I feel like technic is good for trucks, cranes, planes and other models which have the opportunity to have lots of functions. Creator expert is probably the best for cars that need lots of detail
A technic-system hybrid set is something I've been dreaming about. Just imagine building a structurally sound and feature rich chassis, and then layering on system bricks, making the model clean and detailed. It's the best of both worlds! I think Lego should create another theme dedicated to such hybrid models.
Take it one step even further if let’s say you built yourself into a corner and you need to make it work. Let’s say it’s a truck that u need to build, but all the connection points for a system truck is used up, (idk how but you built yourself into a corner) there’s a technic connection point avaliable. The rear quarter panels are system and the truck is technic
I have an appreciation for both. I like being able to see the gears, transmission and engines on the technic sets but I can also appreciate the display beauty of the creator expert sets. I'm fine with them being separate.
Idk I guess I'm one of the weird people who really like the technic aesthetic a lot. There's just something I like about building things within certain limitations. And I love the concept of building recognizable vehicles out of mostly technic style pieces. It's the whole reason I like Lego to begin with. Building a millennium falcon using only Lego pieces is to me much more impressive and cool than just buying a plastic model kit with perfectly molded parts.
I think it would be cool if LEGO did more to advertise their Technic sets as things you can play with outdoors and in the garden. More sets that can take the rough and tumble of being outdoors.
I should of stated in my post I meant large technic vehicles without powered up functions. Meaning they could handle rough play and getting wet. And be cheaper.
Man you speak the truth! I am very new to Lego and although I love the working engine and gearbox on the Technic, the detail on the creator series is so much better. Unfortunately, every time I move my 911 Turbo or Fiat 500 or VW bus/Beatle a piece falls off or lodges out of position... I would love the best of both worlds!
Seeing the comments here, I want to clarify something. The Lego Group has around 300 hundred set designers, devided theme by theme; there is a group for Technic, one for CE, others for Friends, City, Ninjago, Star Wars. This is really the core of the problem: the Creator Expert team is the one that is primarily focusing on adults, weighing into a modelling perspective, but giving some interesting functions as a bonus. The technic team on the other hand is also focusing on an older group, most kids get into technic when they stop playing with the minifigures, around the age of 12-16. These fans however really grow up fast, and become adults, potentially seeking more eyecatching and expensive sets within their favored realm. Therefore they both have pretty good reosons to produce these sets independently. To top it off the two themes have very different legacies, Technic always being more sceletal, and engineery; while the CE sets being monumental, heavy, and sometimes boring to build (this have been getting better lately though) but always delivering superb visuals. It is two separate worlds within the Lego Group, with fundementally different disign methods and perspectives; therefore, it is quite hard to imagine that they woud have a reaon to sit down and do something in between. It is also possible that the end product would be disliked by both fan groups.
That's what I am talking about - they exist as two separate worlds, yet in the recent years they are slowly but surely progressing into each other's territory. Some Technic sets becoming display models, some CE models incorporating more and more functions. Why wouldn't they break the barriers and start a real cooperation? I don't want the two themes to disappear, but the tendencies show that a mixed approach could bring the best of both worlds.
Ecto 1 Is my favorite vehicle build of all time. It’s built with a technic frame but is covered in a beautiful body. The MACK truck is Very nice. I don’t like these technic cars that are built to look good but don’t.
Keep in mind Lego already made small system suspension pieces a long time ago. It's entirely possible to make again as long as the issue of durability is taken care of.
I'm a Technic devotee through and through. But over time as I build more cars in Technic with rather similar functions, I'm much more interested in more highly specialised Technic vehicles with more unusual functions. Creator Expert (and Creator, and way back, Model Team :) ) are my second love in LEGO. I adore them. So I love your idea @RacingBrick! A Creator Expert car with some purebred Technic function's at its heart would be wonderful. A chance for me to love some cars with Technic chops, where those very familiar functions would be a joy to see in something more detailed. And then I can go to non-car Technic for that does of getting deeply engaged with some cool engineering!
I am a collector primary of the Creator expert sets including modular buildings. I like the more cleaned and shaped form without too many holes in it and the design is more close to the real one when there isnt open holes in most of places. Owning all of creator vechicles except 2008 VW and the creator ferrari. Its a very pleasing look to have them all by each others side. Bought also the new version of the fiat 500 in baby blue and i think its a really good addition also to the creator recolour series.
I really prefer creator expert/Icons, more fun and realistic. Do you have informations about 2023 defender ? For 250$ i think we will can build a 3 doors or 5 doors, and why not suspension.
This is a very interesting topic. I have now for over a year tried to build a lego technic truck with system exterior. For me it doesn't get much better than that!
Back in the old days before the techic pices become what they are now, that was pretty much how it was. Lool at the 8810 car chasie, while it dont have much decoration, it really have mostly system pices. There also is a way to clamp system.pices with twchical making it rigid. While system pices are heavier, they are also cheaper, making it possible the have the same cost, but more details. System pices is also faster tp build (generaly) improving building preformance
I know Miike Psiaki doesn’t really like technic but it would be cool if he would collaborate with some technic folks for a build. I would totally empty the coiffures for that one.😁
I really love both Creator and Technic, but I have to still go with Technic. They have tons of playability depending on how many functions they have. But Technic is not exactly as sturdy as Lego Creator sets.
I think technic sets without empty space ar less extendable. Putting pullbacks inside the Ferrari is really fun for 4 year old. Time for me building, time for him playing. Same for a motorized version. With other lego sets a problem is that you don't have room to place motors inside them. In the same time if the Ferrari had motors in the package it would be more expensive and I would not buy it, I really don't need more hubs as I have some sets already. So every sets have its purpose. And 1 or 2 nice looking shells with big empty space inside per year is quite nice idea.
I agree with you 100 % about Lego 42125, 42096, and 42077. They should have added shock absorber and gear box to make them more functional. But I do not wish Lego to discontinue this line of vehicles because I can buy them cheaper when they go on sales easily. This gives me plenty of parts to build other MOCs.
Definitely Creator Expert wins over Technic. I would love to see the best of both worlds combined but we will not get it. Putting a Technic core inside a System shell is so much more complicated and complex. So it is cheaper and less frustrating for Lego as well as for the customers to do either Technic or System.
I'm a Creator Expert devotee. All CE cars just look so beautiful and complete whereas I always feel a Technic car always feels a little unfinished with it's lack of windows. Don't get me wrong I do like watching Technic builds but as a preference I like to build Creator Expert Additionally with Creator Expert you can have not only cars but Modular Buildings, fairground rides and iconic structures like Tower Bridge or Taj Mahal
Some of the 6stud speed champions cars have suspension (ex. mini cooper rally car), so I don't see a reason why creator cars couldn't have simple suspension, steering (removable hog gear?) and maybe even a motor block. More expensive? Absolutely. But I would buy a $300 set with that added over a $200 set without. You can even hide the HoG steering if you are clever - see the Jeep wrangler technic set
I’ve built both the Ferrari 488 and the 911 turbo and can say with 100% certainty the Porsche was soooo much more fun to build but the technic Ferrari was less enjoyable but looks soooooo good (especially when you do the suspension lowering bc by the book it looks like a rally car with that giant wheel gap)
I think the 007 Aston Martin and the Ghostbusters cars really are the best of both worlds. Looks super good as a display on a shelf but also has lots of moving/play features
I really like the mechanical look of tehnic, and i actually got the meclaren senna as a display pice. I do like the look of creator expert cars, the Mustang in perticular looks fenomenal to me, but i think that if you're going for realism you're better off with an actual scale model
I used to be purist and disliked the Rover's use of system parts. Now I see the beauty in the details system parts can bring and would love to see proper mashups of the themes.
I think that having a technic and normal Lego pieces for a set like with the Lego Ford mustang car it would be really cool to have technic engine transmission parts and also working suspension and steering but have the same smooth surface that creator expert has now I don’t think that the target audience would be small and all four sets like this I think play ability plus the functionality of this type of set would be very high if it was to be done by Lego team
I think they should mix the both theme, the main frame with gearbox or suspension or etc but with the look of the creator expert. I can’t imagine what it would look like with all of that mixed
They need to go back to the good old days, large technic sets with b-models and an ability to add powerfunctions to it, i Just had covid and decided to build the 8285 (2006) and 8258 (2009) again they both have b-models and one has pneumatics other has pf!!
When I look on Lego sets, so Creator Expert sets are display sets and Technic sets are functional sets, play sets. I like CaDa "Creator Expert" sets, mix between Technic(easy RC mod, suspension...) and Creator Expert sets on display sets with max. details. Example Classic Sports Car Design by M.Schlegel | C61045W, really nice and cheap set(under 100 eur) or Initial D Licensed Mazda RX-7 FC3S | C61022W and next Initial D sets(Japan cars).
CaDa has nice designs, but I tested the Mazda and that one is not really solid enough to be driven around, falls apart quickly if you try to use it as a LEGO RC set. More details here - ruclips.net/video/dSuHtqkG-70/видео.html
I would love to see something like the CaDa Classic Sports Car. It has a creator expert style body, but it's built on a technic frame which allows it to have steering, suspension, and even working cylinders in the engine. It's definitely possible to make with Lego.
CaDA models need improvement in stability. Their concept is nice and promising but in reality their RC sets have a tendency to loose parts and the body comes apart.
@@RacingBrick probably because the clutch quality is not as good as lego maybe? I meant to say that it is definitely possible to build something like you mentioned. Thanks for the reply, love you’re videos!
It's more about the design approach. The shell is a traditional creator-style build, would work as a display piece but as a playable and especially as an RC set it lacks the structural rigidity.
The new camper van is a great hybrid of both worlds.... I think LEGO should 1) Make CreatorExport even more Technic than now (include all the differential/gearboxes stuff into CreatorExports) for playability 2) Motorize/optional motorize for all Technic sets.
5:10 this is so true but LEGO doesn't realise this... Germany has a very big Technic Community and from what I can tell a lot of People here agree with a RUclipsr(don't want to advertise) that 50% of Technic Sets sucks now and a lot of Sets aren't that great. He made some reviews and comparisons to older LEGO Sets and showed that most Sets have less features and showed some alternative Brands that cost more but are remote Controlled and have a lot more Pieces. (I don't like alternatives thought) He adored Model Team, a theme that had the best of both worlds. He also thinks that the Supercars belong into a different category(similar to what Racers used to be). He hated the Porsche and Ferrari at 5:39 because they are branded as Technic but have Zero to no Functions. Suspension, steering and opening Doors used to be minor Features in Technic. His biggest critic is to all Control+ Sets because Apps don't really work and don't support creativity. He also thinks that Physical Controller are better because with Apps you need to look at your Phone to Control it because you have no haptic Feedback. I agree whit a lot of his points on Technic and just hope LEGO changes things for the better.
Lack of basic functions like HOG steering on the larger models is very odd, at least mid sized kits like the Senna have some functionality. Personally I prefer the creator expert kits but I've got a decent amount of technic for display as well, although they aren't usually the model cars but kits like the Volvo 6x6.
I think the ferrari is there to close the gap between the $60 technic sets and the +$300 ones because technic has a very different build then standard lego pieces. I also believe financially there good to be there and mix of both standard and technic for a beautiful car would be worth more than any price they could ask
I dislike the use of Technic for the body panels because of the amount of gaps it creates, and the lack of plastic windows, though I do appreciate it when it's hidden and provides the functionality aspect of a set.
i think there is a very simple reason for not having techic chassis + system body: it would mean that the technic system would have to return to bricks over liftarms in order to make it work, which are quite a bit more expensive to make for lego than cheap ass liftarms. 2 Years ago this answer wouldnt have crossed my mind but nowadays, seeing how incredibly profitoriented the lego corp has become im quite sure that thats the only reason
@@RacingBrick Oh i know you can, i did it myself, but lego doesnt usually for complicated structures...for ease of build i guess. if lego does it, their going to go the easy way.. just like that ferrari...
For Technic I prefer the construction vehicles with more variety of functions and for cars I prefer system. The technic cars are also very big and I have space limitations. I wish they did more like the Jeep Rubicon which is pretty small but still looks good.
the price difference is probably because of the licenses, cars based from licensed movies/tv shows are more expensives than regular/normal car. It's like Star Wars/Harry Potter/Disney sets, a 1000 pieces Star Wars set costs more than a 1000 pieces Lego City or Ideas set.
I think a set like the mustang is beautiful, looks amazing but still has a steering, if it could have an engine incorporated, it tpwould be the ultimate lego set
I am a big fan of both System and Technic. But both systems have a different purpose IMO. If you want to make something that is functional, it often benefits from being both light and strong, and in that case, the best material is LEGO Technic. If esthetics are the primary concern, then LEGO System should be the prime candidate, perhaps with a Technic core. In my opinion, LEGO Technic sets are a bit boring at the moment. We are basically getting the same stuff as 10 years ago. Sure, some cool new parts, but most of the sets are nothing to get really excited about (number X lackluster supercar...yawn). However, the story is totally different in the System space. Some of the new system stuff, like the new Speed Champions sets, are really pushing the envelope, very cool!
I agree with much of what you say I have all the creator expert cars etc, as I like the detail and build them for the system lego build experience. I have very many technic sets (including most of the flagship sets from 1996 onwards) , and build/motorize/play with them for the technic experience. This time period covers the old and new style technics, and I like both and appreciate the differences in build style. I do have the white technic Porsche- but don't understand the lack of HofG, and so have not bought the recent sets as they are lacking the technic functional points. As for the 3 large expert technic sets (Sian, Orange Porsche, and Bugatti), I do like these, they are a different enough and a good build and I accept they are not really that playable, rather a display item. It is the middle sized recent cars that don't work - not enough functions to be technic for the price.
The Lambo Sian and Ferrari 488 GTE are my first technic sets. LEGO has never made a technic car before the 488 that I wanted. The sports car models need to sit lower to the ground IMO so I can agree with the suspension parts update Lego is very behind on a modern Ford GT; missed opportunity to not make one after Ford won the 2016 Le Mans, beating the 488 GTE.
I prefer the Creator Expert because of the details. The Technic sets always feel like I'm building a working frame of a vehicle. They throw in some more outer shell parts nowadays but it they still look 'unfinished' to me.
I much prefer the Creator Expert series,they appear much closer in design to the real thing. What I would wish is that Lego start a line directed at vintage cars or a line aimed at iconic movie vehicles...pretty sure there's a big market for such
I like my Technic. It has a unique feel and from an engineering standpoint is much easier to work with. Not to mention that it tends to be much sturdier.
The 1:10 technic cars are, in my opinion, a waste of money. They offer the same boring functions and the structure feels fragile and empty. The ferrari doesn't look great, those printed headlights and ride height look bad. They are expensive, too. What I don't understand is that the Land Rover Defender has a working transmission, way better looks, more functions, more interesting parts, 800 pieces more... For the same price! To me Lego should release more sets like the Land Rover. For half of the price of a 1:8 supercar, it has nearly the same functions 1:10 cars --> NOT worth it :(
Generally I do not have any problems with simple Technic-models with almost zero functions, there were always models in this category. But those were almost always small models with not that much parts. And here Mr. "problematic argumentation" enters the room: A) If we invest far more parts, why not in functions, if that is it what technic is all about? B) But if we invest more parts in functions, there will be no parts left for a nicely designed hull. And if we do both the part-count would be insane. C) If there is no recognizeable hull, every car will look very much the same-> not good for collectors ;) Do Technic sets have to be ugly by definition because there are no parts left (some cars need less parts of course)? Or do they have to have a rediculous low PPP to fullfill all wishes? In my eyes the 1:10 sets suffer mostly from the "we guess every one will like them so we do a high pricing"-Lego concept. 42123 -> good looking, not empty, good PPP - has even less functions but feels like a better deal by far (for me). In terms of newer technic cars 42123, 42111, 42110 and 42115 make the most sense to me, they all feel "complete". So my personal conclusion is: Such cars in technic are fine, but there seems to be a deadly scale/part-hole, that should be avoided.
It's good that you mentioned 42123 - I think the play value / look / price ratio is excellent for that set. Regarding the 1:10 line and the amount of parts, I don't think it'd require significantly more pieces to incorporate playable functions. How many pieces does a HOG steering require? Not much, but the playability factor is suddenly skyrocketing! If they want to keep the clean look then make it removeable, happened with the Defender. Btw I know the Defender is not the pinnacle of complex body shaping so it does not require too many parts to look fairly accurate, but it is a good example of a healthy balance between look and functionality. Shouldn't be that difficult to achieve something similar with the 1:10 cars either :)
@@RacingBrick I thought it more like: If you scale the functions like the size -> the 42123 has a steering knob -> the 42115 should have significantly more function like real HOG, door mechanics, different gears,... to fill the space and still offer a highly detailed hull, for a compairable "feeling of completeness" like the 42123. The supercars in "linear progress" should offer even more features like ride height, adjustable seats and steering wheel, and so on... If you follow that path, I would guess the part count would be much higher. But yes, some sort of balance would be appriciated :)
I'm not the biggest fan of complex gearboxes doing visibly almost nothing, would prefer to see other functions like you mentioned - complex door mechanisms, adjustable suspension, pneumatic air jacks for the race cars, etc.
I hope Lego will bring back the old Lego Technic pneumatic backhoe loader and universal sets of the 80s and early 90s. I think the current batch of Lego Technic sets are still good, just not as good as the 8455, 8880 or 8480.
You have the red and green stripes on the red Ferrari wrong. They don't flow. The 2 small bits in front of the spoiler should be turned over. If this is how the instructions are shown it is a mistake.
I really like Creator cars, they are not too big and look great, but comparing them to Technic, we need to understand that there are two absolutely different building experiences.
I think Technic core and system shell could work. We've already seen it in some Star Wars Droid sets and statues. However, I don't think classic features like the fake piston engines wouldn't really fit in a "Creator Expert" style car.
I have to agree with you... These cars are not real technic any more. When it's assembled, you don't even see any more how the functions work. When I was a kid, we had the Model Team series which was what you suggested. And we had Technic where all functions were exposed so you could see, how it actually works.
I have alot of technic vehicles but I also have almost all of the newest Icons cars and I prefer the non technic cars beccause they are more detailed and honestly technic cars dont even have many functions compared to the icons cars
I feel as if LEGO is trying to introduce people to Technic pieces and building techniques, in non Technic sets for one of two reasons. Selling more Technic pieces to offset production costs, lowering the overall price, and raising availability of Techinc sets. Getting people to comfortably graduate to Technic as they move forward in life.
I have said this already, when it comes to vehicles like cars ( civilian cars), Creator Expert is the best to showcase them. In Creator Expert, vehicles are given more attention to detail, clean builds ( no rough or skeletal edges and gaps), playabilty , accessibility, easy to build and more affordable. The recent creator vehicles is the testament to this For example DB5, Mustang,the Volks , Ferrari F40( best Lego Ferrari hands down, the technic version is a hot pile of garbage). Technic sets do one thing really well and that is "Function overform". They are best use to showcase advance and complicated machineries that are either complex or multipurpose. It's really amazing how you can see how each gear functions , operates and interact with the overall build. Examples are Excavators, The Cranes , bulldozers ,Lifts, Tractors etc . Don't get me wrong technic cars are awesome but they don't offer much when you compare them to other non-tehnic cars like the crane . Also technic cars are sometimes over priced or expensive,hard to build , less accessible and offers little playability. Another problem with technic cars is that when Lego decide to budget them ,they even become worse and have a non sturdy and skeletal build (technic Ferrari).
Anyone else notice the white panel mod on the 42099 in background on the left compared to yesterdays video? Are there instructions or a part list for it?
I don't have instructions, but that is a Power Functions conversion with a police upgrade :) More details here - ruclips.net/video/26q4pPEk0NI/видео.html
Question can you post photos of the whole instructions and part list so I can buy bricks off a cheaper website because they are all too expensive for me
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I feel like technic is good for trucks, cranes, planes and other models which have the opportunity to have lots of functions. Creator expert is probably the best for cars that need lots of detail
Creator uses technic and regular pieces so ye your correct
I feel technic is optimized for construction type vehicles
A technic-system hybrid set is something I've been dreaming about. Just imagine building a structurally sound and feature rich chassis, and then layering on system bricks, making the model clean and detailed. It's the best of both worlds! I think Lego should create another theme dedicated to such hybrid models.
I have always imagined that haha, I would say having a creator expert with a moving engine bay would be awesome
Take it one step even further if let’s say you built yourself into a corner and you need to make it work. Let’s say it’s a truck that u need to build, but all the connection points for a system truck is used up, (idk how but you built yourself into a corner) there’s a technic connection point avaliable. The rear quarter panels are system and the truck is technic
I have an appreciation for both. I like being able to see the gears, transmission and engines on the technic sets but I can also appreciate the display beauty of the creator expert sets. I'm fine with them being separate.
agree. I want more models like 8448 where the function is the main feature not the fancy bodywork.
Technic and creator are essential...its like choosing between mom and dad.
True
Idk I guess I'm one of the weird people who really like the technic aesthetic a lot. There's just something I like about building things within certain limitations. And I love the concept of building recognizable vehicles out of mostly technic style pieces. It's the whole reason I like Lego to begin with. Building a millennium falcon using only Lego pieces is to me much more impressive and cool than just buying a plastic model kit with perfectly molded parts.
same, I dislike that lego has so many new pieces, I rather want them to be creatie with existing pieces and try difficult shapes that way
I think it would be cool if LEGO did more to advertise their Technic sets as things you can play with outdoors and in the garden. More sets that can take the rough and tumble of being outdoors.
Yeah,if they made videos showing all the functions in motion and the RC, a lot more kids would buy technic rather than Ninjago and friends
LEGO RC parts are not meant to be used outdoors so I don't think such advertising would happen. You can take them outside but at your own risk.
I should of stated in my post I meant large technic vehicles without powered up functions. Meaning they could handle rough play and getting wet. And be cheaper.
I think Lego should make a knight rider the same scale of the ecto 1 what do you think??
I would buy the Knight Rider in a heartbeat, also the A Team van and the DeLorean from Back to the Future
There going to make a delorean dmc 12 from back to the future next
I am an Indian so I'm not able to buy it on lego.com or flipkart either.
@Brick Based ok lol
It would be awesome if it had all the parts that pop up for TopSpeed mode
Man you speak the truth!
I am very new to Lego and although I love the working engine and gearbox on the Technic, the detail on the creator series is so much better. Unfortunately, every time I move my 911 Turbo or Fiat 500 or VW bus/Beatle a piece falls off or lodges out of position... I would love the best of both worlds!
Me as well and it could just be a new line for us to spend more money on!🙃
Seeing the comments here, I want to clarify something. The Lego Group has around 300 hundred set designers, devided theme by theme; there is a group for Technic, one for CE, others for Friends, City, Ninjago, Star Wars. This is really the core of the problem: the Creator Expert team is the one that is primarily focusing on adults, weighing into a modelling perspective, but giving some interesting functions as a bonus. The technic team on the other hand is also focusing on an older group, most kids get into technic when they stop playing with the minifigures, around the age of 12-16. These fans however really grow up fast, and become adults, potentially seeking more eyecatching and expensive sets within their favored realm. Therefore they both have pretty good reosons to produce these sets independently. To top it off the two themes have very different legacies, Technic always being more sceletal, and engineery; while the CE sets being monumental, heavy, and sometimes boring to build (this have been getting better lately though) but always delivering superb visuals. It is two separate worlds within the Lego Group, with fundementally different disign methods and perspectives; therefore, it is quite hard to imagine that they woud have a reaon to sit down and do something in between. It is also possible that the end product would be disliked by both fan groups.
That's what I am talking about - they exist as two separate worlds, yet in the recent years they are slowly but surely progressing into each other's territory. Some Technic sets becoming display models, some CE models incorporating more and more functions. Why wouldn't they break the barriers and start a real cooperation? I don't want the two themes to disappear, but the tendencies show that a mixed approach could bring the best of both worlds.
Ecto 1 Is my favorite vehicle build of all time. It’s built with a technic frame but is covered in a beautiful body. The MACK truck is Very nice. I don’t like these technic cars that are built to look good but don’t.
Keep in mind Lego already made small system suspension pieces a long time ago. It's entirely possible to make again as long as the issue of durability is taken care of.
I'm a Technic devotee through and through. But over time as I build more cars in Technic with rather similar functions, I'm much more interested in more highly specialised Technic vehicles with more unusual functions.
Creator Expert (and Creator, and way back, Model Team :) ) are my second love in LEGO. I adore them.
So I love your idea @RacingBrick! A Creator Expert car with some purebred Technic function's at its heart would be wonderful. A chance for me to love some cars with Technic chops, where those very familiar functions would be a joy to see in something more detailed. And then I can go to non-car Technic for that does of getting deeply engaged with some cool engineering!
Totally agree! I already rebuild the CE sets to have more functions!
I didn’t watch the video yet but Ferrari is not the best example of functions😀😀😀
Maybe that's the point? :D
@@RacingBrick may be🤷🏻♂️ aston martin is more functional than UCS technic cars😂
I am a collector primary of the Creator expert sets including modular buildings. I like the more cleaned and shaped form without too many holes in it and the design is more close to the real one when there isnt open holes in most of places. Owning all of creator vechicles except 2008 VW and the creator ferrari. Its a very pleasing look to have them all by each others side. Bought also the new version of the fiat 500 in baby blue and i think its a really good addition also to the creator recolour series.
What you're suggesting is practically the "Model Team" line, which was discontinued a long time ago.
Something similar, but model Team was still the studded Technic era and did not really use panels.
I really prefer creator expert/Icons, more fun and realistic.
Do you have informations about 2023 defender ?
For 250$ i think we will can build a 3 doors or 5 doors, and why not suspension.
This is a very interesting topic. I have now for over a year tried to build a lego technic truck with system exterior. For me it doesn't get much better than that!
Back in the old days before the techic pices become what they are now, that was pretty much how it was. Lool at the 8810 car chasie, while it dont have much decoration, it really have mostly system pices. There also is a way to clamp system.pices with twchical making it rigid.
While system pices are heavier, they are also cheaper, making it possible the have the same cost, but more details.
System pices is also faster tp build (generaly) improving building preformance
Why you have not review the new x-wing set
I know Miike Psiaki doesn’t really like technic but it would be cool if he would collaborate with some technic folks for a build. I would totally empty the coiffures for that one.😁
My favorite technic is actually the Liebherr excavator. Looks amazing and actually works and does stuff.
It looks fantastic, just wish I have spare money for it but maybe till Chrismas I will get one xD
I really love both Creator and Technic, but I have to still go with Technic. They have tons of playability depending on how many functions they have. But Technic is not exactly as sturdy as Lego Creator sets.
I think technic sets without empty space ar less extendable. Putting pullbacks inside the Ferrari is really fun for 4 year old. Time for me building, time for him playing. Same for a motorized version. With other lego sets a problem is that you don't have room to place motors inside them. In the same time if the Ferrari had motors in the package it would be more expensive and I would not buy it, I really don't need more hubs as I have some sets already.
So every sets have its purpose. And 1 or 2 nice looking shells with big empty space inside per year is quite nice idea.
The Aston Martin 007 Bond car is a good example of technic and system synergy! 👍
Nice comparison! BTW I prefer Creator sets.
I agree with you 100 % about Lego 42125, 42096, and 42077. They should have added shock absorber and gear box to make them more functional. But I do not wish Lego to discontinue this line of vehicles because I can buy them cheaper when they go on sales easily. This gives me plenty of parts to build other MOCs.
Definitely Creator Expert wins over Technic. I would love to see the best of both worlds combined but we will not get it. Putting a Technic core inside a System shell is so much more complicated and complex. So it is cheaper and less frustrating for Lego as well as for the customers to do either Technic or System.
I'm a Creator Expert devotee. All CE cars just look so beautiful and complete whereas I always feel a Technic car always feels a little unfinished with it's lack of windows. Don't get me wrong I do like watching Technic builds but as a preference I like to build Creator Expert
Additionally with Creator Expert you can have not only cars but Modular Buildings, fairground rides and iconic structures like Tower Bridge or Taj Mahal
I totally agree with you, please make a Lego Supercars which has a beautiful System design and Technic functions !
Some of the 6stud speed champions cars have suspension (ex. mini cooper rally car), so I don't see a reason why creator cars couldn't have simple suspension, steering (removable hog gear?) and maybe even a motor block.
More expensive? Absolutely. But I would buy a $300 set with that added over a $200 set without.
You can even hide the HoG steering if you are clever - see the Jeep wrangler technic set
I’ve built both the Ferrari 488 and the 911 turbo and can say with 100% certainty the Porsche was soooo much more fun to build but the technic Ferrari was less enjoyable but looks soooooo good (especially when you do the suspension lowering bc by the book it looks like a rally car with that giant wheel gap)
definitely need best of both worlds sets.
For me, Landrover is Gold, it has perfect mix of technic and system parts.
I think the 007 Aston Martin and the Ghostbusters cars really are the best of both worlds. Looks super good as a display on a shelf but also has lots of moving/play features
I think of the 1:10 technic cars as the rc car scale since they lend well to motorizations
I really like the mechanical look of tehnic, and i actually got the meclaren senna as a display pice.
I do like the look of creator expert cars, the Mustang in perticular looks fenomenal to me, but i think that if you're going for realism you're better off with an actual scale model
Like that 42099 with white and black bodywork!
I used to be purist and disliked the Rover's use of system parts. Now I see the beauty in the details system parts can bring and would love to see proper mashups of the themes.
I think that having a technic and normal Lego pieces for a set like with the Lego Ford mustang car it would be really cool to have technic engine transmission parts and also working suspension and steering but have the same smooth surface that creator expert has now I don’t think that the target audience would be small and all four sets like this I think play ability plus the functionality of this type of set would be very high if it was to be done by Lego team
I feel adding a new line for combined would be good but i hate system pieces though
Give us both! We'll pay the price!
yes more videos to spend my time
I liked the old retro technic system, which had the the system pieces
I'm more of a creator expert fan because they are the complete car meaning there's no wide gaps and holes everywhere like a technic set.
I think they should mix the both theme, the main frame with gearbox or suspension or etc but with the look of the creator expert. I can’t imagine what it would look like with all of that mixed
I am very interested in a mix between technic en creator expert, as that is what I am most interested in.
They need to go back to the good old days, large technic sets with b-models and an ability to add powerfunctions to it, i Just had covid and decided to build the 8285 (2006) and 8258 (2009) again they both have b-models and one has pneumatics other has pf!!
Getting the ecto 1 for Christmas
When I look on Lego sets, so Creator Expert sets are display sets and Technic sets are functional sets, play sets.
I like CaDa "Creator Expert" sets, mix between Technic(easy RC mod, suspension...) and Creator Expert sets on display sets with max. details.
Example Classic Sports Car Design by M.Schlegel | C61045W, really nice and cheap set(under 100 eur) or Initial D Licensed Mazda RX-7 FC3S | C61022W and next Initial D sets(Japan cars).
CaDa has nice designs, but I tested the Mazda and that one is not really solid enough to be driven around, falls apart quickly if you try to use it as a LEGO RC set. More details here - ruclips.net/video/dSuHtqkG-70/видео.html
That F40 is my dream set!
I would love to see something like the CaDa Classic Sports Car. It has a creator expert style body, but it's built on a technic frame which allows it to have steering, suspension, and even working cylinders in the engine. It's definitely possible to make with Lego.
CaDA models need improvement in stability. Their concept is nice and promising but in reality their RC sets have a tendency to loose parts and the body comes apart.
@@RacingBrick probably because the clutch quality is not as good as lego maybe? I meant to say that it is definitely possible to build something like you mentioned. Thanks for the reply, love you’re videos!
It's more about the design approach. The shell is a traditional creator-style build, would work as a display piece but as a playable and especially as an RC set it lacks the structural rigidity.
@@RacingBrick The body comes apart while driving RC mode? Really? I have never experienced or even heard something like that before.
You can check out my experience with the Mazda here - ruclips.net/video/dSuHtqkG-70/видео.html
The new camper van is a great hybrid of both worlds....
I think LEGO should
1) Make CreatorExport even more Technic than now (include all the differential/gearboxes stuff into CreatorExports) for playability
2) Motorize/optional motorize for all Technic sets.
My preference would be brick built exterior with additional functionality of technic inside
5:10 this is so true but LEGO doesn't realise this...
Germany has a very big Technic Community and from what I can tell a lot of People here
agree with a RUclipsr(don't want to advertise) that 50% of Technic Sets sucks now
and a lot of Sets aren't that great.
He made some reviews and comparisons to older LEGO Sets and showed that most Sets have less features and showed some alternative Brands
that cost more but are remote Controlled and have a lot more Pieces. (I don't like alternatives thought)
He adored Model Team, a theme that had the best of both worlds. He also thinks that the Supercars belong into a different category(similar to what Racers used to be).
He hated the Porsche and Ferrari at 5:39 because they are branded as Technic but have Zero to no Functions.
Suspension, steering and opening Doors used to be minor Features in Technic.
His biggest critic is to all Control+ Sets because Apps don't really work and don't support creativity.
He also thinks that Physical Controller are better because with Apps you need to look at your Phone to Control it because you have no haptic Feedback.
I agree whit a lot of his points on Technic and just hope LEGO changes things for the better.
Lack of basic functions like HOG steering on the larger models is very odd, at least mid sized kits like the Senna have some functionality.
Personally I prefer the creator expert kits but I've got a decent amount of technic for display as well, although they aren't usually the model cars but kits like the Volvo 6x6.
I think the ferrari is there to close the gap between the $60 technic sets and the +$300 ones because technic has a very different build then standard lego pieces. I also believe financially there good to be there and mix of both standard and technic for a beautiful car would be worth more than any price they could ask
I dislike the use of Technic for the body panels because of the amount of gaps it creates, and the lack of plastic windows, though I do appreciate it when it's hidden and provides the functionality aspect of a set.
i think there is a very simple reason for not having techic chassis + system body: it would mean that the technic system would have to return to bricks over liftarms in order to make it work, which are quite a bit more expensive to make for lego than cheap ass liftarms. 2 Years ago this answer wouldnt have crossed my mind but nowadays, seeing how incredibly profitoriented the lego corp has become im quite sure that thats the only reason
Not necessarily, you can create a studless body with lots of functions and a system shell, there are great MOC examples out there.
@@RacingBrick Oh i know you can, i did it myself, but lego doesnt usually for complicated structures...for ease of build i guess. if lego does it, their going to go the easy way.. just like that ferrari...
they are different design departments with different budget, people etc .
For Technic I prefer the construction vehicles with more variety of functions and for cars I prefer system. The technic cars are also very big and I have space limitations. I wish they did more like the Jeep Rubicon which is pretty small but still looks good.
the price difference is probably because of the licenses, cars based from licensed movies/tv shows are more expensives than regular/normal car. It's like Star Wars/Harry Potter/Disney sets, a 1000 pieces Star Wars set costs more than a 1000 pieces Lego City or Ideas set.
All the examples shown were licensed sets
I think a set like the mustang is beautiful, looks amazing but still has a steering, if it could have an engine incorporated, it tpwould be the ultimate lego set
I suppose you can crueate a New line called Lego Fiuson or something. Featuring the best of bouth tecnic and system.
I am a big fan of both System and Technic. But both systems have a different purpose IMO. If you want to make something that is functional, it often benefits from being both light and strong, and in that case, the best material is LEGO Technic. If esthetics are the primary concern, then LEGO System should be the prime candidate, perhaps with a Technic core.
In my opinion, LEGO Technic sets are a bit boring at the moment. We are basically getting the same stuff as 10 years ago. Sure, some cool new parts, but most of the sets are nothing to get really excited about (number X lackluster supercar...yawn). However, the story is totally different in the System space. Some of the new system stuff, like the new Speed Champions sets, are really pushing the envelope, very cool!
I agree, system is superior in looks, and technic should be superior in functions. Having one of both worlds would be totally amazing though
I agree with your statements, great content, thank you!
I agree with much of what you say
I have all the creator expert cars etc, as I like the detail and build them for the system lego build experience.
I have very many technic sets (including most of the flagship sets from 1996 onwards) , and build/motorize/play with them for the technic experience. This time period covers the old and new style technics, and I like both and appreciate the differences in build style.
I do have the white technic Porsche- but don't understand the lack of HofG, and so have not bought the recent sets as they are lacking the technic functional points.
As for the 3 large expert technic sets (Sian, Orange Porsche, and Bugatti), I do like these, they are a different enough and a good build and I accept they are not really that playable, rather a display item. It is the middle sized recent cars that don't work - not enough functions to be technic for the price.
If lego can make Creator Expert looking Technic cars, we have peaked as Humanity
Why you have not review the ucs hogwarts express
The Lambo Sian and Ferrari 488 GTE are my first technic sets. LEGO has never made a technic car before the 488 that I wanted. The sports car models need to sit lower to the ground IMO so I can agree with the suspension parts update
Lego is very behind on a modern Ford GT; missed opportunity to not make one after Ford won the 2016 Le Mans, beating the 488 GTE.
I agree, more hybrid building! :D
Makes sense
What a fascinating video idea
I prefer the Creator Expert because of the details.
The Technic sets always feel like I'm building a working frame of a vehicle. They throw in some more outer shell parts nowadays but it they still look 'unfinished' to me.
I much prefer the Creator Expert series,they appear much closer in design to the real thing. What I would wish is that Lego start a line directed at vintage cars or a line aimed at iconic movie vehicles...pretty sure there's a big market for such
Can we please get more lego RC videos on your channel soon?
They will also come. I'm trying to catch up with all the things that I had to delay in the past half year.
@@RacingBrick okay i'll be here when you have time to make them
I like my Technic. It has a unique feel and from an engineering standpoint is much easier to work with. Not to mention that it tends to be much sturdier.
I am a technic guy through and through, and they’re my preference, but I do love some of the creator sets.
Me too , I recently learnt to make sequential transmission (2 and 3 + R )
The 1:10 technic cars are, in my opinion, a waste of money. They offer the same boring functions and the structure feels fragile and empty. The ferrari doesn't look great, those printed headlights and ride height look bad. They are expensive, too.
What I don't understand is that the Land Rover Defender has a working transmission, way better looks, more functions, more interesting parts, 800 pieces more... For the same price!
To me Lego should release more sets like the Land Rover. For half of the price of a 1:8 supercar, it has nearly the same functions
1:10 cars --> NOT worth it :(
Well said.
From a raw functionality standpoint - technic. For a better design and unique functions - Creator Expert. Personally I prefer Creator Expert.
Generally I do not have any problems with simple Technic-models with almost zero functions, there were always models in this category. But those were almost always small models with not that much parts. And here Mr. "problematic argumentation" enters the room:
A) If we invest far more parts, why not in functions, if that is it what technic is all about?
B) But if we invest more parts in functions, there will be no parts left for a nicely designed hull. And if we do both the part-count would be insane.
C) If there is no recognizeable hull, every car will look very much the same-> not good for collectors ;)
Do Technic sets have to be ugly by definition because there are no parts left (some cars need less parts of course)? Or do they have to have a rediculous low PPP to fullfill all wishes?
In my eyes the 1:10 sets suffer mostly from the "we guess every one will like them so we do a high pricing"-Lego concept. 42123 -> good looking, not empty, good PPP - has even less functions but feels like a better deal by far (for me).
In terms of newer technic cars 42123, 42111, 42110 and 42115 make the most sense to me, they all feel "complete".
So my personal conclusion is: Such cars in technic are fine, but there seems to be a deadly scale/part-hole, that should be avoided.
It's good that you mentioned 42123 - I think the play value / look / price ratio is excellent for that set. Regarding the 1:10 line and the amount of parts, I don't think it'd require significantly more pieces to incorporate playable functions. How many pieces does a HOG steering require? Not much, but the playability factor is suddenly skyrocketing! If they want to keep the clean look then make it removeable, happened with the Defender.
Btw I know the Defender is not the pinnacle of complex body shaping so it does not require too many parts to look fairly accurate, but it is a good example of a healthy balance between look and functionality. Shouldn't be that difficult to achieve something similar with the 1:10 cars either :)
@@RacingBrick I thought it more like: If you scale the functions like the size -> the 42123 has a steering knob -> the 42115 should have significantly more function like real HOG, door mechanics, different gears,... to fill the space and still offer a highly detailed hull, for a compairable "feeling of completeness" like the 42123.
The supercars in "linear progress" should offer even more features like ride height, adjustable seats and steering wheel, and so on...
If you follow that path, I would guess the part count would be much higher.
But yes, some sort of balance would be appriciated :)
I'm not the biggest fan of complex gearboxes doing visibly almost nothing, would prefer to see other functions like you mentioned - complex door mechanisms, adjustable suspension, pneumatic air jacks for the race cars, etc.
I hope Lego will bring back the old Lego Technic pneumatic backhoe loader and universal sets of the 80s and early 90s. I think the current batch of Lego Technic sets are still good, just not as good as the 8455, 8880 or 8480.
Do you have videos on how to design a model?
You have the red and green stripes on the red Ferrari wrong. They don't flow. The 2 small bits in front of the spoiler should be turned over. If this is how the instructions are shown it is a mistake.
Nice catch :)
I really like Creator cars, they are not too big and look great, but comparing them to Technic, we need to understand that there are two absolutely different building experiences.
I think Technic core and system shell could work. We've already seen it in some Star Wars Droid sets and statues. However, I don't think classic features like the fake piston engines wouldn't really fit in a "Creator Expert" style car.
I agree with u
They should maybe make technic Mad Max versions
I have to agree with you... These cars are not real technic any more. When it's assembled, you don't even see any more how the functions work.
When I was a kid, we had the Model Team series which was what you suggested. And we had Technic where all functions were exposed so you could see, how it actually works.
I have alot of technic vehicles but I also have almost all of the newest Icons cars and I prefer the non technic cars beccause they are more detailed and honestly technic cars dont even have many functions compared to the icons cars
Cn you show us the with Power funktions modifid crawler in the background?
I have a video about it - ruclips.net/video/26q4pPEk0NI/видео.html
I feel as if LEGO is trying to introduce people to Technic pieces and building techniques, in non Technic sets for one of two reasons. Selling more Technic pieces to offset production costs, lowering the overall price, and raising availability of Techinc sets. Getting people to comfortably graduate to Technic as they move forward in life.
I have said this already, when it comes to vehicles like cars ( civilian cars), Creator Expert is the best to showcase them. In Creator Expert, vehicles are given more attention to detail, clean builds ( no rough or skeletal edges and gaps), playabilty , accessibility, easy to build and more affordable. The recent creator vehicles is the testament to this For example DB5, Mustang,the Volks , Ferrari F40( best Lego Ferrari hands down, the technic version is a hot pile of garbage).
Technic sets do one thing really well and that is "Function overform". They are best use to showcase advance and complicated machineries that are either complex or multipurpose. It's really amazing how you can see how each gear functions , operates and interact with the overall build. Examples are Excavators, The Cranes , bulldozers ,Lifts, Tractors etc . Don't get me wrong technic cars are awesome but they don't offer much when you compare them to other non-tehnic cars like the crane . Also technic cars are sometimes over priced or expensive,hard to build , less accessible and offers little playability. Another problem with technic cars is that when Lego decide to budget them ,they even become worse and have a non sturdy and skeletal build (technic Ferrari).
It's not a case if i see so many times big discounts on Ferrari and Porsche Technic set.... It means something
Bring back model team for a hybrid system!
What do you think easiest to build porsche 911 or the mustang ??? Thanks alot
More or less the same
Anyone else notice the white panel mod on the 42099 in background on the left compared to yesterdays video? Are there instructions or a part list for it?
I don't have instructions, but that is a Power Functions conversion with a police upgrade :) More details here - ruclips.net/video/26q4pPEk0NI/видео.html
Question can you post photos of the whole instructions and part list so I can buy bricks off a cheaper website because they are all too expensive for me
All instructions are available on lego.com