This is why this case fascinates me, both my parents had narcissistic personality disorder and I was the family scapegoat, my mother totally distroyed my relationship with my brother through lies and triangulation.. Robert is the healthy one...the one that got away
@@aprils6935 💯 SAME! Exactly what has occurred with me over my entire lifetime. Only, now, my 3 younger brothers ARE turning to me after she successfully got them in their young adulthoods to turn their backs on their only & oldest sister. Because, guess what? Now theu are all married with wives & children & the wives as itturns out won't put up with my extremely wealthy, narc mother's behaviors...Imagine that.... 😆 😂🤣🙄
Listening to Donna on this phone call and seeing her yesterday in court, it’s hard to believe it’s the same person. She’s all judgy and “in charge” on the phone but looked old and pitiful in the courtroom. I have to wonder if any of them have a conscience. Like this call was two years after Danny’s murder and they’re talking like they hadn’t a worry in the world.
I find it interesting that Robert is so guarded with his mother and it's never caused Donna to do any introspection about her own actions towards him. If one of my daughters was so "off" with me, I wouldn't gossip about it with her sister. I'd ask why and actually listen when she told me. But, then again, I allow them to live their own lives and make their own choices.
Rob has already realized there is no point to having a discussion about it. Probably because it always turns into a discussion of how Rob and everyone else mistreat Donna. So instead, he does the ONLY thing you can do if you're forced to have interactions with these people, and he gray-rocks her. *(a self-protective technique you employ whereby you give the narcissist as little engagement as you are required to, you don't react, you never reveal anything personal, you aren't happy, sad or angry - you're just BORING af.)* Note how both Donna and Charlie accuse Rob of being a mrdring POS like they are, he just hasn't carried it out yet. Textbook.
Yeah good point Charlie- you should have more than 1 child in case one of them turn their back on you. She had 3 children and now she can't talk to ANY of them! 🤣 And it's looking like all 3 are turning their backs on her! 🤗
Well he's got one family member / sibling that has already been convicted of murder, you've got his no mother being charged with murder, and the potential for his sister to also be charged...... I think he's probably highly embarrassed that all this garbage is out for the whole world....
I think more likely he’s thankful to be estranged from them, but probably not laughing. Just happy to not be involved with that sick family situation anymore.
I do not know about him laughing but am sure he is finally truly proud of himself for standing his ground. It is finally clear to the world, that he was right all along and he truly must be as relieved and he is sad. It must be highly embarrassing to be connected to these lot even if only by name
Yeah but in a way Robert is not the one that looks the nicest. And Donna and Charlie are the good guys in this instance. roberts parents and family go out of their way to stay in his life and he just shuts them out. The grandparents sincerely wanted to see their grandkids. They would happily spend a whole day in a car just to do that. And having lost their first grandkids this way, it is possible it started this whole chain reaction when they thought they would not see the other ones too. Can't help but siding with Donna regarding Roberts here. Perhaps because I've seen something similar in my own family. For a grandparent the grandkids are massively important. Their whole world. And just to be snobbed by a son or daughter is extremely distressing. Even without the grandkids in the mix. Now having the ex son in law killed is beyond the pale obviously. But it started from somewhere, possibly from a deep-seated fear of abandonment. And I'm not saying That Robert is responsible for Markel murder neither. That would be ridiculous. But the dynamics here sheds new light in favour of Donna and her "good son" Charlie.
@@sylvaincroissant7650but it was the family system which caused the rift, the constant interference in Robert’s life, choosing his first wife (because his current wife was the woman he loved). I think the family was the issue, the narcissistic mother was choosing the spouses of 2 of her 3 children.
@@ErinAbou yes. But that's what you heard from people extremely biased against the Adelsons. It was said that Robert had no more contact and that it was because Donna had told him "never to come back if he married the wrong woman". Pretty sure I heard that. It turns out that is entirely wrong. And Donna and Harvey go out if their way to patch up. So I'm not sure. I truly feel very bad about Donna here.but well. If she is involved and if she does not acknowledge it there is a big problem with her.
@@sylvaincroissant7650YIKES 💜pls educate self on Narcissistic Abuse, Grey Rocking, No Contact - Robert didn’t “abandon” his mother for no reason - there’s usually a lifetime of reasons a child makes the v tough decision to finally prioritize themselves & loved ones over societal demands of letting ppl get away with abuse & tactics just bc they’re blood-related. IMO, a mother or father has even less “excuse” to abuse their own child than a stranger would. Some parents are terrible, often covertly; pls don’t fault the abused for finally having their own life & health & sanity 💜Robert is likely an empath; I hope he’s healing from his nightmare birth-family & is able to enjoy some peace & real family of his own
Donna saying that ‘he’s gonna go off one day’ because it’s odd how ‘ he doesn’t feel anything’ is wild. The irony of it all. I hope Robert knows he’s the sane one of this family and choosing not to be close to them was the best thing for him. Barriers between toxic family is healthy
She is such a narcissist she doesn't realize how COMPLETELY she has misread her own understandably, self protective, very emotionally intelligent son. Neither she nor Charlie understand a single thing. Pathetic.
Right?! The insane irony of Donna saying Robert “doesn’t feel anything” when she had a family member murdered and is living her life like its all perfectly normal!🤦♀️ I’m sure Robert has learned the technique of “grey rocking” when communicating with Donna, which she interprets as unfeeling. No, Donna, thats Robert protecting his feelings and his family from you!
I think psychologists call it mirroring. Donna is actually describing herself as if looking in a mirror when she's describing Robert. So, so sad for all of the victims in this family. Especially the two innocent children.
If anyone is interested, go to "Over My Dead Body" Podcast & they have an EXCELLENT 6-7 series interviewing Robert & his wife re: the aftermath & the eventual estrangement they encountered when the other 4 Adelsons were completely uninterested in finding out who killed their nephews' father & how Wendi immediately had their last names officially & legally changed from Markel to Adelson.
@@veraspresser5503 YT doesn't allow the ability ti share links anymore, but go up to the magnifying glass in the upper right hand corner, type in Over My Dead Body Podcast" & it takes you to their channel.
@@Hof79905 did you hear the concern in Donna's voice about wanting to make sure Ben got to spend time with the Markels for his birthday ° she is disgusting 🤢🤮🤢🤮
Donna and Charlie have such a lack of insight and take no accountability. Donna to Robert: I was an attentive parent! Forget the hit I ordered on your brother-in-law and the overbearing control I tried to have on your marriage.🤦♀️
Robert didn’t want to see you, Donna! He doesn’t want you interfering in his life, his marriage and family life. She can’t comprehend that she’s the one with a personality disorder. He’s not warm with you because you hurt him when you interfered in his choices before.
I’m sure they treat the DIL who’s not Jewish very poorly. And, how they essentially made him marry his first wife wasn’t treating him well either. Thank you very much.
Yes! Of course not an ounce of self reflection. It can't possibly be anything she has done. Typical narcissist. Robert is surviving a narc parent by grey rocking. Good for him
@@dorgan881 - I find it rich that both of them conclude that Rob's flat affect towards them means he's a future homicidal wife-mrder. They always tell you who they are, don't they.
OH! How could I forget! The most IMPORTANT of all loss...her 2 grandkids, Lincoln and Ben! They loved their grandmother and looked upon Charlie as a father figure, to fill the gap. They were primarily responsible for the death of their dad. Pray, pray, pray for those 2 boys. They will have some real trust issues.
I’m just gobsmacked that Grandma Gotti, Beetlejuice, Cruella and Grandpa Gotti can live life in front of those two sweet, innocent little boys as if they had nothing at all to do with erasing their wonderful, loving, supportive father from their lives…..forever. 🤢😡🤢😡🤢😡🤢😡
Donner,, the family organizer ( a/k/a the bus driver). They are both "so smart" that they are paying the price for taking a man's life (a father, a brother, a son and a friend). Karma baby!
When I think about it, Donna really didn’t get to enjoy her Sunshines as much and as long as she hoped. Within approximately two year’s of her involvement with taking out ex son in law Dan Markel Sigfredo was arrested. That got her and Charlie worried. And the two Grandson’s got closer to their teenage years and had different interest and lives of their own. What a quagmire she’s in as her Attorney Rashbaum was forced to withdraw from the case. The moment Rashbaum left the Courtroom he will have zero contact with her until at least after her conviction. I’m betting Harvey will be expecting Rashbaum to Pay some of that money back and he’s not above using the Florida Bar to accomplish getting his refund.
They don't get it, the brother doesn't like them because they are annoying, negative psychopaths. Maybe be normal and he would want to see you and talk to you.
Yeah, you need to have more than one kid in case their dimwitted father goes to prison for the rest of his life and that way they won't have to be embarrassed by themselves. 🙄
Donna calling her grandson "son" is very annoying. I shouldn't feel happy for others suffering but I'm so glad these two are getting what they deserve now, all that arrogance gets you nowhere.
Robert must have put two and two together and figured out that his parents and siblings were behind the murder of his brother-in-law. How can you blame him for keeping these sociopaths at arm’s length?
It’s sadly hilarious that Charlie espouses this “you need to have more than one kid” theory- it Donna and Harvey stopped after Robert this world would be a better place.
I would love to talk with Robert and dig a little deeper! I think I know just a handful of families where there isn’t any unresolved issues. Charlie is so protective of his mom and she lives and dies for him. I love my son as well but if I talked with him more than once a week it would be a little weird. Look at Joel and Karm. Not sure this is much different.
You’re not equating Joel & Karm w Charlie & Donna, right? Bc that’d be absurd. And let’s not put any numbers on what’s “weird” or that what you & your son do is the only way. IMO the healthy amount of times a parent communicates/is with their adult child should only depend on what they both genuinely enjoy/consent to. Esp when ppl have been thru deep trauma, war, dv, or anything like that - it often builds a much stronger bond - and not this surface nonsense of Donna & Charlie, either. PS no family / individual exists on the planet w/out some unresolved trauma - except possibly Buddha or similar enlightened beings 🪷
The irony is rich here. Considering Charlie just put the screws to Donna's surrogate son Rashbaum representing her! So obviously she needs 3 kids. . . Oh, but wait, Wendi was the instigator of Dan's murder and she is living the good life while mommy and Charlie are rotting away in jail/prison! Wendi is ghosting them both! Poor old Harvey left all alone 😔 😂
Oh God, I get so sick of listening to Charlie giving advise in these phone calls and acting as if he’s the very voice of reason and intelligence. Listening to him and Donna speak poorly about their own family members in such a disparaging way shows you EXACTLY who and what they are. Thank God Robert cut himself off from these evil people.
Poor little son of Dan having to look up to Chuckles 🙄. Robert is so much smarter than his "mom". Now he doesn't have to make excuses to not talk to the co-conspirators.
Them acting like something is wrong with that brother, is wild. He knows what you all did and he wants so far away from yall. Charlie wants to make his moma happy in any way:
😹😹😹They are the only people on the planet, DA & CA, who wonder why he doesn’t want to be around them! A they have no self awareness. Their conversation about Rob’s future when the kids will be out of the house is too funny! NEWS FLASH: he won’t be serving life without!!!
He’s surely relieved about not having to feign politeness with these people. Or at least passive indifference. Now the world knows what they did. Maybe Donna understands now why he loathes her? Probably not.
Yes she has a full time nanny now in her mom and she can now be continually spoiled and doted upon by her mom and dad, with Charlie the lesser loved child to do the part time daddy duty for the man you all got rid of. It warms my heart.
@@OldPuebloHops Wendi is still quite the little strategizer as she can meet men from other countries who have no idea of her infamy and at the same time pick one from a non extradition country. I hear wedding bells already as she sails away.
dragging the kids with them on an adult cruise because they are never with the mother. This murder was done for Donna so she could have the kids. Wendi never had the boys. When Donna watched the kids she was on the phone half the time. Harvey & Donna were the taxi cabs to and from lessons making sure the boys ate and were washed and ready for bed.
He totally ignores that that lady has her hands full making dinner and tries to get off the phone with him for at least 20 minutes and he just keeps talking over her. I’ve got to have your full attention. Mom forget about those kids. Wow!
There is something wrong with these people. Charlie and Donna are exactly the same. Everything in every relationship is transactional with them and they are completely blithe to it and they are sure Robert is the psycho one.
If Donna is not the centre of her kids universe 24/7 she brands them as the devil, it has to be all about Donna all the time. Maybe they didn't want to see you duh.....always the victim, poor me, feel sorry for me, put me first.
These 2 trashing Roberts character while knowing they paid to have a wonderful man killed 😡
This is why this case fascinates me, both my parents had narcissistic personality disorder and I was the family scapegoat, my mother totally distroyed my relationship with my brother through lies and triangulation.. Robert is the healthy one...the one that got away
Amen 🙏 and I think you and I are heathy (or working on it) now. Sending hugs 🤗
Blessings-I’m glad you are/were able to appreciate the pathology to understand it was never you. 💛💛💛
❤
@@aprils6935 💯 SAME! Exactly what has occurred with me over my entire lifetime. Only, now, my 3 younger brothers ARE turning to me after she successfully got them in their young adulthoods to turn their backs on their only & oldest sister. Because, guess what? Now theu are all married with wives & children & the wives as itturns out won't put up with my extremely wealthy, narc mother's behaviors...Imagine that.... 😆 😂🤣🙄
I am sure his wife is his rock....she saved him as well.
Robert knew something was off with his family, that's why the caution.
He sure did! He kept himself, wife and family at a safe distance for a good reason.
Listening to Donna on this phone call and seeing her yesterday in court, it’s hard to believe it’s the same person. She’s all judgy and “in charge” on the phone but looked old and pitiful in the courtroom. I have to wonder if any of them have a conscience. Like this call was two years after Danny’s murder and they’re talking like they hadn’t a worry in the world.
Where is Wendi? Is she visiting mom? Calling her? Letting her speak to the boys?
They have no clue Rob definitely stepped away because he realized they were murderers…
I find it interesting that Robert is so guarded with his mother and it's never caused Donna to do any introspection about her own actions towards him. If one of my daughters was so "off" with me, I wouldn't gossip about it with her sister. I'd ask why and actually listen when she told me. But, then again, I allow them to live their own lives and make their own choices.
Good point
Really good point
Agreed, but as we know introspection is not permitted in the narcissistic mind-that’s dangerous work to their vapid, insecure selves.
Rob has already realized there is no point to having a discussion about it. Probably because it always turns into a discussion of how Rob and everyone else mistreat Donna. So instead, he does the ONLY thing you can do if you're forced to have interactions with these people, and he gray-rocks her. *(a self-protective technique you employ whereby you give the narcissist as little engagement as you are required to, you don't react, you never reveal anything personal, you aren't happy, sad or angry - you're just BORING af.)*
Note how both Donna and Charlie accuse Rob of being a mrdring POS like they are, he just hasn't carried it out yet. Textbook.
You absolutely get it
Yeah good point Charlie- you should have more than 1 child in case one of them turn their back on you. She had 3 children and now she can't talk to ANY of them! 🤣 And it's looking like all 3 are turning their backs on her! 🤗
And thank you @prettyliesandalibis for bringing us these wiretaps!!
And also I thought everyone had heard of the hare krishna.
Robert is the only intelligent, moral one in the entire family. Bet he’s laughing his ass off about now 😂
Well he's got one family member / sibling that has already been convicted of murder, you've got his no mother being charged with murder, and the potential for his sister to also be charged...... I think he's probably highly embarrassed that all this garbage is out for the whole world....
I think more likely he’s thankful to be estranged from them, but probably not laughing. Just happy to not be involved with that sick family situation anymore.
Yes he is! Yes he is! 🤣😂🤣 Donna back to your cell for 12-18 months… you are going to get a fair trial ⚖️👨🏾⚖️
I think he's as relieved as sad. Imagine all these years of exclusion , gaslighting and being ridiculed by HIS OWN FAMILY 😢
I do not know about him laughing but am sure he is finally truly proud of himself for standing his ground. It is finally clear to the world, that he was right all along and he truly must be as relieved and he is sad. It must be highly embarrassing to be connected to these lot even if only by name
This call is a shock to me.. I’ve never heard Donna and Charlie discuss Robert, wow.
Yeah but in a way Robert is not the one that looks the nicest. And Donna and Charlie are the good guys in this instance. roberts parents and family go out of their way to stay in his life and he just shuts them out. The grandparents sincerely wanted to see their grandkids. They would happily spend a whole day in a car just to do that.
And having lost their first grandkids this way, it is possible it started this whole chain reaction when they thought they would not see the other ones too.
Can't help but siding with Donna regarding Roberts here. Perhaps because I've seen something similar in my own family. For a grandparent the grandkids are massively important. Their whole world. And just to be snobbed by a son or daughter is extremely distressing. Even without the grandkids in the mix.
Now having the ex son in law killed is beyond the pale obviously. But it started from somewhere, possibly from a deep-seated fear of abandonment. And I'm not saying That Robert is responsible for Markel murder neither. That would be ridiculous. But the dynamics here sheds new light in favour of Donna and her "good son" Charlie.
@@sylvaincroissant7650but it was the family system which caused the rift, the constant interference in Robert’s life, choosing his first wife (because his current wife was the woman he loved). I think the family was the issue, the narcissistic mother was choosing the spouses of 2 of her 3 children.
And the only reason why she kvetches with Charlie as if he’s her best friend instead of son, is because he’s not married, he’s a confirmed bachelor.
@@ErinAbou yes. But that's what you heard from people extremely biased against the Adelsons. It was said that Robert had no more contact and that it was because Donna had told him "never to come back if he married the wrong woman". Pretty sure I heard that. It turns out that is entirely wrong. And Donna and Harvey go out if their way to patch up.
So I'm not sure. I truly feel very bad about Donna here.but well. If she is involved and if she does not acknowledge it there is a big problem with her.
@@sylvaincroissant7650YIKES 💜pls educate self on Narcissistic Abuse, Grey Rocking, No Contact - Robert didn’t “abandon” his mother for no reason - there’s usually a lifetime of reasons a child makes the v tough decision to finally prioritize themselves & loved ones over societal demands of letting ppl get away with abuse & tactics just bc they’re blood-related. IMO, a mother or father has even less “excuse” to abuse their own child than a stranger would. Some parents are terrible, often covertly; pls don’t fault the abused for finally having their own life & health & sanity 💜Robert is likely an empath; I hope he’s healing from his nightmare birth-family & is able to enjoy some peace & real family of his own
Donna saying that ‘he’s gonna go off one day’ because it’s odd how ‘ he doesn’t feel anything’ is wild. The irony of it all. I hope Robert knows he’s the sane one of this family and choosing not to be close to them was the best thing for him. Barriers between toxic family is healthy
She is such a narcissist she doesn't realize how COMPLETELY she has misread her own understandably, self protective, very emotionally intelligent son. Neither she nor Charlie understand a single thing. Pathetic.
Right?! The insane irony of Donna saying Robert “doesn’t feel anything” when she had a family member murdered and is living her life like its all perfectly normal!🤦♀️ I’m sure Robert has learned the technique of “grey rocking” when communicating with Donna, which she interprets as unfeeling. No, Donna, thats Robert protecting his feelings and his family from you!
Barriers ... that's the best thing.
@@kate1830 THISITY THIS THIS THIS!!
I think psychologists call it mirroring. Donna is actually describing herself as if looking in a mirror when she's describing Robert. So, so sad for all of the victims in this family. Especially the two innocent children.
If anyone is interested, go to "Over My Dead Body" Podcast & they have an EXCELLENT 6-7 series interviewing Robert & his wife re: the aftermath & the eventual estrangement they encountered when the other 4 Adelsons were completely uninterested in finding out who killed their nephews' father & how Wendi immediately had their last names officially & legally changed from Markel to Adelson.
Can you tell me where to find it, please. I looked everywhere and can't find it.
@@veraspresser5503 YT doesn't allow the ability ti share links anymore, but go up to the magnifying glass in the upper right hand corner, type in Over My Dead Body Podcast" & it takes you to their channel.
@@veraspresser5503 I can't leave the link per YT policy. Everyone else has found it using the info I made clear above...good luck...
I will do it. Thank you!
Uncle Charlie will not be attending any more of Ben’s birthday party’s.
@@Hof79905 did you hear the concern in Donna's voice about wanting to make sure Ben got to spend time with the Markels for his birthday ° she is disgusting 🤢🤮🤢🤮
Donna and Charlie have such a lack of insight and take no accountability. Donna to Robert: I was an attentive parent! Forget the hit I ordered on your brother-in-law and the overbearing control I tried to have on your marriage.🤦♀️
Well, other than that…
Robert didn’t want to see you, Donna! He doesn’t want you interfering in his life, his marriage and family life. She can’t comprehend that she’s the one with a personality disorder. He’s not warm with you because you hurt him when you interfered in his choices before.
Exactly she is too thick to see that
Exactly!
He also is probably in fear of his wife's safety.
California isn't far enough away!
Robert is one fortunate man. Wise that he kept his distance and probably for very good reason.
Donna: pack your bags. I’m going to take you on a guilt trip. She always tells Charlie how much she’s done for Robert and Wendi.
Listening to all these calls between these 2, you can understand why robert didn't want to be anywhere near them just to listen to their bullsht 😅
Seriously she says “if he can turn it off like that”! She turned against Robert and cut him off for years!
The very next day (26th) Sigfredo is arrested for Dan's murder....I would love to hear the Charlie-Donna call after they get that news.
They are somewhere? Or used App?
Such irony! Charlie jokingly tells Donna “you need to have more than one kid” Donna has three but now she actually has zero today
And Rashbaum, who was "like a son" to her cannot even be her attorney any more.
Thank god one of their children was born with a conscience.
@@stugrant01 never thought of that!
@@gaganorthofthe49th62So true! The Adelsons dont have their frontal lobe developed thus no consciousness, omg! I think they are reptiles.
Tim Jansen said today that Charlie took Rashbaum , Donna’s only lifeboat away from her. Now, she is alone in that cell without anybody.
I’m sure they treat the DIL who’s not Jewish very poorly. And, how they essentially made him marry his first wife wasn’t treating him well either. Thank you very much.
Thank God they didn't have her killed.
2 Narcissists at their Peaks of PHYCHO
It’s unreal but gives insight into how people like this have no clue to anything but their own ego. It’s just not there.
Thanks for posting this Gigi. It is incredibly informative. Have seen people talking about it everywhere all day.
Uncle Charile and grandma Donna have not one drop of guilty about killing their grandkids/nephews father. Sick.
Donna back to your cell for 12-18 months… you are going to get a fair, conflict free trial 😮⚖️👨🏾⚖️
He just ignores the fact, that his mother is trying to take care of the boys. He just rambles on!
It's all about him.
Respect for Robert who broke the cycle,I bet that wasn’t easy
The boys seem very sweet. So sad they landed in the Adelson family 😢
Will ben be visiting South Dakota to see uncle Charlie. For his birthday..
I think Robert knew they did it and stayed away. He distanced himself in case they got caught, which he knew they would.
This is how narcissists react when they are "gray-rocked."
Yes! Of course not an ounce of self reflection. It can't possibly be anything she has done. Typical narcissist. Robert is surviving a narc parent by grey rocking. Good for him
@@dorgan881 - I find it rich that both of them conclude that Rob's flat affect towards them means he's a future homicidal wife-mrder. They always tell you who they are, don't they.
You can't win with a narc monster mom.
AMEN.
Good on ya, Robert!
12:23...Oh you lost him Donna, and then some...1st you lost Robert, then Wendi (with en eye) now Chahalee...AND YOUR FREEDOM
OH! How could I forget! The most IMPORTANT of all loss...her 2 grandkids, Lincoln and Ben! They loved their grandmother and looked upon Charlie as a father figure, to fill the gap. They were primarily responsible for the death of their dad. Pray, pray, pray for those 2 boys. They will have some real trust issues.
Life goes on as if nothing happened!!
It’s horrifying
I’m just gobsmacked that Grandma Gotti, Beetlejuice, Cruella and Grandpa Gotti can live life in front of those two sweet, innocent little boys as if they had nothing at all to do with erasing their wonderful, loving, supportive father from their lives…..forever. 🤢😡🤢😡🤢😡🤢😡
Smartest thing Charlie will ever say: “You gotta have more than one kid…”
Their lack of self awareness is crazy!
*Two narcissists trying to figure out what's wrong with the normal child!* That's laughable! I'm glad at least one of them got away.
Time for a rethink on your "I've gotten a lot smarter" comment, Donna Sue.
Donner,, the family organizer ( a/k/a the bus driver). They are both "so smart" that they are paying the price for taking a man's life (a father, a brother, a son and a friend). Karma baby!
I’ve never heard worse advice than what Charlie gives 😂
Wendi is every bit the monster as these two. Maybe even worse as she made this all happen.
9:35 The irony of Donna saying there's "something wrong" with her estranged son Robert.
She obviously was awful to her older son. Why would he want to see her. It's not all about you Donna!!
Robert is the smartest one evidently.
When I think about it, Donna really didn’t get to enjoy her Sunshines as much and as long as she hoped.
Within approximately two year’s of her involvement with taking out ex son in law Dan Markel Sigfredo was arrested.
That got her and Charlie worried.
And the two Grandson’s got closer to their teenage years and had different interest and lives of their own.
What a quagmire she’s in as her Attorney Rashbaum was forced to withdraw from the case.
The moment Rashbaum left the Courtroom he will have zero contact with her until at least after her conviction.
I’m betting Harvey will be expecting Rashbaum to Pay some of that money back and he’s not above using the Florida Bar to accomplish getting his refund.
I can’t imagine what Robert thinks of this whole crazy think his family has done?
😹😹not the “NORMAL” sibling 😹😹😹
11:19 Donna let me help you understand why Robert is mad at you. It’s because you’re a murderer, like Charlie and Wendi. What’s to talk about?
is this the day Sigfredo got arrested?
They don't get it, the brother doesn't like them because they are annoying, negative psychopaths. Maybe be normal and he would want to see you and talk to you.
Yeah, you need to have more than one kid in case their dimwitted father goes to prison for the rest of his life and that way they won't have to be embarrassed by themselves. 🙄
What they would do to have a simple conversation with one or another
Maybe now they will realize and accept why Robert doesn't want to be with them.
Unfortunately, my bet is that they are both sitting in jail and prison wondering what did they do that was so bad.
Donna calling her grandson "son" is very annoying. I shouldn't feel happy for others suffering but I'm so glad these two are getting what they deserve now, all that arrogance gets you nowhere.
Wow never heard this
one! How these two go on criticizing Robert!!
who wants to be in a family of monsters, not Rob
He's gone gray rock with you dysfunctional narcissists, that's what it is
perfect summary!!
Robert must have put two and two together and figured out that his parents and siblings were behind the murder of his brother-in-law. How can you blame him for keeping these sociopaths at arm’s length?
Exactly 👍
It’s sadly hilarious that Charlie espouses this “you need to have more than one kid” theory- it Donna and Harvey stopped after Robert this world would be a better place.
I would love to talk with Robert and dig a little deeper! I think I know just a handful of families where there isn’t any unresolved issues. Charlie is so protective of his mom and she lives and dies for him.
I love my son as well but if I talked with him more than once a week it would be a little weird. Look at Joel and Karm. Not sure this is much different.
You’re not equating Joel & Karm w Charlie & Donna, right? Bc that’d be absurd. And let’s not put any numbers on what’s “weird” or that what you & your son do is the only way. IMO the healthy amount of times a parent communicates/is with their adult child should only depend on what they both genuinely enjoy/consent to. Esp when ppl have been thru deep trauma, war, dv, or anything like that - it often builds a much stronger bond - and not this surface nonsense of Donna & Charlie, either.
PS no family / individual exists on the planet w/out some unresolved trauma - except possibly Buddha or similar enlightened beings 🪷
Maybe they don’t want to fraternize with murders Donna. They are the smart ones.
"I got a lot smarter..." is a comment from Donna that aged like milk!!!
Rob insulated himself from the rest of his family... very wise, wise, wise, wise choice.
She's such a Monster
Tacos - the Tacos - gotta make the Tacos for them. Chahlee - gotta go I'm so busy with the Tacos!
Thanks!
I appreciate you
Wow Donna, I wonder who taught Robert to be so heartless and unfeeling!!
Duhhh
One thing about Donna is she's so loving to his kids and grand kids. I I'll give it to her
Why would Robert owe this woman anything?
It's not easy being the normal one. Just ask Marilyn Munster. Stay strong Rob.
The irony is rich here. Considering Charlie just put the screws to Donna's surrogate son Rashbaum representing her! So obviously she needs 3 kids. . . Oh, but wait, Wendi was the instigator of Dan's murder and she is living the good life while mommy and Charlie are rotting away in jail/prison! Wendi is ghosting them both! Poor old Harvey left all alone 😔 😂
Rob wants nothing to do with his awful mother
Oh God, I get so sick of listening to Charlie giving advise in these phone calls and acting as if he’s the very voice of reason and intelligence. Listening to him and Donna speak poorly about their own family members in such a disparaging way shows you EXACTLY who and what they are. Thank God Robert cut himself off from these evil people.
Poor little son of Dan having to look up to Chuckles 🙄. Robert is so much smarter than his "mom". Now he doesn't have to make excuses to not talk to the co-conspirators.
Them acting like something is wrong with that brother, is wild. He knows what you all did and he wants so far away from yall. Charlie wants to make his moma happy in any way:
Honest Abe doesn't want to see his mother! 😂😂
Donna and Charlie itching with a capital 'b' about being avoided by brother Robert like the plague.
😹😹😹They are the only people on the planet, DA & CA, who wonder why he doesn’t want to be around them! A they have no self awareness.
Their conversation about Rob’s future when the kids will be out of the house is too funny!
NEWS FLASH: he won’t be serving life without!!!
He’s surely relieved about not having to feign politeness with these people. Or at least passive indifference. Now the world knows what they did. Maybe Donna understands now why he loathes her? Probably not.
The reason R doesn’t talk with you people is because he knows you’re murders. So there’s that.
“U r smarter…. I’m proud of myself” Who says that???🤔
Better times, lol
It's so interesting Gigi WHERE is Wendy in all of this surrogate mothering? It's like she just parachutes in when it suits her. Must be nice.
Yes she has a full time nanny now in her mom and she can now be continually spoiled and doted upon by her mom and dad, with Charlie the lesser loved child to do the part time daddy duty for the man you all got rid of. It warms my heart.
@@gaganorthofthe49th62 Hah! if it wasn't so terribly tragic, I would really laugh. These people are so despicable it really defies description.
Apparently Wendi likes to hang out by the docks and greet the fleet. That’s what’s been rumored anyway:)
@@OldPuebloHops She needs to be arrested. The ultimate manipulator.
@@OldPuebloHops Wendi is still quite the little strategizer as she can meet men from other countries who have no idea of her infamy and at the same time pick one from a non extradition country. I hear wedding bells already as she sails away.
You don't know what is wrong with him, Donna. Maybe you all had his brother-in-law murdered. Hmmm, maybe that is why he doesn't meet up with you.
7:04 😂 many kids does Charlie have 😅
1
dragging the kids with them on an adult cruise because they are never with the mother. This murder was done for Donna so she could have the kids. Wendi never had the boys. When Donna watched the kids she was on the phone half the time. Harvey & Donna were the taxi cabs to and from lessons making sure the boys ate and were washed and ready for bed.
GoGIGI!☄️🤓🍿
He totally ignores that that lady has her hands full making dinner and tries to get off the phone with him for at least 20 minutes and he just keeps talking over her. I’ve got to have your full attention. Mom forget about those kids. Wow!
They just weren't getting it, were they?
There is something wrong with these people. Charlie and Donna are exactly the same. Everything in every relationship is transactional with them and they are completely blithe to it and they are sure Robert is the psycho one.
Wendi is exactly the same. Just much smarter.
She has such a masculine voice
I wonder what Charlie’s. Spheres think about their uncle killing their farther
Donna, you’re the one who drove them away from you and your family! Sickening, always manipulating the lives of her kids!
If Donna is not the centre of her kids universe 24/7 she brands them as the devil, it has to be all about Donna all the time. Maybe they didn't want to see you duh.....always the victim, poor me, feel sorry for me, put me first.
How embarrassing for the parents of the Hare krishna boy😅. To be talked of publicly like this?
All of their former friends… can’t imagine what kind of person remains in their orbit: probably only those on the payroll.
These people are 🚮
What’s with calling your Subscribers “Alibiers”? It’s idiotic and detracts from your brand.
Because she goes by Pretty Lies and Alibis...?