2020 Stockli Stormrider 88 Ski Review
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2019
- This week we introduce Stockli as a new brand for SkiEssentials.com and chat about the Stormrider 88!
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I have been Skiing the Stormrider DP Pro in a 184 for years. Love these skis, excited to see the decrease in weight.
Skied these and was blown away. If you get on them especially on edge on a pitch, it feels like a racing ski, very quick edge to edge and so stable with amazing dampening. That's where this shines. So solid underfoot it gives you confidence. Does not need much turn initiation, but does it ever hook up to your turn, short or long. I would compare this to the characteristics of a Volkl Mantra or Kendo, however the Stockli wants to race more than the Volkl. This is a keeper.
They certainly are special skis. I'm consistently impressed by how easy they are to ski and the power that they have.
I couldn't agree more with the comments on a Ski over 1000 £ in my case.
After seeing you review of the
Kastle FX95HP
I bought last seasons model for around £450.
Wow. The difference is incredible. More than any other ski I've tried.
It's certainly worth investing in a premium Ski.
Make the most of the Smow when we get it.
I don’t understand what you mean by the tail. I just bought some demo Brahma 88’s and I have never skied a better ski. I’m going to look at buying a new pair of Stormriders.
Very solid looking ski.
Nice, I would like to test them !
Anyone know the difference between the 2020 Stormrider 88 and last year’s 88?
Just bought got a pair, can’t wait to try!
i guess Im kinda randomly asking but does anybody know of a good website to stream new tv shows online ?
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@Micah Dante thank you, I went there and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :) Appreciate it!
@Joel Eugene No problem :)
Our awesome experts, which binding do you recommend for these? (Hopefully something light so it doesn’t add much extra weight.) I’m 6’, 190 lbs, experienced skier. Head Nexo LYT 120 flex boots. Also, which length skis would you recommend?
Marker Griffon is a trusty favorite among our staff. We mount more of those and Tyrolia Attack 13s than any other binding by a long shot. The 90 mm brake of the Griffon will fit a little more snug than the 95 mm Attack brake, so a Griffon would look quite nice and of course function well too. A Look Pivot 14 could be cool too, but that adds around $100 compared to a Griffon or Attack 13. For length, I'd expect the 177 cm would work well for you. 186 cm feels like overkill; it's a good 5-6 cm taller than you, which feels unnecessary in a ski as stable and smooth as the Stormrider 88.
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Well said, totally agree.
You mentioned “feenle” sidewalls (nailed that spelling I’m sure), and Stoklii using this in a park skis that went to shite as a result.. does this material still show up in any skis now? And how do I actually spell that? Thanks
It does, but typically race skis or frontside carving specific skis where you don't have to worry too much about edge impact. ABS sidewalls are much more common these days. It's spelled "Phenol"
Phenol is only used in Stockli race skis, simply for the unbeatable power transfer. ABS is the sidewall on all current Stormriders and all mountain Stockli skis for durability.
I heard somewhere else that it takes Stöckli 10 days to build a ski, due to
a long curing process at different stages during manufacture.
Yeah, I can't remember the exact statistics, but the amount of hours put into a single ski and also the amount of different hands that touch it (for specialized tasks) is pretty crazy. When you start to think about all that stuff, you start to understand why they're more expensive than big box brands.
The feel of Stöckli, Kastle and Volkl skis is addictive, both under your feet and in your hands. Like I commented elsewhere, I got a pair of Kastle MX89’s for $255.00, and I’m blown away by the quality; it is tangible. I can’t wait to ski them. And, again, the price of these high end skis is worth every penny spent.
It takes 12 “DAYS” we toured the STOCKLI plant in Malters Switzerland it is only 12 KM WEST of LUCERN SWITZERLAND. Fabulous facility ALL STOCKLI Skis go through over 84 QUALITY control inspections by 12 DIFFERENT QUALITY CONTROL inspectors/engineers. BEST manufacturing of ANY SKI in the entire WORLD no one even comes close to a STOCKLI in comparison!
I have made lots of comments with you guys.. My first pair of skis that I got last year when I came back to Colorado and skied for the first time out here in 20 years was 2016 Stockli Stormrider 88 x 177. For groomers and hardpack nothing beats them. I would imagine the 2020 and newer models are a little bit lighter than mine but I am not trading mine in;) I am interested in the Stormrider 105 and probably around the 177ish length. My 88s got stuck in the crud. The other thing I would say about them is that they wanted to go fast and have long radius turns. I could go slow with short radius turns but it took lots of effort and when there are a ton of people skiing and not many runs open I don't think it is worth it. I like that the newer 105s have an 18m turn radius which is smaller than the 19m radius for the 88s.
I did pick up a pair of 2021 DPS Wailer F100 x 184.. 15m turn radius. Probably going to be the perfect crud, slush, powder, tree, ton of people ski. But I am a Stockli person and I still want the 105s too;)
It's amazing that Stockli doesn't make anything wider than a 102 anymore--certainly an outlier in the ski industry these days, but where they put the focus, they do it better than anyone. Have fun!
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@@SkiEssentials So they stopped making their 105? Makes me want it even more;) Hard charging seams to be the best way to describe Stockli.. If the hill is open up and you want to give it that would be the ski.. Quick turns does not describe them.. You can jump turn but they will bite as soon as they hit..
@@darinsmith2458 Yup, no more 105. We had some leftovers kicking around for a while, but I'm not sure if they're still in stock.
@@SkiEssentials I guess I can see why.. They are really more of a race ski and not much of a surfy type of ski.. Give me hardpack anywhere on the mountain and nothing beats them..
Would you guys say you were pretty (removes Vuarnets) _stoked_ (puts em back on) about the Stocklis?
Hard not to be stoked about Stockli! *wink*
what resort was that in the beginning clip.
Stowe! Most of our reviews are filmed at Stowe. We're located in the village, just a few miles from the resort.
Want. Have always wanted.
They're pretty special skis. You can say that about anything Stockli makes to be honest.
I have a pair of Stockli Laser AX and they are the best skis I've ever ridden (I have a pair of Laser SX too...).
Are they worth the extra money? Yes. Quality and precision are way above the industry standard. You
get what you pay for. By the way, thanks for reviewing this brand, something I've been requesting for a
while. Any chance you can review the AX or SX?
last winter I got a new pair of skis, I put myself in between AX and SX, and I finally went with the laser AX, don’t know if that was a good choice, but after reading ur comment, I think I made the right choice.
Yuzhe Zhang I own the AX and I agree 100% with dick91p, they feel awesome. I made the mistake of testing them the first of a group of 4 different skis and the feeling is sooo much better than the rest that I ended spending most of the testing time on these, and by the end of the day purchased a pair. Worth every extra cent.
@Yuzhe: Definitely the right choice. The AX is more versatile.107 days in 2 seasons.
I just can't believe the precision and quality.
@ AG: Best skis I've ever owned too. The more I ski them, the more I like them.
dick91p The 2019 and newer AX is much softer, has no plate and more rocker than previous years . There is definitely a speed limit, I bought the 175 and wish now I’d bought the 182’s. I like everything about them other than lacking stability.
how would you compare to the Kastle 89?
Pretty similar, although I find the Kastle feels stiffer. The Stormrider 88 is exceptionally smooth. It has a softer longitudinal flex, which helps give it that smooth feel, but torsionally it holds an edge just as well as the Kastle.
@@SkiEssentials Hi, I have a dilema: The 2020 Stormrider 88 comes in 177cm and the 2021 in 175cm. I heard you guys talk that the 2021 model is stiffer (denser wood being used)? I feel like 175 could be slightly short for my 179cm and 86kg ( I am a good skier, mostly on piste, but whenever there is some fresh powder off piste I like to go there...). I guess 184 will be a bit long...which one should I try to grab? Thx a lot and keep up the great reviews and testing! Miha
The VW vs Audi comparison is not to say that Brahma is a what? Lol. And lovin’ my E88s just to add context.
It's maybe not the best analogy, but in my head I was thinking VW Golf R to Audi RS3. That said, the Golf R is basically my favorite car right now based on performance and value.
Skiessentials.com YES! I see that we are on the same page. I love these videos. You are doing a great job.
I can’t recall which ski was said to have seemingly no limit at speed. Are these, given their stability & damping, considered to seemingly have no limit??
Pretty much, yeah. I think a really-heavy, super-aggressive skier could potentially find a speed limit, but they're exceptionally smooth, stable, and damp, yes!
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Ski construction details aside, in my opinion the speed limit of a ski is primarily a function of ski length and skier mass. Given a certain ski length, the ski will reach a "speed limit" (become unstable and eminently un-skiable) at some critical skier mass. For example, I ski a pair of Brahma 88's at 180 length and weigh 210 lbs. It's a ripping super stable stiff ski and I can ski them in and around 60 mph (100 kph) without hesitation but..., I do feel that I am reaching and occasionally exceeding their speed limit. The same ski at 189 (longest length) has no practical speed limit for me but might for a 250 lb skier. So the ideal "speed limit" Brahma ski length for someone of my weight would be about 184 cm. Likewise, I have skied the Stormrider 95 at 184 length and with that ski I had no hesitation to bring it up to 105 kph. So the 4 cm additional over the 180 Brahma's make a difference to me. I suspect I would feel similarly about Brahma's if they existed in 184 length (now they finally do) - no speed limit. In short, if you are looking for skis with no "speed limit", make sure you are selecting the right length of ski for your weight. The assumption of course is that if one is looking to ski as fast as our mental and physical fitness allows, then we presumably also have the technique to do so. :)
@@MrDox123 Thank you David. Great information, very helpful.
@@rezakhalvati6150 Reza, I’m glad it was useful. I noticed that you mentioned you are 6’ and 190 lbs. I’m 6’1” and 210 though my ideal weight is closer to 200. Point is that you were inquiring about ski length and speed limits. If you are experienced as I believe you also mentioned, IMO you shouldn’t be skiing, or better yet, buying, any skis shorter than 180 unless they’re slalom skis. Nothing wrong with skiing a pair of SR’s at 177 but I think the 184’s will be a better match to give you that confidence of a rock solid platform and no “speed limit”. I tend to go 180-184 on shorter radius (15-18m) narrower skis (e.g., Laser AR’s) and 184-188 on longer radius (18-22m) wider skis. I ski 92 and 98 mm underfoot skis in 185 for example and they are just great. It is more the exception than the norm that I’m not skiing on the skis longest available length unless they don’t have lengths in the 180-188 range (e.g., Blizzard all mountain until recently). I would consider a powder ski longer than 188 but unfortunately I don’t have much opportunity to ski snow that requires boards with more than 105 mm underfoot. Even so, I suspect a ~110 mm underfoot ski at ~185-188 would be fine in most but the deepest powder. If you decide to pick up a pair of SR88’s you might want to inquire with Bob at SE (he’s got a similar build to us) or others who have skied them in different lengths. I stopped asking (perhaps never started actually) about ski length a long time ago. I do ask about just about everything else though. Build and geometry in particular.
First pick, Stormrider 88 or Enforcer 88?
Depends on the skier really. I feel like Enforcer 88 gives you a touch more versatility. The Stormrider 88 is exceptionally smooth, but I'd feel a little more comfortable taking the Enforcer 88 off trail, and it's certainly no slouch on groomers.
Two different skis. Get both. However you would probably prefer the Stockli if you are a expert / professional skier. It answers your input with purpose and amazing delivery.
@@michaelaronson5507 Appreciate your input. Thank you. I went with the Enforcer 88 and got a pair of Laser AX. The enforcer 88 is an improvement from the 93 in my opinion. Interesting to see the difference with the new 94. I would definitely love to test the Stormrider 88 one day, haven't had the chance. The quality of a Stockli ski is impressive though.
@@SkiEssentials appreciate your input. love watching your reviews. Makes all the difference in deciding on a ski. So many great options out there for skis these days. Cheers!
They need to add some bright colors to their ski's, how the hell are you going to find a white ski, 3' deep in the powder???
Truth be told, if the ski are buried in the snow, you will have difficulties finding them even if they were electric pink. :):)
@@tonyg3091 I’d like the chances of finding a hot pink over a white/silver ski in the snow any day thanks!
@@Machria23 We need to have a word with Stockli graphic designers then, The new SRs are even more invisible :):)
Alternatively you can always go for AX.
@@tonyg3091 YES, PLEASE DO!!! It's ridiculous the amazing really well designed and built SR95's and SR105's which are "powder ski's", are white or silver colored!! Somebody send a can of 80's NEON paint to the Swiss please!! I have a 2014 SR95 ski that I LOVE, and I would LOVE to buy a new pair, but will not buy them until they have some color on them. I don't want to waste 2 hours searching for a white ski in the snow! ;)
How good is it on moguls ?
It's good as long as you have pretty accomplished technique in moguls. Because there's no tail rocker, you need to be fairly comfortable unweighting the ski or you're going for a zipper-line ride.
@@SkiEssentials Dear Skiessentials: what do you recommend as a good mogul ski for an average mogul skier? I'm great on the piste, average on moguls, am 63 and weight 176 pounds. Thanks in advance! PS: Love your reviews!
@@paulbates3545 we often recommend the XDR 88. The Experience 88 is also a good one. In general, we've found the mid-80 width range with some stability underfoot and forgiveness in the tips and tails is the way to go for most casual/average mogul skiers. Ripstick 88 from Elan is also a good one.
@@SkiEssentials Thank you so much!!
Do you have a view on ski length? I'm 5'9" tall. My priority is skiing moguls well, but I'd also use it on groomer days. Thanks in advance!!
Do they get stolen??
Stockli might be more attractive to a knowledgeable ski thief, but in general, no. Always a good idea to lock or separate new skis, however.
Ski and review the Stormrider 95's! I skied those a few years ago for a day and they were the BOMB!!AND, how about review / sell some USA made ski's? There are 2 or 3 new brands now made 100% in USA! ;-))
We currently work 19 different ski manufacturers, some of which are made in the US! DPS is a good example.
Nothing in the WORLD comes close to SWISS craftsmanship of a Stockli ski and certainly nothing from USA would be even close . Can’t believe you would even ask such a STUPID question must be a brand NEW skier or an IMMIGRANT!
@@kodyadams5589 Really? LOL! Folsom, Wagner, DPS, Voile, 4FRNT, RMU... yep, shabby bunch of ski's there huh? And PS, I have a pair of Stormrider 95's I just got a few months ago, LOVE them. But the only thing the SWISS are really any good at is, hiding money and making simple watches too expensive!
Would be nice to see some actual ‘technical’ skiing in the clips, proper long radius, and short radius turns, start to finish, instead of cruising :)
We try as much as we can to work in different skiing and different terrain, sometimes we just don't have the footage to work with. A lot of this footage was extra from our 2020 Ski Test.
And also somebody who can ski properly, not just cruise like this tester. No way can this guy tell you anything about the ski.
@@sfbigt you can come skiing with us anytime you want and we'll use your skiing in a review! That's a serious open invitation to test 2021 skis.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks 4 the invitation. Unfortunately I live quite far away, otherwise I'd come and help you.
I like your professional approach regarding the tech talk/structure of the skis etc., but as I mentioned earlier, if one skis with the weight on a wrong leg, standing tall, skidding turns, rotating upper body, no angles, not finishing the turns etc., there is no point trying to talk about rebound out of the turn, or any other qualities of a race ski. That type of skiing is NOT dynamic carving, its just letting the ski take you for a ride. Maybe OK if testing a beginner type of skis?
However, since you are doing these reviews seriously, I suggest you take few lessons from a pro instructor.
That would not only raise the level of your reviews but you would also have a lot more fun really being able to master the skis.
@@sfbigt I'll run your recommendation by some friends of mine. I know quite a few people on the PSIA national team.
You are WRONG it takes 12 DAYS not 16 HOURS . Maybe you meant to say 16 DAYS but you really should know FACTS “ BEFORE” making the video. This was a REALLY IMPORTANT point and you blew it BIG TIME !
Blew it big time? Geez, sorry. I got that stat straight from Stockli in reference to the total number of man hours in labor for each ski. If a tech is making say, average $25 an hour, that's $400 in labor costs alone for each individual ski. You're correct about the 12 days, but it's not like someone is actively working on it for 12 days, that's epoxy cure time, etc.
Shorter reviews would be nice
We'll definitely work in some shorter reviews, but we like doing these longer discussions as well. My question to you is, how short? There's plenty of 1-2 minute "reviews" out there that are basically just listing stats. We definitely don't want to do that. Our Ski Test is also a more efficient way to learn about a bunch of different skis than our Chairlift Chat reviews. Have you seen that? www.skiessentials.com/2020-ski-test
Skiessentials.com Please keep your reviews the same! Don’t shorten them.
No thanks! I love to watch skiing enthusiasm talk about skis. There so much to it other than the essential part. The feeling of a ski can sometimes not be described in just simple words . And this review feels like a nice conversation between to people. It's really good with lots of information