolant while on the track?

  • @yorkenworthy
    @yorkenworthy День назад

    Every time that’s happened to me I always bust the front off the camshaft

  • @apocolypse11
    @apocolypse11 День назад

    Pretend to break stuff to add more power = win 😊

  • @danielhoma8081
    @danielhoma8081 День назад

    We ford guys usally dual pin the timing gears.

  • @skippedlink
    @skippedlink День назад

    Now double pin it along with the upper sprocket & you’re good to go.

  • @scotthultin7769
    @scotthultin7769 День назад

    Kyle I have no idea I never work on a Ford with that being said
    A bad day racing is a better day than working

  • @kenmackay9276
    @kenmackay9276 День назад +21

    Kyle , Australia calling , mate stick a Ford Barra in it . We would love to see that , plus Steve is doing that Barra in the shop . 🎉❤Barra Power . Let's Go 😊

    • @dajobra
      @dajobra День назад +4

      *Amsterdam was added to the call. Yes, Barra for the win.

    • @STUART5.7
      @STUART5.7 День назад +3

      Barra is missing 2 cylinders!

    • @kenmackay9276
      @kenmackay9276 День назад +2

      @@STUART5.7 but lighter and better power for Drag and Drive .

    • @Berm_Blaster
      @Berm_Blaster День назад +2

      Would be pretty sweet but I don't see him doing it since SM is mainly about V8s

    • @knowbull5hit590
      @knowbull5hit590 День назад +2

      @@kenmackay9276 a barra is not lighter than a small block Windsor

  • @bdass68ss
    @bdass68ss День назад

    Love the video..have to ask what I'm sure has been asked many times. Do you really like ford products or did it start during a hate dad rebellion time like we've all had..lol. just curious,not judging really

  • @ablejohnson
    @ablejohnson День назад

    Murica F'Yeah 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

  • @ericstevens-te8xo
    @ericstevens-te8xo День назад

    Maybe a 363???

  • @jasonhovey815
    @jasonhovey815 День назад

    Glad it’s not catastrophic and just a few valves. What was wrong with the other Mustang that was making it Skip you never said.

  • @jeffmckc29
    @jeffmckc29 День назад

    I drive a roll pin in, and then another inside that roll pin

  • @michaelloth5870
    @michaelloth5870 День назад

    I am a Mopar guy so I was curious where is the dowel pin? Now I know. A Mopar cam has a longer snout than yours and uses a keyway. I have never seen one sheer. I am an engine guy so I'm curious about everything engine related. Does the belt drive use the same dowel pin? If so, you still have the same problem I believe?

  • @edwardrock1666
    @edwardrock1666 День назад +4

    Love blueberry, great dragger. Glad you didn't have a bunch of damage brother.

  • @59vaughn
    @59vaughn День назад

    Cherry...?!??....not chili pepper.?....cherry??....good grief....they just gonna bust innit.....oh my.....😂

  • @gatorred157
    @gatorred157 День назад

    What BROKE my Small Block Ford? i know why it broke grand-mom test drove for ice-cream! like pops wagon! it don't fail it great machine to keep!

  • @bobbarker3781
    @bobbarker3781 23 часа назад

    Dowel pin ? Or is it a shear pin ? I have worked on equipment with shear pins built-in to them. So when bad things happen it acts like a fuse and tries to keep damage in check

  • @scottromano6998
    @scottromano6998 День назад

    I sheared a pin in my driveway loading the car on the trailer

  • @derekt5216
    @derekt5216 День назад

    Kyle, what oil pump in your twin turbo sbf? SV or HV?

  • @rogerhowell6230
    @rogerhowell6230 День назад

    So, do you double dowell the next drive, or key it?

  • @jeffnevius
    @jeffnevius День назад +1

    I weld a nut on the dowl and pull it out.

    • @jimmanis6717
      @jimmanis6717 День назад

      Probably have to use a small endmill and peck it out.

  • @riverdragonmarineservice441
    @riverdragonmarineservice441 День назад

    single cam bolt curse.

  • @ldnwholesale8552
    @ldnwholesale8552 День назад

    Belt drive is better as it takes a lot of harmonics out of the entire engine. That is where gears are poor, worse than a chain.
    That cam bolt was loose. There was your problem

  • @yorkenworthy
    @yorkenworthy День назад

    You broke the camshaft

  • @Ron_Masterjohn
    @Ron_Masterjohn День назад

    ❤❤❤Dewey❤❤❤

  • @kljunatic8157
    @kljunatic8157 День назад +1

    you can run radiator fluid on the track?

    • @Motorsportkyle
      @Motorsportkyle  День назад +1

      @@kljunatic8157 no you cant! I put coolant in it before it got freezing outside

  • @upptowne
    @upptowne День назад

    A cameo by Dad!