after an unintentional break... I'm back to discuss why popular youtuber stop uploading, in my opinion!! TIME STAMPS BELOW: 0:00 - intro 1:27 - what it's like to "blow up" on youtube 3:13 - quality or quantity of uploads? 4:10 - popular youtubers can afford to take breaks 5:10 - increased pressure & perfectionism 7:34 - the longer since the last upload, the more pressure 8:12 - Safiya Nygaard's "where have we been?" blog post 10:14 - fear of criticism, self-doubt, & overthinking 13:19 - lose passion, run out of ideas, burnout 14:15 - personal issues 14:44 - move on to projects outside of youtube 17:01 - move on to instagram, tik tok, twitch, etc 18:18 - moving from main channel to second channel 19:58 - from main to vlog channel 21:17 - the value and support of Patreon 22:15 - content creators are craving smaller, more intimate spaces again 24:13 - same reasons people have finstas 25:56 - shifting priorities 26:33 - btw some youtubers are making bank on adsense even without posting 29:31 - submit your small channels to my google submission form!!!
This pops up in my recommended... I think.... Tiffany is telling me to post a video... 😂😂 Thank you for your well balanced analysis of the reasons behind people may stop/slow down on uploading! I think people forget that many who 'became a big RUclipsr' did not necessarily set out for it to become their lifetime 40+ year career like in the traditional job sphere. E.g. once a young worker gets settled in the average corporate job, they start planning their career trajectory in that industry, looking into group insurance/pension offered by their employer etc, because they expect to work there or in that industry until they retire when they're a senior. The lifespan of a RUclipsr is much shorter for so many reasons but I think one of them is that few RUclipsrs really sought out on this path thinking they would do it forever.
I was going to comment that meme like "I'm in this image and I don't like it" but then I turned out to literally be in it and I didn't want to sound like I was actually angry so I guess I'll just comment like, Yeah
and now you’re in the comments too! 💗 this comment section has had the most youtubers commenting i’ve ever seen which is cute, but they’re all a little bittersweet bc they’re relating to the stress and commenting their own experiences.
I miss Ashley's (bestdressed) videos so much. they were like me self-care ritual where I could at least pretend to hang out with the cool "older sister" type girl but then her videos got less and less frequent. I was really disappointed, but then in her most recent video, she talked about *having to move out of her apartment* because she was uncomfortable with a fan stalking her apartment to ask her out. I get it now. posting content to RUclips isn't worth the stress, mental health, and *SAFTEY* of people I genuinely wish the best for (or anyone for that matter) So, Ashley if you read this, I hope you do whatever you feel is best for you. you're content is wonderful but so are you. YOU ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR CONTENT!!!
@@monevrar7728 It was in her latest undecorating apartment video. She said a fan discovered what her building was and was able to find her apartment by the window decorations. She woke up one morning to find a note on her fire escape: "You seem so hot and funny in your videos. will you go out with me? I promise I won't be an axe murder and dump you in the woods lol"
I really miss Safiya. Her content is really binge worthy. Also, I feel SimplyNailogical has really taken over the JennaMarbles space ever since she left.
I feel like SimplyNailogical is too Holo Taco focused now so I’m not as into it since I’m not super into her brand. Which like I don’t blame Cristine, get that money
@@trtotally yesss I actually prefer their podcasts and stopped watching her regular uploads, I feel like the content on the pod is much closer to just commentary stuff which I like
Not sure if it’s just me, but if my favourite creator stops posting, I won’t necessarily think they’re lazy or ungrateful. I’ll think “Oh I wonder if there’s something wrong” or “Oh I miss their content but I’m excited for them to return”. As a viewer, to all the creators who may be struggling with this, know that so many of your viewers eagerly await new content and won’t judge you at all! Edit: super interesting video!! So well done
im only halfway through and i LOVE this video! you've put how i feel into words (especially the anxiety / health anxiety stopping you being able to work). I appreciate you!
Micarah Tewers is one who def does quality over quantity. Her personality actually reminds me a lot of you despite the fact that her content is not at all like yours. She doesn’t post often but I found her VERY early and watched her channel explode!
Remember when RUclips was just people uploading what they wanted, when they wanted to and there wasn’t this pressure to be like a full on tv show for everyone each week?
She was popular immediately on her literal first video, when I saw the hype it was getting, I was so amazed! I don't see her pop up on my homepage as often or check in as frequently now :( Her videos were so good and she deserves more love nowadays :(
wow yes, that was quite the blow-up. Did you see her interview with Philip DeFranco? I don't think Janelle couldn't cope with it. It just came as a surprise to her. Don't forget that it was never her intention to become a full-time RUclipsr or anything like that.
@@thechrisverhoeven yea maybe? I think most of it still applies though. She started making only commercials videos and her supporters weren’t happy with her posting schedule. It’s better to grow slowly.
Something which high subscriber count RUclipsrs have to remember and acknowledge is that you are essentially a one man show. YOU are the script writer, the director, the actor (the talent), the tech support, the editor, and the post production team. When you’re feeling the burnout and the self doubt from not keeping up on top of schedule, you have to remember that the weekly TV shows have multiple people behind the scenes making sure it gets out there on time. You think the TV show hosts come up with the weekly content? They have a team dedicated just for brainstorming ideas and organizing the content. You are already doing a lot even if you only upload once a month. Give yourself credit for that.
"Until you post a video. it doesn't feel like you've done anything." As a writer. I 1000% feel this. I can write 1,000 words but if I don't show it to someone, then I feel like I've done nothing.
As a fanfic writer who struggles with posting consistently, a lot of the stuff you said about perfectionism and pressure to post really resonated with me.
I think that with the rise of social media and their role in children growing up there should be a "social media basics and etiquette" class in schools. We can no longer depend on what each parent knows and what each parent is willing to tell their children, but we need children to be educated on these topics. I see many comments from kids on big channels pressuring for face reveals, and more content, and "your content used to be better" that are a mix of kids not knowing how to behave online, not realising content creators are people too, and not understanding how to respect the creator's choices. Education is everything. Of course that's great hypothetically, but being in a country with absolutely no sex ed in schools (not even abstinence only) this will not happen at least for the next twenty years. But alas, a girl can dream.
I was just talking about this yesterday! Me and some friends were discussing how different people text and how some apparently don't know the unspoken rules of texting (for example using periods in text is usually seen as more serious and almost mad and some older people don't know that) and how it would be so helpful if beyond learning about our own language and a foreign language in school we could also have a chapter about internet talk and internet etiquette!
such a good video! even though I am still a small youtuber, I definitely feel like I'm stuck sometimes making specific videos because I know people aren't going to watch other ones. the expectations even for me sometimes can be overwhelming. 👏👏👏
this really made me check myself as a viewer honestly. while intuitively i know that the people i'm watching have lives outside of their screens and deal with the pressures and repercussions of that, i still find myself having critical thoughts when i see someone get really successful (at least how it appears from the outside) and stop posting. also for someone who doesn't make RUclips content, given the small amount of time it takes to watch a video, it's easy to minimize the amount of thought and effort it takes to make one out of ignorance and lack of experience. ah, another good Tiffany vid that gives you that sweet sweet perspective.
this anticipation of "criticism" - nowadays violent and brutal commentary at the verge of abuse, really - is why I never started speaking publicly. Still working on building up the strength in my heart to deal with it 💜
To all RUclipsrs reading this: You are doing great! Thanks for putting out your creative work! I’m greatful for the entertainment you provide! Thank you all!
It takes so much self-motivation to work for one's self and to constantly create content. We need to remember that we need to step back and always keep in mind that RUclipsrs are human with things that can come up for them at any moment. Thank you for this reminder, Tiffany.
honestly as a viewer i’m just excited to see a creator come back regardless of what they post. i find myself being overly supportive sometimes when a creator i love posts after a long time to make them feel welcome and take off some of the pressure.
Love this! Been feelings this lately... especially with being a streamer who was on Mixer, a platform that completely died and disappeared. Seeing all that disappear overnight was really hard on motivation.
this is so interesting, because Instagram feels so official to me and I stopped posting there and just moved to tiktok where everything feels more relaxed
That's very interesting. I think instagram might make the same change that facebook did. More and more older and more "professional" people got on the platform, and use their accounts kind of like business cards, and that pushes out younger and more creative type people who "just want to have fun". Super interesting.
I was thinking finsta as you were talking; great that you made that connection! Love your content! Also as a side note, what you're describing applies way beyond RUclips too (although it's cool that you can be self reflective like that); burnout and impostor syndrome are common across many areas where you become high profile and feel a lot of expectations on you quickly (musical performance, academia, and more). It's easy to get intimidated by our own best selves and need an escape. If only we could blend our instas and finstas though it might help dispel the misplaced self-imposed expectation that we have to keep our public selves perfect (though I can't imagine what receiving thousands of haters must feel like, which is pretty unique to online communities or showbiz)
I’m a big true crime guy and I noticed “ that chapter “ wasn’t recommended at all anymore in the side bar . I thought he quit or something. You were very informative sbout the algorithm I checked briefly last weeek snd he still posts at his normal rate snd gets good views….weird ! And random ! Like so much of RUclips
Something I have never understood is why big youtubers don't have someone else look at their comments so they don't have to. They could go through the compliments, give the actual helpful feedback to the creator, block whoever needs it, and not pass on the unhelpful stuff.
The amount of my faves in this video and commenting makes me think of the community of old RUclips, which is lovely. This video is really insightful, as someone who has never created on RUclips or know anyone personally who does. And as someone who dislikes livestreams and podcasts (just personal preference, that style of content just isn't for me, but I'm so glad my faves get to make the content they love, even if it's not the medium for me) it's been interesting, and to some extent disappointing to see such a shift toward that way, though it's completely understandable and I think creators should do what makes them happy and creative and fulfilled. Love your content
I love it when people make second channels for their more casual and laid-back content. It seems like a nice balance between the perfectionism of the creator and the need to post more.
on the topic of twitch streamers who re-post their content on youtube, there is a brazilian youtuber called casimiro who does that and he's become an absolute phenomenon this year. he reacts to random stuff on twitch (we're talking about 5 hour long livestreams) and it's very low quality but he just reached 1M subscribers on youtube and there isn't a single person in brazil who hasn't heard of him
Another trend I've seen with content creators craving smaller, intimate spaces is the fact that big twitch streamers are now creating alt accounts to experience being a small streamer again or to stream in different categories than their main
I’ve gotten my algorithm to a point where it recommends a lot of diverse people and small channels. I’m so happy about it cause it allows me to see lots of different opinions and types of people.
It's so weird that I experience the exact same feelings in academia. My therapist diagnosed me with PTSD due to 10+ years of academic struggle for almost the same reasons; at around 12 minutes into this video I got very triggered and had to quit watching. I've been totally frozen for more than a year, doing absolutely nothing. It makes me feel like a lot of people go though very similar feelings in their careers but not everyone can afford to take some time to heal from all these. They either find their own way out of this mess or get desensitivized somehow, both at which I apparently failed.
There's 2 youtube channels I watched that disappeared. The first was Popularmmos, but his disappearance is understandable because of the divorce and all the controversies. The second one is NewScapePro, who just randomly disappeared with very little explanation.
When I was in school, I used to watch RUclips everyday, but now as a graduate who's working, I just don't have the time. I find it more digest when you tubers I follow take their time to do a video and don't post often. It allows me to watch all the youtubers I like without feeling behind and missing things. So I personally like that youtubers are taking a step back. It gives everyone room to breath.
Honestly that’s why really appreciate channels like Game Theory and Food Theory, because MatPat has run weekly uploads for over 9 years on 5 channels without ever taking a break
I always want to provide grace to content creators cause I can't imagine how this kind of work impacts folks. One channel that I am a huge fan of is communitychannel, and I know that she stepped away for years due to impacts on mental health. I try to leave comments of twitter replies that say things like "don't apologize for taking care of yourself" or "thank you for giving what you can" cause at the end of the day, it's still a job for some people and showing up to the office sucks. On the other hand, there is a part of me that has some criticism when it comes to creators being supported by members of their community financially that don't produce content but rake in a lot of money. I think a lot of "breadtube" has this issue, and I think it starts to get very complicated when we look at identities at play, the privilege, etc. The content they make is usually very difficult and needs high levels of research, but there's still something about it that rubs me the wrong way when they get thousands of dollars through Patreon and can comfortably live while making maybe one to three videos a year. There also isn't that much in the way of communication, or things get delayed with no follow up, things like that. Also I am more than willing to be corrected on this! It's just the impression I have gotten following people in other spaces outside RUclips. Overall, it's complicated, and we are still learning how this part of the world still works.
@@thehapagirl92 Yeah, she makes 1 million+ a year through RUclips and can make good money through posting simple instagram ads once or twice a week. No reason for her to keep working really, especially when she has always talked about how she wants to retire young and rich
I haven't watched the whole video yet but I'm pretty sure the reason Ashley (bestdressed) stopped posting is bc shes moving apartments. She's still active on Instagram unlike sayfia and others.
I sure hope so I sooo miss her content but after watching this video I totally understand why she may want out (and I’m ok with that too). Thanks Tiffany for this video!
It’s such a strange phenomenon - to produce a video, often singlehandedly, for hundreds, thousands, millions of people to watch. There has never before in history been a platform to reach and interact with so many people while having personal creative freedom. But that’s an insane amount of pressure to live up to. In my experience, creativity and ‘let’s push out as much content as humanly possible!’ don’t go together very well.
"what do you do with all that money?" literally why i still like watching the vlogbrothers they've been making videos for 10+ years now and they're work with partner's in health and how upfront they are about it makes me genuinely excited to keep watching their videos on top of love for their content
This is too accurate. I started a youtube channel on December 2016. Got to 1000 subs pretty quickly. Reaching ONE thousand subscribers was too much for me to handle apparently. I haven't posted since.
I do the overthinking what you say in my everyday life. It’s something I’m working through with my therapist, but it’s definitely made me an introvert where I used to be an extrovert because talking to people is exhausting. My full sympathy goes out to anyone else feeling like this. It’s hard for me, and I’m not in front of a huge audience.
Hi Tiffany, what you've mentioned about running out of ideas, I also think it has to do with having a niche. I see all of the RUclips expert channels talk about that you do need to pick a specific niche and stick to it if you want to grow. But I also think that can be the downfall, because what if you no longer enjoy that kind of content? Then you have to pivot, which makes people probably unsubscribe. But when you start a broader channel, like Kelly Stamps, and just order your content into different categories (playlists), it would be much easier to make a video, since you can make videos about different things.
I'm not even a big youtuber and I've dealt with almost EVERYTHING in here. It's such a struggle just uploading sometimes because there's always pressure that I'm not good enough to become a "popular" youtuber. Like sometimes I just overthink everything and I'm like what if I blow up and then randomly my editing gets terrible! Anyway I really enjoyed this video it just really shows that everyone struggles with youtube.
being a successful small channel is such a weird flex because people applaud you for having quality content cause it's not expected and the community feels like a fun secret club. in the beginning, everyone wants to see you win but once you get huge that's when people start to turn on you or want to "take you down".
This is a great way of putting it. It’s that switch from the universally popular ‘underdog’ story to becoming another form of the ‘status quo’. Maintaining that golden balance found between the two extremes seems like you’re on a set timer, although obviously some creators can speed up the process of ‘selling out’ by dramatically changing their set up, or, if a vlog channel, showcasing a much wealthier lifestyle as a result of their fame. That disconnect, however substantial, is the key to the eventual shift in perception
Maybe it’s just me, but when content creators (even ones I’m subscribed to) stop posting I literally forget them and forget how long it’s been. Then when they finally post again I am just happy and pleasantly surprised to see them again. People who put pressure on creators to have a constant output need other hobbies. Jfc.
same! My life is pretty busy anyway so i’m not exactly going to notice if one channel i’m subscribed to hasn’t uploaded recently. I hadn’t even noticed that Tiffany was gone! This video was definitely a pleasant surprise though :)
One thing I'd say is that early RUclipsrs actually *didn't* think about careers beyond RUclips for the most part, because we were just pissing about for fun. So it wasn't that we thought we'd use RUclips to do something more legit. We had zero plan! Because RUclips wasn't anything to do with income! Imagine.
Yes absolutely! I remember watching (and making) so many videos filled to the brim with copyrighted music bc why not?? It was a very fun time. Even when the partner program started, I think it was a few years before it became widely available
Considering early RUclips had no way to make money 100% this is true. I have a friend that did RUclips News back in the day before being monetized and worked with me at Maker. During our time at Maker he stopped his channel completely and moved onto a career behind the scenes in gaming even after he monetized because he knew it wasn't forever, it wasn't fun anymore, and the mental side of being on all the time is hard. He's 100% happier now, doesn't face criticism, and can enjoy his hobby of hiking. For every RUclipsr trying to stay in the public eye is hard to even for traditional celebs the constant barrage of criticism and people being generally creepy can really tear down your mental health so more often than not I found they went their own way for their own mental health and some have gone on to better careers. Though for others they had a harder time transitioning off RUclips and may still do occasional uploads, though I have no idea where they are now. I think the major lesson I learned from my years working behind the scenes is that if you do make it on RUclips find a way to diversify your ability to make money and if need be go back to school or find a solid career path that has nothing to do with being on all the time.
i definitely think people do place certain expectations on big youtubers to maintain a level of "sameness" over multiple years (an unrealistic standard to apply to anyone) but at the same time, there have been so many trends on youtube (comedy skit channels, curated lifestyle vloggers, "relatable" lifestyle vloggers, now i think commentary channels are the most popular) where people who do the "outdated" kind of content lose favorability with the algorithm. it's a catch-22. but i also totally agree that the "woe is me" youtuber whining is tone deaf, and even those i've watched for a long time who have lost viewerships over the years still get hefty sponsorship deals/outside-of-RUclips opportunities so it's not too bad for them either.
also i totally agree with everything, but especially the part where you talk about "the underrated to quickly overrated" pipeline. i definitely get meaner comments now than when i started because people think that because i have a bigger platform, i "won't see" the remarks or something and the comment section is viewed as a free for all vs. a place to genuinely discuss (i'm speaking about a minority though!). oh and thanks for the b-roll shoutout tiffany! 🥺
Yesss the (mean) commenters that don’t expect you’ll read their posts! Sometimes I’ve replied and they’re like “oops sorry I didn’t think you’d see this”
I’m honestly never mad because someone doesn’t upload, I’m never aware on what schedule RUclipsrs are on anyways 😌 Every day it’s a nice surprise who uploads for me ☺️
Yes! Besides I follow too many channels to notice when they don't post, most of the time and unfollow people randomly of they don't fit with me and my life now, not because the stopped uploading.
For bestdressed specifically I feel like her living alone in a pandemic for a long time, having a stalker and then moving again may have had an impact... I hope she's ok, I love her videos.
@@leticiaabreu2815 Yeah, it was getting insane... I respect her taking time off, I just kinda hope she will return one day? I miss seeing her videos, but ofc her happiness comes first.
Omggggg sameee I loved her soooo much and her vids were soo fun to me. I literally miss watching her every now and then so I watch older uploads. I really hope she returns tho
It feels similar to how people adore small/indie bands when they have a small audience but when they get too “mainstream” or gain a larger fanbase they’re considered “sellouts.” Everyone loves the underdog and will say they deserve more success until they get it and then they’re not a fun secret anymore
Ugh yeah this is so annoying. I actually discovered some now "big"/popular RUclipsrs when they were just starting out, and it's crazy how the tide suddenly shifts from being very encouraging to thinking they are "overrated". Granted, the people who think they are overrated are probably not the original fans, but it's clear they got popular for a reason.
I see the same phenomenon in the metal community as a metalhead. people love underdog bands and hail them to be the greatest, say that they deserve more success.. then they get that success and old fans bіtсh about this band "selling out". like what _do_ you want, Kyle? it's exactly what had happened with Metallica.
@@larsswig912 Okay but like, i get it. The sheer frustration of someone going "oh you found them through ________" is just so annoying. Like Absofacto being a good example. I loved his shit back in 2013 but i can't listen to it publicly anymore without people mentioning that they heard it on tiktok and things like that. It hurts because when it was you and a few thousand people rather than millions, you felt more connected to the artist and to the people who were in that community. It is irrational, but the best way i can describe the feeling is like an unwanted step parent. The new fans aren't like the ones you are used to, they feel awkward and different and very out of place. It takes time to adjust to it, but eventually both get along.
@@moose6815 oh I get it. but there are niche sub-communities for even Metallica fans that you can find, ones that are actual die hard fans who dig into everything about the band, make analyses about the music and stuff, unlike the casual ones. so that's cool :) if you just stay away from the mainstream section of whatever fandom, I don't think you'd come across the tik tok people
I am still amazed that noone mentioned filthy frank/ joji... the guy invented the harlem shake and completely ditched youtube to become a pretty popular singer. I watched the guy bake a hair cake with idubbz and the australian guy (forgot his name), eat it, vomit on camera (and eat said vomit) and now he makes great musik. Sometimes creators get tired of only showing one part of their creativity or they grow out of it. I think he would have been a good example to be mentioned here, even though his departure from youtube is not very recent.
Very comprehensive summary. I don't do RUclips full time and yet I can totally see how the pressure (from yourself and others) increases over time - this and the workload are elements that viewers don't always realize/see. And the pace is sprint-like, while it actually should be a marathon.
This video made me feel so CALM because jokes on us: we're all feeling the same things and worrying about the same things and are all on that precarious edge! It's so solidifying to hear these career anxieties said out loud! And then to scroll down and see so many amazing RUclipsrs feeling the same way.
dangelo was on twitch yesterday saying something along the lines of how he had a realisation of not needing to make a video on every youtube drama or trending topic, chat was being supportive cos hes got a great audience. but i wish more audiences were more like that, i know its more normalised these days to have more support if your saying you need a mental health break, especially compared back to the danisnotonfire days, but still needs more normalisation of youtubers taking breaks, and yay for therapy. sorry this was very stream of consciousness disclaimer: very paraphrased what i said bout dangelo i was jus browsing twitch it was a quick pop in
@@KandraOfDreadlight He talked about that on the stream he did on Tuesday, he was talking about doing other things than just his current commentary basically(wants to do growth and exploration).
@@KandraOfDreadlight he said he’s mostly going to be continuing commentary in 2021 but will shift to something else next year. (Music? Art? Modeling? Who knows!)
I think RUclipsrs are WAY harder on themselves than necessary. I'm particularly thinking of Safiya and the schedules that she sets for herself and then beats herself up if she doesn't meet them. As a viewer, I really couldn't care less if a video comes out on a specific day of the week. I honestly don't know the upload schedule of any of my subscriptions; I'm just happy when I look and see a video from them. I think to be a successful RUclipsr, you have to be super self-motived and driven and that can create internal pressures that lead to burn-out.
I think part of the issue is that being self-employed (which is what RUclipsrs do) requires a lot of self-motivation. So if you fall behind your deadlines you feel like you aren't accomplishing as much as you used to. But I really think that Safiyaa can afford to take breaks. Her content is great. I don't think RUclipsrs should burn themselves out
Yeah, the line between healthy drive & motivation and unhealthy pressure is so thin. I remember reading Safiya's blog post and just thinking, "poor girl needs a therapist and a nice long break!". In such a public facing position, when so much of your personality and life is up for judgement, you really need a strong support system to help sort out what is and isn't helpful. It seems a lot of RUclipsrs who consistently burn out or have issues putting out work always have some tipping point where they need to come to grips with that sort of thing. Definitely not their fault - 15 years ago this kind of job didn't even exist! We're all figuring out what pressures and pitfalls come with social media fame as it comes, for sure. In Safiya's case I hope she can find a way to move forward constructively
Agreed. The amount of RUclips content a creator posts is a personal choice based on multiple factors. No one should believe the creators owe them. It is okay to miss them though.
Exactly. Like I follow a lot of people and I have no idea what their schedule is. I am just happy when they upload because it's always a nice surprise. (Like this video haha). I feel like youtubers should work up a pace that works for them. As your followers, we understand. And seek help or rest before burnout. Butnout isn't fun in any job or occupation.
It's always fascinated me how people turn on creators, without being prompted by a scandal or anything. It's almost as if there's a threshold of how many followers you can have before you're overrated. Be successful, but not that successful! Must be so frustrating
I think it's the parasocial relationship. You want your "best friend" to succeed at what they do, but once they do, you feel more like "one with the crowd" as if you've lost that "friendship" because that person is too popular. It's also the "I was here in the early days" mentality, you like having a fave that nobody knows, that's indie, but once they're popular or mainstream they become "basic" and you can't flex your unusual and ✨ different✨ taste in (what the fave does). The thing I could compare it with is gamers gatekeeping gaming because "they were there when it wasn't cool" so people who recently started (especially women) are seen as inferior.
Honestly, the word overrated is so overrated 🙄🙄🙄 people throw that word around like it’s nothing. It seems like every time a person doesn’t like some one or gets tired of them, or thinks they’ve received too much love and attention all of a sudden they’re “overrated”. They judge other people for liking them a lot and don’t stop to think that maybe those other people like them because they have different preferences. Overall, people are obsessed with the “underdog”. The hidden gem that they feel doesn’t receive any attention. But when that underdog makes it to the top people turn against them and say stuff like “you’ve changed. You’re not the same anymore. You’re not relatable.” Well uhhh......DUH. Millions of subscribers, fans, views, and money of course will change someone who never had that before. And even without YT, people “changing” is a natural and completely normal part of life and growing up. I don’t freaking get it.
The way people turned on bestdressed... yeah that came out of no where. I remember a few months ago I was trolling around RUclips and I found a “bestdressed is problematic” video and I remember being super confused...
Yeah, I also think when they take breaks, it makes room for smaller creators to grow an audience. They already make a lot of money. Let other people shine! Lol
Oh hey something I actually have personal experience with (kinda)! I'm a medium sized channel and I stopped posting for months because a) I realized that I didn't enjoy making the kind of videos that made my channel blow up, and b) I don't actually want to do youtube as a full time job so my motivation to do something on here I'm not crazy about is VERY low. I'm in the process of switching up my content right now and it feels great to get back to making stuff that's not a slog to produce
*Laganja Estranja voice* I FEEL VERY ATTACKED LOL jkjk But seriously, thank you for this. I had/am having such an interesting time "blowing up" as the kids say. But that point about research and not wanting to post a video that doesn't have as much of it...AN ENTIRE MOOD. I'm like, "Khadija, if you don't cite at least ONE scholarly essay do you even have the right to post this???" It's wild.
I love you! I love just listening to your opinions. I’d find videos listening to ramble about nothing soothing. You always have the right to comment on things
I would watch you rant about a bird you saw for 20 minutes no questions asked, I love your in depth analysis but sometimes you just want to hang with your Auntie you know? -From a newly subbed nibling
Hahaha after watching your essays I’m like... wow I need to read more. Brb heading to Google scholar!! but as a viewer I watch for your personality and your perspective, no pressure to be super academic all the time 💞
on the patreon note, MAKE ONE! the freedom is incredible. i really enjoy having it as a separate platform for not only the smaller community & connection i have with my viewers, but also because i don't have to be a slave to the algorithm LOL. also for me personally, i have struggled in the past with youtube demonetizing my content due to me talking about anything from bras to BLM sooooo it's really nice to not have to deal with that bs!
@@moonmaiden13 I'm a patreon for Christine McConnell, she's incredible and completely worth it. But that's the only person I have a patreon with. Just couldn't help myself. She is kinda unreal and so entertaining.
I think that people miss out on your content as they think it’s primarily books, while it’s actually learning from the first-hand experiences and lives of kids/folks with unique perspectives (often highlighting life with a particular condition etc.) I think many people who enjoy Anthony Padilla’s more recent style of interview content would really enjoy the conversations you have as well.
I don't know if it's because I'm a little older (32) and didn't grow up with social media, but when RUclipsrs I like stop or infrequently upload I just shrug and say "this might suck a little but they ultimately don't owe me anything". I could never fathom being mad at a RUclipsr, who I don't pay a cent to watch, for not uploading. And there a dozens of others frequently uploading I can always watch instead. However, if I pay for someone's Patreon (or... Onlyfans haha) and they don't upload I'm not pleased because I'm directly paying them for content they're not providing. But even in that case I'm still not actively mad. The whole thing kinda reminds me of rock bands back in the day. When they're indie, people love and root for them to get more popular, but when they reach a higher level of fame, people get mad and say they sold out. Kind of a lose-lose.
Yes! As a 31 year old I totally can relate to your description! Plus, I didn't grow up with following RUclips channels at all. I remember we used it just for listening to music and maybe some super silly videos but that was it. I didn't feel attached to any creators. And now I have fun discovering specific channels but I don't have so many expectations.
Agree totally! (Especially with the end sentiment i hate when people do ads and people call them a “sell out” unless Ofc they have ever claimed to never want to do a sponsorship) I think I don’t 100% fall into this as lol I’m younger (19) but I have various interests and subscribe to different content so I’m definitely like you in the sense that when people start doing slower uploads I can move on, I will say like this video seeing those faces I do feel bad and miss them. (Mostly the ones that you’d watch every video too) I’m not gonna lose sleep over it but I definitely feel nostalgic from time to time. That’s my take lol
I completely agree with this sentiment too except In 19 and basically did grow up with youtube and social media. For me, its really just leaving a youtuber alone (or interacting with their other social medias) until they post again and then I get to watch.
I’m 31 and I totally agree! When a RUclipsr doesn’t upload fir a while I’m more likely to think good for them for taking a break or if they are absent for really long I start to worry a little about their (mental) health
I think it'll be interesting to see how things change in the future, with young people now considering "content creator" as a long-term career and planning for it. As a lot of people have mentioned, I think most of the original creators weren't planning on being RUclipsrs forever.
@@Mockingfray so you can only ever have sex with people who have the same views as you, even though it was clearly meant to be a one time thing? yikes, sounds like shaming a woman for her sexual life to me
I can't speak for everyone personally but I agree with Nailogicals comment in a sense where most of us didn't expect this to be their career as they started and SO so SO many of my youtuber friends have also started at a very young age, in highschool (me included). Doing this full time doesn't give you much breathing room in terms of figuring out what you want your actual career to look like and it causes a lot of burnout and hesitance 5-10 years down the line, since you become way too hyper focused on content creation to think of other, more secure avenues.
I have been on here 14 years. Golly it is difficult to keep it going unless our life changes too. The lack of career progression, engagement, marriage, new home content or pregnancy, in addition to my appearance changing due to illness... killed my following. The pressure to showcase life in an order to continue to grow... is overwhelming. If you dont adapt or cater, you die or slow and disappear. I've basically died out, but keep going for myself. The abuse, harassment and the stalking too its toll too. I had enough years ago and its had lasting impacts on everything in my life. The internet loved it when my Grandad was dying with cancer.... I still havent got over that yet. When my Mum was diagnosed last year, people told me they wanted her to die. The endless abuse changes how we are and feel about our lives, bodies and selves. It's not fun or safe anymore.
I remember your “she takes a photo” project! I was doing a 4-5 year long selfie everyday project too so it was really inspiring. I’m so so sorry you’ve faced so much harassment and abuse.
Just here to let you know I still follow you on IG and RUclips❤️ It kills me to see people be so rude to you 😔 Still here to support you since your photo-a-day post ✊
Sometimes your video in the loft when you danced around pops into my mind. Also, you introduced me to Doctor Who, which became my comfort series. Thank you Rebecca.💛
I remember having that small youtuber preference. I subbed to Joana Ceddia when she was SUPER small-like 200 subscribers small. Once she became "mainstream" it didn't feel like a cute little exclusive club anymore, and I found myself being less interested in her. I try to call myself out on it because it feels like such a "I'm not like other girls, I like small underground youtubers" thing. However I cannot deny the distance you feel when you start seeing big sub numbers, and I tend correlate that with being overrated, or changed, even when the content is as good and relatable as ever. I really gotta stop bleh
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with preferring smaller communities, you don't owe any creator your continuous support. You don't need to feel guilty about how you prefer to spend your time online, you can just move on to where you prefer to be, I think the problem is just criticizing creators for being successful, which is absurd because of course they want to be.
@@phosphenevision Yes I agree! I didnt make that point, but I definitely criticized them for being successful. I guess it was just me being bitter? Also I never felt shame for prefering smaller communities, it was that I saw it as superior to other people more popular choices. It was ridiculous, but yeh not trying to shame people for liking small creators.
Yeah i know what you mean, i like both big and small channels but small channels have the upside of an community where the youtuber for example answers to mist comments etc.
Not to be rude, but I’m pretty sure Joana blew up from her first Emma chamberlain video and gained around 50k subscribers within the first month of RUclips. She was only small for a very very short amount of time and the calibre of her videos didn’t really change all that much until the Brad Mondo phase.
one of the paradoxes of doing youtube FT is that it's NOT a 40-hour, 9-5 job yet thanks to ~capitalismo~ so many youtubers are still throttling to work as much as possible! IMO success as a self-employed content creator would look like LESS labor than my corporate job not more. tbh it's admirable that kelly stamps says she works 15 hours a week and is able to support herself and still grow her channel
this feels unrelated but i wanna see a wrestler named el capitalismo where it’s just a businessman who sends other people to fight his opponents and then takes the win
something really interesting that i was expecting you to bring up is a large majority of the creators you mentioned (especially in the beginning) are women. we’ve seen time and time again that women are more critically viewed on the internet - even (and especially) by other women. bestdressed and i are the same age and i’ve always loved her videos, and i miss her a lot, but her comments sections can be difficult to read - and i’m not even her. that absolutely has to take a toll (like saf mentioned) and makes other smaller, more positive platforms look much more enticing.
I 100% think this is what was/is driving Ashley from YT, I wasn't super early with her content but her comment section is pretty rough anymore with her videos. it makes me sad that she felt she could be so open about her mental health issues and people are still so harsh.
tbh this even applies to youtubers who are part of a minority or marginalized group: youtubers who are from the lgbt+ community or are people of color. theyre more prone to criticism or are usually regarded in such a high standard-if they underperform or make a mistake theyre suddenly a 'flop'.
I totally agree! I was an early subscriber and watching how the comment section changed overtime from supportive and delighted (her early videos have very refreshing social commentary that was pretty novel at that point) to overcritical and nitpicky was pretty heartbreaking because it changed the way she could express herself and obviously affected her confidence. I think also when people started to make ‘bestdressed problematic’ videos, this probably ate at her self esteem in a way that most people will never know about. I think it’s so sad that her fan base was obviously a huge part of the reason she left :(
Great point. People are so harsh on Ashley and I don’t know why. Nothing she does will please them. Even if she goes out of her way to acknowledge privilege and not step on anyone’s toes when she talks about her personal experiences, people seem set on taking everything she says in the worst way possible. I hope she’s doing well.
This was wonderful. I’ve been feeling this a lot lately. Especially when you are creating art stuff it can be so draining to make videos because your artworks already take so long to make and then you still need to edit the video and make everything look perfect. And that’s all things people usually don’t see. Thank you die this insightful video ❤️💖
you're so right. having a small, tight knit community is so nice because you are able to read and reply to every comment, you can even recognize almost everyone that comments on your videos and support you, and you mostly get no negative (hateful, not talking about constructive criticism) responses. it's like you form your own little family. at the same time, you definitely want to blow up and have your channel and content be seen by millions, but with that comes sooo much negativity that can be harmful to your mental health. it's a weird internal struggle but i can definitely understand why a lot of big channel disappear. i can imagine the pressure they must feel to know so many people are watching and therefore criticizing... it must be overwhelming :/
You'll never please someone who's committed to misunderstanding you. General words to live by that can help manage anxiety over expressing our beliefs publicly.
@@illchangemyusernamewhenith9130 honestly, it's helped me to not be scared of just going for it and putting my content out there. I know there'll be backlash over my content eventually, but it's not meant to convince everyone to agree with my view - just to inform people and guide them in a more positive direction 😊
I feel like SO many youtubers are always like, "Sorry about the lighting, it just rained and this is what I'm working with," or "Sorry my self-tanner looks weird on my hands," or "Sorry if you notice this one tiny hair out of place, I can't get it to stay down," stuff like that. It's constant, so many disclaimers and breaks in videos to explain every single tiny thing, especially as of late. I totally get where you're coming from with anticipating criticism - I almost feel like it's a catch 22 though because so many RUclipsrs call it out before anyone in the comments does and that almost draws more attention to it. I am not a RUclipsr so this is just an observation as a viewer. This video does a great job at explaining why things like that seem to happen!
I notice this too. Tiffany even did it herself at the beginning of this video, mentioning her bleached hair and needing to get a haircut! (Which was unnecessary, her hair looks great!)
I think this is also what made earlier YT more enjoyable. So much of YT is more about production quality/over production rather than content and far too much of everyone doing the same thing. Not much unique content these days.
This was in my recommendations and I feel RUclips is trying to tell me to get back to uploading lol. I feel slightly attacked 😂. I definitely can relate to all of the reasons some creators slow down or stop uploading. For me I realized having a work life balance is so important. Many don't understand the hours of work that goes into every upload (for me at least) from filming to editing. The work hours can get out of hand if you let it. Year after year of it on top of other pressures that come with being a "Big RUclipsr" can be taxing on the mental health. I am super grateful that I am able to take a step back without the pressure of worrying about finances. That's a luxury I couldn't afford in my previous job. As with anything in life balance is key. On another note, great content. I'm about to binge some more 😉.
I only realised recently that this is why (even as a medium-sized creator, if that) I like Patreon so much. Particularly when I’m between videos, I don’t necessarily want to tell EVERYONE what I’m working on, but I also feel weird if NO ONE knows what I’m up to as I have no idea whether it’s interesting or not. I love sharing updates on Patreon as it’s a nice middle ground between sharing EVERYTHING with EVERYONE all the time and feeling like I’ve completely gone off the radar for a month.
‘Sup mate! Saw your video critiquing fellow content creator Johnny Harris in regards to his sponsorship and how it ties into that video you called him out on.
after an unintentional break... I'm back to discuss why popular youtuber stop uploading, in my opinion!!
TIME STAMPS BELOW:
0:00 - intro
1:27 - what it's like to "blow up" on youtube
3:13 - quality or quantity of uploads?
4:10 - popular youtubers can afford to take breaks
5:10 - increased pressure & perfectionism
7:34 - the longer since the last upload, the more pressure
8:12 - Safiya Nygaard's "where have we been?" blog post
10:14 - fear of criticism, self-doubt, & overthinking
13:19 - lose passion, run out of ideas, burnout
14:15 - personal issues
14:44 - move on to projects outside of youtube
17:01 - move on to instagram, tik tok, twitch, etc
18:18 - moving from main channel to second channel
19:58 - from main to vlog channel
21:17 - the value and support of Patreon
22:15 - content creators are craving smaller, more intimate spaces again
24:13 - same reasons people have finstas
25:56 - shifting priorities
26:33 - btw some youtubers are making bank on adsense even without posting
29:31 - submit your small channels to my google submission form!!!
Haha the irony of an unintentional break before uploading this
Hi Tiffany, thanks for all the videos you've ever uploaded. They're amazing.
damn yall are fast
Thanks Tiffany!
Remember how bestdressed said she had a stalker and had to move out?
This pops up in my recommended... I think.... Tiffany is telling me to post a video... 😂😂 Thank you for your well balanced analysis of the reasons behind people may stop/slow down on uploading! I think people forget that many who 'became a big RUclipsr' did not necessarily set out for it to become their lifetime 40+ year career like in the traditional job sphere. E.g. once a young worker gets settled in the average corporate job, they start planning their career trajectory in that industry, looking into group insurance/pension offered by their employer etc, because they expect to work there or in that industry until they retire when they're a senior. The lifespan of a RUclipsr is much shorter for so many reasons but I think one of them is that few RUclipsrs really sought out on this path thinking they would do it forever.
Omg Cristine! Take your time we’ll be waiting :)
We love your content Cristine! Your newest videos have been comforting in these times.
I was just thinking of you and how much content you upload!
Appreciate you Cristine! 💗
Lmao I read that first line in your voice 🤣
I was going to comment that meme like "I'm in this image and I don't like it" but then I turned out to literally be in it and I didn't want to sound like I was actually angry so I guess I'll just comment like, Yeah
and now you’re in the comments too! 💗 this comment section has had the most youtubers commenting i’ve ever seen which is cute, but they’re all a little bittersweet bc they’re relating to the stress and commenting their own experiences.
Jenny and Tiffany would be the crossover event of the century
Jenny!! 💞💞
I love your channel so much. Take your time, prioritize your mental health. You’re amazing :)
Yo its my favorite RUclipsr
I have never seen so many verified people in a comment section, all at once.
Lol it's a RUclips convention 😂
ikr wtf im only now seeing this video- i scroll down and i'm like woah... so many check marks
And so many verified people that I'm _actually_ familiar with, it's insane. This comment section is basically VidCon
Yeah all of our peasant selves comments is buried deep down where no one can see it 😂
Honestly me neither
I love the amount of youtubers in the comments agreeing here. It’s so validating and makes me feel less alone. :) thanks for making this video!
😍😍
Rae!!!
If you want to feel even more validated you should give me 1000 dollars.
@@RPGDroneNO.
I miss Ashley's (bestdressed) videos so much. they were like me self-care ritual where I could at least pretend to hang out with the cool "older sister" type girl but then her videos got less and less frequent. I was really disappointed, but then in her most recent video, she talked about *having to move out of her apartment* because she was uncomfortable with a fan stalking her apartment to ask her out. I get it now. posting content to RUclips isn't worth the stress, mental health, and *SAFTEY* of people I genuinely wish the best for (or anyone for that matter)
So, Ashley if you read this, I hope you do whatever you feel is best for you. you're content is wonderful but so are you. YOU ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR CONTENT!!!
She was STALKED? OMG I hope she's safe now. I dont sub to her but at one point i binged her videos and she seems like she makes a great friend.
I miss her so much.. Hope she's doing good.. Ashley you're best..
At what minute does she start talking about bestdressed? I feel like I missed it, and I miss Ashley too
@@someonerandom9731 I started watching this video on the second I see Ashley’s photo. I didn’t hear her name.
@@monevrar7728 It was in her latest undecorating apartment video. She said a fan discovered what her building was and was able to find her apartment by the window decorations. She woke up one morning to find a note on her fire escape: "You seem so hot and funny in your videos. will you go out with me? I promise I won't be an axe murder and dump you in the woods lol"
I really miss Safiya. Her content is really binge worthy. Also, I feel SimplyNailogical has really taken over the JennaMarbles space ever since she left.
I feel like SimplyNailogical is too Holo Taco focused now so I’m not as into it since I’m not super into her brand. Which like I don’t blame Cristine, get that money
Yeah it feels like Cristine has leaned more into her innate Jenna-ness now that there is no more Jenna.
I watch/listen to her podcast rather than her videos in her main channel. Cristine and Ben have really interesting thoughts.
@@trtotally Same here! I listen to her podcast more than her regular videos. I look forward to it every week
@@trtotally yesss I actually prefer their podcasts and stopped watching her regular uploads, I feel like the content on the pod is much closer to just commentary stuff which I like
Not sure if it’s just me, but if my favourite creator stops posting, I won’t necessarily think they’re lazy or ungrateful. I’ll think “Oh I wonder if there’s something wrong” or “Oh I miss their content but I’m excited for them to return”. As a viewer, to all the creators who may be struggling with this, know that so many of your viewers eagerly await new content and won’t judge you at all!
Edit: super interesting video!! So well done
Therapy gang 😎
is that actually a cool thing?
HELL yeah
I didn’t expect you to be here-
@@littlesimsfreak2931 Me neither :o
@@whale_inc9646 Yeah, it's cool to improve your mental health.
im only halfway through and i LOVE this video! you've put how i feel into words (especially the anxiety / health anxiety stopping you being able to work). I appreciate you!
Micarah Tewers is one who def does quality over quantity. Her personality actually reminds me a lot of you despite the fact that her content is not at all like yours. She doesn’t post often but I found her VERY early and watched her channel explode!
Same. First video was vacation wardrobe and now she has so many viewers. She is living her life without being a slave of RUclips
What I learned from this video: Tiffany and I watch A LOT of the same content
Remember when RUclips was just people uploading what they wanted, when they wanted to and there wasn’t this pressure to be like a full on tv show for everyone each week?
I think this is what happened to Janelle the van girl. She grew way too fast and couldn’t cope with it.
What happened to her?
She definitely came to my mind as well while watching this video
She was popular immediately on her literal first video, when I saw the hype it was getting, I was so amazed! I don't see her pop up on my homepage as often or check in as frequently now :( Her videos were so good and she deserves more love nowadays :(
wow yes, that was quite the blow-up. Did you see her interview with Philip DeFranco? I don't think Janelle couldn't cope with it. It just came as a surprise to her. Don't forget that it was never her intention to become a full-time RUclipsr or anything like that.
@@thechrisverhoeven yea maybe? I think most of it still applies though. She started making only commercials videos and her supporters weren’t happy with her posting schedule. It’s better to grow slowly.
Something which high subscriber count RUclipsrs have to remember and acknowledge is that you are essentially a one man show. YOU are the script writer, the director, the actor (the talent), the tech support, the editor, and the post production team. When you’re feeling the burnout and the self doubt from not keeping up on top of schedule, you have to remember that the weekly TV shows have multiple people behind the scenes making sure it gets out there on time. You think the TV show hosts come up with the weekly content? They have a team dedicated just for brainstorming ideas and organizing the content.
You are already doing a lot even if you only upload once a month. Give yourself credit for that.
This was 30min of Tiffany putting words on things I could explain but that are 1000% true and what I feel like
hello 🥰
am new here.... hope am welcome? am from new york. and would love to make new reasonable friends.
"Until you post a video. it doesn't feel like you've done anything." As a writer. I 1000% feel this. I can write 1,000 words but if I don't show it to someone, then I feel like I've done nothing.
Extremely relatable. Greetings from Germany!
The pressure can be really hard sometimes.
I’m not a big youtuber but I agree
As a fanfic writer who struggles with posting consistently, a lot of the stuff you said about perfectionism and pressure to post really resonated with me.
I feel this too. ♥️
I think that with the rise of social media and their role in children growing up there should be a "social media basics and etiquette" class in schools. We can no longer depend on what each parent knows and what each parent is willing to tell their children, but we need children to be educated on these topics. I see many comments from kids on big channels pressuring for face reveals, and more content, and "your content used to be better" that are a mix of kids not knowing how to behave online, not realising content creators are people too, and not understanding how to respect the creator's choices. Education is everything. Of course that's great hypothetically, but being in a country with absolutely no sex ed in schools (not even abstinence only) this will not happen at least for the next twenty years. But alas, a girl can dream.
Which country if you don’t mind sharing
I was just talking about this yesterday! Me and some friends were discussing how different people text and how some apparently don't know the unspoken rules of texting (for example using periods in text is usually seen as more serious and almost mad and some older people don't know that) and how it would be so helpful if beyond learning about our own language and a foreign language in school we could also have a chapter about internet talk and internet etiquette!
@@ber1779 Greece 💙💙💙
such a good video! even though I am still a small youtuber, I definitely feel like I'm stuck sometimes making specific videos because I know people aren't going to watch other ones. the expectations even for me sometimes can be overwhelming. 👏👏👏
I checked out your channel and your furniture video was so much fun! Looking at furniture and house listings are my hobby.
this really made me check myself as a viewer honestly. while intuitively i know that the people i'm watching have lives outside of their screens and deal with the pressures and repercussions of that, i still find myself having critical thoughts when i see someone get really successful (at least how it appears from the outside) and stop posting. also for someone who doesn't make RUclips content, given the small amount of time it takes to watch a video, it's easy to minimize the amount of thought and effort it takes to make one out of ignorance and lack of experience. ah, another good Tiffany vid that gives you that sweet sweet perspective.
Absolutely loved this video!!!!
this anticipation of "criticism" - nowadays violent and brutal commentary at the verge of abuse, really - is why I never started speaking publicly. Still working on building up the strength in my heart to deal with it 💜
To all RUclipsrs reading this:
You are doing great! Thanks for putting out your creative work! I’m greatful for the entertainment you provide!
Thank you all!
It takes so much self-motivation to work for one's self and to constantly create content. We need to remember that we need to step back and always keep in mind that RUclipsrs are human with things that can come up for them at any moment.
Thank you for this reminder, Tiffany.
honestly as a viewer i’m just excited to see a creator come back regardless of what they post. i find myself being overly supportive sometimes when a creator i love posts after a long time to make them feel welcome and take off some of the pressure.
Love this! Been feelings this lately... especially with being a streamer who was on Mixer, a platform that completely died and disappeared. Seeing all that disappear overnight was really hard on motivation.
this is so interesting, because Instagram feels so official to me and I stopped posting there and just moved to tiktok where everything feels more relaxed
yessss me too! Even if I’m a consumer of content more than a creator 👏🏼 But I just don’t like posting on insta anymore even personally
That's very interesting. I think instagram might make the same change that facebook did. More and more older and more "professional" people got on the platform, and use their accounts kind of like business cards, and that pushes out younger and more creative type people who "just want to have fun". Super interesting.
Erylaria personally, I think Instagram is dead. There’s no potential for organic growth there anymore
I was thinking finsta as you were talking; great that you made that connection! Love your content! Also as a side note, what you're describing applies way beyond RUclips too (although it's cool that you can be self reflective like that); burnout and impostor syndrome are common across many areas where you become high profile and feel a lot of expectations on you quickly (musical performance, academia, and more). It's easy to get intimidated by our own best selves and need an escape. If only we could blend our instas and finstas though it might help dispel the misplaced self-imposed expectation that we have to keep our public selves perfect (though I can't imagine what receiving thousands of haters must feel like, which is pretty unique to online communities or showbiz)
I’m a big true crime guy and I noticed “ that chapter “ wasn’t recommended at all anymore in the side bar . I thought he quit or something. You were very informative sbout the algorithm I checked briefly last weeek snd he still posts at his normal rate snd gets good views….weird ! And random ! Like so much of RUclips
I love That Chapter. I’ve watched every single one of his videos.
Something I have never understood is why big youtubers don't have someone else look at their comments so they don't have to. They could go through the compliments, give the actual helpful feedback to the creator, block whoever needs it, and not pass on the unhelpful stuff.
The amount of my faves in this video and commenting makes me think of the community of old RUclips, which is lovely. This video is really insightful, as someone who has never created on RUclips or know anyone personally who does. And as someone who dislikes livestreams and podcasts (just personal preference, that style of content just isn't for me, but I'm so glad my faves get to make the content they love, even if it's not the medium for me) it's been interesting, and to some extent disappointing to see such a shift toward that way, though it's completely understandable and I think creators should do what makes them happy and creative and fulfilled. Love your content
I love it when people make second channels for their more casual and laid-back content. It seems like a nice balance between the perfectionism of the creator and the need to post more.
Safiya has put up some photos of her editing her and Tyler's moving vlog. I'm hoping that since her move there'll be more content x x x
on the topic of twitch streamers who re-post their content on youtube, there is a brazilian youtuber called casimiro who does that and he's become an absolute phenomenon this year. he reacts to random stuff on twitch (we're talking about 5 hour long livestreams) and it's very low quality but he just reached 1M subscribers on youtube and there isn't a single person in brazil who hasn't heard of him
Another trend I've seen with content creators craving smaller, intimate spaces is the fact that big twitch streamers are now creating alt accounts to experience being a small streamer again or to stream in different categories than their main
I’ve gotten my algorithm to a point where it recommends a lot of diverse people and small channels. I’m so happy about it cause it allows me to see lots of different opinions and types of people.
Listening to this as a small youtuber is really interesting. I really appreciate this video and your analysis / thoughts. Thanks for posting!
It's so weird that I experience the exact same feelings in academia. My therapist diagnosed me with PTSD due to 10+ years of academic struggle for almost the same reasons; at around 12 minutes into this video I got very triggered and had to quit watching. I've been totally frozen for more than a year, doing absolutely nothing. It makes me feel like a lot of people go though very similar feelings in their careers but not everyone can afford to take some time to heal from all these. They either find their own way out of this mess or get desensitivized somehow, both at which I apparently failed.
There's 2 youtube channels I watched that disappeared. The first was Popularmmos, but his disappearance is understandable because of the divorce and all the controversies. The second one is NewScapePro, who just randomly disappeared with very little explanation.
When I was in school, I used to watch RUclips everyday, but now as a graduate who's working, I just don't have the time. I find it more digest when you tubers I follow take their time to do a video and don't post often. It allows me to watch all the youtubers I like without feeling behind and missing things. So I personally like that youtubers are taking a step back. It gives everyone room to breath.
Honestly that’s why really appreciate channels like Game Theory and Food Theory, because MatPat has run weekly uploads for over 9 years on 5 channels without ever taking a break
I love matpat sm but I wonder how he and team never run out of ideas?
@@m.josena4485 he made a video about sans being Ness he ran out of ideas he just keeps working through them until the good ones are back ☠️
I always want to provide grace to content creators cause I can't imagine how this kind of work impacts folks. One channel that I am a huge fan of is communitychannel, and I know that she stepped away for years due to impacts on mental health. I try to leave comments of twitter replies that say things like "don't apologize for taking care of yourself" or "thank you for giving what you can" cause at the end of the day, it's still a job for some people and showing up to the office sucks.
On the other hand, there is a part of me that has some criticism when it comes to creators being supported by members of their community financially that don't produce content but rake in a lot of money. I think a lot of "breadtube" has this issue, and I think it starts to get very complicated when we look at identities at play, the privilege, etc. The content they make is usually very difficult and needs high levels of research, but there's still something about it that rubs me the wrong way when they get thousands of dollars through Patreon and can comfortably live while making maybe one to three videos a year. There also isn't that much in the way of communication, or things get delayed with no follow up, things like that. Also I am more than willing to be corrected on this! It's just the impression I have gotten following people in other spaces outside RUclips.
Overall, it's complicated, and we are still learning how this part of the world still works.
@@Arrrrrrrrrrbbbbbbbbbb she did! It was honestly the best Christmas gift I could ever ask for.
sigh of relief... making me feel good about being a small creator and not taking it for granted! Great video Tiffany!
Should’ve added an old school one. “Community channel”. She pops up like once every 5 years 😂
Ashley has a ucla film degree, so she might be doing a job with that
nah, I think she may have retired from RUclips as she has always said she wants to retire early
She does a lot of modeling nowadays as well
@@naysayer8732 True. They retire early since they can
I guess she has her clothing line and jewelry going on? I miss her videos 😢
@@thehapagirl92 Yeah, she makes 1 million+ a year through RUclips and can make good money through posting simple instagram ads once or twice a week. No reason for her to keep working really, especially when she has always talked about how she wants to retire young and rich
I haven't watched the whole video yet but I'm pretty sure the reason Ashley (bestdressed) stopped posting is bc shes moving apartments. She's still active on Instagram unlike sayfia and others.
Yep!
I sure hope so I sooo miss her content but after watching this video I totally understand why she may want out (and I’m ok with that too). Thanks Tiffany for this video!
I miss Ashley (bestdressed), i come back to her videos every time im not feeling well and she always made me felt better :(
I just saw a video about how she get tons of hate. I was really shocked
@@Prokomeni same! some jealous people on the internet tried to make her problematic, which I don't understand. She's literally so sweet and funny.
It’s such a strange phenomenon - to produce a video, often singlehandedly, for hundreds, thousands, millions of people to watch. There has never before in history been a platform to reach and interact with so many people while having personal creative freedom. But that’s an insane amount of pressure to live up to. In my experience, creativity and ‘let’s push out as much content as humanly possible!’ don’t go together very well.
"what do you do with all that money?" literally why i still like watching the vlogbrothers they've been making videos for 10+ years now and they're work with partner's in health and how upfront they are about it makes me genuinely excited to keep watching their videos on top of love for their content
I like how so many content creators are commenting and giving there input! 💕
youtube has grown into something so different from when I first got on in 2005-2006. It’s weird !!!
This is too accurate. I started a youtube channel on December 2016. Got to 1000 subs pretty quickly. Reaching ONE thousand subscribers was too much for me to handle apparently. I haven't posted since.
I do the overthinking what you say in my everyday life. It’s something I’m working through with my therapist, but it’s definitely made me an introvert where I used to be an extrovert because talking to people is exhausting. My full sympathy goes out to anyone else feeling like this. It’s hard for me, and I’m not in front of a huge audience.
Hi Tiffany, what you've mentioned about running out of ideas, I also think it has to do with having a niche. I see all of the RUclips expert channels talk about that you do need to pick a specific niche and stick to it if you want to grow.
But I also think that can be the downfall, because what if you no longer enjoy that kind of content? Then you have to pivot, which makes people probably unsubscribe.
But when you start a broader channel, like Kelly Stamps, and just order your content into different categories (playlists), it would be much easier to make a video, since you can make videos about different things.
for the record...it’d be fine if you made chill videos too tbh
I'm not even a big youtuber and I've dealt with almost EVERYTHING in here. It's such a struggle just uploading sometimes because there's always pressure that I'm not good enough to become a "popular" youtuber. Like sometimes I just overthink everything and I'm like what if I blow up and then randomly my editing gets terrible! Anyway I really enjoyed this video it just really shows that everyone struggles with youtube.
yes
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Hope you’re well, Nat!
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a single word of affirmation from Natalie is all I need
oh no
being a successful small channel is such a weird flex because people applaud you for having quality content cause it's not expected and the community feels like a fun secret club. in the beginning, everyone wants to see you win but once you get huge that's when people start to turn on you or want to "take you down".
I just started watching your videos the past 2 weeks 😊 love your style!
This is a great way of putting it. It’s that switch from the universally popular ‘underdog’ story to becoming another form of the ‘status quo’. Maintaining that golden balance found between the two extremes seems like you’re on a set timer, although obviously some creators can speed up the process of ‘selling out’ by dramatically changing their set up, or, if a vlog channel, showcasing a much wealthier lifestyle as a result of their fame. That disconnect, however substantial, is the key to the eventual shift in perception
well said
Yes
you are amazing tho :)
Maybe it’s just me, but when content creators (even ones I’m subscribed to) stop posting I literally forget them and forget how long it’s been. Then when they finally post again I am just happy and pleasantly surprised to see them again. People who put pressure on creators to have a constant output need other hobbies. Jfc.
Yo same. It really helps having 1000+ subscriptions across multiple genres.
same! My life is pretty busy anyway so i’m not exactly going to notice if one channel i’m subscribed to hasn’t uploaded recently. I hadn’t even noticed that Tiffany was gone! This video was definitely a pleasant surprise though :)
lol same! i'm subbed to 3 or 4 of the channels she mentioned and i literally forgot about them until she was brought them up again
That’s exactly what happened to me when Safiya posted a couple months ago.
Because you’re an adult with a life. It’s usually kids and teen who are freaking out. Which hey, that’s part of childhood. Enjoy your youth and time.
oh good god, this video was so reassuring lmao
hi king
Hi Tom!! I’m glad 😌
I was searching for this comment 😝
Quality over quantity
aaaayyyyyy tom what are u doing here
Tiffany: *makes a video about RUclips content creators*
RUclips content creators: *gathering in the comments section*
Us: 👀🍿
Interesting that they all got here so quickly
@@michaelaf6580 The algorithm do be like that...... It's pretty creepy in a way that it knows what we want to click though
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@@michaelaf6580 maybe more videos like this one need to be made and then we'll see them again 😂
One thing I'd say is that early RUclipsrs actually *didn't* think about careers beyond RUclips for the most part, because we were just pissing about for fun. So it wasn't that we thought we'd use RUclips to do something more legit. We had zero plan! Because RUclips wasn't anything to do with income! Imagine.
Yes absolutely! I remember watching (and making) so many videos filled to the brim with copyrighted music bc why not?? It was a very fun time. Even when the partner program started, I think it was a few years before it became widely available
Considering early RUclips had no way to make money 100% this is true. I have a friend that did RUclips News back in the day before being monetized and worked with me at Maker. During our time at Maker he stopped his channel completely and moved onto a career behind the scenes in gaming even after he monetized because he knew it wasn't forever, it wasn't fun anymore, and the mental side of being on all the time is hard. He's 100% happier now, doesn't face criticism, and can enjoy his hobby of hiking. For every RUclipsr trying to stay in the public eye is hard to even for traditional celebs the constant barrage of criticism and people being generally creepy can really tear down your mental health so more often than not I found they went their own way for their own mental health and some have gone on to better careers. Though for others they had a harder time transitioning off RUclips and may still do occasional uploads, though I have no idea where they are now. I think the major lesson I learned from my years working behind the scenes is that if you do make it on RUclips find a way to diversify your ability to make money and if need be go back to school or find a solid career path that has nothing to do with being on all the time.
wow hi lex!! a youtube OG right here
So true
i definitely think people do place certain expectations on big youtubers to maintain a level of "sameness" over multiple years (an unrealistic standard to apply to anyone) but at the same time, there have been so many trends on youtube (comedy skit channels, curated lifestyle vloggers, "relatable" lifestyle vloggers, now i think commentary channels are the most popular) where people who do the "outdated" kind of content lose favorability with the algorithm. it's a catch-22. but i also totally agree that the "woe is me" youtuber whining is tone deaf, and even those i've watched for a long time who have lost viewerships over the years still get hefty sponsorship deals/outside-of-RUclips opportunities so it's not too bad for them either.
also i totally agree with everything, but especially the part where you talk about "the underrated to quickly overrated" pipeline. i definitely get meaner comments now than when i started because people think that because i have a bigger platform, i "won't see" the remarks or something and the comment section is viewed as a free for all vs. a place to genuinely discuss (i'm speaking about a minority though!). oh and thanks for the b-roll shoutout tiffany! 🥺
Our girl got the check mark ❤️😭 so glad to have found you because of the algorithm, your videos are never overrated they’re pure gems every time
Yesss the (mean) commenters that don’t expect you’ll read their posts! Sometimes I’ve replied and they’re like “oops sorry I didn’t think you’d see this”
mina!! i love your videos! why am i squealing seeing two of my faves being awesome and insightful together
@@annieb408 same!!!
I’m honestly never mad because someone doesn’t upload, I’m never aware on what schedule RUclipsrs are on anyways 😌
Every day it’s a nice surprise who uploads for me ☺️
same but also it’s very noticeable for me when a creator becomes my absolute favorite but then suddenly stops uploading :(
Same here haha
Yes! Besides I follow too many channels to notice when they don't post, most of the time and unfollow people randomly of they don't fit with me and my life now, not because the stopped uploading.
Agree 100% maybe I just have terrible object permanence after all lol
Same. I've got bad adhd time blindness so everytime a youtuber apologizes for not uploading I'm wondering why they would tell on themselves.
For bestdressed specifically I feel like her living alone in a pandemic for a long time, having a stalker and then moving again may have had an impact... I hope she's ok, I love her videos.
Have u recently seen her on Instagram.. she haaaaasaaaa taken fashion to another 2 different hair colour 😝
And also people shitting on her for nothing... Honestly, I wouldn't have the mental health to deal with people shitting on my BREATHING.
@@leticiaabreu2815 Yeah, it was getting insane... I respect her taking time off, I just kinda hope she will return one day? I miss seeing her videos, but ofc her happiness comes first.
Omggggg sameee I loved her soooo much and her vids were soo fun to me. I literally miss watching her every now and then so I watch older uploads. I really hope she returns tho
she was getting luxury sponsorships ion ig, she's probably getting paid elsewhere
flashback to watching u cut ur bangs years ago and then binging all your study abroad videos, yt was a different world then
I read that as "white" lmao
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This topic reminds me of the wise words of riff raff - 2014 "my main goal is to blow up, then act like I don't know nobodyyyy...."
*dale dan Tony
@@jair4320 i too always interpreted "blowing up" literally 💀
Our forgotten king
Very well said
Or the wise words of the rapper ILoveMemphis "I paper chase then vanish" He really dropped "hit the Quan" then dropped off the face of the earth 💀
Makes me think of Joana Ceddia who stepped back for medical reasons. I hope she's doing better
Yeah, I hope she's doing ok as well
what happened to her medically? i’ve only ever watched a video now and then
@@cheyenn3nic0le correct me if i’m wrong but i think it’s due to her eczema
@@sok8557 ya you're right. She's had an insane flare up that's just makes her life very difficult right now:(
@@sok8557 oh thanks!
It feels similar to how people adore small/indie bands when they have a small audience but when they get too “mainstream” or gain a larger fanbase they’re considered “sellouts.” Everyone loves the underdog and will say they deserve more success until they get it and then they’re not a fun secret anymore
Ugh yeah this is so annoying. I actually discovered some now "big"/popular RUclipsrs when they were just starting out, and it's crazy how the tide suddenly shifts from being very encouraging to thinking they are "overrated". Granted, the people who think they are overrated are probably not the original fans, but it's clear they got popular for a reason.
I see the same phenomenon in the metal community as a metalhead. people love underdog bands and hail them to be the greatest, say that they deserve more success.. then they get that success and old fans bіtсh about this band "selling out". like what _do_ you want, Kyle?
it's exactly what had happened with Metallica.
@@larsswig912 Okay but like, i get it. The sheer frustration of someone going "oh you found them through ________" is just so annoying. Like Absofacto being a good example. I loved his shit back in 2013 but i can't listen to it publicly anymore without people mentioning that they heard it on tiktok and things like that.
It hurts because when it was you and a few thousand people rather than millions, you felt more connected to the artist and to the people who were in that community. It is irrational, but the best way i can describe the feeling is like an unwanted step parent. The new fans aren't like the ones you are used to, they feel awkward and different and very out of place. It takes time to adjust to it, but eventually both get along.
@@moose6815 oh I get it. but there are niche sub-communities for even Metallica fans that you can find, ones that are actual die hard fans who dig into everything about the band, make analyses about the music and stuff, unlike the casual ones. so that's cool :)
if you just stay away from the mainstream section of whatever fandom, I don't think you'd come across the tik tok people
I am still amazed that noone mentioned filthy frank/ joji... the guy invented the harlem shake and completely ditched youtube to become a pretty popular singer. I watched the guy bake a hair cake with idubbz and the australian guy (forgot his name), eat it, vomit on camera (and eat said vomit) and now he makes great musik. Sometimes creators get tired of only showing one part of their creativity or they grow out of it. I think he would have been a good example to be mentioned here, even though his departure from youtube is not very recent.
Very comprehensive summary. I don't do RUclips full time and yet I can totally see how the pressure (from yourself and others) increases over time - this and the workload are elements that viewers don't always realize/see. And the pace is sprint-like, while it actually should be a marathon.
I love your channel! It's crazy to see you in this comment section.
Thank you for offering your point in this discussion. "The pace is sprint-like, while it actually should be a marathon" -- wow
Omg Justine. I love you❤️❤️❤️❤️and your channel ofc 💕
justine!
I love your channel and content!
This video made me feel so CALM because jokes on us: we're all feeling the same things and worrying about the same things and are all on that precarious edge! It's so solidifying to hear these career anxieties said out loud! And then to scroll down and see so many amazing RUclipsrs feeling the same way.
damn all the youtuber communities are on this comment section lmao
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OMG DIIDN'T EXPECT YOU HERE HIIIIIII ARIEL, AND YES I TOTALLY AGREE.
dangelo was on twitch yesterday saying something along the lines of how he had a realisation of not needing to make a video on every youtube drama or trending topic, chat was being supportive cos hes got a great audience. but i wish more audiences were more like that, i know its more normalised these days to have more support if your saying you need a mental health break, especially compared back to the danisnotonfire days, but still needs more normalisation of youtubers taking breaks, and yay for therapy.
sorry this was very stream of consciousness
disclaimer: very paraphrased what i said bout dangelo i was jus browsing twitch it was a quick pop in
Does that mean no David expose? I know lotsa peeps been asking him for that 😮
@@KandraOfDreadlight He talked about that on the stream he did on Tuesday, he was talking about doing other things than just his current commentary basically(wants to do growth and exploration).
@@KandraOfDreadlight he said he’s mostly going to be continuing commentary in 2021 but will shift to something else next year. (Music? Art? Modeling? Who knows!)
People on twitter anticipating on a David dobrik vid. Don't if they are the same audience but I'm seeing a disconnect here.
I think RUclipsrs are WAY harder on themselves than necessary. I'm particularly thinking of Safiya and the schedules that she sets for herself and then beats herself up if she doesn't meet them. As a viewer, I really couldn't care less if a video comes out on a specific day of the week. I honestly don't know the upload schedule of any of my subscriptions; I'm just happy when I look and see a video from them. I think to be a successful RUclipsr, you have to be super self-motived and driven and that can create internal pressures that lead to burn-out.
The only ones I know are the ones that upload on the same day as me because I watch them after I upload as a treat 😂
I think part of the issue is that being self-employed (which is what RUclipsrs do) requires a lot of self-motivation. So if you fall behind your deadlines you feel like you aren't accomplishing as much as you used to. But I really think that Safiyaa can afford to take breaks. Her content is great. I don't think RUclipsrs should burn themselves out
Yeah, the line between healthy drive & motivation and unhealthy pressure is so thin. I remember reading Safiya's blog post and just thinking, "poor girl needs a therapist and a nice long break!". In such a public facing position, when so much of your personality and life is up for judgement, you really need a strong support system to help sort out what is and isn't helpful. It seems a lot of RUclipsrs who consistently burn out or have issues putting out work always have some tipping point where they need to come to grips with that sort of thing. Definitely not their fault - 15 years ago this kind of job didn't even exist! We're all figuring out what pressures and pitfalls come with social media fame as it comes, for sure. In Safiya's case I hope she can find a way to move forward constructively
Agreed. The amount of RUclips content a creator posts is a personal choice based on multiple factors. No one should believe the creators owe them. It is okay to miss them though.
Exactly. Like I follow a lot of people and I have no idea what their schedule is. I am just happy when they upload because it's always a nice surprise. (Like this video haha). I feel like youtubers should work up a pace that works for them. As your followers, we understand. And seek help or rest before burnout. Butnout isn't fun in any job or occupation.
This video is so validating, you have no idea. I constantly gaslight myself and think I’m over reacting. Thank you for talking about this! 💕
Cydneeeee ❤️ Love ya!! hahah and love how all these incredible RUclipsrs are commenting on this video. lol
love u queen 💖
Um... where’s your verification check 👀 who do we need to call?!
I love your content!
Cydnee!! Luv u
It's always fascinated me how people turn on creators, without being prompted by a scandal or anything. It's almost as if there's a threshold of how many followers you can have before you're overrated. Be successful, but not that successful! Must be so frustrating
I think it's the parasocial relationship. You want your "best friend" to succeed at what they do, but once they do, you feel more like "one with the crowd" as if you've lost that "friendship" because that person is too popular. It's also the "I was here in the early days" mentality, you like having a fave that nobody knows, that's indie, but once they're popular or mainstream they become "basic" and you can't flex your unusual and ✨ different✨ taste in (what the fave does). The thing I could compare it with is gamers gatekeeping gaming because "they were there when it wasn't cool" so people who recently started (especially women) are seen as inferior.
tale as old as time "you sold out man!"
Honestly, the word overrated is so overrated 🙄🙄🙄 people throw that word around like it’s nothing. It seems like every time a person doesn’t like some one or gets tired of them, or thinks they’ve received too much love and attention all of a sudden they’re “overrated”. They judge other people for liking them a lot and don’t stop to think that maybe those other people like them because they have different preferences. Overall, people are obsessed with the “underdog”. The hidden gem that they feel doesn’t receive any attention. But when that underdog makes it to the top people turn against them and say stuff like “you’ve changed. You’re not the same anymore. You’re not relatable.” Well uhhh......DUH. Millions of subscribers, fans, views, and money of course will change someone who never had that before. And even without YT, people “changing” is a natural and completely normal part of life and growing up. I don’t freaking get it.
The way people turned on bestdressed... yeah that came out of no where. I remember a few months ago I was trolling around RUclips and I found a “bestdressed is problematic” video and I remember being super confused...
Yeah, I also think when they take breaks, it makes room for smaller creators to grow an audience. They already make a lot of money. Let other people shine! Lol
Why does Tiffany have the ability to answer questions I did not know I had
IMANI! I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS.
Haha, yes! Exactly right ❤️❤️
a summary of her entire channel
this comment has the ability to articulate the passing thought I didn't realize I had
Not related but your so pretty. Like your gorgeous 😊
I've been wondering where half my favorite creators have been, this video came right on time
You're amazing!!
Sameeeeeee :(
Oh hey something I actually have personal experience with (kinda)! I'm a medium sized channel and I stopped posting for months because a) I realized that I didn't enjoy making the kind of videos that made my channel blow up, and b) I don't actually want to do youtube as a full time job so my motivation to do something on here I'm not crazy about is VERY low. I'm in the process of switching up my content right now and it feels great to get back to making stuff that's not a slog to produce
Totally understandable! Hope you find some fresh inspiration in a new direction 💗
Any tips to someone starting out on how not to get boxes in?
Whatever you do there will always be people there to support you :D
Love your podcast!, Min and Yang is the best rwby content around.
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy making them because it's why I subscribed.
*Laganja Estranja voice* I FEEL VERY ATTACKED
LOL jkjk
But seriously, thank you for this. I had/am having such an interesting time "blowing up" as the kids say. But that point about research and not wanting to post a video that doesn't have as much of it...AN ENTIRE MOOD. I'm like, "Khadija, if you don't cite at least ONE scholarly essay do you even have the right to post this???" It's wild.
I love you! I love just listening to your opinions. I’d find videos listening to ramble about nothing soothing. You always have the right to comment on things
I would watch you rant about a bird you saw for 20 minutes no questions asked, I love your in depth analysis but sometimes you just want to hang with your Auntie you know? -From a newly subbed nibling
Hahaha after watching your essays I’m like... wow I need to read more. Brb heading to Google scholar!! but as a viewer I watch for your personality and your perspective, no pressure to be super academic all the time 💞
@@tiffanyferg *cries* thank you LOL but seriously, thank you. You ever want to do a collab you let me know girl!
@@grimmgoosegoose216 LOL I love that hahaha
on the patreon note, MAKE ONE! the freedom is incredible. i really enjoy having it as a separate platform for not only the smaller community & connection i have with my viewers, but also because i don't have to be a slave to the algorithm LOL. also for me personally, i have struggled in the past with youtube demonetizing my content due to me talking about anything from bras to BLM sooooo it's really nice to not have to deal with that bs!
But we can't pay for patreon for each youtuber
@@moonmaiden13 let alone the international currency exchange rates to support creators on Patreon.
@@moonmaiden13 I'm a patreon for Christine McConnell, she's incredible and completely worth it. But that's the only person I have a patreon with. Just couldn't help myself. She is kinda unreal and so entertaining.
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How do you get to it??
I have nothing to add but just wanted to say I always enjoy your videos!
Love your stuff! :)
I think that people miss out on your content as they think it’s primarily books, while it’s actually learning from the first-hand experiences and lives of kids/folks with unique perspectives (often highlighting life with a particular condition etc.) I think many people who enjoy Anthony Padilla’s more recent style of interview content would really enjoy the conversations you have as well.
I love your channel 💖
I love this channel so much, it’s very sad we can’t comment on the videos
I don't know if it's because I'm a little older (32) and didn't grow up with social media, but when RUclipsrs I like stop or infrequently upload I just shrug and say "this might suck a little but they ultimately don't owe me anything". I could never fathom being mad at a RUclipsr, who I don't pay a cent to watch, for not uploading. And there a dozens of others frequently uploading I can always watch instead. However, if I pay for someone's Patreon (or... Onlyfans haha) and they don't upload I'm not pleased because I'm directly paying them for content they're not providing. But even in that case I'm still not actively mad.
The whole thing kinda reminds me of rock bands back in the day. When they're indie, people love and root for them to get more popular, but when they reach a higher level of fame, people get mad and say they sold out. Kind of a lose-lose.
Yes! As a 31 year old I totally can relate to your description!
Plus, I didn't grow up with following RUclips channels at all. I remember we used it just for listening to music and maybe some super silly videos but that was it. I didn't feel attached to any creators. And now I have fun discovering specific channels but I don't have so many expectations.
Agree totally! (Especially with the end sentiment i hate when people do ads and people call them a “sell out” unless Ofc they have ever claimed to never want to do a sponsorship) I think I don’t 100% fall into this as lol I’m younger (19) but I have various interests and subscribe to different content so I’m definitely like you in the sense that when people start doing slower uploads I can move on, I will say like this video seeing those faces I do feel bad and miss them. (Mostly the ones that you’d watch every video too) I’m not gonna lose sleep over it but I definitely feel nostalgic from time to time. That’s my take lol
I completely agree with this sentiment too except In 19 and basically did grow up with youtube and social media. For me, its really just leaving a youtuber alone (or interacting with their other social medias) until they post again and then I get to watch.
I’m 31 and I totally agree! When a RUclipsr doesn’t upload fir a while I’m more likely to think good for them for taking a break or if they are absent for really long I start to worry a little about their (mental) health
Me: enjoying Tiffany's video as usual
Her mic: 🧍
This comment made me laugh out loud for real ☠️☠️
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Thank you I could not figure out what that was!
This made me lol too!!!
Feeling very comforted knowing so many of us are in the same boat here
Hi hannah! You’re my favorite youtuber...! Nice to see you here. I fully appreciate all of your contents! ❤️
Hi queen 🥺
I think it'll be interesting to see how things change in the future, with young people now considering "content creator" as a long-term career and planning for it. As a lot of people have mentioned, I think most of the original creators weren't planning on being RUclipsrs forever.
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Yoooo Galaxy Gang
bestdressed was briefly mentioned and her last upload she mentioned that she was having issues with a stalker so she had to move 🙃
Isn’t that the same video where she said she slept with a Republican and smiled proudly about it? Yikes. Maybe she should stay off RUclips
@@Mockingfray so you can only ever have sex with people who have the same views as you, even though it was clearly meant to be a one time thing? yikes, sounds like shaming a woman for her sexual life to me
@@Mockingfray this reply was ugly, you should probably stay off RUclips, you’re reaching
@@Mockingfray Yikes, seems like you're plagued by some black-and-white thinking. Such thinking is very damaging, to yourself and to others.
She’s also a covert narcissist and incapable of apologizing for what’s she’s done, so he just leaves.
I can't speak for everyone personally but I agree with Nailogicals comment in a sense where most of us didn't expect this to be their career as they started and SO so SO many of my youtuber friends have also started at a very young age, in highschool (me included). Doing this full time doesn't give you much breathing room in terms of figuring out what you want your actual career to look like and it causes a lot of burnout and hesitance 5-10 years down the line, since you become way too hyper focused on content creation to think of other, more secure avenues.
I have been on here 14 years. Golly it is difficult to keep it going unless our life changes too. The lack of career progression, engagement, marriage, new home content or pregnancy, in addition to my appearance changing due to illness... killed my following. The pressure to showcase life in an order to continue to grow... is overwhelming. If you dont adapt or cater, you die or slow and disappear. I've basically died out, but keep going for myself.
The abuse, harassment and the stalking too its toll too. I had enough years ago and its had lasting impacts on everything in my life. The internet loved it when my Grandad was dying with cancer.... I still havent got over that yet. When my Mum was diagnosed last year, people told me they wanted her to die.
The endless abuse changes how we are and feel about our lives, bodies and selves. It's not fun or safe anymore.
I'm sorry about that...nobody should have to go through it.
I remember your “she takes a photo” project! I was doing a 4-5 year long selfie everyday project too so it was really inspiring. I’m so so sorry you’ve faced so much harassment and abuse.
Just here to let you know I still follow you on IG and RUclips❤️ It kills me to see people be so rude to you 😔 Still here to support you since your photo-a-day post ✊
Never understood why people were so mean to you 🙁
Sometimes your video in the loft when you danced around pops into my mind. Also, you introduced me to Doctor Who, which became my comfort series. Thank you Rebecca.💛
I remember having that small youtuber preference. I subbed to Joana Ceddia when she was SUPER small-like 200 subscribers small. Once she became "mainstream" it didn't feel like a cute little exclusive club anymore, and I found myself being less interested in her. I try to call myself out on it because it feels like such a "I'm not like other girls, I like small underground youtubers" thing. However I cannot deny the distance you feel when you start seeing big sub numbers, and I tend correlate that with being overrated, or changed, even when the content is as good and relatable as ever. I really gotta stop bleh
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with preferring smaller communities, you don't owe any creator your continuous support. You don't need to feel guilty about how you prefer to spend your time online, you can just move on to where you prefer to be, I think the problem is just criticizing creators for being successful, which is absurd because of course they want to be.
@@phosphenevision Yes I agree! I didnt make that point, but I definitely criticized them for being successful. I guess it was just me being bitter? Also I never felt shame for prefering smaller communities, it was that I saw it as superior to other people more popular choices. It was ridiculous, but yeh not trying to shame people for liking small creators.
Yeah i know what you mean, i like both big and small channels but small channels have the upside of an community where the youtuber for example answers to mist comments etc.
Not to be rude, but I’m pretty sure Joana blew up from her first Emma chamberlain video and gained around 50k subscribers within the first month of RUclips. She was only small for a very very short amount of time and the calibre of her videos didn’t really change all that much until the Brad Mondo phase.
@@myextraaccount4340 not rude at all !
one of the paradoxes of doing youtube FT is that it's NOT a 40-hour, 9-5 job yet thanks to ~capitalismo~ so many youtubers are still throttling to work as much as possible! IMO success as a self-employed content creator would look like LESS labor than my corporate job not more. tbh it's admirable that kelly stamps says she works 15 hours a week and is able to support herself and still grow her channel
this feels unrelated but i wanna see a wrestler named el capitalismo where it’s just a businessman who sends other people to fight his opponents and then takes the win
That Kelly Stamps is a frighteningly smart girl. I don't think most are like her.
Kelly Stamps is a weirdly unique gal
I understand Kelly's appeal, however I think her video production looks like it definitely took that amount of time.
I fail to see how capitalism is forcing these extremely wealthy creators to continue to work constantly.
something really interesting that i was expecting you to bring up is a large majority of the creators you mentioned (especially in the beginning) are women. we’ve seen time and time again that women are more critically viewed on the internet - even (and especially) by other women. bestdressed and i are the same age and i’ve always loved her videos, and i miss her a lot, but her comments sections can be difficult to read - and i’m not even her. that absolutely has to take a toll (like saf mentioned) and makes other smaller, more positive platforms look much more enticing.
I 100% think this is what was/is driving Ashley from YT, I wasn't super early with her content but her comment section is pretty rough anymore with her videos. it makes me sad that she felt she could be so open about her mental health issues and people are still so harsh.
tbh this even applies to youtubers who are part of a minority or marginalized group: youtubers who are from the lgbt+ community or are people of color. theyre more prone to criticism or are usually regarded in such a high standard-if they underperform or make a mistake theyre suddenly a 'flop'.
I totally agree! I was an early subscriber and watching how the comment section changed overtime from supportive and delighted (her early videos have very refreshing social commentary that was pretty novel at that point) to overcritical and nitpicky was pretty heartbreaking because it changed the way she could express herself and obviously affected her confidence. I think also when people started to make ‘bestdressed problematic’ videos, this probably ate at her self esteem in a way that most people will never know about. I think it’s so sad that her fan base was obviously a huge part of the reason she left :(
Great point. People are so harsh on Ashley and I don’t know why. Nothing she does will please them. Even if she goes out of her way to acknowledge privilege and not step on anyone’s toes when she talks about her personal experiences, people seem set on taking everything she says in the worst way possible. I hope she’s doing well.
@@marts3104 yikes😭and here I thought of starting a yt channel
This was wonderful. I’ve been feeling this a lot lately. Especially when you are creating art stuff it can be so draining to make videos because your artworks already take so long to make and then you still need to edit the video and make everything look perfect. And that’s all things people usually don’t see. Thank you die this insightful video ❤️💖
love u and dollightful sm
you're so right. having a small, tight knit community is so nice because you are able to read and reply to every comment, you can even recognize almost everyone that comments on your videos and support you, and you mostly get no negative (hateful, not talking about constructive criticism) responses. it's like you form your own little family. at the same time, you definitely want to blow up and have your channel and content be seen by millions, but with that comes sooo much negativity that can be harmful to your mental health. it's a weird internal struggle but i can definitely understand why a lot of big channel disappear. i can imagine the pressure they must feel to know so many people are watching and therefore criticizing... it must be overwhelming :/
Thanks for your insight! I enjoy your channel because it feels so cosy and not commercial so I get the small community part
Deffo agree especially also on how the community feels like a little family group chatting away and enjoying themselves
Love your channel btw 🌻
i love your channel Monika!! ❤️
hey film fan ! me too
Gurl omg ❤️❤️❤️❤️ i love you so much
You'll never please someone who's committed to misunderstanding you. General words to live by that can help manage anxiety over expressing our beliefs publicly.
Wow that is a powerful sentence, I'll be thinking about that one in the future. Thank you for sharing!
@@illchangemyusernamewhenith9130 honestly, it's helped me to not be scared of just going for it and putting my content out there. I know there'll be backlash over my content eventually, but it's not meant to convince everyone to agree with my view - just to inform people and guide them in a more positive direction 😊
Wow this sentence really resonates with me! It’s a great “life motto”....
@@Allisonsaul 😊 it is! Glad I could share it with you
I feel like SO many youtubers are always like, "Sorry about the lighting, it just rained and this is what I'm working with," or "Sorry my self-tanner looks weird on my hands," or "Sorry if you notice this one tiny hair out of place, I can't get it to stay down," stuff like that. It's constant, so many disclaimers and breaks in videos to explain every single tiny thing, especially as of late. I totally get where you're coming from with anticipating criticism - I almost feel like it's a catch 22 though because so many RUclipsrs call it out before anyone in the comments does and that almost draws more attention to it.
I am not a RUclipsr so this is just an observation as a viewer. This video does a great job at explaining why things like that seem to happen!
I notice this too. Tiffany even did it herself at the beginning of this video, mentioning her bleached hair and needing to get a haircut! (Which was unnecessary, her hair looks great!)
Thank you for bringing this up!! It honestly drives me kinda crazy. I'm like staahhp apologizing for everything.
Lolll all RUclipsrs are slowly becoming Canadians
I think this is also what made earlier YT more enjoyable. So much of YT is more about production quality/over production rather than content and far too much of everyone doing the same thing. Not much unique content these days.
My favourite one is 'I look disgusting today' or 'my hair looks disgusting today'.
Meanwhile, hair looks amazing!
This was in my recommendations and I feel RUclips is trying to tell me to get back to uploading lol. I feel slightly attacked 😂. I definitely can relate to all of the reasons some creators slow down or stop uploading. For me I realized having a work life balance is so important. Many don't understand the hours of work that goes into every upload (for me at least) from filming to editing. The work hours can get out of hand if you let it. Year after year of it on top of other pressures that come with being a "Big RUclipsr" can be taxing on the mental health. I am super grateful that I am able to take a step back without the pressure of worrying about finances. That's a luxury I couldn't afford in my previous job. As with anything in life balance is key.
On another note, great content. I'm about to binge some more 😉.
I only realised recently that this is why (even as a medium-sized creator, if that) I like Patreon so much. Particularly when I’m between videos, I don’t necessarily want to tell EVERYONE what I’m working on, but I also feel weird if NO ONE knows what I’m up to as I have no idea whether it’s interesting or not. I love sharing updates on Patreon as it’s a nice middle ground between sharing EVERYTHING with EVERYONE all the time and feeling like I’ve completely gone off the radar for a month.
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‘Sup mate! Saw your video critiquing fellow content creator Johnny Harris in regards to his sponsorship and how it ties into that video you called him out on.
@Dorothy Zbornak it's a political philosophical type channel but more political