The total scale of the station is not decided yet. At least 66 tons including 3 modules, each one 22 tons, excluding Tianzhou and Shenzhou. In 2024 a telescope will be implemented to make it around 80 tons. Later on, if needed, the sister of Tianhe will be docked to make it over 100 tons. Rumor says also there will be an Italian module but not sure yet. So the scale can be from 66 tons up to 120 tons.
Chinese space telescope won't dock with space station, instead flying on the same orbit with a distance to avoid vibration and other interference, which would be quite fun to watch on the ground.
Yes, the "Core Module II" (or as you call it "sister Tianhe") is one of the options. Should that be launched, two additional laboratory modules would be launched. I honestly hope that this will happen. And as far as I know, news say some European astronauts are "learning Mandarin" right now. I hope future international cooperation will not be hindered by political disputes.
They are using a Star Trekish color scheme and even the interior furnishing is like a Federation starship as the Star Trek moviesis very popular in China probably more so then here with the younger generation in North America ! ruclips.net/video/fYjjH19iDfw/видео.html
Nice one Scott, I really enjoyed that and I love the way you brought us together on the thought process of the reality we do want and that is a peaceful working relationship with other countries in outer space as well as on the ground… 🙏🏻
@@mmgg18 Regionally, you're right, but properly it's more like “Jew” than Joe. But I've heard it both ways: the language is a b**** to learn that way, everyone has a different way to pronounce words beyond just the tone!
Had von Braun decided to become a U.S. automobile industrialist in 1950 instead of continuing rocketry, he could have bankrolled and developed a Mars mission by 1975 and his company-following his death-a base by 1995*. No reusability, just brute-force big dumb boosters with two dozen F-1 class engines per, and not even bother with a Moon mission. _________ *Yes, I'm glossing over a mess of details (radiation; crew would be sent up on much smaller, man-rated, rockets, etc. etc.)
@@-danR He had the talent, but the math doesn't add up for money or time. The Space Race cost (inflation-adjusted) $300 Billion and 15 years just to get a few days on the Moon, a few times. And that was with the resources and political commitment of a mobilized superpower nation. Assuming he could cut the cost 10x, that's still $30 billion. Since you have to sell pieces of a company to scale it, he would have a decreasing percentage of the profit to spend, even if the total dollar amount kept increasing. He would have to sell tens of millions of cars before he would have the money to reach the Moon, and that's assuming he could do it 10x cheaper. He definitely couldn't match the speed of the program. Mars would be totally out of the question in the 20th century.
@@-danR Except he didn't have any exceptional automotive experience And there's almost no way a for-profit car company is going to keep burning money on a mars base after its CEO stops making it.
Scott, you preempted my thoughts on 'universal docking adaptors installed on the Chinese (Kerbal looking) station. Adaptability is a good thing as politics should never over rule the possibility of trying to save lives in danger in space. The maritime code here on Earth never gives it a second thought about not saving lives at sea from ANY country. Astronauts/ Cosmonauts, whatever, deserve that flexible support from the worlds space agencies.
While no situations have arose to test it, I think legally speaking space is considered a massive 'ocean' and 'maritime' law still applies, especially in the case of rescue. If able, any spacecraft would be obligated to come to the aid of another except if it put the lives of the rescuers in considerable risk. EDIT- The Agreement on the Rescue of Astronauts resolution of 1968 does just that, based on common maritime law but designed specifically for space. All of the world's major space powers, and even most who don't even have space programs, are signatories for it. So yes, any astronaut/cosmonaut stranded in space would receive rescue efforts from all craft able to do so.
Nice Scott, great to see that you don't have bias and hope for mankind as whole working together for the space exploration and to solve the problems we face today.
Mechanical compatibility of docking systems is a wise move by China. It is great to see China joining nations with a permanent presence in space. It was about time too!
Unfortunately, China tried to join in the international efforts, but these efforts were blocked by the US for political reasons. It's a nice move by my country to elect the universally adaptable docking system. I hope International cooperations can make the world a better place.
When I lived in Ottawa, the summers would regularly hit 40 to 45 degrees Celsius with the humidity. And the winters would get to -40 to -45 degrees Celsius with the wind chill in the winter. It's the most extreme temperature range out of any capital in the world.
It was a case of Scott getting caught midstream in the change of thought before the change of speech. He does really well at contemporaneous speech. You don't see many , if any, edits in his narrative. As a Canadian.. I knew what he meant. lol
Amazing really, the ISS and now the Chinese Space Station up there as well, technological marvels both! Seems strange there’s literally no genuine footage of them being put together though, would have thought everyone would like to see how such pinnacles of engineering were constructed.
We are just beginning commercial space flight. Early days, like the spacex Dragon capsule is still only the model T and things will advance logarithmically faster as time goes by.
@Archers Be Ready I’m really happy for China and its accomplishments. All unfounded western allegations of Chinese atrocities are lies. I’m with you China... with you to the stars.
@@tomservo5007 Just the fact that they are putting stuff in space is going to push the leaders in this country to "do something". It would not suprise me at all if some extra funding for HLS suddenly is found to get one of the other 2 landers funded just from the PR of China did "x"
@@ellisjk1409 And you thin we care about your failure to contain /control?? whatever you can do to stop the pandemic within your territories. LOL, you do remind us that you initiated deathly diseases over centuries and killed over 40 million population world wide excluding those killed in war and slavery. Shame of you.
@@sysosoalan1260 I don't remember doing any of those things but I do remember China and their Wuhan lab releasing the deadly covid-19 virus on the world. China is the enemy here and so are you if you support them. Do you want you and your family to wear masks and carry vaccine passports your entire life? Democrats here do and it's disgusting. China and the CCP did this to us and I for one will not let the world forget. Nuke China.
@@JohnnyWednesday I was wondering about that. There's symbolic weight to character styles, and that probably looks a lot different depending on which character set you're saturated with
The Tianhe core module's weight is 22. 5 tons. The two experiment module and Xuntian telescope will also be over 20 tons. If there's need for international cooperation in the future. Tianhe core module can dock with another core module(and two more experiment module on it) and make the station reach 180 tons. This new station will have the most capabilities that ISS has. The first 3 modules have 23 experiment cabins while ISS have 31 in total. And benefit from the technological progress in the last 20 years, CSS station's flexible solar panels have 30%+ photovoltaic efficiency, over two times of those on ISS. It's said that the power generation ability of CSS will eventually reach 50%+ of ISS.
Thanks Scott. It would be interesting if at some point you could do a history of all the space stations to date - from Skylab to the present: US, Russia, China and International.
Tiangong was an interesting craft. My theory was that it was intended to test rendezvous and docking more so than anything else. So they just put some life support equipment into it and called in a space station. Personally I suspect it was also a prototype for a large "Progress" style vehicle. BTW, I like your models.
As a Chinese, I have a lot to say about my government. But that's not the matter here. Space exploration is for all mankind. I hope countries can get over their political differences and work together for a common future. And thank you Scott for being so apolitical when talking about space. Space should not be political, but it unfortunately is.
Assuming that for some reason the spacecraft couldn’t safely land, the plane change maneuver required between the ISS and Chinese station probably requires more delta-v than any existing manned spacecraft, certainly those heading for the space stations. Only Orion and Starship could make the trip.
Aren’t the orbits too different? If changing inclination during launch with a dogleg is probably too hard for Soyuz then there’s no way that you could do it once on orbit.
@@jackgibbons6013 the US could launch an entirely new orbiter from Kenedy and the russia could launch their orbiter too , it doesn't need to be an orbiting spacecraft since China may ran out of rockets at that time and the only nation that produces the rocket regularly are the US and Russian
Yeah, it's the one thing where we get along in and now it's gonna be completely ruined. Hoping SpaceX will be able to launch some Cosmonauts to the ISS to keep relations in good graces.
@@russellpuff1996 hmm for that to happen spacex would need to let the cosmonauts fly for free. i guess as long as the russians have their own possibility to fly to the iss, they dont want to pay spacex or nasa for it.
@@emmerich2080 NASA and Roscosmos have done ride swaps for a long time. An American rides on a Russian rocket, and a Russian rides on an American rocket. The only difference right now is that Roscosmos has been hesitant towards commercial systems, saying they want to see more flights before committing.
@@jamessteven711 well, too be honest, the movie didnt leave much of an impression cause i already forgot what happened.. Never said the movie was good lol
2:58 I think it's not bad, except you're missing the rising tone during the second character. A bit similar to how you raise the tone at the end of a question in English. The way you said it sounds a bit like the tone going down. If you look at the Pinyin, the lines above the letters indicate the direction in which the tone goes (Tiānhé). Keep in mind, it's not like the way those are used in French or Dutch, it only affects the tone. Another trick is to copy paste the chinese characters (天和) into Google Translate and asking it to pronounce it for you ;) But if there are native mandarin speakers here, feel free to correct me. The only experience I have is 577 days of duolingo :P
Those "Tian"'s should sound more like Tien or t-yen. The a's are much less vocalised in the back part of a word and sound more like e's. Google's pronounce is a good shout, just don't press the one on the English side or you get Tea An Hay :D
Scott's Jiuquan and Shenzhou were too far from discernable though. I wish CNSA could provide translated names based on meanings instead of plain pronunciation for international use.
@@auferstandenausruinen They did though 天和 (Tiānhé) : Heaven's Harmony 天宫 (Tiāngōng) : Heaven's Palace 神舟 (Shénzhōu) : Divine's Ark 酒泉(Jiǔquán) this is a city btw: Wine's Spring
Congratulations to the Chinese. I wish them well with their space station, and I hope that everyone can figure out a way to cooperate in the future, with traffic going freely between stations and facilities regardless of its origin. Whatever is happening on the ground we should cooperate in space. It's a different realm where everyone is equally vulnerable. Radiation and micrometeorites don't care what country you were born in.
The US evil Zionist regime wanted to humiliate the Chinese by not letting them involve in the International Space Station look today the Chinese are very happy people now the same country's ar very sad now
As a Chinese physicist, I personally welcome all forms of space cooperation, all mankind shares one future and we should work together to make it as good as possible!
@@-danR First of all, Chinese space tech is based on Russian technology. Also, let me remind you that your entire space program was founded by scientists stolen from Nazi Germany. Go figure.
@@supercarserious7489I just like seeing these massive payloads like it’s KSP or something. The spacecraft and launch vehicle doesn’t do it for me for some reason xD
@ThePolarised No country can even compare with the CCP when it comes to killing its own population. Go take a history lesson on Cultural revolution, great leap forward, Tiananmen square massacre, etc.
@@sarasvensson4586 Maybe you didn't notice but Russia and USA (aka they did the same) are also involved. I absolutely agree that situation in China is bad and I agree why pressure should be put to solve those issues. But saying that they should not be allowed on principle is something absolutely self-righteus. That is not how you make world better place.
I watched the live coverage last night along with ESA launch and SpaceX launch. SpaceX always does the best job on streaming, but I must say China's streaming was less boring than ESA's.
Let's not forget that China initially wanted to participate on the ISS, but US politics got in the way and America officially banned them. Now they're doing their own thing. Kinda impressed.
@@NZBigfoot China tried to hack the US government. So did Russia. And the US doubtless did likewise. But at the time, NASA needed the Soyuz to get to the ISS whereas China didn't really have much to offer. It is my opinion that if China had a lot to offer back then, they might have been included aboard the ISS. I do get your point that nChina isn't blameless in all of this. I'm just acknowledging that Russia should have caught heat for its history of espionage against the US. Most countries would just bow out of the space game, because getting banned from being on the ISS is a pretty substantial block. But they decided to just do it on their own. Same deal with the Artemis program: it's billed as an international effort led by the US, but my understanding is that China wasn't even offered a chance to become a signatory to the Artemis Accords, and they're doing their own thing with moon exploration too. My point is, barring China will probably turn out to be a bad long-term move for the US, because they basically induced a major player in the race to industrialize space. Even though it is my opinion that completely banning China from working with the US was an extreme response to the JPL hacking incident, I also appreciate (to your point) how bad it looked. Hopefully you can appreciate some parts of my opinion, I definitely get what you're saying. Peace ☮️
@@donaldli1864 The Chinese JPL hacks occurred over 2010 and 2011, with a total log of 5408 security incidents [1]. The US Government proceeded to ban China from collaborating with them in April of 2011, as written in Public Law 112-10, Sec. 1340 [2] [1] www.foxnews.com/science/chinese-hackers-took-over-nasas-jet-propulsion-lab-inspector-general-reveals [2] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_exclusion_policy_of_NASA
Thank you so much for covering this launch in a neutral and optimistic manner, as I'm sure you're aware it's been kind of hard to get straightforward information from social media sites here in the states due to, well... I guess it comes down to propaganda. :(
@@Ammoniummetavanadate There is no genocide, Human Rights Watch specifically said there's no genocide. There are internment camps which are very similar to what US is still doing in Guantanamo Bay.
@@ЯнХай Not really. For example, wheels for bulldozers are easily distinguishable from car wheels. And if we just focus on car wheels, the number of designs of tires and wheels are innumerable. If you know a few things about them, their origins will stand out like a sore thumb. Same deal here. Russian spacecraft design was set back in the 1960s using aesthetic choices that were culturally popular at the time. With Russian hardware getting effectively stuck in that timeframe, there is a specific Soyuz "look" about Russian space hardware. i.e. The shape of the docking bell, the flare of the skirts, etc. This can be quite obvious when you look closely at the shape of the Russian modules of the ISS vs the American modules. The Chinese design looked way too much like the Soyuz designs when Scott showed them. None of the aesthetics of the Chinese hardware. Ergo why it made sense that it was licensed from the Russians.
Can you find any information that the core station is "licensed" by the Russians, it is not like space station is being mass produced and you can get a license, make one and shoot it to space. Look at the internal of the module and I don't see anything Russian about it. Russian technology involved? No doubt, for example the Shenzhou was a licensed modification of the Russian Soyuz where they enlarged and improved it. It seems like there is a tendency that people automatically associate the latest Chinese technologies as clones/copies/or licensed copies with an eye check, I believe that this has to do with the fact that many have difficulty in accepting the rise of China and in order to clam oneself emotionally they often disregard the latest Chinese achievements or their technological breakthrough by "proofing" that they latest achievement is just another reproduced piece of 20 years old Russian technology. Extremely dangerous trend.
@@aa1944-k2r Scott literally says in the video that the station modules are based on designs "licensed from the Russians". This being Scott Manley, I trust his research.
Haha... I continue to see you struggle with Mandarin pronunciations. … Fun fact: Type in the phrase "wine spring" in google translate, Chinese translation 酒泉 (JiuQuan) will show up which is also the name of China's rocket launch center in the northwest mentioned by you (pronounced Jiǔquán or Jiu-Chuan). The city was named by Emperor Han in 121 BC who allegedly pour wine into a water spring as a reward to his troops for a major battle won. I enjoy all your videos, thanks. I share your vision that all to work together peacefully and let us keep the politics out of space. Like you say, "Fly safely without the "wine spring" haha ...."
Their first station was almost disposable. It was sent to its destruction shortly after the launch. Just long enough for a few people to visit a few times and that was it. I didn't hear you mention how long it's going to be in service. Hard to believe there's that much interior space because the modules look small from the outside.
This one is supposed to have a lifespan of 10+ years. Also there are multiple missions over the next 2 years to add on a number of units to the the station. This is just the core unit. It will become larger....albeit not as large as the ISS. But remember that part of the ISS is not American, it is also composed of Russian units
unless uncoordinated unplanned and uncontrolled, this is normal, its the End of Life for that station, and it gets de-orbited (that's the burning up bit) and dropped in to the South Pacific Ocean Uninhabited Area (spacecraft cemetery). Early generation space stations were monolithic and were built on Earth ready to operate straight away once in orbit. That meant all the crew provisions, life support and fuel were on the station already, and when it ran out, that meant the station had reached its End of Life, and so de-orbit was next. Tiangong 1 and 2 were mostly like that, and in fact looked a lot like the early DOS/Almaz(diamond) Soviet space stations in configuration and size, and even in lifespan intent.
Don't worry Scott, your pronunciation is acceptable for a non-Chinese speaker. Btw afaik Tiangong will be the name of the overall station once fully assembled; I believe the name was already coined years ago. It means "Palace in Heaven", an important construct of Chinese folk mythology.
I'm waiting for someone to name a space station the "Oberth" or the "Tsiolkovsky," those being the first two men who came up with the idea of a practical orbital space habitat. Or you could name it the Edward Everett Hale memorial space station after the man who arguably described the first orbital space station in his novelette _The Brick Moon_ in 1869.
@@tarmaque Or Arthur C. Clarke who invented the communications satellite. Although he thought that they would be manned and origionate programming on board.
If you're actually endeavouring to get the Mandarin pronunciation close to right, you should probably look up what the letter-sound correspondences in Pinyin are, because they're pretty regular, but not intuitive for English speakers. For example, Pinyin represents a sound more like an English "ch" sound and not at all like a "k" sound. (The "ch" is a different sound like the English "ch" sound, and the distinction is generally difficult for English speakers. Pinyin , , and are sort of like English "ch", "j", and "sh" with the tip of the tongue pointing forward, whereas , , and are sort of like English "ch", "j", and "sh" with the tip of the tongue curled back like "retroflex r"*, which, incidentally, is also how Pinyin is pronounced. , , and , are a similar series sort of like "ts", "dz", and "s". There is also quite a bit room for confusion with the vowels and also how the interact with and : E.g., , , and (?==) are each often one sound not two, sounds like English "uh", or [ə], when not next to other vowels, can sometimes sound somewhat similar or even like a "retroflex r", and of course the tones are a thing and often not written.) (I say "sort of" in the previous parenthetical in mostly because , , and , as well as , , and , are not actually voiced, but just unaspirated.) *A "retroflex r" is a common pronunciation of the English "r", though I realize now that it's definitely not your pronunciation. Also, I think it would be perfectly fine if you just matched the sounds approximately to English sounds (though preferably to actually close ones, like -to-"ch" rather than -to-"k"). I actually think it might be a little jarring if you actually always said the Chinese words with perfect Mandarin pronunciations, including the tones.
They have a flotation device added by divers to keep them in the correct orientation in the water during crew egress. Crew dragon gets craned onboard ship before the crew gets out. The only onboard flotation devices are the turnover bags on the wide conical capsules like apollo and orion. Those designs have two stable flotation modes, point up and point down so they need the spherical floats at the top.
Good coverage, great gesture to make an effort to pronounce the Chinese names. +1 :) The only thing I might have quibbled about is at 10:20, when you said: "In the future, maybe there is some way to bring China's work into the international community in a way that the U.S. is happy.." On the face of it, China's space work already is international and community-minded. However, what you said is a correct description of the geopolitical status quo, provided one realises that whenever Americans _et al._ say "the international community", that means _"a group of vassals and clients that take orders from Washington and accept America as the group's gatekeeper, while carrying a name that makes it sound like the U.S. actually cared for genuine multilateralism, which they don't."_ In that sense, you're quite correct, it is indeed up to America whether they allow China into "the international community". Hence, none of your words here were unfair. It's an accurate description using the official standard American terminology. It just so happens that the standard American terminology is officially hypocritical and deceptive, and suggestive of a multilateralism that doesn't actually exist within "the international community", beause they don't want it to exist. "The international community" is one of those dog whistles that you can't fail to notice once attuned to it. Whenever Western media say "the international community", read America and the gang. It's a way of pretending to speak for most of the people of the world, when they really, really don't.
@@SF-tb4kb ...SpaceX does create a lot of bend VA steel in testing...but Crew Dragon showed they do it differently once humans are meant to be onboard.
@@SF-tb4kb spaceX will wait until the starship version they use has done 100s of completely successful unscrewed missions before having any crew. they wouldn't want to kill hundreds of people.
Scott, I loved the video! except fort the fact fact that it was 30s tooo fast for my local wing restaurant during lockdown it would be perfect. (Sarcasm) I love the vids. Keep em' coming!!!
Currently attached to Tianhe are Tianzhou-2 and Shenzhou-12, a cargo spacecraft and crew spacecraft. The actual modules Mengtian and Wentian won't launch till 2022.
With Starship's 100 ton to orbit capacity has there been any talk of utilizing this for the next ISS 100 ton sections seem like a big step towards a 2001 style operation
single stage to orbit on a cryo rocket deserves props, when putting that kind if mass up. Scott I bet that the Chinese docking adaptors can dock at ISS now with any changes, If I was china I would have built it that away it make it easier for other countries to send "items" to my station
That core stage is now space debris, and it will come down uncontrolled, just like the previous Long March 5B, parts of which came down on top of a village in Ivory Coast. Not awesome.
Everyone: oh nice the Chinese are making another space station, how cool Residents of villages down range from the launch site: Wouldn’t have said it exactly like that
These are launched from the island of Hai Nan, and launch over water. Ironically, the new rockets using RP-1/LOX or H2/LOX are launching from there, while the older rockets using the very toxic propellants are still launching from the Xi Chang launch site over villages. And by villages they mean cities with a million population.
being a chinese. I am very confused. China has invited the United States into the space station many times, friendly. In fact, the China government is already very friendly because I personally don't want the United States to participate(It's just my opinion) . But only when each country cooperates can we have a better future. However, the U.S. is working hard to enact a law prohibiting cooperation with Chinese aviation. ❓❓❓❓❓❓What? Why?
It’s definitely better not to let US into China space station and any China’s projects as history clearly show they are not trustworthy, hypocrites and definitely will try to harm or sabotage China projects. Even on earth, we can clearly see how hypocrites, racist, troublemaker, warmonger and and throwing false and baseless accusations just to destabilize China when they can’t compete !!! A leopard will never lose its spot !!!
Greeting from China to everyone. I don't think our Chinese space station is a competitor to the ISS. We all see US and USSR compete with each other. And that's what lead the fall part of USSR. So now we know these things should be dominated by science education and economy instead of politics. This is not a championship for us Chinese. I heard in our country is we plan to build a small scale space station that last ten or more years. And then evaluate its value. If worth our efforts, we maybe expand it or build a new one, otherwise this path will have a end finally like US give up the space shuttles. And ISS you know is an international collaboration project. We Chinese are not silly to compete with all of other parts of the world. So in Chinese media, you will not hear this like what ISS competitor. Instead we Chinese want to participate in the ISS but we can't. Lastly, I think China and US compete with each other mainly in economics. In deed, we China improve our military forces a lot. But it's still far behind the US. And China and US are separated by Pacific Ocean. China are far from Europe too. To be honest, our threat to the west world is far less than Russia.
Yeah it's unfortunate that politics is hindering technological progress. I think China is considered a huge threat because it's the only country capable of competing with the US dollar. Just look at how the US tries everything to stop the belt and road initiative to progress further. But the US is going to fail, 138 countries already signed a cooperation agreement with China.
This is an exciting time. The Chinese have said international cooperation is welcomed and it appears that out of all nations, Italian astronauts would most likely be the first non Chinese to be in the Chinese station, since they already had agreements "to cooperate on long-term human spaceflight activities". But given the attitude of latest US administrations that are determined to have China replaced Russia (or North Korea) as their biggest enemy, chance of wide scale international human spaceflight cooperation seems limited...but let's check back in a few years while the Chinese station is complete and the ISS retires.
Thanks for the video. It is Shen Zhou, not Shen Zhu. It took me a few secs to realize what you were referring to. LOL, but thanks. Very informative video.
In theory, station modules are interchangable (and modules on the ISS have sometimes been moved from one port to another), but it is generally not done without a good reason.
The mere fact that a Russian/Soviet SM (itself a space station) and FGB (autonomous module) are attached to a USOS (Unity) module, and therefore the ISS, shows that this is exactly what happened. Two craft from very different design philosophies and agencies, and nations, have been permanently docked together for 20+ years.
I’ve never heard anyone say Canada is too far south!
maybe Santa :)
Don't worry, the magnetic poles ging to flip soon.
@@quazar5017 But we'll still call the one at the "top" north.
@@UncleKennysPlace I'd love living on the southern hemisphere. It'd be such nice weather!
*laughs in Svalbard*
42-degrees: the ultimate inclination for life, the universe, and everything.
i see what you did that reference
42...the wrong answer...the wrong question.
I'm inclined to agree with you! 😅
@@SparrowHawk183 😮
...but what is the question?
We need to launch a bigger spaceship to find out!:)
Thanks for the video Scott!
Ayyee the legend is here
Last video about Bowling Pinsetter Machine, was fun.
Omg I love your vids
Could you please make a tiangong animation?😀😀😀
The lord has commented
8:16 Ah yes, Canada. Noted for being in the tropics.
@@JohnnyWednesday To do what? Say sorry? 🙄😁
@@JohnnyWednesday Oof. That was a sticky situation. I'm a stickler for puns. Get it? Stick-ler? 👌
Maybe with global warming, it will be tropical weather one day? 😁
Canada: very well known for sunny beaches on the warm ocean.
LOL - "too far south"? Checks Google Earth. Um, Scott? Scott?
/me living in NE BC at around 55° N...
In this crazy world I am always excited to see a new video from Scott Manley
With a new into
yes, it makes you say "YES another Space Video worth watching!"
Forgive him, Scott is from Scotland. Everything half way civilised is South of Scotland ...
"I think that Canada is too far south" - Scott Manley.. First time in the history of mankind that that phrase has ever been uttered.. :D
7 degrees shy of the North Pole
There is only one country in the world called the United States. What is Canada？
@@Master_Ed Ameerika
wrr,idts
Scott does such a great job of explaining and delving in. Love it !
The total scale of the station is not decided yet. At least 66 tons including 3 modules, each one 22 tons, excluding Tianzhou and Shenzhou. In 2024 a telescope will be implemented to make it around 80 tons. Later on, if needed, the sister of Tianhe will be docked to make it over 100 tons. Rumor says also there will be an Italian module but not sure yet. So the scale can be from 66 tons up to 120 tons.
Chinese space telescope won't dock with space station, instead flying on the same orbit with a distance to avoid vibration and other interference, which would be quite fun to watch on the ground.
Yes, the "Core Module II" (or as you call it "sister Tianhe") is one of the options. Should that be launched, two additional laboratory modules would be launched. I honestly hope that this will happen.
And as far as I know, news say some European astronauts are "learning Mandarin" right now. I hope future international cooperation will not be hindered by political disputes.
US: blocks China from the ISS
China: fine, i'll do it myself
@Concerned Citizen that shit doesn't matter anymore cuz China is now the new world leader and We(USA) are in clearly, Vulgar and fast decline now!
@Concerned Citizen Still ignorant a f
@Concerned Citizen Illegal immigration is unlikely to be an isse in space for a long time to come, lol.
@Concerned Citizen your comment also has nothing to do with reality either.
china will simply send you back if you don't have papers.
@@jordancarpenter4093 So confident but so incredibly ignorant and incorrect.
I like the new colourful spaceship, with jeb!
They are using a Star Trekish color scheme and even the interior furnishing is like a Federation starship as the Star Trek moviesis very popular in China probably more so then here with the younger generation in North America ! ruclips.net/video/fYjjH19iDfw/видео.html
Yeah same =)
@@etow8034 he's talking about the video intro.
2:38 they dock like i dock in kerbal space program:
way too damn fast
edit: wow this blew up, hopefully tiangong station won't
i think that was a slight timelapse otherwise it would be like watching dragon's docking with the iss
That vibration does not inspire confidence...
Samir you are breaking the spacecraft!
@@aelonath lmao I am dying
That video gave me a heart attack
Nice one Scott, I really enjoyed that and I love the way you brought us together on the thought process of the reality we do want and that is a peaceful working relationship with other countries in outer space as well as on the ground…
🙏🏻
No, this is for military purpose
friendly tip, when pronouncing mandarin, the "q"s are soft like "ch" as in "cheese", so "jiuquan" would be more like "jiu-chuan"
@Redgren Grumbholdt wine creek
qanks
@@mmgg18 Regionally, you're right, but properly it's more like “Jew” than Joe. But I've heard it both ways: the language is a b**** to learn that way, everyone has a different way to pronounce words beyond just the tone!
@Redgren Grumbholdt 他急了！他急了！
Soon we will have to rename the ISS to the "A Few Nations Space Station"
The Wealthy Country Space Club
ESA alone makes it more than "few"
The "Everybody but those two countries nobody likes" Station.
"Nations that are not committing genocide against its own ethnic minorities Space Station"
@@jadefalcon001 Nice! I bet there's a way to say that as one long compound word in German...
Congratulations to China for new space station, and nice intro Scott👌.
Keeping the docking stations standardized was the best decision ever ! if it was a proprietary attachment then you would need adapters !
Dongles sold separately
IIRC the standardization was a result of the Apollo/Soyuz docking missions.
Imagine if they had to keep rolling the craft 180 degrees to get it to go in the right way
@@Xatzimi Like they do on ISS you mean?
@@Xatzimi How about 60°?
"Leak a memo that the Chinese have a secret base on Mars. We'll be there in 6 months" ~Niel DeGrasse Tyson
Had von Braun decided to become a U.S. automobile industrialist in 1950 instead of continuing rocketry, he could have bankrolled and developed a Mars mission by 1975 and his company-following his death-a base by 1995*.
No reusability, just brute-force big dumb boosters with two dozen F-1 class engines per, and not even bother with a Moon mission.
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*Yes, I'm glossing over a mess of details (radiation; crew would be sent up on much smaller, man-rated, rockets, etc. etc.)
It is much harder to put humans on Mars than everybody appears to think.
@@-danR Of course if he was an automobile engineer he might not have had any official plans to actually create spacecraft.
@@-danR He had the talent, but the math doesn't add up for money or time. The Space Race cost (inflation-adjusted) $300 Billion and 15 years just to get a few days on the Moon, a few times. And that was with the resources and political commitment of a mobilized superpower nation. Assuming he could cut the cost 10x, that's still $30 billion. Since you have to sell pieces of a company to scale it, he would have a decreasing percentage of the profit to spend, even if the total dollar amount kept increasing. He would have to sell tens of millions of cars before he would have the money to reach the Moon, and that's assuming he could do it 10x cheaper. He definitely couldn't match the speed of the program. Mars would be totally out of the question in the 20th century.
@@-danR Except he didn't have any exceptional automotive experience
And there's almost no way a for-profit car company is going to keep burning money on a mars base after its CEO stops making it.
You know it's gonna be a good day when there's a new Scott Manley video
"Canada is too far south" - Scott Manley
Scott, you preempted my thoughts on 'universal docking adaptors installed on the Chinese (Kerbal looking) station. Adaptability is a good thing as politics should never over rule the possibility of trying to save lives in danger in space. The maritime code here on Earth never gives it a second thought about not saving lives at sea from ANY country. Astronauts/ Cosmonauts, whatever, deserve that flexible support from the worlds space agencies.
While no situations have arose to test it, I think legally speaking space is considered a massive 'ocean' and 'maritime' law still applies, especially in the case of rescue. If able, any spacecraft would be obligated to come to the aid of another except if it put the lives of the rescuers in considerable risk.
EDIT- The Agreement on the Rescue of Astronauts resolution of 1968 does just that, based on common maritime law but designed specifically for space. All of the world's major space powers, and even most who don't even have space programs, are signatories for it. So yes, any astronaut/cosmonaut stranded in space would receive rescue efforts from all craft able to do so.
Nice Scott, great to see that you don't have bias and hope for mankind as whole working together for the space exploration and to solve the problems we face today.
Nice save at the end bubba! 👌 your voice was ready to quit on ya! 😅🤣
Random, but the moment when mentioning the 13 on board ISS in 2009, that's my Godmother! :-)
Mechanical compatibility of docking systems is a wise move by China. It is great to see China joining nations with a permanent presence in space. It was about time too!
Unfortunately, China tried to join in the international efforts, but these efforts were blocked by the US for political reasons. It's a nice move by my country to elect the universally adaptable docking system. I hope International cooperations can make the world a better place.
@@SomeoneFromBeijing All the best to CNSA from India
"I think Canada is too far south." - Not a sentence I would have expected.
I think he meant the station will be too far south for a Canadian observer.
All depends what part.
When I lived in Ottawa, the summers would regularly hit 40 to 45 degrees Celsius with the humidity. And the winters would get to -40 to -45 degrees Celsius with the wind chill in the winter. It's the most extreme temperature range out of any capital in the world.
As a Canadian, yes.
It was a case of Scott getting caught midstream in the change of thought before the change of speech. He does really well at contemporaneous speech. You don't see many , if any, edits in his narrative. As a Canadian.. I knew what he meant. lol
"I think Canada is too far south."
-Scott Manley, 2021
Amazing really, the ISS and now the Chinese Space Station up there as well, technological marvels both! Seems strange there’s literally no genuine footage of them being put together though, would have thought everyone would like to see how such pinnacles of engineering were constructed.
There’s footage of the ISS’s construction, it’s just hard to find
That’s the future I want too, Scott. Another video launched. Well done, Sir.
I want that future, too.
Just like space travel itself...it can be done.
We are just beginning commercial space flight. Early days, like the spacex Dragon capsule is still only the model T and things will advance logarithmically faster as time goes by.
So do I! Hopefully enough of us in China, Europe and US want that future that eventually we will get it. :)
@@PhilLesh69 do you mean logarithmically... or maybe exponentially? :)
Always love seeing new videos from Scott manley
You should see his OnlyFans
I lived in China,，and
I gained some confidence in world peace after watching your video. thx
get outta there, save yourself
@Archers Be Ready Because genocide is “US propaganda.” Stop watching Chinese propaganda you complacent dunce.
@Archers Be Ready Lol, you are literally a Chinese bot. Haven’t had too many conversations with an AI. Let’s see how this plays out ;)
@Archers Be Ready I’m really happy for China and its accomplishments. All unfounded western allegations of Chinese atrocities are lies. I’m with you China... with you to the stars.
@@Spooglecraft China is safer than US. Fact
Fannnnncy intro! I love that everyone is getting into space now, the more competition the faster we are going to be a true spacefaring civilization :)
I love that’s there’s a kerbal in the window lol
What's that, a gaycraft in space 🚀?
@@nneeerrrd ?
'more competition', how does that work when China waits for other nations to do the R&D work. The competition scene hasn't changed
@@tomservo5007 Just the fact that they are putting stuff in space is going to push the leaders in this country to "do something". It would not suprise me at all if some extra funding for HLS suddenly is found to get one of the other 2 landers funded just from the PR of China did "x"
Building Lego in one window, discussing the Chinese space station in another - both new videos! Scott Manley takes over RUclips!
Congratulations to China and have a safe journey for those 3 astronauts. Well done.
And we don't care that you made the whole world sick and killed over 6 million people world wide including over 600,000 Americans. Well gone China.
@@ellisjk1409 And you thin we care about your failure to contain /control?? whatever you can do to stop the pandemic within your territories. LOL, you do remind us that you initiated deathly diseases over centuries and killed over 40 million population world wide excluding those killed in war and slavery. Shame of you.
@@sysosoalan1260 I don't remember doing any of those things but I do remember China and their Wuhan lab releasing the deadly covid-19 virus on the world. China is the enemy here and so are you if you support them. Do you want you and your family to wear masks and carry vaccine passports your entire life? Democrats here do and it's disgusting. China and the CCP did this to us and I for one will not let the world forget. Nuke China.
I want to read the paper analyzing the use of serif vs non-serif fonts in a technical context between China and the west
Have at it Riley! Come back and give us a synopsis.
shhhhhhh! then everybody will be doing it!
@@JohnnyWednesday I was wondering about that. There's symbolic weight to character styles, and that probably looks a lot different depending on which character set you're saturated with
@@JohnnyWednesday export restrictions maybe
How about that genocide tho?
Scott rocking an Outer Wilds Ventures shirt, what a legend.
I was just gonna type that! Haha, great game. DLC coming out soon btw! 😄😂
@@jangruber42 serious?
@@birkbuscher6571 Yup. It was leaked yesterday. My friend told me about it. Should come out in the beginning of May
@@jangruber42 hmmm im unsure how to feel about this.
While this sounds awesome i feel like the game had the best end to it i could ask for
@@birkbuscher6571 Bruh, i got chills just with the DLC name. "Echoes of the eye"
Sir, your pronunciation of these professional Chinese words is cute but relatively clear, no worries about it!
I dont know about that
Not really, he is butchering them. Jiuquan suffered particularly hard. But that's nothing a week or two of practice won't fix. 好好学习天天向上
@@cocik Yea Jiuquan was really off, tiangong tianhe etc were alright
I think he may have chance to speak these words more often in future, he will be able to pronounce with more practice.
@@enzhus Aye!
The Tianhe core module's weight is 22. 5 tons. The two experiment module and Xuntian telescope will also be over 20 tons. If there's need for international cooperation in the future. Tianhe core module can dock with another core module(and two more experiment module on it) and make the station reach 180 tons.
This new station will have the most capabilities that ISS has. The first 3 modules have 23 experiment cabins while ISS have 31 in total. And benefit from the technological progress in the last 20 years, CSS station's flexible solar panels have 30%+ photovoltaic efficiency, over two times of those on ISS. It's said that the power generation ability of CSS will eventually reach 50%+ of ISS.
Thank you for this awesome video as usual. I was looking forward to hearing about the Chinese launch!
Thanks Scott. It would be interesting if at some point you could do a history of all the space stations to date - from Skylab to the present: US, Russia, China and International.
April 1971-1971 First Space Station, 1st gen Salyut 1(salute)/DOS-1 (USSR); 1972-73 DOS-2, OPS-1/Almaz(diamond/military), DOS-3 all launched then failed (USSR);
1973-1979 Skylab (USA); 1974-1975 Salyut 3/OPS-2/Almaz (military/mounted cannon) (USSR); 1974-1977 Salyut 4/DOS-4 (USSR); 1976-1977 Salyut 5/OPS-3/Almaz (military) (USSR);
1977-1982 2nd gen Salyut 6/DOS-5 (USSR); 1982-1991 2nd gen Salyut 7/DOS-6 (USSR); 1986-2001 3rd gen Mir(Peace/World)/DOS-7 (USSR/Russia); 2000-? 3rd gen Zvezda(star)/DOS-8 (ISS SM);
1998-? ISS (See Zvezda/DOS-8) (Multi); 2011-2018 Tiangong 1 (PRC); 2016-2019 Tiangong 2 (PRC); 2021-? Tianhe (PRC)...
@@dramaticusflatudicus3839 Is YOUR name Scott, dramaqueen?
@@drteknical6571 Well, it just might be...
I think you mean from Salyut 1 to the present.
I like how Scott apologizes for mispronouncing chinese names and then mispronounces "zvezdA"
he's a ccp shill ofc
Russian isn't super easy either
Yeah, he apologizes about his Russian too, from time to time! But not his English, thank you very much. ;-)
I still haven’t heard him pronounce anything as bad as Saturn that one time
Like the NBA, he's a CCP (Chicom) shill
Ah, the international docking standard... Thanks to Margo and Sergei for that design 😉
Lets hope they don't have any problems with their boosters
当年国际空间站不带我们玩，只能自己搞。
事实证明这条自力更生的路虽然来的相当不易，但是是值得的
感谢老美当年不带我们玩，也要感谢川建国禁卖中国芯片，这才给我们更多机会发展自己的技术
Tiangong was an interesting craft. My theory was that it was intended to test rendezvous and docking more so than anything else. So they just put some life support equipment into it and called in a space station. Personally I suspect it was also a prototype for a large "Progress" style vehicle. BTW, I like your models.
Officially the Tiangong 1 & 2 are called "target spacecrafts", not space stations.
Bro.. Your deduction skills are close to legendary. Bravo.
As a Chinese, I have a lot to say about my government. But that's not the matter here.
Space exploration is for all mankind. I hope countries can get over their political differences and work together for a common future.
And thank you Scott for being so apolitical when talking about space. Space should not be political, but it unfortunately is.
For safety it makes sense for compatible docking in case of emergency on either station
I don’t know why you wouldn’t just head home to earth. O.o
@@liesdamnlies3372 if something happened to their orbiter it would be nice to find some international help
Assuming that for some reason the spacecraft couldn’t safely land, the plane change maneuver required between the ISS and Chinese station probably requires more delta-v than any existing manned spacecraft, certainly those heading for the space stations. Only Orion and Starship could make the trip.
Aren’t the orbits too different? If changing inclination during launch with a dogleg is probably too hard for Soyuz then there’s no way that you could do it once on orbit.
@@jackgibbons6013 the US could launch an entirely new orbiter from Kenedy and the russia could launch their orbiter too , it doesn't need to be an orbiting spacecraft since China may ran out of rockets at that time and the only nation that produces the rocket regularly are the US and Russian
End of Russia-US collaboration in space makes me sad ngl. Ever since Apollo-Soyuz :(
Yeah, it's the one thing where we get along in and now it's gonna be completely ruined. Hoping SpaceX will be able to launch some Cosmonauts to the ISS to keep relations in good graces.
@@russellpuff1996 really sucks
Starship comes into play it won't really matter, the rest of the nations of the world can do what they want of course.
@@russellpuff1996 hmm for that to happen spacex would need to let the cosmonauts fly for free. i guess as long as the russians have their own possibility to fly to the iss, they dont want to pay spacex or nasa for it.
@@emmerich2080 NASA and Roscosmos have done ride swaps for a long time. An American rides on a Russian rocket, and a Russian rides on an American rocket. The only difference right now is that Roscosmos has been hesitant towards commercial systems, saying they want to see more flights before committing.
i watched stowaway tonight, and lo and behold if i didnt hear Scott during the opening sequence at Capcom! nice!
What happened in the end......?? Got sook bored didn't carry on watching
@@jamessteven711 well, too be honest, the movie didnt leave much of an impression cause i already forgot what happened.. Never said the movie was good lol
2:58 I think it's not bad, except you're missing the rising tone during the second character. A bit similar to how you raise the tone at the end of a question in English. The way you said it sounds a bit like the tone going down.
If you look at the Pinyin, the lines above the letters indicate the direction in which the tone goes (Tiānhé). Keep in mind, it's not like the way those are used in French or Dutch, it only affects the tone. Another trick is to copy paste the chinese characters (天和) into Google Translate and asking it to pronounce it for you ;)
But if there are native mandarin speakers here, feel free to correct me. The only experience I have is 577 days of duolingo :P
Cool, mad props. On a lighter note: Are you preparing for our new overlords?
Those "Tian"'s should sound more like Tien or t-yen. The a's are much less vocalised in the back part of a word and sound more like e's.
Google's pronounce is a good shout, just don't press the one on the English side or you get Tea An Hay :D
Scott's Jiuquan and Shenzhou were too far from discernable though. I wish CNSA could provide translated names based on meanings instead of plain pronunciation for international use.
@@auferstandenausruinen They did though
天和 (Tiānhé) : Heaven's Harmony
天宫 (Tiāngōng) : Heaven's Palace
神舟 (Shénzhōu) : Divine's Ark
酒泉(Jiǔquán) this is a city btw: Wine's Spring
mad props to you for holding in that cough at the end if im not mistaken hahaha
Hiccups
Sounded like dry vocal folds
@@scottmanley
8:15 "I think Canada's too far south." Quite a hiccup.
@@scottmanley Which beer was it?
regarding Russia and the inclination problem: Soyuz could also launch from French Guiana...
Space race 2: Electric boogaloo
Congratulations to the Chinese. I wish them well with their space station, and I hope that everyone can figure out a way to cooperate in the future, with traffic going freely between stations and facilities regardless of its origin. Whatever is happening on the ground we should cooperate in space. It's a different realm where everyone is equally vulnerable. Radiation and micrometeorites don't care what country you were born in.
This is a very naive comment. This will be used against us all.
The US evil Zionist regime wanted to humiliate the Chinese by not letting them involve in the International Space Station look today the Chinese are very happy people now the same country's ar very sad now
As a Chinese physicist, I personally welcome all forms of space cooperation, all mankind shares one future and we should work together to make it as good as possible!
令人遺憾的是，你看看這個視頻下的國外評論，還是一堆帶著懷疑的目光不懷好意的猜測中國意圖，仿佛他們的腦子壞掉了一般。
And your government personally believes in pilfering as much U.S. intellectual property it can get by server-hacking. Very cooperative.
@@-danR First of all, Chinese space tech is based on Russian technology. Also, let me remind you that your entire space program was founded by scientists stolen from Nazi Germany. Go figure.
@@-danR Yes, the U.S. steals the most
@@licheink6281 不必要跟他们计较。西方势力发达了几十年，现在看东方国家崛起肯定不服。嚷嚷的人都是愚昧的
It's always really cool to see a new space station module assembled in a cleanroom. Haven't been able to see that for a hot minute.
@@supercarserious7489I just like seeing these massive payloads like it’s KSP or something. The spacecraft and launch vehicle doesn’t do it for me for some reason xD
8:16 "Canada's too far south" 🤣
The only time that has ever been said. As a Canadian, I approve of this. Now I just with the weather would follow suit.
I came to the comments immediately on hearing that to say the same thing
yeah, about 380 degrees too far south.
Well said. It would be wonderful if we can find a way to work together.
Should we despite the chinese government perpetuating genocide as we speak?
@@johndanger8717 Those are "the political reasons". But in long run war over space would not be good for anyone.
@ThePolarised No country can even compare with the CCP when it comes to killing its own population. Go take a history lesson on Cultural revolution, great leap forward, Tiananmen square massacre, etc.
@@sarasvensson4586 Maybe you didn't notice but Russia and USA (aka they did the same) are also involved. I absolutely agree that situation in China is bad and I agree why pressure should be put to solve those issues. But saying that they should not be allowed on principle is something absolutely self-righteus. That is not how you make world better place.
@@sarasvensson4586 Don’t live in the lies of BBC&CNN which make you brainwashed. You really need a doctor
I watched the live coverage last night along with ESA launch and SpaceX launch.
SpaceX always does the best job on streaming, but I must say China's streaming was less boring than ESA's.
RocketLab also does pretty good job on streaming
Let's not forget that China initially wanted to participate on the ISS, but US politics got in the way and America officially banned them. Now they're doing their own thing. Kinda impressed.
Exactly!
Yes because China was blameless in all of that right? /s
@@NZBigfoot China tried to hack the US government. So did Russia. And the US doubtless did likewise. But at the time, NASA needed the Soyuz to get to the ISS whereas China didn't really have much to offer. It is my opinion that if China had a lot to offer back then, they might have been included aboard the ISS. I do get your point that nChina isn't blameless in all of this. I'm just acknowledging that Russia should have caught heat for its history of espionage against the US. Most countries would just bow out of the space game, because getting banned from being on the ISS is a pretty substantial block. But they decided to just do it on their own. Same deal with the Artemis program: it's billed as an international effort led by the US, but my understanding is that China wasn't even offered a chance to become a signatory to the Artemis Accords, and they're doing their own thing with moon exploration too. My point is, barring China will probably turn out to be a bad long-term move for the US, because they basically induced a major player in the race to industrialize space. Even though it is my opinion that completely banning China from working with the US was an extreme response to the JPL hacking incident, I also appreciate (to your point) how bad it looked. Hopefully you can appreciate some parts of my opinion, I definitely get what you're saying. Peace ☮️
@@ozzyfromspace Dude in the early 1990s China didn't even have access to the internet. How can you hack into someone else's computer?
@@donaldli1864 The Chinese JPL hacks occurred over 2010 and 2011, with a total log of 5408 security incidents [1]. The US Government proceeded to ban China from collaborating with them in April of 2011, as written in Public Law 112-10, Sec. 1340 [2]
[1] www.foxnews.com/science/chinese-hackers-took-over-nasas-jet-propulsion-lab-inspector-general-reveals
[2] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_exclusion_policy_of_NASA
Thank you so much for covering this launch in a neutral and optimistic manner, as I'm sure you're aware it's been kind of hard to get straightforward information from social media sites here in the states due to, well... I guess it comes down to propaganda. :(
I mean taking a negative stance against a government that is currently carrying out a genocide is pretty reasonable.
@@Ammoniummetavanadate There is no genocide, Human Rights Watch specifically said there's no genocide. There are internment camps which are very similar to what US is still doing in Guantanamo Bay.
@@Ammoniummetavanadate Genocide, you say ?? Ya ah.... they are as real as the WMDs in Iraq and not forgetting the displaying of washing powder in UN.
@@trendhouse6799 lol, CCP shills out in full force.
Get lost you communist bandit.
As a person sensitive to flashing lights, this is the best intro yet! Thank you!! Usually I press play on your videos and close my eyes. Heh
You could also just skip first few seconds
You could rappid close eyes only during flashes.
can people like you stare at a fire?
Weak.
Thank you!
Re: Licensed - I'm glad you mentioned. I kept trying to figure out why the station looked so... Russian
All wheels have to be circular, right?
@@ЯнХай Not really. For example, wheels for bulldozers are easily distinguishable from car wheels. And if we just focus on car wheels, the number of designs of tires and wheels are innumerable. If you know a few things about them, their origins will stand out like a sore thumb.
Same deal here. Russian spacecraft design was set back in the 1960s using aesthetic choices that were culturally popular at the time. With Russian hardware getting effectively stuck in that timeframe, there is a specific Soyuz "look" about Russian space hardware. i.e. The shape of the docking bell, the flare of the skirts, etc. This can be quite obvious when you look closely at the shape of the Russian modules of the ISS vs the American modules.
The Chinese design looked way too much like the Soyuz designs when Scott showed them. None of the aesthetics of the Chinese hardware. Ergo why it made sense that it was licensed from the Russians.
Can you find any information that the core station is "licensed" by the Russians, it is not like space station is being mass produced and you can get a license, make one and shoot it to space. Look at the internal of the module and I don't see anything Russian about it. Russian technology involved? No doubt, for example the Shenzhou was a licensed modification of the Russian Soyuz where they enlarged and improved it. It seems like there is a tendency that people automatically associate the latest Chinese technologies as clones/copies/or licensed copies with an eye check, I believe that this has to do with the fact that many have difficulty in accepting the rise of China and in order to clam oneself emotionally they often disregard the latest Chinese achievements or their technological breakthrough by "proofing" that they latest achievement is just another reproduced piece of 20 years old Russian technology. Extremely dangerous trend.
@@aa1944-k2r Scott literally says in the video that the station modules are based on designs "licensed from the Russians". This being Scott Manley, I trust his research.
@@thewiirocks watch the video again and avoid twisting facts
Haha... I continue to see you struggle with Mandarin pronunciations. … Fun fact: Type in the phrase "wine spring" in google translate, Chinese translation 酒泉 (JiuQuan) will show up which is also the name of China's rocket launch center in the northwest mentioned by you (pronounced Jiǔquán or Jiu-Chuan). The city was named by Emperor Han in 121 BC who allegedly pour wine into a water spring as a reward to his troops for a major battle won. I enjoy all your videos, thanks. I share your vision that all to work together peacefully and let us keep the politics out of space. Like you say, "Fly safely without the "wine spring" haha ...."
He shoulda just given them the wine. Don't want no watered-down wine after battle.
Well Scott pronounces wh as hw all the time.
Their first station was almost disposable. It was sent to its destruction shortly after the launch. Just long enough for a few people to visit a few times and that was it. I didn't hear you mention how long it's going to be in service. Hard to believe there's that much interior space because the modules look small from the outside.
Same for Skylab and Salyut Station, let's not forget the Mir had gone down.
This one is supposed to have a lifespan of 10+ years. Also there are multiple missions over the next 2 years to add on a number of units to the the station. This is just the core unit. It will become larger....albeit not as large as the ISS. But remember that part of the ISS is not American, it is also composed of Russian units
unless uncoordinated unplanned and uncontrolled, this is normal, its the End of Life for that station, and it gets de-orbited (that's the burning up bit) and dropped in to the South Pacific Ocean Uninhabited Area (spacecraft cemetery). Early generation space stations were monolithic and were built on Earth ready to operate straight away once in orbit. That meant all the crew provisions, life support and fuel were on the station already, and when it ran out, that meant the station had reached its End of Life, and so de-orbit was next. Tiangong 1 and 2 were mostly like that, and in fact looked a lot like the early DOS/Almaz(diamond) Soviet space stations in configuration and size, and even in lifespan intent.
Nice shirt, I just started playing that game and it's amazing!
Don't worry Scott, your pronunciation is acceptable for a non-Chinese speaker. Btw afaik Tiangong will be the name of the overall station once fully assembled; I believe the name was already coined years ago. It means "Palace in Heaven", an important construct of Chinese folk mythology.
I like how China used its own mythology for naming. It's bo better than our naming tradition! (I'm from Russia)
@@BestHakaseChina does use a lot of "socialist China" values or events/names of importance too. "Long March" series of rockets, for example.
Now if only they didn't throw their space trash in an uncontrolled reentry down to Earth
This is good news, because competition is always good. I'd be just as glad to see cooperation instead.
China hope.but US won’t
Does that mean we'll now call the other one the MISS (Mostly International Space Station) ?
it's always MISS, China was never allowed to use ISS
I'm waiting for someone to name a space station the "Oberth" or the "Tsiolkovsky," those being the first two men who came up with the idea of a practical orbital space habitat. Or you could name it the Edward Everett Hale memorial space station after the man who arguably described the first orbital space station in his novelette _The Brick Moon_ in 1869.
I am surprised India never sent people to the ISS tho
International really just means there are at least 2 countries involved, not that every country is involved.
@@tarmaque Or Arthur C. Clarke who invented the communications satellite. Although he thought that they would be manned and origionate programming on board.
First western channel talking about the Russian modules. Amazing 👍
That intro was epic, oh and Long March 5 as well
Thanks!
Whoa! New intro is 🔥
If you're actually endeavouring to get the Mandarin pronunciation close to right, you should probably look up what the letter-sound correspondences in Pinyin are, because they're pretty regular, but not intuitive for English speakers. For example, Pinyin represents a sound more like an English "ch" sound and not at all like a "k" sound.
(The "ch" is a different sound like the English "ch" sound, and the distinction is generally difficult for English speakers. Pinyin , , and are sort of like English "ch", "j", and "sh" with the tip of the tongue pointing forward, whereas , , and are sort of like English "ch", "j", and "sh" with the tip of the tongue curled back like "retroflex r"*, which, incidentally, is also how Pinyin is pronounced. , , and , are a similar series sort of like "ts", "dz", and "s". There is also quite a bit room for confusion with the vowels and also how the interact with and : E.g., , , and (?==) are each often one sound not two, sounds like English "uh", or [ə], when not next to other vowels, can sometimes sound somewhat similar or even like a "retroflex r", and of course the tones are a thing and often not written.) (I say "sort of" in the previous parenthetical in mostly because , , and , as well as , , and , are not actually voiced, but just unaspirated.)
*A "retroflex r" is a common pronunciation of the English "r", though I realize now that it's definitely not your pronunciation.
Also, I think it would be perfectly fine if you just matched the sounds approximately to English sounds (though preferably to actually close ones, like -to-"ch" rather than -to-"k"). I actually think it might be a little jarring if you actually always said the Chinese words with perfect Mandarin pronunciations, including the tones.
I have question:
When looking at Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Orion etc flotation system is very visible, but in Dragon it is not. Why?
Thanks for the info did not know this
They have a flotation device added by divers to keep them in the correct orientation in the water during crew egress. Crew dragon gets craned onboard ship before the crew gets out. The only onboard flotation devices are the turnover bags on the wide conical capsules like apollo and orion. Those designs have two stable flotation modes, point up and point down so they need the spherical floats at the top.
@@JohnnyWednesday It also eased the movement a bit. You know they said it was a good spacecraft but a lousy boat.
Congratulations China! I'm looking forward to watch the station grow. Also excited to see what we learn from the cancer tumor experiment.
If things are going well, we don’t go MAD. May be we can hang out up there .
Good coverage, great gesture to make an effort to pronounce the Chinese names. +1 :)
The only thing I might have quibbled about is at 10:20, when you said: "In the future, maybe there is some way to bring China's work into the international community in a way that the U.S. is happy.."
On the face of it, China's space work already is international and community-minded. However, what you said is a correct description of the geopolitical status quo, provided one realises that whenever Americans _et al._ say "the international community", that means _"a group of vassals and clients that take orders from Washington and accept America as the group's gatekeeper, while carrying a name that makes it sound like the U.S. actually cared for genuine multilateralism, which they don't."_ In that sense, you're quite correct, it is indeed up to America whether they allow China into "the international community". Hence, none of your words here were unfair. It's an accurate description using the official standard American terminology. It just so happens that the standard American terminology is officially hypocritical and deceptive, and suggestive of a multilateralism that doesn't actually exist within "the international community", beause they don't want it to exist. "The international community" is one of those dog whistles that you can't fail to notice once attuned to it. Whenever Western media say "the international community", read America and the gang. It's a way of pretending to speak for most of the people of the world, when they really, really don't.
The day the first fully loaded manned starship launches will create a new record for number of people in space.
@@SF-tb4kb ...SpaceX does create a lot of bend VA steel in testing...but Crew Dragon showed they do it differently once humans are meant to be onboard.
@@SF-tb4kb spaceX will wait until the starship version they use has done 100s of completely successful unscrewed missions before having any crew. they wouldn't want to kill hundreds of people.
Who knows when that will happen? And who knows what the record will be at that point?
@@sirjeffels4020 That probably would mean a fully realized Starlink network !!!
Scott, I loved the video! except fort the fact fact that it was 30s tooo fast for my local wing restaurant during lockdown it would be perfect. (Sarcasm) I love the vids. Keep em' coming!!!
That's the future I want, too! All the space programs at once haha
Been waiting for this!
Nice video Scoot, any review on the recent China 2nd module?
Currently attached to Tianhe are Tianzhou-2 and Shenzhou-12, a cargo spacecraft and crew spacecraft. The actual modules Mengtian and Wentian won't launch till 2022.
With Starship's 100 ton to orbit capacity
has there been any talk of utilizing this for the next ISS
100 ton sections seem like a big step towards a 2001 style operation
What starship? So far there is only raptor mounted on a silo tower.
Hello, from Newfoundland, Canada!
Hi neighbour! From Nova Scotia :)
Your to far south
single stage to orbit on a cryo rocket deserves props, when putting that kind if mass up.
Scott I bet that the Chinese docking adaptors can dock at ISS now with any changes, If I was china I would have built it that away it make it easier for other countries to send "items" to my station
That core stage is now space debris, and it will come down uncontrolled, just like the previous Long March 5B, parts of which came down on top of a village in Ivory Coast. Not awesome.
Dont disagree, but wont it burn up during re-entry. The LM 5B didn't reach orbit did it?
@@GimbleOnDew It's 20 tons of booster. That's enormous, and unfortunately it won't all burn up.
I mean what can you do? Maybe some RCS to turn around and deorbit? Most rocket second stages are just straight space debris
@@chengcao418 They could at least provide for a manner of de-orbiting it in a controlled manner, over an empty patch of ocean.
@@chuckvanderbildt This is China, out of sight, out of mind...
Everyone: oh nice the Chinese are making another space station, how cool
Residents of villages down range from the launch site: Wouldn’t have said it exactly like that
These are launched from the island of Hai Nan, and launch over water.
Ironically, the new rockets using RP-1/LOX or H2/LOX are launching from there, while the older rockets using the very toxic propellants are still launching from the Xi Chang launch site
over villages. And by villages they mean cities with a million population.
Another great video. Thanks Scott.
being a chinese. I am very confused. China has invited the United States into the space station many times, friendly.
In fact, the China government is already very friendly because I personally don't want the United States to participate(It's just my opinion) . But only when each country cooperates can we have a better future.
However, the U.S. is working hard to enact a law prohibiting cooperation with Chinese aviation.
❓❓❓❓❓❓What? Why?
Hard to do that in an idealized infinitely small elevator.
It’s definitely better not to let US into China space station and any China’s projects as history clearly show they are not trustworthy, hypocrites and definitely will try to harm or sabotage China projects. Even on earth, we can clearly see how hypocrites, racist, troublemaker, warmonger and and throwing false and baseless accusations just to destabilize China when they can’t compete !!! A leopard will never lose its spot !!!
Greeting from China to everyone. I don't think our Chinese space station is a competitor to the ISS. We all see US and USSR compete with each other. And that's what lead the fall part of USSR. So now we know these things should be dominated by science education and economy instead of politics. This is not a championship for us Chinese. I heard in our country is we plan to build a small scale space station that last ten or more years. And then evaluate its value. If worth our efforts, we maybe expand it or build a new one, otherwise this path will have a end finally like US give up the space shuttles.
And ISS you know is an international collaboration project. We Chinese are not silly to compete with all of other parts of the world. So in Chinese media, you will not hear this like what ISS competitor. Instead we Chinese want to participate in the ISS but we can't.
Lastly, I think China and US compete with each other mainly in economics. In deed, we China improve our military forces a lot. But it's still far behind the US. And China and US are separated by Pacific Ocean. China are far from Europe too. To be honest, our threat to the west world is far less than Russia.
Yeah it's unfortunate that politics is hindering technological progress. I think China is considered a huge threat because it's the only country capable of competing with the US dollar. Just look at how the US tries everything to stop the belt and road initiative to progress further. But the US is going to fail, 138 countries already signed a cooperation agreement with China.
Thanks Scott, good optimistic approach toward future cooperation. Selfish ambition leads to bad intention.
wow was not expecting this so fast!
That sounded like perfectly cromulent Scottish Mandarin to me.
This is an exciting time. The Chinese have said international cooperation is welcomed and it appears that out of all nations, Italian astronauts would most likely be the first non Chinese to be in the Chinese station, since they already had agreements "to cooperate on long-term human spaceflight activities". But given the attitude of latest US administrations that are determined to have China replaced Russia (or North Korea) as their biggest enemy, chance of wide scale international human spaceflight cooperation seems limited...but let's check back in a few years while the Chinese station is complete and the ISS retires.
“We dont see that quite often”
But I did alot in KSP with core stage to orbit lol.
Please tell me it has a "Made in china" sticker on it.
Turns out the work was outsourced to the US.
@@unexpected2475 Outsourced, that is stolen through industrial espionage and copied.
Thanks for the video. It is Shen Zhou, not Shen Zhu. It took me a few secs to realize what you were referring to. LOL, but thanks. Very informative video.
love the new intro
Thanks!
It would be interesting to see if modules or stations could be inter-changed in space.
No they are cold welded i believe so no changing later on
In theory, station modules are interchangable (and modules on the ISS have sometimes been moved from one port to another), but it is generally not done without a good reason.
The mere fact that a Russian/Soviet SM (itself a space station) and FGB (autonomous module) are attached to a USOS (Unity) module, and therefore the ISS, shows that this is exactly what happened. Two craft from very different design philosophies and agencies, and nations, have been permanently docked together for 20+ years.
The world : everyone we are going to launch a rocket go outside and look
China: Hide!!!
Hopefully one day we can see a chinese spacecraft dock with a US spacecraft
Tianhe-Apollo
@@ВладимирМушенков tianhe-orion
That would be great, the world needs more cooperation with authoritarian regimes.
Ha! You guys wish. Will be Tianhe-Dragon or Tianhe-Starship. ;)
Ditto.