Why China's Shenzhou is Better Than Russia's Soyuz

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  • @csours
    @csours 7 месяцев назад +1533

    If those ex-Soviet engineers are anything like me, they spent the whole time telling their Chinese counterparts: "And I wish I had done this differently, and this, and this ...."

    • @barnabuskorrum4004
      @barnabuskorrum4004 7 месяцев назад +33

      Your planes are falling apart. Get real.

    • @Dunewarrior00
      @Dunewarrior00 7 месяцев назад +176

      Ah the engineer's universal prayer: "I wish I did this differently"

    • @LeafBoye
      @LeafBoye 7 месяцев назад +46

      Ignore that weirdo he's harmless​@@Enxuvjeshxuf

    • @HarmKaban
      @HarmKaban 7 месяцев назад +94

      ​@@barnabuskorrum4004
      1. Your
      2. The planes are falling apart because of mismanagement, not because of the engineers.
      3. You're (which stands for "you are") right in one thing: the American education is trash and getting trashier by the hour all while the Chinese, Indian and especially Russian engineers are less and less likely to immigrate into the United States and save your industry.

    • @randbarrett8706
      @randbarrett8706 7 месяцев назад +3

      Sino Soviet split

  • @Clearwater_WT
    @Clearwater_WT 7 месяцев назад +1057

    I was in primary school in Shenzhen, Guangdong when Shenzhou 5 launched, and on that day the school made all the students gather in the multimedia room (which is like a big big room with projectors and a stage and seats enough for the whole school) and cancelled all the classes for the period when the event is broadcast live on TV. That sure was a good day of no classes, but it also kinda sparked my interest in spaceflight, which I kept to this day.

    • @judet2992
      @judet2992 7 месяцев назад +32

      Amazing!

    • @jackharle1251
      @jackharle1251 7 месяцев назад

      History has proven that China can't be trusted. Should we address their supposed summit of Everest? How about a bioweapon that crashed the World's economy?

    • @bewilderbeestie
      @bewilderbeestie 7 месяцев назад +47

      I remember the same thing happening at my school for the Shuttle maiden flight... and I wasn't even in the US!

    • @donjones4719
      @donjones4719 7 месяцев назад +53

      My school stopped everything so we could watch the first Mercury flight and the first Mercury orbital flight. I was very young, I think I was more amazed that the school owned TVs. And yeah, now I'm old.

    • @penguin44ca
      @penguin44ca 7 месяцев назад +4

      Really? You remember watching the launch he just said was not broadcast?

  • @familyplans3788
    @familyplans3788 7 месяцев назад +1043

    Must be amazing to have the space to safely land a new spacecraft,
    Here in the U.K. the largest area we have uninhabited and empty is the trophy room at Bournemouth Football club

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  7 месяцев назад +269

      There were a couple of runways which were available for the space shuttle in the event of a trans atlantic abort scenario

    • @ivarbrouwer197
      @ivarbrouwer197 7 месяцев назад +48

      There’s Scotland, pretty empty up north…

    • @ivarbrouwer197
      @ivarbrouwer197 7 месяцев назад +19

      @@scottmanley ofcourse the spaceshuttle could target a landing site.. a craft like soyouz is more prone to outside influence and probably bad at targeting a specific point/zone.

    • @Anmeteor9663
      @Anmeteor9663 7 месяцев назад +34

      ​@@scottmanley One was RAF Fairford in Gloucestershire. I was there in May 1983 when Enterprise landed on the piggyback 747. What a day! We were so close at the parking stand that the 747 wingtip was right in front of us.

    • @MrGeforcerFX
      @MrGeforcerFX 7 месяцев назад +17

      @@ivarbrouwer197 The modern capsules are actually pretty steerable on reentry so they can usually aim and get within a couple squaremiles of a target depending on winds. In the Ocean not a huge issue but starliner has to stay within it's landing zone on land.

  • @SF7PAKISTAN
    @SF7PAKISTAN 7 месяцев назад +399

    "Better not to piss in diaper, baby doesn't like it, neither does an adult" has to be one of the best lines ever spoken about human space exploration

    • @Sparweb_Projects
      @Sparweb_Projects 7 месяцев назад +23

      Alan Shepard learned that one the hard way - and he did not even have the diaper!

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 7 месяцев назад +8

      @@Sparweb_Projects true, but he got his "revenge" some years later as commander of Apollo 14!! He even golfed there!! LOL ;D

  • @repatch43
    @repatch43 7 месяцев назад +191

    Several years ago I was in Shanghai for business and being the geek I am visited the science center. They had a massive display about the Chinese space program. I was embarrassed in how little I knew about what their program had accomplished, it was quite impressive.

    • @ulyssis
      @ulyssis 7 месяцев назад +32

      I mentioned what the Chinese have achieved, the a friend of mine, who is an earth scientist working at a prestigious European university, was first puzzled and then surprised after searching online.

    • @SuperCatacata
      @SuperCatacata 7 месяцев назад

      Hard to share it with the world when nearly all forms of social media and regular media used by the outside world are banned.
      There is no shame in not knowing what goes on in a country like that. It's by design of the CCP.

    • @wlyiu4057
      @wlyiu4057 7 месяцев назад

      @@ulyssis I love White people and their subtle racism of low expectations. It makes blindsiding them trivially easy. The best part is they *never* learn.

    • @hindenburgminsky7638
      @hindenburgminsky7638 6 месяцев назад

      USA invented the space technologies. USA established the space industry globally.

    • @XkMeng
      @XkMeng 2 месяца назад +3

      U can't blame yourself, bro. Any achievement or contribution of the Chinese people, if it appears in Western media, is regarded as a "reporting accident."

  • @STho205
    @STho205 7 месяцев назад +104

    This happened 200 years ago with steam locos. The US, new to industrialization, imported Scottish and English locos to get their first RRs operating. US machinists had to fabricate spare parts...then back engineered cloned, but the clones eventually were improved.
    Then they became specialized to the frontier terrain that did not exist in Britain or France....becoming a much more capable loco line for the purpose...and Beitish machine shops started integrating some American innovations to incorporate into their colonial Empire railways.
    Eventually at the end of steam Britain had some beautifully elegant, fast but quaint engines to pull trains through the rolling English countryside. The US had Big Boy and Challengers to drag mile long teains over the Allegheny and Rockys.

    • @howilearned2stopworrying508
      @howilearned2stopworrying508 7 месяцев назад

      gonna write an alternate history novel where the British Empire intentionally supports the Confederacy and sanctions the Union for stealing IP. Maybe at some point the Confederates lose the mainland and have a government in exile on a little island off the coast like Cuba or PR

    • @paulsengupta971
      @paulsengupta971 7 месяцев назад +5

      Also see the Harrier aircraft...

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 7 месяцев назад +4

      Love old trains, hence a whole hobby, industry, restoration, following, etc. today devoted to their construction, and layouts as models, worldwide. A most lovely innovation was steam, for any vehicles' power, for example.
      High art and engineering for us essentially lowly stupid little f'ing monkeys, I think!! ;D LOL

    • @DaniEles-rc7ij
      @DaniEles-rc7ij 5 месяцев назад +2

      And those trains are with you now? America lost that race also... CHINA has better faster and cheaper LOCOS

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@DaniEles-rc7ij Yup, true; China certainly is "Loco"!! LOL ;D

  • @NiksSofa
    @NiksSofa 7 месяцев назад +211

    There is way too little talk and information about chinese space program in the english speaking internet.
    Very happy to see you take this up and I hope you cover their other projects as well.

    • @captaindunsel2806
      @captaindunsel2806 7 месяцев назад +14

      There's not a lot of info on the Chinese speaking internet either!

    • @kukuc96
      @kukuc96 7 месяцев назад +15

      @@captaindunsel2806 I imagine that's because the whole space program is more secretive than US, ESA, JAXA etc. programs, so there is not nearly as much information available to begin with. Not just that it doesn't travel to public discourse on the internet.

    • @moss550
      @moss550 7 месяцев назад +49

      @@kukuc96 You would be more secretive about what you are doing if you have a competitor that publicly states they intend to sabotage your program, slow your progress, and spend billions of tax payer money on smearing campaigns.

    • @mattmichael2441
      @mattmichael2441 7 месяцев назад +14

      ​@@moss550 nah, rather their entire manned spaceflight program is managed directly by the military. A lot of programs started like this but split to better focus on their goals. Most of the major players like NASA, JAXA, ESA are civilian in nature. Even Iran has two programs.

    • @ImieNazwiskoOK
      @ImieNazwiskoOK 7 месяцев назад +11

      @@moss550 I'm curious to the source about publicly stating those intents

  • @Vespuchian
    @Vespuchian 7 месяцев назад +170

    I recently read a lovely illustrated history of the Soviet manned space program and I'm struck by how much Shenzhou resembles the original proposals for Soyuz that were subsequently scaled back, particularly the orbit module.

    • @Dayznology
      @Dayznology 7 месяцев назад +4

      What was this illustrated history?

    • @DIREWOLFx75
      @DIREWOLFx75 7 месяцев назад +19

      Yeah, several of the Soviet engineers had some really neat and ambitious ideas.

    • @jeffery7281
      @jeffery7281 7 месяцев назад +4

      And I also read a collection of essays about the early conceptual works on Shenzhou. Surprisingly to me, there's actually two different ways even after they decided to using the overall configuration of Soyuz (i.e. the orbit-reentry-service modules), and the alternate design was actually looked more western-style, with a truncated cone capsule that looked like Gemini or even early version of Dragon!

    • @Reactordrone
      @Reactordrone 7 месяцев назад +8

      @@Dayznology The Soviet manned space program by Phillip Clark.

    • @odysseusrex5908
      @odysseusrex5908 7 месяцев назад +2

      What was the name of the history? For those interested, I highly recommend "Challenge to Apollo" by Asif Siddiqi.

  • @rh9909
    @rh9909 7 месяцев назад +71

    10:20 That wound was caused by his mic hitting his lips on ship landing. The most dangerous period in SZ5 is actually during its ascend, the ship was resonantly vibrating with rocket at 30-40K height, and Yang described his experience as "my organs being shaken into piece and when that was finally gone I feel revived". He and other Taikongnauts are really heroes for us.

    • @rh9909
      @rh9909 7 месяцев назад +13

      11:00 There's a trivia upon this scene: They were running out of time for the spacewalk (before the ship got out of telemetry area), and the door was stuck. Apparently it was due to 1kPa of remaining air in orbit module, and Zhai brute-forced the door open, and the rest is history.

    • @rh9909
      @rh9909 7 месяцев назад +12

      I also want to add that only SZ 1-6 have automatic orbit modules with their own solar panels. SZ7 do not have them, and from SZ8 ships were batch made, also without solar panels.

  • @mikeyangyang8816
    @mikeyangyang8816 7 месяцев назад +17

    In my primary school, during the week of shenzhou 5 launch, our teacher had us doing all kinds of activities related to the space program. Everyone get to choose their own projects to work on. It was such an amazing time, I chose to do a presentation on the space suits. i edited and made then printed manuals for the different space suits for each of my classmates (each manual was like 20 pages long). The time i spent reading on how the suit design decision definitely changed how my life turned till now. I still think back to how i enjoy designing and making stuff. I now hold a degree in physics and a degree in computer science. Space programs like this have the ability to change a generation of people.

  • @alexpishvanov736
    @alexpishvanov736 7 месяцев назад +656

    May be because Shenzhou is at least 40 years newer than Soyuz ))))

    • @verypleasantguy
      @verypleasantguy 7 месяцев назад

      China stole the technology, as usual !

    • @zanelittlegray
      @zanelittlegray 7 месяцев назад +1

      Soyuz was only 15 yrs old when Putin seized Russia, but Putin has been too busy doing "other things" for him to worry about keeping his nation's manned space program alive.

    • @dadrising6464
      @dadrising6464 7 месяцев назад +36

      My immediate thought

    • @romerobryan83
      @romerobryan83 7 месяцев назад

      So there’s been no improvements made by the Russians on their Soyuz in 40 years ..

    • @MrkTan
      @MrkTan 7 месяцев назад +19

      40 years? Weren't the Soyuz introduced around 1960 I think?

  • @kjteitel
    @kjteitel 7 месяцев назад +103

    I like that you are able to compliment another country's progress without judgement. Great job. I loved this video.

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 7 месяцев назад

      True, and in the "final analysis" we are all the same ape decedents, worldwide. So, any progress in space by any of us is a "giant leap for ape-kind"! Right Scotty, you old chimp you!! ;D LOL

    • @mbukukanyau
      @mbukukanyau 7 месяцев назад +4

      Communists are bad, scientists are not bad.

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@stereomachine yes, and I made some sweet and sour pork with rice just last night!! Good "communist" food! ;D LOL

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 7 месяцев назад

      @@stereomachine Really? But it was so good I'm having it again tonight, re-heated as we speak!! :D
      BTW, we still have something free speech in Our part of the world here, so far anyway!! So, good luck, in whatever "armpit region" of the planet you live in, ...chump! LOL ;D

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@stereomachine LOL ;D

  • @tsmithkc
    @tsmithkc 7 месяцев назад +183

    Those orbit modules are pretty cool. You could build a little bit of a space station by just docking them up and leaving them up there after each mission.

    • @xinyansun9174
      @xinyansun9174 7 месяцев назад +71

      My thoughts too when I saw them.
      But later I learned the orbit module only has hatch on one side so you cannot connect them. And even if you add additional ports, connecting multiple orbital modules will result in a wobbly space station and too many toilets.

    • @adamadamadamadam
      @adamadamadamadam 7 месяцев назад +43

      @@xinyansun9174 you could add some kind of truss. and you can never have too many toilets

    • @zam6877
      @zam6877 7 месяцев назад +8

      Good point 😸
      But
      I am split on the toilets
      A personal potty? Excellence in waste disposal redundancy?
      These are serious issues, really 😐

    • @Ithirahad
      @Ithirahad 7 месяцев назад

      @@xinyansun9174 This is exploitable... You can make a dedicated module with 6 docking ports specifically designed to carry a bunch of Shenzhou OMs to serve as the restroom hallway on a large station.

    • @DIREWOLFx75
      @DIREWOLFx75 7 месяцев назад +3

      "You could build a little bit of a space station by just docking them up and leaving them up there after each mission."
      Not very functional. Remember, space stations tend to be put in orbits relatively close to Earth, as that lets them use the Earth's magnetosphere to protect against the worst radiation, meaning that a lot of rad-shielding can be skipped that is required for outer space.
      What this ALSO means is that the orbit is affected by the outer parts of the atmosphere. Which means that you must add enough fuel to the thrusters that you can do minor maneuvering burns often enough.
      Regular capsules usually does not have the fueltanks for this.
      Also, lifesupport needs change from shortterm, which capsules are designed for, to longterm, which they cannot handle.
      So no, sadly just putting them in orbit and slowly joining old ones together into a station is not an option.
      Also, the crew still needs a way to get back down.

  • @SebSN-y3f
    @SebSN-y3f 7 месяцев назад +57

    The clever thing about the three-part solution is that the landing capsule can maintain its position relatively easily thanks to the simultaneous separation, because the recoil from the two separated parts is roughly equalized. I seem to remember that American engineers were also very enthusiastic about this solution.
    (It's like when the American re-engineering of the Soviet test space plane BOR-05 revealed that the Soviets had recognized and used principles that were still unknown to the Americans. As Scott last year showed, the resulting model developed at Langley became the mockup for Dreamchaser).

    • @odysseusrex5908
      @odysseusrex5908 7 месяцев назад +6

      There was never any three module proposal in the American program. To the best of my knowledge, the modules do not separate simultaneously, and, either way, it would make no measurable difference to the reentry module's orbital dynamics.

    • @sirfirewolfe5647
      @sirfirewolfe5647 7 месяцев назад +4

      ​​​@@odysseusrex5908that's not true, GE had a proposal for a 3 module Apollo capsule which had measurable benefits over the in house NASA Langley design which ended up being developed. Additionally, the simple fact that you would have similar impulses imparted on the descent module in opposing directions to one another would provide the effect OP described, provided that capsule orientation remained the same and the separations occurred close enough to one another

    • @stanbatchelor810
      @stanbatchelor810 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@sirfirewolfe5647 I believe this was the Apollo D2 concept. The reentry module was called the GE headlight because it was shaped like an old automotive headlight, two hemispheres of differing diameter joined by a short conical section. Soyuz appeared several years later with a similar shaped reentry module. Part of the reason for the stacked configuration of Soyuz was the R7 based launch vehicle had a very slim upper stage so an Apollo type capsule would give the launch vehicle a hammerhead shape.

    • @peanutsandvich1319
      @peanutsandvich1319 6 месяцев назад

      When the ejection force effs up my perfect trajectory back to the KSC in KSP

  • @joeyp1927
    @joeyp1927 7 месяцев назад +106

    China did develop much of its own technology in the Shenzhou. But to the extent that they copied or borrowed from the Russians, remember what Leonard Da Vinci, the greatest inventor of all time, once said: "What one can copy, one can do." There is an enormous amount of thought and labor that goes into copying, and the outcome is insight, know-how, and sometimes, innovation.

    • @jpdemer5
      @jpdemer5 7 месяцев назад +18

      You just couldn't do it _until_ you copied it.

    • @PinkLittleElephant
      @PinkLittleElephant 7 месяцев назад +34

      Also it wasn't blind copying... They paid for russian expertise and designed an enhanced version.
      I vaguely remember some early Chinese taikonauts being trained in Russia too

    • @jaimeduncan6167
      @jaimeduncan6167 7 месяцев назад

      Are you a Chinese robot?

    • @roriegilligan8134
      @roriegilligan8134 7 месяцев назад +7

      They improved those earlier designs

    • @maiaemmett2399
      @maiaemmett2399 7 месяцев назад +30

      Also reverse engineering and copying technology is a lot more difficult than a lot of people give it credit. It's more than just seeing what parts are used and how they're arranged, you have to build the industry and logistics to support all that.

  • @yyangcn
    @yyangcn 7 месяцев назад +10

    1:38 Project or rather “Program 863” stands for the year 1986 - March. It’s actually a big program not just for manned space missions but also covers a long list of important state funded projects in areas including space, biotech, IT, material science, etc.

  • @JamesField
    @JamesField 7 месяцев назад +45

    I'm guilty of being one of those who thought Shenzhou was simply a slightly enlarged Soyuz, but there are so many obvious differences now that you've pointed them out. Watching the last landing coverage on the English language Chinese channel, I was intrigued by the Gamma ray altimeter. I'm sure that's a Soyuz feature too, but I'd love to know why gamma-rays are "better" than laser altimetry, especially with all the precautions required to keep recovery crews out of harm's way until the gamma source is appropriately obscured.

    • @wally7856
      @wally7856 7 месяцев назад

      Dust, aerosols, clouds - all can give lidar false readings. Gamma rays can see through those.

    • @KVP424
      @KVP424 7 месяцев назад +24

      I heard Gamma ray altimeter can work through stubborn heat shield piece that may still be on the aircraft, or deep snow cover ground. All of this is necessary since the precise ignition of landing thruster during the last few second before landing is vital part of landing process.

    • @半斤八两-l2f
      @半斤八两-l2f 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@KVP424 At an altitude of 6 kilometers above the ground, the heat shield at the bottom of the re-entry capsule will be jettisoned to reveal the retro-thrusters.

    • @KVP424
      @KVP424 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@半斤八两-l2fYeah I know that. I was mentioning about scenerio where there are some potential anomaly, which gamma ray altimeter can still work despite it.

    • @CumulusGranitis
      @CumulusGranitis 7 месяцев назад +8

      Yes it is a feature of the Soyuz from the beginning. A simple way to way to make a ground sensor where the "transmitter" will always work, with gamma ray detector that picks up the back scatter in the final few meters of the descent. When the intensity of the back scatter reaches a pre determined value, the detector fires the small retro solid rocket motors to significantly reduce the "thump" as the capsule hits the ground.
      It is due to the highly radioactive gamma ray source on the bottom of Soyuz and Shenzhou, after "thump down" the 1st person to approach the spacecraft is always a person with a 2 meter long stick with a lead plug on the end. It is the "gamma source plug" persons job to cap the gamma source opening and thus make it safe for the rest of the recovery team to approach.

  • @odysseusrex5908
    @odysseusrex5908 7 месяцев назад +6

    That was very, very interesting Scott. I have read different things saying Shenzhou is better than Soyuz and that it is just a copy. Now I know for sure. Having the Orbital Module be able to function unmanned after the manned mission ends is absolutely brilliant.

  • @jeffery7281
    @jeffery7281 7 месяцев назад +98

    Some points:
    ·Shenzhou is not just "larger", but actually being larger a lot. The exact diameter of Shenzhou's reentry module is 2,517mm, while Soyuz is 2,250mm. The habit volume of the module is 50% larger than Soyuz (6m3 vs 4m3), made it the largest reentry module before the "new gen" capsules like Orion and Dragon (all at ~9m3).
    ·We all know how the Komarov died because of one of the solar panels on the Soyuz 1 failed to extend and charging the batteries for parachute system. Well, this won't happened on Shenzhou - the Shenzhou's onboard battery itself could sustained the spacecraft for full power operation of 4 orbits, 6 hours. That means if the solar panel get stuck on Shenzhou, the crew will still have quite a lot of time to deal with it or just abort for emergency reentry. 4 orbits is enough to choose the downrange, so that they can return to the launch site instead of just landing in somewhere randomly in Pacific Ocean or Siberia... (and if they have to, the battery in the reentry module will be able to maintaining the satellite comms and emergency beacon for at least 24 hours. Leonov will be happy to hear that.)
    ·As for what happened on Shenzhou 2's parachute, rumors said it was because of the radio alttimeter somehow false-alarmed and cutted the chute before the capsule actually touched down. So as we know now, the Shenzhou's alttimeter still insisted to using gamma radiation source instead of simply radio to make detection, even that'll means there will be some dangerous and complex procedures after landing to sealed and removed the gamma emitter.
    ·There's 4 main engine nozzles behind Shenzhou's service module, as you can see. The service module's main propulsion system is double redundancy, with each pair being one of them. And, like the SPS of Apollo, all the valves and pipelines to the engines are double redundancy too. And even if both of them are all failed, the RCS thrusters will be the last redundancy, which is also double redundancy.
    ·CASC is always overstressed when it comes to reliability. Like, there's a insane requirement on the Long March 5, said the insulation layers must being able to keep the loaded LH2/LOX properllant for 24 hours after loading, in the 30°C+ hot summer of Hainan! That means ridiculously thick of foam layers that reduced the rocket's structure efficiency, everyone thinks that's crazy and completely unnecessary, untill two weeks ago when the Chang'e-6 just easily lifting off in the thunderstrom striking Wenchang.
    ·Also, since we come to redundancy, if you want to know, the computer system is triple hot redundancy in reentry module and double cold redundacy in orbit module. The computer system is based on MIL-1553 bus, if you're curious of why will China have MIL-1553 system bus, well, maybe you should search on "J-8II Peace Pearl".

    • @ThatOpalGuy
      @ThatOpalGuy 7 месяцев назад +4

      10 inches...yeah, massive.

    • @saiboogu
      @saiboogu 7 месяцев назад +15

      ​@@ThatOpalGuyIt is a significant increase in volume.

    • @jeffery7281
      @jeffery7281 7 месяцев назад +24

      @@ThatOpalGuy You never flown on commercial jets right? That's also the difference between the width of B737 and A320.

    • @spinmaster4348
      @spinmaster4348 7 месяцев назад +1

      Ever thought of “Space Shuttle” or “Arian 5” while pulling bull shit over the insulation of LM5? The later one is literally launching on the equator

    • @StillAliveAndKicking_
      @StillAliveAndKicking_ 7 месяцев назад +7

      @@ThatOpalGuyThat is a lot, take a look at the Soyuz interior, it is very cramped. 10” extra width means far more volume, far greater crew comfort.

  • @edcallahan9536
    @edcallahan9536 7 месяцев назад +4

    Always great content and contextual coverage - thank you!

  • @hanweiliu8850
    @hanweiliu8850 7 месяцев назад +48

    I was in elementary school in 2003 and I am sure we all watched Shenzhou-5 mission live on School's television that year. The false alarm happened during EVA in Shenzhou-7 was also live on TV.

    • @watcherzero5256
      @watcherzero5256 7 месяцев назад +5

      Was initially announced to be live streamed by CCTV a week before launch, however the day before launch CCTV announced they had been ordered by the government to cancel the plan and only show pre-recorded highlights. So they showed video of launch a few minutes after it happened and reported landing but the number of crew onboard and the crews identity was kept secret by the government until after the successful landing.

    • @postahundredcommentsbutonl4408
      @postahundredcommentsbutonl4408 7 месяцев назад

      2006年

    • @ComdZero
      @ComdZero 7 месяцев назад

      神五那个直播是延后的。知乎上有人说过了。正常是9点多点火,但“直播”是10点多。

  • @RaNc0R
    @RaNc0R 7 месяцев назад +93

    But I still love Soyuz, with the beautiful Korolev cross, 60 years old work horse still carrying people to the space. Time tested and reliable.

    • @dewayneblue1834
      @dewayneblue1834 7 месяцев назад +11

      You need to give credit to the true originator, the R-7 ICBM of 1957. Soyuz is just one of its many derivatives.

    • @RaNc0R
      @RaNc0R 7 месяцев назад +12

      @@dewayneblue1834 ofc, the whole evolution of the R7 family.

    • @phuzz00
      @phuzz00 7 месяцев назад +10

      At least in the early days, they got artists in to add paintings of nature scenes to the inside of the orbit module, to make it a bit more homely for the cosmonauts.

    • @GuillermoPradoObando
      @GuillermoPradoObando 7 месяцев назад +7

      The korolev cross is still an stunning thing.

    • @cosmotect
      @cosmotect 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@dewayneblue1834well, by that logic you can go back to the beginning of the universe

  • @yren3386
    @yren3386 7 месяцев назад +7

    3:43 Side note on the rocket width: If we look at the Long March series. Bigger ones aren't any wider. They only get longer and longer.
    The rockets need to be transported by train to the launch site in Gansu. Then assembled on site. There are notoriously numbers of mountains and tunnels along the way. Thus, the rocket can't get any wider or they won't fit the tunnels.
    US doesn't have this problem because KSC is in Florida, next to sea. Rockets can be cargo shipped in.
    In recent years, China opened the Hainan launch site, which is also near sea. So, the newly designed rockets no longer have this constraint.

  • @JonathanGibson-h7d
    @JonathanGibson-h7d 7 месяцев назад +42

    I love that you use Juno to show the Shenzhou mission profile, you're the reason I started playing it, and I've been hooked ever since.

    • @connycontainer9459
      @connycontainer9459 7 месяцев назад +3

      I assumed it was KSP2. Does it (Juno) compare well to KSP1 ?

    • @ExcaliburAero
      @ExcaliburAero 7 месяцев назад +8

      @@connycontainer9459 absolutely, i love it. Played both KSP1 and Juno and i have to say i love Juno so so much more

    • @BigstockGamingINC
      @BigstockGamingINC 7 месяцев назад +2

      Long Live Juno

    • @BigstockGamingINC
      @BigstockGamingINC 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@ExcaliburAerohello

    • @kspencerian
      @kspencerian 7 месяцев назад +7

      @@connycontainer9459 Very comparable to a modded KSP1, and with procedural parts. Best of all, it works on Mac, PC, and mobile devices.

  • @BigBrotherHal2001
    @BigBrotherHal2001 7 месяцев назад +6

    Interesting video thanks for sharing Scott

  • @TheDesktopOrbinaut
    @TheDesktopOrbinaut 7 месяцев назад +23

    Also interesting to note that the taikonauts that flew on Shenzhou 6 and 7 became one of the first commanders of the Tiangong Space Station over 14 years later

  • @CryptoJones
    @CryptoJones 7 месяцев назад +3

    Great video, Scott! Thank you for making it!

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 7 месяцев назад

      Yup! "Great Scott, another video"!! LOL ;D

  • @ioresult
    @ioresult 7 месяцев назад +59

    When Scott Manley starts using Juno instead of KSP for demos, it's a sad day for KSP. ⚰

    • @GreyDeathVaccine
      @GreyDeathVaccine 7 месяцев назад +1

      Never heard of Juno

    • @KellyWu04
      @KellyWu04 7 месяцев назад +23

      Scott Manley has been using Juno: New Origins in his videos for months if not over a year by now. It’s better for things that can’t be easily modeled in KSP, as you just download someone’s craft instead of hoping someone made a part mod for the parts of whatever spacecraft you want to show.

    • @KellyWu04
      @KellyWu04 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@GreyDeathVaccineJuno: New Origins was covered by Scott Manley in a video from about a year ago. You can watch that.

    • @ioresult
      @ioresult 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@KellyWu04 thanks. I wasn't paying attention before but the recent news about KSP2 made me take notice.

    • @thekinginyellow1744
      @thekinginyellow1744 7 месяцев назад +1

      Didn't Scott's channel start as just a Kerbal thing?

  • @jamest18
    @jamest18 7 месяцев назад +50

    It's very unfortunate the three biggest players in space flight have never truly gotten along. Imagine what we could have seen with the US and Soviet Union working together in the 60s and now what the US, Russia, and China could do if we all got along. What a world that would be.

    • @heyykenn9099
      @heyykenn9099 7 месяцев назад +21

      Well the same could be said here on Earth. Imagine a world where countries cooperate with each other. If we can cooperate in space, why not also on earth

    • @alexgood1056
      @alexgood1056 7 месяцев назад +9

      они и так сотрудничают, в основном благодаря коррупции и в области шпионажа по принципу враг моего врага мой друг, благо конкурирующих разведок в мире предостаточно, так что диффузия знаний неостановима.

    • @HrLBolle
      @HrLBolle 7 месяцев назад +7

      the fact that Wernher von Braun and his top engineers where snatched by the US, who than failed to understand and exploit the treasure trove of knowledge regarding rocketry they had claimed, not by chance but by design of von Braun himself, still irks me.
      the fact that the Soviets became the first to establish a presence in orbit although they could only rely on the engineers and knowledge base of level 3 and below is quite fascinating.

    • @alexgood1056
      @alexgood1056 7 месяцев назад +6

      @@HrLBolle член НСДАП барон вернер фон браун вывез с собой в США архив массой 43 тонны и весь коллектив специалистов своего КБ, что-то из этого всяко американцам пригодилось.

    • @HrLBolle
      @HrLBolle 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@alexgood1056 danke für das schließen von Wissenslücken. Es gibt immer jemanden der mehr weiß als man selbst.
      Thanks for closing the knowledge gaps. There is always someone who knows more than you.

  • @mecha37000fighter
    @mecha37000fighter 7 месяцев назад +1

    I loved this video, would love to see this turn into a series

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations 7 месяцев назад +8

    Fascinating stuff indeed! Thanks, Scott! 😊
    Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @Lurthatgurl
    @Lurthatgurl 6 месяцев назад +1

    I just found your channel and have been binge watching the last 2 days, I love everything space. So glad I found you!!

  • @kaifengwu6565
    @kaifengwu6565 7 месяцев назад +24

    I remember watching the broadcast of Shenzhou 5 as a kid on the bus home from school. I stayed glued to that tiny TV, missed my stop, and had to walk half an hour back. That day kindled my passion for space. Today, an experiment I designed just went on a "zero-G" parabolic flight. If I keep up the good work, perhaps one day my work will be on a real spaceflight.
    Also fyi: Shenzhou in Chinese means Divine Vessel. Mengzhou means Dream Vessel, and the space station, Tiangong, is Havenly Palace, or more directly translated as palace in the sky. Lots of mythological references, just like Japanese and Indian space programs, which I enjoy.

    • @rais1953
      @rais1953 6 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for sharing that.

  • @clbl8706
    @clbl8706 2 месяца назад

    Love the Juno footage Scott. You're my favorite RUclipsr to play Juno New Origins.

  • @samuelling2998
    @samuelling2998 7 месяцев назад +11

    Mandarin speaker here, "zh" in "Shenzhou" sounds much closer to "j", and "shen" sounds exactly like "tion" in "nation". So "tion joe" would sound much closer to how it's actually pronounced. Great video!
    (also, instead of "beizhhhhing", which Westerners always use, "bay dzing" would be much closer)

  • @killerkip1
    @killerkip1 7 месяцев назад +22

    It's neat to see the technological and human aspect to this vs the pure political aspect. It's neat seeing what humanity can do, regardless of the political climate.

  • @normanlong2191
    @normanlong2191 7 месяцев назад +8

    Excellent Scott we dont get anywhere near enough info on the Chinese space programme so thank you !

  • @暮光之南-魔星6K版
    @暮光之南-魔星6K版 4 месяца назад +1

    Thank you Scott for telling unbiased stories! I’ve been following you when I was studying and working in Australia. Now I’m back in China, you are still my go-to source for space news and knowledge.

  • @Bystander333
    @Bystander333 7 месяцев назад +4

    OMG, flag flapping in air at 12:27, even China are in on the conspiracy. (I'm kidding, don't respond to that)
    Didn't a UK RUclipsr find Buran abandoned in a hangar a few years ago then get humiliatingly ejected from Russia causing a bit of a diplomatic issue?

  • @SergeyUdaltsov
    @SergeyUdaltsov 3 месяца назад +1

    13:40 Small correction: the petal-based system was not first designed for Buran but actually for Soyuz-Apollo project. Otherwise - thank you very much for the interesting video!

  • @AlexSchendel
    @AlexSchendel 7 месяцев назад +4

    The footage of the space station in Juno at the end has reminded me that I need to play Juno again. Very underrated space game.

    • @CryptoJones
      @CryptoJones 7 месяцев назад +2

      I googled this and realized I had it in my Steam Library! Thanks for calling out the name of the game!

    • @AlexSchendel
      @AlexSchendel 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@CryptoJones yeah! Was originally called Simple Rockets 2, but they renamed it to "Juno: New Origins" with a big update a while back haha.

  • @zandvoort8616
    @zandvoort8616 7 месяцев назад +2

    Great channel!

  • @S1nwar
    @S1nwar 7 месяцев назад +5

    can you make a video on why the boosters on chinese rockets are tilted ~10° outwards? thats gotta reduce the coaxial thrust quit a bit

    • @steveschunk5702
      @steveschunk5702 7 месяцев назад +7

      @Sinwar, they try to point through the cg, so eccentric thrust doesn’t cause pinwheeling.

    • @romerobryan83
      @romerobryan83 7 месяцев назад

      What’s co axial thrust

    • @bbbnuy3945
      @bbbnuy3945 7 месяцев назад +4

      most all rockets cant their boosters inward. its not just a chinese thing

    • @MrGeforcerFX
      @MrGeforcerFX 7 месяцев назад +3

      The smarter everyday video on vulcan covers the cannted nozzles on the boosters really well.

    • @ThatOpalGuy
      @ThatOpalGuy 7 месяцев назад

      @@steveschunk5702 difficult, as the CoG changes, continuously, during the flight.

  • @Lew114
    @Lew114 7 месяцев назад

    Thanks! Interesting and entertaining as always.

  • @wowtim62
    @wowtim62 7 месяцев назад +5

    Hey there why didn't you answer the question between the dog, monkey, or rabbit which was the Capt

    • @LLH7202
      @LLH7202 7 месяцев назад +3

      I was going to ask that, too. It sounds like the start of a joke. "A monkey, a dog and a rabbit are launched into space..."

    • @SebSN-y3f
      @SebSN-y3f 7 месяцев назад +1

      Well, that's obvious: it's known as "Follow the ... rabbit!".

  • @CumulusGranitis
    @CumulusGranitis 7 месяцев назад +2

    Very nice presentation Scott. 100% correct. You nailed it nicely.
    Yes the Chinese did purchase the plans for the Soyuz and Mir in order to reverse engineer their own manned space program. They went out and bought the most reliable system that had a long history of success.
    Yes they did make it bigger and roomier and the Chinese Orbital Module is a vast improvement over the Soyuz original given it has the ability to function as an independent satellite, including its own RCS system and the ability to self deorbit.
    When a Russian Soyuz reenters, it does Not jettison the Orbital Module until after a successful deorbit burn. This came about when I believe when an early Soyuz crew had to spend an extra day in orbit, after they had jettisoned the Orbital Module. A very cramped 24 hours, with no food or water and not toilet.
    So the Russians now keep the orbital module until after retro burn, just in case they have to cancel a landing or for what ever reason, the retro burn fails. Keeping it give the returning Soyuz crew more living space, food, water and a toilet for the 24 hour delay until they can make another attempt to come home.
    As always Fly Safe.

  • @AlteredBuzzard
    @AlteredBuzzard 7 месяцев назад +4

    Something I did in KSP is strap 2 boosters to the side of a larger payload to get it into orbit. Imagine Delta IV Heavy but a space station with an interstage instead of a full stage.
    Was wondering how practical would having stages mounted horizontally instead of Virtically would be? Obviously we're now seeing Falcon Heavy but they're just the launcher.

  • @stellarsub-orbital9922
    @stellarsub-orbital9922 7 месяцев назад +1

    Love the Juno footage! I dont have KSP, so its great that my favorite space game is getting some love.

  • @MattLitkeRacing
    @MattLitkeRacing 7 месяцев назад +10

    My trip to Cape Canaveral is next week. I planned it last year just happens I might see the Starliner

    • @ThatOpalGuy
      @ThatOpalGuy 7 месяцев назад +2

      good luck. dont bet on boeing being ready by then, sadly.

    • @MattLitkeRacing
      @MattLitkeRacing 7 месяцев назад +5

      @@ThatOpalGuy at least I’ll see a Starlink launch lol

    • @andyonions7864
      @andyonions7864 7 месяцев назад +1

      If it's Boeing, it ain't going...

    • @MattLitkeRacing
      @MattLitkeRacing 7 месяцев назад

      @@andyonions7864 they take the saying that takeoffs are optional to heart

  • @theradioweyr
    @theradioweyr 7 месяцев назад +1

    Outstanding! I am sure that this "episode" had way more hours than your average one.

  • @waxeggoil3130
    @waxeggoil3130 7 месяцев назад +3

    Congratulations on better pronunciation of chinese. You're nearly there, Scott.

  • @ibnbattuta1304
    @ibnbattuta1304 7 месяцев назад +2

    China's space program is very slow and methodical. Even Shenzhou 8 was uncrewed just to test their first docking with the prototype Tiangong station. They could be ready for a lunar landing in 2030, but they'll delay it until all tests are done.

  • @ilanle
    @ilanle 7 месяцев назад +7

    Hey Scott. It would be interesting if you do an episode about grid-fins ❤

  • @paulmicks7097
    @paulmicks7097 7 месяцев назад

    Great topic , thank you Scott

  • @KVP424
    @KVP424 7 месяцев назад +3

    Single stick version of Long March 10 apparently will have it maiden flight in 2025 or 2026. So I assume they plan to test Mengzhou again when that rocket is ready.

    • @TomDrez
      @TomDrez 7 месяцев назад +1

      Sure gotta be soon enough considering the developpement of all flight elements has ended at least 3 years ahead of schedule.

  • @The_Dark_Lord-69
    @The_Dark_Lord-69 7 месяцев назад +2

    14:00. Wrong, the original docking system was designed by the Soviet Union. Not Ukraine.

    • @paulsengupta971
      @paulsengupta971 7 месяцев назад +1

      Those two things aren't mutually exclusive are they?

  • @FireCrack
    @FireCrack 7 месяцев назад +8

    Just a pronunciation note because these things are often tough, "Mengzhou" in Standard Chinese is pronounced more similarly to how an English speaker would say "mung" in the first syllable (eg, "uh" sound instead of the long "e"). Obviously this still won't be perfect pronunciation (lacking tones) but it's a bit closer to it.

    • @lagrangewei
      @lagrangewei 7 месяцев назад +1

      mung actually sound further than meng from what it suppose to sound like.

    • @FireCrack
      @FireCrack 7 месяцев назад

      @@lagrangewei yeah, I kinda also had a second thought too, because "mung" could also be very far from correct. Really need to brush up on IPA to get a reasonable answer here, because English pronunciation can be very ambiguous.

  • @General12th
    @General12th 7 месяцев назад +2

    Hi Scott!
    Land safe!

  • @judet2992
    @judet2992 7 месяцев назад +3

    0:45 Just like the Soviets with the Voshkod based satellites but reversed!

    • @reis1185
      @reis1185 7 месяцев назад +1

      Technology Transfer

  • @rakib_rudroofficial6542
    @rakib_rudroofficial6542 5 месяцев назад

    8:01 which simulator he use?please tell me the name

  • @MoritzvonSchweinitz
    @MoritzvonSchweinitz 7 месяцев назад +30

    Such a pity that we can't all just get along in space, and cooperate. It's impressive what China managed to build up rather quickly. Imagine that, but with international cooperation!

    • @dewayneblue1834
      @dewayneblue1834 7 месяцев назад +10

      Yes and no. "International cooperation" can also result in adding a lot of complexity and costs with no measurable return.

    • @hammerr
      @hammerr 7 месяцев назад

      The reason they developed so fast and are banned from the space station is that they stole every bit of technology where they could

    • @moss550
      @moss550 7 месяцев назад +3

      Most likely they wouldn't have came as far as they have if US didn't banned them.
      NASA programs are not known to be on time or on budget, and Galileo has shown ESA is more of a hindrance to their development.

    • @Ithirahad
      @Ithirahad 7 месяцев назад +3

      International competition is part of the reason that Tiangong exists in the first place. Sometimes cooperation just results in a mess - "too many cooks" with all the cooks being national governments full of little factions with competing local interests... is very bad news.

    • @Freak80MC
      @Freak80MC 7 месяцев назад

      I think human psychology is such that cooperation will always be less likely to give good results than good old competition. Humans naturally only innovate when in a competitive environment.

  • @TreesRaccoonsAndPizza
    @TreesRaccoonsAndPizza 7 месяцев назад +1

    Space always makes me feel better. Thanks Scott!

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 7 месяцев назад

      Yup, that's why we bought a really big house!! LOL ;D

  • @NOLNV1
    @NOLNV1 7 месяцев назад +6

    If it ends up with a record like Soyuz I will be thrilled, those old tubes have been sent up countless times

  • @SparrowHawkPilot
    @SparrowHawkPilot 7 месяцев назад +1

    Scott what is the software you use to show us these orbital sims?

    • @limliangwei8354
      @limliangwei8354 7 месяцев назад

      It is a space game "Juno New Origin"

  • @Nielsblog
    @Nielsblog 7 месяцев назад +7

    The orbital module being its own independent spacecraft seems like such an obvious idea in retrospect.

  • @martinilopez1
    @martinilopez1 3 месяца назад

    great video scott!!

  • @EricaCalman
    @EricaCalman 7 месяцев назад +33

    It's almost like having literally 10x the GDP buys you some more engineering work hours.

    • @Andreas-gh6is
      @Andreas-gh6is 7 месяцев назад

      It's not the size of the GDP but how you use it. For several decades Russia has spent too much of its GDP - or rather the GDP of the other states in the Soviet Union (without asking them of course) on this technology. And they are still far far ahead of China in most regards. The recent progress in Shenzhou are partly the result of Putin being Xi's little bitch ...

    • @DIREWOLFx75
      @DIREWOLFx75 7 месяцев назад +16

      Eh, actually, China has "only" about 5 times as many STEM graduates per year as Russia.
      And Russia has by far the highest average quality STEM graduates in the world.
      Meanwhile, Russia also graduates twice as many STEM graduates per year as USA... With less than half the population.
      That's when you kinda realise there's an issue somewhere.

    • @Andreas-gh6is
      @Andreas-gh6is 7 месяцев назад

      @@DIREWOLFx75 Russian STEM graduates suck by comparison with the rest of the world. But yeah, the US education system sucks bigger eggs. Also, the ultimate intelligence test for Russian STEM graduates is the question if they want to stay in this doomed country that may send them into battle at any time.

    • @EricaCalman
      @EricaCalman 7 месяцев назад +8

      @@DIREWOLFx75 well idk about highest quality coming from Russia but they do have a good education system and more STEM graduates per capita. It’s a testament to those things that Russia has kept up at all but China the US are clearly ahead by merit of just throwing sheer resources at Spaceflight.

    • @andrewsuryali8540
      @andrewsuryali8540 7 месяцев назад +14

      ​@@DIREWOLFx75 The Chinese education system is geared towards producing competent STEM workers, so while STEM graduate numbers are roughly equal to the US on a per-capita basis, the number of STEM workers is much higher than in either the US or Russia. These are the technicians and machinists and non-academic researchers who have vocational STEM training but no college degree. In China these people are absorbed by SoEs and trained up with on-the-job education. So you end up, for example, with a coal engineer who never went to any kind of university but holds a professorship in power plant engineering (rewarded by the Chinese Academy of Sciences) and publishes engineering papers three times a year from their work on the field. All the actual university graduates line up for internship with them.

  • @joemag6032
    @joemag6032 7 месяцев назад +1

    Technology builds upon previous technology. Surely most people know that. For example, newer computers are much faster than older computers. That does not mean that newer engineers are better than older engineers. It just means that newer engineers can take advantage of the work that older engineers did.

  • @oneplot5132
    @oneplot5132 7 месяцев назад +9

    Thanks really great you spent time on Chinese space development, very neglected area ❤

    • @foxtraner
      @foxtraner 7 месяцев назад

      A deliberate attempt to keep you think the west is still a space dominant player, until well the Chinese set up a moon base😢

  • @Tod_oMal
    @Tod_oMal 7 месяцев назад +1

    What is happening with Starliner? Would you like to make a video on that? Thanks.

  • @glencmac
    @glencmac 7 месяцев назад +5

    GREAT POST!!! Learned a lot. Do you think we will ever see a Shenzhou docked at the ISS, or a Dragon at the Chinese Space Station?

    • @cacciatore9147
      @cacciatore9147 7 месяцев назад +8

      Don’t forget Wolf Amendment of the US.

    • @roriegilligan8134
      @roriegilligan8134 7 месяцев назад +14

      That's not a matter of technology, but diplomacy

    • @StillAliveAndKicking_
      @StillAliveAndKicking_ 7 месяцев назад

      No. The West has zero trust of China, so they won’t allow any Chinese taikonauts onto Western spacecraft.

    • @alexgood1056
      @alexgood1056 7 месяцев назад

      это возможно только в чрезвычайных аварийных обстоятельствах как в фильме "Гравитация",когда дипломатия должна уступить ради спасения людей на орбите, так что лучше не надо.

  • @soldiersvejk2053
    @soldiersvejk2053 7 месяцев назад +1

    8:37 Those names were the first generation Chinese astronauts. Most of them managed to fly crewed missions in the later years.

  • @Nowhereman10
    @Nowhereman10 7 месяцев назад +48

    Without Russia's need for cash in the 1990s, it probably would've taken at least another ten years or so for China to develop something similar to Shenzhou in capability, and who knows how much longer for something like Tiangong.

    • @TomDrez
      @TomDrez 7 месяцев назад +55

      The chinese wouldn't even have developped Tiangong if the U.S didn't decided the ban them from the iss, they just needed it because of that political move, they're perfectly capable, you know both the ussr and the chineses had a rather rough century, they were both respectively invaded and colonized, and they had bigger fish to fry like educating their population and resolving poverty, all the while they had to rebuilt their cities, farm, roads and life from millions of dead, the U.S that seized the opportunity to rule over a destroyed world after ww2 shouldn't even have been catched up on if it was an efficient country, however it is not and it's never been.

    • @saadisave
      @saadisave 7 месяцев назад +8

      ​@@TomDrez the USSR was colonized? It was the colonizer; The direct descendant of the Russian Empire, however vehemently it may have disputed it.

    • @TomDrez
      @TomDrez 7 месяцев назад

      @@saadisave I said respectively, china was colonized, ussr was invaded by (unprovoqued) nazis who slaughtered 26 millions peoples, russians were the victims of the most brutal genocide by far in the whole history, yet all that interested our leaders are the genocide on the jews who did 20 millions victims less, i'm not going to argue over the number 6 millions killed is still an scandalous massacre, however it was way worse for the russians. What ussr managed to do while having lost so many people to the germans, and with the need to rebuilt, plus massive sanctions and isolation from the west, lack of ressources, and inevitables internal struggles due to the overall situation, was simply astonishing.
      Same deal with China, the ccp just had no reasons to be the winners of the war, they were fighting nationalists backed by americans, and japaneses who had colonized them after europeans, we can also add 3 warlords factions, all had vast armies and a technological advantage and more ressources, and the ccp simply couldn't rely on ussr in thoses time, yet they managed to assemble the majority of the population behind them, tired of the persecution of the armies of Chiang Kai-shek, and the humiliation of the invaders, that's the sole reason why the ccp could win, because they were favored by the people over the others... Ussr and china did expanded on territories that we can argue were originally not their own, but that's still their areas of influence nevertheless, culturally and historically speaking, it's still way more legitimate by a mile than any european country colonizing africa or some far away place...
      Plus considering what kind of hell was unleashed on both of thoses nations till only a few decades ago, it's rather hypocritical to ask/tell them anything now that they're reaching height that we don't want them to reach, particularly so when westerners countries are still delivering extremely unfair and brutal wars all over the place for oil and seizing different assets for specualtive purposes.
      I can talk however i want for what my country is doing i'm french and i do have a negative view on our colonisation, i'm not thinking i have to be sorry for the descendants of the peoples our ancestor killed however i do wish we would just leave them be, my gov don't seem to be agreeing with this. In this moment New Caledonia (is that the right name in english?) is revolting over a new set of law that was passed by our gov, they're mostly independantist and i'm agreeing with this, we have nothing legitimate to do on the other side of the planet.

    • @jamesmandahl444
      @jamesmandahl444 7 месяцев назад +4

      @saadisave
      lol

    • @TomDrez
      @TomDrez 7 месяцев назад +6

      @@saadisave My comment was instantly deleted amazing, it was a huge brick so i'm going to that again but i did said "respectively" ussr was invaded china was colonized.

  • @DrVictorVasconcelos
    @DrVictorVasconcelos 7 месяцев назад +1

    That's what money tends to do. Every dominant culture convinced itself that it's more scientifically minded than others but scientific mindedness didn't jump randomly across cultures over time, and it just so happens that they were all the richest people at the time.

  • @maiaemmett2399
    @maiaemmett2399 7 месяцев назад +4

    I really appreciate that this video was well grounded and nuanced, especially with how it praised and appreciated China's ingenuity in Shenzhou's development. This was a real good video.

  • @agvit4755
    @agvit4755 7 месяцев назад +1

    14:00 The original Kurs docking system was developed by the Research Institute of Precision Instruments, Moscow, USSR. Not Ukraine.

  • @edichkalimonoff878
    @edichkalimonoff878 7 месяцев назад +8

    "Шеньджоу" не может быть хуже, т. к., во первых, он на 50 лет моложе, чем "Союз", а во вторых, Россия передала Китаю многие технологии "Союза". Странно, что кому-либо нужно что-то доказывать.

    • @aungaisum8654
      @aungaisum8654 7 месяцев назад +4

      Russia didn't transfer any technologies to China. They learned it all by themselves. Russian not that kind at those time. Space station also 100% Chinese technologies.

    • @basilshauvet8761
      @basilshauvet8761 7 месяцев назад +3

      ​​@@aungaisum8654dude, you don't even know what you're writing about. Chinese space station is an adoptation of Salyut

  • @Worldball12345
    @Worldball12345 7 месяцев назад

    This is a fascinating comparison! The Shenzhou program indeed showcases how technological evolution can refine and enhance existing designs. While the Soyuz has been a reliable workhorse with an impressive safety record, Shenzhou benefits from modern advancements and innovations. The ability to integrate new materials, updated electronics, and improved life support systems has allowed Shenzhou to overcome some of the limitations inherent in the Soyuz design. It's a great reminder of how iterative improvements and technological borrowing can lead to significant advancements in space exploration. Your point about Shenzhou being the best operational human-rated spacecraft between the Shuttle and Dragon eras is a compelling insight into the dynamic nature of space technology development.

  • @MoonWeasel23
    @MoonWeasel23 7 месяцев назад +64

    I still love that the Chinese used freaking wood for their heat shields. Meanwhile on Orion…

    • @ThatOpalGuy
      @ThatOpalGuy 7 месяцев назад +10

      they are making some satellites with wood as well.

    • @JacquesMartini
      @JacquesMartini 7 месяцев назад +6

      K.I.S.S.!

    • @AAAAAA-tj1nq
      @AAAAAA-tj1nq 7 месяцев назад +5

      @@ThatOpalGuy lol anti China bot

    • @2hotflavored666
      @2hotflavored666 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@AAAAAA-tj1nq Lol pro China bot

    • @sweetybnz7482
      @sweetybnz7482 7 месяцев назад +2

      And meanwhile on Starship uncontrolled re entry is how it's done.

  • @Conundrum191
    @Conundrum191 7 месяцев назад +1

    Great video...to be honest I always assumed that Shenzhou was just a repurposed Soyuz design, and not it's own thing. Interesting to see while they are similar, one is actually not like the other.

  • @MarcoTedaldi
    @MarcoTedaldi 7 месяцев назад +5

    Curious Marc has an awesome series where they restore and explain the sojus globe...

  • @redtails
    @redtails 6 месяцев назад

    research and development is independent of nationality/religion/gender/etc and it all stands on the shoulders of the previous group. Best is to collaborate, but if you end up just outright buying / copying IP, it doesn't ultimately make a difference

  • @DeatheaterSirius
    @DeatheaterSirius 7 месяцев назад +4

    I got chance to see shanzu1 shanzu5 and shanzu 7 capsules

    • @ThatOpalGuy
      @ThatOpalGuy 7 месяцев назад +1

      that would be fun to see.

  • @michaelreid2329
    @michaelreid2329 7 месяцев назад +1

    Looking at the difference of diameter of the Vulcan launcher compared to the Starliner capsule its surprising that neither the Russians nor Chinese just didn't increase their capsule diameter. Those things appear to be very squeezey.

  • @tonyennis1787
    @tonyennis1787 7 месяцев назад +5

    2:35 the Shuttle was such a boondoggle. We found the most expensive way to get payloads into space.

    • @ThatOpalGuy
      @ThatOpalGuy 7 месяцев назад +5

      and yet without it we wouldnt have some of the things we have today. but, yeah, greed and mismanagement increase the cost of most every project.

    • @jaimeduncan6167
      @jaimeduncan6167 7 месяцев назад +2

      It was also the most advanced spacecraft ever and had unique capabilities, but most of them were not used. I was a nice

    • @JacquesMartini
      @JacquesMartini 7 месяцев назад +3

      too many cooks, too much swiss army knife.

    • @AAAAAA-tj1nq
      @AAAAAA-tj1nq 7 месяцев назад

      @@ThatOpalGuy space shuttles was a failure. 2 of them went boom

    • @tonyennis1787
      @tonyennis1787 7 месяцев назад

      @@AAAAAA-tj1nq What made them a failure wasn't the loss of two ships, it was that the idea was bad to begin with.

  • @evanm6739
    @evanm6739 7 месяцев назад

    1:20 why are the astronauts not shaking or vibrating during launch?

    • @alexcovey1200
      @alexcovey1200 Месяц назад

      Shoddy ch8nese engineering not giving the right experience.

  • @ГалинаГалина-д9и
    @ГалинаГалина-д9и 7 месяцев назад +6

    You forgot to say that not only the Chinese copied the Soviet Orlan spacesuit. The new American spacesuit Axiom Space is also an almost complete copy of the Soviet spacesuits Krechet and Orlan. The Krechet spacesuit was created in the second half of the 60s for the Soviet lunar program. The Orlan spacesuit is the same Krechet spacesuit, but slightly modified. Orlan spacesuits have been used since the first half of the 70s on Soviet and Russian space stations for spacewalks, and they are also used on the International Space Station. So astronauts from all over the world were able to experience them, study them, wear them, work in them, and see how much better they were than American spacesuits. There is also at least one Krechet spacesuit in one of the US space museums. This is not surprising, since after the collapse of the USSR many things and ideas flowed from it to the USA. The genius of the idea of ​​the Krechet and Orlan spacesuits is that they have a door in the back through which the astronaut simply enters this spacesuit, as if into a small house, or a small spaceship. An astronaut can put it on alone, without the help of other people (unlike American spacesuits), and very quickly. This brilliant idea of ​​Soviet inventors seems very simple at first glance, but no one could come up with this brilliant idea before them. It is probably simply impossible to come up with something better than this idea, so all other countries have no choice but to copy this brilliant idea. China has already done it and now the US is doing the same!

    • @m.a3914
      @m.a3914 7 месяцев назад

      The space suits look like upgraded versions of the existing US space suits

    • @ГалинаГалина-д9и
      @ГалинаГалина-д9и 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@m.a3914 No. The Axiom Space suit that NASA chose for its new lunar program has a door in the back - just like the Soviet Krechet and Orlan spacesuits. Apart from these spacesuits, no other spacesuit in the world had this. This is a brilliant idea, it’s impossible to think of anything better than it. Therefore, the Chinese simply copied the Soviet spacesuit. The Americans struggled for a long time, suffered for a long time, to invent something of their own, different from the Soviet ingenious spacesuit. But this is simply impossible. Therefore, they did not give a damn about their pride, and also simply copied the Soviet spacesuit :)

    • @m.a3914
      @m.a3914 7 месяцев назад

      @@ГалинаГалина-д9и Axiom are fully US development, the best in the world!

  • @StYxXx
    @StYxXx 6 месяцев назад +2

    Oh poor dog :( There's really no need to send animals into space for testing. In the 60s one might argue that the effects of space and zero gravity were unknown. But 20-25 years ago? Cheap sensors would give any information needed.

  • @quattrocity9620
    @quattrocity9620 7 месяцев назад +15

    If it hadn't been for China's Shenzhou, I'd have been married a long time ago.

    • @camojoe83
      @camojoe83 7 месяцев назад

      You should listen to the real version of that song.

    • @quattrocity9620
      @quattrocity9620 7 месяцев назад

      @@camojoe83 I wasn't aware there was a non-real version

    • @camojoe83
      @camojoe83 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@quattrocity9620 the one by the wet brain disco turkeys is not the real one.
      The real one is about someone that has to spend his life watching over a relative that was beaten by prison guards into a blind, broken man and sent home.

    • @quattrocity9620
      @quattrocity9620 7 месяцев назад

      @@camojoe83 hmm never heard of the wet brain disco turkeys

    • @VictorZverovich
      @VictorZverovich 7 месяцев назад +1

      Underrated comment

  • @skyscall
    @skyscall 7 месяцев назад

    I love your usage of Juno: New Origins for visuals!! It's a hugely under-appreciated game for what it's capable of. I feel like most people tend to "default" to the Kerbal games simply because of their popularity and never give newcomers like Juno a fair shot. It's a game that definitely lives "under the shadow" of KSP, but has a lot to offer.

  • @denslipped
    @denslipped 7 месяцев назад +7

    It's not "objectively better"))). Soyuz is a self-sufficient spacecraft.
    1. The Soyuz manned spacecraft has been a means of delivery to the ISS for more than 20 years. It doesn't need a large orbital module to do this. A regular household compartment is sufficient, where cabinets and a toilet are located. Let me remind you that during the ASTP flight, four cosmonauts and astronauts were placed in the household compartment of the Soyuz.
    2. The reason for the use of the Soyuz spacecraft so far in the latest modification of 2016 is that this spacecraft is the "rescue ship" of the ISS.
    3. The descent vehicle of the Shenzhou spacecraft is completely copied from the Soyuz-T lander modification in scale. Yes, it turned out to be longer, but in the case of transport operations to the station, it does not matter, since the crew is delivered to the ISS today at a regular launch of about 3 hours.
    4. The latest modification of Soyuz - MS (upgraded systems) has a fully digital system and interfaces, including a new remote control. As for the periscope, this "Vzor" system is left for additional security, which is not mentioned in this video.
    5. As for solar electric panels that do not rotate on a gimbal, this is a vestige of the fact that this design has been used for more than half a century, but it is also a smaller weight of this design for the instrument and assembly compartment.

  • @RJ-xy5rv
    @RJ-xy5rv 7 месяцев назад +1

    Scott, not on topic but I have a question for you and anyone else with enough knowledge. Could spacex put receiver dish on every one of their satellites pointing out to space and create a lot of super large radio type Telescopes?

  • @diraziz396
    @diraziz396 7 месяцев назад +3

    That picture of LC. Yang Leway holding UN & Chinese Stitched Flag is Very important. surprising even.

  • @shanemeyer9224
    @shanemeyer9224 7 месяцев назад

    Hay Scott what game was that where you had shown the craft in orbit? it looked kinda like kerbal but was way different

    • @jvsperoni
      @jvsperoni 7 месяцев назад

      That's "Juno: New Origins"

  • @dosmastrify
    @dosmastrify 7 месяцев назад +5

    Just happened to check RUclips and then this is posted a minute ago. Fancy!

    • @Nilguiri
      @Nilguiri 7 месяцев назад

      What are the chances!?

  • @bobbagum
    @bobbagum 7 месяцев назад

    how long can the orbit module stay in space? can they dock it to the station to create extra room on the station after the capsule has returned even temporarily, or even act like the progress to receive waste and re-entry

    • @rh9909
      @rh9909 7 месяцев назад +1

      6Mo and not anymore(from SZ7); and not very good economically (have to spend money and weight optimizing long-term life support and connections for sub-adequate living space)

  • @S1nwar
    @S1nwar 7 месяцев назад +4

    speaking of blatantly copying everything from other nations whats your estimate when the chinese Starship copy will be operational, the Long March 9?

    • @artemplatov1982
      @artemplatov1982 7 месяцев назад +1

      Their copy will reach moon faster than Elmo

    • @tluangasailo3663
      @tluangasailo3663 7 месяцев назад

      long march 9 full reeusable version is 2040s

  • @daviddeng2041
    @daviddeng2041 7 месяцев назад

    For those who might not know, in 8:35 , several of them had been on space for more than 1 time.

  • @controlfreak1963
    @controlfreak1963 7 месяцев назад +9

    I kind of assumed that long ago. Russia's education system collapsed around 1985 so most of their engineers are retiring or dead. They've been outsourcing their technical people for decades and have been cruising on USSR tech to this day.

    • @MrSkipLim
      @MrSkipLim 7 месяцев назад +7

      The Russian education system has remained exactly the same, look at various international tournaments, Olympiads and competitions in physics, mathematics and programming

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  7 месяцев назад +5

      Indeed, it's more that opportunities for the smart, well educated people are much better elsewhere.

    • @controlfreak1963
      @controlfreak1963 7 месяцев назад +5

      @@MrSkipLim I worked as a control engineer for an american oil company in Russia about a decade ago before I retired. I learned from the locals that most of the technical schools collapsed in the 80's. The universities still exist for those that can afford them but the level of technical education dropped like a rock compared to the USSR days. The US also used to fund more technical education when I was younger than today so we are in something of a similar situation (although not as critical) as we outsourced to China over the last 30 years.

  • @MadMorgie6318
    @MadMorgie6318 7 месяцев назад

    The three module setup makes a lot of sense even if you have a fatter rocket to work with, as it saves mass by making it so you need a smaller volume and mass to reenter.
    There was a very similar setup to Soyuz and Shenzhou submitted by General Electric, the Apollo D-2. The big visual difference was the aerodynamic shroud remaining in place.