The Tragic Trials and Tribulations of Roscoe ‘Fatty’ Arbuckle - The Forgotten Silent Movie Star
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
- Unveil the tragic tale of Roscoe ‘Fatty’ Arbuckle, the silent cinema sensation whose rise to fame and fall from grace shook Hollywood. Scandal, trials, and redemption - a story like no other!
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I now wish I hadn’t been quite so dismissive about The Curse of Fatty Arbuckle at the end of this video.
Shortly after writing the last word of this script, I fell through a top-storey hotel window and landed on a plate of glass that was on fire.
Then some scoundrel came along and threw a custard pie in my face.
That sounds uncomfy, but it's good to know that Simon does let you out of the basement occasionally. 🥧🥴
Excellent script, Danny! This was a fantastic episode from all involved.
I hope someone at least came along with some bongos and serenaded you with 'give peace a chance'. Truly great script, btw!
Why did you just have bongos at a random house party? Where did they come from?
i have a suggestion for you - i would love to hear about the murder of mary phagan and the ensuing lynching of leo frank. there is even a song about it called"little mary phagan". my dad used to sing and play it on his fiddle for us. you might could write the first 2 1/2 hour video, it's quite a story.
Karma Danny 🤷♀️ 🤣 jk jk never stop dude, you're golden 💗💗
The story of Roscoe Arbuckle always breaks my heart, seeing this thumbnail was like a gut punch. The fact that he’s often still assumed guilty over 100 years later, and known by the name he hated (‘Fatty’) makes me angry for him.
His friend and creative collaborator Buster Keaton helped keep him employed on his films after the scandal, but he never fully recovered.
It’s an important lesson I wish people learned about knee-jerk reactions to tabloid gossip, especially when the only source is a notorious rumour-monger
At the beginning Simon mentions the Biographic he did on it, and that was the first time I had heard of the scandal attached to Arbuckle. Before that I just knew of him as a "minor" silent film star and Buster Keaton's friend. That Biographic was much more conclusively on the side of Arbuckle's innocence and the tragedy of it all. Glad he at least died on a high point.
As an aside, I had never heard of the "curse" attached to an Arbuckle biographic film, but instead to a film version of the book "The Incomparable Atuk". John Belushi, Sam Kinison, John Candy, Michael O'Donoghue, Chris Farley, and Phil Hartman were all proposed as headliners for the movie, the satirical tale of a wisecracking Inuit in Toronto. Will Ferrell, Jack Black, John Goodman, Josh Mostel, and Jonathan Winters were also proposed, but the film was cancelled completely in the early 90's, so they were "spared". Jonathan Winters would have been brilliant as Arbuckle, and it would have been great if someone had proposed that in his 87yr long life...
I think it is also an important lesson regarding corrupt ambitious prosecutors. They are not anywhere close to being held accountable for their actions.
Looks like ‘cancel culture’ was ahead of its time!
He decided to use the name Fatty Arbuckle and he is a rapist and a murderer!
I wish people would have learned from this tragic story, but instead we still see the same cancel culture today - just look at what happens to Johnny Depp and recently Till Lindemann (I especially had to think of Lindemann‘s case and his first accuser listening to this video and how an attempted extortionist started it all…). That’s why due process and innocent until proven guilty are so important over blindly believing all women. Us women lie, just like men do
Simon: "This has surprisingly high viewer retention."
Also Simon: Completely original brand (i.e. goes off on tangents and talks about cute stuff his kids do all the time, says he doesn't have ADHD so viewers conclude it must be cocaine. Also keeps his writers locked in the basement.)
Never change, Simon. You'll go out of business.
This is why I enjoy him. I love that he allows us to peer into his life then murder murder robbery….
Pin this comment bc the truth is there! The uniqueness in which he makes his videos is incredible
What?
@@evesunshine3419 ... Could you elaborate on the source of your confusion
it’s great for me bc i have adhd, and i love the tangents.. they keep me engaged oddly enough
His mother’s health problems may actually be why he was so big. Women with gestational diabetes give birth to very overweight babies, and it can cause more health problems later for mum, which could include type 1 diabetes that can lead to death today, but even more so 100 plus years ago.
I came to the comments looking for this. ❤
Exact what I was thinking
Maybe it's just me, but His attire at the party makes perfect sense when we know about the acid story.
Absolutely. Who wants to wear trousers when their ass cheeks have an acid burn. A dressing gown makes so much sense, under the circumstances.
@@darkamora5123 I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that lol
I’m just 😊😊
Regardless of Arbuckle's shaky testimony, the overwhelming evidence in favor of his innocence speaks for itself. As soon as the first witness was outed as a fraud, that should have been enough, not to mention the sheer corruption shown by the prosecution.
And the judge! He should have thrown it out or at least warned the prosecution after that massive fuckup
Honestly, the judge should have dismissed the case with prejudice and come down hard enough on the prosecutor that all his political aspirations were destroyed for life.
The only thing shaky was the poor floor holding him up
@@3dguy839"hahaha easy fat joke" try harder.
I first saw Roscoe's story covered on a show Tony Curtis used to host called Hollywood Babylon. Such a tragic story. Hollywood did him so dirty. Thank you for treating his story with the dignity he deserved.
Hollywood has always done people dirty. It's a great trend follower, never a trend maker. They just rode along on the Randolph Hurst bus. The real people who did Roscoe dirty were that woman (can't even remember her name already) who was just out to extort him and the prosecutor (bucket of shit)...
Considering his personality and his requests of his defence, perhaps Arbuckle's initial story about never being alone with Rappe was to protect her reputation?
Could be also if drugs were part of what caused her episode then death that could also have been covered up to keep the rest of the party from scrutiny for drugs beyond just hooch
Both are quite interesting theories. Well done! It was definitely a tragic story of way too many people trying to further their own interests than anyone actually searching for the truth!
RIP dear Roscoe 💔
I firmly believe it's actually quite simplify than that and totally 100% human instinct & nature. Truthfully, he knew he hadn't harmed her and merely thought she was just drunk, so his laugh was merely confirmation of a great party, as stated by Simon. Though upon learning of her unfortunate death, her mentally saw the foreseeable tabloid headlines, he nervously changed his story of never being alone with her for sheer personal preservation. It's really and truly THAT simple...in my brief opinion.
From everything I’ve ever heard from listening to homicide detectives, everyone lies at least a little at first to protect themselves or others. But I think that when something illegal is involved, it always takes the police a while to convince witnesses that they won’t get in trouble for the drugs they bought or used or the car they went joyriding in or what they shoplifted or even how much past curfew they were out.
I’m sure he would have absolutely covered for himself and his guests as a knee jerk reaction because of both the alcohol and the knowledge of what could happen to someone’s career and reputation if the truth of the circumstances got out.
@@mkuti-childress3625 It's hard to speculate after all this time and not knowing what they were thinking. But it's a compelling thought. I like to assume the best of people, even if it's sometimes hard when listening to stories like these.
I'd been aware of this case for nearly 20 years; but, holy fuck, i could not have imagined how bonkers that trial was. Every time i thought it couldn't get more clownish, I was proven wrong.
I think Arbuckle changed his story because it finally dawned on him how serious it has gotten. At first, he was trying to save his reputation; after, he was trying to stay out of prison. At least that's what I think
I agree. I think, he really thought, that justice would prevail, but eventually he realised, that justice had nothing to do with it, that f..ker was just out to get him for personal gain.
I totally agree. 👍
It started to dawn on him
Oh crap I may have to eat prison food for the rest of my life
yeah i find it completely believable that an ultimately innocent person, especially someone rather child-like as Arbuckle seemingly was, might on impulse further downplay his overall involvement in the situation in an attempt to dispel hurtful and harmful rumors, but then once the situation escalates to the point where they have to testify under oath, they feel the need to or even want to be completely honest with the courts
No disrespect meant, but Fatty Arbuckle sounds like a brand of steak sauce. "Fatty Arbuckle's Sweet Southern steak sauce"
Come and get your juicy Fatty Arbuckle sausages ✨️💀
He very much deserves the disrespect lol
I mean.....I'd buy that sauce.
I'd try it
A fatty Arbuckle also sounds like a crazy blunt
Im absolutely fine with simons content being quite long, especially casual crims. I like the detail and appreciate the effort that all of you guys put in.
Thanking the algorithm for showing me Simon's channels. Haven't had to pass a day of data entry in silence for about 7 months now and haven't scratched the surface of his content list.
Even once you catch up, the release pace is still high enough to fill a lot of time😁
Agreed fellow data entry human
@@Stonegolem6 Between him and Ian McCollum, my YT notifications never stop
Same thing happened to me, I discovered Casual Criminalist when there were like six videos and got to working on the backlog of like 12 channels during work to drown out the noise at the office. The great thing is, as I'm not actually paying attention to the entire video, they have replay value, too! I don't know what it is about Simon's voice but it just becomes a soothing drone in the background very easily. And then every now and then he suddenly yells "AM I RIGHT, PETER?"
@@trishapellis Can't count the amount of times I've zoned out and gotten into a good flow only for Simon to randomly yell out something and I get a nice little jumpscare
Really enjoyed this one. I don’t come for gruesome serial killers. I come for interesting stories, good writing, and batshit tangents.
That was one of the most complete and balanced relations of the "Fatty" Arbuckle story I've ever heard. Well done!
I always enjoy it when Danny writes for Cas Crim. I can relax knowing that i won't feel like crap for a few hours after I've finished listening
I might put that on my CV if you don't mind.
"I strive to make you not feel like crap for a few hours after you've finished listening."
@@DannySalterhahahahaha go for it :p
Thanks for doing this. I've recently been a fan of Roscoe's surviving films. Maybe you should do the other early Hollywood scandal, the murder of William Desmond Taylor, officially unsolved
Ooooh, yes!
Absolutely, its a fascinating story!
yeah I saw Buzzfeed Unsolved tackle this case back in the day, & it was fascinating, with a noir background
And a good proportion of the cast is the same, Mabel Normand was a good friend of both of them
Yaaassss
More like these please
I cannot emotionally handle any more cases with child victims
This one is dark, but it's not disturbing
I'm so here for it.
I still can't believe he turned down a more light hearted heist script because people want blood. I think plenty of people would want more ethical true crime content! I.e. The kind that doesn't profit off of people's deaths!
"Let's All Go To The Lobby" was a real intermission cartoon. I'm old enough to remember them. "The Ten Commandments" and "Ben Hur" are so long, even the videos have an intermission.
As for giving Simon an alternate nickname: I refuse to indulge in such tomfoolery. Let Specs McFuzzface alone, I say!
It always amuses me when I see (rarely) a reaction to Gone With the Wind or Ben Hur. Even the VODs have an "Intermission " screen that stays up for like 10 minutes. Seeing reactors go blank with a WTF look on their faces is a hoot.
It was really touching to see little snippets of Arbuckle performing throughout the video. Great editing and script!
it's funny how bizarre the release dates are through youtube.. based off of Simon's comment, this was recorded close to 2yrs ago. Still very enjoyable episode
It's far more likely that Simon just doesn't remember what year it is 😂😂😂
It was from the Simpsons, but it actually comes from drive-in movie theaters. Believe it or not, the little cartoon really worked well for concession sales and it gave the perfect break between back to back movies in many cases.
Switzerland still has intermissions. I like them. Stretch your legs, have a piss, a smoke and grab some snacks. Hate sitting that long, fat guys need to move a bit from time to time and get the weight off the sore parts. Transfer pain from ass to feet...
"1921 was exactly 100 years ago" holy shit, how far ahead of time are you recording these things?? 😂
This was a tragic, beautifully executed episode. No human monsters, yet engrossing and and pulls at one's heart strings.
The "Let's All Go to the Lobby" was played at theaters here in the US. Drive-ins had something a little different, where they'd tout the snacks available at the concession between the two movies they'd show. If you've seen "Kung Pow: Enter the Fist", it has an intermission that spoofs these films.
Old films are flammable, Simon. Since they are made from nitrate. And considering how old they may be, I'm guessing those reels are chemically unstable and even more easily to be set ablaze
New Zealand has a special film archive because that was usually the end of distribution and someone didn’t both sending them back instead stashing them in a cave where they unlike many in Hollywood proper were preserved some films thought lost forever were found to much rejoicing
The studio is also would destroy a lot of their films back in the day. I remember I was taking a film class in college and the film was incomplete because the studio that had made it had burned one of the reals.
@@sniperboom1202 I once read that the director of "Algiers" (1938) tried to *destroy **_every copy of the film his film was based on._* This was long before common home movie formats, of course. But what a day, to think that the 1937 Pepe Le Moco movie would have been intentionally destroyed like the lost library of Alexandria.
What happened to Arbuckle seems like a tragedy, I can’t help but think that he was just railroaded. And Simon, please let Danny write more of the long videos on your channels. “Murder rampage of lusty naked space vixens on cocaine” is nearly poetry. Also, the talk of “public lice” at 1:14:03 made me laugh.
Surprisingly high viewer retention? Hardly. The delivery of these and the way it is written. Thats why. Top job
I knew the name but had no idea how tragic his story was. I sincerely hope that wildly crooked DA got disbarred!! I've never heard of such a clear and obvious case of being railroaded than this one.. just incredible that one unbelievably vindictive woman made the poor man go through 3 trials before he was acquitted!!
Excellent job Simon and team.. a fantastic video!! 😊
3:40 - Chapter 1 - Fatty makes a dramatic entrance
9:30 - Chapter 2 - Fatty goes to hollywood
22:50 - Chapter 3 - Fatty's big party
32:20 - Chapter 4 - Fatty's spot of bother
46:45 - Chapter 5 - Fatty's day out in court
1:06:00 - Chapter 6 - Fatty's downhill ride
1:16:20 - Chapter 7 - B movie double feature , the curse of fatty arbuckle
Still doing good work! Thanks again!
Sounds like the Fatty Arbuckle cinematography
This was posted right after I got out of school - thank you for you incredible effort Danny, Simon, and Jen!
Wow, thank you Danny, what a great script! I have heard of this story in all the wort lying details, and it never seemed true. So I am really happy to have the full story at last, and I do hope someone is willing to be cast for this movie about Mr. Arbuckle soon. It will be a really great film.
Thanks for this story. I've always thought of him as a horrible person because all other videos told a different story..or not the whole story. It was as if he got away with something.
I don't know if anyone else here in the comments has mentioned this, but the reason Arbuckle was wearing PJ's and a gown was most likely because it was the most comfortable attire after having his buttocks burned by acid. Nothing untoward there. I think he was a man in the wrong place at the wrong time. That was his crime.
My mother used to tell me that Arbuckle was vilified unfairly and that she really loved his films when she was a young girl.
I completely forgot about that part. That totally makes sense.
Sept 5th 1921, exactly 100 years ago..... how long ago was this recorded?
This is what I came to the comments to see
I really like a lot of your work, Simon. I like the 13-18 min videos (I like to watch these when I eat breakfast or waiting in the doctor’s office, or whenever.) because I don’t have to commit a huge chunk of time.
Sometimes I see your YT shorts. Those are great because I feel like I am learning something small in the middle of an anxiety triggered doom scroll.
I also like to listen to longer forms of content when I have a long drive or cleaning the house.
Please do NOT change the way you do things to conform to YT specific stupidity. You are doing great just like this.
Poo poo pee pee
I once held my pee too long at the movie theaters and I was *almost* incapable of peeing afterwards in the restroom. At some point it causes a blockage and you may need a catheter (luckily I didn't) to relieve it. Also, don't hold it in too much as it can cause long term incontinence.
I had a problem as a child, where I'd always be scared something interesting was going to happen when I left to go to the bathroom and therefore held it in for way too long most of the time. Thankfully I never developed anything serious, but I easily could have.
It's actually not a blockage, but there's a much more interesting reason behind why an overfilled bladder is difficult to empty.
See the bladder is covered in smooth muscle, and like all muscle, its ability to generate force is limited the more it's stretched.
So when the bladder is way fuller than it should be, it's nearly incapable of contracting to push the urine out.
Yup! Holding ypur pee too long weakens your tendons, and will cause incontinence issues in old age.
@@DILFDylF That's fascinating, thanks!
@@widowrumstrypze9705 *scared noises*
Chris Farley was set to Play Arbuckle in a biopic but died before it could happen. I feel in an alternative universe it would become one of Farleys greatest pictures
Update : Simon mentioned this at the end
57:04 MY MIND TOTALLY HEARD “AM I RIGHT, PETER?!” All my Simon shows melding together❤😂😂😂
Something I take away from this case is that there’s absolutely a way to have compassion for the alleged victims of sex crimes, while also giving alleged assailants benefit of the doubt, and I think people forget that. It’s disturbing for people to use one or two cases where the “victim” lied (or in this case, had someone lying in their name) to discredit everyone who comes forward, ignorant of the trauma they deal with and the immense stigma attached. While I do wonder if “cancel culture” (inasmuch as it exists) has gone too far sometimes, it’s frustrating for people’s response when someone comes forward years later to be like, “why didn’t you come forward sooner?” but when someone *does* come forward in a “reasonable” amount of time, they find some other reason to defame their character, similar to what was done to Virginia Rappe, except she wasn’t alive to bear the brunt of it, unlike many others. “Innocent until proven guilty” should apply to all parties involved.
COMPLETELY agreed! I’m a firm advocate of believing victims when they come forward, but not immediately prosecuting whoever they accuse. Great example for why is the author from The Lovely Bones. She was brutally raped, and it was proven forensically via a rape kit. The man she was POSITIVE was the guy that did it… wasn’t. He was innocent, and spent decades in jail till a journalist followed up on the story, found some conflicts in it, and asked for a DNA test. They didn’t match.
The author hadn’t meant it in a malicious way, and she apologized profusely, but that doesn’t change the fact an innocent man was raped and abused in prison because he was accused of a crime he didn’t commit.
It’s part of why I think victims of SA should sign an affidavit when they come forward. It puts WEIGHT behind their accusation, and protects people from being falsely accused. I say that as a victim of SA, who wants to help other victims be taken seriously.
@@HavianElaholy cow. That's horrible.
I had heard the name Fatty Arbuckle in passing, but never knew how much tragedy was behind it. And as far as a feature film about his life, I would add it's not just health issues killing of potential actors that could fill his shoes, but that these actors seem to have similar tragic backstories. No curse there other than reality.
Kudos to Danny for this one, top notch
I would like to see either a Casual Criminalist or into the darkness about the death of George Reeves. Thanks to the old Nick at Night reruns, he formed my ideal of Superman. His “suicide” is the stuff of Hollywood legends.
Chris Farley was the exact person I thought of when Arbuckle and his style of physical comedy were first described. You see a dumpy, overweight guy and expect fat man fall down routines, only to receive a curveball from their surprising athleticism and agility. Hearing that list of actors who have been attached to Arbuckle's forever stalled biopic really speaks to how much respect some people still had for him even after all these years; if only it ever came to pass.
Ohhhhh So glad to see this. The lesson of what happened to this man needs to be learned today.
Is that lesson not to be a corpulent sexual predator fuck? Because that’s the only lesson here
Thank you for taking some time to give a little grace to Virginia Rappe. She so often gets lost in this story. She was a talented, ambitious woman who wanted so much more from life than she was given and was willing to work for it. When I look at her, I see a very modern woman. Had she been born in 1991 instead of 1891, she today would likely be a social media star, selling her clothing and jewelry designs under her own brand. She was born too early and died with so much more left to do.
At the time of his death, the estate he left to his third wife, Addie McPhail, was worth less than $2000. (the equivalent to about $48,000 in today's value) THAT was the financial effect that the three trials and being blacklisted had on him.
He had just signed a contract with Warner Brothers for his first feature in years, went out to celebrate with friends, and died in his sleep that night. Aged 46.
Jen,you did a really good job with this one. Maude was a golddigger. Poor Roscoe. Three trials is three too Man cause it's obvious what happened to her bladder. I loved silent movies as a kid. Thank you Danny and Simon. For bringing up some sweet nostalgia.
You can’t claim Maude was a gold digger without more proof.
She was married several times. However, it should be noted that Maude was an alcoholic so perhaps each husband just had enough with her drinking.
JEN you need to put a warning whenever Simon does something hilariously odd like slapping his own head 😂😂
I spat coffee everywhere and laughed so hard I'm pretty sure parts of my lungs have now got coffee fluid in them. ☕☠️😂
I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve woken up my hubz or the animals cracking up in the middle of the night watching one or another of Simon’s channels. 🤣🤣
Her reoccurring use of the wandering buttery fly for tangents makes me laugh, pure joy. It's perfect.
@@lesliesteele3926 She is hands down the greatest editor. 😄
@@BohoStitcher Same. Some random funny things just happen out of the blue, it's just so unexpected that it completely catches you off guard. Fricken love this channel makes such depressing content wholesome 👌💕
Simon: “I’m not the most athletic.”
Also Simon: “swims 5 laps underwater, w/o coming up for air.”😂
Incredible episode, fascinating and beautifully written, well done Danny!
"To have a slash" I learned a new phrase today. Love it
TMI, but I have IBS (which causes severe stomach pain, but isn’t dangerous like a burst bladder) and when your gut is in agony, you feel the need to get rid of clothes restricting your torso. The pain also made me get overheated and sweaty. I was never drunk when this happened, so I shut myself away in the bathroom and shed whatever clothing made me uncomfortable. But I could imagine being so drunk or being drunk and in so much pain (I imagine a ruptured bladder would make my IBS seem like a holiday; what a horrible way to go) that your thinking becomes impaired and all you know is you have to ease the pain. They make so much of her taking off her clothes, but I think it makes complete sense. If it happened. There’s so much story changing, who knows.
I couldn't understand why y'all decided to do Roscoe Arbuckle but now I'm really glad you did. This was so well done and so well handled. Great job. Please never change the channel it's absolutely perfect the way it is 💙
I think the first time I heard this story was on My Favorite Murder and I remember just finding it so sad. A poor woman died and a poor man was completely railroaded and thrown under the bus for literally nothing more than hosting a party. I also appreciate that the first two trials Arbuckle didn't allow his defence team to dig up dirt on Virginia even though it would've been easily done in those days. It wasn't until the final trial that the dirt was brought up and by that point it's not surprising they were doing whatever they could to end the farce of a trial.
I wonder if perhaps he and Virginia had gone to his room to have sex, started to get a little frisky before she was overcome with the pains and he panicked. He didn't say what they were getting up to originally because he didn't think it was necessary and only changed his story later once he knew she had died.
My own theory exactly. I think he was a good man who got the short straw.
Also, that one lying witch of a witness. Wow.
Hi Simon, you should do a video about Gypsy Rose Blanchard. It's a crazy story about Munchousen by proxy. It's funny to think about what you might do to get away. The first I felt bad for the murderer. Crazy story and would make a great Casual Criminalist. Keep doing what you're doing. You're Awesome.
Yes! My work laptop is broken! Thank you for saving my day Simon, Danny and Jen!
I am happy to learn more about this sad true story. It is also a good point to mention the great friendship with Buster Keaton. It is the main positive side of this tragic story.
You guys were holding this for two years!?
I had to replay that bit! I have questions!
Sometimes Simons voice is too soothing. Got halfway thru and realized i hadnt taken in a single word.
Due to most movies requiring 2 reels, intermissions were needed with most movies, and during 50’s, drive-in’s were really popular,. The “Let’s all go to the lobby” song was played during the changing of reels. If I remember they were a hamburger, soda in a plastic cup, and a box of popcorn.
I know Chitty Chitty Bang Bang had an intermission. But I thought that was from the 60s
Goddammit Simon stop saying ‘hey siri’ so much - we have a really similar voice and it ALWAYS sets my iPhone off 😂 13:08
Does your Siri at least answer Simon’s questions?? Because Simon’s Siri is both a dick and stupid!!!🤣
You should do an episode on bob crane and his scandalous life and death. I think Simon would find it interesting
After rewatching this, I can’t help but think that a lot of the elements of this scandal was reminiscent of the Johnny depp amber heard fiasco but back in when she first made allegations. It’s interesting how toxic tabloids can be when they are chasing stories
Loved this one, probably my favourite casual criminalist episode yet
This sounds shockingly like the Johnny Depp v Amber Heard trial. Everyone that knew him was confused bc the behavior was so out of character, ex-wife showed up to say no effin way, far too much drugs and alcohol, rich people eccentricity...
This was probably my favourite non serial killer episode.
Thanks!
I usually skip episodes that don't involve murder but i am very glad i didn't skip this one
Always entertaining. Thank you Simon.
This was a great episode thank you Danny you did a fantastic job!!!
Many of your videos leave me feeling vindictive, but this one has left me feeling sad and melancholic. Bravo
This really reminds me of the Hall-Mills murders. Same newspaper creating an absolute circus, lying and unreliable witnesses, and some utterly ridiculous courtroom shenanigans. Hope you do a video about that story sometime! 🤞🏻
I love that these videos are an hour or more. I really take my time to listen to them on a Sunday or something like that.
Also, Simon's rants are very welcoming to me because of my ADHD, so I can just keep listening because the story will be interrupted anyway.
The story of Roscoe Arbuckle is absolutely tragic! He is considered one of the first victims of the media cashing in on the popularity of young Hollywood.
It was not for nothing that he was everybody's darling for a long time (like Mable Normand, who was not only a great actress, but also brought very, very good people into the business).
All who knew Roscoe Urbuckle appreciated him and his gentleness. He was considered a well trusted person by everyone.
The poor sick woman who died should have had a better rest. But the trouble was the alleged witness with her story of pomposity and false testimony. And the first prosecutor who was campaigning for a post and thought he could make a mark with it. And, of course, the media that made fabulous amounts of money with the "scandals" of the young, but already extremely popular Hollywood. But at the end of the 3rd trial there was a very unusual demonstration by the court and jury of Arbuckle's clear innocence!
Tragically, on the day of his rehabilitation, Rocoe dies of a heart attack! Finally he could have been in front of the camera again..! And than... RIP! 😢
Like Charlie Chaplin, his friend Buster Keaton was clearly committed to Roscoe.
There is a book by film historian Steve Massa that I recommend. Steve is incredibly well read and a real expert. He is also one of the hosts of the "Silent Comedy Watch Party". Always great and with live music from a super great film pianist and on RUclips. We recommend.
Roscoe Arbuckle was a master of his craft. In front of and behind the camera. His films are beautiful and such a kind of great fun! His face! His actions!
Unbelievable how agile he was. And when someone addressed him by his character's name, he always said, "My name is Roscoe."
(I've loved silent comedy internationally for decades and I really know quite a bit about it. Roscoe is the least known so far, due to this PR disaster.😢😢
He deserves much, much more recognition like Harold Lloyd and Lloyd Hamilton! (Chaplin said Lloyd Hamilton is the one only one from whom he can still learn something.)
Stan Laurel and Oliver Harding are of course never to be forgotten. But what would all this be without the films of Mabel, Roscoe and Buster Keaton (!).
Honor his memory!
Dear Simon, I really appreciate your show. But there really are better photos of Roscoe Arbuckle. What is initially used is always taken from the clickbaite, "appropriately". Best regards to beautiful, golden Prague!
I am going to guess you’re male.
@@Tsumami__I guess you are a woman?
I'm a man, but I'm bi and have been described as gender fluid... But what does that say? In the end, we should stick to facts no matter what we are.
Unfortunately, Simon doesn't remember it; what he reported about Arbuckle at Biographics. That, for example, 2 of the alleged witnesses later admitted under oath that they had been coerced by that lousy first prosecutor. Otherwise, under threat of being an accomplice or accomplice in a crime.
There were 3 processes and with each one it became clearer that there was behinde a bad game going on.
Don't worry: I despise every rapist and in my family were and are all feminists. For sure!
But as a lawyer: where was the intention here to kill someone?
Look at the medical records of the dead. She was very ill and the cold bath her friends put her in was also devastating to her health.
It's no wonder she wasn't feeling well (by the way, the famous Tycho Brahe is the most famous victim of a ruptured bladder. He hadn't wanted to leave a royal banquet when he needed to urinate.). She had come to the party sick and must have had symptoms days beforehand. And these are the medical records (the things that were described about her at the third trial by the defense was an attempt to be on the safe side. It had long been hoped that this would not be necessary.).
It's all really tragic. But what I am or what you are has nothing to do with it.
Thank you Simon and Co! I've heard about this story for decades.
One, was very much against Arbuckle. That he got away with brutality.
One, that it was actually the illegal bath tub hooch. I tend to think that's what happened. Lots of people got very ill or died from the unregulated booze. The use of the bathtub gin caused Rappe's initial illness. She was never able to get proper help because illegal drink was very taboo for ladies.
What happened to Arbuckle and Rappe was a by-product of Prohibition.
Ughh Krista your sooooooo old
Fatty was very talented. The films that still survive show him very talented and very coordinated for his size.
This was an incredible story! Thanks Danny, Simon, and Jen!!
The mgm studio fire was in 1965 when an electrical short ignited the old style film which is highly flammable. It destroyed over 30% of MGMs silent films and other historical content but because they were stored in a series of concrete bunkers the loss was not nearly as bad as it could have been.
The United States Library of Congress has said that 75% of silent films are now lost, which is kind of insane and deeply tragic.
Incredibly well done. This is one of the top CC episodes IMO
I found an old documentary of silent film actresses who knew Arbuckle and said he was the gentlest person.
This was a realy interesting video. I hope we get more of this.
People didn't know about gestational diabetes back then. Sad. My great grandmother had a 16 pounder naturally. He died not long after. She never had another pregnancy and she didn't have a long either.
Always love a Danny script on any channel. Another great video fact boi
30:20 No, if you have a super full bladder, it can and does spasm (clamp shut) so that you can't pee regardless of how you'd try (you'd need medical help to get cathetered)...all the while urine continues to accumulate. Bladder rupture and kidney failure are very real.
I have a scary amount of decluttering to do, so naturally, I turn to my favourite podcast. Love you guys!! 🥰
Good to see the name Danny Salter on a Whistler project again.
I remember reading about Fatty Arbuckle about this case years ago. Great job presenting it. I read the coke bottle story
IMO this was the best episode in a while. Written matter-of-factly and fewer segues than usual. 😉Well done Simon, Danny and Jennifer.
This one will be less harsh on simpn. Thabks Danny!🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤
58:36 how the hell did Brady not _immediately_ get disbarred for bribing someone to give false witness? Hell, it's a crime so he should have been on put on trial himself.
Thank you for making this video and for making the truth known. I'd always thought he was a guilty monster thanks to lazy articles that just parroted the nonsense in the newspapers. I never thought I'd feel sorry for the man but I do and I feel badly for thinking him guilty all this time. He seemed like a nice man who didn't deserve what happened to him. Especially touching was the fact that he didn't want a character assassination done on Virginia. I hope they both rest in peace xxx
Shut up Heather
“Slap-Head Whistler” killed me🤣 I have a friend with that name who is not bald but it doesn’t matter he shall forever be known as Slap-Head Whistler😂 thank you Simon🙏🏽
The reason most old movies are lost is because, until around 1950, almost all movie film was made of the same stuff as the propellant charge in ammunition. And with heat, it decays, releasing nitric acid, which makes it even more unstable, and eventually it just spontaneously combusts if not refrigerated. And film warehouses back in the day weren't air-conditioned, so ...
The reason we have so many movies from the 1930s and 40s is that the people in charge of storing them learned from the earlier fires and kept them cool and printed them onto non-explody stock in the '50s. Also, fun fact: the same stuff was used as a replacement for ivory in billiard balls ... the surface layers of which would sometimes explode and a particularly energetic break shot.
@@DeliveryMcGee Yeah London After Midnight got destroyed in one of the fires.
That is all even if some Judge somewhere demands you burn them for copyright infringement. Though ironically enough, Nosferatu is one we eventually rediscovered.
Right in time for lunch 😁 thank you Simon and team!
This would make for a good season of American Crime Story.
Wow really enjoyed this episode. Thank you
When you're GENETICALLY fat (born that way), your body develops to carry that weight as naturally as any fit person carries theirs. I was born large too and everyone who ever picked me up was astounded that I even weighed more than I appeared to. But aside from health problems I developed much later, I was always fast and light on my feet. I'd win any game where running was the most important aspect, and could always lift more than other kids too.
Sometimes I have to stop watching your shows, but I always come back to finish. I especially had to break up the John Wayne Gacy. I needed an intermission or two for that.
Pretty sure you can rupture your bladder by holding your pee, I was threatened with a catheter in hospital because I was struggling to use a bedpan in a full ward with people walking into my cubicle without ‘knocking’ every 2 minutes because that could happen, it was really painful but they brought an ultrasound to check that it was full because medication or something could mess with your brain, and it was like almost a litre and they were very concerned, I was in tears it was so painful, just streaming down my face, would not recommend. They got me a Sara steady as a last resort and could take me to the bathroom so I didn’t need the catheter. Best pee ever lol
Your writers are great and your reading is good enough that your videos should always be long form.
Here is George Michael with his new song “hairless whistler”
I like the idea of Arbuckle's ghost making it so that the industry that once didn't want him on screen can never again have his story on screen. A perfect revenge.
I heard about this star in (of all things!) a young adult novel book with a story set in 1920s America, didn't know about the story behind him though, but did learn about the Hays Code and it was RESTRICTIVE. Like, absurdly so. They clearly wanted to appear to the wider public like they were keeping a tight grip on things by going overboard.
Also, the story about drunken bongos on the roof made me laugh. Sometimes reality can be so hilarious.
Pretty sure at that time, Hollywood people were still kinda looked down upon (certainly by the government, at least, even if the public had started warming up to them), so I think that would be the main reason why the prosecutor would be so adamant about going after Arbuckle, especially since Arbuckle was also so rich at the time.He probably wanted to make an example of him.
Matt is full of crap