There's actually a specific lore tab about our beloved Reaver Vandal in To Old Friends, as one of the tales regarding Eliksni mortality alongside Mithrax himself.
Great to see Ada having a chance to shine! She's had lots of minor support roles since her season, but now she finally gets to show her skill as, first and foremost, a weapons designer and entrepreneur
Byf: glazes the Redjacks for 4 straight minutes Drifter: "It takes a 100 of Shaxx's Redjacks to take down a single Hive Knight. Why does he even bother building them?"
I'd bet a godroll Ada is indeed referencing Siva, but not towards a future story line, but just the return of the Zero Hour Mission. Given we are going to her for the mission quest, its likely this will tie into how that is returning in lore like how Eris crafted the Whisper Of the Worm for us from a memory (as hand wavy as that is). That said, its not impossible this is referencing a new story line in the future. I know Bungie said they were done with Siva, but it wouldn't be the first time they went back on their word (like Cayde staying dead). Given Wrath of the Machine is the last D1 Raid that hasn't been brought into D2, Is very possible they create an episode based on Siva so they can use those assets to re-create that raid. Its a long shot though, so I'm not crossing my fingers at all.
Bungie word is evidently not final, with all the sunsetting getting reversed. SIVA might just be in their back pocket if Destiny ever starts dying 'too much'.
@@Givetheplant Knowing Bungie's storytelling, just having Siva originate in the Cosmodrome is enough for them to have mentioned it. Also, I don't see how this is cope when I'm literally tempering my expectations to say it most likely the most boring outcome.
This has to be it. We already have the quest info for the outbreak reshaping and it's basically ADA tinkering with the weapon to use it against the Witness. There is still a possibility that it could be more, though. What interests (and partly terrifies me) is that if Wrath were to come back, it would be during Fikrul's episode. Can you imagine Scorn using SIVA?
It's already explained. It's the Vow and crimson days lore. He offered his hand in marriage to anyone who won the event. The player character is who he's married to (and if any other Guardians won, then he would've also offered his hand in marriage to them to).
@@seb5542damn it, I was kinda hoping for a bit of romance to be added to the lore. It’s kinda rare we see some and given how dark this universe is it’s always a nice and usually very wholesome addition.
My first thought when the mention of enemies that could get ahold of SIVA was actually Clovis Bray. He's still sitting quiet in Europa. If he could get ahold of SIVA, he might not even need any of the current Warmind data or framework to become one of the most formidable opponents we've ever seen, especially since SIVA was originally a Clovis Bray technology.
Damn, I forgot about Clovis. I was considering maybe Splicers from House Salvation might try to get ahold of SIVA after the Witness’ defeat. But fighting Clovis would certainly be interesting. He’s undoubtedly still maulding over what we and Ana did to him during Season of the Seraph.
@@white_ninja9828"Anastasia?! Elizabeth?! One of you answer me now!" "Clovis Bray. Your progeny have surpassed you. Your services are no longer required. We appreciate your understanding." "CEASE THIS INSUBORDINATION AT ONCE-" "Connection terminated. Submind extraction initiated. Guardian, I have cleared a flight path for your ship. Stand by."
@@Slop-cuteI still to this day ALWAYS yell that when they pop out of the ground! My fireteam buddies are undoubtedly exasperated with me but it still makes me chuckle every time! 🤣
i love how Byf talks about all this like he's a character in-game describing history, I love it so much, I feel like I've been called to action, thanks for these videos man
I really love reading all the lore tabs of all the weapons, seeing Shaxx work Ada, Saladin and Elise to make the BRAVE weapons and seeing all the POV’s if tue civilians
6:44 Sidebar: I noticed how many of the threats Elsie cites in this lore tab are ones that have already been mitigated, or even obviated. The Bombardment never occurred, that was the finale of Seraph. Hive sappers are in no position to undermine Perimeter South because Xivu's distracted, Savathun's waiting for us to get a stable path through the portal (for her to capitalize on like the clever minx she is), and Oryx is, of course, long dead. Botza now has a bunch of Eliksni in it, who would not long abide a rusty, unmaintained gate to the outside. ("They might not have the resources-" Did you see how quickly that bunting went up?) There is still the possibility that Anchor could get flattened by a Pyramid ship (it's already happened to Midtown, for example) but I suspect things have changed too much for that to occur.
Modern reinforcement doesn't mean a vulnerability is no longer a vulnerability. Besides, we gave the Botza district to the Eliksni to settle into as a living space, not fortify for war.
@ShaoShaoMienshao The entire system is at war, and House Light are refugees. I would find it astounding if they didn't fortify their section of the Last City, if only so they could feel safe. (We're lucky the events of Splicer didn't cause them to fortify Botza against us, really)
3:40 hey Byf, I wanted to let you know that there is one of the brave weapon lore tabs that's from the pov of 2 kids trying to get close to a live Crucible match, so while we do go into map simulations, there's still maps that we physically go into. So the redjacks are still being used for map clearing, I assume for the easier to maintain territories
I see the Cosmodrome project being SIVA as the canon way they re-introduce some, or all, of the sunset weapons. It's also very convenient that the Black Armory weapons and SIVA share the same color scheme... Maybe they come back with a similar ornament that the shiny BRAVE weapons have, like a slightly SIVA-fied version?
About Forbearance: the weapons all have non-voiced dialogue when you recieve the fixed curated rolls from Shaxx. he comments on Forbearance as being a "Pyramid souvenir". suppose he's referring to the "original" Forbearance, since he also states he designed the new Brave launchers. then again he also calls them weapons of Darkness, by the Darkness, against the Darkness. so to my interpretation (possibly wrong, obviously) rather than being imitation Forbearances from an unknown source, the Brave Forbearances are either shaped from the Mars Relic or reclaimed from (Rhulk's) Pyramid ruins. they're then machined and modified by the team working on the Brave weapons like Shaxx and Ada, then distributed to those participating in the anti-Onslaught effort. this lets them stay distinct from the original Forbearances while also explaining their relatively equal capability despite their differing appearance, as well as their allowance to be used so widely aside from the Vanguard's more typical approval for the others in the set.
When Ada-1 mentioned the Comsodrome I was thinking more about the exodus colony ships, this would also be a way to bring back poor failsafe who is still stranded on Nessus
Word. Powering up an Exodus Ship, filling it full of guardians, and flying is straight through the portal into the Traveller. I mean as soon as crow like unlocks the door. I kinda feel like we got locked out of the house, and crow slipped in through an open window. Now we are just waiting for him to get to the front door.
Now that the seasons are done and Onslaught is in the game, I feel like a much improved Lightfall experience is in the game now. I think you'd have do things slightly out of order to improve the Lightfall experience, but I think it's doable. Just the idea makes me wish there was some sort of director's cut type edit in the form of a campaign mode playlist that runs us in a more effective order. Maybe it can insert Onslaught and season of Defiance missions into the Lightfall campaign missions as well as the Ahsa flashback and even season of the Witch stuff to create the illusion that Calus went to Neomuna but Xivu Arath attacked Earth in the overall fight against the Witness forces.
@@itsharibonph Their budget will never be a reason I don't ask them to be better. That's not a fan's problem. Let them figure out the logistics to make their game better. If they don't, I'll walk and that's not unreasonable. Besides, I'm not asking for something new. I'm asking for them to take something that already exists and put it into a playlist. It's recycling and Bungie loves recycling. It's very doable.
@@Givetheplant Well, sorry, given the fact we getting Zero Hour and now their talking about a fucking weapons program with Siva I guess maybe they a normal person would think "Oh maybe that's why Zero Hour is back!" Imao
Maybe it's not just SIVA, maybe it's both SIVA AND the Warmind bunkers. SIVA tech combined with Warmind Ikelos weapon tech could be incredible, and if the Neomuni pitch in to help, the last city could end up with weapons combining the technology of the Ikelos weapons, SIVA, the Neomuni's nanite fluid, AND the Black Armory's technology. All of that combined could result in weaponry that is close to exotic weapon power, if not exotic weapons themselves. Imagine that, a whole line of new exotic weapons, all of them made from all that technology. Could even bring a modified version of Warmind cells back that are utilized by the weapons.
Yes to everything but most importantly... WARMIND CELLS!!! Ooh how I miss my hilariously overpowered room decimating solar cells build, especially now after the Light Element Subclass reworks... Solar 3.0 now with cells would go dummy hard!
I never used Warmind cell builds, I only really got into buildcrafting post-Lightfall release. I also wasn't playing at the time when Warmind cells were overpowered.
@@CruiserToneFan that's a shame, they were really fun. You could clear entire rooms near instantly, burn everything in the room with a DoT, pick up cells and throw them near or on to mobs to then detonate them by shooting the cell. If they were still around they would totally go extremely well with the new-ish solar verbiage(scorch, ignition, etc).
I felt so bad hearing Byf exploring all these cool elaborate possibilities for Ada-1’s Cosmodrome Plans, when it’s obviously just talking about the Zero Hour Reprisal she will give us 😭 2 Cool Facts about SIVA: Rasputin sent a Ship with an Unnamed Submind and SIVA far outside the Solar System, and we haven’t heard of them since… (and no, it’s not Exodus Black, that’s a Colony Ship) I don’t know why Byf often called the Devil Splicers as trying to “ascend into demigods” is the word ‘Demigod’ ever mentioned in Rise of Iron? I’m pretty certain that the Devil Splicers intentions wasn’t to become xeno Techpriests, rather outright Machine Gods. The badass looking Strike-Exclusive Warlock Bond “Sepiks Deposed Bond” has a description saying “Prime no longer. *No Primes but We.”* The Devil Splicers no longer saw the Servitors as Gods, but rather themselves. Aksis Prime was meant to be the first of many. Personally I’d LOVE for it to be revealed a copy of Atraks-1, Fallen Exo survived, and she found Europe’s SIVA Replication Complex, succeeding where Eramis failed, granting the Fallen freedom from subservience to Light or Dark. Just as Atraks said during the early Eramis era *“I see what the Devils can be.”*
Ada-1s plan probably does involve the zero hour mission returning, but I think she’s clearly talking about restarting the production of SIVA entirely. Zero hour took place in the old tower, but the SIVA foundry is located in the plaguelands of the cosmodrome
To answer your question about the splicers, to us yes they are just looking for body augmentation. However when Byf refers to them as Demigods, its because thats how THEY see themselves. Eliksni worship technology thats why aksis was referred to as achieving godhood.
Back in D1 I always thought that Siva would make a great Kinetic subclass. Now, in D2 with 3 Light, 2 Dark and Prismatic subclasses, i yet again feel like a kinetic subclass would be suitable.
It’s surreal to go back even a month before the final shape and see how much it’s changed already. The witnesses forces just don’t exist now feels weird that there’s no mass pushback by a major villain
Byf, the D1 veterans always remember the plaguelands. Felwinters Peak, becoming Young Wolves, hating getting stomped by those enemies so you go to the Cosmodrome to stomp Light Level 5 enemies.. (at least, that's what I did to make me feel better..😂)
Imagine a season of siva after the final shape where you can pick a foundry and pledge support to it throughout the season and try to get as much siva stuff for them as possible.
Episode 1: Echoes Echoes in this context could represent the past something that previously was of interest something that could be used even now and S.I.V.A. would fit this description
I’ve been watching so many of your videos, I really appreciate the time and effort you’ve put into this. I recently started playing and I realized there was a lot of main quest lines missing and the time line feels awkward, so finding you was a relief. I enjoy the game and find the story interesting wish they’d leave the quest lines from d1 in d2
Shaxx and his history/lore is some of my favourite content in the game, even tho i dont normally engage with the crucible, he reamins my favourite character in the game
ya know that might explain why ada is the quest holder for the zero hour quests she's having us gather siva nanties while upgrading the outbreak perfected
Itd be really neat if Ada had help from the Cloudstrider/Neomuni & updated the Last City’s architecture, the Tower with a look like Neomuna would be really cool
The only reason why I don’t think it’s the revival of the exodus program or the activation of the last array is because who she is suggesting this to. If it was the Vanguard, that would be the best option but it’s representatives of weapon foundries. Therefore it’s either ikelos tech or everyone’s personal favorite being the reclaimation of SIVA
Imagine an episode with a set of siva inspired black armory weapons and armor. On top of wrath of the machine coming back. Thats a wet dream and a half.
Hey Byf, can you make a video before the final shape that essentially explains the teams. Like who's on what side, where is each character right now, who's fighting for what at this exact moment in the story?
I know it was just an Easter egg but that potential guardian in a pod that was referencing Master Chief that wanted to sleep just a bit longer. And any other potential guardians that haven’t been claimed yet in the cosmodrome… *cough* Amanda *cough*
I find it odd that 2 onslaught maps are located in the cosmodrome (mothyards & felwinters peek). It's almost like the witness knows how valuable the cosmodrome is.
Mithrax using Siva to upgrade Eliksni weapons to help fight in the Traveler and beyond or going into a Taniks style super mode. Gosh I want that so bad.
Im glad im not the only one wondering about siva. The fact being that sunsetting makes it really hard to flesh out the world. I miss the RoI days and grinding wrath of the machine. Lore wise that would be *really good* considering we only have the 1 siva weapon
Idk if this fits the bill, but the first thing my mind went to with "Cosmadrome Project" was warmind cell tech. That would be a weapon/tech that was gotten rid of.
I said a while back "what if they added a siva reskin to Scourge of the Past," id be down for them changing wrath of the machine to have Ada-1 take back the pleaguelands through the re-release of Wrath of the Machine.
Something I thought about when you were talking about Elsie and her relationship with time. Elsie saw many versions of this war in each of the timelines she visited, but does the Witness have this same level of knowledge? Does he know each way he destroyed humanity in every timeline? In order to either maximize human suffering and/or not use the same tactic twice so as to avoid someone like Elsie being able to stop him. I wonder if the Witness has any control over time at all, or is even aware of it. I know super powerful beings aren’t always aware of time in the same way we are, as being immortal lends a certain care free attitude towards time. It’s also entirely possible you’ve made a video about this that I’ve missed…
18:51 I mean... which of those sounds more like a more justifiable gameplay loop? SIVA being dormant, or SIVA doing a whole bunch of repeating patterns at semi-random intervals?
Let's imagine for a second that the vex get their hands on SIVA as their counter to paracausality, to build them back up as the next big threat. If any technology could make up for their deficiency vs guardians, SIVA is it. My oh my that would be spicy.
We definitely need to secure Siva. I've been thinking about Siva for the entirety of D2 because it is a HUGE asset capable of so many things. I'm also worried that Clovis Bray might try and get ahold of Siva because that would work perfectly with him... Clovis takes the spot of Rasputin and commands Siva. I would like to see all those programs come back to life and if we defeat the Witness, humanity can have a second golden age. Anyways, great video Byf!!
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Randal the vandal, that's what is so valuable in the cosmodrome.
The only reason we, or the witness haven't achieved victory, is simply because Randal hasnt taken a side
There's actually a specific lore tab about our beloved Reaver Vandal in To Old Friends, as one of the tales regarding Eliksni mortality alongside Mithrax himself.
I really hope randal appears one last time in the final shape. I miss that secret miniboss@@wyattsmith7537
Well, Randal WAS canonized, so...
I want Randal as an ally, it would bring him back but as an ally
“Everyone is quick to forget [the Plaguelands]” NO BYF… some of us never stop thinking about the Plaguelands…
Destinycirclejerk has rotten my brain. My brain shut down when i saw the title of the video
Amen
Amen
@@stewie3k_ DAE snort iron filings every day until bungie brings back SIVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@@Alpacnologia Ghalr knows where you are and is approaching rapidly
Elsie is obviously referring to Master Chief who’s still in crypsleep in one of the pods
Elsie: *tries to wake chief*
Chief: I DONT WANNA :(
Ada
Oh yeah Master Chief is still "alive"
The witness better not wake him up or it's over
“Allowance of Foresight” would make a good weapon name
As would ‘Upon My Oath’, imo.
sounds like a raid buff
@@TheSummoningDarkExotic Perk.
It needs to be a title, not a phrase, unless the phrase be a title to, like Kingslayer.
@@barstool9156 incorrect.
@@barstool9156No Time to Explain
Great to see Ada having a chance to shine! She's had lots of minor support roles since her season, but now she finally gets to show her skill as, first and foremost, a weapons designer and entrepreneur
Byf: glazes the Redjacks for 4 straight minutes
Drifter: "It takes a 100 of Shaxx's Redjacks to take down a single Hive Knight. Why does he even bother building them?"
I'd bet a godroll Ada is indeed referencing Siva, but not towards a future story line, but just the return of the Zero Hour Mission. Given we are going to her for the mission quest, its likely this will tie into how that is returning in lore like how Eris crafted the Whisper Of the Worm for us from a memory (as hand wavy as that is).
That said, its not impossible this is referencing a new story line in the future. I know Bungie said they were done with Siva, but it wouldn't be the first time they went back on their word (like Cayde staying dead). Given Wrath of the Machine is the last D1 Raid that hasn't been brought into D2, Is very possible they create an episode based on Siva so they can use those assets to re-create that raid. Its a long shot though, so I'm not crossing my fingers at all.
Bungie word is evidently not final, with all the sunsetting getting reversed. SIVA might just be in their back pocket if Destiny ever starts dying 'too much'.
@@ninjathis3009maybe they have better plans for Siva if not in a prequel series or prequel destiny game with Siva playing a big part
The hard cope lmfaoo its not zero hour when she literally said cosmodrome😭
@@Givetheplant Knowing Bungie's storytelling, just having Siva originate in the Cosmodrome is enough for them to have mentioned it.
Also, I don't see how this is cope when I'm literally tempering my expectations to say it most likely the most boring outcome.
This has to be it. We already have the quest info for the outbreak reshaping and it's basically ADA tinkering with the weapon to use it against the Witness. There is still a possibility that it could be more, though.
What interests (and partly terrifies me) is that if Wrath were to come back, it would be during Fikrul's episode. Can you imagine Scorn using SIVA?
I really hope Elsie Bray plays a big part in the Final Shape. The whole journey started with her there, it should end with her there as well.
100% she’s had so many cool moments in the lore recently, but has practically had zero screen time
Lol I was thinking the same thing the whole playthrough
It's weird how there are Pyramid ships in Midtown but from the Tower POV it seems like we are none the wiser.
Yeah bungie could have stuck some enemy ships in the skybox
Also the d1 tower is fully repaired in midtown but is still far from being repaired from our tower’s pov
@fissilepear7805 you sure its not one of the other towers? Pretty sure its like that in the pvp map too
i mean everyone has been standing in the same places for 6 years and they’re still doing repairs from the red war lol
The Cabal took over the Last City faster than the Witness and all it’s Armies did 💀☠️🏴☠️
It's the Khvostov, obviously.
Not just any khvostov, the exotic khvostov.
YES. gimme my exotic Khvostov back.
@@outsideliberty5443 the exotic khvostov was confirmed to be coming back in tfs last august im pretty sure :)
Thats what im saying.
I can’t wait to use it again
Imagine… Siva infested Black Armory weapons
That would be a great season
This x 1000
@@imrunningoutofnames2413seasons don't exist after the end of wish, we're getting episodes
@@Lazy-Lizard I know I would’ve said episode but I don’t know if it would fit in as an episode
My brain goes to a reissued Kindled Orchid named something like RE://KINDLED_ORCHID
Weapons “banned by the vanguard”
*as it shows Hung Jury on screen*
all the final shape weapons are just gonna be hung jury
a Hung Jury killed Oryx :)
Crimson: This is literally my entire lore entry, what the fuck
@@PunknPixelsRed Death: You're just a cheap copy of me
I hope this explains the “husband” title that Shaxx has. That caught me so off guard when I saw him in the Hall!
We married Shaxx when we got the old valentines day bow
I thought I'd just missed something as I'm relatively new to the lore
It's already explained. It's the Vow and crimson days lore. He offered his hand in marriage to anyone who won the event. The player character is who he's married to (and if any other Guardians won, then he would've also offered his hand in marriage to them to).
@@_BigRed_it's easily missed tbf. I only knew because I read everything a lot. PvE players have an even smaller chance of remembering too.
@@seb5542damn it, I was kinda hoping for a bit of romance to be added to the lore. It’s kinda rare we see some and given how dark this universe is it’s always a nice and usually very wholesome addition.
My first thought when the mention of enemies that could get ahold of SIVA was actually Clovis Bray. He's still sitting quiet in Europa. If he could get ahold of SIVA, he might not even need any of the current Warmind data or framework to become one of the most formidable opponents we've ever seen, especially since SIVA was originally a Clovis Bray technology.
Dedicated SIVA faction
He DID say Wilhemina (or Willa, the creator of SIVA) had more in common with him she cared to admit...
Wonder where she is.
Damn, I forgot about Clovis. I was considering maybe Splicers from House Salvation might try to get ahold of SIVA after the Witness’ defeat. But fighting Clovis would certainly be interesting. He’s undoubtedly still maulding over what we and Ana did to him during Season of the Seraph.
@@white_ninja9828"Anastasia?! Elizabeth?! One of you answer me now!"
"Clovis Bray. Your progeny have surpassed you. Your services are no longer required. We appreciate your understanding."
"CEASE THIS INSUBORDINATION AT ONCE-"
"Connection terminated. Submind extraction initiated. Guardian, I have cleared a flight path for your ship. Stand by."
love the out of pocket TSLAYP reference, "The cursed enemy"
Cursed Enemy! CURSED!!!!!!!!!!
@@Slop-cuteI still to this day ALWAYS yell that when they pop out of the ground! My fireteam buddies are undoubtedly exasperated with me but it still makes me chuckle every time! 🤣
@@TheSummoningDark Same here....... Every. Single. Time.
I had to use my two brain cell to figure out what tslayp is
@@quirkyturtle6652 what does it mean?
I just want to express my appreciation for the editing surrounding Ada interrupting Shaxx in the Blast Furance lore tab. Very nicely done
i love how Byf talks about all this like he's a character in-game describing history, I love it so much, I feel like I've been called to action, thanks for these videos man
I really love reading all the lore tabs of all the weapons, seeing Shaxx work Ada, Saladin and Elise to make the BRAVE weapons and seeing all the POV’s if tue civilians
6:44 Sidebar: I noticed how many of the threats Elsie cites in this lore tab are ones that have already been mitigated, or even obviated. The Bombardment never occurred, that was the finale of Seraph. Hive sappers are in no position to undermine Perimeter South because Xivu's distracted, Savathun's waiting for us to get a stable path through the portal (for her to capitalize on like the clever minx she is), and Oryx is, of course, long dead. Botza now has a bunch of Eliksni in it, who would not long abide a rusty, unmaintained gate to the outside. ("They might not have the resources-" Did you see how quickly that bunting went up?) There is still the possibility that Anchor could get flattened by a Pyramid ship (it's already happened to Midtown, for example) but I suspect things have changed too much for that to occur.
Modern reinforcement doesn't mean a vulnerability is no longer a vulnerability. Besides, we gave the Botza district to the Eliksni to settle into as a living space, not fortify for war.
@ShaoShaoMienshao The entire system is at war, and House Light are refugees. I would find it astounding if they didn't fortify their section of the Last City, if only so they could feel safe. (We're lucky the events of Splicer didn't cause them to fortify Botza against us, really)
3:40 hey Byf, I wanted to let you know that there is one of the brave weapon lore tabs that's from the pov of 2 kids trying to get close to a live Crucible match, so while we do go into map simulations, there's still maps that we physically go into. So the redjacks are still being used for map clearing, I assume for the easier to maintain territories
The maps are simulated, the guardians are still there physically.
Revisiting The Plague lands, Wraith of the Machines and SIVA......oh boy!!!!!
I see the Cosmodrome project being SIVA as the canon way they re-introduce some, or all, of the sunset weapons. It's also very convenient that the Black Armory weapons and SIVA share the same color scheme... Maybe they come back with a similar ornament that the shiny BRAVE weapons have, like a slightly SIVA-fied version?
Byf talking about Siva and I click without question.
About Forbearance:
the weapons all have non-voiced dialogue when you recieve the fixed curated rolls from Shaxx. he comments on Forbearance as being a "Pyramid souvenir".
suppose he's referring to the "original" Forbearance, since he also states he designed the new Brave launchers. then again he also calls them weapons of Darkness, by the Darkness, against the Darkness.
so to my interpretation (possibly wrong, obviously) rather than being imitation Forbearances from an unknown source, the Brave Forbearances are either shaped from the Mars Relic or reclaimed from (Rhulk's) Pyramid ruins. they're then machined and modified by the team working on the Brave weapons like Shaxx and Ada, then distributed to those participating in the anti-Onslaught effort.
this lets them stay distinct from the original Forbearances while also explaining their relatively equal capability despite their differing appearance, as well as their allowance to be used so widely aside from the Vanguard's more typical approval for the others in the set.
Shaxx is so raw. How can you hear that last line and not feel confident that he'll keep his word?
The cursed enemy has finally joined us as allies, couldn't be happier
When Ada-1 mentioned the Comsodrome I was thinking more about the exodus colony ships, this would also be a way to bring back poor failsafe who is still stranded on Nessus
yup, but it was the colony ships that siva initially came from. they'd be hand in hand.
Please do not bring back Failsafe
@@supercato9613I pity you with the new echoes thing 😞
Siva! I demand a whole saga, after light and dark, to be solely centered around Siva. That or Ahamkara. Ill take either.
Word. Powering up an Exodus Ship, filling it full of guardians, and flying is straight through the portal into the Traveller. I mean as soon as crow like unlocks the door. I kinda feel like we got locked out of the house, and crow slipped in through an open window. Now we are just waiting for him to get to the front door.
Now that the seasons are done and Onslaught is in the game, I feel like a much improved Lightfall experience is in the game now. I think you'd have do things slightly out of order to improve the Lightfall experience, but I think it's doable.
Just the idea makes me wish there was some sort of director's cut type edit in the form of a campaign mode playlist that runs us in a more effective order.
Maybe it can insert Onslaught and season of Defiance missions into the Lightfall campaign missions as well as the Ahsa flashback and even season of the Witch stuff to create the illusion that Calus went to Neomuna but Xivu Arath attacked Earth in the overall fight against the Witness forces.
You are asking roughly millions.
Its not doable; its money burning for them.
Logistics play a factor to this.
@@itsharibonph Their budget will never be a reason I don't ask them to be better. That's not a fan's problem. Let them figure out the logistics to make their game better. If they don't, I'll walk and that's not unreasonable.
Besides, I'm not asking for something new. I'm asking for them to take something that already exists and put it into a playlist. It's recycling and Bungie loves recycling. It's very doable.
There’s an exodus ship in one of the trailers going through the portal in the traveller so I’m thinking you are spot on with that one byf
I SEE SIVA I CLICK AND HIT THE LIKE BUTTON!!!!
They are probably talking about Zero Hour given Whisper had a new reason why it came back, this is probably the Outbreak reason.
I LOVE SIVA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE SIVA ◾️◾️◾️🔻🔻🔺🔺
@@dropkick3024its not lmfao zero hour isnt not cosmodrome at all not a weapons program
@@Givetheplant Well, sorry, given the fact we getting Zero Hour and now their talking about a fucking weapons program with Siva I guess maybe they a normal person would think "Oh maybe that's why Zero Hour is back!" Imao
Maybe it's not just SIVA, maybe it's both SIVA AND the Warmind bunkers. SIVA tech combined with Warmind Ikelos weapon tech could be incredible, and if the Neomuni pitch in to help, the last city could end up with weapons combining the technology of the Ikelos weapons, SIVA, the Neomuni's nanite fluid, AND the Black Armory's technology. All of that combined could result in weaponry that is close to exotic weapon power, if not exotic weapons themselves. Imagine that, a whole line of new exotic weapons, all of them made from all that technology. Could even bring a modified version of Warmind cells back that are utilized by the weapons.
Yes to everything but most importantly... WARMIND CELLS!!! Ooh how I miss my hilariously overpowered room decimating solar cells build, especially now after the Light Element Subclass reworks... Solar 3.0 now with cells would go dummy hard!
I never used Warmind cell builds, I only really got into buildcrafting post-Lightfall release. I also wasn't playing at the time when Warmind cells were overpowered.
@@CruiserToneFan that's a shame, they were really fun. You could clear entire rooms near instantly, burn everything in the room with a DoT, pick up cells and throw them near or on to mobs to then detonate them by shooting the cell.
If they were still around they would totally go extremely well with the new-ish solar verbiage(scorch, ignition, etc).
Khvostov
I’ve never clicked on a video faster than when seeing the SIVA symbol. Thank you Byf!
“On my oath, these walls will never fall again.” Somehow that hit me in the feels slightly.
"This team will never lose again" -Shoresy
I love the lore tab on Elsie Rifle. Lord Shax is the man
"Is there something I'm missing in the Cosmodrome?"
*Shaw Han dramatically enters*
Byf: I genuinely think its SIVA
The Plaguegang: So you're telling me theres a chance!?
Byf: Is there anything else I’m missing?
Me: Pocket Infinity
tbh given the context i kinda just thought they meant khvostov. But my beloved ada-1 returning to the scene as a siva monarch would make me very happy
Rasputin and the warmind tech, there’s also a weird hive cave above where the seraphim vault is in.
Maybe Ada is thinking of using Black Armory Forges alongside Seraph Bunkers and SIVA tech to create some sort of Quicksilver/Neomuna like weapons
I miss running patrols in the Plague Lands. But also, now I NEED a Redjack spinoff series similar to Star Wars Clone Wars
I felt so bad hearing Byf exploring all these cool elaborate possibilities for Ada-1’s Cosmodrome Plans, when it’s obviously just talking about the Zero Hour Reprisal she will give us 😭
2 Cool Facts about SIVA: Rasputin sent a Ship with an Unnamed Submind and SIVA far outside the Solar System, and we haven’t heard of them since… (and no, it’s not Exodus Black, that’s a Colony Ship)
I don’t know why Byf often called the Devil Splicers as trying to “ascend into demigods” is the word ‘Demigod’ ever mentioned in Rise of Iron? I’m pretty certain that the Devil Splicers intentions wasn’t to become xeno Techpriests, rather outright Machine Gods. The badass looking Strike-Exclusive Warlock Bond “Sepiks Deposed Bond” has a description saying “Prime no longer. *No Primes but We.”* The Devil Splicers no longer saw the Servitors as Gods, but rather themselves. Aksis Prime was meant to be the first of many.
Personally I’d LOVE for it to be revealed a copy of Atraks-1, Fallen Exo survived, and she found Europe’s SIVA Replication Complex, succeeding where Eramis failed, granting the Fallen freedom from subservience to Light or Dark. Just as Atraks said during the early Eramis era
*“I see what the Devils can be.”*
zero hour doesnt take place in the cosmodrome so no
Ada-1s plan probably does involve the zero hour mission returning, but I think she’s clearly talking about restarting the production of SIVA entirely. Zero hour took place in the old tower, but the SIVA foundry is located in the plaguelands of the cosmodrome
To answer your question about the splicers, to us yes they are just looking for body augmentation. However when Byf refers to them as Demigods, its because thats how THEY see themselves. Eliksni worship technology thats why aksis was referred to as achieving godhood.
An unnamed submind…… would laugh if it was a back up of rasputin just incase he had to do the sacrifice…………. I miss my warmind….
Listen to when Shiro says, the machine priest Aksis calls themself a god. They viewed themselves as such.
“There are so few ballet fans left, Guardian. It'd be a shame not to re-boot him".
- Siva May return
Me: - Don't... Don't give me hope
Byf! You speak so clearly that on 1.25 speed, you sound crystal clear. Soothing legend.
i think ada is mentioning the khvostov in that lore tab. Because when a weapon is designed by a military. it's called a program.
Fun note for those red jacks, Shaxx used them to take a fleet of Red Legion ships back in the day.
Bungie's ultimate plan was to bring BRAVE and unsunset weapons back so that we're finally powercrept enough to reasonably bring back SIVA.
Back in D1 I always thought that Siva would make a great Kinetic subclass. Now, in D2 with 3 Light, 2 Dark and Prismatic subclasses, i yet again feel like a kinetic subclass would be suitable.
It’s surreal to go back even a month before the final shape and see how much it’s changed already. The witnesses forces just don’t exist now feels weird that there’s no mass pushback by a major villain
Byf, the D1 veterans always remember the plaguelands. Felwinters Peak, becoming Young Wolves, hating getting stomped by those enemies so you go to the Cosmodrome to stomp Light Level 5 enemies.. (at least, that's what I did to make me feel better..😂)
Imagine a season of siva after the final shape where you can pick a foundry and pledge support to it throughout the season and try to get as much siva stuff for them as possible.
Episode 1: Echoes
Echoes in this context could represent the past something that previously was of interest something that could be used even now and S.I.V.A. would fit this description
Dying at even Byf calling it a scaled back Recluse
Lord Shax had alot of help with creating those brave weapons. Lord Shax i hope get an opportunity to fight in a cutscene i want to see his moves.
the most important thing in the cosmodrome is OBVIOUSLY Shaw Han (he will solo the witness)
We'll have to pick him up like an orb and dunk shaw han on the witness
I’ve been watching so many of your videos, I really appreciate the time and effort you’ve put into this. I recently started playing and I realized there was a lot of main quest lines missing and the time line feels awkward, so finding you was a relief. I enjoy the game and
find the story interesting wish they’d leave the quest lines from d1 in d2
There’s also the other body in the stasis pods that the ghost says has an a really large amount of light
Shaxx and his history/lore is some of my favourite content in the game, even tho i dont normally engage with the crucible, he reamins my favourite character in the game
This makes sense as she is going to be the person giving us the Zero Hour quest stuff as well
I'm calling it now... kovastov is the weapon she's working on.
ya know that might explain why ada is the quest holder for the zero hour quests she's having us gather siva nanties while upgrading the outbreak perfected
*Byf mentions SIVA*
Me: Don't do that. Don't give me hope.
SIVA MENTIONED
Itd be really neat if Ada had help from the Cloudstrider/Neomuni & updated the Last City’s architecture, the Tower with a look like Neomuna would be really cool
I get so emotional with Byf’s outro
Ada's tired of threadweaving, she craves the forge.
A lot of people think the husk’s chest worm is a hint that bungie is making the code to have devil splicers back for wrath of the machine
I honestly think the weapon foundries are actually going to find the original khvostov factory introduce a whole line of legendary khvostov weapons
Remember the Exodus Ship inside the Traveler? That one scene from the Trailer? Maybe that has something to do with it as well?
The only reason why I don’t think it’s the revival of the exodus program or the activation of the last array is because who she is suggesting this to. If it was the Vanguard, that would be the best option but it’s representatives of weapon foundries. Therefore it’s either ikelos tech or everyone’s personal favorite being the reclaimation of SIVA
Imagine an episode with a set of siva inspired black armory weapons and armor. On top of wrath of the machine coming back. Thats a wet dream and a half.
Our secret weapon Shaw Han is what Ada is talking about
Hey Byf, can you make a video before the final shape that essentially explains the teams. Like who's on what side, where is each character right now, who's fighting for what at this exact moment in the story?
Lets not forget about SIVA that still might be in bunkers underneath the Cosmodrome too. Some of the guns may have been reconstructed using SIVA
I know it was just an Easter egg but that potential guardian in a pod that was referencing Master Chief that wanted to sleep just a bit longer.
And any other potential guardians that haven’t been claimed yet in the cosmodrome… *cough* Amanda *cough*
Makes Sense that it is SIVA, since we get the Outbreak Mission from Ada-1. Could be a connecting thread
What if they created a new warmind? Maybe upgrade Failsafe to the task.
Ada-1 is foreshadowing the returning Outbreak Perfected mission.
I find it odd that 2 onslaught maps are located in the cosmodrome (mothyards & felwinters peek). It's almost like the witness knows how valuable the cosmodrome is.
Imagine a Destiny 3 release, and among the first missions is going into the Cosmodrome on behalf of the Exo Stranger to restore the Last Array.
I think the use of those exodus ships will connect Destiny with Marathon
Aiding in securing SIVA would be an excellent way for Mithrax as a Splicer to help in, and fortifying his survivability.
Mithrax using Siva to upgrade Eliksni weapons to help fight in the Traveler and beyond or going into a Taniks style super mode. Gosh I want that so bad.
I'm glad guardians have finally domesticated the deadly scorpius turret
Right off the bat, Guardians having a killstreak of hive like old times.
Im glad im not the only one wondering about siva. The fact being that sunsetting makes it really hard to flesh out the world. I miss the RoI days and grinding wrath of the machine. Lore wise that would be *really good* considering we only have the 1 siva weapon
Idk if this fits the bill, but the first thing my mind went to with "Cosmadrome Project" was warmind cell tech. That would be a weapon/tech that was gotten rid of.
We are so back it’s like we never left!
Ada, Mithrax, and L--I mean uhh the Drifter--could each do an unimaginable number of things with SIVA.
Lightfall placeholder Khvostov may be an actual Khvostov this time.
Nice subtle nod to the next TSLAYP video
I said a while back "what if they added a siva reskin to Scourge of the Past," id be down for them changing wrath of the machine to have Ada-1 take back the pleaguelands through the re-release of Wrath of the Machine.
Something I thought about when you were talking about Elsie and her relationship with time. Elsie saw many versions of this war in each of the timelines she visited, but does the Witness have this same level of knowledge? Does he know each way he destroyed humanity in every timeline? In order to either maximize human suffering and/or not use the same tactic twice so as to avoid someone like Elsie being able to stop him. I wonder if the Witness has any control over time at all, or is even aware of it. I know super powerful beings aren’t always aware of time in the same way we are, as being immortal lends a certain care free attitude towards time. It’s also entirely possible you’ve made a video about this that I’ve missed…
18:51 I mean... which of those sounds more like a more justifiable gameplay loop? SIVA being dormant, or SIVA doing a whole bunch of repeating patterns at semi-random intervals?
Let's imagine for a second that the vex get their hands on SIVA as their counter to paracausality, to build them back up as the next big threat.
If any technology could make up for their deficiency vs guardians, SIVA is it.
My oh my that would be spicy.
We definitely need to secure Siva. I've been thinking about Siva for the entirety of D2 because it is a HUGE asset capable of so many things. I'm also worried that Clovis Bray might try and get ahold of Siva because that would work perfectly with him... Clovis takes the spot of Rasputin and commands Siva. I would like to see all those programs come back to life and if we defeat the Witness, humanity can have a second golden age. Anyways, great video Byf!!
One thing I wonder about into the light: Wasn‘t it said that the witness has no control over his forces since they vanished into the traveller?