I think the reason why they identify this Kira is not the real one is because of the whole ‘taking a whole TV channel hostage’ situation. Kira has only killed criminals or those who oppose him. Him doing this to a TV channel who hasn’t done anything to him goes against his “righteous” cause, and by the end of the episode, it did unite a lot of people against the Kira cause. Light’s plan was to turn public opinion in his favor. The TV channel move felt closer to a terrorist takeover, because those in the TV building were civilians who had not opposed Kira, so it breaks the pattern.
Yeah, agreed, but also I think the show missed the explanation rather than adding to your point focusing in the selected victims, which aren't that different of Kira's normal victims. Aside from the fact that they have an opposing view of Kira, which he doesn't really care as we know unless they get in his way. That's a bit out of character but a big leap to say it's a second Kira. In summary, yes, you are right and maybe the subs aren't doing the favor here.
And I think that's the reason Light says it "tarnished" the name of Kira. Yes, Light wants society to be manipulated by their fear of Kira and fall in line with his ideals of right and wrong, but in such a way that those who perceive themselves as innocent and "right" will secretly praise Kira for culling the criminals and evil-doers from the Earth. He wants Kira to be powerful in idea as well as action, seeing himself as a God, someone who is above humanity and therefore untouchable. The Second Kira brings him back down to Earth and exposes Kira for the terrorist he actually is, holding the world hostage as long as he is allowed to continue, and demonstrating the lengths Kira can and has to go to in order to maintain his power and control.
@@storieswithstyle But technically Lind Taylor was L and opposed him. That’s the thing. The subtlety is that it’s “criminals” or “those who oppose him.” I’m not attributing any morality to his code. Light’s a psychopath. But in the world he wants to build, everyone is safe unless they go against him or commit crimes. That is why the TV station hostage situation was very “off brand.” At least that’s my read. If the world is happy that someone is getting rid of all criminals and the police are actually the one trying to stop their “saviour”, then things work out in Lights favor. But if an act of Kira (like this one) is done in such a blunt, terrorist-like way, then that perception goes away. Like another commenter said, it goes from “Kira is a God” to “Kira is just another terrorist who thinks he’s making the world a better place.” Light is playing a game of perception.
I think the reason why Misa seemed smart at first was because she had many days or even weeks to plan and set up that confrontation. When she reacted to the task force's message, it was like the next day. It shows that she's not one to make elaborate plans but the eyes give her an edge...she's mostly just spontaneous.
Misa being as clever as light and doing stuff like she did in this episode doesn't necessarily contradict - contrary, it only means her priorities are different. Details are revealed later, but with the material here is seems: L's priorities: 1. Catching Kira 2. Surviving 1. Light: 1. His god complex 2. Not getting caught 3. L dying 4. His cat and mouse game with L. Misa's Kira / what misa thinks Kiras priorities are: 1. Serving justice 2. Killing L Misa's priority: 1. Meeting Kira 2. Helping Kira 3. Confirming the kira she meets to be kira 4. Not getting caught herself. Note that for misa, the not getting caught part is very low in the priorities whereas for light, it is quite high. She IS operating as clever as light - but towards a different goal. Keeping information secret is less important to her than to light.
I think this is a great breakdown in the differences between these three and how/why they operate. Misa can seem dumb, but mainly when looking at it from a she "should" do X and her doing Y contradicts that. She "should" be trying not to get caught, but she doesn't really care about that, so she is careless in her actions. She wants to meet Kira, and she comes up with some very clever ways to do that! It's all about seeing things from different perspectives.
@@storieswithstyle Misa adds a rogue element into the mix that shakes up Light and L's chess match. After L, Misa's my next favorite character, she's a lot of fun and definitely more complex than she seems on the surface.
In the last episode,Misa: -revealed that more than one person can have Kira's power (death note) -revealed that kira can kill without names (shinigami eyes) -made the police go back to standing up against kira -confirmed to L that kira is not some godlike being (he wasnt 100% sure before) -killed innocent people just to show that she was kira,which made "kira" no longer look like a name of justice that punishes evil and protects the good,aka it took down its reputation All of this to get light's attention Id say she was just as dumb as she was in the current episode
i had typed up a whole comment to try to explain why L and Light consider the second Kira "not very bright", but i found myself basically defining a word by using the word. more to the point; i'm really just not sure how you got the impression that the second Kira seemed just like the real Kira, or seemed to be acting with anywhere near the same level of intellect, caution, or deviousness. i don't think they "built her up only to make her dumb now." i have always thought that most viewers immediately got the impression in the last episode that it was a copycat because the second Kira spoke in a much different way than Light speaks and behaved in a way much less cautious, much more boastful and in the open, and also, Light was not shown for so long.
Part of the reason why they say the second Kira is not as smart as Kira one, is because there are things she did that in that episode that will be used to prove it is her. The show is planting the seed for that reveal.
I think the reason L freaked out at the mention of Shinigami is different to his earlier statement of 'maybe it could just be an act of God' because that was mostly him saying "i acknowledge the possibility but there's obviously no way that's true" whereas Misa explicitly saying she wants to show Kira her shinigami puts L in a position where he has to genuinely consider that he might be incapable of solving the case due to it actually being related to Gods
His reaction here is so similar to Light's when he sees Ryuk for the first time, from yelling out to falling out of his chair. I think it's a really great way of showing how similar they are when confronted with evidence of something beyond themselves and their influence.
I think it's less that he feels he'll be incapable of solving it with Gods involved and more that as a hyper-logical person, learning that supernatural things exist flips his world upside-down.
Light's sense of entitlement that he demonstrated during the happenstance meeting with Naomi explains why he is okay with L dying in an indirect manner. In other words, Light would still take some kind of credit even if he didn't kill L directly because he feels that his existence as the god of the new world entitles him to punish L, so even an unrelated incident would just be fate on his side. In the same way, he was pleased to encounter Naomi by luck and even thought "there must be a god on my side."
Wildcard in play: Misa is both beneficial and harmful to both sides as she is out of lights control and not as careful as light in her attempts to contact him. Getting caught by the police is low on her priority list.
You're right! There is a "god of stories" that exists and makes all these lucky coincidences happen because it's fun. He's called Tsugumi Ohba (the author).
I don't feel like anything Misa did in episode 11 was particularly intelligent. The summation of her plan: send a letter with pre-recorded tapes to the TV station; kill some people for proof; demand the police obey Kira; demand L be sacrificed. The only parts of this that show intelligence are that she A) did not use people Kira might kill for her proof and B) filtered her voice. The stunt was brute force, not a mastermind tactic. She was formidable in this situation because of the Death Note and shinigami eyes, not because she ran a clever gambit.
I always read Misa as impulsive, not stupid. If she actually has to take the time to stand back and think, she can be quite smart. The problem is, if she thinks she has a lead, she will rush forward at full speed.
She's basically Harley Quinn. Loyal and secretly smart, but it's overshadowed by her obsessions and makes her impulsive/stupid. She's like an intelligence pendulum. But sadly, the dumb side swings harder. She's a very devisive character. 35:04 she's not underage at all she just looks & acts young
@@gabrielesolletico6542 She is two years older than Light (manga bdays, she's born in '84, he's born '86; in the anime it's '87 and '89, respectively).
I think you overestimated her in the last episode. She didn't really do anything too intelligent, but she made some big mistakes: - She made it clear that Kira is a person and not some other sort of entity. - She created a physical trial by sending actual tapes. - She attempted to be a spokesperson for the "real Kira". - She revealed a higher level of power by killing those who approached the station. I think it's consistent with what we see her (and what we'll see). Also, in this episode she made the reply because, in her mind, the only one who would know she wasn't Kira would be the real Kira.
Seriously, I think Misa's error is enormous. You have to think about it from a public perspective too. Besides the Lind L. Taylor incident, which was only broadcasted originally one region of Japan, there really isn't any reason to assume Kira isn't just a mysterious god, and is thus far easier to worship. When Kira is making dumb simplistic moral arguments like Misa, he's a lot less mysterious and incredible. Like a writer, Light knows how to rhetorically make Kira seem divine and just, even if his moral base is weak.
@@storieswithstyle you are seriously overestimating her. She has always been a liability. Even at the first broadcast she went way out of character for kira and revealed she can kill with just face.
@@LD-dt1sk yeah, and in the following episode she is even dumber when she literally comes to his home. Finding Light using shinigami eyes is not clever, she was literally told how they work when you look at other death note users, she even needed step by step repeated instructions from Rem on how that works just before. She has yet to do anything that is not completely dumb and almost gets Light captured.
Yeah, it's a bit convenient that in the whole world, where having a Death Note seems to be very rare, 2 Japanese who live in the same place have one. And yes, for the beginning, there aren't many clues that prove the existence of the second Kira but L (and Light, of course :D) have a good understanding of the first Kira's personality. Enough so that the murder of 2 innocents doesn't seem to be in the habits, not like “justice”, of the first Kira. Because Kira only kills criminals and his opponents, not "direct" innocents (but I admit it's a bit convenient too, and the “opponents” can be a very wide range of people). But that doesn't stop us from enjoying the story, I guess :)
There is a big difference between goth and satanism, though with some overlap. Satanism (as officially described) is effectively anti-religion, there's no worship and it mainly runs on symbolism how a person can do everything by themselves. Goth is an anti-conformist culture, it works as a protest against "imposed values", which very commonly ends up as anti-happiness anti-traditional style despite it not being the point. Then there's just goth fashion, which has grown into a separate thing, especially in Japan where many brands can get very fashionable while staying all black. It's ambiguous if Misa is Catholic, but it's very likely due to her experiences she just enjoys being closer to the spiritual side even if she doesn't practice anything.
She does wear a rosary, but this might just be more religious iconography. It's very common to use Christian iconography in media. Babymetal uses things like the Virginia Mary statue etc.. but it's not a Christian message. And the group has nothing to do with Christianity. Japan is a very non religious country. 80% refer to themselves as non religious. Less than 1% are Christian. But everyone knows stuff like the apple etc.. and it just provides interesting symbolism.
@@storieswithstyle "The Church stuff"? Why would be "The Church stuff" a symbol, or something related, with Satanism? If you're a Catholic, you have Holy Images in your house (Like picture of Jesus, of the Virgin Mary, of the Sacred Heart etc.). But I must add that, in Japan, sometimes some of this Holy symbol are generally related with Gothic fashion in general, since 99,99% of the Japanese aren't Christians (and the very few who are are generally Protestants), and they simply related Cross, Holy Hearts of Mary etc. with a "gothic" scenario, because they see these religious symbol a lot in western horror films about vampires etc. On a note side: her own name, "Misa", it's the way the English word "Mass" is pronounced by Japanese people. So yes, her relation with Holy iconographies is really tight.
@@gabrielesolletico6542 lol why is that even a question, when thinking of satanism most people immediately think that it's the ''opposite of christianity'' thats why the church stuff in this setting (with killing and gothic fashion) gives off satanistic vibes (of course i know that's not what satanism is because i studied it a lot a few years ago)
I think that Light sees himself as the chosen one and every time that luck is on his side he sees it as a validation of his godhood. He commented on it multiple time by the past when something went his way out of pure luck. So I think that if another Kira appears to kill his enemy out on nowhere he would see it as a sign of the world siding with him again and not as a steal. And I think that since he sees himself as a god, he doesn't perceive his actions as "killing innocents" but once the second Kira does it, he doesn't see it the same way. And I think that ultimately what the public says about him matters a lot to him and we know that he kills some people by other means than heart attacks just like Naomi Misora and ultimately, people only identify him with heart attacks and wouldn't link those other deaths to him. So the fact that the second Kira use his signature move to kill people he hasn't sentenced himself irritates him even if he would have done the same.
There's nothing inconsistent with Light killing the FBI agents in my opinion. We humans in the real world have done just as much if not more. Whatever opposes your "righteous" beliefs are deemed evil by definition and if they are extreme enough to perform acts of violence against you then why fight with kids gloves on?
Light’s concern about the 2nd Kira is two fold: 1. Reputation 2. Someone outside of his control who may get caught (and therefore reveal the existence of the deathnote which increaes the odds of himself get caught). I don’t know if this is ever explicitly stated, but its definitely implied. Also, while Light did kill a purse snatcher which is a very low-level crime, its still a crime. But Misa killed actual innocent TV show hosts who committed no crime nor were they pursuing Kira. Even Lind L Taylor was allegedly pursuing Light. So L does have good reason to suspect a 2nd Kira based on that.
@wakahisasensei 0 seconds ago Regarding why they think the 2nd Kira is less intelligent, it’s not entirely accurate but also not inaccurate. Rewatch the last episode and pay attention to how the 2nd Kira talks. While capable of intelligent plans, her behavior is overall more simplistic.
In a way, Gods of Death may as well be gods of destiny. I mean think about people who die in freak car accidents and how leaving home just 2 minutes later or ealier would have completely changed their fates. So its not a stretch to think that events can line up in such a way that maximizes the number of deaths happening is by keeping Kira alive and out of prison
Perhaps odd to say but I love the old internet memes you reference all the time, reminds me of my older brother who is much older than I am who would teach me about them because I was still too young to use the internet myself. Very nostalgic!
Also in regard to luck, I assume at least in the girl’s case, her lifespan is so long even after having the eyes that it’s impossible for there to be a situation where she dies before then and events may be subtly manipulated in her favour because of this.
Misa was never built up to be more intelligent than average. She was only portrayed as an average-level intellect, but now she is shown to also be driven by her emotions, which can make her a bit impulsive if she gets carried away.
The luck god you described is the author and the manga release structure: Apparently, mangas like death note are not written in one go but on a week by week basis, which means there may have been a rough outline, but they wrote and released it chapter by chapter with no way to edit it after the chapter is released. This means the writers here often end a chapter on a cliffhanger before deciding how to resolve that cliffhanger in the next episode - which leads to crazy luck.
That's a thing with manga in general, they usually are made by teams of 2-5 who must send 20 pages of material to the publisher weekly, so very commonly the author makes up new ideas on the fly, then creates moments of suspense to buy the reader's interest and some time to figure out what they even want to do with it.
@@Amonimus Honestly, this structure is a dual-edged blade: a lot of fun ideas come out of it occasionally, but also a lot of bad writing. I think a lot of manga premises could be improved if they had been written and published in one go, but on the other hand a lot of good ideas might get lost in such a structure.
@@storieswithstyle Yeah... Basically, an anime usually summarises a manga, keeping out a lot of small details. With this show it really, and I mean REALLY, shows once you reach what is the later half of the manga and the last quarter of the anime.
FYI, if a story, whatever the medium, was free of any "convenience", that story would be either the utmost boring story ever, or the longest one ever. Convenience is mandatory in a fiction, the talent of the writer resides in his/her capacity to find a way to make them believable. As I said in a previous video: the story is based on our world but includes shinigamis, or rather this precise conception of shinigami. All the conveniences could easily be answered by either: it’s a story and it needs to go on; or, god figures being implemented, they are devine interventions. I think the problem for you finding them believable resides in the time you take pausing the video (not that I reproach any of it, of course you need to do so to comment, but I’m sure you’ll enjoy it much better when/if you watch it again after that without pausing) And of course, as usual, the answers will come later… 😉
No, I solightly disagree. there are stories (aoT or dark) whewre there are almost no conveniences like in death note. I do not mind that much, as I know it was a serialized manga and released week to week without an overarchingdetailed plan. So it makes sense =) In that form of stoytelling, there definitely is room for conveniences.
yeah, I'm here with my guy in the vid here (srry I don't know your name), one thing is to making things convenient, which is straight the hand of the writer acting, and the other is planned events to make the story interesting, which come from real planning in story making. There are both types of authors, but it feels more natural or less "convenient" when it's planned. Btw, the situation at the end of the video, is convenient too, but not really important. It's just to showcase the disparity of views in close quarters without hurting the story or making weird transitions. Just like L and Light "argue" at the end of 2nd ep on justice.
I like that you mention stories without conveniences being too long or hard to write, because I feel that's exactly what stopping G.R.R Martin from finishing ASOIAF. He wrote a lot of storylines that each need to converge in a single one, but he doesn't like writing conveniences, he has to develop every step in a "realistic" way, and that would take much more space that what he himself framed for the story (7 books).
@@omarisrael4974 that's a good point about planned "conveniences" being more natural, over conveniences being necessary to write the story out of the corner its in. Like, an easy way to have fixed the issue with Naomi would be a scene or even a line to show that her being at the police HQ was not coincidence, that she's been going every day to try to speak with the task force, and been turned away each day. Then when Light meets her, it's not convenient, because that's where she's been every day; Light going to the HQ that day would then make their meeting inevitable. It might also fix her willingness to talk with him once he tells her he's on the task force, because her built up frustration over being turned away everyday, coupled with her grief, could make her more likely to slip up and make a mistake.
@@Persewna4, you got it. Smoothing out a series of events does the world for the story being "more realistic". Even in a fast-paced series like Death Note. Couldn't give a better example than yours.
7:38 he said a completely different thing. What he was saying is, that the probability is lower for 2 people to be incorrect exactly the same way Even in science, if someone came up with a theory, it still needs to be proved. But if 2 people came up with the same theory, it demands even more attention
The manga has more inner monologues, especially during the 2nd half of the show, the anime has to rush some parts, after all it's a show mostly consisting of still images, internal monologue, and dialogues, they are already doing their best to make it exciting such as the potato chip scene or killing montages, with exciting music and cuts, for what is actually just a guy sitting at the desk and writing in his notebook.
4:30 Again, Light is a psychopath, but he still has his own moral "code" which he finds pride in and follows closely. He would never kill anyone innocent unless he deems it necessary for the greater good. He also wants the public to see Kira as a Just and Divine ruler. So making direct contact with the public, takes away from that divinity. The 'myth of kira' if you will. And killing innocents, also lowers public opinion on Kira. L has noticed this strong moral code/sense of justice Kira has, and has correctly assumed that he wouldnt easy compromise on his morals. He mentioned this "sense of justice" on episode 1 already. And Light's childish desire to win, which L also noticed, is also consistent with the sense of pride he has in his personal morals, and the fact that he would refuse to admit lose by compromising on them. That's why L is so sure about this being a second Kira. It's an entirely different personality. This one is more brazen, less worried about public outcry, kills easier with only a face, and more morally ambiguous. As for why Light kills so many cops: 1. They are evil in his mind since they are directly trying to prevent Kira from making a peaceful world, so they deserve death 2. The trolley problem: either light kills the 'innocent' cops, or he gets caught, and more innocents die at the hands of murders. 3. Self-Defence: Light is gonna keep "helping the world" (as he sees it) irregardless of what others decide to do, but if people insist on trying to catch and kill him, he is fully justified to defend himself, in his mind. As for the "Purse-snatcher" he killed. I am 90% sure that that guy's crime went wrong and he ended up assaulting his victims. That's a violent crime, so Light judges it with violence. Also he was in a situation where he couldn't otherwise kill people with more serious crimes.
As for L's "argument of consensus" he wasnt saying that since they both came to the same conclusion it's more true. He was saying its "MORE CONVINCING". In other words, if the others didnt take his word for it, maybe they would take Light's. As for 2nd kiras intelligence last episode: she left behind a plethora of physical evidence that light never did due to her brazen attack, and gave some more info about the killing method: other people can use it, some can do so without a name. Also people can have their bright moments without being consistently clever. As for the coincidences. In real life, coincidences happen all the time! It would be more weird if NON happened in this show.
Light dislikes the second kira because misa kills people that light thinks aren't worth it. She killed a man that has only said that kira is evil, which goes against light's perception of justice. Light was disgusted with himself, after having killed Takuo Shibuimaru and almost throws up. He realizes at that point that his own Standards need to be above satisfying his own boredom.
They think the second Kira isn't very bright because he engaged in a public, directly-speaking-to-the-world display, killed innocent cops in front of the world (as opposed to the FBI agents dying "off screen"--it matters to how people view it,) and he left a TON of physical evidence in the process... even the idea that they might have theoretically been able to undo the voice warping should have been a hypothetical concern.
I didn't have trouble following Light and L's ethos and logic, which.. might be telling, maybe I'm borderline a sociopath haha. But none the less, the 2nd Kira was really obvious I thought because: Kira has never needed hostages, or spoke to the public at all. For us viewers its been 5 hours of anime time, but in world its been over half a year. Kira has never had to demand anything as petty as bring forth more criminals. Its extremely obvious. If She wants to get Kira's attention, she's going to have to make a big scene, and make it known she's the one killing them. If she starts going after criminals that are going to have heart attacks anyway, Light would likely never know it wasn't him for a while. So.. impatience is basically a huge MO here. Kira doesn't need anyone to keep broadcasting criminals, he's been taking his time, so rushing the fact and making it public is just weird. It also is such a bad to go about it. This whole scene was garbage for Kira's reptutation. Before all this, "Bad people" were dying, that was all the public knew and it wasn't a concern now. Out of sight out of mind. Now? This was enough of a shove to get the police involved again, to rally, and that is the worst thing because now. people will bother keeping an eye out for Kira, and will hestitate less to call in tips. Light's kept the shadows this entire time, there was no reason for Kira to ever step out of them. Keep in mind kiling the FBi, the Naomi, etc was cloak and dagger, and no one ever knew.
Exactly this. The main point is that 2nd Kira's actions were inconsistent are way to sudden compared to previous Kira. Not talking about the fact that she could kill people without a name and killed completely innocent, unrelated people just to "show off"/prove their identity, which was never needed - there was literally 0 point to that.
Right; Kira demanding that more criminals be broadcast would make sense only if the world's governments had taken a public stance to no longer provide Kira with potential victims, and he was forced to acknowledge his existence and declare the world his hostage if they continued to defy him. But no one was doing that yet, so Light had no reason to confirm to the world that Kira was more than rumor. As long as Kira was not much more than whispers and speculation, the more powerful he would be, because he would place doubt in the public's (and even L's) mind on whether these events were mortal or divine. Announcing himself would end that, and make it clear to all law enforcement that Kira is real, human, catchable, stoppable.
@@Persewna4 That's a very brilliant point as well. Kira has never come out and conversed with anyone. The closest they came was inmates writing messages to L in their own blood before they died. ^ This alone would send any normal person packing. You mean to tell me, that someone has the ability to kill anyone with a face or name from far away, and control final moments before they die? The only thing that even comes close to rationalizing this is hypnotism and that can't be done remotely. There is no logical explanation for Kira's abilities other than supernatural. What she did was irresponsible, dumb and really one of the very few ways that L could even pin anything on Light. It was months ago, that Light gave a teaser about Shinigami loving apples which could very well be tossed away as nonsense and nothing more. Light hasn't given any clues since then overtly and likely never would.
5:35 They suspect there is a second Kira due to the fact that Kira killed INNOCENT news-channel runners, which the real Kira would not have found necessary to do.
@@storieswithstyleLind L Taylor Stated to the News that he's L and He Is opposed on what's light been doing and saying that he's going to punish light for his doings is evil that's why Light Killed him
Some have died from their alien encounter.. on the spot from fear/ shock / heart attack, over time from the stress, or from physiological effects ( radiation ) The reality can hit people in different ways
MIsa is an airhed but she has random burst of competence, like she dumb as a brick, but later down the line she gonna keep doing thigns that are realy smart
although he considered it to some extent, I don't think L seriously beleived in the supernatural as a potential explanation of events until this episode.
As a Detective, the only thing L knows is that Kira uses an unknown method that has strict rules. Even if he considered psychic abilities, to him it's still something tangible. The implications that the supernatural is involved may have put him into overdrive because in such case rational logic and arrest could be impossible and he'd have to come up with something else.
Something that always confused me about Death Note reactors is that for some reason a lot of them think that Misa was genius in the last episode. The plan she came up with was of completely average intelligence. The only reason it seems smart is because we were confused on what was going on. And her plan was portrayed the same way all of Lights are. Every time Light executes a plan we get left in the dark the same way we were with Misa's plan. Another thing is that we originally assumed it was Light but then found out it was Misa's, I think this causes a lot of people to feel like Misa is just as smart as light. At the end of the day the plan Misa came up was good but it wasn't anything an average human couldn't come up with.
It wwas pretty good and I do think she is above light level of planning/intelligence, but she is severely hampered by her mental problems, that severly impair her most of the time. =)
Here's a partial answer to your question about how many. We don't know for sure how many death notes are in play in total during the series but there are more rules not stated in the anime. One of those rules is: Only six death notes can function in the human world at the same time. If there are more than six death notes in the human world at the present moment, only the first six to enter the human world can function. So we don't know for sure exactly how many death notes there are in the human world during the show, but we do know for sure that no matter how many there are, it is impossible for more than six of them to be in play.
Little funfact to L's reaction to the "eyes" misa mentioned: there is a light novel about the BB muders that was mentioned (The one case where naomi was working under L in LA). In that light novel the murder (known as beyond birthday=BB) was someone who was born with the eyes of a shinigami without him having any connections to the death note at all. L couldnt piece ut together at that time but later when he found out about the shinigamis and eyes (that moment) he was able to piece something together. Tho its just a head canon but still interesting to think about.
I guess you can really say that gods meddled with this whole story. Which is what literally happened. Ryuk was bored and tricked their shinigami king, while Rem did something she felt the need to do because of the shinigami that killed himself by saving Misa. I like to believe that death note fall on earth every 500 or more years, but here there's two falling in the same country around the same time. A once in an earth's time thing.
I think the purse snatcher had another history and was only recently back in the spotlight for the minor thing of snatching a purse. The 2nd kira being called out like that is due to that incident being a sudden drastic measure that kira never went to for all the time he was active. It's boisterous, it's showing off, it's very direct in intend, etc. which are all indicators of a lesser intellect and drastically different from kira (despite being prone to provocations).
The difference between Shinigamis in the world of Death Note and Grim Reapers is that they don't come to collect your soul when your time comes, Shinigamis actually steal your lifespan by killing you way before your expiration date. That's why Misa didn't die by a heart attack, her name wasn't written on a death note, that was her death time and she was supposed to be killed by that man.. She isn't supposed to be alive now, and I think that's why the punishment for extending people's lives is for whoever does it to perish and, ironically enough, pass their remaining lifetime to the person they saved.
Also take into account that Misa's life was supposed to end, then was extended, then she took the shinigami eye deal. So whatever extra life Gelus gave her has been halved.
I personally think that the reason Misa appeared as smart is because she had time to plan. Anybody with enough time would be able to come up with a good strategy, however as soon as she was going to respond to Kira, that's where her plan ended, hence the reason why she was being dumb. Being smart is easier with prep time rather than improvisation.
It was mentioned that even shinigami don't entirely know how the books work. So Gelus wouldn't have known the consequences of his actions since not all details are spelled out for them. Does raise more questions on who the shinigami got their books from and who designed them.
It's been 8 and a half years... Last I lost was 8 and a half years ago when someone announced over the speakers at an anime convention that they lost the game. I thought I was finally free...
The reason that he suspects a second Kira is because she (misa) kills with only a face during the tv station incident; he knows that the first Kira (light) has only killed with a name and a face. It’s literally that simple. Hope that helps anybody who is confused.
I like your god of luck theory, and I'm glad that you're noticing the pattern of luck following Light already.. The writer tried to get away with it by making his main character say it out loud, but let's see how that plays out
since everyone is afraid to say, i will say it: Misa is just a dumb fanservice. there can only be a few "coincidences" in a story before it starts feeling forced. The first one was the death note randomly being found by one of the smartest people in the world (that happened to be a psychopath too). This is ok, the story has to kickoff somehow. L taking the stage and starting this cat/mouse chase is not a coincidence. After the Kira case came to the attention of world leaders, it is just natural that only the smartest people around would remain playing the game. Naomi being written as such a smart person, but then, being wasted by a sequence of coincidences was bad enough, but at least we can accept that the author probably noticed he couldnt handle the way the story was going, so he got rid of her in the fastest/dirtiest way as possible. and now we got this. How luck that among all gothic lolita models in the world, the shinigami fell in love (another rare event) with exactly that one in Japan. and that happened around the time where kira situation was already in motion. and she is absolutely obssessed with the villain (a la harley quinn) nah, that is just too much... I guess we can agree that the author just wanted to grab more views by throwing some old anime trope and stirring up the dreams of fanartists. the anime is still enjoyable, though. Once Misa is stablished as a tool and we just accept she is there and stop questioning how, we can go back and focus on the L/L chase.
Was it ever stated that she is japanese? It's easy for a famous model to travel to different locations for photo shootings and it is known that Kira at least was at first in Japan, Chinjoku.
the reason Light say is a 2nd kira is how he killed de people arriving the tv station. Not because he only killed people who oppose him, but because until now it was stated that he needed the face and name of the people being killed, and this time he only saw the faces.
I believe Light and L consider Misa to be "not very bright," because she revealed the existence of a second Kira and achieved nothing from it other than notifying the real Kira about her existence. I think a "brighter" person would simply start killing criminals the same way Kira does - he'd no doubt notice that some criminals have started dying without his involvement. That way, it wouldn't seem suspicious to the police but it would still catch Kira's attention. From there on, they could cooperate through killings to find a way to meet each other. Even if they didn't meet, killing criminals for Kira would allow the real Kira to avoid suspicion, as he'd be able to feign innocence whilst criminals continued to die from heart attacks. That's my two cents, anyway.
The Second Kira is deduced and called dumb by Light and L because not only did she go against literal innocent people as in non criminals and people who didn’t go after Kira, but also because she made the public opinion go against Kira by giving a dictator’s speech
7:27 Ok but in this case, for L, its important it's Light specifically who is posing/agreeing with this possibility. L clearly thinks Light is kira, and if kira thinks this is a second kira, THAT is significant.
"Argumentum ad populum" is what we call it in the US. Latin, literally: "argumentation via the populace/masses--claiming a truth or affirming something is good or correct because many people think so."
That doesn't really apply because in this circumstance they're experts. What he's trying to say the fact that they agree isn't the reason we accept the claim. It's the evidence supported in the paper, scientific theory etc..
@@russellward4624 - I'm not saying it applies to anything. It was a term he tried to state, but didn't know the US phrase for. I'm pointing out the equivalent term for whatever it was he said in German.
Well, the big "coincidence" in that last scene at the cafe does not affect the plot in any way. They could be having those thoughts in different places and the story would be the same. So I consider it more an arthistic choice to represent the characters in this moment than a plot hole. Also, I think is a way of telling us that their fates are connected somehow.
As far as Death Note reactions are concerned, I think there are 3 areas where people's views differ both between individuals and across episodes: 1. Light and how much he's justified in his actions 2. Misa 3. The pacing of the show Personally, I can't wait to see how you view Misa... Also, stop going on about that purse-snatcher xD! "Einmal ist keinmal!" 07:37 - There's a saying over here: "If two independent people are telling you that you're drunk, shut up and sleep it off." 14:17 - Whether something is dumb or not depends on the desired goal... What does Misa want? 16:25 - I would have more sympathy towards your stance had I not just finished watching a bright young woman playing an adventure game vividly recall a crucial clue that was mentioned in passing 12 hours earlier... as she continued to stumble about aimlessly, unable to solve a puzzle, because she forgot the game's fundamental mechanic that she kept using over and over over those last 12 hours. Women are strange creatures ;). Alternatively, if you want to take the fun out of it... men can also act with diminished IQ when driven by certain impulses... 22:28 - Please stop calling Rem a "he"... 27:23 - Ummm... Imagine you're a young woman accosted in a dark alley by a crazy stalker. You REALLY think you're going to talk yourself out of this? Just like that? You're going to come up with the exact sequence of words that'll make this work? I remember a seminar where, in the context of a random thug, the professor argued he'd use his expert knowledge of philosophy to present a moral argument and thus defuse the situation. His delivery was perfectly deadpan, but I think every last one of us understood that he was joking.
Well, I "get" misa next ep :D Well, for the stalker, if they are infatuated you can actiually manipulate them. risky, but better than 100% death. But running away is always th ebest advice. Fun fact, you run away under big stress and freeze under small stress, so flight insitncts in real life alwways kick in in these situations =)
@@storieswithstyle that's interesting, and I think speaks to Misa's backstory then as to why she froze here instead of running... maybe she didn't believe she was going to die, or maybe the possibility of death wasn't as stressful to her as it might be to others...
@@Persewna4 "Fight, flight, or freeze", one could argue... However, you are onto something! "Psychopathy" as part of the dark triad is basically the ability to act calmly and rationally in otherwise horrifying circumstances. Then again, it will probably surprise absolutely nobody that Misa isn't exactly an emotionless, calculating psychopath ;)...
Misa is a gothic/punk style lolita, a Harajuku subculture of dressing. She can be a bit aloof but I think the cute persona veils her darkness, like Tai Lee, she hides your intelligence by masking under it an unassuming personality. To some it would appear stupid or non threatening because she’ll never be taken seriously. Also she isn’t immune to her naïveté, like Light as well, as a young woman obsessed with dark love.
Aaaah, I need to defend my girl Misa! She is clearly not dumb, you will see that in the future. She is just not as intelligent as the others and also she is naive and spontaneous, so she makes very human like mistakes. And I really understand her, when I was 14 or so I watched Death Note the first time and I was also a big Kira fan and simped for him, haha. I would have done the exact same thing like her. XD
29:50 If a shenigami causes a human's life to extend with some degree of love in mind, it'll cause the shenigami to die. That shenigami changed the predetermined time of death because he was infatuated with her.
A Shinigami falling in love with a human would be like a human falling in love with a goldfish. Granted, Misa's more like one of those expensive tropical fish, but still...
Great reaction, as usual. I understand your stance on how the Second Kira has acted as you think Kira should have done in front of the public, but Light seems to want to maintain the mysticism of the Kira figure and a message to the world where he kills innocent people for the only "crime" of publicly disagreeing with him has not been the best presentation to convince people that Kira is on the side of the defenseless citizens who want true Justice to reign in the world. From his point of view, he could be considered a magnanimous god, who is giving freedom to people to believe and support him or not, because the only ones he punishes are criminal wrongdoers (and people who get too close to the truth, but the public doesn't know that except for the prisoner who played L in front of the cameras; if I remember correctly, only the police, L and the FBI itself know about the FBI agents), not to people who do not believe or support him Hence, the reason why Light considers that the Second Kira has sullied Kira's name. And the best way to maintain that mysticism, proper to a divine figure, is not to send any kind of messages, and even less to a television network known for its sensationalist yellow journalism. I can't wait to watch your next DN reactions. And I also highly recommend you react to an anime psychological thriller titled Monster. I think you'll love it. PS: I don't know where you're watching Death Note, but please change those subtitles. There are better subtitles for this anime on Netflix. And I recommend them for other anime as well.
I think down the line, Light would have eventually started killing Kira's critics, although it would probably be years down the road, once most serious crimes have been greatly stifled and Kira's grip on the world's throat started to tighten, then he would want to quietly eliminate anyone who opposes him or criticizes him. But even then he wouldn't announce that, it would be done slowly, likely with accidents instead of heart attacks, to make people superstitious and avoid speaking against him for fear of being "cursed" by Kira.
I wonder, did the show ever say that the police made it publicly available that Kira went after a purse snatcher / pretty criminal? If they didn’t, it would make sense that Kira / Light would want to keep up the appearance that Kira only goes after the truly “guilty”.
I know is too soon to say this, but may i suggest after you finish Death Note to watch *Death Parade?* It's an anime that talks a lot about the concepts of death, and some may argue it has a "connection" to Death Note as well. Also, i beg you to watch *Monster,* by Naoki Urasawa, which is loved by many and regarded as the greatest mystery/suspense anime has ever produced.
It's so subtle but the way fake kira talk is very different from the 'letter' that kira wrote to L In the letter kira used casual Japanese but the fake kira in the Sakura TV used polite Japanese
The reason why he said the second Kira isn't very bright is pretty simple. They revealed themselves publicly and put themselves at ENORMOUS risk, when their ability to kill seemingly without a name and/or face would make them invaluable to the real Kira, and there are more clever and subtle ways to get Kira's attention without nailing down the city you're operating in and putting yourself at risk. This entire stunt was risky and stupid to L and Light, it's antithetical to Kira's motives, and is the kind of move that previously L had to sacrifice a human life for (Lind L Taylor) to provoke this level of exposure.
It's not that what Misa was doing in the moment wasn't intelligently done, it's the idea itself that was stupid and way too overt. Light's Kira was quietly executing criminals without saying a word or making statements himself, having faith that people would fall in line with his ideology naturally over time due to his actions acting as the example and message, he had no plans to speak on his own behalf. Taking an entire news station hostage and publicly threatening the police, instilling fear in the public, is way out of character with what "Kira" was doing up to that point, Kira sees no need to _demand_ respect in any form, he expects and knows it will come on its own by positioning himself as a god figure. Misa made a blunder by cooking up such a high profile situation in the first place, she's intelligent enough to execute plans flawlessly, but creating them is where her personal priorities drag her down, personal rational judgement is a different type of intelligence than raw plan making, any madman can make a machiavellian plot, doesn't mean what they're making it for is something smart.
i think the reason she isn’t as bright is because it’s a pretty reckless thing to do to take a building like that hostage and announce your intentions to the world essentially. up until this point most of his killings were criminals. at least public knowledge was that he only went after those outside of the fake L. only those investigating him knew he was cooking anyone that got in his way too. she kinda ruined his “pr” by publicly threatening innocents and publicly killing officers. but i agree she is quite bright when she wants to be. just sometimes she is too reckless. edit: and she’s kind of a parasocial viewer type. she can be bright but her obsession with kira almost negates it.😂 she might be intelligent but how she uses it is definitely questionable
12:55 The reason that is incorrect is the fact that Kira would not have "had" to kill the innocent to prove he was Kira, he could have simply killed a Criminal at a specific time, where as the (other) Kira could not, as if they did, there was a chance that Light would have already killed said criminal before that time.
Misa was never trying to be like kira or trying to proof that she was kira to beging with, she only wanted to know Who he was because she admire him and did all the tv killing because of that, and that is also the reason why she did the eyes contract to be his partner and help him to "clean" the World, is interesting thoug how you went diferente way with her character
I'm not sure if Misa is ever mentioned to be japanese. She is a famous model that surely travels a lot for shootings and it surely is public knowledge that Kira resided in Japan, Chinjuku, as Kiras supporters shared the challenge L made to Kira and some crazed fans wanting to find Kira. So she could travel there to search for Kira. Of course nobody knows if Kira is still in Japan, but she took she shot anyway because which other information does she have? So it's not necessarily a convenience that both Death Node owners are in Japan!
15:31 The last time I watched this show, I thought the same thing. So, right now, I think there are four death notes. Misa has one, Light has one, Ryuk has one and Rem has one.
I think the main difference is real Kira wouldn't have done something like broadcast big announcements on TV. It's like the difference between someone who makes silent donations to a cause and someone who publicizes it - sure they might both have the same thoughts about the situation and are doing the same thing but they are clearly quite different.
So, a justice* system uses typifications to better punish and justify the crimes since the level of evil of every person it's different and better yet, the intentions are different too, so let's take 3 guys, a rapist, a wife beater and a serial killer. Those 3 have the same things in common: They all hate women, they're all violent, they are all self serving and etc. Their goals are kinda the same: Hurting women to feel better, but one beats his wife to put the rage down, the other one rapes women to get pleasure and the third one kidnap, beats, rapes and then kill women. Their intentions and methods are all different. Kira is lawful evil, period. His definitions of law and order are different than the other people, but it's still there and if he starts kidnapping tv channels, killing policemen that are trying to stop that tape and etc, then he is just a common criminal. Killing a cop that is closer to get to him is a necessary evil for a greater good, but all the others are another typification of character, another method and a whole completely thought train than he has, so it got to be someone else. Otherwise Kira would just make the whole police department hostage and kill one every hour until he gets L, but that's the opposite of what he's trying to do. He needs the police to keep the lesser criminals in check and etc.
I think you might have to adjust your view of Kira 2, yes the plan caused a lot of chaos and she had people kidnapped basically. But it was also a very risky show off-like plan, which wasn't thought through all the way
The final scene of this episode where they happen to be in the same place wasn't in the manga, this was a random little scene inserted into the anime and doesn't really make much sense to be canon considering context from later, I don't know that they thought too hard about it but the original author at least had nothing to do with that scene being there
I'm gonna push back a bit on the consensus topic: It is 100% true that having someone agree with you should not be the *basis* of your argument; you are not 1% more correct because someone else agrees. However, and you know this, it does bolster your confidence in your theory. This is exactly what we do in science: independently coming to the same conclusion to try to discredit it and only allowing our confidence to grow when we fail to do so. If we were concerned with absolute truths, we should be doing philosophy and mathematics. Both real life science and, in this show, solving crimes are about PRACTICAL reasoning. What does it matter if the reasoning is suspect if it pushes the investigation forward? What does it matter that Newton is wrong about mechanics if you can use it to build rollercoasters and trains and airplanes. We're not seeking knowledge for knowledge's sake here; we're trying to catch a guy. EVERYTHING up to this point has been conjecture built upon conjecture. A majority of L's reasoning bases entirely on the foundation of his psychological profile of Kira, which is literally no more than pure guesswork. It's informed guesswork, but it's not the same standard as a modus ponens syllogism. There has never been absolute truth in this show. Even the existence of Kira can turn out to be a really freaky series of coincidence.
Well, there is objetive truth inscience, but not science itself, it is maths, I would say. But how to interpret that alone is up for debate. There is really a lot less consensus about the latter than people know. I have spent so many hours in rooms with people agreeing on maths of quantum theory and going haywire about their interpreataions. If you give textbook definitions to experts, they will a ttack 90% of them (a collegueof mine did that last week and he caused half a war). The only things that I would say are "consensus" in science are theories. The rest is a lot less consensus as is commonly thought. It is more finding where people agree to disagree and where they only agree, but that is really also different from people to people :D
@@storieswithstyleand I think that's how it should be. But that doesn't mean that engineers or even laypeople don't feel more emboldened by findings that have been extensively reproduced than by those without that privilege, all the more so if we stray away from the firm footings of physics and delve deeper into mechanisms we don't have a strong mathematical model for (e.g. the human body, mind, or collective, etc.) I do agree that it's a dangerous mindset. For example, we shouldn't believe in climate change because practically all the climate scientists do; we should form that belief by examining the overwhelming evidence they present. But at the end of the day, neither you nor I will take a de-aging drug that one guy said passed his hypothesis testing.
Yes, we should try to not let anyone sell us air, but even that is hard as one does not even have the time to read up on a tenth of topics where that applies :(
Regarding consensus, I think many people reaching the same conclusion *independently* carries weight. The value of consensus only evaporates when the conclusions of others have the potential to influence subsequent opinions.
"Oh God please, don't make her dumb! Noooo" ahahahaha too late for that, my friend! I read that, in an interview, the author said that the main reason she introduced Misa Misa in the story was "To don't make the average reader/viewer (depending on if you're reading the manga or watching the anime) feel too dumb, in comparison with Light and L" AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
When the fake Kira said about 'Shinigami' things, L would immediately think of the Light's word 'L, do You know? a Shinigami only eats apples.' at that moment and must have been perfectly sure. oh, stupid Light again. because of his cheap arrogance, he walked himself into his coffin.
It doesn't have to be that complicated imo. Light has already explained his worldview and this is what L is extrapolating form. We saw that L already understood the level of megalomania and hubris within Kira, so much so that they think that they EMBODY Justice. Therefore anyone doing evil deeds as well as going against him are both targeting "justice" in his eyes.
How i see it, Light is trying to achieve control by fear, and he kinda understands how control works. You can't get control just by showing power (it will simply lead to revolt), with power you should also establish some rules, that should be simple. Light had rules: 1) i'll kill you if you criminal, 2) i'll kill you if you stand against me. Second Kira showed by killing just some tv presenter that there are no rules, just power (what is the last thing those in control want people to know). That's why L calls second Kira not so bright. sorry my english bad
You seem to struggle a bit with the line "this isnt Kiras MO because kira only killed criminals and people who went after him" lol, purse snatcher while a minor criminal is still a criminal and lind l taylor even though it was a ruse said he was going after kira so hes a part of the second stipulation of "people going after kira" so the reasoning is still sound. Naomi was innocent but she also fell into the "going after kira" part as well
I would argue lindt was because of badmouthing. The second kira was actuallly through killing pattern, they just cut that info apparently:D but yeah, thqt could be the reasoning as well.
I think the reason why they identify this Kira is not the real one is because of the whole ‘taking a whole TV channel hostage’ situation. Kira has only killed criminals or those who oppose him. Him doing this to a TV channel who hasn’t done anything to him goes against his “righteous” cause, and by the end of the episode, it did unite a lot of people against the Kira cause. Light’s plan was to turn public opinion in his favor. The TV channel move felt closer to a terrorist takeover, because those in the TV building were civilians who had not opposed Kira, so it breaks the pattern.
Yeah, agreed, but also I think the show missed the explanation rather than adding to your point focusing in the selected victims, which aren't that different of Kira's normal victims. Aside from the fact that they have an opposing view of Kira, which he doesn't really care as we know unless they get in his way. That's a bit out of character but a big leap to say it's a second Kira. In summary, yes, you are right and maybe the subs aren't doing the favor here.
And I think that's the reason Light says it "tarnished" the name of Kira. Yes, Light wants society to be manipulated by their fear of Kira and fall in line with his ideals of right and wrong, but in such a way that those who perceive themselves as innocent and "right" will secretly praise Kira for culling the criminals and evil-doers from the Earth. He wants Kira to be powerful in idea as well as action, seeing himself as a God, someone who is above humanity and therefore untouchable. The Second Kira brings him back down to Earth and exposes Kira for the terrorist he actually is, holding the world hostage as long as he is allowed to continue, and demonstrating the lengths Kira can and has to go to in order to maintain his power and control.
he did kill Lind Taylor in ep 2 :D
@@storieswithstyle But technically Lind Taylor was L and opposed him. That’s the thing. The subtlety is that it’s “criminals” or “those who oppose him.” I’m not attributing any morality to his code. Light’s a psychopath. But in the world he wants to build, everyone is safe unless they go against him or commit crimes. That is why the TV station hostage situation was very “off brand.” At least that’s my read. If the world is happy that someone is getting rid of all criminals and the police are actually the one trying to stop their “saviour”, then things work out in Lights favor. But if an act of Kira (like this one) is done in such a blunt, terrorist-like way, then that perception goes away. Like another commenter said, it goes from “Kira is a God” to “Kira is just another terrorist who thinks he’s making the world a better place.” Light is playing a game of perception.
@@storieswithstylebc he thought he was L and he opposed him
I think the reason why Misa seemed smart at first was because she had many days or even weeks to plan and set up that confrontation. When she reacted to the task force's message, it was like the next day. It shows that she's not one to make elaborate plans but the eyes give her an edge...she's mostly just spontaneous.
I agree with you here l love it is amzing episode have nice day❤
Well, she is pretty clever in the next ep as well :D
@@storieswithstyle Do you have like a patreon for an early acess? love your deathnote reactions
yes, it is in the video descriptions =) It is always at least 2 eps farther then youtube =)
Misa being as clever as light and doing stuff like she did in this episode doesn't necessarily contradict - contrary, it only means her priorities are different. Details are revealed later, but with the material here is seems:
L's priorities:
1. Catching Kira
2. Surviving 1.
Light:
1. His god complex
2. Not getting caught
3. L dying
4. His cat and mouse game with L.
Misa's Kira / what misa thinks Kiras priorities are:
1. Serving justice
2. Killing L
Misa's priority:
1. Meeting Kira
2. Helping Kira
3. Confirming the kira she meets to be kira
4. Not getting caught herself.
Note that for misa, the not getting caught part is very low in the priorities whereas for light, it is quite high. She IS operating as clever as light - but towards a different goal. Keeping information secret is less important to her than to light.
I agree with you here l love misa she smart villain too have nice day❤
I think this is a great breakdown in the differences between these three and how/why they operate. Misa can seem dumb, but mainly when looking at it from a she "should" do X and her doing Y contradicts that. She "should" be trying not to get caught, but she doesn't really care about that, so she is careless in her actions. She wants to meet Kira, and she comes up with some very clever ways to do that! It's all about seeing things from different perspectives.
Misa is so well written, though I onl yunderstood her next ep fully
She’s dumb
@@storieswithstyle Misa adds a rogue element into the mix that shakes up Light and L's chess match. After L, Misa's my next favorite character, she's a lot of fun and definitely more complex than she seems on the surface.
In the last episode,Misa:
-revealed that more than one person can have Kira's power (death note)
-revealed that kira can kill without names (shinigami eyes)
-made the police go back to standing up against kira
-confirmed to L that kira is not some godlike being (he wasnt 100% sure before)
-killed innocent people just to show that she was kira,which made "kira" no longer look like a name of justice that punishes evil and protects the good,aka it took down its reputation
All of this to get light's attention
Id say she was just as dumb as she was in the current episode
I disagree. We see next ep that she is indeed clever, just mentally damaged af
@@storieswithstyle she is not completely dumb,she is just Extremely reckless and doesn't think about the consequences of her actions
@@storieswithstyleDang😂
i had typed up a whole comment to try to explain why L and Light consider the second Kira "not very bright", but i found myself basically defining a word by using the word. more to the point; i'm really just not sure how you got the impression that the second Kira seemed just like the real Kira, or seemed to be acting with anywhere near the same level of intellect, caution, or deviousness. i don't think they "built her up only to make her dumb now."
i have always thought that most viewers immediately got the impression in the last episode that it was a copycat because the second Kira spoke in a much different way than Light speaks and behaved in a way much less cautious, much more boastful and in the open, and also, Light was not shown for so long.
I might have overanalyd, but Misa is defintiely bright, but not always with good reasons, love how she is written.
Part of the reason why they say the second Kira is not as smart as Kira one, is because there are things she did that in that episode that will be used to prove it is her. The show is planting the seed for that reveal.
I think the reason L freaked out at the mention of Shinigami is different to his earlier statement of 'maybe it could just be an act of God' because that was mostly him saying "i acknowledge the possibility but there's obviously no way that's true" whereas Misa explicitly saying she wants to show Kira her shinigami puts L in a position where he has to genuinely consider that he might be incapable of solving the case due to it actually being related to Gods
Yeah, it felt like that. I also loved that it showed small emotions of his - again. He is really marvellously written =)
His reaction here is so similar to Light's when he sees Ryuk for the first time, from yelling out to falling out of his chair. I think it's a really great way of showing how similar they are when confronted with evidence of something beyond themselves and their influence.
I think it's less that he feels he'll be incapable of solving it with Gods involved and more that as a hyper-logical person, learning that supernatural things exist flips his world upside-down.
Light's sense of entitlement that he demonstrated during the happenstance meeting with Naomi explains why he is okay with L dying in an indirect manner. In other words, Light would still take some kind of credit even if he didn't kill L directly because he feels that his existence as the god of the new world entitles him to punish L, so even an unrelated incident would just be fate on his side. In the same way, he was pleased to encounter Naomi by luck and even thought "there must be a god on my side."
Exactly.
Wildcard in play: Misa is both beneficial and harmful to both sides as she is out of lights control and not as careful as light in her attempts to contact him. Getting caught by the police is low on her priority list.
You're right! There is a "god of stories" that exists and makes all these lucky coincidences happen because it's fun. He's called Tsugumi Ohba (the author).
Or She is called?
Rem design is really cool. She is also a female Shinigami.
I don't feel like anything Misa did in episode 11 was particularly intelligent. The summation of her plan: send a letter with pre-recorded tapes to the TV station; kill some people for proof; demand the police obey Kira; demand L be sacrificed. The only parts of this that show intelligence are that she A) did not use people Kira might kill for her proof and B) filtered her voice. The stunt was brute force, not a mastermind tactic. She was formidable in this situation because of the Death Note and shinigami eyes, not because she ran a clever gambit.
I agree with you here have nice day❤
I always read Misa as impulsive, not stupid. If she actually has to take the time to stand back and think, she can be quite smart. The problem is, if she thinks she has a lead, she will rush forward at full speed.
I currently think she is really clever, but has serious mental issues. Really intriguing.
She's basically Harley Quinn. Loyal and secretly smart, but it's overshadowed by her obsessions and makes her impulsive/stupid. She's like an intelligence pendulum. But sadly, the dumb side swings harder. She's a very devisive character. 35:04 she's not underage at all she just looks & acts young
Yes your ritht here l love her she amzing have nice day❤
I think she's older than Light.
@@gabrielesolletico6542 She is two years older than Light (manga bdays, she's born in '84, he's born '86; in the anime it's '87 and '89, respectively).
@@Persewna4 Ok, so I was right.
I think you overestimated her in the last episode. She didn't really do anything too intelligent, but she made some big mistakes:
- She made it clear that Kira is a person and not some other sort of entity.
- She created a physical trial by sending actual tapes.
- She attempted to be a spokesperson for the "real Kira".
- She revealed a higher level of power by killing those who approached the station.
I think it's consistent with what we see her (and what we'll see). Also, in this episode she made the reply because, in her mind, the only one who would know she wasn't Kira would be the real Kira.
No, I underestimated her in this one. But it all beacme reall clear in the next ep =)
Seriously, I think Misa's error is enormous. You have to think about it from a public perspective too. Besides the Lind L. Taylor incident, which was only broadcasted originally one region of Japan, there really isn't any reason to assume Kira isn't just a mysterious god, and is thus far easier to worship. When Kira is making dumb simplistic moral arguments like Misa, he's a lot less mysterious and incredible. Like a writer, Light knows how to rhetorically make Kira seem divine and just, even if his moral base is weak.
True, bit it does give zeslots more tangible stuff, so i still think that is a big plus :D
L: “This kira is not so bright”
German guy: “They think kira is clever”
HA, and I was right! =P As they say next ep :D
@@storieswithstyle you are seriously overestimating her. She has always been a liability. Even at the first broadcast she went way out of character for kira and revealed she can kill with just face.
@@LD-dt1sk yeah, and in the following episode she is even dumber when she literally comes to his home. Finding Light using shinigami eyes is not clever, she was literally told how they work when you look at other death note users, she even needed step by step repeated instructions from Rem on how that works just before. She has yet to do anything that is not completely dumb and almost gets Light captured.
Yeah, it's a bit convenient that in the whole world, where having a Death Note seems to be very rare, 2 Japanese who live in the same place have one.
And yes, for the beginning, there aren't many clues that prove the existence of the second Kira but L (and Light, of course :D) have a good understanding of the first Kira's personality. Enough so that the murder of 2 innocents doesn't seem to be in the habits, not like “justice”, of the first Kira. Because Kira only kills criminals and his opponents, not "direct" innocents (but I admit it's a bit convenient too, and the “opponents” can be a very wide range of people).
But that doesn't stop us from enjoying the story, I guess :)
Read your bible! (KJV, preferably) ❤️
There is a big difference between goth and satanism, though with some overlap. Satanism (as officially described) is effectively anti-religion, there's no worship and it mainly runs on symbolism how a person can do everything by themselves. Goth is an anti-conformist culture, it works as a protest against "imposed values", which very commonly ends up as anti-happiness anti-traditional style despite it not being the point. Then there's just goth fashion, which has grown into a separate thing, especially in Japan where many brands can get very fashionable while staying all black. It's ambiguous if Misa is Catholic, but it's very likely due to her experiences she just enjoys being closer to the spiritual side even if she doesn't practice anything.
She does wear a rosary, but this might just be more religious iconography. It's very common to use Christian iconography in media. Babymetal uses things like the Virginia Mary statue etc.. but it's not a Christian message. And the group has nothing to do with Christianity. Japan is a very non religious country. 80% refer to themselves as non religious. Less than 1% are Christian. But everyone knows stuff like the apple etc.. and it just provides interesting symbolism.
Yes, they are differnt, I just got both vibes from her beacuse of the black (goth) and the church stuff and her killing (satanism) =)
Naaaaaaaaa, it's the same shit
The same hot shit
@@storieswithstyle "The Church stuff"? Why would be "The Church stuff" a symbol, or something related, with Satanism? If you're a Catholic, you have Holy Images in your house (Like picture of Jesus, of the Virgin Mary, of the Sacred Heart etc.). But I must add that, in Japan, sometimes some of this Holy symbol are generally related with Gothic fashion in general, since 99,99% of the Japanese aren't Christians (and the very few who are are generally Protestants), and they simply related Cross, Holy Hearts of Mary etc. with a "gothic" scenario, because they see these religious symbol a lot in western horror films about vampires etc.
On a note side: her own name, "Misa", it's the way the English word "Mass" is pronounced by Japanese people. So yes, her relation with Holy iconographies is really tight.
@@gabrielesolletico6542 lol why is that even a question, when thinking of satanism most people immediately think that it's the ''opposite of christianity'' thats why the church stuff in this setting (with killing and gothic fashion) gives off satanistic vibes (of course i know that's not what satanism is because i studied it a lot a few years ago)
I think that Light sees himself as the chosen one and every time that luck is on his side he sees it as a validation of his godhood. He commented on it multiple time by the past when something went his way out of pure luck. So I think that if another Kira appears to kill his enemy out on nowhere he would see it as a sign of the world siding with him again and not as a steal.
And I think that since he sees himself as a god, he doesn't perceive his actions as "killing innocents" but once the second Kira does it, he doesn't see it the same way. And I think that ultimately what the public says about him matters a lot to him and we know that he kills some people by other means than heart attacks just like Naomi Misora and ultimately, people only identify him with heart attacks and wouldn't link those other deaths to him. So the fact that the second Kira use his signature move to kill people he hasn't sentenced himself irritates him even if he would have done the same.
There's nothing inconsistent with Light killing the FBI agents in my opinion. We humans in the real world have done just as much if not more. Whatever opposes your "righteous" beliefs are deemed evil by definition and if they are extreme enough to perform acts of violence against you then why fight with kids gloves on?
Light’s concern about the 2nd Kira is two fold:
1. Reputation
2. Someone outside of his control who may get caught (and therefore reveal the existence of the deathnote which increaes the odds of himself get caught). I don’t know if this is ever explicitly stated, but its definitely implied.
Also, while Light did kill a purse snatcher which is a very low-level crime, its still a crime. But Misa killed actual innocent TV show hosts who committed no crime nor were they pursuing Kira. Even Lind L Taylor was allegedly pursuing Light.
So L does have good reason to suspect a 2nd Kira based on that.
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Regarding why they think the 2nd Kira is less intelligent, it’s not entirely accurate but also not inaccurate. Rewatch the last episode and pay attention to how the 2nd Kira talks. While capable of intelligent plans, her behavior is overall more simplistic.
In the defense of L’s freakout
For people believe in God or gods and for people to believe in ghosts or the grim reaper(s) are fairly different.
In a way, Gods of Death may as well be gods of destiny. I mean think about people who die in freak car accidents and how leaving home just 2 minutes later or ealier would have completely changed their fates. So its not a stretch to think that events can line up in such a way that maximizes the number of deaths happening is by keeping Kira alive and out of prison
Perhaps odd to say but I love the old internet memes you reference all the time, reminds me of my older brother who is much older than I am who would teach me about them because I was still too young to use the internet myself. Very nostalgic!
Also in regard to luck, I assume at least in the girl’s case, her lifespan is so long even after having the eyes that it’s impossible for there to be a situation where she dies before then and events may be subtly manipulated in her favour because of this.
I was there, 3000 years ago... not, but I was there when it started to go mainstream (internet), so .. oh god, I am old xD
Misa was never built up to be more intelligent than average. She was only portrayed as an average-level intellect, but now she is shown to also be driven by her emotions, which can make her a bit impulsive if she gets carried away.
The luck god you described is the author and the manga release structure: Apparently, mangas like death note are not written in one go but on a week by week basis, which means there may have been a rough outline, but they wrote and released it chapter by chapter with no way to edit it after the chapter is released. This means the writers here often end a chapter on a cliffhanger before deciding how to resolve that cliffhanger in the next episode - which leads to crazy luck.
That's a thing with manga in general, they usually are made by teams of 2-5 who must send 20 pages of material to the publisher weekly, so very commonly the author makes up new ideas on the fly, then creates moments of suspense to buy the reader's interest and some time to figure out what they even want to do with it.
@@Amonimus Honestly, this structure is a dual-edged blade: a lot of fun ideas come out of it occasionally, but also a lot of bad writing. I think a lot of manga premises could be improved if they had been written and published in one go, but on the other hand a lot of good ideas might get lost in such a structure.
Yes, I know, it really shows, but it is not that bad if i know why it is. Still, in the manga some stuff was apparently better explained :D
@@storieswithstyle Yeah... Basically, an anime usually summarises a manga, keeping out a lot of small details. With this show it really, and I mean REALLY, shows once you reach what is the later half of the manga and the last quarter of the anime.
IMO at this point you *have to* react to Steins;Gate some time(maybe right after Death Note). I'm 99.9% sure you'll enjoy it.
FYI, if a story, whatever the medium, was free of any "convenience", that story would be either the utmost boring story ever, or the longest one ever. Convenience is mandatory in a fiction, the talent of the writer resides in his/her capacity to find a way to make them believable. As I said in a previous video: the story is based on our world but includes shinigamis, or rather this precise conception of shinigami. All the conveniences could easily be answered by either: it’s a story and it needs to go on; or, god figures being implemented, they are devine interventions. I think the problem for you finding them believable resides in the time you take pausing the video (not that I reproach any of it, of course you need to do so to comment, but I’m sure you’ll enjoy it much better when/if you watch it again after that without pausing)
And of course, as usual, the answers will come later… 😉
No, I solightly disagree. there are stories (aoT or dark) whewre there are almost no conveniences like in death note. I do not mind that much, as I know it was a serialized manga and released week to week without an overarchingdetailed plan. So it makes sense =) In that form of stoytelling, there definitely is room for conveniences.
yeah, I'm here with my guy in the vid here (srry I don't know your name), one thing is to making things convenient, which is straight the hand of the writer acting, and the other is planned events to make the story interesting, which come from real planning in story making. There are both types of authors, but it feels more natural or less "convenient" when it's planned.
Btw, the situation at the end of the video, is convenient too, but not really important. It's just to showcase the disparity of views in close quarters without hurting the story or making weird transitions. Just like L and Light "argue" at the end of 2nd ep on justice.
I like that you mention stories without conveniences being too long or hard to write, because I feel that's exactly what stopping G.R.R Martin from finishing ASOIAF.
He wrote a lot of storylines that each need to converge in a single one, but he doesn't like writing conveniences, he has to develop every step in a "realistic" way, and that would take much more space that what he himself framed for the story (7 books).
@@omarisrael4974 that's a good point about planned "conveniences" being more natural, over conveniences being necessary to write the story out of the corner its in. Like, an easy way to have fixed the issue with Naomi would be a scene or even a line to show that her being at the police HQ was not coincidence, that she's been going every day to try to speak with the task force, and been turned away each day. Then when Light meets her, it's not convenient, because that's where she's been every day; Light going to the HQ that day would then make their meeting inevitable. It might also fix her willingness to talk with him once he tells her he's on the task force, because her built up frustration over being turned away everyday, coupled with her grief, could make her more likely to slip up and make a mistake.
@@Persewna4, you got it. Smoothing out a series of events does the world for the story being "more realistic". Even in a fast-paced series like Death Note. Couldn't give a better example than yours.
7:38 he said a completely different thing.
What he was saying is, that the probability is lower for 2 people to be incorrect exactly the same way
Even in science, if someone came up with a theory, it still needs to be proved. But if 2 people came up with the same theory, it demands even more attention
The manga has more inner monologues, especially during the 2nd half of the show, the anime has to rush some parts, after all it's a show mostly consisting of still images, internal monologue, and dialogues, they are already doing their best to make it exciting such as the potato chip scene or killing montages, with exciting music and cuts, for what is actually just a guy sitting at the desk and writing in his notebook.
4:30 Again, Light is a psychopath, but he still has his own moral "code" which he finds pride in and follows closely. He would never kill anyone innocent unless he deems it necessary for the greater good.
He also wants the public to see Kira as a Just and Divine ruler. So making direct contact with the public, takes away from that divinity. The 'myth of kira' if you will. And killing innocents, also lowers public opinion on Kira.
L has noticed this strong moral code/sense of justice Kira has, and has correctly assumed that he wouldnt easy compromise on his morals. He mentioned this "sense of justice" on episode 1 already. And Light's childish desire to win, which L also noticed, is also consistent with the sense of pride he has in his personal morals, and the fact that he would refuse to admit lose by compromising on them. That's why L is so sure about this being a second Kira. It's an entirely different personality. This one is more brazen, less worried about public outcry, kills easier with only a face, and more morally ambiguous.
As for why Light kills so many cops:
1. They are evil in his mind since they are directly trying to prevent Kira from making a peaceful world, so they deserve death
2. The trolley problem: either light kills the 'innocent' cops, or he gets caught, and more innocents die at the hands of murders.
3. Self-Defence: Light is gonna keep "helping the world" (as he sees it) irregardless of what others decide to do, but if people insist on trying to catch and kill him, he is fully justified to defend himself, in his mind.
As for the "Purse-snatcher" he killed. I am 90% sure that that guy's crime went wrong and he ended up assaulting his victims. That's a violent crime, so Light judges it with violence. Also he was in a situation where he couldn't otherwise kill people with more serious crimes.
As for L's "argument of consensus" he wasnt saying that since they both came to the same conclusion it's more true. He was saying its "MORE CONVINCING". In other words, if the others didnt take his word for it, maybe they would take Light's.
As for 2nd kiras intelligence last episode: she left behind a plethora of physical evidence that light never did due to her brazen attack, and gave some more info about the killing method: other people can use it, some can do so without a name.
Also people can have their bright moments without being consistently clever.
As for the coincidences. In real life, coincidences happen all the time! It would be more weird if NON happened in this show.
20:20 how was she clever? What was co clever in what she’s done?
Light dislikes the second kira because misa kills people that light thinks aren't worth it. She killed a man that has only said that kira is evil, which goes against light's perception of justice. Light was disgusted with himself, after having killed Takuo Shibuimaru and almost throws up. He realizes at that point that his own Standards need to be above satisfying his own boredom.
They think the second Kira isn't very bright because he engaged in a public, directly-speaking-to-the-world display, killed innocent cops in front of the world (as opposed to the FBI agents dying "off screen"--it matters to how people view it,) and he left a TON of physical evidence in the process... even the idea that they might have theoretically been able to undo the voice warping should have been a hypothetical concern.
I didn't have trouble following Light and L's ethos and logic, which.. might be telling, maybe I'm borderline a sociopath haha. But none the less, the 2nd Kira was really obvious I thought because:
Kira has never needed hostages, or spoke to the public at all. For us viewers its been 5 hours of anime time, but in world its been over half a year. Kira has never had to demand anything as petty as bring forth more criminals. Its extremely obvious.
If She wants to get Kira's attention, she's going to have to make a big scene, and make it known she's the one killing them. If she starts going after criminals that are going to have heart attacks anyway, Light would likely never know it wasn't him for a while. So.. impatience is basically a huge MO here.
Kira doesn't need anyone to keep broadcasting criminals, he's been taking his time, so rushing the fact and making it public is just weird. It also is such a bad to go about it. This whole scene was garbage for Kira's reptutation.
Before all this, "Bad people" were dying, that was all the public knew and it wasn't a concern now. Out of sight out of mind. Now? This was enough of a shove to get the police involved again, to rally, and that is the worst thing because now. people will bother keeping an eye out for Kira, and will hestitate less to call in tips.
Light's kept the shadows this entire time, there was no reason for Kira to ever step out of them. Keep in mind kiling the FBi, the Naomi, etc was cloak and dagger, and no one ever knew.
Exactly this. The main point is that 2nd Kira's actions were inconsistent are way to sudden compared to previous Kira. Not talking about the fact that she could kill people without a name and killed completely innocent, unrelated people just to "show off"/prove their identity, which was never needed - there was literally 0 point to that.
Right; Kira demanding that more criminals be broadcast would make sense only if the world's governments had taken a public stance to no longer provide Kira with potential victims, and he was forced to acknowledge his existence and declare the world his hostage if they continued to defy him. But no one was doing that yet, so Light had no reason to confirm to the world that Kira was more than rumor. As long as Kira was not much more than whispers and speculation, the more powerful he would be, because he would place doubt in the public's (and even L's) mind on whether these events were mortal or divine. Announcing himself would end that, and make it clear to all law enforcement that Kira is real, human, catchable, stoppable.
@@Persewna4 That's a very brilliant point as well. Kira has never come out and conversed with anyone. The closest they came was inmates writing messages to L in their own blood before they died.
^ This alone would send any normal person packing. You mean to tell me, that someone has the ability to kill anyone with a face or name from far away, and control final moments before they die? The only thing that even comes close to rationalizing this is hypnotism and that can't be done remotely.
There is no logical explanation for Kira's abilities other than supernatural.
What she did was irresponsible, dumb and really one of the very few ways that L could even pin anything on Light.
It was months ago, that Light gave a teaser about Shinigami loving apples which could very well be tossed away as nonsense and nothing more. Light hasn't given any clues since then overtly and likely never would.
5:35 They suspect there is a second Kira due to the fact that Kira killed INNOCENT news-channel runners, which the real Kira would not have found necessary to do.
He would, they badmouthed him like lindt taylor 🤔
@@storieswithstyleLind L Taylor Stated to the News that he's L and He Is opposed on what's light been doing and saying that he's going to punish light for his doings is evil that's why Light Killed him
Some have died from their alien encounter.. on the spot from fear/ shock / heart attack, over time from the stress, or from physiological effects ( radiation )
The reality can hit people in different ways
MIsa is an airhed but she has random burst of competence, like she dumb as a brick, but later down the line she gonna keep doing thigns that are realy smart
I do see her a bit different after the next ep, but I will discuss her then from my point of view =)
although he considered it to some extent, I don't think L seriously beleived in the supernatural as a potential explanation of events until this episode.
As a Detective, the only thing L knows is that Kira uses an unknown method that has strict rules. Even if he considered psychic abilities, to him it's still something tangible. The implications that the supernatural is involved may have put him into overdrive because in such case rational logic and arrest could be impossible and he'd have to come up with something else.
Something that always confused me about Death Note reactors is that for some reason a lot of them think that Misa was genius in the last episode. The plan she came up with was of completely average intelligence. The only reason it seems smart is because we were confused on what was going on. And her plan was portrayed the same way all of Lights are. Every time Light executes a plan we get left in the dark the same way we were with Misa's plan. Another thing is that we originally assumed it was Light but then found out it was Misa's, I think this causes a lot of people to feel like Misa is just as smart as light. At the end of the day the plan Misa came up was good but it wasn't anything an average human couldn't come up with.
It wwas pretty good and I do think she is above light level of planning/intelligence, but she is severely hampered by her mental problems, that severly impair her most of the time. =)
@@storieswithstyleOkay now you're either trolling or completely in denial 😂
Here's a partial answer to your question about how many. We don't know for sure how many death notes are in play in total during the series but there are more rules not stated in the anime. One of those rules is: Only six death notes can function in the human world at the same time. If there are more than six death notes in the human world at the present moment, only the first six to enter the human world can function. So we don't know for sure exactly how many death notes there are in the human world during the show, but we do know for sure that no matter how many there are, it is impossible for more than six of them to be in play.
Wow, and 4 are currently in japan :D
Little funfact to L's reaction to the "eyes" misa mentioned: there is a light novel about the BB muders that was mentioned (The one case where naomi was working under L in LA). In that light novel the murder (known as beyond birthday=BB) was someone who was born with the eyes of a shinigami without him having any connections to the death note at all. L couldnt piece ut together at that time but later when he found out about the shinigamis and eyes (that moment) he was able to piece something together. Tho its just a head canon but still interesting to think about.
I guess you can really say that gods meddled with this whole story. Which is what literally happened. Ryuk was bored and tricked their shinigami king, while Rem did something she felt the need to do because of the shinigami that killed himself by saving Misa. I like to believe that death note fall on earth every 500 or more years, but here there's two falling in the same country around the same time. A once in an earth's time thing.
For ls reason , Kira could have killed him in ep 2 if he had the abilities of the second Kira
I think the purse snatcher had another history and was only recently back in the spotlight for the minor thing of snatching a purse.
The 2nd kira being called out like that is due to that incident being a sudden drastic measure that kira never went to for all the time he was active. It's boisterous, it's showing off, it's very direct in intend, etc. which are all indicators of a lesser intellect and drastically different from kira (despite being prone to provocations).
The difference between Shinigamis in the world of Death Note and Grim Reapers is that they don't come to collect your soul when your time comes, Shinigamis actually steal your lifespan by killing you way before your expiration date. That's why Misa didn't die by a heart attack, her name wasn't written on a death note, that was her death time and she was supposed to be killed by that man.. She isn't supposed to be alive now, and I think that's why the punishment for extending people's lives is for whoever does it to perish and, ironically enough, pass their remaining lifetime to the person they saved.
Also take into account that Misa's life was supposed to end, then was extended, then she took the shinigami eye deal.
So whatever extra life Gelus gave her has been halved.
I personally think that the reason Misa appeared as smart is because she had time to plan. Anybody with enough time would be able to come up with a good strategy, however as soon as she was going to respond to Kira, that's where her plan ended, hence the reason why she was being dumb. Being smart is easier with prep time rather than improvisation.
It was mentioned that even shinigami don't entirely know how the books work. So Gelus wouldn't have known the consequences of his actions since not all details are spelled out for them. Does raise more questions on who the shinigami got their books from and who designed them.
It's been 8 and a half years... Last I lost was 8 and a half years ago when someone announced over the speakers at an anime convention that they lost the game. I thought I was finally free...
The reason that he suspects a second Kira is because she (misa) kills with only a face during the tv station incident; he knows that the first Kira (light) has only killed with a name and a face. It’s literally that simple. Hope that helps anybody who is confused.
I like your god of luck theory, and I'm glad that you're noticing the pattern of luck following Light already.. The writer tried to get away with it by making his main character say it out loud, but let's see how that plays out
since everyone is afraid to say, i will say it: Misa is just a dumb fanservice.
there can only be a few "coincidences" in a story before it starts feeling forced.
The first one was the death note randomly being found by one of the smartest people in the world (that happened to be a psychopath too). This is ok, the story has to kickoff somehow.
L taking the stage and starting this cat/mouse chase is not a coincidence. After the Kira case came to the attention of world leaders, it is just natural that only the smartest people around would remain playing the game.
Naomi being written as such a smart person, but then, being wasted by a sequence of coincidences was bad enough, but at least we can accept that the author probably noticed he couldnt handle the way the story was going, so he got rid of her in the fastest/dirtiest way as possible.
and now we got this. How luck that among all gothic lolita models in the world, the shinigami fell in love (another rare event) with exactly that one in Japan. and that happened around the time where kira situation was already in motion. and she is absolutely obssessed with the villain (a la harley quinn)
nah, that is just too much...
I guess we can agree that the author just wanted to grab more views by throwing some old anime trope and stirring up the dreams of fanartists.
the anime is still enjoyable, though. Once Misa is stablished as a tool and we just accept she is there and stop questioning how, we can go back and focus on the L/L chase.
Was it ever stated that she is japanese? It's easy for a famous model to travel to different locations for photo shootings and it is known that Kira at least was at first in Japan, Chinjoku.
the reason Light say is a 2nd kira is how he killed de people arriving the tv station. Not because he only killed people who oppose him, but because until now it was stated that he needed the face and name of the people being killed, and this time he only saw the faces.
I believe Light and L consider Misa to be "not very bright," because she revealed the existence of a second Kira and achieved nothing from it other than notifying the real Kira about her existence. I think a "brighter" person would simply start killing criminals the same way Kira does - he'd no doubt notice that some criminals have started dying without his involvement. That way, it wouldn't seem suspicious to the police but it would still catch Kira's attention. From there on, they could cooperate through killings to find a way to meet each other. Even if they didn't meet, killing criminals for Kira would allow the real Kira to avoid suspicion, as he'd be able to feign innocence whilst criminals continued to die from heart attacks. That's my two cents, anyway.
The Second Kira is deduced and called dumb by Light and L because not only did she go against literal innocent people as in non criminals and people who didn’t go after Kira, but also because she made the public opinion go against Kira by giving a dictator’s speech
7:27 Ok but in this case, for L, its important it's Light specifically who is posing/agreeing with this possibility. L clearly thinks Light is kira, and if kira thinks this is a second kira, THAT is significant.
That is true!
"Argumentum ad populum" is what we call it in the US. Latin, literally: "argumentation via the populace/masses--claiming a truth or affirming something is good or correct because many people think so."
That doesn't really apply because in this circumstance they're experts. What he's trying to say the fact that they agree isn't the reason we accept the claim. It's the evidence supported in the paper, scientific theory etc..
@@russellward4624 - I'm not saying it applies to anything. It was a term he tried to state, but didn't know the US phrase for. I'm pointing out the equivalent term for whatever it was he said in German.
Well, the big "coincidence" in that last scene at the cafe does not affect the plot in any way. They could be having those thoughts in different places and the story would be the same.
So I consider it more an arthistic choice to represent the characters in this moment than a plot hole.
Also, I think is a way of telling us that their fates are connected somehow.
As far as Death Note reactions are concerned, I think there are 3 areas where people's views differ both between individuals and across episodes:
1. Light and how much he's justified in his actions
2. Misa
3. The pacing of the show
Personally, I can't wait to see how you view Misa...
Also, stop going on about that purse-snatcher xD! "Einmal ist keinmal!"
07:37 - There's a saying over here: "If two independent people are telling you that you're drunk, shut up and sleep it off."
14:17 - Whether something is dumb or not depends on the desired goal... What does Misa want?
16:25 - I would have more sympathy towards your stance had I not just finished watching a bright young woman playing an adventure game vividly recall a crucial clue that was mentioned in passing 12 hours earlier... as she continued to stumble about aimlessly, unable to solve a puzzle, because she forgot the game's fundamental mechanic that she kept using over and over over those last 12 hours. Women are strange creatures ;). Alternatively, if you want to take the fun out of it... men can also act with diminished IQ when driven by certain impulses...
22:28 - Please stop calling Rem a "he"...
27:23 - Ummm... Imagine you're a young woman accosted in a dark alley by a crazy stalker. You REALLY think you're going to talk yourself out of this? Just like that? You're going to come up with the exact sequence of words that'll make this work? I remember a seminar where, in the context of a random thug, the professor argued he'd use his expert knowledge of philosophy to present a moral argument and thus defuse the situation. His delivery was perfectly deadpan, but I think every last one of us understood that he was joking.
Well, I "get" misa next ep :D
Well, for the stalker, if they are infatuated you can actiually manipulate them. risky, but better than 100% death. But running away is always th ebest advice. Fun fact, you run away under big stress and freeze under small stress, so flight insitncts in real life alwways kick in in these situations =)
@@storieswithstyle that's interesting, and I think speaks to Misa's backstory then as to why she froze here instead of running... maybe she didn't believe she was going to die, or maybe the possibility of death wasn't as stressful to her as it might be to others...
@@Persewna4 "Fight, flight, or freeze", one could argue... However, you are onto something! "Psychopathy" as part of the dark triad is basically the ability to act calmly and rationally in otherwise horrifying circumstances. Then again, it will probably surprise absolutely nobody that Misa isn't exactly an emotionless, calculating psychopath ;)...
About the 2nd Kira I think she is clever if you consider her goals (currently: getting the attention of Kira and meeting him), she is getting that.
Misa is a gothic/punk style lolita, a Harajuku subculture of dressing. She can be a bit aloof but I think the cute persona veils her darkness, like Tai Lee, she hides your intelligence by masking under it an unassuming personality. To some it would appear stupid or non threatening because she’ll never be taken seriously. Also she isn’t immune to her naïveté, like Light as well, as a young woman obsessed with dark love.
Aaaah, I need to defend my girl Misa! She is clearly not dumb, you will see that in the future. She is just not as intelligent as the others and also she is naive and spontaneous, so she makes very human like mistakes. And I really understand her, when I was 14 or so I watched Death Note the first time and I was also a big Kira fan and simped for him, haha. I would have done the exact same thing like her. XD
Misa is cleverer tahn Light I currently think (after ep16). They really did her a bit dirty with many people saying she is dumb, I bought it :D
@@storieswithstyle Yeah, she is cool and kinda a sweet girl to me, just really mentally ill I believe. :p
29:50 If a shenigami causes a human's life to extend with some degree of love in mind, it'll cause the shenigami to die. That shenigami changed the predetermined time of death because he was infatuated with her.
A Shinigami falling in love with a human would be like a human falling in love with a goldfish. Granted, Misa's more like one of those expensive tropical fish, but still...
A God of Death-Death, if you will.
Great reaction, as usual. I understand your stance on how the Second Kira has acted as you think Kira should have done in front of the public, but Light seems to want to maintain the mysticism of the Kira figure and a message to the world where he kills innocent people for the only "crime" of publicly disagreeing with him has not been the best presentation to convince people that Kira is on the side of the defenseless citizens who want true Justice to reign in the world. From his point of view, he could be considered a magnanimous god, who is giving freedom to people to believe and support him or not, because the only ones he punishes are criminal wrongdoers (and people who get too close to the truth, but the public doesn't know that except for the prisoner who played L in front of the cameras; if I remember correctly, only the police, L and the FBI itself know about the FBI agents), not to people who do not believe or support him
Hence, the reason why Light considers that the Second Kira has sullied Kira's name. And the best way to maintain that mysticism, proper to a divine figure, is not to send any kind of messages, and even less to a television network known for its sensationalist yellow journalism.
I can't wait to watch your next DN reactions. And I also highly recommend you react to an anime psychological thriller titled Monster. I think you'll love it.
PS: I don't know where you're watching Death Note, but please change those subtitles. There are better subtitles for this anime on Netflix. And I recommend them for other anime as well.
Netflix does not have it in germany =( Noone does, it is region locked for some reason, so I.. well , ARRR :D
@@storieswithstyle If I've watched enough youtube channel sponsors claim, that's what a VPN is good for
I think down the line, Light would have eventually started killing Kira's critics, although it would probably be years down the road, once most serious crimes have been greatly stifled and Kira's grip on the world's throat started to tighten, then he would want to quietly eliminate anyone who opposes him or criticizes him. But even then he wouldn't announce that, it would be done slowly, likely with accidents instead of heart attacks, to make people superstitious and avoid speaking against him for fear of being "cursed" by Kira.
if you think about it she didnt do anything particularly smart, she just recorded somo voice overs and threatened/killed people to broadcast it
Well, next ep we see mroe of her cleverness, so I still stand by it. but yeah, there is some stuff left to explore with her :D
I wonder, did the show ever say that the police made it publicly available that Kira went after a purse snatcher / pretty criminal?
If they didn’t, it would make sense that Kira / Light would want to keep up the appearance that Kira only goes after the truly “guilty”.
I know is too soon to say this, but may i suggest after you finish Death Note to watch *Death Parade?* It's an anime that talks a lot about the concepts of death, and some may argue it has a "connection" to Death Note as well. Also, i beg you to watch *Monster,* by Naoki Urasawa, which is loved by many and regarded as the greatest mystery/suspense anime has ever produced.
I have watched death parade when it came out, absolutely loved it! =) I will probably do Monster after death Note.
It's so subtle but the way fake kira talk is very different from the 'letter' that kira wrote to L
In the letter kira used casual Japanese but the fake kira in the Sakura TV used polite Japanese
The reason why he said the second Kira isn't very bright is pretty simple.
They revealed themselves publicly and put themselves at ENORMOUS risk, when their ability to kill seemingly without a name and/or face would make them invaluable to the real Kira, and there are more clever and subtle ways to get Kira's attention without nailing down the city you're operating in and putting yourself at risk.
This entire stunt was risky and stupid to L and Light, it's antithetical to Kira's motives, and is the kind of move that previously L had to sacrifice a human life for (Lind L Taylor) to provoke this level of exposure.
It's not that what Misa was doing in the moment wasn't intelligently done, it's the idea itself that was stupid and way too overt.
Light's Kira was quietly executing criminals without saying a word or making statements himself, having faith that people would fall in line with his ideology naturally over time due to his actions acting as the example and message, he had no plans to speak on his own behalf.
Taking an entire news station hostage and publicly threatening the police, instilling fear in the public, is way out of character with what "Kira" was doing up to that point, Kira sees no need to _demand_ respect in any form, he expects and knows it will come on its own by positioning himself as a god figure.
Misa made a blunder by cooking up such a high profile situation in the first place, she's intelligent enough to execute plans flawlessly, but creating them is where her personal priorities drag her down, personal rational judgement is a different type of intelligence than raw plan making, any madman can make a machiavellian plot, doesn't mean what they're making it for is something smart.
uh I don't understand why you think the second kira is so intelligent, she didn't do anything 🤔
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i think the reason she isn’t as bright is because it’s a pretty reckless thing to do to take a building like that hostage and announce your intentions to the world essentially. up until this point most of his killings were criminals. at least public knowledge was that he only went after those outside of the fake L. only those investigating him knew he was cooking anyone that got in his way too.
she kinda ruined his “pr” by publicly threatening innocents and publicly killing officers.
but i agree she is quite bright when she wants to be. just sometimes she is too reckless.
edit: and she’s kind of a parasocial viewer type. she can be bright but her obsession with kira almost negates it.😂
she might be intelligent but how she uses it is definitely questionable
Very relatable for a teenage girl I think.
12:55 The reason that is incorrect is the fact that Kira would not have "had" to kill the innocent to prove he was Kira, he could have simply killed a Criminal at a specific time, where as the (other) Kira could not, as if they did, there was a chance that Light would have already killed said criminal before that time.
Misa was never trying to be like kira or trying to proof that she was kira to beging with, she only wanted to know Who he was because she admire him and did all the tv killing because of that, and that is also the reason why she did the eyes contract to be his partner and help him to "clean" the World, is interesting thoug how you went diferente way with her character
Misa is older than light
I'm not sure if Misa is ever mentioned to be japanese. She is a famous model that surely travels a lot for shootings and it surely is public knowledge that Kira resided in Japan, Chinjuku, as Kiras supporters shared the challenge L made to Kira and some crazed fans wanting to find Kira. So she could travel there to search for Kira.
Of course nobody knows if Kira is still in Japan, but she took she shot anyway because which other information does she have?
So it's not necessarily a convenience that both Death Node owners are in Japan!
15:31 The last time I watched this show, I thought the same thing.
So, right now, I think there are four death notes. Misa has one, Light has one, Ryuk has one and Rem has one.
Light's room: typical college student with nothing suspicious. Plain.
Misa's room: the freaking Grim Reaper with loads of Christian imagery.
I think the main difference is real Kira wouldn't have done something like broadcast big announcements on TV. It's like the difference between someone who makes silent donations to a cause and someone who publicizes it - sure they might both have the same thoughts about the situation and are doing the same thing but they are clearly quite different.
Quick note: misa is 19 here she’s not as dumb as you think 🫢
Misa is really clever, I misjudged her. Wild that she is 19 :D
Story of Gelous is really fk sad :( I cry everytime
rem is a girl btw hehe
So, a justice* system uses typifications to better punish and justify the crimes since the level of evil of every person it's different and better yet, the intentions are different too, so let's take 3 guys, a rapist, a wife beater and a serial killer. Those 3 have the same things in common: They all hate women, they're all violent, they are all self serving and etc. Their goals are kinda the same: Hurting women to feel better, but one beats his wife to put the rage down, the other one rapes women to get pleasure and the third one kidnap, beats, rapes and then kill women. Their intentions and methods are all different. Kira is lawful evil, period. His definitions of law and order are different than the other people, but it's still there and if he starts kidnapping tv channels, killing policemen that are trying to stop that tape and etc, then he is just a common criminal. Killing a cop that is closer to get to him is a necessary evil for a greater good, but all the others are another typification of character, another method and a whole completely thought train than he has, so it got to be someone else. Otherwise Kira would just make the whole police department hostage and kill one every hour until he gets L, but that's the opposite of what he's trying to do. He needs the police to keep the lesser criminals in check and etc.
I think you might have to adjust your view of Kira 2, yes the plan caused a lot of chaos and she had people kidnapped basically. But it was also a very risky show off-like plan, which wasn't thought through all the way
The final scene of this episode where they happen to be in the same place wasn't in the manga, this was a random little scene inserted into the anime and doesn't really make much sense to be canon considering context from later, I don't know that they thought too hard about it but the original author at least had nothing to do with that scene being there
Did you see the series "Lie to me" ? I think you'd love it, as it is based on science. 😇
Yeah, it is one of my favourite tv shows, favourite one of its kind with the mentalist =)
@@storieswithstyle did you read Mr. Ekmans response to each episode going into what is truth & fiction & Hollywood 🙂👍👍
yeah, the series made me read his bok as well =)
I’m not religious but I’m fairly sure Virgin Mary with a heart is a common Catholic depiction in line with their beliefs
Yes, but she clearly is warping thoise beliefs. :D does not need to be satanic, but might also be zealous in general.
@@storieswithstyle my bad, I misunderstood and thought you were referring to the specific imagery of Mary+Heart as gothic
I'm gonna push back a bit on the consensus topic:
It is 100% true that having someone agree with you should not be the *basis* of your argument; you are not 1% more correct because someone else agrees. However, and you know this, it does bolster your confidence in your theory. This is exactly what we do in science: independently coming to the same conclusion to try to discredit it and only allowing our confidence to grow when we fail to do so.
If we were concerned with absolute truths, we should be doing philosophy and mathematics. Both real life science and, in this show, solving crimes are about PRACTICAL reasoning. What does it matter if the reasoning is suspect if it pushes the investigation forward? What does it matter that Newton is wrong about mechanics if you can use it to build rollercoasters and trains and airplanes. We're not seeking knowledge for knowledge's sake here; we're trying to catch a guy. EVERYTHING up to this point has been conjecture built upon conjecture. A majority of L's reasoning bases entirely on the foundation of his psychological profile of Kira, which is literally no more than pure guesswork. It's informed guesswork, but it's not the same standard as a modus ponens syllogism.
There has never been absolute truth in this show. Even the existence of Kira can turn out to be a really freaky series of coincidence.
Well, there is objetive truth inscience, but not science itself, it is maths, I would say. But how to interpret that alone is up for debate. There is really a lot less consensus about the latter than people know. I have spent so many hours in rooms with people agreeing on maths of quantum theory and going haywire about their interpreataions. If you give textbook definitions to experts, they will a ttack 90% of them (a collegueof mine did that last week and he caused half a war). The only things that I would say are "consensus" in science are theories. The rest is a lot less consensus as is commonly thought. It is more finding where people agree to disagree and where they only agree, but that is really also different from people to people :D
@@storieswithstyleand I think that's how it should be. But that doesn't mean that engineers or even laypeople don't feel more emboldened by findings that have been extensively reproduced than by those without that privilege, all the more so if we stray away from the firm footings of physics and delve deeper into mechanisms we don't have a strong mathematical model for (e.g. the human body, mind, or collective, etc.)
I do agree that it's a dangerous mindset. For example, we shouldn't believe in climate change because practically all the climate scientists do; we should form that belief by examining the overwhelming evidence they present. But at the end of the day, neither you nor I will take a de-aging drug that one guy said passed his hypothesis testing.
Yes, we should try to not let anyone sell us air, but even that is hard as one does not even have the time to read up on a tenth of topics where that applies :(
Epic hairline bro
Regarding consensus, I think many people reaching the same conclusion *independently* carries weight. The value of consensus only evaporates when the conclusions of others have the potential to influence subsequent opinions.
It’s crazy how bro thinks was she did early was super smart and she’s a intelligent character 🤦♂️
12:30 She's wearing CD-PD because they didn't have licensing rights to have a character wear an AC-DC shirt.
"Oh God please, don't make her dumb! Noooo" ahahahaha too late for that, my friend!
I read that, in an interview, the author said that the main reason she introduced Misa Misa in the story was "To don't make the average reader/viewer (depending on if you're reading the manga or watching the anime) feel too dumb, in comparison with Light and L" AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
I suppose the 'God of stories and luck' would be the author no? 😂
When the fake Kira said about 'Shinigami' things,
L would immediately think of the Light's word
'L, do You know? a Shinigami only eats apples.' at that moment and must have been perfectly sure.
oh, stupid Light again. because of his cheap arrogance, he walked himself into his coffin.
It doesn't have to be that complicated imo. Light has already explained his worldview and this is what L is extrapolating form. We saw that L already understood the level of megalomania and hubris within Kira, so much so that they think that they EMBODY Justice. Therefore anyone doing evil deeds as well as going against him are both targeting "justice" in his eyes.
That's why somebody who doesn't oppose "justice" being killed immediately made it suspect
How i see it, Light is trying to achieve control by fear, and he kinda understands how control works. You can't get control just by showing power (it will simply lead to revolt), with power you should also establish some rules, that should be simple. Light had rules: 1) i'll kill you if you criminal, 2) i'll kill you if you stand against me. Second Kira showed by killing just some tv presenter that there are no rules, just power (what is the last thing those in control want people to know). That's why L calls second Kira not so bright.
sorry my english bad
You seem to struggle a bit with the line "this isnt Kiras MO because kira only killed criminals and people who went after him" lol, purse snatcher while a minor criminal is still a criminal and lind l taylor even though it was a ruse said he was going after kira so hes a part of the second stipulation of "people going after kira" so the reasoning is still sound. Naomi was innocent but she also fell into the "going after kira" part as well
I would argue lindt was because of badmouthing. The second kira was actuallly through killing pattern, they just cut that info apparently:D but yeah, thqt could be the reasoning as well.