hey bro, cool video and good tier list. I'm a jin main and there is no question he is busted, but I personally don't see jin above yoshi / drag at all. His D2, hellsweep and even db4 if ur a real maniac are reactable, i have matches where i can't use D2 and hellsweep at all, for example against a good kazuya with his 13f punish. i know his neutral plays itself and he has good heat engagers and stuff, ws2 13 frame and so on, but there is no way he is better than drag / yoshi, they're fundamentally broken I'm also not a guy to play this game with f4 and 2,1,4 only, it is possible to play like that with jin and if u think he's better because of that, u might aswell be right, they need to fix that shit
@inyafaze keep in mind this list is based on a ft2 format if it were longer sets jin would behind yoshi and drag his helsweep isn't reactable it's more a predictable timing if it's being blocked alot in a set aside jins parry allowing him to make safe strings unsafe is amazing I should of gone more in depth about jin to be honest, honestly if jin did get substantial nerfs Kazuya would eclipse him
This list is so based outside of 4 placements. No shot that Kazuya is that high. Law and Claudio are severely underrated, especially Claudio. And Lili is not in the same tier as Leroy lol move that lady up.
I can't place Lili any higher she is great but not as strong as what people make her out to be and Kazuya is that high thanks to recent changes and the heat system compliments him more then all other characters outside of the top row since being able to force a 50/50 sequence off a heat engaguer is a big deal on a vortex character like Kazuya and getting access to a safe panic option in heat helps him alot
I like the Tier list you made it seems fair. I think Alisa, Claudio, Lili and Law could take Steve's spot. Steve doesn't have a low punch game, and one of them is a sure why to get launched if you don't cancel.
@dewsum Steve's whole move list actually complements his low game as I explained in the vid Steve strong tracking and ch moves control the pace of the match at all times, Claudio his lows are horrible aside from side step 4 and dB 43 gives no frame advantage, Lili is great but overplayed she has great pokes decent punishment but her tracking is awful Alisa while being amazing is more reliant on being in heat and chainsaw Alisa outside of that is just okay this list factors in ft2 ft3 playstyles and how strong characters are outside of heat/with heat which is why I have Lee so high be a he is always strong in base despite not having anything different in heat which is why Ash placed him at the bottom I should have gone more in depth about Claudio but I didn't want this video being 2 hours long which is how long the original was
@priincelegiit much respect, I've learned alot from your videos. I was giving my own experience, cause I played Steve for a while and kept getting launched. Lol maybe in the future could you show some Steve gameplay 💯💯
Yes don't fall for the tekken content creators downplaying these characters Kazuya is very strong even with df4 being his fastest 13 frame mid poke he gets so much utility out of heat to better implement his opponent to geuss and Steve dictates the pace of the match by shutting down the opponents ability to side step him while playing a strong "when can I swing against him playstyle" please watch and listen to what I say in the video there is too many people in the tekken community downplaying characters they main/play even pros like Joka Downplays Feng all the time don't fall for it which is why Bryan turned into a meme because of the gaslighting in are community the Bryan = hardest character in the game meme is an example
@ильяматвей-л1э not at all the character is where he belongs still a strong character with 50/50s a 14 frame launching Knee a 13 frame launcher in heat, good homing moves on top of less risky 50/50s in heat with death fist being minus 13 in heat and minus 13 low heat smash making him scary with an opponents back facing a stage hazard decent crushing potential/evasion mixed with good damage output decent power crush keep in mind this tier list on high level players optimizing these characters in a ft2 -ft3 set most Paul players arnt even aware of his 14 frame launcher or playing super optimal with the character I take all of this to account his punishment is strong all around Paul is very solid just underrated and under represented because the characters above him are on a different level
hey bro, cool video and good tier list. I'm a jin main and there is no question he is busted, but I personally don't see jin above yoshi / drag at all. His D2, hellsweep and even db4 if ur a real maniac are reactable, i have matches where i can't use D2 and hellsweep at all, for example against a good kazuya with his 13f punish. i know his neutral plays itself and he has good heat engagers and stuff, ws2 13 frame and so on, but there is no way he is better than drag / yoshi, they're fundamentally broken
I'm also not a guy to play this game with f4 and 2,1,4 only, it is possible to play like that with jin and if u think he's better because of that, u might aswell be right, they need to fix that shit
@inyafaze keep in mind this list is based on a ft2 format if it were longer sets jin would behind yoshi and drag his helsweep isn't reactable it's more a predictable timing if it's being blocked alot in a set aside jins parry allowing him to make safe strings unsafe is amazing I should of gone more in depth about jin to be honest, honestly if jin did get substantial nerfs Kazuya would eclipse him
This list is so based outside of 4 placements. No shot that Kazuya is that high. Law and Claudio are severely underrated, especially Claudio. And Lili is not in the same tier as Leroy lol move that lady up.
I can't place Lili any higher she is great but not as strong as what people make her out to be and Kazuya is that high thanks to recent changes and the heat system compliments him more then all other characters outside of the top row since being able to force a 50/50 sequence off a heat engaguer is a big deal on a vortex character like Kazuya and getting access to a safe panic option in heat helps him alot
I like the Tier list you made it seems fair. I think Alisa, Claudio, Lili and Law could take Steve's spot. Steve doesn't have a low punch game, and one of them is a sure why to get launched if you don't cancel.
@dewsum Steve's whole move list actually complements his low game as I explained in the vid Steve strong tracking and ch moves control the pace of the match at all times, Claudio his lows are horrible aside from side step 4 and dB 43 gives no frame advantage, Lili is great but overplayed she has great pokes decent punishment but her tracking is awful Alisa while being amazing is more reliant on being in heat and chainsaw Alisa outside of that is just okay this list factors in ft2 ft3 playstyles and how strong characters are outside of heat/with heat which is why I have Lee so high be a he is always strong in base despite not having anything different in heat which is why Ash placed him at the bottom I should have gone more in depth about Claudio but I didn't want this video being 2 hours long which is how long the original was
@priincelegiit much respect, I've learned alot from your videos. I was giving my own experience, cause I played Steve for a while and kept getting launched. Lol maybe in the future could you show some Steve gameplay 💯💯
@dewsum most definitely will Steve is in the card for a future Tekken video once I have time off work to do so appreciate the feedback! 👍
Steve and kazuya that high? Wtf bro
Don’t be fooled 💀💀
Yes don't fall for the tekken content creators downplaying these characters Kazuya is very strong even with df4 being his fastest 13 frame mid poke he gets so much utility out of heat to better implement his opponent to geuss and Steve dictates the pace of the match by shutting down the opponents ability to side step him while playing a strong "when can I swing against him playstyle" please watch and listen to what I say in the video there is too many people in the tekken community downplaying characters they main/play even pros like Joka Downplays Feng all the time don't fall for it which is why Bryan turned into a meme because of the gaslighting in are community the Bryan = hardest character in the game meme is an example
Paul is too high
@ильяматвей-л1э not at all the character is where he belongs still a strong character with 50/50s a 14 frame launching Knee a 13 frame launcher in heat, good homing moves on top of less risky 50/50s in heat with death fist being minus 13 in heat and minus 13 low heat smash making him scary with an opponents back facing a stage hazard decent crushing potential/evasion mixed with good damage output decent power crush keep in mind this tier list on high level players optimizing these characters in a ft2 -ft3 set most Paul players arnt even aware of his 14 frame launcher or playing super optimal with the character I take all of this to account his punishment is strong all around Paul is very solid just underrated and under represented because the characters above him are on a different level