Why Graves Turned on General Shepard..
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On today's video we are talking about the Commander Graves in modern warfare.
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The campaign, a direct sequel to the record-breaking Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II, sees Captain Price and Task Force 141 face off against ultranationalist war criminal Vladimir Makarov as he extends his grasp across the world.
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On the surface level, I see it as Graves as a contractor, keeping and maintaining a reputable and credible image of Shadow Company for any future clients as a PMC. Mind you Graves simply just wanted TF-141 and Los Vaqueros to stand down and walk away because he genuinely didn't want to hurt them and he was simply following orders. Graves didn't merely turn on Shepherd to save his own ass, but he felt betrayed after being loyal and keeping his side of his services to Shepherd.
What’s crazy here is how Graves looks like Erik Prince in his senate hearing. For those who don’t know Prince is he is the guy who made Blackwater the PMC to inspired the creation of Shadow Company.
To be fair most Bad guys PMC’s in other games are also based off of Blackwater PMC but because of the controversies fhey’ve had, they rebrand a lot
@@rydn_x I miss the OG Shadow Company from Modern Warfare 2. When listening to their radio chatter they sounded downright evil which made them cool as fuck.
That's hilarious they actually made him look just like the guy similar tie and all, very good eye
@@rydn_x they rebranded alot because of stupid media reports and dumbass politicians screwing them over.
I think Graves started his redemption same as Alex, because he was tired of being told who is blue, who is red by the man that pays him. Now, having proper finances he puts his men and allies way above money.
Graves and Shadow Company should have a Redemption arc
Hard to do that when they murdered countless people in Los Almas
@@garmenlin5990 that was just lazy writing
Why tho ? They are literal monsters who care little about others but themselves how can you give them a redemption arc when Graves tried killing soap with a remote controlled tank and when his entire team killed many people in Los Almas with no hesitation he’s a snake and that’s how he should be portrayed it kinda fits him more tbh
I hate how general shepherds death was handled
It should have been a mission
Facts especially considering how easily they let makarov get away we shoudlve gotten at least 1 more mission where we either hunt down makarov in the tunnels after he killed soap or a little epilogue mission where we play as price and go after shepherd
Most likely Shepard was killed in such a manner as it will be pinned as a suicide. I can see Laswell covering Price's ass. And it was the best way to handle it. Shepard was a disgraced general who just lost a private army. If Price didn't kill him Shadow Company most certainly would have. And the main reason he killed the way he was is because Price took Makarov's advice...
@@shaunlennon8235 still, should have been a mission
like the kgb mission in black ops cold war
I think that graves is in the gray he wants to keep his reputation and name protected but also protect his men from being scrutinized, and he does want to make amends even with the cocky attitude he sports, he genuinely wants to help Farah and Alex and could’ve just sent in his men instead he works with them in person and on coms, showing he’s genuine in his work to help them
PMCs in a general sense are in a grey area tbh
Need a mission in mw4 where we play as graves with handful of friendly faces and shadows trying to stop a terror attack by Makarov
I like to think Graves exposed Shepherd as he remembered the guys he lost during the missile delivery all because Shepherd didn't wanna take an L on the book
He turned on him because Shepard did it first not because he lost many soldier from Shepard’s orders
The big issue itls the writing. Graves is possibly as close to a true neutral you can get in this series, he's a merc, you pay him to do a job and that's it, it's not personal to him, valeria calls him out on it, he states it's his job to soap, and while it might be put on, he trys to show it wasn't personal to gaz. A better written story for graves would be, graves starts shadow company and the company isn't going as well as graves would like, gets a contract to take out zakaev in verdansk, graves puts what funding he has left into the job, but since price is the one to make the kill, shadow fails the contract. Shadow company is near bankruptcy, operators leave (sparks and roze), shepherd hires shadow to aid him moving missiles etc. Graves doesn't like this as shadow is turned into "errand boys with tac vests", then shepherd attaches shadow to 141. Graves in turn, is loving this, shadow company is now a teir 1 private fighting force, plus he gets to work along side the best in the world, graves dreams of what shadow company should be, have finally come true. Yet graves is still subservient to shepherd, as without his funding, shadow would be nothing, ad this to the missile incident and graves is biding his time to ditch shepherd, possibly by working with lazwell and cia funding. Mw2 plays out the same way as it did. I agree with shepherd not really wanting to cause harm to 141 or msf, yes graves raised his weapon to soap, but that's after vargas attacked him, aslo note, graves never orders shadow to attack, a trigger happy shadow operator fires on soap. What are we left with, soap is injured, ghost is hunting and several shadows are dead, graves is likely thinking a line has been crossed and falls back on the only thing he can, follow orders from his employer. Would explain graves switch from joyous to serious when talking to soap in mw3, trys to make a joke out of it, no hard feelings etc, soaps immediately aggressive, graves retort is a way of stating if you did what i asked, things would be better. Would like to see graves in mw4 working under laswell, 141 wouldn't trust him, but graves wants a place at the table to get payback on makarov for soap, in much a similar fashion to og mw3 with price and yuri, price doesn't trust yuri, but realises they need to work together towards a common goal, kill makarov
I ain’t reading allat
This sounds good and I agree with you hope in MW4 more missions with shadow and graves and also they should bring Navy Seals, Delta Force Sandman and the team and also the army rangers again full out WW3 is what MW4 should be
General Shepherd wasn’t in that office 😏
General barkov was not in that helicopter 😏
@@hassamitoHassan wasn’t in that building
I wasn’t in this comment section
He was their we literally see his dead corps lying on the table
@@Theirishguy61 it's sarcastic bro
And he’s right to turn on Shepherd after having to cover up an operation that got his mercenaries killed. It’s like he treated his shadows like friends and family. Graves despite Shepherd for that reason and for that order.
Even his coworkers he has some level of respect and care for. One of my favorite scenes of Graves in the MW2 reboot was when he was in the AC-130 and giving the order to his Shadows to treat Task Force 141 and Los Vaqueros as brothers
@@Wolf-wc1jsyeah treat them as brothers after we find the second missile because after that we treat them like dogs and murder their people with no hesitation yes this is the guy I totally trust 🤡
Graves only had to fight them was for his company to have a good name and reputation for future clients
if you look mainly graves did not want to betray 141 as-well as in the mission dark water graves gave soap a bro hug that was genuine
Shepherd is the biggest snake in call of duty.
Still doesn’t change the fact that Graves is also snake who kills innocent people with no hesitation and still want to cover himself and his corrupted army
I feel like graves is a good guy following orders . I dont think he would have attacked 141 and Los vaques if Shepard never told him to.
The entire missile plotline was Shepherd and Gravea trying to save their own asses. Graves is a smart man and would know that if the missile shipment went public, Shepherd would immediately throw Shadow Company under the bus.
These two definitely didn't trust the other.
A couple details that stick out to me are Graves moving to restrain Alejandro instead of killing him at the gate, and the intentional non-lethal shot he took on Soap thereafter.
However, later in the mission, Shadows are definitely trying to kill 141 and Graves even says, “Kill him!” Over the radio toward the end of the mission. I guess you could counterpoint that Graves didn’t know it was Soap explicitly in that moment, but still.
Could go either way for Graves to be able to say he didn’t react with lethal force toward 141 until he was engaged first.
I like the fact that Graves genuinely cares for his men and when the blue on blue happened and more of his men were killed, i believe that graves had enough of shepherds shenanigans and operations that cost to much manpower.
Graves betrayal kinda reminds me of OG general shepherds betrayal, how he wanted to help his men but couldn’t then gets shit thrown at him
Because he's sigma
"whit out the stars and uniform you look like frozen shit general"
“I lost 30,000 men in the blink of an eye and the whole world just fucking watched”
- General Shepherd
Thanks to valeria hating graves and threatening to end his career by telling them what he did in Los almos, him and valeria made a deal to tone down the defense on the prison then the court found out and graves made the shocking decision to blame it on Shepard
Before I watch * I think graves cares for his showdowns and I think he will be the new shepherd in this universe and could try to redeem that
6:25 the more I researched Graves the more I figure out the context of this scene for instance graves turns off his radio so that shepherd couldn’t hear the conversation and that’s also why he ditches his helmet Shepherd had Graves on a leash for many of the cutscenes but in that conversation he was the most honest he’s ever been
I think Shepard was about to tender his resignation because he knew he was cooked, regardless of how the hearing would have panned out. Also, how would Shepherd's death affect the whole TF141/Makarov storyline moving forward?
Regarding Graves, I think that he may have a greater role moving forward, probably working alongside TF141 - even though the whole betrayal at Las Almas leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
Im glad graves' contract with sheperd ended after the trial...now Graves can work with other clients and have a bit of a cleaner reputation and business dealings...plus, if Graves didnt betray sheperd, shadow company would probably be blamed for all the disastrous missions that sheperd ordered and they would end up blacklisted by the U.S government...in the real world, PMCs are the ones who take the blame for all the things happening with their missions given to them by their clients, and what graves did was good for him and his company...but it breaches the business ethics...which is revealing the client's businesses and involvement, as well as the client's identity being involved
I feel like the whole “Graves is a rat” narrative was so forced, because he really isn’t, he’s just doing what he has to to stay afloat, and continue helping the military cut the red tape on missions. I honestly don’t know who could hate him.
2:57 he also saved the ulf and the warzone of 2022 he turned around and truly tried to make things right
The idea of Graves is that he’s a man who’s doing his job we as people are supposed to see as any part of the spectrum of good and evil he’s the uncomfortable middle that we don’t like to talk about.
The way they handled Shepherd's death was just horrible and I like Graves he is one of the characters I like in the rebooted call of duty and I hope they don't just kill him off like Shepherd
I love these videos. Keep it up.
Thank you!
Graves should've been the one to kill Shepherd. That would have been a much better cliffhanger.
You personally made this video for me thank you 🙏🏾
My thing is this how on earth did Sheppard get killed in the pentagon I thought it was supposed to be the most impenetrable most secure place on earth there is supposed to be loads of security,not to mention we say how secure the pentagon was in black ops 1
I don't think it was the Pentagon, and maybe more of a... private office, plus even if it were, laswell have helped him get in
In the next game, they should have a mission where Graves goes to kill Shepard. But as soon as him and Shadow Company get there, they find his corpse.
Shepard(hallucination): It seems that reports of my survival have been greatly exaggerated.
Graves: This is impossible...
His teammates on bg: Sir? Who are you talkin' to?
I hate how shepherd died price and 141 just seem so pissy about an order to kill them that we the viewer only ever hear about. We get a whole ass flashback all the time but all of a sudden the general wants 141 dead? For tryna find the missiles he sent them to find? Missiles that he was trying to ship to farah? A known ally of tf141?!?!? It makes no sense that he wouldn't trust them to keep a secret about a "crime" he and farah and even laswell know damn well was justified. The dude gets caught in mw3 not tryna go after 141, but makarov. A real villian. Probably tryna fix his one and only mistake.
Be real here air support would have blown his cover and the shadows or at least graves know that mission was off the books, it was a risk he should have assessed and accepted.
But to my soul I believe graves is a good guy idt they would put him in warzone and not make him a redemption character and yea shepherd did do graves dirty as well he didn’t help shawdow company when they being attacked
I feel that Graves turned on Shepherd not just for his personal reasons like you suggested, although I do think that was involved, but I also believe that he was covering Shadow Company's back as I'm pretty sure that if he admitted that he and Shadow Company did act on those orders, it wouldn't have just been him going down for that and would have likely involved everyone involved in the mission to Mexico and for all we know, could be the majority of Shadow Company and could have led to everyone involved going to prison or some other kind of punishment, likely affecting Shadow Company's structure and lower their numbers significantly and potentially cause them to go out of business.
And so he lied and said that he didn't act on those orders, proving his loyalty to his men, who he fights side by side with, unlike Shepherd.
You ask me it didn't reallly make sense for Price to be the one to kill Shepherd. Should have been Graves
They better Ret-con the Shepard death. it shouldnt have been a post credit scene
And again my b to comment so much but I do believe graves and shadow company needs there moment to shine and show there not the real threat and the fact that graves isn’t getting love in skins or battlebass bundles makes me as a fan mad because as a fan favorite he does deserve more love and respect
They better not kill graves
off in MW4 or I’m quitting cod
Hello, I’ve been watching some of ur videos and I’m wondering when are u gonna make a rewrite of MWIII campaign continuing the story of ur Rewrote version of MWII.
@@mohdall2114 it is in the works right now by Sean the writer of that story!
2:30 I don’t think graves is a rat he was following orders and he didn’t kill tsk 141 he reall could have and like you said In other vids after that happened he still called ghost a brother I think ghost and graves have a history and probably worked together a lot threw general shepherd so it wouldn’t surprise me when ghost did attack he did so outta of I won’t attack graves just his men cuz why wouldn’t ghost kill graves right there even if I’m that scene he was protecting soap
Imagine COD4 , Shadow vs Konni
Serves shepherd right free my shadow brethrens WE WILL REMAIN ON TOP OF ALL PMC CAN I GET A YUP-YUP
The more these games go on the more I dislike 141 and the rest at least I could understand Shadow Company's motivation and it to get paid. WhAt yOu cAlL cLaSiFiEd I CaLL SeCrEtS. off lady.
i am a graves hater, he had no need to do what he did in MW2, its never sat right w me since i played, however, i hate general shepherd more, tbh i feel like this video really changed my perspective, in a way he "turned" on everyone for a greater good
@@Bluer0binn I'm glad you enjoyed the video I hate Shepard to tbh
MWIII is so bad that it doesn't matter.
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