* captions are being made, they should be up soon! * hope you guys enjoy today's dive into work, careers, the commodification of our lives, etc!! TIME STAMPS BELOW: 0:00 - intro 0:46 - some "big" creators balance a full-time career + youtube (like Simply Nailogical) 2:20 - is quitting your career to focus on youtube irresponsible? 3:45 - should we risk trading a secure job for an unstable one? 4:40 - what is life after youtube? 5:34 - should we prioritize in life? our careers? happiness? money? 6:47 - sponsor moment! 7:59 - youtubers who have recently quit their 9-5s to become self-employed / full-time content creators (Brooke Miccio, Natalie Barbu, Katy Bellotte, & Michelle Reed) 10:55 - how did their viewers react? 12:22 - losing relatability 14:25 - are 9-5 jobs undesirable? 15:08 - "follow your dreams! if you're not happy, just quit your job!!" 17:30 - privilege, advantages, & luck 19:00 - does this all make 9-5 jobs look bad? 19:56 - tangent about my personal work preferences and ~entrepreneurial spirit~ 22:04 - what about when other youtubers quit their jobs? (such as Jarvis Johnson) 23:25 - how does quitting affect your content? 24:39 - productivity content good, hustle culture content bad!! 25:14 - too many sponsors! too many ads! 26:08 - the struggles of being a youtuber 27:41 - strangers have opinions about your personal life 29:15 - oversharing, boundaries, and selling your life as content 29:54 - "How To Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy" by Jenny Odell 31:12 - don't get stuck in the RUclips Bubble 34:35 - thank u goodbye
oh hi... holo there!! Very interesting analysis Tiffany I like your approach! I hope more young people listen to thoughtful perspectives like yours on topics like this :) Also, disclaimer: I am a proud member of the pro 9-5 jobs team - if you find one you like and that is worth it for you! I happen to love mine. If I hated it, my life might be a different story. Anyways, good video and lots of commentary to provoke further thought. Maybe I will discuss in more detail on my channel one day. Thanks for inspiring and making people think :)
I also think it’s a good idea to have a stable day job. A RUclips career can be extremely volatile and your income can be destroyed with any little RUclips policy change and a RUclipsr may have no safety net.
I really enjoy having the same volume for whole sentences. There is a lot of creators who start their sentences louder and end half as loud. Or they ennd sentences like news anchors. With her I can put the volume to a normal setting and still enjoy all of what she has to say without changing the volume or unnecessary breaks.
I work a 9 to 5 in an office and like it. I like being able to finish work at the end of the day. I like being able to have weekends to myself, and 25 days of paid annual leave. I like having health insurance and a pension, and knowing how much to budget each month. I like having coworkers to socialise with every day and a reason to leave my house. I'm sure not everyone with a 9 to 5 has it quite as good as me, but I feel like pop culture almost always portrays steady work in any office as tedious and soul crushing, when it really doesn't have to be.
Completely agree. Too many ppl are into "hustle culture" and not getting "stuck" in a 9-5 even tho that 9 to 5 will most likely offer stability and not being overworked
I mean I like my job in hospitality (5 start country hotel/restaurant/small conference centre/ winery). The people are generally cool and stuff, but the hours are draining and I have lost so much connection with my friends because I’m always busy at nights and the weekend. I crave a 9-5 job with consistent hours during the week and nights to be social at the same time as my friends.
@@bella6843 I am not her but my job could be described the same. I am an Architect who is responsible for overseeing construction sides and for calculations and a lot of the organisatory stuff regarding building a building xD. I can come when I like. I have 25 days paid leave. I have 2 paid days off for education. I love my coworkers! I love all my 5! bosses because they themselves are still in touch with their employees! But... I spent 7 years at university to get this job.... Well.... It was worth it in the end but you should only dwdicate this amount of time to a field you love. Oh and btw I am living in Germany!
I could never be a full-time RUclipsr. I need a job that has structure and that makes me leave the house everyday and forces me to interact with the people around me. I enjoy having something I have to get out of my home to do. I am also a workaholic so I am certain I would almost never stop working, which isn't healthy. Though I enjoy being creative, I would prefer that be a hobby so that when I am not working, I can also be doing something I enjoy.
This is different from being a RUclipsr but my aunt won millions on the lottery and even tho people around her don’t understand why she’s still working, she didn’t quit her job and still goes everyday. She says she’d go crazy if she was laying down next to the pool everyday and even travelling non stop would drive her crazy!
9 to 5 sounds better than shift work to me 😅 not knowing what hours you’ll work in a couple of weeks and not having a normal sleeping routine sounds hard to me!
Caroline Xenia P I agree with you 💯. I like the structure of a schedule. Shift work would drive me crazy. I’m awake in the middle of the day so I might as well be working. To each their own though.
Yep. I work shift work, and even though it's mostly the same schedule repeating every two weeks, working different times of day all the time makes it really hard to have consistent hobbies or social activities outside of work.
As a former shift worker who spiralled down into a depression after a year to the point of crying at least once a week I do agree. Heck even flex work is terrible. Being able to be employed between 8am and 10pm was horrible. It ruined my health. I would honestly not even mind working dead of night as long as it had routine and stability. I sincerely hope research over work issues regarding shift and flex work improves over time.
Yep, I work retail while at university and I hate not being able to plan what I'm doing ahead of time, because it depends on what the rota will be, and managers can change the rota. 9-5 is appealing purely because it's set hours.
I always say you should never do YT solely until you're at like 200k. Even then, never give up on education, this website has nothing promised. EDIT: Yeah, I'll always be thankful that I had the chance to do this, but frankly you lose a lot of your personal life, your relationships with friends/family can be hit, your health - your life becomes your channel. I've become much healthier in treating it like a real job these days and trying to make habits to take myself away from it for set hours during the day. I think if you start YT as a hobby when you're off school or work doing this becomes much harder because at the root, it was something you made out of all your free time.
My ex quit his education in his last semester to become "a youtuber" while living off his parents. We broke up and now 6 years later he has 50k tiktok followers and is so proud 🤦♀️🤦♀️ he didnt work his entire 20s. How is he not worried about his future.
Not gonna lie, I love my structured 30 hour a week job. No, it’s not glamorous, no, I don’t make a shit ton of money. I feel like, most people only value those types of jobs if you’re getting super rich from it and like tbh, sometimes a job is just a job and there’s nothing wrong with that. Why do people have to constantly shit on desk jobs? You can get value and meaning from your life outside of how you make money. In fact, I find it freeing that I don’t get my meaning in life from my job. Maybe das just me doe 🤷🏽♀️
Work to live not living to work! I am self-employed as I enjoy it the most but I still have that philosophy of working to live a great life not work being my everything.
I currently do love my job and find a lot of meaning in it, but I've also had work I liked a lot in the past which was totally lacking in any sort of deep meaning. There is peace and happiness in work of all kinds, from the most menial to the most complex. But people have a hard time perceiving that, and understanding the boundaries (or lack of) between themselves and the rest of the universe.
You’re lucky. I have to find fulfillment and satisfactory in my work because a lot of time is put into it. My mental state can/will be affected, so I just need like a job I’d be happy to wake up to and not dread on it. You literally spend more than half your life in work, so I just need to make sure it’s worth it...
Alexandra Kershner im the same. I love that my hobbies are OUTSIDE of my job and that once I leave my office, I can focus (mostly) on things I like. i wouldnt wanna go travell (my fav “hobby”) and kinda spoil it with always thinking about eg content for youtube etc.
Yeah, most people have to work jobs that aren't neccessarily their dream, but that's kind of the way it is. I'm sure most people would prefer not to work and have the time to pursue their dreams, but you have to make money somehow
iconic it really depends on so many things. Your goals, your channel size, content/views, income, the list is long. I heard earlier something about the first billionaire solely through RUclips isn’t far off for 2021 & I don’t doubt that at all. Some ppl get $300,000++++ per sponsor per video. Some people feel worthless/directionless without having some type of job/income consistently coming in, some people could never make a video again & absolutely survive off the income they have in the bank currently. I think ppl really underestimate the income that a RUclips career can generate. I know personally my goal is not to be rich but I do want to incur a lot of money- mostly to be able to live comfortably, leave my son some money & help ppl who have dealt with similar struggles literally (monetarily) & figuratively. I wish I had the balls to start a RUclips channel bc I know I have a lot to offer and many topics I could cover w expertise & really help ppl through the platform. Someday I think I will
I think it depends on a case by case situation. Like it depends on what your ultimate goals are. I would also say it depends on how well your channel is doing. I mean if you’re channel is really gaining traction and the demand for content is there, it might not be a bad thing to put focus on that channel. Especially if what you want is your brand to grow. And often times that “brand” or your fame can lead to other things. Business deals, acting gigs, hosting gigs. Or it might give you the chance to go to exclusive events where you can use the opportunity to network which then can lead to other things. No I dont think people should focus on RUclips only. But it’s not like quitting your day job is inherently a bad idea either. I think it just depends on what your goals are.
I'm not even a millennial, I'm in gen z, and I really love my office job. I finished college early so that I could have the time to try jobs that I was interested in. I like the repetition, knowing what to expect, and my coworkers. Luckily, my family is also supportive and if I ever want to quit or try something risky, I can. But I think I'll always stick to office type work, I like it
nothingpersonalhomie I’m a millennial (24) and I feel the same way. I work in public libraries so there is a bit of flex in my schedule (1-2 weekend shifts a month and I close at 8 once a week) but other than that I’m done with work by 5. The structure and lack of stress it brings has drastically improved my anxiety from my previous chaotic job.
I am self employed and I have to say that working my 9-5 was much more stressful. Also self employment doesn’t mean no paid time off, no health insurance or other benefits. If you know what you’re doing and you manage your business and money properly, you can give yourself paid time off and health insurance (though I still think that shit is too damn expensive lol). My problem with full time YTers is their lack of practicality. Filming you LA life and creating merchandise with your name and face on it isn’t gonna keep food on the table. And it seems like, judging by a lot of their lifestyles (flex culture), they aren’t being very smart about their finances either. I can only speak for myself but if I was given the same opportunities as them (be able to make a living just filling myself living) I’d be putting that money into something that will keep making me money long after the YT buzz wears off. I think that’s why the beauty YTers are doing so well. They’ve started business in a field that will always be in demand. I just noticed that a lot of YTers get big, quit their jobs, move to LA and spend their time making even shitter content with the same 20 people that are also making shitty content.
I recently made a big career change and I can’t tell you how many of these girls’ videos I watched when I was going through the thought process of wanting to quit my job in NYC to follow my dreams. I was personally inspired by their stories and it only motivated me further even though I wasn’t quitting my job to be a full time influencer (I ended up going to esthetician school). It was still interesting to see other women my age struggling with the big city corporate job life and it made me feel less alone. I was always constantly surrounded by people who loved their office jobs and when I started hating mine, it felt “wrong” that I hated it if that makes sense. I tried to swallow my feelings for a bit because it felt that working a 9-5 in an office was what I was “supposed” to do
My current hate for the 9-5 is rooted deeply in my 4 hours of commuting time per day and how little I see of other people. Hoping to get my time structured more healthily when this contract runs out. Never commuting again if I can help it.
People upset that their relatable "RUclipsrs" are struggling balancing two jobs and need to quit one to keep their viewers entertained. Hmm. Edit: Okay, no. These women weren't being crushed by their 9-5. They were being crushed by working two jobs at the same time. I feel like this is completely being glossed over to embrace the narrative that these women are privileged, not relatable and potentially entitled.
my thoughts exactly. not to get political buuut there is some cough cough misogynist subtext in those complaints. Also the resentment that their life decisions might generate among their viewers! If they have that safety net to fall back on it's not because it was handed to them, they worked maybe 10 years on their channels and other social media until it started to actually pay off enough to dedicate all of their time to improve their content. Yes, not all people have the equipment or the charisma to have a channel with a lot of views and sponsors and stuff, but the whole "quitting their REAL job to do RUclips which ISN'T a real job!!!!1!!" perpetuates the narrative that creative jobs are not serious and therefore shouldn't be remunerated as well as "real" jobs. What's the difference between selling a product or service for someone else in exchange for a salary and doing it by yourself to benefit yourself? Arts are profitable and people should be able to profit off of it if they want to and have an audience willing to pay for it, folks. It's not that hard.
HIGHLY RECOMMEND Emily Guendelsberger's book On The Clock: What Low Wage Work Did To Me And Why It's Driving America Insane. My opinion, and one of the points made in the book, is that technology has made everyone beholden to their bossess on a minute to minute basis where they weren't before. Your boss used to have to keep a time card and like write you up for being late. Now an app notifies them you were late.
Though I’m not at *that* point in my RUclips “career” where I would consider going full-time, I found that as someone who is interested in going into a career in entertainment, being a RUclipsr is a HUGE benefit. I got my first internship at a well-known company (without much campus club experience) mainly because of my RUclips channel. Having a channel is also helpful since recruiters can get a sense of your personality especially if you‘re talking in front of a camera. Granted RUclips is clearly applicable to the entertainment field, but if you create videos on any subject/industry demonstrating your knowledge and passion of the field, it’s really helpful.
So I got my degree in Psychology and quickly started working in the mental health field, I soon discovered that sitting at a desk all day writing reports made me miserable and even made me gain weight. Though this was only one experience, it was enough for me to change my major to education and discover that my passion is teaching children. I think passion is so incredibly important when it comes to a job. You spend SO MUCH of your time at work it’s important you enjoy it and feel like you’re making an impact. So if these youtubers quitting their 9-5s was worth pursuing their passion then I have to agree. Though it is true, you may lose your relatability with the change.
Almost all your “self-employed/youtuber struggles” apply to people with 9-5 jobs too lol...we don’t all just work from 9-5, we can work way more and not be paid for it, we can work 7 days a week too, our job is exhausting and can be isolating, we can also think about work all the time, strangers also have opinions about us, our work can be directly tied to our self-image, we don’t all have health insurance or paid time off lol...Andddd I wanted to throw in here that it’s not fair nor accurate to say your job can be more stressful than someone who is employed by another person. All jobs are stressful in their own, unique way...as well as the fact that humans react/deal with things in different ways. Sorry I feel like there is some defensiveness that comes out of people (me) when we hear self-employed people downplay 9-5 jobs or act like one way is better/harder than another. Lol we should all just do what makes our own individual hearts happy haha xoxoxo
Loved the video as always :) Being a fulltime RUclipsr myself, I do recognize some of these challenges we can face, and I strongly agree with the importance of finding something for yourself to do, outside of RUclips. For me it's a couple of things, studying a language and doing yoga for example. It's great for not getting stuck in the RUclips bubble.
"I'm socializing with people. I invited people to come over tomorrow night. That's rare!" That is the most millenial-zoomer thing I've ever heard and it is so painfully relatable.
I think RUclipsrs should at least have a part time jobs or go to college for a degree or certification even if it's just working retail for 20 hrs a week or taking two classes a semester because anything can happen, channels get shut down every day. RUclips can change their rules any time. All it takes is one other RUclipsr to get mad at you and strike your channel down and you have to start over and there goes your RUclips paycheck
My 9-to-5 isn’t perfect but I’m incredibly thankful for it & I think the whole narrative of “office jobs are terrible” is unhelpful because: a) the ratio of money & benefits I receive from my job relative to the number of hours I work is awesome. I think people underestimate just how much time & work it takes being self-employed to achieve a comparable level of compensation. Definitely not impossible, but both are a lot of work- one takes more grit your teeth & bear it patience and the other takes more grind it out sweat equity. B) not all office jobs are monotonous or repetitive. I specialize in project work, so that helps keep me interested & engaged with new challenges in my job every couple of months. C) working solo or remote can be lonely. I really value having colleagues to talk about my work with. My “work” on YT became much more satisfying once I found other creators/“coworkers” to commiserate with. D) a lot office jobs are way more flexible than they used to be thanks to the rise of millienials in the workforce & remote work becoming much more normalized. It’s not impossible to find office jobs that allow you what you need to accommodate the other important things in your life. E) A big part of what people want with self-employment is control over their hours or overall work/life balance. Even just with part time YT, I find that it’s really hard to switch that part of my brain off... and it’s not even my real job, just a hobby I make a little money from. All that to say- neither office jobs nor self employment are perfect. Both have pros & cons, and I think the narrative that the ultimate goal is to be your own boss or that your main source of income has to be your dream job can be really damaging, especially for people first getting started in careers or trying to figure out what they want to do
Great video Tiff! I've been working at a convenience store nearby for years, just above minimum wage an hour of $7.50 starting with absolutely no benefits, not health or paid leave or vacation and barely any raises or anything you'd think someone working for nearly a decade would provide... Except for free coffee which I don't drink and free hot food like pizza which is tbh great because free pizza is the best kind of pizza. The odd hours which messes up my sleep schedule, no actual breaks except a cigarette break even if I'm working 10+ hours. Even if I get like your channel in subscription number and popularity I'm probably going to be doing a lot of things to help me with my income like sponsorships, affiliate marketing, merch, etc plus creating websites and other internet things lol I'm pretty sure of one thing however; If I ever get to the amount of subscriptions and stuff like you (in 37 years) I'ma be still working there except for like 3 or 2 days a week at most a few hours. Can't just live off of the internet with my luck lmao
Seeing how fleeting more “creative career pathways” are like being an artist or a content creator or actor really made me want to pursue a stable, long term career. So now I work in a hospital and I’m dead inside :)
Your channel has grown so much in the last year and it’s been so amazing to watch you succeed! I’m so proud of you. I’ve been watching for at least 8 years and you’ve literally grown up in front of my eyes. Just love ya to pieces!
I used to own 2 animation channels in Spanish with over 6M subs and I was simultaneously working in LA as an editor...my channels didn’t even make minimum wage back then...unfortunately, the production company I used to work for went bankrupt and I suddenly started relying 100% on RUclips income. Since I had no safety net it became by far the most profitable year of my career and I was able to pay all my debt! But now thanks to COPPA, I’m back to square one starting this brand new channel and it’s really tough 😞 RUclips is a rollercoaster but no job is 100% stable either.
If you don‘t need the money; but want something to focus on and interact with others, volunteering can also be very fulfilling- and you‘re doing something good for others as well.
Sewing is my non-monetized hobby too. It's (mostly) relaxing and satisfying. As a writer, my dream is to be able to make money full-time on my books. But I've got a long way to get there. The 9-5 helps me stay financially stable, but still have energy to pursue my writing and other projects. Lately I've been feeling very restless about it, though. Even though I'm progressing in my writing career, there's still a lot of waiting involved. It gets frustrating. This was an interesting watch, and I could apply some parts of it to my own situation.
I'm one of the people who likes having a 9-5 job! I need the stability and routine, when I have time off I can always feel myself spiraling because there's nothing to get me up and around. I also desperately need human interaction every day, and even though I know that about myself I think if I was self employed and spent most of my time in my home I just wouldn't make myself go out and meet people. Also speaking of losing relatability, I think a lot of people just feel irritated because quitting your job to "focus on youtube" is such an out of touch thing, a lot of people don't love their jobs/aren't working in passion fields/are also working multiple jobs, and they can't just quit because they don't like it.
What exactly is Fetch Rewards (the sponsor) getting out of the service they provide? Are they just cataloging information about your grocery shopping habits and selling that to grocery companies for customer profiling?
That's what I expect. Credit card companies already collect this information (as do services like Mint) to sell. There's a lot of conversation about whether companies collecting our private information (browsing, shopping, health, etc) should be paying us for that data. These services like Fetch Rewards that are voluntary opt-in and do give something back in exchange...but they aren't very transparent with where that data goes. I think this is an interesting slice of the privacy and value-of-personal-data conversation.
Emma Foley conversely would people be willing to pay more for their privacy? All these platforms that make a killing on Selling our private/online data are free to use and people use them A LOT: from fetch to google/RUclips, instagram, Facebook etc. so if someone makes the argument that we should be paid for our info, the consumer should be willing to actually pay for the services and entertainment these services and apps provide. Some might be willing and some might not. It would add up really quickly though if we had to pay for all the many platforms we get to use for free in exchange for our data. Or not, maybe people would be on Facebook and Instagram less if they had to pay $10-$15 a month for each. Idk🤷🏾♀️ I have no answers to anything just thinking out loud.
@@nairabee245 this is definitely a thing to consider. If you aren't paying for a commodity then you are the commodity. Did you watch Philosophy Tube's most recent video? It's on this topic, and one of the points he makes is that if you paid to not share your data then you'd still just end up with the poor and more vulnerable being the ones with their data sold for profit.
after reading a lot of the comments I just wanted to point out this community is awesome and there are a loads of people with loads of different points of view and opinions that creates really interesting debates and discussions. please keep doing this :)
I'm a millennial (although on the older side) and I absolutely love my 9 to 5 job. However, it's extremely demanding and high pressure, and I work a lot more than 40 hours a week. There's no way I could also be a youtuber at the same time. With respect to you mentioning that maybe millennials are less suited to that type of job, I think it has to do with lower tolerance for the difficulties of dealing with other people, in person, day after day after day. There's a lot of conflict and people problems and I think that having grown up on the internet, we are in general, less able to deal with that and equally importantly less interested in doing so. The thing that scares me about influencering as a job is that RUclips will not live forever. When it goes down, even with a degree, a lot of people will end up starting at the bottom of their new careers. This may be okay if they saved enough from RUclips, but I'm guessing many will not have done so. It's also really demoralizing to go from a position of respect and essentially power to the very bottom of the pile. There's no shame in the bottom of the pile, but it can be a shock...
Sure but RUclipsrs could get Jobs in marketing, different Jobs that require editing or filming skills, Jobs that require a social media following in some way, market research, content creation in General will always be a suitible job imo.
Hi Tiffany, so I’m a cusper between millennial and gen z and I have a 9-5 corporate job that I used to love. When I started the stability was a huge buy in for me as was the fact that the company was large enough that I had a lot of opportunities to move up. I did move up pretty fast and made a good enough amount of money that I could support myself and my husband, who has a chronic illness. But the things that have made it hard for me to continue to work there are things like: the culture devaluing younger people as the management teams are disproportionately older, the condescending nature of the way older management tries to relate to those younger people, and the company values/late stage capitalism not aligning with my values. The work is fun and challenging and I have fulfilling opportunities to lift up other people but being told by your boss that you are the “token millennial” on the team and “not like other [young people]” is super demoralizing.
To be quite honest as someone who doesn't do youtube but has a history of quitting my job. I think its important to find the combination of factors that make a job pleasurable. Ex. Flexible schedules, Short Commutes, great culture etc.
Hey Tiffany! Love your videos! I have an idea for a video that I would love to hear you talking about, especially since I don’t think it’s something that’s talked about enough.. and that’s “dads ‘helping’ moms with the kids”. It may be interesting!
Hello, on the 9-5 desirability topic speaking for my POV and experience... in school and uni I used to always want a 'glamours' office job but the reality is that it's just not all that glam... I do struggle to keep inspired in an office when you have to fight so many battles to put good content out there (I'm a social media exec btw) when having my own YT channel, IG page and Blog gives me so much more freedom. So I can 100% see the appeal and understand all of these YTrs choices. xx
Very relatable topics covered in this video. I"m currently a senior majoring in finance that is set to graduate in April. I'm currently working full-time, as a co-op within the finance department at an energy company downtown. I absolutely hate my 9-5 and I've been looking for a way out for months. Unfortunately, my family relies on my income. Like you stated, creatives can struggle to adapt to the structure. I'm a former professional pastry chef and while I like finance, I do not like the corporate environment at all. Being a couple months from graduating I've been going back and forth on what I want to do when I graduate. Seek an MBA, work in finance, work in sports, focus on my businesses (RUclips and home-based pastry chef). Some routes are more sure and stable, especially financially. Others will speak more to my passion. It's a really tough decision and it's hard to find something that makes money while doing something you enjoy. Sidenote, good for you finishing college. I really respect that you're able to do both college and RUclips. It's a struggle.
I'd love to see more about how combine youtube with other forms of knowledge. E.g. if you do these essays, can you also write the same content up as articles for journalism and sell them to magazines? Or academic papers or letters? 1 day a week advisor for a social media team for a company. I'd love to see examples of people connecting their youtube content to other, more traditional domains. Also, of course, save some of your money now.
Just wanna add my 2 cents. I'm a 21 year old who had worked as a bank teller since i was 19, and have recently moved up and have been promoted to a Loan Clerk position. 8-4. And I find it very fulfilling. Its definitely difficult as someone who is very ADD and have a terrible time focusing and finding myself having to listen to podcasts to keep me motivated and focused. But the idea of building a career for myself is very exciting for me. I don't think I could survive as a youtuber because I wouldn't have that structure that a career job would have.
Im not a youtuber, but I've always tried and failed because of my motivation and naivety. But i always look up to this life of posting something people enjoy and making enough from that content to live comfortably. I know it is absolutely unreasonable because you have to be lucky and hard working and very motivated. Currently i work 40 hours a week, third shift, and I'm trying to balance writing, my hobbies, sleep, and keeping my home clean. Its very difficult!! So youtubers who were working 9-5 and doing youtube, I applaud them! Also another point, you spoke about going through college and doing youtube and not having to be young and single to do RUclips. Theres a youtuber named lilsimsie who does daily sims videos and handles a college workload. Another youtuber who is a mother to 3, does long, well researched videos on true crime cases and history. She also talks about current events or shorter true crime on fridays. And i bet theres loads more just I cant think of it
hello, as for the future video about thhis topic (not getting into the whole covid situation, since we don't even know how workplace will look like)- I think it would be nice to aknowldge that there aren't any 9-5 jobs- if you add the time you have to get to the job (or that's a different shift even). The thing is- boomers had local jobs, had local stores, they traveled less distance, the situation now is very different.
wow thanks for the book rec! i got it right away. i graduated in 2018 and i'm still unemployed lmfao it's hard!! it's difficult to both stop feeling like you're worthless & also trying to find the will to look for jobs... now i'm getting a masters and hopefully being back to that enviroment will give me the push to keep trying lol! as for youtubers, i think it's not a good move to quit your job, or at least they should save a good part of what they earn for the future because you never know. we see famous youtubers getting terrible views after a while all the time. love your videos, tiffany!!
I'm not a RUclipsr so I can't speak from personal experience but I can imagine that "getting out of the RUclips bubble" is crucial to the creative process of coming up with video ideas. If your only input is the RUclips world, your source of inspiration becomes very limited
Hot take it’s refreshing to see what companies my favorite youtubers partner with and I don’t mind certain channels’ sponsorships when they’re transparent about how they feel about the sponsorships they take :)
Very interesting and well researched video, thanks ! I do not agree with the idea thta 9-5 jobs don't get inside your free time, though. It is really hard to not work outside your workplace for many people, and your job can also occupy a lot of your mental space even when you're not at work. Work-life balance is not an issue specific to freelancers.
I was self employed and then went to a 9-5. Now, my 9-5 is a work from home position with a very flexible schedule and doing something I love, so not a traditional 9-5 in many ways. To me, this is the best of both worlds. I get benefits like paid time off, health insurance, and avoiding the stress of running a business, but I also have a lot of flexibility and creativitley fulfilling work.
Great video as usual Tiffany! Please do you tubers who drop out of college for RUclips careers. This might be oddly specific to “bro fitness” RUclips but I’ve seen quite a few 19-21 year old bros drop out after maybe getting 100k-300k subscribers and I roll my eyes while unsubscribing because it sends such a bad/unrealistic message to their younger fans.
I've been thinking about perhaps filming a few videos as I don't see myself reflected in anyone on here. I work for the govt--have done since I was 19--in clerical and technical admin roles, despite being intensely creative and drawn to the arts. I also have very poor health which, while it is a big part of my life, I have no desire to mope about of sing a pity party about. I have so many thoughts and opinions and no family and friends nearby, so I have no one to tell without feeling like I am yelling into the void. But like, what is the point? I've never made a youtube video or a blog or anything. I don't have a social media following, or many friends, no connections or high powered earning capacity. I'm just a random nobody at the bottom of the world.... why bother? I have to keep working to survive but I can't really do much else. Seeing the privilige and flaunting of wealth is obnoxious, out of touch, hedonistic and utterly self-centred. If even 1/100 of the world's people below the poverty line were as privileged as me, we would be in a much better position than we are: what on earth do I have to complain about? My opinion and thoughts are an unremarkable drop of water in the ocean: pointless, timewasting and will wash away in the blink of an eye in the depths of the oceans of time, meaningless as heckin' tears in rain or something like watching the original theatre cut of Blade Runner (awful, unwelcome).
It think it would be interesting to see a vid on the 9-5 thing! As i've grown up my perspective has changed on this. I think 9-5 can be really nice for people who like structure in their and need that through outside incentive (if that's the right way to put it). Also, being self-employed is not a job. It sounds great, but I think in reality it only actually is great when you are really really passionate about something. Because it does come with a lot of extra baggage as well. You need to manage more, life/work balance can be hard, being the sole person responsible for the succes of whatever you're doing, etc.
Being self-employed is SO much more stressful than working a 9 to 5 for someone else. I have a small online bussiness and work is 24/7. Since it is an online bussiness it is like having a social media job + a regular bussiness. Still I love my job, and it is the lifestyle I chose, it has a lot of advantages.
Something that I haven’t seen brought up yet is that to me, when a youtuber starts talking about making videos as a literal job that they are doing because of a financial incentive, it makes everything feel somewhat less authentic. You can count on the fact that people who make content for fun/as a hobby are being honest about their level of enjoyment on the platform. Not making content becomes the equivalent of not showing up for work that week, so it forces the creator to put something, anything up so they can pay the bills.
14:48 you don’t realise the benefits of a 9-5 until you don’t do it. I’m self employed but my hours mean I can’t go for drinks after work or go to shows with my friends because they all work 9-5 and I’m often still working at 7pm or on Saturday.
Unrelated but I really love your hand gestures and the way you speak. You could be talking about the most boring thing ever but I'd find it interesting
@@tiffanyferg I hope this didnt sound like a backhanded compliment! Like I love your content but if you were to talk about like pipelines I'd still be into it bc of your communication skills :)
Though I'd like to be self employed (I want to make my art a career), I'm not going to complete rule out a 9-5 office job. I'd rather sit in an office all day than work retail, that's for sure. My main concern is supporting myself while managing my disability/disorders. I couldn't stay focused for 8+ hours straight, nor would I have the energy to work for that long (especially if it involves talking to people). I have so many ideas that I want to do things with at some point in my life and now that I'm going to be entering my 20s this year, I'm more aware that there's a ticking clock and it'll be harder to do what I love when I have to work a full time job. At the same time, the thought of not having that safety net (steady income, health insurance, etc.) makes me anxious. A goal I've had for a long time is to have financial security, to make sure that I'm not living from paycheck to paycheck. I understand that this is at odds with making my art a career and I honestly don't know what direction I'm going after I graduate college. I'm on my second semester of my sophomore year, but I know that my junior and senior year will go by quickly.
i never understood the hate for sponsored adds. like. if the youtubers arent getting paid. well. that just means they are miserable, without money and need to get back to their job. which then means. less of the youtuber i love to watchg. also. when we're talking about the !good! youtubers like you and the YTers you like to mention, sponsors/adds have never been a problem to begin with. yall are fantastic and charismatic and you know how to present an add. i much prefer you guys getting sponsors, than you having to put 5 out of character mid roll ads in the video to cover the same amount of money.
I have 3 jobs, two "day" jobs and a side job that is content creation in a specific gaming platform. I struggle with burnout constantly, but none of my three jobs earn enough to quit one of them. I am so jealous of people who can quit their day job! Maybe someday...
From a non-RUclipsr perspective - I worked a 9-5 web design job for 3 years after college. I liked it, especially in the beginning when I was growing my skills constantly, and having a stable income/benefits was great. But as a pretty free-spirited person, I knew I didn't want to be there forever, and saved up my money for about 2 years so I could take a 6-month sabbatical to hike from Mexico to Canada. It was the best experience of my life, but it also totally ruined me in some ways when it comes to traditional work. Now that I'm back, I've been working as a freelance designer to save up for my next hiking trip. It's really hard sometimes to stay motivated being self-employed. Ultimately I'm pursuing working as a guide at a wilderness therapy center to use my love of the outdoors to meet some of the world's needs, while getting to be more active. This journey for me would have been much, much harder if I was in debt/living paycheck to paycheck - my privilege has definitely given me the safety net to really go after my dreams without being afraid I won't have a place to sleep at night. But I'm thankful to have realized that I don't have to climb the corporate ladder.
As someone who struggles to like any of the full-time/9-to-5 jobs I've had, I would absolutely love a video on the topic of those that do. Obviously, I know that all jobs have their bad sides and sometimes you just need to suck it up because the rent is due, but I am still working to find a job that will provide me a touch of personal satisfaction, a proper career where I feel like I am contributing something postive. I know there's many folks who say "just let your job be a job and let your hobbies and family fulfill you", but if I am spending 9+ a day traveling to my job/working that job/maybe taking home extra work, I want a little bit of long-term enjoyment out of that time! Haha. I would also be interested in a video on self-employment and hearing more about your family's experiences as being 'self-employers'? Anyways, great video as always!
I'm not full time, but I am in a corporate job 9-5 3 days a week. I do love that 9-5 life. Not all the time, but it helps my mental health in the long run, having somewhere to go, a job to and forced face-to-face socialization. There is youth out there that it is suited to :)
I worked as a baker for years in a bakery and in a restaurant and my hours were never normal. Once I got married I quit my job because we had to move (hello military life). It’s been almost five years and I have two kids so getting a 9-5 job doesn’t interest me solely because I don’t want to be gone from my kids all day. But my husband works a 9-5 and loves it. It’s not in the field he wants to be in forever, but he’s content right now and making a plan on how he can switch careers while still having stability. I am working on building my own bakery business 1. Because it’s my passion and I went to school for it (hello - maybe build a business USING your degree if that’s something you want) and 2 - if/when it becomes successful and we are able to hire employees and buy a brick and mortar it’ll be a source of “stable” income for us.
You re so funny. I was an Early Education major in college (did get my Bachelors in it)...and decided to work at a childcare center. I worked exactly ONE DAY and just didn't return. I didn't call, didn't look back. It was a horrible place and supposedly it was for "rich kids." My goodness. I just had to say something bc you said you had a similar experience. I went on to get my Masters Degree in Rehabilitation Counseling, worked in that for several years before the military really started moving us around. Now, I RUclips! LOL!! Good luck in your endeavors.
I love my 9-5 job. I can't figure out why office jobs get such bad press. I totally get that some people don't find that type of work appealing. But I also don't get why people generalize "traditional jobs" as "9-5 office jobs...the only people I know who work a 9-5 office job are my coworkers at my 9-5 office job...
I loved my 9-5 job and not being my own boss, because I really struggle with creating a daily routine for me, so having a stable job with hours I cannot decide on was liberating. I quit this job to study media sciences and English. Since then, I completely lost my daily routine, am more unreliable concerning appointments, and live way more unhealty. Looking forward to my next 9-5 job.
I made RUclips videos full time for the past two years, but I recently got my first registered nursing job last week. My mental health was deteriorating from living in a RUclips bubble. Now that I have a job I'm passionate about, I view RUclips as my outlet and it feels more fun :)
Penny Tovar Congratulations! I’m graduating this year so I’m praying to get a good job as well lol. I love your channel and my Mom is an RN at a hospital too:)
I actually think that the quality of content tends to get worse when youtubers quit. It might be better edited etc. but the content itself gets kind of boring? I enjoy part time youtubers way more, they seem happier, they engage more with the general world and overall the videos reflect that. I think a lot of full time youtubers' lives seem sort of empty, and they attempt to fill it up with hauls, house reno vlogs, etc. etc. and lack inspiration to produce something truly creative.
I completely agree! I used to watch Michelle Reed a lot but ever since she quit her regular job, her videos haven’t been the same and also I can’t relate to her content any more.
Maybe that’s why I enjoy analysis videos / topical sorts so much, it doesn’t rely on the maker having an interesting life. For vloggers, I agree. I like a slice of life every now and then if they are excited and enthused for the video, rather than scrounging for content
I definitely feel like it’s important for all youtubers to have back up plans cause internet “fame” is so fleeting. Not saying I’m famous or anything but I have a lot of passions outside of youtube that I still pursue along side getting my degree. I think taking advantage of your online platform while it’s thriving is great but don’t expect it to last forever and work on other things on the side.
@@quinn7937 that is true, but considering how quickly she rose to huge yt fame in her senior year of high school she was a prime case for not going to uni and instead focusing on her channel. She must have made a lot of money by now. She has a video specifically about why she thinks it's important to continue your education, and as a large portion of her target audience is young, I think it's just really nice to see.
kittenswithbows i agree, i think it’s very admirable that she continued her education and still uploads consistently. i honestly think it’s disappointing when people use the excuse of youtube for not going to college. i just wanted to point out that a lot of other youtubers do it as well. :)
I think having a "real" job is one of the reasons why Cristine's channel runs very consistantly good. I think many full time content creators can feel very anxious about certain videos not doing well and resort to content they're not as passionate about.
Yes yes yes! I will never get over how much research you put into every single video and I leave feeling like I just attended a class at Ferg University.
The concept of relatability is so weird to me. Like when people say that Emma chamberlain is relatable. What’s so relatable about an 18 year old girl who makes millions and is also able to afford her own apartment in LA at such a young age? Like... how many 18 year olds have the privelege to start their own coffee line and have it be successful from the start? What’s so different about RUclipsrs that it makes you relate to them but you can’t relate to your coworkers who are also working the same amount of hours and are dealing with almost the same amount of stress? Not saying that you can’t relate to RUclipsrs but exactly how are they relatable?
I think they mean she’s not like a lot of other influencers. She doesn’t seem fake, doesn’t have plastic surgery, her life doesn’t revolve around how she looks, etc. She’s definitely funny and outgoing. She’s not relatable in her career but I would say she is in her personality and other aspects, compared to some of these other RUclipsrs/influencers.
Remy Killunmg her brand and life certainly revolves around how she looks, her instagram promotes her RUclips which is mostly her posing for professionally photographed posts there’s a side of being a RUclipsr based on your looks and especially as a young teenage woman, young girls like supporting pretty girls. Young woman who aren’t the most appealing or attractive are generally not the most famous on RUclips for young female viewers. I think what you mean is that she promotes this sense of not feeling forced to always be presentable within her videos. Like she’ll have messy hair and just start filming which makes viewers feel like they shouldn’t feel pressure to always look good at all times of the day. It’s like knowing that it’s perfectly normal to not wear makeup 24/7 and she’s showing u this.
I feel they confused relatability to "living vicariously through celebrities". They "relate" to her as in many young female viewers want to live the life that she has, doing something you love and earning a luxury living at that.
remy killunmg, kris pong, and lin z all have the right points. yes emma is an 18-yr-old millionaire with the privilege to have her own coffee brand and work with brands like lv but she doesn't make that the focus of her videos. i mean ofc they're IN her videos, but the main thing that attracts people to her is her personality and how she presents herself to the public, which is what's "relatable" here. emma films in paris for paris fashion week but most of the video is her in her hotel room reacting to everything the way a normal teenager would. she doesn't give you the feeling she's putting up a front or fake persona for youtube and other social media unlike some other influencers. she films her videos not looking her best like with messy hair, sweaty, just wearing a hoodie and shorts, etc, like what most of the people in her demographic and target audience look like when they're chilling by themselves. she speaks casually about things most influencers wouldn't bring up or skirt around but are totally natural, gross as they might seem, like periods and farts and acne. she's chill and has her own friends and family and problems yet she's worked hard to earn and keep her massive channel and get sponsors from big brands (yes, she DOES work hard for videos. anyone who says filming and editing videos even on emma's level is easy is heavily underestimating the work). she presents herself like any other teenager and makes that the focus of her videos, but one look around her shows she's not. it's kind of like she's sending a message that any random teen can become successful if they try and love what they're doing and are consistent. like lin z said, her audience of mostly teen girls probably like to "live" through emma, and the reason why it's so easy for them to do that in the first place is because emma seems so much like them, not some untouchable famous person way up there on a pedestal. she's "relatable" not because of her money or possessions, but because of HER. she films in her million-dollar house but doesn't make videos ABOUT her million-dollar house, get what i mean? that's why she's "relatable". maybe it's not for you or you just don't get it, but that's ok. just don't put hate on her because she does work hard and you get the sense she loves her fans and what she does. also most of her instagram pics are taken by her friends i think? idrk but even if they were professional she does stupid poses too and posts pictures of her with her middle finger up or in a dumb face lol. i'm so sorry for the essay have a good day
i love how simply gets brought up whenever the topic of youtube vs traditional career gets brought up. honestly, her having 3 successful jobs while maintaining a realistic outlook and taking care of herself is like...a flex.
@Death Omen it's because the government of Canada pays very well and has a lot of perks, and since she and her common law both work there they don't have to be as stressed about their income supporting them well. When you are financially stable you tend to have a better mental health because of reduced stress and better opportunities to get help, so she would be able to do all her passion projects and do her job without being too overworked or stressed.
This is a very important topic. I know many RUclipsrs who have full time jobs with 100K-1M subscribers. And many run a full time business outside of RUclips the way I do. RUclips is also isolating. Creativity should not become a chore. It’s often a very difficult lifestyle to keep up with for a lot of people. Then there is the shelf life of being relevant. 3-5 years after your peak is what is normal. Oh and most people don’t stay frugal and refuse to live humble and invest their money. Matt Pat did a presentation on building a RUclips Exit Strategy at an event.
@@Reign14forever I just drift away from RUclipsr's who just have money on their minds, "bUy mY mErCH", "fIfTY pErcEnt oFf", etc, I'm not into that but that's just how I see it I guess
Relatability is only relevant if they haven't invested their money wisely. Jeffree Starr is a great example. He has invested in the makeup industry. He has invested in properties that he rents/sells. He's invested in a LOT and he's made his unrelatable lifestyle somehow relatable. His marketing team is fucking genius. And honestly even if his RUclips career falls. He's more then set with his other businesses.
I tend to watch youtubers who have real life jobs and I enjoy their content. However, once they quit their job, I tend to not watch their videos or enjoy them anymore
I feel so happy every time you mention a sponser becuse that means you're getting financial recognition for your work and thats more important than we like to admit
* captions are being made, they should be up soon! * hope you guys enjoy today's dive into work, careers, the commodification of our lives, etc!!
TIME STAMPS BELOW:
0:00 - intro
0:46 - some "big" creators balance a full-time career + youtube (like Simply Nailogical)
2:20 - is quitting your career to focus on youtube irresponsible?
3:45 - should we risk trading a secure job for an unstable one?
4:40 - what is life after youtube?
5:34 - should we prioritize in life? our careers? happiness? money?
6:47 - sponsor moment!
7:59 - youtubers who have recently quit their 9-5s to become self-employed / full-time content creators (Brooke Miccio, Natalie Barbu, Katy Bellotte, & Michelle Reed)
10:55 - how did their viewers react?
12:22 - losing relatability
14:25 - are 9-5 jobs undesirable?
15:08 - "follow your dreams! if you're not happy, just quit your job!!"
17:30 - privilege, advantages, & luck
19:00 - does this all make 9-5 jobs look bad?
19:56 - tangent about my personal work preferences and ~entrepreneurial spirit~
22:04 - what about when other youtubers quit their jobs? (such as Jarvis Johnson)
23:25 - how does quitting affect your content?
24:39 - productivity content good, hustle culture content bad!!
25:14 - too many sponsors! too many ads!
26:08 - the struggles of being a youtuber
27:41 - strangers have opinions about your personal life
29:15 - oversharing, boundaries, and selling your life as content
29:54 - "How To Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy" by Jenny Odell
31:12 - don't get stuck in the RUclips Bubble
34:35 - thank u goodbye
Socially Unacceptable?
I love how everything is organized, thank you Tiffany :)
"I'm a senior in college"
Me: 👏👏
tiffanyferg THANK YOU SOO MUCH FOR THE CAPTIONS, THEY HELP A TON
thank you so much for the captions!!!
oh hi... holo there!! Very interesting analysis Tiffany I like your approach! I hope more young people listen to thoughtful perspectives like yours on topics like this :) Also, disclaimer: I am a proud member of the pro 9-5 jobs team - if you find one you like and that is worth it for you! I happen to love mine. If I hated it, my life might be a different story. Anyways, good video and lots of commentary to provoke further thought. Maybe I will discuss in more detail on my channel one day. Thanks for inspiring and making people think :)
Love you cristine 💜
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omg i literally thought of you as soon as i saw the title 😳
I also think it’s a good idea to have a stable day job. A RUclips career can be extremely volatile and your income can be destroyed with any little RUclips policy change and a RUclipsr may have no safety net.
You're so awesome
Its crazy how she's so monotone.....yet so interesting....funny....nonchalant.....and enthusiastic....... all at the same time.
I Stan.
Yes! I love the content and her personality, but I can still fall asleep while listening to her
I really enjoy having the same volume for whole sentences. There is a lot of creators who start their sentences louder and end half as loud. Or they ennd sentences like news anchors. With her I can put the volume to a normal setting and still enjoy all of what she has to say without changing the volume or unnecessary breaks.
Her voice doesn’t fluctuate a lot, but I wouldn’t call her monotone.
Good for me, it's easy to understand. :) I get so distracted by tonal accents because my first language is very monotone.
@@hinatanin In my defense, I'm deaf so I can't control my volume as much as I used to, LMAO!
I work a 9 to 5 in an office and like it. I like being able to finish work at the end of the day. I like being able to have weekends to myself, and 25 days of paid annual leave. I like having health insurance and a pension, and knowing how much to budget each month. I like having coworkers to socialise with every day and a reason to leave my house.
I'm sure not everyone with a 9 to 5 has it quite as good as me, but I feel like pop culture almost always portrays steady work in any office as tedious and soul crushing, when it really doesn't have to be.
Completely agree. Too many ppl are into "hustle culture" and not getting "stuck" in a 9-5 even tho that 9 to 5 will most likely offer stability and not being overworked
If you don’t mind me asking, what do you do for your job?
The people who complain about 9-5 office jobs have never worked a shitty service job where you are underpaid, overworked, and mistreated.
I mean I like my job in hospitality (5 start country hotel/restaurant/small conference centre/ winery). The people are generally cool and stuff, but the hours are draining and I have lost so much connection with my friends because I’m always busy at nights and the weekend.
I crave a 9-5 job with consistent hours during the week and nights to be social at the same time as my friends.
@@bella6843 I am not her but my job could be described the same. I am an Architect who is responsible for overseeing construction sides and for calculations and a lot of the organisatory stuff regarding building a building xD.
I can come when I like. I have 25 days paid leave. I have 2 paid days off for education. I love my coworkers! I love all my 5! bosses because they themselves are still in touch with their employees!
But... I spent 7 years at university to get this job.... Well.... It was worth it in the end but you should only dwdicate this amount of time to a field you love.
Oh and btw I am living in Germany!
I could never be a full-time RUclipsr. I need a job that has structure and that makes me leave the house everyday and forces me to interact with the people around me. I enjoy having something I have to get out of my home to do. I am also a workaholic so I am certain I would almost never stop working, which isn't healthy. Though I enjoy being creative, I would prefer that be a hobby so that when I am not working, I can also be doing something I enjoy.
I feel exactly the same! :)
BlueBubble9 I’m the same
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This is different from being a RUclipsr but my aunt won millions on the lottery and even tho people around her don’t understand why she’s still working, she didn’t quit her job and still goes everyday. She says she’d go crazy if she was laying down next to the pool everyday and even travelling non stop would drive her crazy!
so well said! this is exactly how I feel too
9 to 5 sounds better than shift work to me 😅 not knowing what hours you’ll work in a couple of weeks and not having a normal sleeping routine sounds hard to me!
Caroline Xenia P I agree with you 💯. I like the structure of a schedule. Shift work would drive me crazy. I’m awake in the middle of the day so I might as well be working. To each their own though.
Yep. I work shift work, and even though it's mostly the same schedule repeating every two weeks, working different times of day all the time makes it really hard to have consistent hobbies or social activities outside of work.
As a former shift worker who spiralled down into a depression after a year to the point of crying at least once a week I do agree.
Heck even flex work is terrible. Being able to be employed between 8am and 10pm was horrible. It ruined my health.
I would honestly not even mind working dead of night as long as it had routine and stability.
I sincerely hope research over work issues regarding shift and flex work improves over time.
Yep, I work retail while at university and I hate not being able to plan what I'm doing ahead of time, because it depends on what the rota will be, and managers can change the rota. 9-5 is appealing purely because it's set hours.
Can we just take a minute to appreciate how good her content is?
Aww thank you!!
I always say you should never do YT solely until you're at like 200k. Even then, never give up on education, this website has nothing promised.
EDIT: Yeah, I'll always be thankful that I had the chance to do this, but frankly you lose a lot of your personal life, your relationships with friends/family can be hit, your health - your life becomes your channel. I've become much healthier in treating it like a real job these days and trying to make habits to take myself away from it for set hours during the day. I think if you start YT as a hobby when you're off school or work doing this becomes much harder because at the root, it was something you made out of all your free time.
My ex quit his education in his last semester to become "a youtuber" while living off his parents. We broke up and now 6 years later he has 50k tiktok followers and is so proud 🤦♀️🤦♀️ he didnt work his entire 20s. How is he not worried about his future.
exactly!!
Not gonna lie, I love my structured 30 hour a week job. No, it’s not glamorous, no, I don’t make a shit ton of money. I feel like, most people only value those types of jobs if you’re getting super rich from it and like tbh, sometimes a job is just a job and there’s nothing wrong with that. Why do people have to constantly shit on desk jobs? You can get value and meaning from your life outside of how you make money. In fact, I find it freeing that I don’t get my meaning in life from my job. Maybe das just me doe 🤷🏽♀️
Work to live not living to work! I am self-employed as I enjoy it the most but I still have that philosophy of working to live a great life not work being my everything.
I currently do love my job and find a lot of meaning in it, but I've also had work I liked a lot in the past which was totally lacking in any sort of deep meaning.
There is peace and happiness in work of all kinds, from the most menial to the most complex. But people have a hard time perceiving that, and understanding the boundaries (or lack of) between themselves and the rest of the universe.
Alexandra Kershner agreed
You’re lucky. I have to find fulfillment and satisfactory in my work because a lot of time is put into it. My mental state can/will be affected, so I just need like a job I’d be happy to wake up to and not dread on it. You literally spend more than half your life in work, so I just need to make sure it’s worth it...
Alexandra Kershner im the same. I love that my hobbies are OUTSIDE of my job and that once I leave my office, I can focus (mostly) on things I like. i wouldnt wanna go travell (my fav “hobby”) and kinda spoil it with always thinking about eg content for youtube etc.
passions don’t always turn into careers for most, so that kinda makes working generally undesirable
Yeah, most people have to work jobs that aren't neccessarily their dream, but that's kind of the way it is.
I'm sure most people would prefer not to work and have the time to pursue their dreams, but you have to make money somehow
Sis you mad modest with the mid-rolls! Lol I feel like a quality video this long Noone would bat an eye at atleast 6 mid-rolls. Even if it's sponsored
Nos Man Ent. Hahah thanks! But yeah I try not to add too many, especially in a sponsored video! But appreciate that you wouldn’t mind ✨
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youtube isn't gonna be around forever, people that quit their jobs for youtube better have a backup plan lmao
iconic it really depends on so many things. Your goals, your channel size, content/views, income, the list is long. I heard earlier something about the first billionaire solely through RUclips isn’t far off for 2021 & I don’t doubt that at all. Some ppl get $300,000++++ per sponsor per video. Some people feel worthless/directionless without having some type of job/income consistently coming in, some people could never make a video again & absolutely survive off the income they have in the bank currently. I think ppl really underestimate the income that a RUclips career can generate. I know personally my goal is not to be rich but I do want to incur a lot of money- mostly to be able to live comfortably, leave my son some money & help ppl who have dealt with similar struggles literally (monetarily) & figuratively. I wish I had the balls to start a RUclips channel bc I know I have a lot to offer and many topics I could cover w expertise & really help ppl through the platform. Someday I think I will
I think it depends on a case by case situation. Like it depends on what your ultimate goals are. I would also say it depends on how well your channel is doing. I mean if you’re channel is really gaining traction and the demand for content is there, it might not be a bad thing to put focus on that channel. Especially if what you want is your brand to grow. And often times that “brand” or your fame can lead to other things. Business deals, acting gigs, hosting gigs. Or it might give you the chance to go to exclusive events where you can use the opportunity to network which then can lead to other things. No I dont think people should focus on RUclips only. But it’s not like quitting your day job is inherently a bad idea either. I think it just depends on what your goals are.
And a lot of ones that I've seen spend like there's no tomorrow.
Ebaumsworld bout to make comeback!
As if regular 9-5s will be around forever better have a backup plan lmao
I'm not even a millennial, I'm in gen z, and I really love my office job. I finished college early so that I could have the time to try jobs that I was interested in. I like the repetition, knowing what to expect, and my coworkers. Luckily, my family is also supportive and if I ever want to quit or try something risky, I can. But I think I'll always stick to office type work, I like it
nothingpersonalhomie I’m a millennial (24) and I feel the same way. I work in public libraries so there is a bit of flex in my schedule (1-2 weekend shifts a month and I close at 8 once a week) but other than that I’m done with work by 5. The structure and lack of stress it brings has drastically improved my anxiety from my previous chaotic job.
Me too! I love the sense of stability
@@nothingpersonalhomie omg same.
Becky T you work in a library ? Lucky one.
someone needs to make a compilation of Tiffany saying "generally".
I am self employed and I have to say that working my 9-5 was much more stressful. Also self employment doesn’t mean no paid time off, no health insurance or other benefits. If you know what you’re doing and you manage your business and money properly, you can give yourself paid time off and health insurance (though I still think that shit is too damn expensive lol).
My problem with full time YTers is their lack of practicality. Filming you LA life and creating merchandise with your name and face on it isn’t gonna keep food on the table. And it seems like, judging by a lot of their lifestyles (flex culture), they aren’t being very smart about their finances either.
I can only speak for myself but if I was given the same opportunities as them (be able to make a living just filling myself living) I’d be putting that money into something that will keep making me money long after the YT buzz wears off. I think that’s why the beauty YTers are doing so well. They’ve started business in a field that will always be in demand.
I just noticed that a lot of YTers get big, quit their jobs, move to LA and spend their time making even shitter content with the same 20 people that are also making shitty content.
I recently made a big career change and I can’t tell you how many of these girls’ videos I watched when I was going through the thought process of wanting to quit my job in NYC to follow my dreams. I was personally inspired by their stories and it only motivated me further even though I wasn’t quitting my job to be a full time influencer (I ended up going to esthetician school). It was still interesting to see other women my age struggling with the big city corporate job life and it made me feel less alone. I was always constantly surrounded by people who loved their office jobs and when I started hating mine, it felt “wrong” that I hated it if that makes sense. I tried to swallow my feelings for a bit because it felt that working a 9-5 in an office was what I was “supposed” to do
My current hate for the 9-5 is rooted deeply in my 4 hours of commuting time per day and how little I see of other people. Hoping to get my time structured more healthily when this contract runs out. Never commuting again if I can help it.
Your ideas for videos are always so relevant, interesting, and well-researched! So happy to follow along & support your work. Amazing. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
People upset that their relatable "RUclipsrs" are struggling balancing two jobs and need to quit one to keep their viewers entertained. Hmm.
Edit: Okay, no. These women weren't being crushed by their 9-5. They were being crushed by working two jobs at the same time. I feel like this is completely being glossed over to embrace the narrative that these women are privileged, not relatable and potentially entitled.
my thoughts exactly. not to get political buuut there is some cough cough misogynist subtext in those complaints. Also the resentment that their life decisions might generate among their viewers! If they have that safety net to fall back on it's not because it was handed to them, they worked maybe 10 years on their channels and other social media until it started to actually pay off enough to dedicate all of their time to improve their content. Yes, not all people have the equipment or the charisma to have a channel with a lot of views and sponsors and stuff, but the whole "quitting their REAL job to do RUclips which ISN'T a real job!!!!1!!" perpetuates the narrative that creative jobs are not serious and therefore shouldn't be remunerated as well as "real" jobs. What's the difference between selling a product or service for someone else in exchange for a salary and doing it by yourself to benefit yourself? Arts are profitable and people should be able to profit off of it if they want to and have an audience willing to pay for it, folks. It's not that hard.
And then they constantly harp on donations, patreon, send me this, support me that...
Ughhh... if u can't support YOURSELF then dont quit ur job!
HIGHLY RECOMMEND Emily Guendelsberger's book On The Clock: What Low Wage Work Did To Me And Why It's Driving America Insane. My opinion, and one of the points made in the book, is that technology has made everyone beholden to their bossess on a minute to minute basis where they weren't before. Your boss used to have to keep a time card and like write you up for being late. Now an app notifies them you were late.
Melissa Nichols oooh that sounds very interesting! I’ll check it out ✨
I genuinely learn more and care more about these videos than anything I learn in a week of school.
Though I’m not at *that* point in my RUclips “career” where I would consider going full-time, I found that as someone who is interested in going into a career in entertainment, being a RUclipsr is a HUGE benefit. I got my first internship at a well-known company (without much campus club experience) mainly because of my RUclips channel.
Having a channel is also helpful since recruiters can get a sense of your personality especially if you‘re talking in front of a camera. Granted RUclips is clearly applicable to the entertainment field, but if you create videos on any subject/industry demonstrating your knowledge and passion of the field, it’s really helpful.
I feel like it can be depressing just being a full-time RUclipsr and isolating staying home all day.
So I got my degree in Psychology and quickly started working in the mental health field, I soon discovered that sitting at a desk all day writing reports made me miserable and even made me gain weight. Though this was only one experience, it was enough for me to change my major to education and discover that my passion is teaching children. I think passion is so incredibly important when it comes to a job. You spend SO MUCH of your time at work it’s important you enjoy it and feel like you’re making an impact. So if these youtubers quitting their 9-5s was worth pursuing their passion then I have to agree. Though it is true, you may lose your relatability with the change.
Almost all your “self-employed/youtuber struggles” apply to people with 9-5 jobs too lol...we don’t all just work from 9-5, we can work way more and not be paid for it, we can work 7 days a week too, our job is exhausting and can be isolating, we can also think about work all the time, strangers also have opinions about us, our work can be directly tied to our self-image, we don’t all have health insurance or paid time off lol...Andddd I wanted to throw in here that it’s not fair nor accurate to say your job can be more stressful than someone who is employed by another person. All jobs are stressful in their own, unique way...as well as the fact that humans react/deal with things in different ways. Sorry I feel like there is some defensiveness that comes out of people (me) when we hear self-employed people downplay 9-5 jobs or act like one way is better/harder than another. Lol we should all just do what makes our own individual hearts happy haha xoxoxo
I could cry with how proud I am of you! you deserve to make it as big as possible
I would love to see the video on 9-5 jobs vs being self employed!
Olivia Wells it’s a super deep topic . I always like seeing other people’s take on it.
Loved the video as always :) Being a fulltime RUclipsr myself, I do recognize some of these challenges we can face, and I strongly agree with the importance of finding something for yourself to do, outside of RUclips. For me it's a couple of things, studying a language and doing yoga for example. It's great for not getting stuck in the RUclips bubble.
"I'm socializing with people. I invited people to come over tomorrow night. That's rare!"
That is the most millenial-zoomer thing I've ever heard and it is so painfully relatable.
I think RUclipsrs should at least have a part time jobs or go to college for a degree or certification even if it's just working retail for 20 hrs a week or taking two classes a semester because anything can happen, channels get shut down every day. RUclips can change their rules any time. All it takes is one other RUclipsr to get mad at you and strike your channel down and you have to start over and there goes your RUclips paycheck
Kre'Neshia Allen even volunteering would be good to keep learn and gain experience to add to a resume other than their social media work
@@KathleenAndEmmaShow very true
My 9-to-5 isn’t perfect but I’m incredibly thankful for it & I think the whole narrative of “office jobs are terrible” is unhelpful because: a) the ratio of money & benefits I receive from my job relative to the number of hours I work is awesome. I think people underestimate just how much time & work it takes being self-employed to achieve a comparable level of compensation. Definitely not impossible, but both are a lot of work- one takes more grit your teeth & bear it patience and the other takes more grind it out sweat equity. B) not all office jobs are monotonous or repetitive. I specialize in project work, so that helps keep me interested & engaged with new challenges in my job every couple of months. C) working solo or remote can be lonely. I really value having colleagues to talk about my work with. My “work” on YT became much more satisfying once I found other creators/“coworkers” to commiserate with. D) a lot office jobs are way more flexible than they used to be thanks to the rise of millienials in the workforce & remote work becoming much more normalized. It’s not impossible to find office jobs that allow you what you need to accommodate the other important things in your life. E) A big part of what people want with self-employment is control over their hours or overall work/life balance. Even just with part time YT, I find that it’s really hard to switch that part of my brain off... and it’s not even my real job, just a hobby I make a little money from.
All that to say- neither office jobs nor self employment are perfect. Both have pros & cons, and I think the narrative that the ultimate goal is to be your own boss or that your main source of income has to be your dream job can be really damaging, especially for people first getting started in careers or trying to figure out what they want to do
Great video Tiff! I've been working at a convenience store nearby for years, just above minimum wage an hour of $7.50 starting with absolutely no benefits, not health or paid leave or vacation and barely any raises or anything you'd think someone working for nearly a decade would provide... Except for free coffee which I don't drink and free hot food like pizza which is tbh great because free pizza is the best kind of pizza. The odd hours which messes up my sleep schedule, no actual breaks except a cigarette break even if I'm working 10+ hours.
Even if I get like your channel in subscription number and popularity I'm probably going to be doing a lot of things to help me with my income like sponsorships, affiliate marketing, merch, etc plus creating websites and other internet things lol I'm pretty sure of one thing however; If I ever get to the amount of subscriptions and stuff like you (in 37 years) I'ma be still working there except for like 3 or 2 days a week at most a few hours.
Can't just live off of the internet with my luck lmao
I really like your point at the end about having other interests that don’t involve RUclips.
Digging that Bernie plug @15:07
"As long as I can wear my turtlenecks, I'm cool with that 😌" Iconic
Seeing how fleeting more “creative career pathways” are like being an artist or a content creator or actor really made me want to pursue a stable, long term career. So now I work in a hospital and I’m dead inside :)
Your channel has grown so much in the last year and it’s been so amazing to watch you succeed! I’m so proud of you. I’ve been watching for at least 8 years and you’ve literally grown up in front of my eyes. Just love ya to pieces!
I used to own 2 animation channels in Spanish with over 6M subs and I was simultaneously working in LA as an editor...my channels didn’t even make minimum wage back then...unfortunately, the production company I used to work for went bankrupt and I suddenly started relying 100% on RUclips income. Since I had no safety net it became by far the most profitable year of my career and I was able to pay all my debt! But now thanks to COPPA, I’m back to square one starting this brand new channel and it’s really tough 😞 RUclips is a rollercoaster but no job is 100% stable either.
If you don‘t need the money; but want something to focus on and interact with others, volunteering can also be very fulfilling- and you‘re doing something good for others as well.
Sewing is my non-monetized hobby too. It's (mostly) relaxing and satisfying.
As a writer, my dream is to be able to make money full-time on my books. But I've got a long way to get there. The 9-5 helps me stay financially stable, but still have energy to pursue my writing and other projects. Lately I've been feeling very restless about it, though. Even though I'm progressing in my writing career, there's still a lot of waiting involved. It gets frustrating. This was an interesting watch, and I could apply some parts of it to my own situation.
I'm one of the people who likes having a 9-5 job! I need the stability and routine, when I have time off I can always feel myself spiraling because there's nothing to get me up and around. I also desperately need human interaction every day, and even though I know that about myself I think if I was self employed and spent most of my time in my home I just wouldn't make myself go out and meet people. Also speaking of losing relatability, I think a lot of people just feel irritated because quitting your job to "focus on youtube" is such an out of touch thing, a lot of people don't love their jobs/aren't working in passion fields/are also working multiple jobs, and they can't just quit because they don't like it.
What exactly is Fetch Rewards (the sponsor) getting out of the service they provide?
Are they just cataloging information about your grocery shopping habits and selling that to grocery companies for customer profiling?
That's what I expect. Credit card companies already collect this information (as do services like Mint) to sell. There's a lot of conversation about whether companies collecting our private information (browsing, shopping, health, etc) should be paying us for that data. These services like Fetch Rewards that are voluntary opt-in and do give something back in exchange...but they aren't very transparent with where that data goes. I think this is an interesting slice of the privacy and value-of-personal-data conversation.
Emma Foley conversely would people be willing to pay more for their privacy? All these platforms that make a killing on Selling our private/online data are free to use and people use them A LOT: from fetch to google/RUclips, instagram, Facebook etc. so if someone makes the argument that we should be paid for our info, the consumer should be willing to actually pay for the services and entertainment these services and apps provide. Some might be willing and some might not. It would add up really quickly though if we had to pay for all the many platforms we get to use for free in exchange for our data. Or not, maybe people would be on Facebook and Instagram less if they had to pay $10-$15 a month for each. Idk🤷🏾♀️ I have no answers to anything just thinking out loud.
@@emmafoley8987 yeah, just sounds a bit dodgy to me. Like, I know I'm being spied on generally, but just opting into it adds a whole new level.
@@nairabee245 this is definitely a thing to consider. If you aren't paying for a commodity then you are the commodity.
Did you watch Philosophy Tube's most recent video? It's on this topic, and one of the points he makes is that if you paid to not share your data then you'd still just end up with the poor and more vulnerable being the ones with their data sold for profit.
kittenswithbows no I haven’t watched the video. Not really familiar with the channel actually.
after reading a lot of the comments I just wanted to point out this community is awesome and there are a loads of people with loads of different points of view and opinions that creates really interesting debates and discussions. please keep doing this :)
I'm a millennial (although on the older side) and I absolutely love my 9 to 5 job. However, it's extremely demanding and high pressure, and I work a lot more than 40 hours a week. There's no way I could also be a youtuber at the same time.
With respect to you mentioning that maybe millennials are less suited to that type of job, I think it has to do with lower tolerance for the difficulties of dealing with other people, in person, day after day after day. There's a lot of conflict and people problems and I think that having grown up on the internet, we are in general, less able to deal with that and equally importantly less interested in doing so.
The thing that scares me about influencering as a job is that RUclips will not live forever. When it goes down, even with a degree, a lot of people will end up starting at the bottom of their new careers. This may be okay if they saved enough from RUclips, but I'm guessing many will not have done so. It's also really demoralizing to go from a position of respect and essentially power to the very bottom of the pile. There's no shame in the bottom of the pile, but it can be a shock...
Sure but RUclipsrs could get Jobs in marketing, different Jobs that require editing or filming skills, Jobs that require a social media following in some way, market research, content creation in General will always be a suitible job imo.
I dont even care about this topic but you make it so interesting. the way you speak is so thoughtful, i appreciate it
Hi Tiffany, so I’m a cusper between millennial and gen z and I have a 9-5 corporate job that I used to love. When I started the stability was a huge buy in for me as was the fact that the company was large enough that I had a lot of opportunities to move up. I did move up pretty fast and made a good enough amount of money that I could support myself and my husband, who has a chronic illness. But the things that have made it hard for me to continue to work there are things like: the culture devaluing younger people as the management teams are disproportionately older, the condescending nature of the way older management tries to relate to those younger people, and the company values/late stage capitalism not aligning with my values. The work is fun and challenging and I have fulfilling opportunities to lift up other people but being told by your boss that you are the “token millennial” on the team and “not like other [young people]” is super demoralizing.
To be quite honest as someone who doesn't do youtube but has a history of quitting my job. I think its important to find the combination of factors that make a job pleasurable. Ex. Flexible schedules, Short Commutes, great culture etc.
Hey Tiffany! Love your videos!
I have an idea for a video that I would love to hear you talking about, especially since I don’t think it’s something that’s talked about enough.. and that’s “dads ‘helping’ moms with the kids”.
It may be interesting!
Hello, on the 9-5 desirability topic speaking for my POV and experience... in school and uni I used to always want a 'glamours' office job but the reality is that it's just not all that glam... I do struggle to keep inspired in an office when you have to fight so many battles to put good content out there (I'm a social media exec btw) when having my own YT channel, IG page and Blog gives me so much more freedom. So I can 100% see the appeal and understand all of these YTrs choices. xx
Very relatable topics covered in this video. I"m currently a senior majoring in finance that is set to graduate in April. I'm currently working full-time, as a co-op within the finance department at an energy company downtown. I absolutely hate my 9-5 and I've been looking for a way out for months. Unfortunately, my family relies on my income. Like you stated, creatives can struggle to adapt to the structure. I'm a former professional pastry chef and while I like finance, I do not like the corporate environment at all. Being a couple months from graduating I've been going back and forth on what I want to do when I graduate. Seek an MBA, work in finance, work in sports, focus on my businesses (RUclips and home-based pastry chef). Some routes are more sure and stable, especially financially. Others will speak more to my passion. It's a really tough decision and it's hard to find something that makes money while doing something you enjoy. Sidenote, good for you finishing college. I really respect that you're able to do both college and RUclips. It's a struggle.
Dude I've been binge-watching you all weekend and damn I love your sweaters and your eye makeup, always lovely. Your hair rocks too btw.
I'd love to see more about how combine youtube with other forms of knowledge. E.g. if you do these essays, can you also write the same content up as articles for journalism and sell them to magazines? Or academic papers or letters? 1 day a week advisor for a social media team for a company. I'd love to see examples of people connecting their youtube content to other, more traditional domains. Also, of course, save some of your money now.
Video is awesome, but so is that darn sweater. Source?!
Aysha Melendrez I want to guess it's from Nuuly lol
Aysha Melendrez its the amar sweater by naif in army green
Just wanna add my 2 cents. I'm a 21 year old who had worked as a bank teller since i was 19, and have recently moved up and have been promoted to a Loan Clerk position. 8-4. And I find it very fulfilling. Its definitely difficult as someone who is very ADD and have a terrible time focusing and finding myself having to listen to podcasts to keep me motivated and focused. But the idea of building a career for myself is very exciting for me. I don't think I could survive as a youtuber because I wouldn't have that structure that a career job would have.
Im not a youtuber, but I've always tried and failed because of my motivation and naivety. But i always look up to this life of posting something people enjoy and making enough from that content to live comfortably. I know it is absolutely unreasonable because you have to be lucky and hard working and very motivated.
Currently i work 40 hours a week, third shift, and I'm trying to balance writing, my hobbies, sleep, and keeping my home clean. Its very difficult!! So youtubers who were working 9-5 and doing youtube, I applaud them!
Also another point, you spoke about going through college and doing youtube and not having to be young and single to do RUclips.
Theres a youtuber named lilsimsie who does daily sims videos and handles a college workload.
Another youtuber who is a mother to 3, does long, well researched videos on true crime cases and history. She also talks about current events or shorter true crime on fridays.
And i bet theres loads more just I cant think of it
hello,
as for the future video about thhis topic (not getting into the whole covid situation, since we don't even know how workplace will look like)- I think it would be nice to aknowldge that there aren't any 9-5 jobs- if you add the time you have to get to the job (or that's a different shift even). The thing is- boomers had local jobs, had local stores, they traveled less distance, the situation now is very different.
wow thanks for the book rec! i got it right away. i graduated in 2018 and i'm still unemployed lmfao it's hard!! it's difficult to both stop feeling like you're worthless & also trying to find the will to look for jobs... now i'm getting a masters and hopefully being back to that enviroment will give me the push to keep trying lol! as for youtubers, i think it's not a good move to quit your job, or at least they should save a good part of what they earn for the future because you never know. we see famous youtubers getting terrible views after a while all the time. love your videos, tiffany!!
Why does Tiffany with bangs looks like old Taylor Swift ❤️
I'm not a RUclipsr so I can't speak from personal experience but I can imagine that "getting out of the RUclips bubble" is crucial to the creative process of coming up with video ideas. If your only input is the RUclips world, your source of inspiration becomes very limited
Hot take it’s refreshing to see what companies my favorite youtubers partner with and I don’t mind certain channels’ sponsorships when they’re transparent about how they feel about the sponsorships they take :)
Very interesting and well researched video, thanks !
I do not agree with the idea thta 9-5 jobs don't get inside your free time, though. It is really hard to not work outside your workplace for many people, and your job can also occupy a lot of your mental space even when you're not at work. Work-life balance is not an issue specific to freelancers.
That was the smoothest segway into a sponsor I have ever seen!! Honestly, well done.
I was self employed and then went to a 9-5. Now, my 9-5 is a work from home position with a very flexible schedule and doing something I love, so not a traditional 9-5 in many ways. To me, this is the best of both worlds. I get benefits like paid time off, health insurance, and avoiding the stress of running a business, but I also have a lot of flexibility and creativitley fulfilling work.
Same for me!
Great video as usual Tiffany! Please do you tubers who drop out of college for RUclips careers. This might be oddly specific to “bro fitness” RUclips but I’ve seen quite a few 19-21 year old bros drop out after maybe getting 100k-300k subscribers and I roll my eyes while unsubscribing because it sends such a bad/unrealistic message to their younger fans.
I've been thinking about perhaps filming a few videos as I don't see myself reflected in anyone on here. I work for the govt--have done since I was 19--in clerical and technical admin roles, despite being intensely creative and drawn to the arts. I also have very poor health which, while it is a big part of my life, I have no desire to mope about of sing a pity party about. I have so many thoughts and opinions and no family and friends nearby, so I have no one to tell without feeling like I am yelling into the void. But like, what is the point? I've never made a youtube video or a blog or anything. I don't have a social media following, or many friends, no connections or high powered earning capacity. I'm just a random nobody at the bottom of the world.... why bother? I have to keep working to survive but I can't really do much else. Seeing the privilige and flaunting of wealth is obnoxious, out of touch, hedonistic and utterly self-centred. If even 1/100 of the world's people below the poverty line were as privileged as me, we would be in a much better position than we are: what on earth do I have to complain about? My opinion and thoughts are an unremarkable drop of water in the ocean: pointless, timewasting and will wash away in the blink of an eye in the depths of the oceans of time, meaningless as heckin' tears in rain or something like watching the original theatre cut of Blade Runner (awful, unwelcome).
2 full time jobs is basically like a student getting a job! Because you go to school 8-4 pm and then work after school, that’s what I did Atleast
Hey Tiffany, this is my 1st time stopping by and I think you covered this entire top so well and from A - Z! Thank you for being very objective :)
It think it would be interesting to see a vid on the 9-5 thing! As i've grown up my perspective has changed on this. I think 9-5 can be really nice for people who like structure in their and need that through outside incentive (if that's the right way to put it). Also, being self-employed is not a job. It sounds great, but I think in reality it only actually is great when you are really really passionate about something. Because it does come with a lot of extra baggage as well. You need to manage more, life/work balance can be hard, being the sole person responsible for the succes of whatever you're doing, etc.
Being self-employed is SO much more stressful than working a 9 to 5 for someone else. I have a small online bussiness and work is 24/7. Since it is an online bussiness it is like having a social media job + a regular bussiness.
Still I love my job, and it is the lifestyle I chose, it has a lot of advantages.
Something that I haven’t seen brought up yet is that to me, when a youtuber starts talking about making videos as a literal job that they are doing because of a financial incentive, it makes everything feel somewhat less authentic. You can count on the fact that people who make content for fun/as a hobby are being honest about their level of enjoyment on the platform. Not making content becomes the equivalent of not showing up for work that week, so it forces the creator to put something, anything up so they can pay the bills.
14:48 you don’t realise the benefits of a 9-5 until you don’t do it. I’m self employed but my hours mean I can’t go for drinks after work or go to shows with my friends because they all work 9-5 and I’m often still working at 7pm or on Saturday.
It’s also about how you word it on a resume. “Self-employed” gains more respect and it’s true
When she said youtube bubble she's basically saying don't get featured on Drama Alert.
🤣🤣
Unrelated but I really love your hand gestures and the way you speak. You could be talking about the most boring thing ever but I'd find it interesting
Hahahaha omg
@@tiffanyferg I hope this didnt sound like a backhanded compliment! Like I love your content but if you were to talk about like pipelines I'd still be into it bc of your communication skills :)
Though I'd like to be self employed (I want to make my art a career), I'm not going to complete rule out a 9-5 office job. I'd rather sit in an office all day than work retail, that's for sure. My main concern is supporting myself while managing my disability/disorders. I couldn't stay focused for 8+ hours straight, nor would I have the energy to work for that long (especially if it involves talking to people). I have so many ideas that I want to do things with at some point in my life and now that I'm going to be entering my 20s this year, I'm more aware that there's a ticking clock and it'll be harder to do what I love when I have to work a full time job. At the same time, the thought of not having that safety net (steady income, health insurance, etc.) makes me anxious. A goal I've had for a long time is to have financial security, to make sure that I'm not living from paycheck to paycheck. I understand that this is at odds with making my art a career and I honestly don't know what direction I'm going after I graduate college. I'm on my second semester of my sophomore year, but I know that my junior and senior year will go by quickly.
i never understood the hate for sponsored adds.
like. if the youtubers arent getting paid. well. that just means they are miserable, without money and need to get back to their job. which then means. less of the youtuber i love to watchg. also. when we're talking about the !good! youtubers like you and the YTers you like to mention, sponsors/adds have never been a problem to begin with. yall are fantastic and charismatic and you know how to present an add. i much prefer you guys getting sponsors, than you having to put 5 out of character mid roll ads in the video to cover the same amount of money.
I have 3 jobs, two "day" jobs and a side job that is content creation in a specific gaming platform. I struggle with burnout constantly, but none of my three jobs earn enough to quit one of them. I am so jealous of people who can quit their day job! Maybe someday...
From a non-RUclipsr perspective - I worked a 9-5 web design job for 3 years after college. I liked it, especially in the beginning when I was growing my skills constantly, and having a stable income/benefits was great. But as a pretty free-spirited person, I knew I didn't want to be there forever, and saved up my money for about 2 years so I could take a 6-month sabbatical to hike from Mexico to Canada. It was the best experience of my life, but it also totally ruined me in some ways when it comes to traditional work.
Now that I'm back, I've been working as a freelance designer to save up for my next hiking trip. It's really hard sometimes to stay motivated being self-employed. Ultimately I'm pursuing working as a guide at a wilderness therapy center to use my love of the outdoors to meet some of the world's needs, while getting to be more active. This journey for me would have been much, much harder if I was in debt/living paycheck to paycheck - my privilege has definitely given me the safety net to really go after my dreams without being afraid I won't have a place to sleep at night. But I'm thankful to have realized that I don't have to climb the corporate ladder.
As someone who struggles to like any of the full-time/9-to-5 jobs I've had, I would absolutely love a video on the topic of those that do. Obviously, I know that all jobs have their bad sides and sometimes you just need to suck it up because the rent is due, but I am still working to find a job that will provide me a touch of personal satisfaction, a proper career where I feel like I am contributing something postive. I know there's many folks who say "just let your job be a job and let your hobbies and family fulfill you", but if I am spending 9+ a day traveling to my job/working that job/maybe taking home extra work, I want a little bit of long-term enjoyment out of that time! Haha.
I would also be interested in a video on self-employment and hearing more about your family's experiences as being 'self-employers'?
Anyways, great video as always!
Could you make a video about how you keep track of your finances and how you budget?
I'm not full time, but I am in a corporate job 9-5 3 days a week. I do love that 9-5 life. Not all the time, but it helps my mental health in the long run, having somewhere to go, a job to and forced face-to-face socialization. There is youth out there that it is suited to :)
I worked as a baker for years in a bakery and in a restaurant and my hours were never normal. Once I got married I quit my job because we had to move (hello military life). It’s been almost five years and I have two kids so getting a 9-5 job doesn’t interest me solely because I don’t want to be gone from my kids all day. But my husband works a 9-5 and loves it. It’s not in the field he wants to be in forever, but he’s content right now and making a plan on how he can switch careers while still having stability. I am working on building my own bakery business 1. Because it’s my passion and I went to school for it (hello - maybe build a business USING your degree if that’s something you want) and 2 - if/when it becomes successful and we are able to hire employees and buy a brick and mortar it’ll be a source of “stable” income for us.
You re so funny. I was an Early Education major in college (did get my Bachelors in it)...and decided to work at a childcare center. I worked exactly ONE DAY and just didn't return. I didn't call, didn't look back. It was a horrible place and supposedly it was for "rich kids." My goodness. I just had to say something bc you said you had a similar experience. I went on to get my Masters Degree in Rehabilitation Counseling, worked in that for several years before the military really started moving us around. Now, I RUclips! LOL!! Good luck in your endeavors.
I love my 9-5 job. I can't figure out why office jobs get such bad press. I totally get that some people don't find that type of work appealing. But I also don't get why people generalize "traditional jobs" as "9-5 office jobs...the only people I know who work a 9-5 office job are my coworkers at my 9-5 office job...
I loved my 9-5 job and not being my own boss, because I really struggle with creating a daily routine for me, so having a stable job with hours I cannot decide on was liberating. I quit this job to study media sciences and English. Since then, I completely lost my daily routine, am more unreliable concerning appointments, and live way more unhealty.
Looking forward to my next 9-5 job.
I made RUclips videos full time for the past two years, but I recently got my first registered nursing job last week. My mental health was deteriorating from living in a RUclips bubble. Now that I have a job I'm passionate about, I view RUclips as my outlet and it feels more fun :)
Penny Tovar Congratulations! I’m graduating this year so I’m praying to get a good job as well lol. I love your channel and my Mom is an RN at a hospital too:)
Congrats!!
@@tiffanyferg thank you, love your videos! you're a breath of fresh air on RUclips :)
Penny Tovar PENNY OH NY GOODNESS👏👏✨
How much does registered nurse earn like is it enough to pay rent and still save some money?plz tell someone
I actually think that the quality of content tends to get worse when youtubers quit. It might be better edited etc. but the content itself gets kind of boring? I enjoy part time youtubers way more, they seem happier, they engage more with the general world and overall the videos reflect that. I think a lot of full time youtubers' lives seem sort of empty, and they attempt to fill it up with hauls, house reno vlogs, etc. etc. and lack inspiration to produce something truly creative.
I completely agree! I used to watch Michelle Reed a lot but ever since she quit her regular job, her videos haven’t been the same and also I can’t relate to her content any more.
Maybe that’s why I enjoy analysis videos / topical sorts so much, it doesn’t rely on the maker having an interesting life.
For vloggers, I agree. I like a slice of life every now and then if they are excited and enthused for the video, rather than scrounging for content
Yes
I definitely feel like it’s important for all youtubers to have back up plans cause internet “fame” is so fleeting. Not saying I’m famous or anything but I have a lot of passions outside of youtube that I still pursue along side getting my degree. I think taking advantage of your online platform while it’s thriving is great but don’t expect it to last forever and work on other things on the side.
absolutely!!
aaaa two of my favorite "rising" youtubers!
My two favorite RUclipsrs 😁😁
Wow two icons
Agreed .
I love that Joanna Ceddia has started uni and is studying physics. Get that degree!
Literally as soon as she started talking about pursuing RUclips with uni I immediately thought about Joana Ceddia lmao
@@kaitlin9288 Same!
a lot of youtubers go to college lmao
@@quinn7937 that is true, but considering how quickly she rose to huge yt fame in her senior year of high school she was a prime case for not going to uni and instead focusing on her channel. She must have made a lot of money by now.
She has a video specifically about why she thinks it's important to continue your education, and as a large portion of her target audience is young, I think it's just really nice to see.
kittenswithbows i agree, i think it’s very admirable that she continued her education and still uploads consistently. i honestly think it’s disappointing when people use the excuse of youtube for not going to college. i just wanted to point out that a lot of other youtubers do it as well. :)
I think having a "real" job is one of the reasons why Cristine's channel runs very consistantly good. I think many full time content creators can feel very anxious about certain videos not doing well and resort to content they're not as passionate about.
They start doing videos that they dont even like.
Me: quits my job even though I'm not a youtuber and have no life
London Jonez you’ll find something if you haven’t already thought of it✨ ☺️just watch
Same lol
Me today 😅
@Nathasha we're in the same boat, hi friend & good luck in your future endeavors!
I'm having trouble finding a job, maybe I should be a RUclipsr lol.
Yes yes yes! I will never get over how much research you put into every single video and I leave feeling like I just attended a class at Ferg University.
Nicole Rafiee lol Ferg University😂
Omg Ferg University hahaha 🤣 It has a nice ring to it!
Thanks for including me in this video! You took the words out of my mouth. I’ve been wanting to do a video similar to this. 👏🏼
Glad you enjoyed it! I’d love to see a follow up video from you about your experience so far ✨
The concept of relatability is so weird to me. Like when people say that Emma chamberlain is relatable. What’s so relatable about an 18 year old girl who makes millions and is also able to afford her own apartment in LA at such a young age? Like... how many 18 year olds have the privelege to start their own coffee line and have it be successful from the start? What’s so different about RUclipsrs that it makes you relate to them but you can’t relate to your coworkers who are also working the same amount of hours and are dealing with almost the same amount of stress? Not saying that you can’t relate to RUclipsrs but exactly how are they relatable?
it’s so annoying
I think they mean she’s not like a lot of other influencers. She doesn’t seem fake, doesn’t have plastic surgery, her life doesn’t revolve around how she looks, etc. She’s definitely funny and outgoing. She’s not relatable in her career but I would say she is in her personality and other aspects, compared to some of these other RUclipsrs/influencers.
Remy Killunmg her brand and life certainly revolves around how she looks, her instagram promotes her RUclips which is mostly her posing for professionally photographed posts there’s a side of being a RUclipsr based on your looks and especially as a young teenage woman, young girls like supporting pretty girls. Young woman who aren’t the most appealing or attractive are generally not the most famous on RUclips for young female viewers. I think what you mean is that she promotes this sense of not feeling forced to always be presentable within her videos. Like she’ll have messy hair and just start filming which makes viewers feel like they shouldn’t feel pressure to always look good at all times of the day. It’s like knowing that it’s perfectly normal to not wear makeup 24/7 and she’s showing u this.
I feel they confused relatability to "living vicariously through celebrities". They "relate" to her as in many young female viewers want to live the life that she has, doing something you love and earning a luxury living at that.
remy killunmg, kris pong, and lin z all have the right points. yes emma is an 18-yr-old millionaire with the privilege to have her own coffee brand and work with brands like lv but she doesn't make that the focus of her videos. i mean ofc they're IN her videos, but the main thing that attracts people to her is her personality and how she presents herself to the public, which is what's "relatable" here. emma films in paris for paris fashion week but most of the video is her in her hotel room reacting to everything the way a normal teenager would. she doesn't give you the feeling she's putting up a front or fake persona for youtube and other social media unlike some other influencers. she films her videos not looking her best like with messy hair, sweaty, just wearing a hoodie and shorts, etc, like what most of the people in her demographic and target audience look like when they're chilling by themselves. she speaks casually about things most influencers wouldn't bring up or skirt around but are totally natural, gross as they might seem, like periods and farts and acne. she's chill and has her own friends and family and problems yet she's worked hard to earn and keep her massive channel and get sponsors from big brands (yes, she DOES work hard for videos. anyone who says filming and editing videos even on emma's level is easy is heavily underestimating the work). she presents herself like any other teenager and makes that the focus of her videos, but one look around her shows she's not. it's kind of like she's sending a message that any random teen can become successful if they try and love what they're doing and are consistent. like lin z said, her audience of mostly teen girls probably like to "live" through emma, and the reason why it's so easy for them to do that in the first place is because emma seems so much like them, not some untouchable famous person way up there on a pedestal. she's "relatable" not because of her money or possessions, but because of HER. she films in her million-dollar house but doesn't make videos ABOUT her million-dollar house, get what i mean? that's why she's "relatable". maybe it's not for you or you just don't get it, but that's ok. just don't put hate on her because she does work hard and you get the sense she loves her fans and what she does. also most of her instagram pics are taken by her friends i think? idrk but even if they were professional she does stupid poses too and posts pictures of her with her middle finger up or in a dumb face lol. i'm so sorry for the essay have a good day
i love how simply gets brought up whenever the topic of youtube vs traditional career gets brought up. honestly, her having 3 successful jobs while maintaining a realistic outlook and taking care of herself is like...a flex.
But she is an outlier. Most people could not be healthy and maintain that level of work.
Death Omen that’s why it’s a flex! hahaha
@Death Omen it's because the government of Canada pays very well and has a lot of perks, and since she and her common law both work there they don't have to be as stressed about their income supporting them well. When you are financially stable you tend to have a better mental health because of reduced stress and better opportunities to get help, so she would be able to do all her passion projects and do her job without being too overworked or stressed.
i love her philosophy on working, she’s gone on the philipdefranco podcast and actually discussed her day job...it’s super interesting.
AND she ENJOYS working like she almost never takes a vacation
This is a very important topic. I know many RUclipsrs who have full time jobs with 100K-1M subscribers. And many run a full time business outside of RUclips the way I do. RUclips is also isolating.
Creativity should not become a chore. It’s often a very difficult lifestyle to keep up with for a lot of people.
Then there is the shelf life of being relevant. 3-5 years after your peak is what is normal.
Oh and most people don’t stay frugal and refuse to live humble and invest their money. Matt Pat did a presentation on building a RUclips Exit Strategy at an event.
The relatability RUclips cycle: is relatable -> gets famous-> losses relatability because them famous
Bingo. Sadly...
Chicken noodle soup why sadly lol? I think everyone should know that by now if you are willing to deal with the risk the reward is high
@@Reign14forever I just drift away from RUclipsr's who just have money on their minds, "bUy mY mErCH", "fIfTY pErcEnt oFf", etc, I'm not into that but that's just how I see it I guess
Relatability is only relevant if they haven't invested their money wisely. Jeffree Starr is a great example. He has invested in the makeup industry. He has invested in properties that he rents/sells. He's invested in a LOT and he's made his unrelatable lifestyle somehow relatable. His marketing team is fucking genius. And honestly even if his RUclips career falls. He's more then set with his other businesses.
I tend to watch youtubers who have real life jobs and I enjoy their content. However, once they quit their job, I tend to not watch their videos or enjoy them anymore
I feel so happy every time you mention a sponser becuse that means you're getting financial recognition for your work and thats more important than we like to admit
Manuela Porto Aw thank you!!
yeah I'm like yaaay commrerical!!