Analysis of Controversial Shooting of Florida Airman Caught on Body Cam
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what I took away from this is everyone should have a doorbell camera no matter what
Or don't come to the door with a gun in hand when someone outside is pounding on the door shouting "SHERIFF'S OFFICE" 🤷🏻♂️
Doorbell cam costs less than a gun typically and will come in handy way more often. The gun also won't tell you when a package arrived or if your kids sneaks out at night.
except for when they use it to see if anyone's home then when you say I'm not home right now. Their homies break in the back and steal all your shit. so as long as you keep that in mind they can help you be safe but also can be used against you though social engineering.
@@RUclipsBlocksMyComments yeah but deputy took himself out of site of view. Hence the gun.
@James_AlexanderA right because no home invaders have ever said that when kicking in a door
I am a former police officer. The Constitution gives the highest level of protection to those within their home and this Airman was within his home. It's not illegal to have a firearm within your home or even to have a firearm in your hand within the home. The Airman did not point the firearm at the Deputy or act aggressively in any way. The deputy had the ability to move out of the doorway and draw his firearm just in case things went bad. Had the Airmen come out of his home into the hallway i.e., advance on the deputy there would be no question as to the justification of the shooting. Shooting a person who is not threatening you and who is within their home to me is wrong on many levels.
Yeah I agree. It is highly dangerous if someone has a gun in their hand so like you said important to draw and move but the citizen has the right. Now if he then made a quick movement that looked like raising the gun, then fair game but it you really need good training to make those split second decisions. Which you would expect from a properly trained officer
I agree. The deputy maybe shot too quick but you should know as a former Officer. It takes .75 of a second to go from lower to shooting stance .. so I think both the airman and the deputy had faults. This wasn’t a homeowner that took an 8 hour firearms training this is a highly trained military personnel. He shouldn’t have open the door if he had doubt it was the police. Call 911 and verify it’s the police at your door. The officer should have waiting for a second officer especially in a DV call. Also maybe waited a few seconds before firing. It’s just a bad situation for all involved.
How many times in your career did a resident of a home meet you at the front door with a firearm in their hand while you were on a non emergency radio call? and what did you do?
I disagree sir, a gun in your hand can kill you in .25 of a second and the officer had s legal right to be there. It's a travesty
@@BlakeGibbons by coming to the door gun in hand to meet a police officer investigating a DV.... absolutely
Good Rule of Thumb: if you think you need a gun in your hand to answer the door, don't answer the door
You hear him say who is it around 3:40-42. Then the officer hides. Does it again. I wouldn't believe it's police either.
If you can’t answer your door with a gun in your own house then what’s the point of the 2nd amendment. And the cop got off I. The wrong floor even thought he girl said the 4th he gets off on the 3rd
@josegarcia5873 You can legally open the door with your gun in your hand and get shot like this airman did. I doubt being in the right is any consolation to a dead man. Be SMART before you worry about your rights.
@@christopherdunn3094being smart is supposed to be a cops job but most of them struggle to get 2.0 GPA in HS 🙄
@@Nite2012Mare You think you can rely on police to protect your life? Child, they are trying to protect their own lives. You really think it's possible to pass a law that forces cops to allow you to wield a gun when they knock on your door lolololololololol You aren't very smart, are you?
There is no question no gray area no dispute. This is 100% a bad shoot...
Oh, hi God. What are you doing here in the comments?
Are you an idiot?
@@CharveL88lol this made me laugh. Gotta love the armchair judge jury and executioners in the comment sections.
Briefly explain
@@CharveL88 So many people blaming the victim of this shooting. The dude was answering the door as commanded by the officer, he had committed no crime, and was carrying a weapon IN. HIS. OWN. HOME. Y'all the same people who go on and on about 2A rights?
Rule #1: You do not have to open the door or engage an officer.
@005connect9 no the fucc they won't there's plenty of people on the run 🤣 damn you thouht you actually said something
@@Rob-id5nn damn you actually thought you sounded smart and said something but looked like a dumbass instead
@@005connect9don't have to come to the door without a warrant
@@005connect9so if they never opened the door then what are they going to do? because when I was a cop we just left if they never answered.
@@andrewbetances1203 you did a shitty job that’s why you do something else now 🤡
Karen caused allot of problems.
100 %
Yup, all over a argument heard
I hope that Karen gets sued as well
agree 100%
exactly
This was the same Police Department that brought us the officer shooting his own police vehicle after an Acorn hit the roof of his car. They need a LOT more training in that department.
For real?!
@@bettysmith4527 YEP. Same Police Department.
Lol i watched that one too
Bunch of clowns i guess
Jeez gun happy department
What is the point to be able to bear arms and have a private residence if you can just get guned down by an officer..
The point is that you don't open the door to the cops with an unholstered handgun.
@@BigD509631 Was he acting within the bounds of the law, yes. Officer was clearly in the wrong and all this victim-blaming is disgusting. Y'all probably the same folks who ask a rape victim why she was out so late, and what she was wearing. ASP is clearly on the side of the officer, regardless of the fact that he just shot a man who had committed no crime inside his own home.
@Shanks4Smiles you're commenting from a moral based perspective rather than a legal based perspective. Learning that if you answer the door with a gun, you'll be legally shot by police can be the difference someone might need in the future. It's not about right or wrong its what CAN you do (in the confines of the law)
Ability, opportunity, intent. The airman had the ability and opportunity. I doubt a jury would find the simple presence of a gun in the decedent's hands proves criminal intent to justify the officer's actions.
@@Shanks4Smilesyou can hear him talking in the apartment before the deputy announced himself. He knew it was the police and still chose to open the door holding a gun. Darwin Award.
So guy is fighting on face time and the cops get called because he is yelling? Sometimes people need to mind their own business!
He wasn't fighting. His GF lives in ATL, and never said they were arguing.
That being said if you live in an apartment and the dude upstairs won’t stfu somebody has to tell them.
It SHOULDN'T be the neighbors business..... but when you're having a conversation that neighbors can hear, you're making it their business
That's white folks for ya...
said " Sometimes people need to mind their own business! "
And just how are the police supposed to know that he is on face time and she isn't in the apartment being battered? Perhaps you are a wife beater and think that is OK.
The bigger issue is the offer lied and said he raised his weapon toward him which prompted him to shoot. Let’s hold him accountable for that huge lie.
It's also that Police Department's policy to be accompanied by another officer on a domestic violence call. Another officer was on his way but superman rushed over so he could get paid leave. This is one of the same Acorn Cops from the incident a few months back, notice the cop was not in view of the peep hole when he banged on the door and said "it's the police." Also why didn't they go to the apartment where the actual incident took place. If he feared for his life he or the manger could have called.
He probably thought he raised his gun. The officer clearly acted in a knee jerk way and his brain probably told him the gun was raising, or it told him he must have been raising the gun, as he was trying to replay what happened in his mind. He definitely didn't process the information in front of him quickly. That's a problem.
@@blanketstarry7725 it's a problem that the officer didn't perfectly process the situation in less than a second?
while the video shows he was wrong about that, it does not mean he lied.
@@michaelmacpherson-wm6mh😅
Proof of why you NEVER open the door for law enforcement. A police officer can either get a warrant and come back, or give up and go away.
Or. Don't answer the door with a firearm in hand. You 100% can do what was suggested here and call 911 to verify who is at the door.
@@lovescarguitarWe're actually blaming the victim here? I mean I get, it's better to be alive than right. But we're actually blaming the fückîng victim here? The Airman was perfectly within his rights. He was executed by a triggerhappy thug.
Them ‘coming back with a warrant’ doesn’t necessarily solve this problem because the next knock might then knocking your door down and you defending yourself thinking it’s a home invasion.
@@lovescarguitar no need to call 911 to verify. if they have no warrant you don't need to answer it at all.
@@lovescarguitar you can. But your attorney would advise against it. Cops aren’t there to be your friend and determine what will happen. Their job is to gather evidence against you by pretending to be your friends and let you work it out in court. There’s a reason it’s called a legal system and not a justice system. The only thing that matters is what you can prove in court and the truth is a side note on both sides of the court room.
The idiot people giving false info need to be jailed.
I don't know about that. Could have heard the girl on the other end of the face time and thought she was there with him. Jail seems harsh
So that people won't call the police anymore? Genius idea.
Is it illegal to argue in your property?? She heard shouting 2 weeks ago ffs these karens getting people killed.
Astute name
You're the kind of person to complain when a girl gets killed by her boyfriend, "WhY diD nO ONe saY AnYThIng?"
By the way, the noise complaint is undeniable. STFU
I am curious what number of domestic violence cases end in people getting hurt. Maybe you should check it out
Are you stupid or something? You know how many cases have ended badly for the victim and it all started with arguing. It's called domestic abuse mental verbal and then it ends up being physical. And then you hear on the news "neighbors complained to police multiple times about hearing screaming and arguing but police never did anything "
@@Senpai_B why would I check it out if you are curious.... you want me to look and tell you what it is??
If you don’t believe the person on the other side of the door is the police then don’t open the door.
That has nothing to do with our right to open our doors armed in our homes. Shoulda, coulda, woulda, is not an answer. Do you want police to shoot you when legally armed?
@@nunyabidness323 is it a smart idea to open the door with a gun when someone yells police?
@@gabrielsantiago2525 Is it illegal?
@@kdawson020279 legal yeah smart no especially when it’s the police 🤷♀️
@@funkyKIDZ321 yeah don’t abuse women with a gun in you’re hand then come to the door with a gun when police knock, I know it seems like rocket science to you’re 💩🧠
If you have to grab a gun because of who is outside the door, don't open the door and barricade up.
If you're not sure whether it's ACTUALLY the police knocking, call 911 and figure it out.
This just sucks all the way around.
or just don't ever answer your door.
@@kingamadak7368 logical
Well I’m sure he didn’t think his life was in danger or else he’d have done that.
Stop making excuses!
@@Brobecreative35 he apparently did think his life was in danger if he felt like he needed a gun to answer the door…
The apartment manager has blood on her hands.
Never be on a jury. Too stupid. Calling in a domestic dispute call when she'd previously heard screaming and heard someone slap someone is completely justified and noble. Could have been a lethal threat to the partner, this one is tragic, but at the same time, completely utterly stupid for a home owner to answer a door to someone yelling Sheriff's Dept and put a gun in your hand...Air Force guy is a complete moron, and quite possibly an abuser of women if he's the one that was heard slapping someone. Next time you want to share a thought, try thinking first.
@locophoto6881 She obviously heard incorrectly. The owners of this apartment complex will surely be sued and have to pay damages to the victims family in a civil suit.
Not at all
@@peterteixeira2893 May want to get help with thinking …no way for you to know from the video that she “obviously heard incorrectly” genius. The things she heard previously she clearly said were on a different day so yes Captain IQ points, he very well Coukd gave slapped her or vice versa. Calling 911 doesn’t make an apartment complex liable for what a cop does idiot, they actually can be held liable for knowing someone might be in danger and intentionally not calling 911 …that’s called criminal negligence.
@@b.7811yes. 1000 percent all her fault. Officer should not face charges
This is so sad. You see the airmans left hand go up, as if he's telling the officer to stop or hold on. His right hand never moved. Lord be with his family.
He shoot same time when he saw a young blackman😞😞
He feared for his life at the simple thought of fearing for his life. Clearly not cut for this line of work
Don't open the door.
Yup. The cops never make things better. Just don't open the door.
Especially with a firearm in your hand. lmfao Darwinism
Next time burglars will say sheriffs office and homeowners will open doors without guns.
@@Badada394 HAHAHAH ok bud.
@@Wild_Maryland ok Bud what.? Robbers pretend and claim police all the time.
#1. Don’t open the door
#2. Have a doorbell camera you can speak through
#3. Have a holster for your firearm
In a apartment have a doorbell camera?👎
Imagine the struggling Americans not paying for that...
@@kaecake9575 stop drinking and getting high for one week and u can afford it
@@kingjay22411 What's this have to do with Men not having reproductive rights?
After all, my generation is coming after you.
@@kingjay22411Israel took my taxes
UPDATE: The Deputy has been fired from the Department. No charges filed yet, but still possible.
Thanks I've been looking for an update
I highly doubt he will get charged, it is so rare. Also he's probably working in the next County over
They always do that after they're fired or "RESIGNED" on their own smh @@magical8013
He will more than likely not be indicted for this.
@@magical8013Guess what? He got charged with manslaughter
I’ve been in this situation before. I went to a marijuana club. This guy went in. He was trying to get this girl’s number. I walked in. I was the responding officer. I asked the man to leave the establishment. The guy got mad and started running his mouth because I was kicking him out. The guy went to his car and grabbed his gun but never pointed it at me. I pulled my service weapon, aimed it at him, but never shot, because the guy never pointed the gun at me. I told him to drop the gun or get shot. The guy complied and I arrested him for carrying a concealed weapon, and brandishing a weapon in public. I can’t shoot unless someone points a gun at me. I can’t justify shooting someone unless I am shooting someone in self defense. I don’t think the kid had the intent to shoot. The gun was pointed at the ground. The kid opened the door with a gun in his hand which isn’t the best thing to do.
But I think there were bad choices made on either side. Why did the officer go to a potential domestic violence call for service, without a cover unit? That made no sense. Could a phone call have been made to the unit from the apartment tenant roster? Too many questions. I think the family will get a settlement from this matter. But money won’t bring back a loved one.
I think your situation was a little more sketchy than this one but this officer should have reacted similarly. If officers are allowed to gun down citizens for simply holding a firearm then how can anyone practice their 2A right without fear of being killed for it.
The problem is that you're wagering your life on being able to draw from your holster and shoot him faster than he can simply raise his hand and shoot you. Oh...and he's firearm trained too.
I know who I'd bet on.
Look, this is a shitty situation, but I'm with the ASP peeps on this one, in that both of them could have done better, and both could have done worse....but do I think this is criminal? Not based on the info so far....and not that I would be in law enforcement these days for any amount of money, but until other info sheds new light, I'm with the OCSD deputy on this one.
@@jasonbrannen7598false comparison. The officer can draw and point and still issue orders, as seen countless other times involving a suspect with a gun.
Its not clear why you were there. Dispatch sent you for sexual harassment?
@@Travisrogers87 oh ok and while he's issuing orders, is he also tending to the blood loss from his gunshot wounds? Because that's what we are talking about about here.
Same department as Acorn Cop. Kiddie Gunslingers, deadly results this time. Jury will award huge $ wrongful death to plaintiff.
yup and as usual we the taxpayers will be held responsible for cops mistakes while they continue to live and work as if it never happened
@@zenandtheartofskateboarding
Foolishness
Who is the plaintiff? He didn't even have a family. Cop needs to be in jail for life to get any justice at all.
@@bradallen1832Never happen. Quit being childish.
@@bradallen1832 He does have a family just not a wife etc. This young man was not a thug or all the other labels they like to place on Black men and he still got shot.
it's not complicated. I am a USAF police veteran. This young airman showed no INTENT to harm the deputy. This airman was slain, in his own country. This murderer even told his partner that they were "
good" because the airman had a weapon. This deputy killed a usaf airman, negligently af
The gun in hand opening the door after the deputy clearly identified himself is, indeed, at least some indication of intent and can be seen as such Dan. You should know that.
@@ActiveSelfProtection intent means that the weapon is AIMED. The weapon was not aimed. This deputy failed this firearms training scenario and killed a USAF combat veteran, in his own country.
Respectfully, opening the door with gun in hand communicates intent as well. With your training, you know better than most that once the gun is ‘aimed’ it’s too late.
@@ActiveSelfProtection respectfully, I like your channel. You have good content and commentary. This is a demonstration of the intent that was missing when a USAF airman was murdered, in his own country.... Once that person starts yelling threats, waving around a gun or knife, or displaying signs of aggression, it’s more likely they intend to harm you. The USAF airman was not waving or pointing his weapon. This means that there was no intent to use his weapon to harm that derilect deputy. The deputy executed the airman, before he could determine intent and that is going to be a mistake that will cost his county's sheriff's department and him. The airman was not pointing his weapon. The airman's intent to harm the deputy was not present. Intent is not a mind state. Intent means did the person have the intent to harm the victim, with a weapon or with their physical body. Was the gun in a position to be used, as intended.... no
@@ActiveSelfProtection the deputy got fired yesterday and the statement said that a reasonably objectionable person would not have used deadly force against SRA Fortson. That deputy commited pre-meditated murder against a USAF combat veteran.
What kind of weird dystopia do you live in to think that this might be justified? Citizens are allowed to be armed, especially in their own home. The victim never raised the weapon or threatened the deputy, the deputy just saw a weapon and started shooting.
We have rights, this isn't a police state, and they don't have any right to execute you in your home for being armed.
Because that guy answered the door with a gun in his hand 😂. That was not smart at all
@@strictlyformyninja That's 100% legal, and possibly necessary if you live in a bad area. The police don't have a right to execute you for doing nothing wrong.
@@strictlyformyninja We get it, it's funny to you when innocent people get killed, your parents must be so proud
@@briankupfer4929 Ok next time you get pulled over, greet the officer with the GUN in your hand. Let me know how it goes. We have rights but common sense also helps dingus.
@@georgekeep4512 Are you trying to say it would be justified to be killed then? The cop had no excuse, regardless of the outcome.
It's weird to see people arguing against opinions on the question of whether we think this was a good shoot, and your argument isn't even against the point I made, it's just "well that was dumb".
It was a bad shoot, the cop was in the wrong. Regardless of what common sense says, the law is fairly clear about it.
I know everybody saying don't open the door. But I really don't think cops should be trained to just shoot somebody standing in their own doorway. The guy wasn't pointing a gun and that cop absolutely overreacted immediately instead of retreating.
Why would you open the door with a gun in your hand when you know it's the police?
@@danjenkins2064 How do you think he knew it was the police? Just because someone is yelling sheriffs department? Also, not illegal for someone to be holding a firearm. He wasn't a threat.
@@Finny869 First, the officer knocks on the door hard af and says, “Sheriffs office, open the door!” Second, who comes to the door in the middle of the day with a gun in their hand? It’s not illegal, but it was a very poor decision on the guys part.
Just learned this cop comes from the same department as the cop who mag-dumped an acorn
@@danjenkins2064 I never said it was a good decision, but I'm not him. I don't know what he was thinking and neither do you.
So why speculate. Some dipshit sheriff killed a kid just starting his military career.
Have you been to Destin Florida? I have more then a few times. It is a shit hole and home invasions happen quite frequently. The mix of being near Eglin (all cities right near a base are shit holes) and the rampant drug issues in that area. I can figure out why he had his sidearm in his hand.
An unknown person knocks on your door, then steps out of sight of the peephole, then bangs louder, and steps to the side again. The one place you are allowed to have a gun in every state in the country is your home. This cop acted unreasonably. He was told there was yelling and screaming coming from the apartment. There was no yelling and screaming. Additionally, the 'witness' clearly stated she wasn't sure what door the yelling and screaming were coming from. Even the Sheriff said: "The objective facts do not support the use of deadly force as an appropriate response to Mr. Fortson's actions. Mr. Fortson did not commit any crime."
Just because you're standing inside your home, doesn't mean you have a legal right to brandish guns at people.
Having a gun in hand is brandishing, particularly when you do so while confronting someone.
@@georgezee5173 "Add to that the fact that he never spoke to an actual witness."
You don't understand what the word "witness" means.
@@dafunkmonster The legal definition of brandishing a weapon varies by state, but generally means to display or wield a weapon in a threatening or menacing manner. That never happened. Even the Sheriff said: "The objective facts do not support the use of deadly force as an appropriate response to Mr. Fortson's actions. Mr. Fortson did not commit any crime."
@dafunkmonster "For purposes of this subsection, the term “brandish” means, with respect to a firearm, to display all or part of the firearm, or otherwise make the presence of the firearm known to another person, in order to intimidate that person, regardless of whether the firearm is directly visible to that person."
According to the video we've all seen where and when did he intimidate the officer?
officer actually knocked three times n announced 'sheriffs office, open the door' twice after the first knock...
Police Fail.
Rule number 1: Karen's who make outlandish claims need to go to jail.
Rule number 2: If you are this skiddish, you should not be a cop.
"This is a wobbler." Sorry, John, I disagree. I fully agree that the officer's conduct was spot on until the actual opening of the door. At that point, with the gun pointed down, arm straight at the side, no aggression evident on the victim's face - the officer WITHOUT ANY COMMANDS, and WITHOUT ANY VISUAL CUES from the victim, drew and fired at the mere presence of the gun. I can visualize this officer drawing and shooting someone who turns around and lets him see a gun in the small of the back. I'd be willing to bet that this officer would fail a Hogan's Alley exercise if it had an armed civilian at one or more stages.
While your advice to not answer the door armed if it's the police is commendable and certainly valid on its face, that doesn't absolve the officer of the crime of manslaughter.
It takes a skilled shooter under 1 second to draw and take a shot with a concealed weapon. on the other hand It only takes a fraction of a second to point and shoot with a gun in already your hand, specially at close range. It is a tragedy but people a judging the officer without taking everything into account.
@BullseyeHTX - Yes, I'm judging the officer. There was zero reason to shoot. The officer shot because of "what if," "maybe," etc. Reacting to "what if" is based upon a fear level that a duty officer cannot have and remain a duty officer. Plus, one commenter has stated that the policy for his own department specifically mandates two officers on a DV call and that one was on the way. Why was he violating department policy? Don't know, but it shows the officer in the wrong already, and the errors continued after he listened for a while and determined relative quiet in the apartment - i.e. no immediate extenuating circumstances. Added to this that the Supreme Court has already ruled that the mere presence of a gun DOESN'T justify lethal force. The officer was in the wrong. While I don't jump to an accusation of murder, I do point out that manslaughter is defined as "the killing of a person in the heat of the moment." This certainly qualifies as manslaughter.
Brandishing a loaded firearm with Bravado. He knew the police were outside.
"no aggression evident on the victim's face"
Oh, so now we have to read a person's face to figure out their intent before using force in self-defense? Lol
How am I supposed to study the guy's face if I'm watching his hands?
@@dafunkmonster - Tunnel vision only happens "when shots are fired" if you get the reference. This was an investigation. No excuse for tunnel vision at that point. Yet that's what it seems the officer had from the start. Speed readers read a whole page at a glance. It's well within reason for an officer to pay attention to the whole person.
For the officer to respond as he did WITHOUT ANY COMMANDS shows an underlying fear level that NO duty officer should have and still be a duty officer. The other possibility is that the officer trained himself to draw and shoot at the mere sight of a firearm, which indicates a lack of concern for others and no regard for the law. Also not something a duty officer should do.
John, you said not to open the door. You also featured a video where a cop shot an old man THROUGH HIS SIDE DOOR GLASS. Didn't even get a chance to open a door.
I'm glad someone remembers this. Was this the old guy that was deaf and they knew he was deaf but still kept shouting?
They made a follow up video saying they were wrong on that
link?
Worse than that ... the Police had the wrong house!
OK, let me spell it out for you and the other low IQ people, Dont come to the door with a gun in your hand, If you have side windows that flank your door, the same principle applies. Don't be in view of police with a gun in your hand.
The supreme court has ruled that the mere presence of a firearm does not give them the right to shoot people. That should be especially true in a man's own home. Exercising the Right to bear arms is not a death penalty offense. I've seen other cases like this where the cops were charged and convicted. Unfortunately though, most of them aren't, even if the shooting was not legal/justified.
Again as a sane, sober, moral, prudent person why would you come to the door with a gun in your hand to meet the police. It is just a bad idea. You can cross the street on the walk symbol but that doesn't stop a bus from pancaking you even if you have the right of way.
Being a cop is dangerous! If that person had bad intent, the cop would've been dead if he gave the guy a chance to drop his weapon. Especially after getting a call to what was told a serious domestic violence situation. The cop has to be ready for the worst because domestic violence calls are the most dangerous calls for cops.
@georgezee5173 I guess you didn't watch the whole video? The cop loudly announced himself twice. Loud enough for the neighbors to hear. Knocking loudly is not suspicious. All cops do that. That's how they're trained, and it gets people's attention. Nothing suspicious about it. You think the cop was just hoping to create an opportunity to ambush and kill someone? Also, the people he spoke with in advance were telling him his girlfriend or wife was saying he's getting worse and they felt it was very serious, more so than their previous arguments. They heightened the officer's concern. They weren't nonchalant about it at all.
@@FREEDOMGUNNERhow ironic that someone with "freedom" in their username comes to defend the same department that lit up their own patrolcar over an acorn, the same department that gunned down this airman. Hypocrite.
@@FREEDOMGUNNER Knocking isn't enough. They have to announce themselves. He knocked and then he hid, so the man could not see him when he looked out the door. He got up TWICE and looked through his door and nobody was there. I think you're more ignorant on the subject and the LAW than you realize.
Nope, NOT justified.
I forgot it’s the civilians job to de-escalate situations.
Exactly. All the training in the world, and yet it’s always the citizens responsibility to not react or respond in a manner that the trained police officer won’t become scared and shoot you
@@ASISEEITPODCASTBeing trained at tactics doesn’t make you a super soldier that can dodge bullets. Still too early for anyone to know how the airman was holding his gun. And I believe as a human leo/citizen whether your being paid for it or not; your main prerogative is keeping your life. Very unfortunate that the young man came to the door with a gun in his hand while an officer was investigating a domestic violence call - but i do not believe the officer should lose his life trying to protect his/another. This is an unfortunate mistake that COULD HAVE been avoided by BOTH parties - but 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
@@wolfyjunior5034 one party made a mistake, and its not even an argument. The gun never came up, it was down by his side in the video. He IS allowed to possess a firearm in his own house. He didnt break any laws, and hadn’t committed domestic violence, as he was home alone. The idea that a cop can gun you down just for having a firearm in hand or nearby in your own home without breaking any laws is fucked up on many levels.
Duh, the cops only deescalate when their is good reason to. Dude says police so loud the cop knows the dude is aware and he answers with a gun. Bro coulda had it out of view but hell no. So it sucks but dude most definitely should have known better.
@@MsLeighton41 as i said, its the untrained civilians job to ensure the trained, armed police officer with guaranteed backup is comfortable and safe as he beats my door down lol. You arent supposed to shoot unless under direct threat, not the moment you see a possible threat.
At 4:09 you can see him raising his left hand, palm out to calm the officer, just before he is shot.
When have you ever seen a cop talking to someone with a gun in his hand? Brought it on himself.
@@derwolfpack3599 LOTS of times, surely you have to if you've been on RUclips. Matter of fact there's tons of videos on THIS channel where that exact thing happens.
@@derwolfpack3599 I’ve seen officers holding long conversations with people holding guns. It is not at all automatic that an officer will shoot at the sight of a firearm.
@@Allen-di6ne incorrect. I just watched it again in slomo. You can clearly see that his left hand is clear of the door, and completely down, before he raises it back up in response to the officer drawing his gun.
@@derwolfpack3599 There were enough inconsistencies in this situation that the cop should have been second-guessing the "witness" statements. The shooting is NOT justified, but the cop will get off and keep his job. Guaranteed!
Let's be real. The airman should have known not to answer the door with a gun in his hand.
Holding a gun DOES NOT constitute death. NOT JUSTIFIED.
Deputy Eddie Duran was "terminated" following an investigation by internal affairs, the Okaloosa County Sheriff's Office reported in a news release.
The investigation determined that Duran's "use of “unaliving” force" in the shooting of Senior Airman Roger Fortson "was not objectively reasonable and therefore violated agency policy," the sheriff's office said.
We can hope that the deputy will be prosecuted.
Cops can shoot you in your own home as long as you have a firearm aiming at the ground not pointing at anyone or anything?
You clearly missed some significant details here.
@ActiveSelfProtection So the officer went to the door, knocked, said NOTHING, and was out of view of the SrA.
This would have been my reasoning for having a weapon in my hand.
Then, knocked twice more, announcing who he was.
According to 2A and the castle doctrine in Fl the SrA was allowed by law to protect himself and had no duty to retreat.
He was not brandishing his weapon because there was no intimidation.
As soon as the door opened, the officer saw the weapon as a threat and responded, even though the SrA's only movement was hus left hand coming up. The weapon was in his right hand pointing towards the floor. It never moved!
I think with the clarity of the video and the details that we currently know to be true, this was not a justified shoot.
@@tneonwhite Well said
Even the Sheriff said: "The objective facts do not support the use of deadly force as an appropriate response to Mr. Fortson's actions. Mr. Fortson did not commit any crime."
@@tneonwhiteHe said "Sherrifs office open up...TWICE
Crazy how the birds are chirping, the sun is out, and then your life is just taken away.
Shot the homeowner in his own home ? WTF!
Lesson: don't open the door for police
*with a gun in your hand. Forgot that part
@@mitbbew6901 *unless they have a warrant. That's the only part worth adding, per the constitution.
@@mitbbew6901 EVER. Unless I am expecting you, I don't answer my door for anyone, period.
See where that gets you 👍
@@SteveMcbrainit don’t matter body cam don’t lie so I’m sure the cop lost his job for this
The number 1 goal in law enforcement is to “go home safely every day” - not to protect and serve - that’s what wrong with LEO in this day and age!
The three laws in I, Robot would be better than this.
Take it or leave it. That cop just murdered that airmen. That was unjustified. the gun was never raised.
Home invaders, on some occasions, impersonate cops.
Then dont open the door? 😂
5 shots?
fear reaction
Honestly, I think the truth is the type of person necessary for us to have ethical policing is basically someone who values the law more than their own life. You need police officers who would rather risk taking a bullet because they aren't certain than killing someone innocent out of fear. Those types of people definitely exist, but unless we massively shift the expectations of the career (and pay them a lot more money), I don't think we will ever see a caliber of policing that the American public will accept.
I get that this probably sounds like a completely unreasonable condition to a lot of people, but I honestly think it's the only thing that's realistic in a country that is as unique as America in terms of its liberties. A free country needs police who care more about the law than their lives.
My father was one of those. He was a combat Marine in Vietnam and then a cop for decades. He once put his firearm on the roof of his car before going into a domestic/hostage armed suspect situation and brought the guy out alive. He thought it was his duty to protect life. RIP Pop
Service members were held to that standard later on in the GWOT during the counter insurgency phase. If you can have an 18 year old comply with that it is not an unreasonable expectation for police.
And the same people want to micromanage Russia.
This is one of the wisest comments I've ever seen on social media.
I would add that cops of the caliber you envision would deserve courts and prisons framed on similar morals, but those components of our legal system are also a tragic bureaucratic farce in our country today.
This is what most of us believed until video evidence whether by Camcorder or body cam.
An innocent man was killed, that can never be considered just.
9:40 “ never answer the door with a gun in your hand” you have every right to answer the door with a firearm in your hand. This is the type of forfeiture of rights under the guise of compliance that is bringing us to the world. We are today there is no way you could twist this into ad justified shooting I’m actually quite taking a back by your analysis of this. The oldest belongs to law-enforcement, the “professionals” they need either better training or better enforcement of the training they receive. It’s absolutely despicable.
I dont think applying common sense is a forfeiture of rights. They never once said you dont have that right, actually they said the opposite. I think you have to think about what your doing and is it safe/ smart. Nothing the airman did warranted a death sentence nothing. I agree the analysis was weak because if you really watch the video, the gun was about as low as it can get and the man stepped back held his left hand up, very submissive. However the flip side is he answered the door swung it open and brandished a gun. I agree the shoot wasn't justified I'm just saying the airman didn't make wise decisions and his actions should be criticized. I've actually opened the door with a gun in my hand and I had the common sense to know it isn't smart to just have it so they could see it.. I cracked the door and had the gun hidden. I think this would have been a better option giving the airman time to say hey I have a gun I'm gonna lay it down.
Did you just say "taking a back"? I guess you like taking things for granite too.
this dept. is a whole mess all around..
Both side my ass. There is one side. This killer cop totally at fault Hope this family gets justice. Show was on other foot a citizen would be locked up and charged.
The only reason you could think this is 'wobbly' or hard to determine in if you think shiny badges grant special rights.
You and me would absolutely be responsible for those rounds. The only reason we might not be, is if we wore a shiny badge that gave us sovereign immunity
this video is reallllllly trying to apologize for a bad shot. keeps basically saying you're allowed and have the right to answer the door, but lets go ahead and tell people you dont need to do that. if its a right, you dont get to tell me what i need.
@@evanjohnson1815 rights aren't real, they're just lofty little nice ideas that we share among each other because those among us who are civilized enjoy following rules. problem is, not only are not all of us civilized including many of those in our government, but rules and principles are usually not good fits for every scenario you can encounter in reality.
combat training is all well and good, but the person who hones their shooting and martial arts to a fine edge while completely ignoring basic situational awareness and interpretation of posture is still a suicidal idiot. you can only come out of so many fights unscathed until you end up maimed or killed. avoiding needless conflict is always the superior option. dude should have pretended to be asleep and waited until the cop fucked off
How many times have home invaders announced THEY were sheriff's department and began kicking the door?
You know what, I actually have personal experience with a similar situation involving law enforcement. I was target shooting and zeroing my firearm, I was not at a range I was on public land outside of city limits. Someone called the cops on me and reported me as “a black man shooting in public”. Maybe 10 or so minutes after the call was placed an officer showed up which I had no idea about. I heard “do not reach for your firearm” and nothing else because I had hearing protection on. For some reason without even looking up (the officer was standing on top of and to the right of the hill I was where my targets were) I instinctively reached for my gun. I honestly have no idea why it’s just what I did. He shouted again “DO NOT REACH FOR YOUR FIREARM” and that’s when I looked up to see a Kern County sheriff’s deputy standing there with his rifle. He never once pointed his rifle at me, he obviously didn’t shoot me otherwise I likely wouldn’t be typing out this message. He instructed me to put my hands in the air and I did. He told me to leave my firearm where it was and come up the hill which I did. He told me to place my arms behind my back so he could pat me down which I did. After that we went down the hill, he cleared my gun, and asked for ID so he could run the serial number. While we waited for dispatch to run the serial number we had a conversation about recent laws and events in the 2A community. Everything came back to me and checked out fine. He told me that atleast two or three times a week people came out to shoot at the exact spot I was at and that that spot was too close to a road. He told me to put my gun in the trunk and my ammunition in the back seat and after that he told me of another spot maybe 2 miles further out of city limits where it was legal to shoot and where I wouldn’t be bothered and told me I was free to go home and change my draws as I looked quite nervous. We both laughed he thanked me for my compliance and I thanked him for his respect and we both left. All that to say this Okaloosa deputy should 100% be in prison for shooting this young soldier. If the mere presence of a firearm is enough to earn a summary execution, you should not be a police officer. I wasn’t executed even after reaching for my firearm after explicitly being told not to by the officer. That officer never even raised his rifle during our entire interaction and at the end of the day we both went home with no new holes in our bodies. That’s how this interaction should’ve gone too. Shameful, really.
What would you call it,John? Apartment floor temperature challenge.
Those are those completely in the wrong. This guy was wrong, but the wrong was shared by the officer. I understand the motivations of both. The actions of both combined to make tragedy. Tragedy is not a challenge.
Videos like this really showcase the divide between your viewers who like the lessons and the ones who just want to see chaos. Good luck John.
more like the divide between the people and the uniformed storm troopers....
It seems some haven't really watched and learned. Just foaming at the mouth.
@@FREEDOMGUNNER Exactly, you don't have to watch a ton of these to pick up the phrase "sane, sober, moral, prudent". Coming to your door with a gun in hand no matter who you think is on the other side is not prudent.
@@404unknownuser Stop brandishing guns at strangers.
@@Nomorenamesful The cop came to the door with a gun in hand.
You cannot justify this shooting and promote self defense in the same breath.
My question is if the rolls were reversed, would it still be justified because I have noticed that police unholster often without any justification for use of force just to be ready. So, does that make them a deadly threat to anyone not engaged in criminal activity?
Nope
No because they are above the law remember
Thats not the same
Cop over reacted technically I guess but opening the door for a cop with a gun in hand surely increases the danger 1000x.
Another train of thought- with the aspect and understanding of DV calls being very dangerous, and what not-
If you cannot open your own door, without immediately being gunned down by LE, what's the point of having a 2nd Amendment?
wrong
@@badbutton5869 I never said you can’t. I said it greatly increases the chances of being shot. Most people are able to separate living in the reality they want vs the reality we have.
@@matthewm8289 Thanks for your input. You really added context.😂
@badbutton5869 Never open the door with a gun in your hand. NEVER!
Cop is a Murderer. CASE closed.
I wish I could give you more thumbs up. I used to be a fan of these boot lickers
Pro tip: if you think it _may_ not be the police knocking and you don't have a way to look outside, talk through the door.
I love this channel, but there are parts of this assessment that lack critical thinking. The first issue I noticed is that the female manager that the officer was speaking with doesn't appear to be the person who witnessed (heard) the incident. She says, "she was saying that it happens frequently..." which suggests this information was told to her by someone else.
Additionally, when the officer asked her which door it was, she initially replied "I don't know" which was conveniently left out of the captioning. She then follows that up with "I'm not sure". Then she proceeds to talk about a different incident (which may or may not have been at the same apartment as the current incident) and directs the officer to an apartment where she thinks she heard an argument on another occasion, again after stating she didn't know and wasn't sure which apartment it was. She says, "I heard a slap... but I wasn't sure where it came from". This woman is part of the reason this happened.
The second issue is that we are being led by the provided captioning. I could not hear the word "police" at the time it appeared on the screen. However, at 3:36 I can hear someone say "who is it? " with no immediate reply from the deputy. That someone was saying "who is it" was also conveniently left out of the captioning. The brain can fool us into believing that we hear "police" because that's what we're reading. It's clear these words were placed there by the police department to make the viewer believe the Airman was aware there was an officer knocking at the door.
Regardless, none of this changes the fact that he never pointed his weapon at the deputy.
No way ,he executed that poor guy . So what if a guy had a gun in his hands when he opens door where he lives . Does not give the cop the right to shoot him .
Not true.
You gonna answer the door with a gun if you order pizza? Lol horrible logic
No it wasn’t he needs to go to prison.
It’s not about answering doors, it’s about OUR 2A RIGHTS BRO!?!?
That was definitely NOT a good shoot.
And if you think it isn't really a cop then you don't answer the door simple.
Number one lesson
When in the presence of a state enforcer you forfeit all of your rights as you are a criminal until proven innocent
😂😂wtf
Who needs enemies when you got enemies at home?
This deputy needs to be charged and arrested. He murdered an innocent service member.
Police should not fire unless fired upon. Same as the military. This is murder.
That isn't true, threat of deadly force can be met with deadly force in the military.
I've seen several robberies that started with "knock knock knock (local) police department" soon as the door is cracked its kicked right in the person's face. Then 4 people run in still claiming to be police and lay everybody on the ground.
Really?.......youve SEEN several robberies just like you described? BS
@@christiandulaney1638 replace "seen" with "participated in" and it all makes sense.
Once a long time ago, im a different person now. That was standard operating procedure at the time, I've also been robbed like that. I don't deal in the same things I use to though. I'm grown and have more people to provide for then I did then. Most the times I know of they only take things that you don't really want to call 911 and tell them you had in the first place.
Blaming the f--- victim?! You're way off base John and Mike! Some cops just suck.
John.... never answer the door with a firearm in your hand? You sure that's the route you're going with? 2nd amendment and on my private property does not give anyone the right to gun me down.
Rumor has it you all always take the cops side
Sounds like he blasted the guy as soon as he opened the door
The man never threatened the officer. Murder.
No one will address that the women said “I think” this makes me so mad. She created the whole situation this is bs and it pisses me off. To add to that this officer does not know that every American has a right to have a firearm in there home. Start charging the callers also who create these situations. She literally is talking about things from weeks ago smh
Whoever called the police is not at fault for this man's death.
So the deputy stopped and listened, knew there was no current fighting?
And that matters why? If you get called to check it out you still have to do a report and check it out even if there's not currently a fight happening
@@TheJacobbridges25 it matters because when the airmen turned around and didn’t present a threat the deputy fired anyway!
@michaelkaylor6770 he didn't turn until shots were already being fired brandishing IS a threat.
are you saying the deputy should’ve used a taser
As inaudible as the airman's words from the inside were is as equally inaudible was the deputy's words on outside
Anyone can bang on your door and claim to be the police. That doesn't mean that they're actually law enforcement.
Did you listen to the lessons?
THE COP GOT FIRED, THE TEENAGER DIED, NOBODY WINS
Why would the government need to win?
This is obviously not justified. Man was in his house and no actual crime was observed by the officer. As soon as you say he had the right to do that, then it isn't justified. Cop should do jail time and give all of his money to that guy's family.
These police need to realize that a certain amount of risk comes with their job. If they can not accept that risk in conjunction with the rights of free people they do not belong in uniform. There are plenty of other professions where they do not have the opportunity to mitigate their risk by killing someone else.
The cop legit was hiding from the peephole.... he wanted to kill him. He did not even say he was an officer on first knock, to make Airmen think it was a thug, or a pretender, so he went and got his gun to be safe. The officer knew he could get him with this, as if they studied this guy, and they probably did.... he died just being safe...
Is illegal to hold a gun in your own home? No. Did the airman commit a crime? No. Simple, officer should be arrest immediately for murder. To go from shooting to drop your gun shows the fear that gripped this pathetic officer. He could have pulled the gun and not fired.
not justified ! gun isn't pointed at the officer, is not moving at all...
this door didn't appear to have a thing to see throw it, so the guy inside cannot see that's police.
And that's really really kick ! what if the guy inside had something that could look like a gun ? With the speed that he got on is reaction time, he may not make the difference. So NO ! He shouldn't shot that kick and so easily ! That's terrifying
This will never be ok
I'm a federal officer, and you just can't trust witnesses, at all. Question everything. The witness said at first she said "I'm not sure" regarding two weeks ago. And "I wasn't sure where it came from" so she didn't call the police about the argument. Then when asked which apartment, she immediately gave a room number. Which is it? You don't know, you aren't sure, or is this the room? The cop didn't pin that down very well. Shit went downhill after that missed opportunity to get the call right. As an aside, when I'm on a Zoom/Teams call, I have headphones or ear buds on. Probably couldn't hear the deputy call out. Seeing the gun, the deputy WAY over reacted. He screwed he pooch on that, and ruined many lives. I think the Deputy should be charged. No question.
I don't think there's any way he gets convicted.
So you’d rather that he do a full investigation before making contact to what has been described to him as a rapidly escalating DV situation?
John you ARE WRONG. He had every right to have a gun in his hand AT HIS SIDE.
That deputy open fired multiple shots at this boy when he had his gun at his side, and THEN told him to drop the gun. This is crap. Lost respect for your channel.
Alittle better training? You've got to be kidding me. He was murdered by a wimp of a cop.
I think it's worth pointing out that there is a huge difference between the officer not standing directly in front of the door and him walking down the hallway so he is completely hidden from view of the peep hole
And then he walked back directly in the line of of the peephole and announced “sheriffs office” so what’s your point?
No.
No.
I'm amazed you were able to make that distinction the minute the video dropped.
But Maybe. 🤷
@@stephenpetersen354 I have eyes and have seen the video before.
@@Mike.The.Jeweler hate watching and commenting is odd behavior my friend.
Wow so you can't have a gun in your hand now, in your own home?
She heard slaps, she heard the B word, she had no clue. This was a virtual argument as he was on the phone. I would not open my door with a gun in hand.
She didn't hear anything. She called 911 because someone else supposedly said they heard things. She didn't hear or witness anything on that day. She is purely a 4th person "witness" at best. The deputy knew this and still acted on that as if it were actual reasonable suspicion.
I wouldn't open the door. Go get a warrant and kick the door in or go jump off a cliff officer.
This sounds like the neighbor called to make trouble for him.
I think charges need to be filed against the neighbor.
That's straight up bullshit.. the cop should be charged with manslaughter at very least.. protect and serve??????smfh. Cop panicked plain and simple.
When your life is on the line let’s see you make a cool calm collected decision without any hindsight information. Every bit of information he was working with at the time led him to believe the guy had ill intent. I’m not saying it was the absolute best decision ever to fire, but if we were watching the exact same video and the guy did rip that gun up but the officer fired when he did, (so, no time delay, basically exact same decision) we would all be saying good job officer, you interpreted this situation correctly based on the information you had at the time. There’s lessons for both sides, but it’s pretty obvious the biggest lesson is don’t nonchalantly open the door with a gun. Even if this was a criminal identifying as police, that guy wasn’t really acting like that was a possibility. So biggest lesson, don’t open the door with a visible gun, there’s literally no good reason for that. Speaking of trained, this guy was supposedly special forces. He’s trained to. That means whether he thinks he’s responding to police or he’s responding to someone identifying as police who’s there to rob him, he didn’t respond appropriately. Of course he didn’t deserve to die for that. But the officer didn’t shoot him for his bad decision. He shot him because a guy on a DV call answered the door with a brandished gun after being told twice that it was law enforcement and the officer may well have heard the guy say “something something police”. All of that is relevant.
What law did the guy answering break . Was it illegal to answer the door with a pistol in his hand??mabey a bad decision but not illegal. If it was your Granddaughter would it make a difference?? The cop was obviously fast enough to get the upper hand. There was no reason to fire yet..
Unjustified.
Just to let you know that it was just on the news that the officer was terminated.
That's his castle. He can have a gun in hand, it's the police who was supposed to show restraint
This LEO panicked when he saw the gun in the airman’s hand. I wasn’t there, so I can not say what was going through his head. There were no commands prior to discharging his weapon. This was a bad shoot. No two ways about it.
NOT Justified! Totally LEGAL to carry weapon of any kind while in personal property and in NO way did victim act aggressively or threatening! Who knows, not cop, if the person opening the door was the person in question/involved in call. Going into unknown situation, should've asked first! Again, Absolutely LEGAL to Carry Gun on personal property! Even in front of cops or answering door! Bad Cop!
What was he thinking opening the door to a deputy with a pistol in his hand?
Guess he thought he had the right be bear arms and be secure in his home.
@@RalphRacc00N Any time cops show up and you have a gun in your hand, you are getting shot. If he was worried I don’t know why he opened the door.
Finally someone with some common sense.
You mean someone shouting sheriff's office but subversively stepping to the side when you check who is there? Not suspicion at all. The only crime this young man did was addressing the active threat rather than hiding in his home.
@@thematthewbox Ya ok lol