You may NOT GET A JOB even after PMP Certification
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When it comes to getting the PMP Certification guys, why do you think most of us aspire for it…?
The answers are pretty common, right? It is either to get a great project manager job or, to make a career switch from administration to PM or get our dream promotion once we are PMP certified…right? And these are really nice aspirations to go for…
But do you know what’s really unfortunate guys? It often happens that in spite of getting the PMP certification, the candidate is still not able to crack an interview…make the career switch they were looking for…or even struggle a lot to get their dream promotion…
In this video, we discuss 3 important tips you need to keep in mind while searching for jobs after your PMP Certification so that you don't end up in such situations.
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Mr. Ray thanks for bringing forth an important topic which goes undiscussed and suppressed. Your words of advice in this video are golden. Appreciate your good work
You are very welcome. Thank you for watching & commenting.
Sincerely appreciate your effort, Mr. Ray. You have chosen a very important question and have explained the same in great details.
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for your comment Vinay :)
I obtained my PMP certificate 25 years ago. I have taught project management for two universities, taught the refresher course for the PMI, and managed nearly a billion dollars of work. It is ridiculous to think the PMBOK and subsequent PMP exam prepare anybody to be a project manager. The PMBOK is a book about project management written by people that have too much time on their hands. The PMBOK talks about project management in a very general manner that is impractical. It talks "about" project management. It does not explain how it is actually executed. It is equivalent to a book about playing soccer. Reading a book about playing soccer makes nobody a soccer player.
A person learns to be a project manager by working around other project managers and doing the work. In my opinion, the PMI and PMP exam are scams. Further, employers that put too much credence on the PMI exams are ignorant and should be avoided.
Hi Dan. Thank you for sharing your views and insights. Much appreciated!
@dan
Strong statements, but with your credentials I'm bound to listen. I'm a project manager for a small construction company. No degree. I'm taking classes online to prepare me for the PMP. Should I stop dead in my tracks or continue this path?
Thank you Christian for engaging in the discussion. PMP is one of many ways to enhance your skillset as a PM. It may work wonders for one PM and may not provide value to another PM. A lot depends on the 'fit of the certification' with the person who is having it. However, all viewpoints should be respected. It's your decision to pursue your PMP dream...as a coach I only want that you make an informed choice.
@@Dillardcp i would get the PMP. There are a lot of fools that put a lot of weight on it. But, I would discount the credibility of anybody that puts a lot of weight on it. The smartest thing you can do is find a good mentor.
What about PRINCE2?
Let them try their best, wait for their time and they will get the job for sure. PMP certification provides an assurance to companies that the candidate has some experience or exposure to project management due to the eligibility criteria such as 35 hours and Registration criteria, which are correct too. Its related to resource cost as well, demanding the resource weightage.
Hi, thank you for your comment. Yes, getting a job is a number game. The more you apply the better your chances become.
Very practical video...thank u Ray daa as always !
You're welcome Bhai 😊
I am actually pursuing the PMP for general knowledge. Never really seen it as a ticket to get a job. Could help, but since I have over 20 plus years experience in the defense industry it is not my single focus. I would have to admit that I am seeing the defense industry and contractors adopt and require more PMP, Agile, Scrum knowledge in some job postings.
Great to know that you have the right attitude towards attaining a certification :)
👍thank you for sharing such an imperative knowledge
Thank you Monica for watching and commenting!
The answer is simple. There are too many PMPs available in the market when compared to that of the number of project manager jobs particularly in good companies. The concept of high supply vs low demand
Yes, that's ture. So, it's extremely crucial to create that point-of-differentiation as a good project manager. All good exam takers can pass PMP Exam, but all good exam takers are not good project managers.
Totally agee, PMP does not guarantee landing jobs, instead is a way to boost the career that you already have.
Thank you for your comment Luis. Yes, the 'certification' should not define 'you' as a PM. Being a good PM is more than just holding some certifictions under your belt.
I was going to say exactly this.
Project Managers are successful when they understand the management methodology or the company they work for and fit into that. Your success will be determined by how well you fit into the company culture, methods and metrics. Too many PM's think they are certified, thus know best and expect others to fit their interpretation determined by the PMI. The problem is that Accountants and HR staff love to simplify hiring to a certification, it is really never true, that PMP fits the needs of the position. So, PMP is a fine definition of excellence, but it is only a statement that you are trained on an ideal business process for projects. Be aware that the C levels and below a few levels, they are rarely willing to operate within the metrics and methodology of the PMI guidelines.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. However, please note that PMP is MORE of a 'shortlisting' criteria rather than a 'hiring' criteria. Final decision on 'hiring' depends on a lot of other factors apart from PMP.
I got a new job just by saying i attended PMP training even before writing the exam and its a Senior Management Job
Hi. That's good but there surely have been other contributing factors which worked on your favour (your profile, work-ex etc.)
Great video Ray
Not just PMP certification erhh, All serious Employers don’t care about any certifications. They are interested in skilled workers.
Most employers recruit people with experience and then help fund their trainings for a certification.
Well said. Yes, very true!
How does one get experience without opportunity to learn . Organisational culture must change .
I think most of companies are adopting agile methodologies and they are looking more for people with Scrum master or product owner certificates, also SAFe certificate stands out more than PMP nowadays.
I agree
You are only referring to IT industries. There are other industries such as civil, mech, healthcare, banking etc. which still value PMP
You are only referring to IT industries. There are other industries such as civil, mech, healthcare, banking etc. which still value PMP
I agree; my boss had his team get certified as SAFe 5 Agilist and I just went and got the Scrum Master Cert on my own behind it several months ago. He tried to force PMP certs required for positions, but found out the company who bought us don’t require their pms to have pmps…..
In IT yes, in product development I don’t think so. Many tried to force fit agile (scum) methodologies and it has been a disaster. Hybrids are usually the best outcome.
My problem is this, even though I have some Project Management experience companies are still ignoring me. I'm preparing for my PMP Certification, however, I' feat that companies still see me as a developer.
Hi Kevin, as discussed, relevant work-ex do matter when you try to crack a PM interview. PMP Certification may help you get an interview shortlist, but during the inteview you need to build that conviction that you have demonstrated PM skills even in your developer role.
To be honest, no one requires a manager these days in IT. Management job are easily replacable. In case of IT industry, only two type of roles matter, 1 - Sales/PreSales (who brings business) and 2 - Technical People (who delivers the business). Rest of posts are mostly redundent. In my company, hardly 20% of manager are PMP certified. As mentioned in video, they are there for business continuty and no one asks for their certification.
Thank you for sharing your viewpoint, but the scenario differs across companies and geographies.
Dude … this mentality works only for startups … other companies are run by managers only ( the technical team look upto management for roadmap and decisions). Do u think companies pay lakhs and crores for management folks just to fill excel sheets ???? U haven’t seen a right environment I believe . Stackoverflow gives solution for all syntactical and logical errors … but any wrong decision in business or execution will be costly .. that’s where we need right set of managers .
Thank you for sharing your viewpoint.
As an engineer, I resigned from my previous company after accepted as lead engineer at another company. Maybe my PMP certificate one of factor that I get this new job.
Yes, it can be a key contributing factor.
Great information.
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching & commenting.
The job market issue about experience is problematic. This means it is virtually impossible to switch careers . That is bad for the growth of people and industries . People need to grow and improve not be in static jobs .
thanks for this video. Would you please help comment on PRINCE2 vs PMI ACP. If there is video on this already, kindly share
Hi. You may need to google the same, however, region-wise...PRINCE2 for EU/UK/Australia and PMI-ACP for US/Canada/Indian Subcontinent/Middle East.
@@PMPwithRay Thanks
The value of a PMP certification really depends on the industry and country. Some industries don’t care for PMP, e.g. a big chunk of tech in the US, which is all about taking risks and getting to market faster. They believe following PMP processes slows down their execution and rely on smart engineers (+light processes) instead to run programs. On the other hand, industries such as construction, healthcare, defense, manufacturing, aerospace, finance etc. are heavily risk-averse, need to comply with safety and legal regulations and cannot rush execution. They require a structured approach to project management and even mention PMP as a requirement in their job postings.
Again, this totally depends on the country and industry. I can see arguments both way. I spent over 25 years in tech not having a PMP certification and because I relocated to a region with different industries, I’m looking to get PMP because most jobs here seem to ask for it.
Thank you for watching and commenting!
I hope you read and revert to my comment. I'm struggling with finding a job currently and also jobless at the moment.
My past experience is based on event management which was a long time ago and customer service domain that i am trying to get out of. Now most BPO's don't have project management really as a designation or domain, Hence the need to switch my industry.
As of now, if done a few Linkedin courses and have only been applying to small startups as a Project coordinator or an Assistant project manager so that I could gain some experience at the very least. I'm even ready to accept any lowball offers as compared to my last CTC. How can I help myself here. What can I do better to get a job.
Would really appreciate your reply to this. Thanks.
Hi Kevin, I understand your situation and agree that it's a challenging time for you. I would recommend you to work on the following (if not doing already):
1. Work on your CV...it should portray PM work ex and not admin work ex
2. Keep applying, job search is a number game. The more you apply, the better your probability of cracking it
3. Don't keep any location/role constraint. Focus on the profile & be flexible to the offers you receive.
@@PMPwithRay thank you so much for replying.
What do I do if I don't have any relevant experience to mention on my C.V?
Then it's difficult my friend. You might need to do internships/non-profit projects to build that profile first.
Still there are people who are getting their dream jobs without PMP (like me and my manager). Couple of years ago I thought how come my manager is at position without PMP then later all those misconceptions are gone for me. Another point People have created so much hype there are many other streams where one can easily get a job and fulfill their dreams. I think guys you need to think broader level rather narrow down to PMP only. Think before you act.
Very true. In a broad scheme of things, PMP is one of many ways to enhance your credibility as a PM.
To do any work in the world is just common sense and a pure sense of proper logic, putting emphasis on certifications, background, experience etc is just corporate BS.
Thank you for watching & commenting!
Indeed I noticed that PMP certification counts basically 0 in the EU.....
Hi Macsim. Yes, indeed :)
EU is more PRINCE2ish
@@mnasirkhanctl only in UK , not really in Europe…in fact they don’t care about certification in EU
Prince 2
Yes, in EU it's PRINCE2.
Helpful 🙂
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching & commenting.
Wonderful video and knowledge Sir.
I am SAFe 5 certified scrum master an want to pursue my career in agile overall. I have chosen PMI-ACP as my next certification target but I heard somewhere that PMI-ACP is not valued in India after PMP included agile concepts in it.
Could you please suggest career path, how to become an agile coach and sequence of learning/certifications?
Thanks you in advanced !!
In America, we have a saying, "Those who can, do. Those who can't teach." In America, to be a coach, you will need about five years of experience and references. Your certifications will be meaningless to me.
I have hired people in India and the middle east that professed to pass exams but did not know anything.
According to me if you want to become an agile coach you need to have valuable experience in Agile….only certification won’t help you to be an agile coach.
@@cedricm796 Thank you for responding. I am working with agile practices since last 6 years and have good skills too. Just need to hold a certification too.
@@MrTodayistheday Thank you for your response.
Hi Nimit, focus on skill building rather than chasing certifications. As long as you have one flagship certification under your belt, you should be fine!
Hi Ray, i am planning to make a career switch from a software developer to a PM. what are the certifications that would hold value in the US for a PM role?
also, do you think if this is a right time to make a career switch?
Thank you :)
Hi. If you are in the US, you can look out for AWS, Cisco, ITIL, PMI-ACP certifications based on what is valued in your industry & discipline. There is no one size fits all and you need to benchmark within your peer/seniors to get the right career-certification fit.
Every country has its own set of educational criteria but up to what extent can a person keeps doing certifications
Right, hence it's important to choose only a selected few which is relevant to your career, industry and country.
I have a pmp however i dont believe itll help to get the dream job or promotion
I believe the knowledge matters a lot i was doing projects way before i even knew that pmp existed then i became PM got pmp…
Every PM should learn the insights of technologies regardless of anything since pm roles can put you in any situation
Thank you for sharing your views on this subject!
@@PMPwithRay when i say i was doing projects i meant six sigma projects (black belt , green belt, lean, or automation) :)
Sir my friend has actually got job on the basis of pmp certification....he has changed his field from non software to software field and in addition he has worked on his basics of it industry requirements....but the main reason due to which he got shortlisted for the interview was his certification of this course ....i have just one question....
That means with knowledge and with this advantage of certification we can change our fields also .....right sir ...? Or is it just a rare happening which I have told in the above para .
Yes, you can change fields. I have explored 3 industries now...Power & Utility, FMCG, Healthcare.
Thank you for your information. Which certification is valued in the U.K?
Prince 2 for project management
PRINCE2/APM Certifications/NEC3/NEC4
Thank you for watching & commenting!
Watch the video. Training isn’t going to help with the obvious
If you want to land a job, get a 4 degree to pair with the PMP.
Hi. Certifications are only 1 aspect of getting a job. There are other factors such as job-person fit, company culture etc. which comes into play while converting a job.
Even people with 4 years degrees don't land jobs. I see people with no degree getting hired. Depends on who you know.
Thanks for sharing your viewpoint. I agree that 'networking' can be a major contributor for getting a good job. However, having the right skills is also equally important.
Hi - I’m working with a project management consultant firm, having 3 years and 5 months of work ex.- construction domain. I want to switch domain, Will Pmp or prince2 work out for me?
I have discussed about how to select between PMP and PRINCE2 via this videos:
ruclips.net/video/t-0LbDgSrWc/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/gx0bgFx9WW/видео.html
I completed my bachelors in Mechanical Engineering and I have 3 yrs of experience in Automotive industry and currently working in oil and gas industry. I would like to do pmp certification will it help me to enhance my career opportunities. Because I didn't have experience in project management.
Hi, if you don't have core PM work-ex, you may not be eligible for the exam. Please check this blog article to know more: www.pmpwithray.com/pmp-certification-eligibility-requirements/
Hi Ray, I have 11 years of banking experience , I have now come to Canada from India for graduate certificate in pm. After that i will do pmp. What else can i do to increase my chances of getting a good job after pmp. Also, is there any demand for PMs in banking sector.
You should benchmark within your industry peers and see what enabling qualifications folks have done for promotion/career progression.
As a fresher which certification do you suggest for project management graduates?
Please check this video from my YT channel that talks about beginner PM certifications: ruclips.net/video/lZIw79w7bCY/видео.html
Hi Ray, thank you for the message but most of the RUclipsr beat around the same bush again n again. The information is so short but keep repeating the same points with different words.
Hi Rajesh, thank you for the feedback. Can you specifically tell me which doubts you have in mind that this video doesn't answer? You may post it here or msg me privately over LinkedIn/Gmail. My email ID is provided in the video description.
@@PMPwithRay hey Ray, I was sleepy little when I posted my comment. I actually wanted to say, you are detailed and explain everything within short time, which most of the other RUclips fail to do. You are doing awesome 👌
thanks for using the good ol correct map of India.
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It's like a scam if you have kids only then we will certify you that you are father, they want so long experience. This is just to suck money from already struggling people & take out of India. Thanks for cautioning & guidance.
Hi Vinay. Thank you for watching, commenting & sharing your views.
Thanks is it valid in automobile industry as well ?
Yes, it is valid across all industries.
You don't get or pass your PMP. You earn the credential based on your knowledge and relevant work experience. PMI does not audit everyone. The advice given here is spot on.
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Hi i have completed pmp certification and trying for job for 1 year still am not getting. What i need to do
Hi, it might be a good idea to work on your CV.
then why to do it. Is this just a marketing technique that the US is trying to impose on the workforce
Absolutely not. Without a certification, you might NOT even make it till the interview :)
I want to make my career in Project management as a non technical are there any scope how to get entry in any organization
Hi. Please check my beginner PM certification video.
I am Area sales manager in Pharma Industry
Total Experience is more 10 years
Kindly suggest what type of certification do I need or am I eligible for PMP or it is good for me??
Hi, assessing your PMP Exam eligibility could be tricky. Hence, I have written a detailed blog post on this topic. Please go through this in detail and I am sure you will be able to make that assessment yourself. I have taken examples similar to your background in this blog post: www.pmpwithray.com/pmp-certification-eligibility-requirements/
Thats right
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My personal experience, For Project Management knowledge, IPMA is better than PMP.
Thank you for sharing your viewpoint.
Hi Ray, I am a team lead in BPO industry and can I pursue the PMP and make a career in project management.
Hi Rahul, seems like you will not meet the eligibility criteria of the exam. Check more details here: www.pmpwithray.com/pmp-certification-eligibility-requirements/
Think about it, most programs are complex animals and typically carry hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars , and of course more. A 4 day prep course, 2-3 weeks of practice questions and you’re done. Does anyone really thing a company leader is going to hand you the reigns to anything? The certification is a basic checkmark to have , nothing more. It’s about content knowledge not about the framework to manage it. Be a contributor and not an admin which is what PMP typically delivers. Having hired more than 40 PM’s , PMP is not valued added to GET the job.
Thank you for sharing your views on this subject!
To be more precised it is not valued if you have no the experience required for the job….
Boss it is commonsense what you are saying. Unfortunately people want to overcomplicate things ignoring commonsense.
Yes, common sense is often most uncommon :)
Hi! I am working as senior ui developer in my present company for 2 years and my total experience is 8 years , can I do the pmp certifiaction? Please suggest. Thank you
Hi, you may not be eligible since you do not have project manager work-ex. Please check this article to know more: www.pmpwithray.com/pmp-certification-eligibility-requirements/
Can you help with PRINCE2 study material ?
Hi Akshay, unfortunately not. My coaching scope is only with PMP at the moment. However, in future I may expand to PRINCE2.
If they're not getting interviews with their PMP certification then they need to redo their resume.
Yes, resume building is equally important. Thanks for sharing.
is it worth doing certified project management from nicmar
Hi. I would not be able to comment on that. Please check the curriculum & placement records. Also, talk to alumni and see how they are doing after the degree.
I don't want to get a great dream promotion, I need to open a RUclips channel teaching ppl how to pass them exam and make money from view plus I need to create a book about that and sell as many copies as possible, 😋
Thank you for watching & commenting. All the best with your initiatives.
Rofl.. #Trend 😄
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PM need to have soft skills!
Very true.
PMP doesn't even help to increase your PM skills in Oil and Gas field
PMP is not industry specific. It aims to develop your overall skill as a PM.
What does that statement even mean?
As it's not industry specific, I would say it's of no use in oil and gas that it means
Since PMP is not industry specific, it equally valued across all industries provided you have the skills of a project manager demonstrated through your work experience. I have worked across 3 industries now with my PMP certification.
Since PMP is not industry specific, it equally valued across all industries provided you have the skills of a project manager demonstrated through your work experience. I have worked across 3 industries now with my PMP certification.
When do you plan to stop selling pmp courses on udemy n change ur name to only ray.
Umm...not entirely sure what that's supposed to mean. Can you please elaborate?
@@PMPwithRay as in going thru comment section its very clear you propose that thereis no point in having pmp. Or rather there aretoo many pmp holders in market. Pls explain if allthis is scam and all that why is someone not registering a case n that whydo companies prefer "PMP CERTIFIED". As what you mentioned this stands true then for almost all degrees n certifications just simply stop studying n stop looking for jobs n then do what?
Very clearly sny kind of course or degree which is affiliated by international universities has much importance n career growth. This video os yoursdiesnt helps anyone prepare for pmp but instead deflects ones point of view from being a project msnager. Then why are you still selling pmp course is my question.
Hi Neha, you have raised some very good points. However, you were not able to understand the basic premise of the video which is: By getting the PMP Certification (or any strong certification such as PRINCE2, APM etc)...you chances of a CV shortlist & interview calls increases manifold...however, once you are at the interview table, YOUR skills as a PM with real-life experience matters more than certifications.
Without the PMP Certificate, you may not have made to the CV shortlist/interview anyway. That's where certifications help & employers use them as a primary criteria to sieve through applications.
@@snehaagarwal77 could not agree more
Pmp is just dhakosla, rather study for government job if you're in India
Viewpoint appreciated, to each his own.
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Why would anyone think they could get a job from a PMP certification 😂
That's a very common myth a lot of PMP aspirants have.
It’s a very common perception. Many people think that it will be easy to get a job once they have PMP etc.
Then why are we caught in this foolish paradox? that means nothing is enough.
Actually, it's just the opposite. Only 1 or 2 at max. is enough.
I also didn't get it
Thank you for watching & commenting. What do you think was the reason behind that, please?
@@PMPwithRay sir how can i contact you.
My email ID is in the video description. Also, you can reach out to me over LinkedIn.
Ugh not sure this is the best source for advice
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I think PMP has only 3 yrs validity...
Yes, and it can be renewed every 3 years to continue holding the credential
PMP is one of most useless certificate, it lost its value after the changes PMI has done last year.
Thank you for sharing your viewpoint.
What changes did they make?
@@PROCOTRDOCTOR123 They added too much of Agile mate, it's quite easy now, almost nothing to remember, too general exam.
Previously with traditional approach it's quite hard exam and with low pass rate, now pass rate is more than 80%. Exam is quite easy now a days.
So desperate if a person thinks for 3 - 6 months of a study u will be hired as a manager . U must be kidding. U have to have an experience, understanding, charm, competence. Paper exam is diffdrent than life. Cert. shows only u know the terminology but reality more than that
Thank you for sharing your viewpoint.