That’s still a lot. Maybe it’s worth it to those who want it. But I wouldn’t pay it because FSD doesn’t excite me. Adaptive cruise control with lane keeping is more than sufficient for me.
FSD is a scam. I don't see how Tesla gets away with calling it "Full Self-Driving," when it in fact does not actually offer full self-driving (unlike what the fanboys claim).
Great info and all this in 5 minutes👍🏼. The Max DC fast charging rate is perhaps the most useless metric when comparing EV’s. Time needed to charge from 0% to 80% is a better metric, as EV’s charge at the max rate for only a few minutes before the charge rate tapers off.
IMHO the #1 benefit of owning a tesla is that unlike ANY other vehicle, because of consistent, reliable updates, it actually performs better as time passes. for example, owners of older tesla models claim that their cameras improved after updates. you will never hear of such cases on other EVs, assuming they would even be able to do updates.
Other EV’s as well as many conventional vehicles are capable of over the air updates . For example, both the F150 and F150 Lightning are capable of OTA updates.
@@dmandman9 true, some of them do. but one of my biggest gripes is for the price you pay for THEIR EVs which is often even MORE expensive than tesla's (PLUS dealership markups) you get screens that look like they were made in the 90s. and even if they do look amazing like the Lucid Air, IT LAGS after a while.
@@strangefire2024 Truth be told, some people want a car that doesn’t remind them that they’re in an EV. They LOVE their current vehicles. They don’t really want something that different from what they’re driving already. If you made their favorite vehicle in an EV, with a similar price, they’d be happy. They don’t mind their current touchscreen or instrument cluster. If the lag was gone, they’d be satisfied.
@@dmandman9 i do not begrudge people for loving their ICE vehicles. every person has their own taste. but looking for an EV version at the same price is a fantasy. not only are the EVs from legacy auto much more expensive than their gas guzzling counterparts, they LOSE MONEY for every EV they sell. the only EV manufacturers who actually earn from selling EVs are Tesla and BYD.
@@dmandman9 in certain situations, Teslas are even cheaper than their ICE counterparts and the difference will get even more apparent in a few months IMHO. that's because unlike legacy auto which are like dinosaurs when it comes to making changes, Tesla is making drastic improvements in their manufacturing significantly lowering costs of production.
Manual air vents are over rated... those that prefer manual air vents either 100% agree on where air should flow with their partner, don't have a partner, or love adjusting vents every time they get in the car after the other person drove... automatically adjustable airvents are one of the most amazing features of the tesla in my opinion. This comes from an owner of a leaf and Y.
That'll be sweet if Tesla update the air vent to automatically turn from left to right I'm pretty sure he will probably change that in an update down the line
Yes, the *STARTING* price of the ID.4 is less, but once you equip it similarly to a base Model Y, the prices are much closer. Base ID.4 is single motor, with low range, etc. Also, you mention Tesla changing prices often. Dealers do that too, it to mention, dealers who mark up over MSRP and add unwanted “upgrades”.
I did this in the configurator of VW website in Netherlands. The base car includes no driving assistance, no safety features, theft protection features or even a reversing camera. All have to be bought as options. Once we do that, we get a motor that’s is half as powerful, a car much smaller and then the range and horrible software issues. And the cost is more than what I can pay for the Model Y long range. Shit.
You can't equip Tesla similarly to the ID.4 though. You can't add Android auto, you can't add head up display or the instrument panel, you can't add good build quality, you can't add blind spot indicators, you can't add a feature to avoid freezing the charge port door shut, and so on
The reason to prefer the ID4 boils down to a dealership within a few miles of my home and a network of dealers with service departments across the country along with the excellent build quality of the car that you expect from a maker as storied and experienced as VW. For the Tesla it's all about the technology. Head and shoulders better than the VW for sure, on that score, yet you do have to accept inferior build quality and Tesla really doesn't have a dealer network worth talking about. Most owners will live farther away from a service department than anyone would ever call comforting or reasonable to access.
@@maxflight777 Sure they do...... as long as you live close enough to a Tesla Service Dept. Over-the -air doesn't address all problems and a tech visiting in my driveway can't fix or take of everything nor does the company offer that for all repairs and service needs. It's FAR from "bulllshit" to suggest there is better support when you have much larger and expansive choice of dealer service departments throughout the country when you choose to buy from a traditional car maker. GM, Ford, VW and Hyundai dealers dot the country in everything from big cities to mid sized towns. Tesla may get there eventually but for many of us they aren't there yet. Closest to me is over 100 miles away. I get it. You're a "fan boy" of Tesla but that doesn't change the facts on this one.
After having driven both, I prefer the ID.4 as a car, but the MY as an EV. The MY has a slightly better real-world range, but the ID.4 feels better, drives better, and is built better compared the Y's I've driven during test drives and during rentals on vacation. Give me the ID.4 with the guts (charging, infotainment + CarPlay, cameras, etc.) of the Model Y and I'll be happy forever.
@@javier_plumey We have the Id3,4 and 5 at work and i have used all 3 alot. I would buy both the id3 and 5 without hesitation, they handle very well, never had any issues and even the oldest id3 infotainment feels more snappy than the id4s. Im currently driving a Skoda and i had their version of the id4 as a loaner for 2 weeks late last year and i guess that will be my next car, its just so much more practical and there just isnt much competition in that part of the market, nobody is building good EV Stationwagons-
@@nox5555Not sure if you had better luck, but some time ago I had seen a ID.3 used to show off before moto-journalists and it was terribly built car… Cheap fugly interior, outer panels with widely variable gaps, 5th door hanging like 5mm lower, than it should… And the software…🤡
I like the 5 minute length. Time is at premium. Comparisons are hard, particularly when Tesla is known to overstate the range. Also, the free fast charging for VW is devil's gift. Can you compare AWD version of ID4 with Tesla MY? You know, like apples to pears vs. apples to bananas? Thank you!
Interesting for me is what is the deal breaker for you, Android Auto and Apple car play. I actually do not know what it is. But I will go Google it now. It would be interesting if you could do one on one comparisons like these with other brands and models using the Model y, although I know you do not like Tesla, as the "bench mark" since it is the top seller.
You needed to compare prices of comparably equipped ID4 vs. Tesla....When you do that...then Tesla is cheaper. Tesla comes fully loaded plus includes Autopilot standard (included). Starting prices of Tesla's competition is completely misleading.
Tesla never comes fully loaded, buddy. It's missing common features that pretty much all other cars on the market have like the instrument panel and the Android auto/ Apple carplay
@@EforElectric And not forgetting HUD (dealbreaker for me), working matrix headlights, USS and working auto wipers are in a fully loaded ID4 - but not the tesla.
Good quick review. What you failed to mention was the Tesla's complete lack of a driver's console, and the Model Y's absolutely horrible ride quality. (Though I've been told that has gotten better.). I could not live without Apple CarPlay. There's no excuse in 2023 to not have it.
what happends when you put in a Skoda enyaq instead of a ID4 :D som thing s will happend :) wel well i wonder why you dont get teh Enyaq it is som classes better ID4/5 is no fun. enyaq
But BYD will blow Tesla out of the water, in 2024 (and perhaps even this year). We'll see when the 4th quarter numbers are released. BYD is an unstoppable juggernaut. And they haven't even started with the U.S. market yet.
The Performance one is not eligible, the LR and SR ones are perfectly eligible ($5k fed +$4k provincial in BC), post-tax though (roughly 8k pre-tax). Right now the top of the line ID.4 is roughly the same price as MY LR.
@@fredderf6491 I like having a trunk on sedan. And since there are very few vehicles with a totally enclosed cargo area because there are very few sedans, a frunk fills that function. It doesn't have to be terribly large. But I would like for it to be there
I could care less about FSD, as long as it has intelligent cruse control and good lane keeping I am fine with that. Just bought a performance Y, my second electric car. The Tesla is so far ahead on all fronts its no comparison. I am absolutely not a fan boy but understand why there have such a fan base, it’s a really is that good.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. These comparisons are even close. The Model Y wins hands down. Test drive a MY and see for yourself. Why else did VW cut back their productions...because few people want them.
Unfortunately, free DC fast charging encourages drivers to charge all the way up to 100%. There are few enough CCS fast chargers in the US, this has contributed to lengthy queues.
I disagree that the base autopilot is industry leading. It was 10 years ago, but now many brands have better systems. Also comparing the performance model Y numbers to the id4 is a bit misleading… they are 20k apart in price.
We'll see how irrelevant VW is when they and their partner QuantumScape roll out their solid state batteries, which will be a game-changer for EVs. Tesla doesn't appear to have much of a game plan for solid state batteries. I've heard Tesla fanboys claim that this doesn't matter and that Tesla can simply buy solid state batteries when they become available. However, that's assuming that competitors like Toyota, Mercedes and VW will be willing to sell SS batteries to a competitor. I think the Tesla fanboys are being too hasty in writing off the likes of VW, Mercedes and Toyota in EVs.
@@i6power30 I've seen interviews with the QuantumScape CEO. He appears to be well-informed on the SS battery industry and makes a good case for his company. Musk, on the other hand, has made so many failed promises on things like FSD that I suspect nobody outside of the Musk fanboys take him seriously any more.
@@mar5rfdsa FSD works pretty well. I use it every day in Germany. Tesla is years ahead in software. I bought a Model 3 Performance. Mine no longer has ultrasonic sensors and I'm really happy about that.
I see these I.D.4's around Vegas, I have NO idea why someone would buy this car over a Tesla. You would have to have rocks in your head and the vent adjustements are amazing in the Tesla!
I would buy almost any electric crossover over Tesla. And I have driven and researched all of them because that's my job. Tesla Model Y is completely trash for a customer like me, you know, with some standards
@@EforElectric You clearly don't know your stuff and as a result you are far from an expert! Tesla is the MOST VALUABLE car company and the Tesla Model Y is the most selling car WORLDWIDE regardless of Electric or Gas vehicles. So you were saying something about Tesla being trash when more than half the world disagrees with you?
@@akennedystocks The stock of any company has nothing to do with the quality of its product. The sales number of a product does not indicate that it's good, because otherwise you should start doing heroin and vodka as they both outsell most other products by far. But I love a keyword warrior like yourself thinking that he knows better than a 10-year veteran of reporting on this industry. It's adorable.
@@EforElectric You are absolutely wrong, Tesla has amazing quality in their products. When was the last time you drove one 3 years ago? Probably, clearly you are in denial and are no longer an authority in this area because you have not kept yourself current.
The ID.4 looks so much better. No joke!
tesla is far superior to the id4. KO for tesla
FSD cost 12,000$ now, not 15,000$, Alex
That’s still a lot. Maybe it’s worth it to those who want it. But I wouldn’t pay it because FSD doesn’t excite me. Adaptive cruise control with lane keeping is more than sufficient for me.
FSD is a scam. I don't see how Tesla gets away with calling it "Full Self-Driving," when it in fact does not actually offer full self-driving (unlike what the fanboys claim).
Great info and all this in 5 minutes👍🏼. The Max DC fast charging rate is perhaps the most useless metric when comparing EV’s. Time needed to charge from 0% to 80% is a better metric, as EV’s charge at the max rate for only a few minutes before the charge rate tapers off.
I agree. Just let me know how long it takes to charge
Alex, FSD is $12k again
IMHO the #1 benefit of owning a tesla is that unlike ANY other vehicle, because of consistent, reliable updates, it actually performs better as time passes. for example, owners of older tesla models claim that their cameras improved after updates. you will never hear of such cases on other EVs, assuming they would even be able to do updates.
Other EV’s as well as many conventional vehicles are capable of over the air updates . For example, both the F150 and F150 Lightning are capable of OTA updates.
@@dmandman9 true, some of them do. but one of my biggest gripes is for the price you pay for THEIR EVs which is often even MORE expensive than tesla's (PLUS dealership markups) you get screens that look like they were made in the 90s. and even if they do look amazing like the Lucid Air, IT LAGS after a while.
@@strangefire2024 Truth be told, some people want a car that doesn’t remind them that they’re in an EV. They LOVE their current vehicles. They don’t really want something that different from what they’re driving already. If you made their favorite vehicle in an EV, with a similar price, they’d be happy. They don’t mind their current touchscreen or instrument cluster. If the lag was gone, they’d be satisfied.
@@dmandman9 i do not begrudge people for loving their ICE vehicles. every person has their own taste. but looking for an EV version at the same price is a fantasy. not only are the EVs from legacy auto much more expensive than their gas guzzling counterparts, they LOSE MONEY for every EV they sell. the only EV manufacturers who actually earn from selling EVs are Tesla and BYD.
@@dmandman9 in certain situations, Teslas are even cheaper than their ICE counterparts and the difference will get even more apparent in a few months IMHO. that's because unlike legacy auto which are like dinosaurs when it comes to making changes, Tesla is making drastic improvements in their manufacturing significantly lowering costs of production.
Manual air vents are over rated... those that prefer manual air vents either 100% agree on where air should flow with their partner, don't have a partner, or love adjusting vents every time they get in the car after the other person drove... automatically adjustable airvents are one of the most amazing features of the tesla in my opinion. This comes from an owner of a leaf and Y.
That'll be sweet if Tesla update the air vent to automatically turn from left to right I'm pretty sure he will probably change that in an update down the line
@Benjamin Totally agree !!
Yes, the *STARTING* price of the ID.4 is less, but once you equip it similarly to a base Model Y, the prices are much closer. Base ID.4 is single motor, with low range, etc. Also, you mention Tesla changing prices often. Dealers do that too, it to mention, dealers who mark up over MSRP and add unwanted “upgrades”.
I did this in the configurator of VW website in Netherlands. The base car includes no driving assistance, no safety features, theft protection features or even a reversing camera. All have to be bought as options.
Once we do that, we get a motor that’s is half as powerful, a car much smaller and then the range and horrible software issues. And the cost is more than what I can pay for the Model Y long range. Shit.
You can't equip Tesla similarly to the ID.4 though. You can't add Android auto, you can't add head up display or the instrument panel, you can't add good build quality, you can't add blind spot indicators, you can't add a feature to avoid freezing the charge port door shut, and so on
You can add the dashboard panel, but not the other features, nor massaging seats
VW just cut production of ID3 and slowing down the ID4 output due to lagging demand.
Yeah, because they pretty much suck....
The reason to prefer the ID4 boils down to a dealership within a few miles of my home and a network of dealers with service departments across the country along with the excellent build quality of the car that you expect from a maker as storied and experienced as VW. For the Tesla it's all about the technology. Head and shoulders better than the VW for sure, on that score, yet you do have to accept inferior build quality and Tesla really doesn't have a dealer network worth talking about. Most owners will live farther away from a service department than anyone would ever call comforting or reasonable to access.
😂
Tesla does have a support network. Dont spout bullshit.
@@maxflight777 Sure they do...... as long as you live close enough to a Tesla Service Dept. Over-the -air doesn't address all problems and a tech visiting in my driveway can't fix or take of everything nor does the company offer that for all repairs and service needs. It's FAR from "bulllshit" to suggest there is better support when you have much larger and expansive choice of dealer service departments throughout the country when you choose to buy from a traditional car maker. GM, Ford, VW and Hyundai dealers dot the country in everything from big cities to mid sized towns. Tesla may get there eventually but for many of us they aren't there yet. Closest to me is over 100 miles away. I get it. You're a "fan boy" of Tesla but that doesn't change the facts on this one.
No comparison!
*VW headed to bankruptcy*
Tesla did fairly recently add Apple Airplay, though Carplay and Android Auto are still, sadly, missing.
I have a model y and an iPhone. Sorry, no AirPlay. Only Bluetooth and that works with android phones as well
After having driven both, I prefer the ID.4 as a car, but the MY as an EV. The MY has a slightly better real-world range, but the ID.4 feels better, drives better, and is built better compared the Y's I've driven during test drives and during rentals on vacation. Give me the ID.4 with the guts (charging, infotainment + CarPlay, cameras, etc.) of the Model Y and I'll be happy forever.
The ID4 is terrible, nothing works right and it drives badly. the 2 sister cars drive much better and the id5 has incredible nice handling.
@@nox5555 I have very few problems with my ID4. Are you an owner?
@@javier_plumey We have the Id3,4 and 5 at work and i have used all 3 alot.
I would buy both the id3 and 5 without hesitation, they handle very well, never had any issues and even the oldest id3 infotainment feels more snappy than the id4s.
Im currently driving a Skoda and i had their version of the id4 as a loaner for 2 weeks late last year and i guess that will be my next car, its just so much more practical and there just isnt much competition in that part of the market, nobody is building good EV Stationwagons-
But you can have an ID4 with charging+infotainment +++ etc, but make sure to pay an extra 10 k USD.
@@nox5555Not sure if you had better luck, but some time ago I had seen a ID.3 used to show off before moto-journalists and it was terribly built car…
Cheap fugly interior, outer panels with widely variable gaps, 5th door hanging like 5mm lower, than it should…
And the software…🤡
UPDATE: Teslas FSD has been discounted to $1 $12,000 recently....that is better.
No comparison !
CHECK RESALE VALUE 😆😆😵💫
Which one has better resale?
@@0HOON0 Tesla I think
This might be the dumbest comment so far this month
I like the 5 minute length. Time is at premium. Comparisons are hard, particularly when Tesla is known to overstate the range. Also, the free fast charging for VW is devil's gift. Can you compare AWD version of ID4 with Tesla MY? You know, like apples to pears vs. apples to bananas? Thank you!
E.M. Is a supervillain in disguise...😂
Interesting for me is what is the deal breaker for you, Android Auto and Apple car play. I actually do not know what it is. But I will go Google it now. It would be interesting if you could do one on one comparisons like these with other brands and models using the Model y, although I know you do not like Tesla, as the "bench mark" since it is the top seller.
It’s now 12,000 for FSD
You needed to compare prices of comparably equipped ID4 vs. Tesla....When you do that...then Tesla is cheaper. Tesla comes fully loaded plus includes Autopilot standard (included). Starting prices of Tesla's competition is completely misleading.
Tesla never comes fully loaded, buddy. It's missing common features that pretty much all other cars on the market have like the instrument panel and the Android auto/ Apple carplay
@@EforElectric And not forgetting HUD (dealbreaker for me), working matrix headlights, USS and working auto wipers are in a fully loaded ID4 - but not the tesla.
Yeah, Alex, you still can do it. 👍 This is a pretty objective view without your Tesla hate.
Love our ID4. Plus, I don't have to give Elmo money
Good quick review. What you failed to mention was the Tesla's complete lack of a driver's console, and the Model Y's absolutely horrible ride quality. (Though I've been told that has gotten better.). I could not live without Apple CarPlay. There's no excuse in 2023 to not have it.
If I was to list all of its faults this video would be 1 hour and 5 minutes
what happends when you put in a Skoda enyaq instead of a ID4 :D som thing s will happend :) wel well i wonder why you dont get teh Enyaq it is som classes better ID4/5 is no fun. enyaq
🏁Tesla model Y will be the most sold carmodel on planet Earth in year 2023 and year 2024 🏁🏆🥇
But BYD will blow Tesla out of the water, in 2024 (and perhaps even this year). We'll see when the 4th quarter numbers are released.
BYD is an unstoppable juggernaut. And they haven't even started with the U.S. market yet.
Agree
LOL...Sure...does that included 3rd world countries?
Great video! Lots of info delivered in a timely fashion!
Absense of Herbert Diess is a contributory factor of current VW “performance” ?
Hey! Do a video on the KIA EV9! See if they give you a free one! 😊
Put it as you want, MY long range is not eligible to Canadian subsidies and cost 15000 to 20000$ cad more than the ID4.
The Performance one is not eligible, the LR and SR ones are perfectly eligible ($5k fed +$4k provincial in BC), post-tax though (roughly 8k pre-tax). Right now the top of the line ID.4 is roughly the same price as MY LR.
I drive Model Y the I can say is the worst car on market
An EV without a Frunk is a wasted opportunity in my opinion. That would be a deal breaker for me. Thankfully many other EV’s do have a frunk.
I'd rather have the frunk space inside the vehicle.
@@fredderf6491 I like having a trunk on sedan. And since there are very few vehicles with a totally enclosed cargo area because there are very few sedans, a frunk fills that function. It doesn't have to be terribly large. But I would like for it to be there
I could care less about FSD, as long as it has intelligent cruse control and good lane keeping I am fine with that. Just bought a performance Y, my second electric car. The Tesla is so far ahead on all fronts its no comparison. I am absolutely not a fan boy but understand why there have such a fan base, it’s a really is that good.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. These comparisons are even close. The Model Y wins hands down. Test drive a MY and see for yourself. Why else did VW cut back their productions...because few people want them.
Not true. During the first half of 2023, VW EV sales were up 50 percent compared to the same period last year.
The M Y does not have CarPlay which is a deal breaker for me.
Same
Isn't GM going to remove CarPlay (and Android) from their upcoming cars also?
@@zodie8740 I heard that too, but wasn’t planning to buy GM either.
Unfortunately, free DC fast charging encourages drivers to charge all the way up to 100%. There are few enough CCS fast chargers in the US, this has contributed to lengthy queues.
I disagree that the base autopilot is industry leading. It was 10 years ago, but now many brands have better systems. Also comparing the performance model Y numbers to the id4 is a bit misleading… they are 20k apart in price.
VW is no longer relevant in EV industry.. The real competition is between Tesla and Chinese EVs, BYD, Nio, xpeng etc.
We'll see how irrelevant VW is when they and their partner QuantumScape roll out their solid state batteries, which will be a game-changer for EVs.
Tesla doesn't appear to have much of a game plan for solid state batteries. I've heard Tesla fanboys claim that this doesn't matter and that Tesla can simply buy solid state batteries when they become available. However, that's assuming that competitors like Toyota, Mercedes and VW will be willing to sell SS batteries to a competitor.
I think the Tesla fanboys are being too hasty in writing off the likes of VW, Mercedes and Toyota in EVs.
@@mar5rfdsa we'll see. I've seen a few quantumscape interviews. They sound like bunch of dreamers smoking too much hopiun.
@@i6power30 I've seen interviews with the QuantumScape CEO. He appears to be well-informed on the SS battery industry and makes a good case for his company.
Musk, on the other hand, has made so many failed promises on things like FSD that I suspect nobody outside of the Musk fanboys take him seriously any more.
@@mar5rfdsa FSD works pretty well. I use it every day in Germany. Tesla is years ahead in software.
I bought a Model 3 Performance. Mine no longer has ultrasonic sensors and I'm really happy about that.
You forgot the US market bud!
I see these I.D.4's around Vegas, I have NO idea why someone would buy this car over a Tesla. You would have to have rocks in your head and the vent adjustements are amazing in the Tesla!
I would buy almost any electric crossover over Tesla. And I have driven and researched all of them because that's my job. Tesla Model Y is completely trash for a customer like me, you know, with some standards
@@EforElectric You clearly don't know your stuff and as a result you are far from an expert! Tesla is the MOST VALUABLE car company and the Tesla Model Y is the most selling car WORLDWIDE regardless of Electric or Gas vehicles. So you were saying something about Tesla being trash when more than half the world disagrees with you?
@@akennedystocks The stock of any company has nothing to do with the quality of its product. The sales number of a product does not indicate that it's good, because otherwise you should start doing heroin and vodka as they both outsell most other products by far. But I love a keyword warrior like yourself thinking that he knows better than a 10-year veteran of reporting on this industry. It's adorable.
@@EforElectric You are absolutely wrong, Tesla has amazing quality in their products. When was the last time you drove one 3 years ago? Probably, clearly you are in denial and are no longer an authority in this area because you have not kept yourself current.
Hope Tesla update the vent to automatically turn from right to left
Why no more posts?