Hi all, the name is Chris! I edited this (VERY dark) episode. Hope you all enjoyed it! I'm a LOOOONG time fan of Simon's many projects but this is my first time working with him. I look forward to helping bring more of these videos to you guys! Thanks to Simon for the opportunity, and thanks to Matt for the brilliant, and respectful script.
I was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder at 13.. Im now 35. Been in therapy most of my life. What people don't know about bpd is that its usually diagnosed along with ptsd. Some psychologists believe it should fall under cptsd as Most people who suffer from bpd have been through significant trauma in childhood.. usually SA starting at a young age. If you're suffering from bpd, please know there is hope. I am proof that if you put the hard work in, you can live a life outside of emptiness and feeling worthless. You are loved and wanted. No one is better than anyone else. We are all equals here. You can make it through this day... and many, many more. We are strong! You are strong! I believe in you!
I was misdiagnosed with BPD, like many people who grow up AFAB. I actually have autism, ADHD, and C-PTSD from CA and other events in my life. This misdiagnosis is SUPER common because a lot of 'experts' still only diagnose based on the symptoms of a male child, while neurodivergence tends to display very differently in girls, let alone adult women. All of this to say that I know what living with the diagnosis is like. I was once laughed out of the ER because the POS 'doctor' saw 'BPD' in my file, and therefore I could only be a hysterical troublemaker who craved attention. I was heavily suicidal at that point and wanted to be admitted for my own safety, and he laughed me out of the room. I've always had trust issues with doctors, but damn if that incident didn't make the top three. There was also the time that a doctor accused me of faking my seizures because I didn't have a lot of the classic symptoms (aside from, y'know, losing full consciousness and *seizing* for several minutes on end), while later hiding the EEG results that had come in from the hospital that literally stated 'patient has this type of epilepsy, located here in the brain, put on this medication ASAP'. I think I'd classify that one as even worse, because she actually had me doubting my sanity. I managed to film one of my seizures, and when I showed her the footage, all she said I was a really good actor. Sorry about the traumadump, I just saw the comment about 'professionals' refusing to see people with BPD and I got a bit of a war flashback. People with BPD have such a high instance of being abused, indeed usually CSA. These are some of the people who need help the most and yet not only does regular society tend to shun them but the very 'professionals' who are supposed to help them side-eye them more often than not as well. This probably won't mean much coming from an internet stranger, but I'm proud of and genuinely happy for you. It takes a lot of strength to not only seek therapy but to stick with it for such a long time, to work on yourself non-stop. I hope life continues to improve for you
@@mygoldenwitch I have a similar mh diagnosis story to you- I think bpd is often thrown around as the modern day hysteria for problem 'women' Im so glad you finally got the correct diagnosies
I had my own experience with this maniac. I was traveling on between Texas and Indiana, and I stopped at a rest stop in Arkansas. Two men, one of them who was Tommy Lynn Sells, were standing by entrance door to the Men's room, and were watching me as I was in my car in the parking lot. Even though there were two of them, I got the impression that Sells was the main guy. I decided to wait until they were gone, but even then I did not use the restroom because I wasn't convinced they had actually driven away. Sure enough, when I got back onto the expressway, their were in a truck on the side of the road, waiting for me. The pulled onto the expressway and followed me as I sped up (hoping to get pulled over by the police, but no luck) and slowed down. Eventually I had to stop for gas, so I went a very crowded gas station, and they did, too. Sells was watching me with a smug look on his face as I filled up my tank, and was still there after I made use of the restroom. With my gas tank full and my bladder empty, I decided that I was in this for the long run. I didn't want them to figure out where I was headed, so my plan was to lose them in Memphis, Tennessee. I chose a random exit, and at the very last second I pulled off the highway at a high rate of speed. I was in a sport car and they were in a truck and they couldn't make the exit in such a short time. I drove around the city for a while, then I got back onto a different expressway and drove until I was groggy. I got a motel and told the desk clerk that I needed a room in the back, figuring that I didn't want him to be able to see my car in case he drove by. The next time I saw his face was when he was on the news. I was a little shook, up right after the event, but when I saw him on television it was much more upsetting, like it somehow became real. I thought I'd feel better after he was executed, but somehow that just made me more anxious.
Another great episode, but Simon, there were two legends in this story who I think you'd love. Krystal Surles didn't just get help, and give a description really quickly despite her trauma, she also went to court and looked this guy in the eye to make sure he went to jail. She made it to court thanks to another legend, Kristie Reed, who was just 14 and shared her own traumatic survivor story to help Krystal gather the courage to get to court. Two really brave young women.
Lisa McVey is another legend who survived this monster! And she didn't do it by running away or living through the wounds. She did it by tricking him into thinking she wanted to be with him. She tells her story in an episode of "I Survived" and it's awesome!
Congratulations to them both much respect for standing up and putting their lives back together.Even though I am fortunate to avoid this monster I had one of my own. I know how difficult this is, but at least for myself it was all for the best, as I couldn't prevent my trauma, my only option was The best revenge being a good life!
Good way of wording it! Sympathy is a sign of compassion, but compassion can and should only extend so far. A bad background is an explanation rather than an excuse!
I cried actual tears when I came to the part about Krystal and suddenly realized how I was familiar with this story. Years ago, I watched on TV as that brave girl stoicly testify in court. This tiny, fragile-looking young teen strode up to the stand fearlessly in front of the man who had tried to kill her. Harold Dow, who had followed the story for a decade, cried himself after interviewing her. I recommend watching those scenes if you can find them.
Thank you for your work, Matt! Always appreciate your hard work! If I may make a request, I would still LOVE to see you cover the Johnny Gosch case! Your writing voice, I feel, would do this young boy justice, with how well you convey emotion through your writing!
Seeing Simon being so shocked about BPD is baffling to me lol. I have BPD and you can definitely go into remission with proper treatment. I think people with cluster bs can be held accountable for their actions, because it is possible to get treatment & you are still aware of your actions to an extent.
Agree. I have a very cherished Co worker with BPD who works hard at her coping Strategies. Sure she has her "phases", but heck, who doesn't? She informs us, as soon as she realizes it, and we build "a fence" around her as long as it takes for her to pick herself up, so the Bosses never have to know. She always makes up for it, when one of us needs something, while she has a good phase. I have immense respect - I can only immagine how exhausting this Management of Symptome is.
It really is a great Team, and I get as much as I give, just different things.. We complement each other with our strengths and shortcomings. Communication is key.
Yeah I feel like I’ve been hearing about BPD all the time on American and UK social media. It might just not be on Simons radar. Maybe a “graphics” or similar video on it (after he learns more about it bc those few sentences were 😬😬😬).
6:35 - Chapter 1 - House keeping 12:10 - Chapter 2 - Nina's kid 24:45 - Chapter 3 - Riding my thumb 31:05 - Chapter 4 - Life is a highway 40:55 - Chapter 5 - The INA massacre 49:30 - Chapter 6 - Back to jail then to prison 54:00 - Chapter 7 - Life on the outside 57:30 - Chapter 8 - House keeping part 2 1:00:25 - Chapter 9 - On the road again 1:03:10 - Chapter 10 - Kaylene & cristal 1:08:50 - Chapter 11 - Confessions, court dates & closure PS: Can you do episodes on french serial killers like Henri Désiré Landru , Joseph Vacher, Marcel Barbeault; Pierre Bodein; Emile Dubois...
Simon, I promise manipulation is a misconception & stereotype of those with BPD! It's a lot to do with childhood trauma creating ingrained personality/relationship issues, like abandonment issues, feeling like you can't trust others because you've had close people break that trust before, suicidal ideation, harmful coping techniques like self harm & addiction. I was diagnosed at 17 after countless attempts & not being able to trust mental health professionals, feeling like I had to distance myself from family because I was afraid of hurting them. It's an everyday struggle but we are normal people who care deeply about others, but just wish our mind isn't always against us ❤ Since being diagnosed, I've met some truly amazing, beautiful & successful people with BPD
Yeah. Manipulation is common with BPD as a desperate tactic to keep close or to drive them away, depending on how the disorder manifests, but it isn't necessary. Hell, it's common with *most* mental illnesses that directly affect someone's ability to form and maintain relationships. Strangely, people with *autism* can sometimes become skilled manipulators because the rules of social interaction have to be consciously learned. This means that someone on the spectrum who's focused on that aspect of humanity can be *scarily* good at figuring out what buttons to press to get certain reactions. How that knowledge is used depends on personal choice. I'm saying this as someone on the spectrum, by the way. I'm no slick conman, but I *did* become particularly good at bullshitting college essays by figuring out what the professor wanted to hear.
@@MikeB-lk7mz You can look up the criteria & there's no mention of manipulation. The checklist/critera list me & my psychatritist filled out definitely had no mention of manipulation.
@@brigidtheirish Haha, yeah, I get that (also autistic here). I think my comment is more about the misconception that people with BPD will harm others using manipulation (people use Amber Heard as an example). Those with BPD can be manipulative or abusers but it isn't because they have BPD. It's because they are manipulative or abusers. Having BPD or Autism doesn't cause us to be those things or have those traits 💗
I don't know where Simon's friend is getting his information on BPD, but as someone who was diagnosed with BPD when I was 15. It is characterized by extremely insecure attachment in relationships (romantic, family, and friends), fear of abandonment, trouble regulating emotions, and self-harm. It DOES NOT make you a manipulative monster.
Agreed, although some people with BPD go to extremes, including being very manipulative in order to not be abandoned. Or even feel any possible rejection from their preferred person.
It does not make you a manipulative monster, but it can make you do/say some things, that are manipulative to either hold on to something or to explain something.
With the death penalty I've argued with people who were like "How can it be cheaper to keep them alive when a bullet costs so little?" And I'm like "Y'know, due process and what not." And they're like "Who needs due process?" And its like "Well, if you're going to kill a guy you should probably take time to make sure he's guilty of what he's accused of..."
And even then some innocent people get charged. See this story with the mother charged and gaoled for her son’s murder. Imagine if she’d got the death penalty for that and we only could out later.
So many people on Death Row have been exonerated via DNA, etc. It's not rare, either. I think the maths come out to 1 in 10. Jacob Geller did an excellent video on the difficulty with the topic, and on the imprecise nature of doling out the penalty itself. (Huge failure rate.) It's tricky.
To me life with no chance of release is a worse punishment than death. I'd rather they made the places, such people get locked up absolutely awful places to be. Very small cells, 23hrs locked up with no contact with anyone at all even when let out for exercise they aren't spoken to they get nothing, not a thing in their cells but food and drinks and that just enough to keep them alive and healthy enough but boring and repetitive. Basically make it all but solitary confinement as that's illegal but in every way make their lives as intolerable and horrible as possible. To me that knocks the death penalty out of the park in terms of punishment.
A friend of mine almost died of meningitis when we were 22. Theres like 5 types some we can vaccinate against,( one?) Others we can't. She went into work and got sent home because she was just behaving really weird, boss wasn't sure if she was sick or drunk, she went to a friend's house, fell asleep on their couch and then they couldn't wake her up. She spent 2 months icu and then 6 months in intensive rehab and still had side effects to this day 10 years later. Meningitis is no joke
Luckely she survived. When I was in my late teens 5 people in the city I lived in died from it in over a period of 3 months. People got scared and worried anytime anyone got a fever. People got offered a free vaccine. Everyone I knew took it.
I used to be a ward clerk in a dialysis unit. We got a young lad, just 20 years old, in total renal failure. He'd contracted meningitis and had spent several weeks in ICU, at death's door. He'd somehow survived and all his organs were now working fine, except for both his kidneys. He was with us for about a year, when he got a transplant. That was nearly 20 years ago, and I still think about him sometimes. I hope he's doing okay.
Yeah my mums friend had meningitis years back and was in hospital for ages. She had entire dreadlocks fall out, we didn't even know that could happen, it was terrifying, she got so, so so sick.
The woman giving birth while being killed and the baby being beaten to death too really upset me. I’ve just had a baby 3 months ago and suffering horribly with anxiety of something bad happening to them, I had to switch the episode off there so but I just wanted to thank you for covering these stories the way you do. Showing real emotion and giving the victims voices.
oh you believed that? I just thought that was one of Sells' embellishments for the story that we were warned about in the beginning. I definitely *hoped* it was untrue, because it's one of the most graphic scenes I've ever heard in a true crime tale. what kind of a monster induces a childbirth & then attacks the parent AND the newborn? beyond sickening 🫥🫥
Simon, dear, sweet, innocent Simon ... I was a "latch-key kid" when I was seven. Rode my bike to school alone, rode home alone. Mom had left for work by the time I had to leave for school, and often went out after work, so I made my own dinner, read books, did my homework, and went to bed without seeing her. I lived on hard-boiled eggs (I was allowed to use the stove for that), pb&j, and bologna & cheese sandwiches that I made myself. The benefit to this was I could eat whatever I could find, AND stay up late to watch Cop Dramas Like Quincy, M.E. and Starsky & Hutch! You could always pick us out of a crowd of kids, because we were the ones with a key attached to a string that hung around our necks so we wouldn't lose it. Hence the term "latch-key." Honestly, it was kind of great.
For some children it is fine, but others need much more supervision than others. I babysat my little brother many times when I was 12 and he was 5. My parents owned their own businesses and worked A LOT. It was fine for us... but some kids are wild.
Yeah, it's not unusual now, because we're used to single parent households and both parents working. I keep forgetting how young Simon is! When we were latch-keying as kids in the 80's, it was a relatively recent phenomenon. The previous generation grew up when stay-at-home moms were the norm, and not the exception.
@@MatthewMarcumI was a good girl ... except for the time I was alone and category 1 hurricane blew over our house in Palm Beach Gardens, FL. It might have been only a tropical storm by then. All I know is I crouched down behind the sofa until it got really quiet, then went outside and looked up at the blue circle surrounded by dark clouds. It was a trip! Even the birds started chirping again and the lizards came out of the honeysuckle bushes. There were some palm tree bark on the ground and whatnot, but not a big deal. Then the other wall came closer and the wind and rain started up again, so I ran in the house. I don't want to say that it was fun ... but it was FUN!! Stupid fun, but fun. And I didn't win any stupid prizes.
We were latch key kids, my siblings and I starting in 1971. It was a different time and we had a retired neighbor who kept an eye for us. We survived all sorts of high risk behaviors, like playing outside and drinking from a hose.🙂
As a mental health professional - Borderline Personality Disorder can be overwhelming for all involved but there are ways to cope and live a full life. Good boundaries are key and finding a treatment method that works for the person.
Yeah, the poor woman. What was she supposed to do? She didn't have a legal leg to stand on. She could've called CPS, but that likely would've done shit all or, possibly worse, dumped all seven hellions in her lap.
Listen here Simon and Chris...Iive in Missouri I live 30 minutes from Springfield, Missouri and I've never heard of this guy but to know he easily could've crossed paths with my family is mortifying. Jesus....
Simon is so good at casual crim. Its shocking that people can do this and these always make me sad but its interesting and a amazing way to give the victims a voice
Bpd doesn't make someone a monster. I have BPD and while it makes life hard for those we care about, it's infinitely worse for the one who is diagnosed with the condition because we are self aware and cannot stop the suffering at times
Knew a girl with BPD back in the day. Yeah shit sounds miserable. I put up with SO much shit from her, but I knew from what she told me about it that she was aware of it, knew it was wrong, but COULDN'T help but act that way sometimes.
@@pauldaugherty1819 its hard to accept myself but I have accepted that I cannot change the diagnosis. I can adjust my life to work around the adhd and bpd and figure it out from there.
And know that on the flip side, you do not have to coddle to someone with BPD if it is too draining for you! Yes, we are aware of our actions at most times, and yes we should take accountability. But if it's too draining for you, it is OK to put yourself first so long as you are not putting others down in the process.@@osric729
I really like Matt's scripts because he definitely follows the whole "more CSI, less saw" thing. Some of the other writers get too graphic but Matt is always on point.
Love the longer episodes Simon. It makes my day when I see a new long episode of the casual criminalist. You make listening to true crime stories somehow more palatable and more digestible. I love the nervous laugh! Haha 🤭🫣😬
Know what? A warm and fuzzy show would be interesting. I want to see Simon light up as he hears unexpected happy endings or about incredible rescue stories.
It’s pretty hard with crime, but the heists are at least usually a bit of levity. I recommend the Gardner Museum heist. Still unsolved and with some very interesting characters.
I honestly agree. I’ve been thinking of starting a newsletter called “The Good News”, because there’s so much darkness and corruption, people need to see the light that exists in the world.
Simon has 15 other youtube channels that are not about crime some with over 1m subs each e.g. BioGraphics, Brain Blaze, Decoding the Unknown, GeoGraphics, MegaProjects, TopTenz.....
Hey again y’all! Sending a big thank you to Simon, Jen, and Matt for another excellent video. I’d like to request Robert Lee Yates, the grocery bag killer.
My niece has Borderline Personality Disorder, it is nice to have a diagnosis that fits. I hope now that we have the correct tools we can help her pivot her life a bit.
I did DBT when I was 17 and got diagnosed with BPD. It was very very difficult at first and at several times I wanted to quit, but it helped me loads more the CBT based therapies did! Keep encouraging your niece to advocate for herself and that there is no shame in her diagnosis! Other things that helped me a lot was discovering yoga & getting a job I enjoyed. Having a job taught me how to better react to my environment in an appropriate way.
@alicesbakingaddiction she is in rehab right now, 90 days. I wish it was longer, but with her, I wish many things. Ah, that reminds me, I need to get her the wicca books she wanted.
As much as we enjoy these videos, Simon seems to take these harder and harder. I can't imagine what he leaves out, let alone the writers have to read through too. Thank you for all your work on these, not sure what else to say.
Hey, when are we getting Sam Little? He's barely covered despite being the highest confirmed killer in the U.S. he is also the only serial killer i truly believe looks unassuming (tied with Shipman). He looks like the dude you'd sit next to a bus and end up in a decent conversation with despite yourself. Truly the epitome of the terror of banality. If we could get Liam or another deep diver to give us a long episode on it I'd greatly enjoy it.
I think it’s because there ARE monsters that deserve to die, for me personally it’s just that I don’t trust the government to make that call. Evidence why as seen above in your comment!
I've watched interviews they did with him in prison. He truly gave off a disturbing and creepy ass vibe. Reminded me of an extremely dangerous man-child. There's something missing, or off, that you can sense the minute he starts talking
What's off is that there's no emotion in the man. There is no connection between him and the emotions that people are supposed to have. It sounds horrible, but he has lost his humanity, and it's visible to us.
I've been researching this case a lot lately. If you watch Crystal's interview there's some inconsistencies. Crystal didn't get out of bed because she heard Katie. Crystal didn't move because she was hoping he wouldn't see her. After Katie's throat was slit he saw Crystal and went to the bed. She was covering her throat, she begged him not to hurt her. He ordered her to move her hands and slit her throat. It tore her vocal chords and she couldn't talk for a while. She held Katie while she died, and she still sat in court and testified. Crystal is an absolute goddess and deserves all of the love and respect in the world. Her interviews are heartbreaking.
There's a great story that is told on the show "I Survived" about a 17yo girl who escaped Sells. Her name is Lisa McVey. The poor girl had an horrendous home life, it was just horrible to hear. She had actually decided to kill herself on the night she crossed paths with Sells. Her experience that night that he abducted her changed her mind. I'd recommend that everyone read or watch her story!
I have borderline personality disorder, it affects everyone differently! It's hard to live with but it's manageable with enough therapy and we aren't necessarily dangerous or awful people. Just as an example my biggest struggle with it is emotional intensity and keeping relationships
Felt like dropping a comment as many people mentioning their BPD experiences. I have BPD and I am painfully aware of my tendency to WANT to manipulate people to make sure they don't leave me. But BECAUSE I am aware of it, I don't do it - I have had to learn how to keep my mouth shut when I feel I'm about to say something stupid and cruel. It's a huge effort but that's something I respect about other people with mental health issues who have worked hard to make the best of life: it's massively hard to fight these tendencies and yeah, it's why these serial killers can't say they didn’t know what they were doing. Thousands of people have these diagnosis and they give their all to be wonderful empathetic people rather than using illness as an excuse to commit foul crimes
Thank you European Factboy! Love the show, keep up the great work!! Check out the Fritz Klenner case from Sommerfield, North Carolina. Would make a great episode, would love to see an in depth analysis
Great Bad one Whistle boy! Lookg forward to the next one you get! You do a great job, love the rants! Makes them better to listen to and they also get me more interested in the stories!!
This channel is an emotional rollercoaster. The ends are usually satisfying but getting to that point is gut wrenching. Big thanks to the writers who do the research and find a way to put it all on paper, the editor who has to make it presentable and Simon for the presentation. I couldn't do it. Just hearing the stories after all that work is done is infuriating, some I haven't been able to get to the end of because of that. Thanks for sharing these disgusting works of art.
I really hope you cover what happened to Julie Rae in this... I studied the blood spatter analyst in her case when getting my degree in forensic science. Same dude also destroyed David Camm's life.
56:51 for the record, spatter has some value. Transfer can be very helpful in tying things together. It's just easy to misinterpret and the reproducibility is low. The problem is that physics are complicated and normal people hate maths. It's most useful in the biological analysis. This particular spatter analyst had no training outside of his time as a cop. He had no grasp of the scientific method. Englert did so much to damage this discipline of forensic science it's embarrassing to the profession.
Simon shifting his opinion on the death penalty is a classic example of repetition effect. If the next fact boi series was on miscarriages of justice, and there was episode after episode of innocent people jailed and executed, he'd probably slowly shift back. We all do it and seeing it in action is fascinating.
Well he keeps on clarifying that where he believes it's justified is in the case of monsters where it's absolutely clear that they did it. What happens in real life, sadly, is that absolute certainty can be hard to obtain. Simon is reading a script written by someone else who did all the research and put a bunch of information together, and he's not always aware that there just isn't a whole lot of evidence against some of these people. Just because Kevin or Danny tells us the story of a person who got murdered in a video about a specific murderer doesn't mean that it can be proven in a courtroom beyond a shadow of a doubt that this particular murderer killed this particular victim.
@@brigidtheirish He's actually covered a couple. There was one story where he talked about a murderer who managed to get an innocent man convicted of one of his crimes and hanged. They, rightly, listed that man as one of the murderer's victims. There's also Melissa Lucio, who was accused of murdering her daughter despite strong evidence it was a tragic accident. She came VERY close to being executed several times, despite strong reasonable doubt in her case. I don't know. I've never had a loved one murdered. I seriously couldn't tell you whether I'd want the person responsible to die if that happened. There's also appeals, potential stays of execution, etc. Life without parole just feels like it'd close the book on things just as well.
@@Iris_1217 Oh, yeah, I remember that first one you mentioned. I haven't, either, but one of my favorite quotes from Batman: The Animated Series is "No such swift mercies for the likes of thee." Given what I've heard about life inside prison, especially those for violent offenders, life without parole sounds *perfect.*
@@brigidtheirish Oh yes, very much so. American prison is not pleasant, and for someone who commits violent acts against kids, especially SA? Yeah he'd not have a good time.
Ohh just finished another video of this channel😂 what amazing timing Simon. Always love to waste my limited lifespan watching your video's :) wether serial killer docu's, brain blaze or war o graphics and side projects. Just wish i had more time to watch more 😅 you deserve every view and like you get! Not to forget ur sense of humor. Its great :) never change mate, greetz from Holland
Regarding Simon’s comments at 16min, I have to say as someone who lost his child last year to an unknown brain aneurysm, my wife and I are very paranoid anytime our other children get sick. He also had an unidentified case of Covid at the time so I think that is why we are so weary of sickness now. I always use to avoid the doctor but now I’m pretty quick to get issues identified. So I can categorically say that all that has messed me up and will probably continue to until my kids are older.
Since this channel has definitely covered 96 cases, it's time to get Simon to read a script based on one of the, statistically speaking, 4 corresponding death penalty cases where the victims were exonerated.
There was another, too. Can't recall the names but it was a UK based killer in the 1950s, with an innocent man (the husband of the victim) hanged for one of the murders.
This would be a great idea as I think Simon is growing a bias to where his original sensible side will give way & his mind will think death penalty = guilty. I've seen this happen with friends in the states who went from supporting the Innocence Project to outright hoping for immediate executions after the court to "make it quicker and cheaper."
I was a latchkey kid from 3rd grade on. We got off school at 3:20 PM and it took about 15 minutes to walk home. Mom was a teacher who couldn't leave until 4:00 PM at the earliest. Before 3rd grade, an older neighbor girl walked us home (I had 2 older brothers) and stayed until Mom got home. At age 8, my parents decided we were responsible enough to get home, change clothes, grab a snack which Mom set out in the morning, and care for ourselves until she got home. It helped that this was the early 60's so Mom was the only working mother in the neighborhood. We knew who to call or go to if we needed anything.
Posthumous conviction needs to be a thing for people like this guy and Pedro Lopez. These cases that are considered closed but lacking verdicts because of the suspect's death need proper closure. And very well played by Jen and the editing staff as always.
IMO It would be very difficult to definitively declare someone guilty without a full trial, which would be impossible for someone who is already deceased. Cleared by exception seems to fit the bill when it comes to saying, " we know he did it, but we cant charge him." That is a type of closure that I'm sure many families are happy to receive.
@@MatthewMarcumagreed. It could also lead to PD to just saying “he did it. Case closed” while not properly investigating, the a real perpetrator goes free.
The problem with posthumous conviction is that countries like the USA guarantee the accused right to defend him- or herself. Can't do that if the accused is dead. It's the same reason why witness statements aren't allowed if the witness is dead because the opposition can't cross-examine a dead person.
I forgot the details of this case, and I’m an hour late, sorry Matt and Simon! Love all of your effort Simon, Matt, and Jen! Simon’s shock to family annihilates, the fact that he’s shocked is wholesome in a morbid way. Fabienne’s a legend!!
Good luck to you! I can't understand how hard it is, but you can do it. Just a thought, but you might like a musician named Amigo the Devil; he has great empathy, and especially a song called Different Any More. I think *he* understands a lot of things people have to cope with somehow.
@@DavidVoxDemaah yes, the “have you tried not to” technique. The brain is an organ like any other, so if you have kidney failure, you also believe the same? “You have it because you believe you have it”? Until you or someone close to you gets ill (mentally and/or physically) you won’t probably believe it. Too bad your worldview is this tiny.
Simon, I’d suggest doing a bit more research about BPD, it’s very stigmatised, people with BPD are more likely to hurt themselves than anyone around them. We’re trying to stop this stigma not make it worse by having people say we’re “manipulative” or “crazy”.
Im sorry @MatthewMarcum I faded out and wasnt present for all the details. I dont know how long it took to write but you were immersed in this. Thank you for sparing us all the horror. Glad that he's dead. Fabienne - what a legend stabbing him 23 times, liver, kidneys and testicle - that MUST have hurt. I notice Jen's edits more in the bad ones, distancing from the script I think. "Breaking the Cycle" - Amazing edit Jen. Sometimes I wonder why I listen. It puts things in perspective though doesnt it? I'm never really having a bad day. It could be so much worse.
As someone with Is borderline personality disorder. it is incredibly frustrating the way this condition is stigmatized and vilainized like it has been here . There are 9 different main characteristics of BPD and you only have to fit 4 of these to qualify for a diagnosis. In my opinion it is incredibly irresponsible to paint everyone with a certain condition as manipulative and negative. plenty of "those people" Are just normal people trying to live our lives.
@@alicesgonementalI feel in this day and age professionals often use it for a catch-all when they cbf figuring out the actual issue, particularly with women or AFAB individuals, it suck. Happened to me and 2 of my friends, I’ve been diagnosed thankfully, and ACCURATELY with bipolar disorder, my other friend has dissociative PTSD, and my best friend still has the BPD label but they also just won't tell her what they're labelling her as entirely and its infuriating to watch. I fucking hate the whole “it not the label that matters, it's the treatment that matters ☺️😌🥰✨” like, no, no no, if someone asks, they should have the right to know exactly what the hell is wrong with them. I know very few people with that diagnosis that turned out to actually have it rather than it being autism, c-ptsd, bipolar etc
I was as surprised as Simon was at the inclusion of Winnemucca in the video, and equally as surprised that he nailed the pronunciation. Well done, fact boi.
Watched a war o graphic. Checked out an into the shadows. Got educated with an og bb episode. Ending the day with casual criminalist and some video games. Thanks for continuing to help facilitate the growing wrinkles Simon.
4:35: 🔪 Tommy Lynn Sells, also known as the coast to coast killer, was a cold and uncaring serial killer who murdered families across the United States for over two decades. 13:00: 😢 Tommy's mother, Nina, had a complicated relationship with her children and their fathers, leading to Tommy being sent to live with his aunt Bonnie, who provided him with a stable and loving home. 18:49: 😢 Tommy's childhood was filled with neglect, abuse, and traumatic experiences. 24:54: 🔪 Tommy hitchhikes across the country, commits his first murder, and has a volatile relationship with his mother. 33:07: 😱 Tommy continues his pattern of violence and murder, targeting a family and taking credit for another killing years later. 36:43: 😱 Tommy commits a series of murders and violent crimes across multiple states, targeting women and children. 42:38: 😱 A family of four is brutally murdered in their home, and the case remains unsolved for years until a man named Tommy confesses to the crime. 48:26: 🔪 Tommy Lynn Sells commits a series of violent crimes, including murder, while experiencing drug addiction and mental health disorders. 55:03: 😱 Tommy continues his killing spree, targeting a young single mother and her son, but is thwarted by the mother's self-defense skills. 1:00:49: 💔 Tommy kills multiple victims, including a 13-year-old girl, in various locations over several years. 1:06:48: ⚖ Tommy Lynn Sells, a serial killer, confesses to multiple murders and is sentenced to death. 1:12:19: 💀 Tommy Lynn Sells was executed by lethal injection in Texas after his request to postpone the death penalty was denied. Recap by Tammy AI
15:38 both my nanna and my husband survived meningitis! My nanna sadly died of cancer many years later, but my husband has had meningitis TWICE and is still alive and kicking! I think meningitis is one of the few infections I didn’t get as a kid (measles before I was old enough for my mmr, so my immune system was a little screwed, I even had such awful “pink eye” as a kid I had to stay in bed for a week with horrific nausea and headaches with it!). Very grateful for modern medicine! Also, I have had sepsis with a kidney infection so bad my kidney swelled up and made my lung feel smaller, so I was on oxygen for a few days and some hefty antibiotics for a week or two! Luckily I was already on a higher intensity hospital ward with severe malnutrition and a feeding tube, so the staff were incredibly quick and helpful! I can’t even imagine the pain of meningitis though, migraines make me want to drill a hole in my skull sometimes!
I love that when you said cryptids there was an image of Gritty! For those who don’t know, Gritty is the demented mascot for the Philadelphia Flyers hockey team ❤
Well Simon... all I can really interject into the death penalty discussion is this question.... What would you think if Joel's mother, who was wrongfully convicted of her sons murder, would have been given the death penalty instead of prison time?
That was heavy. But, presented well and respectively in my opinion. Thanks Matt, Simon, and Jen if she stills edits these . If not then thank you editor.
I remember this case on TV once, when I was a child, my mom had it on, and they interviewed Crystal, it has haunted me ever since, to this very day I struggle to sleep if my throat is uncovered.
Hey there, Simon! Love your content, man. 👊 I've been a subscriber for a while now, and I've got a seriously intriguing suggestion for your next episode. Ever heard of Kermit Gosnell and the Mother's Day Massacre? 🤔 Now, I know you've got a knack for diving into some seriously dark and twisted criminal cases, and this one is an absolute goldmine for your channel. Kermit Gosnell was a real-life nightmare - an abortion doctor turned criminal who operated a house of horrors. His story is like something out of a thriller movie, and I can already see you uncovering all the gritty details. But here's the kicker: Gosnell didn't just stop at performing illegal abortions. He went full-on mad scientist mode with the Mother's Day Massacre - a sinister tale of human experimentation on vulnerable women. 🧪 This twisted case involves shocking violations of medical ethics, gruesome procedures, and a web of disturbing secrets that desperately need your signature investigative flair. Picture this: Your signature wit, the gripping storytelling style we all know and love, and a deep dive into the chilling depths of the Gosnell case. You've got the power to shed light on this dark chapter in history, exposing the truth and giving a voice to those who suffered. So, what do you say, Casual Criminalist? Your fans (myself included) are dying to see you unravel the mystery behind Kermit Gosnell and the Mother's Day Massacre. Trust me, this episode could be an absolute game-changer for your channel. Keep up the awesome work, and looking forward to seeing you tackle this chilling story! 💀🔍
I really do love how Simon has gone from being anti-death penalty to now firmly and enthusiastically pro-execution. It's such an interesting progression, a fascinating case study in real life character development.
I was a latchkey kid. First I went to my neighbours' to wait for one of my older siblings to pick me up, but by age 8-9 I was home alone for an hour or so until one of my siblings came home. This was during the 90s though, and nowadays kids stay at after-school clubs until they're 10-12 years old. (Sweden btw.)
Is that a legal thing or just a culture thing (USAmerican here). I was raised a similar way in the 2000s and it varies by state how old you have to be to be left alone without it being considered neglect nowadays but the general culture looks down on it a lot now.
@@francislyon81Nowadays it's also frowned upon to leave your kids home alone unless they're teenagers, but there isn't a law against it. A lot of the times Swedes are expected to use common sense instead of there being a law forcing us, which is how we handled Ms Rona (which didn't go super well but didn't go terribly either?). However, I'm sure that if someone called CPS because they saw a 6 year-old at home alone, the parents would get in trouble for neglect, especially if it's found to be a repeat offence.
I live in Arkansas, and this is the first time I can think of an episode of TCC covering someone who did anything in Arkansas... I wish there were none but it honestly doesn't surprise me.
Just imagine this: Joel's mother Julie could have gotten the death penalty for the murder of her son (had this happened in a state with capital punishment)
I love listening to this and having Simon go over the idioms used in the United States and find them either confusing or non-intuitive in their meaning... This time around, it's the concept of the latchkey kid.. The term was typically used for elementary school kids who were in possession of a house key to the family home. The youngest of this type of person that I ever knew about was around 8 years old but I think was often oriented towards 10 to 12-year-olds... Because in the United States, 12-year-olds is typically what's now considered the youngest age a kid can stay home alone in a lot of your jurisdictions... But back when the term was coined, it was when there was an uptick of moms that started going to work during the day like their husbands and being a latchkey kid was a solution for no one being home when you were done with school... So you would have your house key and would walk home and the whole idea being that you would let yourself into the house. It did lead to tighter parameters around the age at which you could leave a kid home alone it all that... I remember it pretty distinctly because I was that kid for a while but also because in my house, getting your house key was kind of like a rite of passage.
I was a Latchkey kid from the age of 8. The term came from us wearing a necklace with a key for home attached to it. I had to call my mom immediately when I got home, and since I did it for years, I still remember the number. Sometimes, she didn’t come home until after 6, but there was a family that live in the in same apartment building, and I went over there a lot.
Brave girl, Krystal. Making no attempts to stop the bleeding immediately was a gamble as she could have easily bled out, but had she attempted, Sells would have known she wasn't dead yet. Had she not survived to give a description, they never would have found Tommy before he fled.
Thank you so much for not going into the gruesome details. It's one of the many things I like about this podcast. As far as the death penalty goes, I believe some people, like this killer, deserve it. However, I hope that it will one day be abolished in the U.S. and everywhere else, as innocent people are convicted of murder. Imagine what would have happened if Julie Rae Harper had been given the death penalty for the murder of her child. The state would have killed an innocent woman who was in mourning. She cannot be given back the years that she lost in prison, but at least her future can be given back to her.
Hi all, the name is Chris! I edited this (VERY dark) episode. Hope you all enjoyed it! I'm a LOOOONG time fan of Simon's many projects but this is my first time working with him. I look forward to helping bring more of these videos to you guys! Thanks to Simon for the opportunity, and thanks to Matt for the brilliant, and respectful script.
Proud of you! I'm only 10 minutes in, but the editing is great ❤
thanks. the Bill Clinton from Arkansas part was hilarious.
Don’t you want Simon to get paid? Is it because he keeps you all locked in the basement?
I hope the basement is kind to you! Well done in your first of hopefully many projects
Top Work Chris. I really noticed
I was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder at 13.. Im now 35. Been in therapy most of my life. What people don't know about bpd is that its usually diagnosed along with ptsd. Some psychologists believe it should fall under cptsd as Most people who suffer from bpd have been through significant trauma in childhood.. usually SA starting at a young age.
If you're suffering from bpd, please know there is hope. I am proof that if you put the hard work in, you can live a life outside of emptiness and feeling worthless. You are loved and wanted. No one is better than anyone else. We are all equals here. You can make it through this day... and many, many more. We are strong! You are strong! I believe in you!
Yes! and bpd is so stigmatised and so many professionals refuse to see people with bpd as they are 'beyond help' it's disgusting
Thank you for sharing your story. I lived with the symptoms for 20 years before I was diagnosed and received a
ptsd diagnosis as well.
Tbh idk what symptoms count for BPD 😮 but hope ur doing well
I was misdiagnosed with BPD, like many people who grow up AFAB. I actually have autism, ADHD, and C-PTSD from CA and other events in my life. This misdiagnosis is SUPER common because a lot of 'experts' still only diagnose based on the symptoms of a male child, while neurodivergence tends to display very differently in girls, let alone adult women.
All of this to say that I know what living with the diagnosis is like. I was once laughed out of the ER because the POS 'doctor' saw 'BPD' in my file, and therefore I could only be a hysterical troublemaker who craved attention. I was heavily suicidal at that point and wanted to be admitted for my own safety, and he laughed me out of the room.
I've always had trust issues with doctors, but damn if that incident didn't make the top three. There was also the time that a doctor accused me of faking my seizures because I didn't have a lot of the classic symptoms (aside from, y'know, losing full consciousness and *seizing* for several minutes on end), while later hiding the EEG results that had come in from the hospital that literally stated 'patient has this type of epilepsy, located here in the brain, put on this medication ASAP'. I think I'd classify that one as even worse, because she actually had me doubting my sanity. I managed to film one of my seizures, and when I showed her the footage, all she said I was a really good actor.
Sorry about the traumadump, I just saw the comment about 'professionals' refusing to see people with BPD and I got a bit of a war flashback. People with BPD have such a high instance of being abused, indeed usually CSA. These are some of the people who need help the most and yet not only does regular society tend to shun them but the very 'professionals' who are supposed to help them side-eye them more often than not as well.
This probably won't mean much coming from an internet stranger, but I'm proud of and genuinely happy for you. It takes a lot of strength to not only seek therapy but to stick with it for such a long time, to work on yourself non-stop. I hope life continues to improve for you
@@mygoldenwitch I have a similar mh diagnosis story to you- I think bpd is often thrown around as the modern day hysteria for problem 'women' Im so glad you finally got the correct diagnosies
I had my own experience with this maniac. I was traveling on between Texas and Indiana, and I stopped at a rest stop in Arkansas. Two men, one of them who was Tommy Lynn Sells, were standing by entrance door to the Men's room, and were watching me as I was in my car in the parking lot. Even though there were two of them, I got the impression that Sells was the main guy. I decided to wait until they were gone, but even then I did not use the restroom because I wasn't convinced they had actually driven away. Sure enough, when I got back onto the expressway, their were in a truck on the side of the road, waiting for me. The pulled onto the expressway and followed me as I sped up (hoping to get pulled over by the police, but no luck) and slowed down. Eventually I had to stop for gas, so I went a very crowded gas station, and they did, too. Sells was watching me with a smug look on his face as I filled up my tank, and was still there after I made use of the restroom. With my gas tank full and my bladder empty, I decided that I was in this for the long run. I didn't want them to figure out where I was headed, so my plan was to lose them in Memphis, Tennessee. I chose a random exit, and at the very last second I pulled off the highway at a high rate of speed. I was in a sport car and they were in a truck and they couldn't make the exit in such a short time. I drove around the city for a while, then I got back onto a different expressway and drove until I was groggy. I got a motel and told the desk clerk that I needed a room in the back, figuring that I didn't want him to be able to see my car in case he drove by. The next time I saw his face was when he was on the news. I was a little shook, up right after the event, but when I saw him on television it was much more upsetting, like it somehow became real. I thought I'd feel better after he was executed, but somehow that just made me more anxious.
Damn
Wow, I'm so glad you're ok! All thanks to sharp instincts and quick thinking
Another great episode, but Simon, there were two legends in this story who I think you'd love. Krystal Surles didn't just get help, and give a description really quickly despite her trauma, she also went to court and looked this guy in the eye to make sure he went to jail. She made it to court thanks to another legend, Kristie Reed, who was just 14 and shared her own traumatic survivor story to help Krystal gather the courage to get to court. Two really brave young women.
Lisa McVey is another legend who survived this monster! And she didn't do it by running away or living through the wounds. She did it by tricking him into thinking she wanted to be with him. She tells her story in an episode of "I Survived" and it's awesome!
Congratulations to them both much respect for standing up and putting their lives back together.Even though I am fortunate to avoid this monster I had one of my own. I know how difficult this is, but at least for myself it was all for the best, as I couldn't prevent my trauma, my only option was The best revenge being a good life!
Don't worry Simon. Feeling very sorry for the kids they used to be, does not mean one sympathizes with the monsters they turned into.
Good way of wording it! Sympathy is a sign of compassion, but compassion can and should only extend so far. A bad background is an explanation rather than an excuse!
Yes!
That was very well said!
Bingo. Anything worth saving in people like this dies with their first victim.
Plus for this one horrid person there are thousands of people from similar backgrounds that didn't turn into serial killers...
I cried actual tears when I came to the part about Krystal and suddenly realized how I was familiar with this story. Years ago, I watched on TV as that brave girl stoicly testify in court. This tiny, fragile-looking young teen strode up to the stand fearlessly in front of the man who had tried to kill her. Harold Dow, who had followed the story for a decade, cried himself after interviewing her. I recommend watching those scenes if you can find them.
Even Sells' lawyer choked up. He couldn't even continue to question her. ruclips.net/video/cyNvjZ8xSwQ/видео.html
Hello again, everyone! It seems this episode made it through the production pipeline VERY quickly. As always, I hope you all enjoy!
Waiting for Highway of Tears. And the Gilgo Beach murders
That’s awesome. Way to go Jen!
You're awesome matt!
Thank you for your work, Matt! Always appreciate your hard work! If I may make a request, I would still LOVE to see you cover the Johnny Gosch case! Your writing voice, I feel, would do this young boy justice, with how well you convey emotion through your writing!
Sounds like less than two weeks, impressive turnaround. Curiois to hear about this one.
Seeing Simon being so shocked about BPD is baffling to me lol. I have BPD and you can definitely go into remission with proper treatment. I think people with cluster bs can be held accountable for their actions, because it is possible to get treatment & you are still aware of your actions to an extent.
Agree. I have a very cherished Co worker with BPD who works hard at her coping Strategies. Sure she has her "phases", but heck, who doesn't? She informs us, as soon as she realizes it, and we build "a fence" around her as long as it takes for her to pick herself up, so the Bosses never have to know. She always makes up for it, when one of us needs something, while she has a good phase. I have immense respect - I can only immagine how exhausting this Management of Symptome is.
@@i.b.640 y'all sound like very kind colleagues. Good for you for being sympathetic 🥺
It really is a great Team, and I get as much as I give, just different things.. We complement each other with our strengths and shortcomings. Communication is key.
Yeah I feel like I’ve been hearing about BPD all the time on American and UK social media. It might just not be on Simons radar. Maybe a “graphics” or similar video on it (after he learns more about it bc those few sentences were 😬😬😬).
@@221b-l3twho the heck are you 😂
6:35 - Chapter 1 - House keeping
12:10 - Chapter 2 - Nina's kid
24:45 - Chapter 3 - Riding my thumb
31:05 - Chapter 4 - Life is a highway
40:55 - Chapter 5 - The INA massacre
49:30 - Chapter 6 - Back to jail then to prison
54:00 - Chapter 7 - Life on the outside
57:30 - Chapter 8 - House keeping part 2
1:00:25 - Chapter 9 - On the road again
1:03:10 - Chapter 10 - Kaylene & cristal
1:08:50 - Chapter 11 - Confessions, court dates & closure
PS: Can you do episodes on french serial killers like Henri Désiré Landru , Joseph Vacher, Marcel Barbeault; Pierre Bodein; Emile Dubois...
@31:05 I WANNA RIDE IT ALL NIGHT LONG!!!
@@phantom0456 IF YOURE GOING MY WAY
Couldn't resist mate
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Being from Rolla, Missouri the hair style of a mullet is truly the most disgusting thing around.
@@TheRecluseJanitorI WANNA DRIVE IT ALL NIGHT LONG! UH YEAH!
Please never stop the tangents. I always laugh at your stories and it is always a relief from some of these really heavy and dark episodes
Simon, I promise manipulation is a misconception & stereotype of those with BPD! It's a lot to do with childhood trauma creating ingrained personality/relationship issues, like abandonment issues, feeling like you can't trust others because you've had close people break that trust before, suicidal ideation, harmful coping techniques like self harm & addiction. I was diagnosed at 17 after countless attempts & not being able to trust mental health professionals, feeling like I had to distance myself from family because I was afraid of hurting them. It's an everyday struggle but we are normal people who care deeply about others, but just wish our mind isn't always against us ❤
Since being diagnosed, I've met some truly amazing, beautiful & successful people with BPD
Good for u man. More Power to You!
Yeah. Manipulation is common with BPD as a desperate tactic to keep close or to drive them away, depending on how the disorder manifests, but it isn't necessary. Hell, it's common with *most* mental illnesses that directly affect someone's ability to form and maintain relationships. Strangely, people with *autism* can sometimes become skilled manipulators because the rules of social interaction have to be consciously learned. This means that someone on the spectrum who's focused on that aspect of humanity can be *scarily* good at figuring out what buttons to press to get certain reactions. How that knowledge is used depends on personal choice.
I'm saying this as someone on the spectrum, by the way. I'm no slick conman, but I *did* become particularly good at bullshitting college essays by figuring out what the professor wanted to hear.
It's literally one of the criteria for diagnosis
@@MikeB-lk7mz You can look up the criteria & there's no mention of manipulation. The checklist/critera list me & my psychatritist filled out definitely had no mention of manipulation.
@@brigidtheirish Haha, yeah, I get that (also autistic here). I think my comment is more about the misconception that people with BPD will harm others using manipulation (people use Amber Heard as an example). Those with BPD can be manipulative or abusers but it isn't because they have BPD. It's because they are manipulative or abusers. Having BPD or Autism doesn't cause us to be those things or have those traits 💗
I don't know where Simon's friend is getting his information on BPD, but as someone who was diagnosed with BPD when I was 15. It is characterized by extremely insecure attachment in relationships (romantic, family, and friends), fear of abandonment, trouble regulating emotions, and self-harm. It DOES NOT make you a manipulative monster.
Agreed, although some people with BPD go to extremes, including being very manipulative in order to not be abandoned. Or even feel any possible rejection from their preferred person.
In the nineties BPD was the Name for narcissism. Maybe his doctor was really old?
It does not make you a manipulative monster, but it can make you do/say some things, that are manipulative to either hold on to something or to explain something.
This. Thank you.
This is odd because they are technically two different disorders, though very similar@@i.b.640
With the death penalty I've argued with people who were like "How can it be cheaper to keep them alive when a bullet costs so little?" And I'm like "Y'know, due process and what not." And they're like "Who needs due process?" And its like "Well, if you're going to kill a guy you should probably take time to make sure he's guilty of what he's accused of..."
And even then some innocent people get charged. See this story with the mother charged and gaoled for her son’s murder. Imagine if she’d got the death penalty for that and we only could out later.
Yeah. Folks who say that need to look up the case of Dr. Sam Sheppard and all the other cases where someone was wrongfully convicted of murder.
So many people on Death Row have been exonerated via DNA, etc. It's not rare, either. I think the maths come out to 1 in 10. Jacob Geller did an excellent video on the difficulty with the topic, and on the imprecise nature of doling out the penalty itself. (Huge failure rate.) It's tricky.
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens Even if it was rare, once is too often. An act of Congress can't bring someone back from the dead.
To me life with no chance of release is a worse punishment than death. I'd rather they made the places, such people get locked up absolutely awful places to be. Very small cells, 23hrs locked up with no contact with anyone at all even when let out for exercise they aren't spoken to they get nothing, not a thing in their cells but food and drinks and that just enough to keep them alive and healthy enough but boring and repetitive. Basically make it all but solitary confinement as that's illegal but in every way make their lives as intolerable and horrible as possible. To me that knocks the death penalty out of the park in terms of punishment.
imagine having a mother so horrible you'd rather live with a man who abuses you like that
A friend of mine almost died of meningitis when we were 22. Theres like 5 types some we can vaccinate against,( one?) Others we can't. She went into work and got sent home because she was just behaving really weird, boss wasn't sure if she was sick or drunk, she went to a friend's house, fell asleep on their couch and then they couldn't wake her up. She spent 2 months icu and then 6 months in intensive rehab and still had side effects to this day 10 years later. Meningitis is no joke
Luckely she survived. When I was in my late teens 5 people in the city I lived in died from it in over a period of 3 months. People got scared and worried anytime anyone got a fever. People got offered a free vaccine. Everyone I knew took it.
Yeah I had a family member contract viral meningitis and they were never the same after.
I used to be a ward clerk in a dialysis unit. We got a young lad, just 20 years old, in total renal failure. He'd contracted meningitis and had spent several weeks in ICU, at death's door. He'd somehow survived and all his organs were now working fine, except for both his kidneys. He was with us for about a year, when he got a transplant. That was nearly 20 years ago, and I still think about him sometimes. I hope he's doing okay.
Ppl don't realize that all the bacterial meningiti we can't make a vaccine for. Because they are bacterial
Yeah my mums friend had meningitis years back and was in hospital for ages. She had entire dreadlocks fall out, we didn't even know that could happen, it was terrifying, she got so, so so sick.
The woman giving birth while being killed and the baby being beaten to death too really upset me. I’ve just had a baby 3 months ago and suffering horribly with anxiety of something bad happening to them, I had to switch the episode off there so but I just wanted to thank you for covering these stories the way you do. Showing real emotion and giving the victims voices.
oh you believed that? I just thought that was one of Sells' embellishments for the story that we were warned about in the beginning. I definitely *hoped* it was untrue, because it's one of the most graphic scenes I've ever heard in a true crime tale. what kind of a monster induces a childbirth & then attacks the parent AND the newborn? beyond sickening 🫥🫥
Simon, dear, sweet, innocent Simon ... I was a "latch-key kid" when I was seven. Rode my bike to school alone, rode home alone. Mom had left for work by the time I had to leave for school, and often went out after work, so I made my own dinner, read books, did my homework, and went to bed without seeing her. I lived on hard-boiled eggs (I was allowed to use the stove for that), pb&j, and bologna & cheese sandwiches that I made myself. The benefit to this was I could eat whatever I could find, AND stay up late to watch Cop Dramas Like Quincy, M.E. and Starsky & Hutch! You could always pick us out of a crowd of kids, because we were the ones with a key attached to a string that hung around our necks so we wouldn't lose it. Hence the term "latch-key." Honestly, it was kind of great.
For some children it is fine, but others need much more supervision than others. I babysat my little brother many times when I was 12 and he was 5. My parents owned their own businesses and worked A LOT. It was fine for us... but some kids are wild.
Yeah, it's not unusual now, because we're used to single parent households and both parents working. I keep forgetting how young Simon is!
When we were latch-keying as kids in the 80's, it was a relatively recent phenomenon. The previous generation grew up when stay-at-home moms were the norm, and not the exception.
@@tarajhYep, except I was doing it in 1975-77 ... plenty of single moms around then too, I guess.
@@MatthewMarcumI was a good girl ... except for the time I was alone and category 1 hurricane blew over our house in Palm Beach Gardens, FL. It might have been only a tropical storm by then.
All I know is I crouched down behind the sofa until it got really quiet, then went outside and looked up at the blue circle surrounded by dark clouds. It was a trip! Even the birds started chirping again and the lizards came out of the honeysuckle bushes. There were some palm tree bark on the ground and whatnot, but not a big deal.
Then the other wall came closer and the wind and rain started up again, so I ran in the house. I don't want to say that it was fun ... but it was FUN!! Stupid fun, but fun. And I didn't win any stupid prizes.
We were latch key kids, my siblings and I starting in 1971. It was a different time and we had a retired neighbor who kept an eye for us. We survived all sorts of high risk behaviors, like playing outside and drinking from a hose.🙂
500k just around the corner 😮 well deserved Simon, Jen and all the writers in advance 🎉🎉
I can’t believe it’s not more!!!
Sorry and Chris 😮
As a mental health professional - Borderline Personality Disorder can be overwhelming for all involved but there are ways to cope and live a full life. Good boundaries are key and finding a treatment method that works for the person.
Damn. The aunt blaming herself brought tears to my eyes.
The woman blamed and charged for her son’s murder was the worst for me.
Yeah, the poor woman. What was she supposed to do? She didn't have a legal leg to stand on. She could've called CPS, but that likely would've done shit all or, possibly worse, dumped all seven hellions in her lap.
What a butterfly effect that had
Listen here Simon and Chris...Iive in Missouri I live 30 minutes from Springfield, Missouri and I've never heard of this guy but to know he easily could've crossed paths with my family is mortifying. Jesus....
Simon is so good at casual crim. Its shocking that people can do this and these always make me sad but its interesting and a amazing way to give the victims a voice
Bpd doesn't make someone a monster. I have BPD and while it makes life hard for those we care about, it's infinitely worse for the one who is diagnosed with the condition because we are self aware and cannot stop the suffering at times
Knew a girl with BPD back in the day. Yeah shit sounds miserable. I put up with SO much shit from her, but I knew from what she told me about it that she was aware of it, knew it was wrong, but COULDN'T help but act that way sometimes.
I hope u learn how pointless the title of bpd is and that in doing so you learn how to love yourself along the way🤗 good luck
@@pauldaugherty1819 its hard to accept myself but I have accepted that I cannot change the diagnosis. I can adjust my life to work around the adhd and bpd and figure it out from there.
And know that on the flip side, you do not have to coddle to someone with BPD if it is too draining for you! Yes, we are aware of our actions at most times, and yes we should take accountability. But if it's too draining for you, it is OK to put yourself first so long as you are not putting others down in the process.@@osric729
I had an ex with BPD, so I know it can't be easy for you
Hope you get all the support you can
I really like Matt's scripts because he definitely follows the whole "more CSI, less saw" thing. Some of the other writers get too graphic but Matt is always on point.
Love the longer episodes Simon. It makes my day when I see a new long episode of the casual criminalist. You make listening to true crime stories somehow more palatable and more digestible. I love the nervous laugh! Haha 🤭🫣😬
Know what? A warm and fuzzy show would be interesting. I want to see Simon light up as he hears unexpected happy endings or about incredible rescue stories.
It’s pretty hard with crime, but the heists are at least usually a bit of levity. I recommend the Gardner Museum heist. Still unsolved and with some very interesting characters.
I honestly agree. I’ve been thinking of starting a newsletter called “The Good News”, because there’s so much darkness and corruption, people need to see the light that exists in the world.
Simon has 15 other youtube channels that are not about crime some with over 1m subs each e.g. BioGraphics, Brain Blaze, Decoding the Unknown, GeoGraphics, MegaProjects, TopTenz.....
@@maverickstclare3756 I am aware. It would just be interesting to have a humanity highlight channel.
Hey again y’all! Sending a big thank you to Simon, Jen, and Matt for another excellent video. I’d like to request Robert Lee Yates, the grocery bag killer.
Sounds interesting
My niece has Borderline Personality Disorder, it is nice to have a diagnosis that fits. I hope now that we have the correct tools we can help her pivot her life a bit.
Best of luck to your niece. It’s an agonizingly painful and destabilizing disorder, but DBT and family education can make a world of difference.
I did DBT when I was 17 and got diagnosed with BPD. It was very very difficult at first and at several times I wanted to quit, but it helped me loads more the CBT based therapies did! Keep encouraging your niece to advocate for herself and that there is no shame in her diagnosis! Other things that helped me a lot was discovering yoga & getting a job I enjoyed. Having a job taught me how to better react to my environment in an appropriate way.
@alicesbakingaddiction she is in rehab right now, 90 days. I wish it was longer, but with her, I wish many things. Ah, that reminds me, I need to get her the wicca books she wanted.
As much as we enjoy these videos, Simon seems to take these harder and harder. I can't imagine what he leaves out, let alone the writers have to read through too. Thank you for all your work on these, not sure what else to say.
Let's go Fabienne! Absolutel legend indeed. This episode and is one of the hardest ones to sit through and I am latching on to this one good thing
Hey, when are we getting Sam Little? He's barely covered despite being the highest confirmed killer in the U.S. he is also the only serial killer i truly believe looks unassuming (tied with Shipman). He looks like the dude you'd sit next to a bus and end up in a decent conversation with despite yourself. Truly the epitome of the terror of banality. If we could get Liam or another deep diver to give us a long episode on it I'd greatly enjoy it.
Iwould 100% watch thst. 👍👍
Omg yes I've been hoping for David to cover Samuel Little for awhile now. I hope it's in the cards.
It goes against the narrative the serial killers are all caucasians so mainstream coverage doesn’t happen. That’s racism.
Simon, I have been a fan of your various channels for some time now. Please keep up all of the hard work. You and your entire team rock.
Let's go fact boy
Okkkkkk let’s goooooo
I thought that aswell 🤣
Shout out to their family 🎛
Let's gooooooooo
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58:00 wild to go from "its so horrible that they wrongly convicted a grieving mother for murder" to "yeah, death penalty is cool" in the next breath.
Yeah. Despite listening to all the Casual Criminalist episodes I still can’t approve of the death penalty. This is part of why.
I think it’s because there ARE monsters that deserve to die, for me personally it’s just that I don’t trust the government to make that call. Evidence why as seen above in your comment!
Worst part is that the district attorney who prosecuted that mother still refuses to admit he was wrong.
I've watched interviews they did with him in prison. He truly gave off a disturbing and creepy ass vibe. Reminded me of an extremely dangerous man-child. There's something missing, or off, that you can sense the minute he starts talking
I listened to each of those interviews and I agree. Its hard to put into words, but he just makes you want to go take a hot bath.
What's off is that there's no emotion in the man. There is no connection between him and the emotions that people are supposed to have.
It sounds horrible, but he has lost his humanity, and it's visible to us.
I've been researching this case a lot lately. If you watch Crystal's interview there's some inconsistencies. Crystal didn't get out of bed because she heard Katie. Crystal didn't move because she was hoping he wouldn't see her. After Katie's throat was slit he saw Crystal and went to the bed. She was covering her throat, she begged him not to hurt her. He ordered her to move her hands and slit her throat. It tore her vocal chords and she couldn't talk for a while. She held Katie while she died, and she still sat in court and testified. Crystal is an absolute goddess and deserves all of the love and respect in the world. Her interviews are heartbreaking.
There's a great story that is told on the show "I Survived" about a 17yo girl who escaped Sells. Her name is Lisa McVey. The poor girl had an horrendous home life, it was just horrible to hear. She had actually decided to kill herself on the night she crossed paths with Sells. Her experience that night that he abducted her changed her mind. I'd recommend that everyone read or watch her story!
I have borderline personality disorder, it affects everyone differently! It's hard to live with but it's manageable with enough therapy and we aren't necessarily dangerous or awful people. Just as an example my biggest struggle with it is emotional intensity and keeping relationships
Did...did we all just get a serial killer how-to in the first 2 minutes of the episode? XD Simon, how could you!? XD
Eh he has like 300 rules for criminals 😂😂
@@AdamOBrien29im still waiting for the manual to be published!!
@@Spicypoptart1 crime rates will sky rocket :o
I'm a full grown man. The pain that evil bastard caused those family's made me drop a few tears. It's just so dark.
Felt like dropping a comment as many people mentioning their BPD experiences. I have BPD and I am painfully aware of my tendency to WANT to manipulate people to make sure they don't leave me. But BECAUSE I am aware of it, I don't do it - I have had to learn how to keep my mouth shut when I feel I'm about to say something stupid and cruel. It's a huge effort but that's something I respect about other people with mental health issues who have worked hard to make the best of life: it's massively hard to fight these tendencies and yeah, it's why these serial killers can't say they didn’t know what they were doing. Thousands of people have these diagnosis and they give their all to be wonderful empathetic people rather than using illness as an excuse to commit foul crimes
THIS 100%
Thank you European Factboy! Love the show, keep up the great work!! Check out the Fritz Klenner case from Sommerfield, North Carolina. Would make a great episode, would love to see an in depth analysis
I love your channels, all 100 of them.
Edit: family annihilator is definitely a deathcore metal band name if I ever heard one 😆
Your username is going to trigger Simon for sure.
@@Eric_Hunt194 After the Pedro López episode I think my username name is pretty vanilla to him now lol.
Great Bad one Whistle boy! Lookg forward to the next one you get! You do a great job, love the rants! Makes them better to listen to and they also get me more interested in the stories!!
I also misread it! Lol
Hands down one of my most favourite shows!
This channel is an emotional rollercoaster. The ends are usually satisfying but getting to that point is gut wrenching. Big thanks to the writers who do the research and find a way to put it all on paper, the editor who has to make it presentable and Simon for the presentation. I couldn't do it. Just hearing the stories after all that work is done is infuriating, some I haven't been able to get to the end of because of that. Thanks for sharing these disgusting works of art.
I really hope you cover what happened to Julie Rae in this...
I studied the blood spatter analyst in her case when getting my degree in forensic science. Same dude also destroyed David Camm's life.
56:51 for the record, spatter has some value. Transfer can be very helpful in tying things together. It's just easy to misinterpret and the reproducibility is low. The problem is that physics are complicated and normal people hate maths. It's most useful in the biological analysis.
This particular spatter analyst had no training outside of his time as a cop. He had no grasp of the scientific method. Englert did so much to damage this discipline of forensic science it's embarrassing to the profession.
Wow. Another excellent episode. Thanks to all involved with getting this published.
What's the best food to make in 20 minutes?
Simon shifting his opinion on the death penalty is a classic example of repetition effect. If the next fact boi series was on miscarriages of justice, and there was episode after episode of innocent people jailed and executed, he'd probably slowly shift back. We all do it and seeing it in action is fascinating.
Well he keeps on clarifying that where he believes it's justified is in the case of monsters where it's absolutely clear that they did it. What happens in real life, sadly, is that absolute certainty can be hard to obtain. Simon is reading a script written by someone else who did all the research and put a bunch of information together, and he's not always aware that there just isn't a whole lot of evidence against some of these people. Just because Kevin or Danny tells us the story of a person who got murdered in a video about a specific murderer doesn't mean that it can be proven in a courtroom beyond a shadow of a doubt that this particular murderer killed this particular victim.
Yeah. There are some cases of wrongful conviction that I'd rather like to see handled here.
@@brigidtheirish He's actually covered a couple. There was one story where he talked about a murderer who managed to get an innocent man convicted of one of his crimes and hanged. They, rightly, listed that man as one of the murderer's victims.
There's also Melissa Lucio, who was accused of murdering her daughter despite strong evidence it was a tragic accident. She came VERY close to being executed several times, despite strong reasonable doubt in her case.
I don't know. I've never had a loved one murdered. I seriously couldn't tell you whether I'd want the person responsible to die if that happened. There's also appeals, potential stays of execution, etc. Life without parole just feels like it'd close the book on things just as well.
@@Iris_1217 Oh, yeah, I remember that first one you mentioned.
I haven't, either, but one of my favorite quotes from Batman: The Animated Series is "No such swift mercies for the likes of thee." Given what I've heard about life inside prison, especially those for violent offenders, life without parole sounds *perfect.*
@@brigidtheirish Oh yes, very much so. American prison is not pleasant, and for someone who commits violent acts against kids, especially SA? Yeah he'd not have a good time.
Love the sound quality, i dont have to jack the volume way up to watch and then get annoyed at the obnoxiously loud ads that pop up lol well done! 🍻
Ohh just finished another video of this channel😂 what amazing timing Simon. Always love to waste my limited lifespan watching your video's :) wether serial killer docu's, brain blaze or war o graphics and side projects.
Just wish i had more time to watch more 😅 you deserve every view and like you get!
Not to forget ur sense of humor. Its great :) never change mate, greetz from Holland
Regarding Simon’s comments at 16min, I have to say as someone who lost his child last year to an unknown brain aneurysm, my wife and I are very paranoid anytime our other children get sick. He also had an unidentified case of Covid at the time so I think that is why we are so weary of sickness now. I always use to avoid the doctor but now I’m pretty quick to get issues identified. So I can categorically say that all that has messed me up and will probably continue to until my kids are older.
Since this channel has definitely covered 96 cases, it's time to get Simon to read a script based on one of the, statistically speaking, 4 corresponding death penalty cases where the victims were exonerated.
What about the Confession Killer? I feel like that falls pretty solidly into this category
There was another, too. Can't recall the names but it was a UK based killer in the 1950s, with an innocent man (the husband of the victim) hanged for one of the murders.
How does a victim get exonerated? They’re innocent.
@@richardcranium3579I think the idea was "you're a victim if you were put on death row for a crime you didn't commit"
This would be a great idea as I think Simon is growing a bias to where his original sensible side will give way & his mind will think death penalty = guilty. I've seen this happen with friends in the states who went from supporting the Innocence Project to outright hoping for immediate executions after the court to "make it quicker and cheaper."
Thumbs up if you think we need simon to have a Warm and Fuzzies channel so we don't break him with the casual criminalist!
You'd better believe that I'd write for that channel.
@@MatthewMarcum if it Does happen you will have to give ALL the warm and fuzzy details!
I already edited an intro jingle, we're halfway there. Cmon Matt, get us a script!
@@Xtianzzyzx I would like to hear the jingle
Please please do this! There is enough cynisism in the World!
I was a latchkey kid from 3rd grade on. We got off school at 3:20 PM and it took about 15 minutes to walk home. Mom was a teacher who couldn't leave until 4:00 PM at the earliest. Before 3rd grade, an older neighbor girl walked us home (I had 2 older brothers) and stayed until Mom got home. At age 8, my parents decided we were responsible enough to get home, change clothes, grab a snack which Mom set out in the morning, and care for ourselves until she got home. It helped that this was the early 60's so Mom was the only working mother in the neighborhood. We knew who to call or go to if we needed anything.
Posthumous conviction needs to be a thing for people like this guy and Pedro Lopez. These cases that are considered closed but lacking verdicts because of the suspect's death need proper closure. And very well played by Jen and the editing staff as always.
IMO It would be very difficult to definitively declare someone guilty without a full trial, which would be impossible for someone who is already deceased. Cleared by exception seems to fit the bill when it comes to saying, " we know he did it, but we cant charge him." That is a type of closure that I'm sure many families are happy to receive.
@@MatthewMarcumagreed. It could also lead to PD to just saying “he did it. Case closed” while not properly investigating, the a real perpetrator goes free.
The problem with posthumous conviction is that countries like the USA guarantee the accused right to defend him- or herself. Can't do that if the accused is dead. It's the same reason why witness statements aren't allowed if the witness is dead because the opposition can't cross-examine a dead person.
We don't know that Lopez is dead
@@MikeB-lk7mz realistically, he’s dead. And for Simon’s sake, that’s canon. ;)
I forgot the details of this case, and I’m an hour late, sorry Matt and Simon!
Love all of your effort Simon, Matt, and Jen! Simon’s shock to family annihilates, the fact that he’s shocked is wholesome in a morbid way. Fabienne’s a legend!!
It's okay. We waited for you :)
I have Borderline Personality Disorder and it can overwhelm your life in every aspect, but with help it gets better
My little sister suffered from BPD too. Stay strong. Take good care of yourself. Stay around people who care about you. Best wishes to you.
Good luck to you! I can't understand how hard it is, but you can do it. Just a thought, but you might like a musician named Amigo the Devil; he has great empathy, and especially a song called Different Any More. I think *he* understands a lot of things people have to cope with somehow.
me too. treatment helped a lot
I have Borderline personality disorder, and there is so much stigma. I'm just a person trying to have a normal life.
You don't. You have it cause you believe you have it.
@@DavidVoxDemaah yes, the “have you tried not to” technique. The brain is an organ like any other, so if you have kidney failure, you also believe the same? “You have it because you believe you have it”?
Until you or someone close to you gets ill (mentally and/or physically) you won’t probably believe it. Too bad your worldview is this tiny.
obvious bait is obvious bait @@DavidVoxDem
@@DavidVoxDembpd is a trauma based disorder. People don’t decide to have it, the brain develops it as a reaction to trauma.
@@DavidVoxDem You are not their doctor, you cannot diagnose them.
Hello Simon and crew! I'm early today. Thank you so much for these episodes.
Simon, I’d suggest doing a bit more research about BPD, it’s very stigmatised, people with BPD are more likely to hurt themselves than anyone around them. We’re trying to stop this stigma not make it worse by having people say we’re “manipulative” or “crazy”.
I really like that all the sources are mentioned. Please keep that
This script did well to express the grotesque with plain language, much easier to digest
I fully approve of the Parks and Rec reference, editor!
Autographics: Driving stories with Simon!!!!
Nothing better then coming home from work and seeing a new CC... let's go!
Im sorry @MatthewMarcum I faded out and wasnt present for all the details. I dont know how long it took to write but you were immersed in this. Thank you for sparing us all the horror. Glad that he's dead. Fabienne - what a legend stabbing him 23 times, liver, kidneys and testicle - that MUST have hurt. I notice Jen's edits more in the bad ones, distancing from the script I think. "Breaking the Cycle" - Amazing edit Jen. Sometimes I wonder why I listen. It puts things in perspective though doesnt it? I'm never really having a bad day. It could be so much worse.
I'm stepping in for Jen on some of the the Cas Crim edits for a while, glad you enjoyed it :D
@@Xtianzzyzx Then all credit to you. Stellar Edits
Hey Simon, I'm from Sydney Australia.
I love your show, but I also enjoy the "Villain is about to cop it" part!.
As someone with Is borderline personality disorder. it is incredibly frustrating the way this condition is stigmatized and vilainized like it has been here . There are 9 different main characteristics of BPD and you only have to fit 4 of these to qualify for a diagnosis. In my opinion it is incredibly irresponsible to paint everyone with a certain condition as manipulative and negative. plenty of "those people" Are just normal people trying to live our lives.
Agree. It's sad that many people with CPTSD or even autism are diagnosed incorrectly with BPD first
I had such girlfriend, she was ok, except of drinking blood.
@@alicesgonementalI feel in this day and age professionals often use it for a catch-all when they cbf figuring out the actual issue, particularly with women or AFAB individuals, it suck. Happened to me and 2 of my friends, I’ve been diagnosed thankfully, and ACCURATELY with bipolar disorder, my other friend has dissociative PTSD, and my best friend still has the BPD label but they also just won't tell her what they're labelling her as entirely and its infuriating to watch. I fucking hate the whole “it not the label that matters, it's the treatment that matters ☺️😌🥰✨” like, no, no no, if someone asks, they should have the right to know exactly what the hell is wrong with them. I know very few people with that diagnosis that turned out to actually have it rather than it being autism, c-ptsd, bipolar etc
THIS EXACTLY!! I have C-PTSD (from treatment) & am getting tested for autism. The jump to BPD in females is ridiculous!@@DahliaVonHellion
Ok I think 34:48 is my all time favorite Simon tangent. Each time I thought it would be the end of the story- it just kept going!!
Lets Go Matt!! Love your stuff!
I was as surprised as Simon was at the inclusion of Winnemucca in the video, and equally as surprised that he nailed the pronunciation.
Well done, fact boi.
Fabian was indeed a legend 🙌
Julie is also a legend
Watched a war o graphic. Checked out an into the shadows. Got educated with an og bb episode. Ending the day with casual criminalist and some video games. Thanks for continuing to help facilitate the growing wrinkles Simon.
4:35: 🔪 Tommy Lynn Sells, also known as the coast to coast killer, was a cold and uncaring serial killer who murdered families across the United States for over two decades.
13:00: 😢 Tommy's mother, Nina, had a complicated relationship with her children and their fathers, leading to Tommy being sent to live with his aunt Bonnie, who provided him with a stable and loving home.
18:49: 😢 Tommy's childhood was filled with neglect, abuse, and traumatic experiences.
24:54: 🔪 Tommy hitchhikes across the country, commits his first murder, and has a volatile relationship with his mother.
33:07: 😱 Tommy continues his pattern of violence and murder, targeting a family and taking credit for another killing years later.
36:43: 😱 Tommy commits a series of murders and violent crimes across multiple states, targeting women and children.
42:38: 😱 A family of four is brutally murdered in their home, and the case remains unsolved for years until a man named Tommy confesses to the crime.
48:26: 🔪 Tommy Lynn Sells commits a series of violent crimes, including murder, while experiencing drug addiction and mental health disorders.
55:03: 😱 Tommy continues his killing spree, targeting a young single mother and her son, but is thwarted by the mother's self-defense skills.
1:00:49: 💔 Tommy kills multiple victims, including a 13-year-old girl, in various locations over several years.
1:06:48: ⚖ Tommy Lynn Sells, a serial killer, confesses to multiple murders and is sentenced to death.
1:12:19: 💀 Tommy Lynn Sells was executed by lethal injection in Texas after his request to postpone the death penalty was denied.
Recap by Tammy AI
One of the best episodes ive heard so far
My brother had spiral meningitis at 5 years old. He code blued twice and is now mentally and physically handicapped. Meningitis is no joke
15:38 both my nanna and my husband survived meningitis!
My nanna sadly died of cancer many years later, but my husband has had meningitis TWICE and is still alive and kicking!
I think meningitis is one of the few infections I didn’t get as a kid (measles before I was old enough for my mmr, so my immune system was a little screwed, I even had such awful “pink eye” as a kid I had to stay in bed for a week with horrific nausea and headaches with it!).
Very grateful for modern medicine! Also, I have had sepsis with a kidney infection so bad my kidney swelled up and made my lung feel smaller, so I was on oxygen for a few days and some hefty antibiotics for a week or two! Luckily I was already on a higher intensity hospital ward with severe malnutrition and a feeding tube, so the staff were incredibly quick and helpful!
I can’t even imagine the pain of meningitis though, migraines make me want to drill a hole in my skull sometimes!
Not gonna lie, I'd watch the Warm and Fuzzies show with Simon.
I love that when you said cryptids there was an image of Gritty! For those who don’t know, Gritty is the demented mascot for the Philadelphia Flyers hockey team ❤
I'm glad there is someone who got my joke lol
If you Google "Partick Thistle weird mascot" you're in for a treat...
Well Simon... all I can really interject into the death penalty discussion is this question.... What would you think if Joel's mother, who was wrongfully convicted of her sons murder, would have been given the death penalty instead of prison time?
That was heavy. But, presented well and respectively in my opinion. Thanks Matt, Simon, and Jen if she stills edits these . If not then thank you editor.
I edited this episode, thank you
I remember this case on TV once, when I was a child, my mom had it on, and they interviewed Crystal, it has haunted me ever since, to this very day I struggle to sleep if my throat is uncovered.
Hey there, Simon! Love your content, man. 👊 I've been a subscriber for a while now, and I've got a seriously intriguing suggestion for your next episode. Ever heard of Kermit Gosnell and the Mother's Day Massacre? 🤔
Now, I know you've got a knack for diving into some seriously dark and twisted criminal cases, and this one is an absolute goldmine for your channel. Kermit Gosnell was a real-life nightmare - an abortion doctor turned criminal who operated a house of horrors. His story is like something out of a thriller movie, and I can already see you uncovering all the gritty details.
But here's the kicker: Gosnell didn't just stop at performing illegal abortions. He went full-on mad scientist mode with the Mother's Day Massacre - a sinister tale of human experimentation on vulnerable women. 🧪 This twisted case involves shocking violations of medical ethics, gruesome procedures, and a web of disturbing secrets that desperately need your signature investigative flair.
Picture this: Your signature wit, the gripping storytelling style we all know and love, and a deep dive into the chilling depths of the Gosnell case. You've got the power to shed light on this dark chapter in history, exposing the truth and giving a voice to those who suffered.
So, what do you say, Casual Criminalist? Your fans (myself included) are dying to see you unravel the mystery behind Kermit Gosnell and the Mother's Day Massacre. Trust me, this episode could be an absolute game-changer for your channel. Keep up the awesome work, and looking forward to seeing you tackle this chilling story! 💀🔍
Oh boy. I haven't watched this yet but i already know this is going to be hard for Simon. I've heard Tommy' story before.
Love these videos fact boy! CSI, lets go!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤🎉❤❤❤❤❤
I really do love how Simon has gone from being anti-death penalty to now firmly and enthusiastically pro-execution. It's such an interesting progression, a fascinating case study in real life character development.
Simon, don't admit to your speeding. Literally part of the rules, never admit your crimes.
I’ve never been so early! Lol I’ve been wanting to listen to a new episode lately, so I’m glad there is one!
I was a latchkey kid. First I went to my neighbours' to wait for one of my older siblings to pick me up, but by age 8-9 I was home alone for an hour or so until one of my siblings came home. This was during the 90s though, and nowadays kids stay at after-school clubs until they're 10-12 years old. (Sweden btw.)
Is that a legal thing or just a culture thing (USAmerican here). I was raised a similar way in the 2000s and it varies by state how old you have to be to be left alone without it being considered neglect nowadays but the general culture looks down on it a lot now.
@@francislyon81Nowadays it's also frowned upon to leave your kids home alone unless they're teenagers, but there isn't a law against it. A lot of the times Swedes are expected to use common sense instead of there being a law forcing us, which is how we handled Ms Rona (which didn't go super well but didn't go terribly either?). However, I'm sure that if someone called CPS because they saw a 6 year-old at home alone, the parents would get in trouble for neglect, especially if it's found to be a repeat offence.
I live in Arkansas, and this is the first time I can think of an episode of TCC covering someone who did anything in Arkansas... I wish there were none but it honestly doesn't surprise me.
Just imagine this: Joel's mother Julie could have gotten the death penalty for the murder of her son (had this happened in a state with capital punishment)
It's about time this one was done!!!
As a Nevadan, I'm proud of Simon saying Winnemucca properly
I love listening to this and having Simon go over the idioms used in the United States and find them either confusing or non-intuitive in their meaning... This time around, it's the concept of the latchkey kid..
The term was typically used for elementary school kids who were in possession of a house key to the family home. The youngest of this type of person that I ever knew about was around 8 years old but I think was often oriented towards 10 to 12-year-olds... Because in the United States, 12-year-olds is typically what's now considered the youngest age a kid can stay home alone in a lot of your jurisdictions... But back when the term was coined, it was when there was an uptick of moms that started going to work during the day like their husbands and being a latchkey kid was a solution for no one being home when you were done with school... So you would have your house key and would walk home and the whole idea being that you would let yourself into the house. It did lead to tighter parameters around the age at which you could leave a kid home alone it all that... I remember it pretty distinctly because I was that kid for a while but also because in my house, getting your house key was kind of like a rite of passage.
I was a Latchkey kid from the age of 8. The term came from us wearing a necklace with a key for home attached to it. I had to call my mom immediately when I got home, and since I did it for years, I still remember the number. Sometimes, she didn’t come home until after 6, but there was a family that live in the in same apartment building, and I went over there a lot.
Same.
It was common for a lot of us.
Brave girl, Krystal. Making no attempts to stop the bleeding immediately was a gamble as she could have easily bled out, but had she attempted, Sells would have known she wasn't dead yet. Had she not survived to give a description, they never would have found Tommy before he fled.
Ty Simon love your tangents n videos 5 star
Thank you so much for not going into the gruesome details. It's one of the many things I like about this podcast. As far as the death penalty goes, I believe some people, like this killer, deserve it. However, I hope that it will one day be abolished in the U.S. and everywhere else, as innocent people are convicted of murder. Imagine what would have happened if Julie Rae Harper had been given the death penalty for the murder of her child. The state would have killed an innocent woman who was in mourning. She cannot be given back the years that she lost in prison, but at least her future can be given back to her.
5:38 BPD is mostly caused by events from childhood. They're not all manipulative and it can be worked on to improve symptoms and way of life.