Another trick you can do if the agent chucks on a "non-negotiable" release clause in contract talks with a key player. Exit talks and assign your DoF to negotiate the contract. Skip forward one day and go and re-negotiate the contract. The release clause will now be removable so you can get rid of it and exclude it from negotiations. You will likely have to up the wages a bit but it keeps your wonder kids safe from being poached without you being able to stop it.
To add to this: you can exit contract talks, wait a few days in game, then press "resolve contract talks" with agent. You will get a few interaction choices; theres a choice there where you tell the agent he was too inflexible (or something to that effect) in the last negotiation. If the agent agrees, which ive never experienced they dont, you can remove the release clause and negotiate the salary yourself
Oh... until now I have just refused to sign anyone with a ridiculous low release clause. I've always found enough Wonderkids to offset that :D I love watching South American teenage boys.... wait a minute.... this is still about Football Manager!
I've had to set artifically low asking prices to avoid release clauses being triggered in my build a nation Gibraltar save - the league rep being so low initially made my player values way lower than they should have been. After a while I ended up selling players with 50% sell on clauses after the rep increased to a viable level... Now 2042/43 and finally values in line with the club rep as league is 9th in europe. Champs league semi final is the best finish and Gibraltar to Euros Group stages. Getting there....!
The Asking Price trick you mention... I've used it for players who want to leave, but they give a value that I find insufficient when negotiating an Asking Price. Say, if a 20M-worth player only accepts leaving for 15M, I put the Asking Price at 14M so he will never be mad for me rejecting an offer.
These kind of things can feel a bit “gamey” but I would consider doing any and all of them if it felt right…or if I just simply refuse to lose my #1 guy after 10 years of a save I’ve worked hard on! 😂
Gamey, well yeah Well we don't have the option the real clubs have: Telling someone that their offer is abysmally bad and that you won't even consider at all (refusing to take negotiations with clubs that do not change their offer) and we can't really talk to the guy themselves. It gamey because the game lacks extreme parts of social negotiations. If we take into consideration what real life football clubs do, I don't feel that's bab at all. One cheesey tactic I have to make plays stick to me in a contract extension is to offer negotiations with a contract starting next season - but somewhere in August already (so you need to be sure who's gonna be at least helpful next season). It basically stops the game from even thinking of said player as available (even tho you can offer them out and they can sign a new contract with then just voids the new one for next season) and subsequently show no interest whatsoever. But I kinda have that from real life. I also wish for the option to tell a guy that his demands are ridiculous and that I will not entertain any further discussions without him coming back down to earth. You can only say he wants too much when others are complaining to you, because the player is complaining to them because he didn't get a 800% pay rise (like literally) after being in the club for 3 days, not having a X11 spot.
FM12 I had a Chelsea save with a few fantastic newgen players, Brazilian striker Wellington became Chelsea's all time leading scoreer, had a great German MC named Gerg Goldschmidt that scored on his debut at 15 and was a regular starter by 18 but of them all my favorite was Welsh AMR Rob Challinor who was a goal creation machine. Won the Balon d'Or. Loved that kid, I would never sell him if I could help it. I would game the system if it came to it.
I want to start this comment by saying, im a fan of Zealand and ive loved watching the Tauton save. That being said, this whole situation has left a sour taste in my mouth. I completely agree that Z can play the game however he wants, but part of the reason I watch a save like this, is cause I like the part which is watching a club come from nothing to something. Part of that experience is sadly having these big clubs come in and take those players we absolutely love. But the fun of it is how you find the next Bulow and Kiss, instead of just saying that they are irreplaceable. I think we what gets me the most about this strategy is that the only reason you got the players to sign these contracts was the acceptance of a release clause. You yourself know that release clauses "add value" to the contract that they are signing, which is why you use things like relegation release clauses to bring down salary. I feel like that should influence how you kind of perceive these things. I feel like not honouring the release clause has the same energy as just going into the editor and just removing it. Or if you do not want to have a release clause, make it a non negotiable in the contract, but as stated earlier, those players would not have signed in the first place and you wouldnt have got their services and made huge profits from them. At the end of the day, you are right to say that its a game how you can play however you want. But if you dont want to honour contracts, you might as well just remove them in the editor. Or if you dont want to lose out on players to higher reputation teams, play as Man City. At the end of the day, im still going to watch the videos and support the peacocks, but i think you should also consider that as the fans, we want to watch you overcome these hard challenges and show how your expertise can do so. No hate being sent your way or such, but i know its been a talking point and wanted to state my opinion 👍
i understand this, but I think considering the circumstances of last year’s FAC save, where no real progress was able to be made once Z had reached a certain point, it makes sense to not want to get rid of your world class players, and doing everything you can to stop that. If that’s how he wants to play, considering the save only last ~10 months too, let him. It doesn’t take away from the success, just that it merely messes around with a broken part of FM’s mechanics
I understand your point but i feel like the main problem lies with player interaction. The player wants to move to Manchester United for champions league however you yourself are also able to easily qualify for the champions league in the current season. I feel like being able to promise qualification to a competition is a must add feature to improve player interaction and until then i feel like these types of tricks are justified. Your player leaving you to play for a slightly worse team who aren't in champions league just because that team has a higher reputation seems more unrealistic. Imagine if salah, after going to the champions league final in 2017 decides to go to chelsea just because they had a higher reputation at the time. It would have been very stupid
I agree fully makes the series worse. Every contract negotiation he also adds the relegation clause to 0 yet we all know they will never get relegated but the players think they could easily due to reputation etc.
I understand that thsse seem gamey... but you also have to remember that sometimes players choose to leave you or sign for other teams for 10% of the wage you offered and for less playing time at a side in a lower reputation league that aren't in Europe... because football manager. The sooner they get something like chat gpt in the game the better.
I knew both of these, and I have used them before when it came to my absolute, absolute top players, but it's not something I'd recommend doing on a regular basis. If you wanna do one, I'd choose the second because there's still a chance to fail so it's not outright, foolproof cheating. But like Z said, what I really would like are more options for the dialogue. In many cases, not just transfers. For example, I'm playing a custom database with an european league pyramid. My team is in the third tier and won the cup last season, meaning I'm playing Europa League now despite being in 3rd tier. Naturally, some of the more ambitious players want to leave because they want to join a club to play in the Champions League. I'd like to have dialogue options to point to recent success (won the cup, back to back promotions and sitting in a promotion spot again, quarter finals of the Europa League with a good chance of winning) or to the status quo and likely implications - telling him that if we win the Europa League, we too will play in the Champions League, and asking him to wait until then before making a decision on wanting to leave. Or to talk about specifically not wanting to sell to certain clubs. As for other game-breaking exploits, I think by far the worst one this year is the future fee glitch for loans, because it often allows you to get players for like 10% of their actual value (sometimes even less, sometimes more). It's madness that most clubs will just accept an offer of a 1 month loan (if possible), a monthly fee of 5m for a player worth 30-60m with a mandatory Future Fee clause of like 1k. That one really needs to get fixed, because you can essentially stack just about any clubs with the highest quality players that are willing to join so cheaply. Absolutely never use this imo.
I think it's fine to strike a balance like this. What's important is that someone on a RUclips channel is open and honest about it so that people can choose if they want to watch. What you don't want is someone reloading in the background and pretending they aren't.
The Release Clause-Asking Price trick also works for the "Sell Player" promises. Agree to a value, then set an Asking Price lower than the agreed value, and they will never get mad because you rejected the offer since, after all, no team offered the amount you agreed with him. Let's just hope they drop the promise and not extend it, though... This is around the same level as the "giving International Games Wage Increase clause when you know the player won't play internationally" trick.
I love football manager and as an ex programmer I fully appreciate what a terrific job they’ve done making it as realistic as possible. However it does still have some bugs in it that drive me mad. Where it’s a clear that’s never going to happen scenario I have no issues opening up the editor and fixing it. Or even just changing it for things I prefer. One of my simple favourites is having 12 subs.
The first thing I do in contract negotiations is lock in the rrlease clause at the maximum possible amount (581 million euro in FM 2020). I almost always also lock in a 3 year extension option unless the player will lilely be past his prime by the time the contract ends. The player (and/or his agent) will demand a significantly better contract but I just accept that as the cost of doing business. Sometimes their demands will become so high that it's just too much and negotiations will collapse, in which case I may try it again a few months later while locking in only a 2 year extension instead of 3. On a rare occasion (extremely good player, extremely good transfer deal, etc) I will accept only 1 year instead of 3. The 581 million euro release clause however is non-negotiable. I am willing to pay them a lot more (preferably in different types of bonuses) but if they don't want to sign such a contract or their demands become too crazy I don't sign them. This will cost more in the short term but you will maintain so much more control. You can sign a great 23 year old player for 5 + 3 years with no release clause and they will be at your mercy for 8 years. If they start whining about wanting to leave I tell them to f off. Eventually the other club will lose interest or my own club will have grown in stature enough for them to stop whining. If they start whining about a better contract I tell them they still have a long contract and will not get a new one. My favorite thing is when they hand in a transfer request and instead of accepting it I immediately activate the 3 year contract extension instead. In my current game I signed a very talented young goalkeeper and had to offer him 2 million euro per year (much more than he initially asked for) to agree to the 581 million release clause and optional 3 year contract extension. A few years later he had improved enough to become my first choice and shortly after that he developed into a world class goalkeeper. I was able to extend his contract and keep the best in the world around for that same 2 million euro a year while my.main competitors were paying their best goalkeepers (who is inferior to mine) 10-15 million a year. Of course, I also never accept "match highest earner" clauses or yearly wage increases. Once you sign a player with a yearly increase you will never be able to get rid of it when you extend the contract. So even when you sign a young talent who is not costing much at all, they will often ask for 10% or even 15% or 20% yearly increase. I will exclude this from negotiations and just just offer them 50% more salary right away instead. Compound interest is a thing! And if they develop well and you have to give them a proper contract eventually (which will take a long time if you sign them.for 5+3 years) they will always demand at least the same % yearly increase so if you have committed to 15% of a tiny wage in the past you now have to keep that in and their new high salary will keep increasing like that every year. I like to offer big bonuses, especially for things that players are unlikely to achieve anyway - for example a striker who will be playing only 20-25.out of 38 league matches will get a very big bonus if he scores 30 goals and an enormous bonus if he becomes the league's top scorer. Either he doesn't become top scorer and it costs me nothing extra or he will perform so well that he outscores other strikers who play 35 matches in which case I am happy to pay up. Also very nice is using the "salary after X matches" for players who you already know will take a many years to get to X matches, especially if they don't expect this. Offering a much higher salary after 30 games for a temporary backup player who you already know will never play 30 games for you is great. I will also offer this player high bonuses for starting games, for scoring and (my favorite) for making the "team of the year" which will obviously never happen.
If you lock the release clause during negotiations, once they've agreed a deal but before you hit finalize you can keep upping the release clause to £300 million and they'll just keep accepting the contract.
these are totally understandable. I do wish there were better dialogue options. Unfortunately, we're not going to get true dialogue options until the GPT enabled version of the game comes out.
This is hilarious to me as someone who played the old Championship Managers in the mid 1990s as there was a similar trick. You’d get players who insisted on a having a big club release clause, all you would need to do is list the player for loan and no club would ever make a cash offer only a loan offer which you were free to reject.
One of these that feels fairly vital at times when building from the lower leagues is selling a player to a club with money with a % of profit or next sale included in the deal. Once that appears as a clause you can buy out, offer well above the asking price and then walk away. The clause usually reappears at an greatly inflated level.
i have tried a few trials on how teams bid your players using FM editor, and what i found is pretty interesting, and here it is : 1. Even if you have the best player in the world and you want to sell him by "offer player to clubs" and set an amount of fee, the difference between you get the highest bid possible and not getting any bid at all is very small, it's about 1M euros (the currency that i use). 2. If you are expecting big transfer money from big/rich club you have to offer him before the transfer windows open or very early, because clubs like Real Madrid are often sign their big players in early transfer window, and when they finished the transfer, even if they interested with your players they will offer small amount of money as they transfer budget have already depleted.
Great that you made a video about this. The dialogue options in the game are far too poor and sometimes the options or the result make absolutely no sence. While i don't use any ingame tricks like this, i do save the game before dialogues. This allows me to work around unrealistic dialogues, that would otherwise break the immersion for me. The conversations, aswell as the contract and transfer negations are the biggest frustrations in the game for me. All of these are supposed to simulate a dialogue with a real human being. Unfortunately they fail at this. Instead they feel like a mini game where you have to make an educated guess to gain a favorable result. While there is many other things i would like to see developed. This remains the only game breaking issue for me and is by far the number one thing i would like to see improved.
Situations like that with or without release clauses I just promise the player I will sell them if I get a bid of Xx million pounds, then set their value to 500 pounds and set it to auto reject all offers and move on with my save. Never had any issues with dynamics.
Tip: if a player wants release clause when you sign him, you can increase it after they accept. When they accept the offer, before you confirm, increase the release clause with a few million and offer it again. 90% chance they will accept. And you can keep doing this until you hit the max amount.
@@1991extreme I found out other thing that works. You enter contract negociations with a player (this works only if it's your player already) and if he requests min. release clause you end chat. Next day resolve with agent and choose the last option (that the demands were not ok) and when you try to negociate again you can exclude the min. release clause
That's exactly how I used to save my wonderkids when starting from the lowest level of England because the chairman was way too happy to let them go for a few mil...
Reputation is MASSIVELY important in FM and the latest version it seems to be harder to improve reputation than older versions. In my game I've taken a Conference North team (Darlington) to L1. We are in our 3rd season in L1 and pushing for the play offs. Yet our reputation is still Conference/Conference North standard, and much lower than Bury or Macclesfield who are cast adrift in none league.
I wonder how much your facilities impact the clubs reputation. The games always seem to struggle when you start out at a lower league team and achieve successive promotions.
@@martins4902 yeah I'm sure that facilitates impact reputation, but it would be nice to know by how much. So far I've spent millions to try to improve my facilities (I plan for it to be a long term, club development, save), but they are still bottom half of my league. But when there are teams like Birmingham City in my league, that's understandable.
Reputation building has been AWFUL as far back as the cm days and has never improved. I took Sandhausen, a 2nd division team in Germany and finished 6th, 8th, 3rd, 4th, 2nd in my first 5 seasons in the Bundesliga and still midtable clubs are intersted in my players. It makes zero sense that 10th placed Freiburg think they can get my starting keeper when I finished 2nd. It's ALL cause sigames are horrible at improving reputation of clubs that came from lower divisions. I've made it to the quarters in the CL but it's worth nothing as the club was in the 3rd tier 15 years ago. Illogical...
I did a couple of times the low asking price with my Livorno team while in Serie C in Italy. Now in Serie A, because of your video, I just saved my main creator because of the other tactic when he didn't go to Southampton after they triggered his release clause.... doesn't feel like cheating 🥰
With my current Leyton Orient save, ive got a few really good young players, due to a few years of buying wonderkids, and being able to play them... one of which was Endrik (not sure why but he actually chose me over Spurs), after my first year in EPL where i survived on final day of season. I've simply had to offer them new contracts... Endrik got 2 new contracts in 14 months ffs. But agents just wont allow me to get rid of minimum release clause. Thankfully all of them are playing well, and i've managed to get high release clauses on those that insisted upon them, so found that other teams never match it. Thankfully this nonsense coincided with my first season in Europe, and it was the CL, from 6th place in EPL, so that made it easier to offer them the new deals on lucrative money. Currently worth it and sustainable as due to so many good youngsters and end of contract deals, i only spent about 20m of my 80m transfer budget this season. But i'm sure this wont last. lol
A great example of “breaking the game so it’s more fun/realistic” is when I bought the in-game editor to remove the tycoon owner from the club I went to to rebuild them. I felt like I wanted a grind and the money would make it too easy.
A lot of this would be improved if the club rep had a more dynamic fluctuation. Whether this positive or negative, I think FM should increase this a bit. Since rep is such an important metric in how players react to transfers it should reflect the clubs trajectory (positively or negatively).
Thats the real issue. Not only is rep not dynamic enough as compared to real life, it creates wayyyy too many unrealistic scenarios with how SI implements it. Theres no league-wide rep changes, like what the PL went through in the 00s, you cant mimic Wrexham, old stars rarely are willing to play anywhere once they decline like Messi to Miami, and SI nerfed the hell out of the Chinese team offers so you dont get anything like the current Saudi offers. Doing lower-league runs has gotten more and more obnoxious over the last couple iterations.
I think the other problem with this (that I've noticed) is that reputation isn't dynamic at all; there's an annual update. So I win the Europa League...I don't seem to get "access" to more interested players until the news item hits about reputation changes at the start of pre-season. That's like 6 weeks I have to wait to start making bids for these players, while other teams can be snatching them up.
@@pwalmsley9 Yeah. Same for Champions League. If your team makes a fluke run past the knockouts, you dont get any benefit during the January transfer window. But, you did just show off your whole team to the PSGs of the world. The rep system is possibly the most poorly-implemented idea SI has.
I've been doing the first one since 2005 brother hahaha. Edit: now that I think about it, I'm deffo BETTER than my home team's last 20 managers because of the simulation experience I have with fm
In CM97/98 - I still play it😂. If you take a smaller club and have a player with a big club release clause. This clause is often the bain of any managers existence in the lower leagues. The way around it was it list the player for loan. Once you do that, the only bids you get is for loans which are easily refused.
A tip I've had success with for players that won't negotiate a new contract with you. Accept a transfer offer, go forward one day, talk to their agent and they'll normally be willing to negotiate a new contract, agree to a contract and then reject the offer.
Have you ever tried contract extension clause? When I manage Hong Kong Under 23s, the board always accept bid for my star players and I can't reject the bid. The only option to stop the conversation from the buying club and player is by triggering contract extension clause. I haven't try it on release clause yet, but I suspect it might work the same.
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I do get what everyone in thsi comment section is saying but you're leaving very important details out. Ngl, realeases in do exist and they are indeed respected irl but you got to remember that release clauses are not only for the buying team to decide. It also comes to the player intended to be signed if he leaves or not. Having said this, there are key points forcing Z to do this: 1. Having qualified for Europa and having such a great run in the league, the club's rep should have gone up, whicj didn't happen. As a real life example, look at Leao in Milan. The club has had greag seasons and he's a key player. Instead of moving, he decided to stay. So, Zealand should have the wigfle room to convince both Bulow and Kiss that he views them as essential for the season and convince them to wait. It might be an exploit and, fair enough, the grind is looking for players to develop but that comes at the cost of stagnating yojr progress and even worse, going backwards. Not all players which to leave their clubs, even if they have a release clause so each should not be mandatory for them to do so. Bulow is Geeman and he would much rather prefer Germany. His current team is finishing pretry well in standings and he could easily receive a better payment within said team. Why would he want to leave if not for Bayern?
one thing re: player unhappiness that has worked absolute wonders for me is the following: - offer comes in for a team leader, reject, he gets unhappy - tell him "you're such a great leader w0wee", he's happy - tell every subsequent unhappy player that said leader came to me with a similar issue it's worked about 80-90% of the time for me in my current save. it might even be worth offering out a team leader at the start of a window so you can do this, but that might be a bit bold lol
What I do is set their asking price lower than the release clause and have the response to be ‘reject all transfer offers’. Teams will only bid how much the asking price is and never more
If you pay attention closely when a player signs a deal they will show no interest in leaving and teams know not to make an offer cause the player has signed "new deal". This lasts for around 6 months. If you are quick you can offer a new contract before teams are interested and most of the time either remove release clause or raise it.
Not really, I had players that wanted to leave 1 month after the renewal because high rep. clubs came in for them. But since they were on new deals, refused all of them and they came back around after 2-3 months
I just won the Bundesliga twice in the last 3 years and won a championsleauge as Mainz. My reputation is 4th highest in the world and still my main striker wants to leave for Bayern cause they have a "better squad". Thanks for the advice on how to keep him because how often do you see Barcelona's Star player leave for Real Madrid it just makes absolutely no sense
Barca and Madrid are kind of a special case, because they have that long-standing competition where you're either with Barca or Real for life (there are a few exceptions, though). In Germany, transfers between Bayern and BVB are not that rare, but there's also this clear cut hierarchy with Bayern being no. 1 and BVB being second, but far behind, so in general, Bayern gets Dortmund's top players, and Dortmund gets those that didn't quite make it in Munich or are considered to old. So if in real life, Mainz did achieve that exact feat they did in your save, they would most probably be considered the new no. 2 in Germany, but there's no way anyone would really think them to be at Munich's level. And yes, every Mainz player would still want to go to Bayern, if they could.
@@Eluarelon You didnt read the comment. The player wants to leave for a "better squad". But Mainz in this case is the better squad. So it makes no sense for a player to want to leave Mainz for Bayern regardless of prestige, thats not the given reason. Its the equivalent of all of Man City leaving Man Utd because they "want to be on a better squad", and youre saying its okay because historically Man Utd has been marginally more prestigious. But thats not happening in real life and its not logical.
Well, this is new to me. I usually will let the player go if it is 100millions pounds offer and then partially invest the transfer to get under 20 million pounds wonderkid 😅
That and make an improvement to the reputation system. If in your save you won more champions than real Madrid or Barça, the rep score should 100% reflect it. Same with league titles. The game needs to be "gamed" because of shit like this
Hello, Zealand! I have a question for you - can you please give me the playlist with all the cool music you were using while streaming your Dorfs save?
More recently I’ve just let them go - always a cheaper player that may be able to fill the roll. As long as I have 1 or 2 stars that can get me to the champions league I’ll be okay.
I don't think that it's something I'd do myself, but I agree with everyone should do what makes the game fun for them. Now as a real-life fan of Borussia Dortmund I can attest that it sucks when young and talented players use your club as a stepping stone towards the big money, but I also understand that this possibility is why they come to us in the first place. There's no way we could have gotten players like Haaland, Bellingham or Sancho if not for them knowing that they can get actual game-time on a very high level with us and thereby develop to be directly used with the elite clubs. So losing talented players to higher-level clubs is the (unluckily) reality and I'm fine with the same happening in my simulation. Though with my newly started save with Kuopio PS (Finland), I'll probably not have to fear Real and City knocking on my door for the next few years anyways ;)
This option of setting the asking price below the agreed price youd sell the player at then rejecting all the lower than agreed prices has been in the game for at least 4-5 years. Its "gamey" BS that FM need to fix if they want to keep the game being realistic 😅
I was managing a team, fought of a bid for one of our best players from several clubs, told the unsettled player that he should cry to his mommy, because i aint interested. Or buy a psychiatrist, with the ridiculous wage he gets. And then the club sells him behind my back, without consulting me... I asked why ?... they said: "We are the board, resistance is futile..." I resign, because thats a deal breaker for me, the cub sells the player, and then later that season, they relegate... serves them right.
While I don't utilize gamey tactics myself, I completely understand. The unfortunate truth is that this is an imperfect simulation of being a football manager. No game can possibly simulate real life perfectly, so it's not a dig at SI. So I understand that, if you are trying to pretend you are a real manager, you might game the system a bit, to make up for unreality in the game. You simply can't program every single possible question and response, as they are literally infinite. That said, I don't play FM as though I'm a real manager. I play it like a game. So the unreality is irrelevant. This means I have no leg to stand on, when it comes to justifying gaming the system. I've never been a fan of utilizing exploits in games. For me, it makes the game less fun. So I do what I can to keep the Bulow's and Kiss's of my save, but bid them a sad farewell if they opt to leave. Egg
Won the UCL as massive underdogs with N.E.C beating city in the final. They then stole my two world class players who I couldn't budge release clauses for, did get £180m. Couldn't replace them with anything near without breaking wage structure Result lost 7-1 on aggregate to Roma in round of 16 next year. So annoyed I didn't know the later technique to try keep one 🤣
breaking the game is like breaking an EGG sometimes you get the micro shells from the breaking, and sometimes you suck at breaking the shells. less = good, here in this scenario
I recently did the first tactic because the game itself did something I thought was gamey. A team met the release clause of my best player so I offered him a new contract with a higher release clause and a raise. He signed it so I thought that was the end. Then they met his new release clause. That seemed ridiculous so I reloaded and deployed tactic 1.
Nice one that works as well is when they lock in a release clause, but you can still make it higher, then you just make sure the first offer gets rejected and then you lock in the release clause and suggest a higher one, they accept it and you increase it again untill however high you want.
can you explain why every player on the loan list is available to me for an outrageous loan fee, 100% of their wages and some form of later purchase clause? even youth players who clearly need development have this. the game doesnt explain it well, and in the last 2 editions its become so common
Tbh FM23 (and FM22) has broken the transfersystem in a way it's become unrealistic. It's impossible to buy talent in Scandinavia as a Dutch or Belgian side, even though that's all they do in real life for example. Obviously this can be mitigated by playing on in the game and building a new set of finances, but it's nowhere near as realistic as it used to be (ironically).
I hit the jack pot with a wonderkid one save and he developed faster than any player I've ever had into a world class talent at the age of 19. I managed to get rid of his release clause on a brand new contract but then... PSG offered 295Million for him. My board uh... accepted without asking me. But queue revamp to entire team Mourinho style with bit older and bargain class talents and I got to CL finals the next year and won it the next. PSG was literally my sugar daddy that save. edit: this doesn't happen often but I'm pretty sure this happened cuz 1 of PSG's strikers broke his legs and another was on his last few months of his contract and was forcing his way out. PSG ai was desperate.
He does use them. I think the editor of the video received the save file to record the in-between bits and didn't have the same faces as Zealand, obviously. See 9:09 for example where the recording was taken from stream directly.
Zealand could you send the link to the Micronesia cup nations that are selling their shirt designs to help pay for the Costs. I remember you talking about it but I can’t find the link to it. Thanks !
I actually made this comment on the FM forums , the game will try to game you and shaft you , so you game it back so it feels fun. I mean , don't get me wrong , i'll accept a 2-0 loss , that's fine , had a bad game , but when you get a red card in 2' minute of the game and you get destroyed for like 5-0 , yea , nah , that's a reload for me.
I do my contracts like this 4 year or 3 with 1 year that i can trigger...i also never had a player not wanting to sign but ya ..i really got to make a vid of my save
I think to end the argument u could highlight it to si and see if they consider it an exploit/bug. Personally I don't like it as i like pain and challenge of that pain. Each to their own.
Jezus guy..a little more context. It fully depends on your players available..what if you've not got alot of great centre mids but have 2 good wingers etc. The answer is fully different based on your circumstances.
Another trick you can do if the agent chucks on a "non-negotiable" release clause in contract talks with a key player. Exit talks and assign your DoF to negotiate the contract. Skip forward one day and go and re-negotiate the contract. The release clause will now be removable so you can get rid of it and exclude it from negotiations. You will likely have to up the wages a bit but it keeps your wonder kids safe from being poached without you being able to stop it.
If this is true it's the best reason i've ever heard for actually having a DoF! ;)
Will try to keep this in mind once i can get a wonderkid in my team lol, currently trying to take Telford to the prem
To add to this: you can exit contract talks, wait a few days in game, then press "resolve contract talks" with agent. You will get a few interaction choices; theres a choice there where you tell the agent he was too inflexible (or something to that effect) in the last negotiation. If the agent agrees, which ive never experienced they dont, you can remove the release clause and negotiate the salary yourself
I just used this to sign my CB wonderkid to a new contract with a sweet 100M release fee included.
Oh... until now I have just refused to sign anyone with a ridiculous low release clause.
I've always found enough Wonderkids to offset that :D
I love watching South American teenage boys.... wait a minute.... this is still about Football Manager!
I've had to set artifically low asking prices to avoid release clauses being triggered in my build a nation Gibraltar save - the league rep being so low initially made my player values way lower than they should have been.
After a while I ended up selling players with 50% sell on clauses after the rep increased to a viable level...
Now 2042/43 and finally values in line with the club rep as league is 9th in europe.
Champs league semi final is the best finish and Gibraltar to Euros Group stages. Getting there....!
The Asking Price trick you mention... I've used it for players who want to leave, but they give a value that I find insufficient when negotiating an Asking Price. Say, if a 20M-worth player only accepts leaving for 15M, I put the Asking Price at 14M so he will never be mad for me rejecting an offer.
thats a man of pure dedication
Zealand: So, what's our next move?
Editor: I'm thinking Disney World.
Also Egg.
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These kind of things can feel a bit “gamey” but I would consider doing any and all of them if it felt right…or if I just simply refuse to lose my #1 guy after 10 years of a save I’ve worked hard on! 😂
Yes 😂
Gamey, well yeah
Well we don't have the option the real clubs have: Telling someone that their offer is abysmally bad and that you won't even consider at all (refusing to take negotiations with clubs that do not change their offer) and we can't really talk to the guy themselves.
It gamey because the game lacks extreme parts of social negotiations.
If we take into consideration what real life football clubs do, I don't feel that's bab at all.
One cheesey tactic I have to make plays stick to me in a contract extension is to offer negotiations with a contract starting next season - but somewhere in August already (so you need to be sure who's gonna be at least helpful next season).
It basically stops the game from even thinking of said player as available (even tho you can offer them out and they can sign a new contract with then just voids the new one for next season) and subsequently show no interest whatsoever.
But I kinda have that from real life.
I also wish for the option to tell a guy that his demands are ridiculous and that I will not entertain any further discussions without him coming back down to earth. You can only say he wants too much when others are complaining to you, because the player is complaining to them because he didn't get a 800% pay rise (like literally) after being in the club for 3 days, not having a X11 spot.
FM12 I had a Chelsea save with a few fantastic newgen players, Brazilian striker Wellington became Chelsea's all time leading scoreer, had a great German MC named Gerg Goldschmidt that scored on his debut at 15 and was a regular starter by 18 but of them all my favorite was Welsh AMR Rob Challinor who was a goal creation machine. Won the Balon d'Or. Loved that kid, I would never sell him if I could help it. I would game the system if it came to it.
Great video and editing and animation masterclass as well!
Egg!
I want to start this comment by saying, im a fan of Zealand and ive loved watching the Tauton save. That being said, this whole situation has left a sour taste in my mouth. I completely agree that Z can play the game however he wants, but part of the reason I watch a save like this, is cause I like the part which is watching a club come from nothing to something. Part of that experience is sadly having these big clubs come in and take those players we absolutely love. But the fun of it is how you find the next Bulow and Kiss, instead of just saying that they are irreplaceable.
I think we what gets me the most about this strategy is that the only reason you got the players to sign these contracts was the acceptance of a release clause. You yourself know that release clauses "add value" to the contract that they are signing, which is why you use things like relegation release clauses to bring down salary. I feel like that should influence how you kind of perceive these things.
I feel like not honouring the release clause has the same energy as just going into the editor and just removing it. Or if you do not want to have a release clause, make it a non negotiable in the contract, but as stated earlier, those players would not have signed in the first place and you wouldnt have got their services and made huge profits from them.
At the end of the day, you are right to say that its a game how you can play however you want. But if you dont want to honour contracts, you might as well just remove them in the editor. Or if you dont want to lose out on players to higher reputation teams, play as Man City.
At the end of the day, im still going to watch the videos and support the peacocks, but i think you should also consider that as the fans, we want to watch you overcome these hard challenges and show how your expertise can do so.
No hate being sent your way or such, but i know its been a talking point and wanted to state my opinion 👍
Well put and I agree
i understand this, but I think considering the circumstances of last year’s FAC save, where no real progress was able to be made once Z had reached a certain point, it makes sense to not want to get rid of your world class players, and doing everything you can to stop that. If that’s how he wants to play, considering the save only last ~10 months too, let him. It doesn’t take away from the success, just that it merely messes around with a broken part of FM’s mechanics
I understand your point but i feel like the main problem lies with player interaction.
The player wants to move to Manchester United for champions league however you yourself are also able to easily qualify for the champions league in the current season.
I feel like being able to promise qualification to a competition is a must add feature to improve player interaction and until then i feel like these types of tricks are justified. Your player leaving you to play for a slightly worse team who aren't in champions league just because that team has a higher reputation seems more unrealistic.
Imagine if salah, after going to the champions league final in 2017 decides to go to chelsea just because they had a higher reputation at the time. It would have been very stupid
I agree fully makes the series worse. Every contract negotiation he also adds the relegation clause to 0 yet we all know they will never get relegated but the players think they could easily due to reputation etc.
I understand that thsse seem gamey... but you also have to remember that sometimes players choose to leave you or sign for other teams for 10% of the wage you offered and for less playing time at a side in a lower reputation league that aren't in Europe... because football manager.
The sooner they get something like chat gpt in the game the better.
I knew both of these, and I have used them before when it came to my absolute, absolute top players, but it's not something I'd recommend doing on a regular basis. If you wanna do one, I'd choose the second because there's still a chance to fail so it's not outright, foolproof cheating.
But like Z said, what I really would like are more options for the dialogue. In many cases, not just transfers.
For example, I'm playing a custom database with an european league pyramid. My team is in the third tier and won the cup last season, meaning I'm playing Europa League now despite being in 3rd tier. Naturally, some of the more ambitious players want to leave because they want to join a club to play in the Champions League.
I'd like to have dialogue options to point to recent success (won the cup, back to back promotions and sitting in a promotion spot again, quarter finals of the Europa League with a good chance of winning) or to the status quo and likely implications - telling him that if we win the Europa League, we too will play in the Champions League, and asking him to wait until then before making a decision on wanting to leave.
Or to talk about specifically not wanting to sell to certain clubs.
As for other game-breaking exploits, I think by far the worst one this year is the future fee glitch for loans, because it often allows you to get players for like 10% of their actual value (sometimes even less, sometimes more).
It's madness that most clubs will just accept an offer of a 1 month loan (if possible), a monthly fee of 5m for a player worth 30-60m with a mandatory Future Fee clause of like 1k. That one really needs to get fixed, because you can essentially stack just about any clubs with the highest quality players that are willing to join so cheaply. Absolutely never use this imo.
I think it's fine to strike a balance like this. What's important is that someone on a RUclips channel is open and honest about it so that people can choose if they want to watch. What you don't want is someone reloading in the background and pretending they aren't.
this made me chuckle a little too hard
I am also a massive Dynamos🇿🇼🇿🇼 (DeMbare) fan. Man that's just wonderful. Never thought I would see Zealand wearing our kit. Lol
The use of memes in this clip is godlike
Very guilty of that first tip! Bahahahha
The Release Clause-Asking Price trick also works for the "Sell Player" promises. Agree to a value, then set an Asking Price lower than the agreed value, and they will never get mad because you rejected the offer since, after all, no team offered the amount you agreed with him. Let's just hope they drop the promise and not extend it, though...
This is around the same level as the "giving International Games Wage Increase clause when you know the player won't play internationally" trick.
Editor had a masterclass here
I love football manager and as an ex programmer I fully appreciate what a terrific job they’ve done making it as realistic as possible. However it does still have some bugs in it that drive me mad. Where it’s a clear that’s never going to happen scenario I have no issues opening up the editor and fixing it. Or even just changing it for things I prefer. One of my simple favourites is having 12 subs.
You are incredible bro, keep it up!
The first thing I do in contract negotiations is lock in the rrlease clause at the maximum possible amount (581 million euro in FM 2020). I almost always also lock in a 3 year extension option unless the player will lilely be past his prime by the time the contract ends. The player (and/or his agent) will demand a significantly better contract but I just accept that as the cost of doing business. Sometimes their demands will become so high that it's just too much and negotiations will collapse, in which case I may try it again a few months later while locking in only a 2 year extension instead of 3. On a rare occasion (extremely good player, extremely good transfer deal, etc) I will accept only 1 year instead of 3.
The 581 million euro release clause however is non-negotiable. I am willing to pay them a lot more (preferably in different types of bonuses) but if they don't want to sign such a contract or their demands become too crazy I don't sign them. This will cost more in the short term but you will maintain so much more control. You can sign a great 23 year old player for 5 + 3 years with no release clause and they will be at your mercy for 8 years. If they start whining about wanting to leave I tell them to f off. Eventually the other club will lose interest or my own club will have grown in stature enough for them to stop whining. If they start whining about a better contract I tell them they still have a long contract and will not get a new one. My favorite thing is when they hand in a transfer request and instead of accepting it I immediately activate the 3 year contract extension instead.
In my current game I signed a very talented young goalkeeper and had to offer him 2 million euro per year (much more than he initially asked for) to agree to the 581 million release clause and optional 3 year contract extension. A few years later he had improved enough to become my first choice and shortly after that he developed into a world class goalkeeper. I was able to extend his contract and keep the best in the world around for that same 2 million euro a year while my.main competitors were paying their best goalkeepers (who is inferior to mine) 10-15 million a year.
Of course, I also never accept "match highest earner" clauses or yearly wage increases. Once you sign a player with a yearly increase you will never be able to get rid of it when you extend the contract. So even when you sign a young talent who is not costing much at all, they will often ask for 10% or even 15% or 20% yearly increase. I will exclude this from negotiations and just just offer them 50% more salary right away instead. Compound interest is a thing! And if they develop well and you have to give them a proper contract eventually (which will take a long time if you sign them.for 5+3 years) they will always demand at least the same % yearly increase so if you have committed to 15% of a tiny wage in the past you now have to keep that in and their new high salary will keep increasing like that every year.
I like to offer big bonuses, especially for things that players are unlikely to achieve anyway - for example a striker who will be playing only 20-25.out of 38 league matches will get a very big bonus if he scores 30 goals and an enormous bonus if he becomes the league's top scorer. Either he doesn't become top scorer and it costs me nothing extra or he will perform so well that he outscores other strikers who play 35 matches in which case I am happy to pay up.
Also very nice is using the "salary after X matches" for players who you already know will take a many years to get to X matches, especially if they don't expect this. Offering a much higher salary after 30 games for a temporary backup player who you already know will never play 30 games for you is great. I will also offer this player high bonuses for starting games, for scoring and (my favorite) for making the "team of the year" which will obviously never happen.
If you lock the release clause during negotiations, once they've agreed a deal but before you hit finalize you can keep upping the release clause to £300 million and they'll just keep accepting the contract.
these are totally understandable. I do wish there were better dialogue options. Unfortunately, we're not going to get true dialogue options until the GPT enabled version of the game comes out.
This is hilarious to me as someone who played the old Championship Managers in the mid 1990s as there was a similar trick.
You’d get players who insisted on a having a big club release clause, all you would need to do is list the player for loan and no club would ever make a cash offer only a loan offer which you were free to reject.
Very curious to see if Football Manager will include some sort of AI text functionality, to allow us to have morE orGanic dialoGues with players.
One of these that feels fairly vital at times when building from the lower leagues is selling a player to a club with money with a % of profit or next sale included in the deal. Once that appears as a clause you can buy out, offer well above the asking price and then walk away. The clause usually reappears at an greatly inflated level.
i have tried a few trials on how teams bid your players using FM editor, and what i found is pretty interesting, and here it is :
1. Even if you have the best player in the world and you want to sell him by "offer player to clubs" and set an amount of fee, the difference between you get the highest bid possible and not getting any bid at all is very small, it's about 1M euros (the currency that i use).
2. If you are expecting big transfer money from big/rich club you have to offer him before the transfer windows open or very early, because clubs like Real Madrid are often sign their big players in early transfer window, and when they finished the transfer, even if they interested with your players they will offer small amount of money as they transfer budget have already depleted.
Great that you made a video about this. The dialogue options in the game are far too poor and sometimes the options or the result make absolutely no sence. While i don't use any ingame tricks like this, i do save the game before dialogues. This allows me to work around unrealistic dialogues, that would otherwise break the immersion for me.
The conversations, aswell as the contract and transfer negations are the biggest frustrations in the game for me. All of these are supposed to simulate a dialogue with a real human being. Unfortunately they fail at this. Instead they feel like a mini game where you have to make an educated guess to gain a favorable result.
While there is many other things i would like to see developed. This remains the only game breaking issue for me and is by far the number one thing i would like to see improved.
Situations like that with or without release clauses I just promise the player I will sell them if I get a bid of Xx million pounds, then set their value to 500 pounds and set it to auto reject all offers and move on with my save. Never had any issues with dynamics.
Tip: if a player wants release clause when you sign him, you can increase it after they accept.
When they accept the offer, before you confirm, increase the release clause with a few million and offer it again. 90% chance they will accept. And you can keep doing this until you hit the max amount.
Doesn't work anymore in FM23
@@kozzmynell Haven't played in a while, but I am 100% sure I did this in FM 23.
@@ewouteveraert5174 trust me, i was doing this on fm22 and when i tried în fm23 it didn't work :(
@@kozzmynellor no release clause at all????
@@1991extreme I found out other thing that works. You enter contract negociations with a player (this works only if it's your player already) and if he requests min. release clause you end chat. Next day resolve with agent and choose the last option (that the demands were not ok) and when you try to negociate again you can exclude the min. release clause
That's exactly how I used to save my wonderkids when starting from the lowest level of England because the chairman was way too happy to let them go for a few mil...
Reputation is MASSIVELY important in FM and the latest version it seems to be harder to improve reputation than older versions. In my game I've taken a Conference North team (Darlington) to L1. We are in our 3rd season in L1 and pushing for the play offs. Yet our reputation is still Conference/Conference North standard, and much lower than Bury or Macclesfield who are cast adrift in none league.
I wonder how much your facilities impact the clubs reputation.
The games always seem to struggle when you start out at a lower league team and achieve successive promotions.
@@martins4902 yeah I'm sure that facilitates impact reputation, but it would be nice to know by how much. So far I've spent millions to try to improve my facilities (I plan for it to be a long term, club development, save), but they are still bottom half of my league. But when there are teams like Birmingham City in my league, that's understandable.
Reputation building has been AWFUL as far back as the cm days and has never improved. I took Sandhausen, a 2nd division team in Germany and finished 6th, 8th, 3rd, 4th, 2nd in my first 5 seasons in the Bundesliga and still midtable clubs are intersted in my players. It makes zero sense that 10th placed Freiburg think they can get my starting keeper when I finished 2nd. It's ALL cause sigames are horrible at improving reputation of clubs that came from lower divisions. I've made it to the quarters in the CL but it's worth nothing as the club was in the 3rd tier 15 years ago. Illogical...
2:10 That YEET killed me 🤣
I did a couple of times the low asking price with my Livorno team while in Serie C in Italy. Now in Serie A, because of your video, I just saved my main creator because of the other tactic when he didn't go to Southampton after they triggered his release clause.... doesn't feel like cheating 🥰
Props to Z for repping a shirt from my very own castle lager premiership, much love from Zim. FYI I'm a CAPS and Highlanders fan
Hi Im Ben and I use the editor to remove player unhappiness when I think they have a stupid reason. It feels good to finally say it
The worst is when the board accepts a bid for you
With my current Leyton Orient save, ive got a few really good young players, due to a few years of buying wonderkids, and being able to play them... one of which was Endrik (not sure why but he actually chose me over Spurs), after my first year in EPL where i survived on final day of season. I've simply had to offer them new contracts... Endrik got 2 new contracts in 14 months ffs. But agents just wont allow me to get rid of minimum release clause. Thankfully all of them are playing well, and i've managed to get high release clauses on those that insisted upon them, so found that other teams never match it. Thankfully this nonsense coincided with my first season in Europe, and it was the CL, from 6th place in EPL, so that made it easier to offer them the new deals on lucrative money. Currently worth it and sustainable as due to so many good youngsters and end of contract deals, i only spent about 20m of my 80m transfer budget this season. But i'm sure this wont last. lol
A great example of “breaking the game so it’s more fun/realistic” is when I bought the in-game editor to remove the tycoon owner from the club I went to to rebuild them. I felt like I wanted a grind and the money would make it too easy.
A lot of this would be improved if the club rep had a more dynamic fluctuation. Whether this positive or negative, I think FM should increase this a bit. Since rep is such an important metric in how players react to transfers it should reflect the clubs trajectory (positively or negatively).
Thats the real issue. Not only is rep not dynamic enough as compared to real life, it creates wayyyy too many unrealistic scenarios with how SI implements it.
Theres no league-wide rep changes, like what the PL went through in the 00s, you cant mimic Wrexham, old stars rarely are willing to play anywhere once they decline like Messi to Miami, and SI nerfed the hell out of the Chinese team offers so you dont get anything like the current Saudi offers.
Doing lower-league runs has gotten more and more obnoxious over the last couple iterations.
I think the other problem with this (that I've noticed) is that reputation isn't dynamic at all; there's an annual update. So I win the Europa League...I don't seem to get "access" to more interested players until the news item hits about reputation changes at the start of pre-season. That's like 6 weeks I have to wait to start making bids for these players, while other teams can be snatching them up.
@@pwalmsley9 Yeah. Same for Champions League. If your team makes a fluke run past the knockouts, you dont get any benefit during the January transfer window. But, you did just show off your whole team to the PSGs of the world.
The rep system is possibly the most poorly-implemented idea SI has.
I've been doing the first one since 2005 brother hahaha. Edit: now that I think about it, I'm deffo BETTER than my home team's last 20 managers because of the simulation experience I have with fm
In CM97/98 - I still play it😂. If you take a smaller club and have a player with a big club release clause. This clause is often the bain of any managers existence in the lower leagues. The way around it was it list the player for loan. Once you do that, the only bids you get is for loans which are easily refused.
Love from Zimbabwe❤
the not-so-subliminal message at 3:34 😅
A tip I've had success with for players that won't negotiate a new contract with you. Accept a transfer offer, go forward one day, talk to their agent and they'll normally be willing to negotiate a new contract, agree to a contract and then reject the offer.
dynamos fc and highlanders fc were the top of Zimbabwean football back inthe day
Have you ever tried contract extension clause?
When I manage Hong Kong Under 23s, the board always accept bid for my star players and I can't reject the bid. The only option to stop the conversation from the buying club and player is by triggering contract extension clause. I haven't try it on release clause yet, but I suspect it might work the same.
I do get what everyone in thsi comment section is saying but you're leaving very important details out.
Ngl, realeases in do exist and they are indeed respected irl but you got to remember that release clauses are not only for the buying team to decide. It also comes to the player intended to be signed if he leaves or not. Having said this, there are key points forcing Z to do this:
1. Having qualified for Europa and having such a great run in the league, the club's rep should have gone up, whicj didn't happen. As a real life example, look at Leao in Milan. The club has had greag seasons and he's a key player. Instead of moving, he decided to stay.
So, Zealand should have the wigfle room to convince both Bulow and Kiss that he views them as essential for the season and convince them to wait.
It might be an exploit and, fair enough, the grind is looking for players to develop but that comes at the cost of stagnating yojr progress and even worse, going backwards. Not all players which to leave their clubs, even if they have a release clause so each should not be mandatory for them to do so. Bulow is Geeman and he would much rather prefer Germany. His current team is finishing pretry well in standings and he could easily receive a better payment within said team. Why would he want to leave if not for Bayern?
one thing re: player unhappiness that has worked absolute wonders for me is the following:
- offer comes in for a team leader, reject, he gets unhappy
- tell him "you're such a great leader w0wee", he's happy
- tell every subsequent unhappy player that said leader came to me with a similar issue
it's worked about 80-90% of the time for me in my current save. it might even be worth offering out a team leader at the start of a window so you can do this, but that might be a bit bold lol
What I do is set their asking price lower than the release clause and have the response to be ‘reject all transfer offers’. Teams will only bid how much the asking price is and never more
If you pay attention closely when a player signs a deal they will show no interest in leaving and teams know not to make an offer cause the player has signed "new deal". This lasts for around 6 months. If you are quick you can offer a new contract before teams are interested and most of the time either remove release clause or raise it.
Not really, I had players that wanted to leave 1 month after the renewal because high rep. clubs came in for them. But since they were on new deals, refused all of them and they came back around after 2-3 months
Wait, Zealand did the voice of the turtle in finding nemo?
What you don't know his family already moved to Germany and are waiting for his arrival but he's a loyal company man so he won't push for his exit
Todd Boehly really is playing FM in real life - maybe not well, but he's playing
EGG
Another thing you can do is use installments to get a better price for the player and if they dont want to pay it then thats also good.
I just won the Bundesliga twice in the last 3 years and won a championsleauge as Mainz. My reputation is 4th highest in the world and still my main striker wants to leave for Bayern cause they have a "better squad". Thanks for the advice on how to keep him because how often do you see Barcelona's Star player leave for Real Madrid it just makes absolutely no sense
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Barca and Madrid are kind of a special case, because they have that long-standing competition where you're either with Barca or Real for life (there are a few exceptions, though). In Germany, transfers between Bayern and BVB are not that rare, but there's also this clear cut hierarchy with Bayern being no. 1 and BVB being second, but far behind, so in general, Bayern gets Dortmund's top players, and Dortmund gets those that didn't quite make it in Munich or are considered to old. So if in real life, Mainz did achieve that exact feat they did in your save, they would most probably be considered the new no. 2 in Germany, but there's no way anyone would really think them to be at Munich's level. And yes, every Mainz player would still want to go to Bayern, if they could.
@@Eluarelon You didnt read the comment. The player wants to leave for a "better squad". But Mainz in this case is the better squad.
So it makes no sense for a player to want to leave Mainz for Bayern regardless of prestige, thats not the given reason.
Its the equivalent of all of Man City leaving Man Utd because they "want to be on a better squad", and youre saying its okay because historically Man Utd has been marginally more prestigious. But thats not happening in real life and its not logical.
@@Eluarelon you also don't see mo Salah leave for Man City in his prime tho.
@@lowencraft1404 u might have a point here. Wasn't born when he moved and I didn't know that
Well, this is new to me. I usually will let the player go if it is 100millions pounds offer and then partially invest the transfer to get under 20 million pounds wonderkid 😅
That and make an improvement to the reputation system. If in your save you won more champions than real Madrid or Barça, the rep score should 100% reflect it. Same with league titles. The game needs to be "gamed" because of shit like this
Save before big matches? Nah
Save before all matches? Now you’re talking!
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What's that opening with taking control of PSG? What is it trying to achieve in FM? How do you bid for your own player? I'm confused.
Eggcelent video Zealegg.
Holy oversell, Batman!
Hello, Zealand! I have a question for you - can you please give me the playlist with all the cool music you were using while streaming your Dorfs save?
Suggesting people should play FM the way they enjoy it?! what madness is this?
(I actually agree though lol)
More recently I’ve just let them go - always a cheaper player that may be able to fill the roll. As long as I have 1 or 2 stars that can get me to the champions league I’ll be okay.
Delicious Bird Eggy Weggy
6.45 zealand just turned into disneys kronk. 😅
EGG!
I don't think that it's something I'd do myself, but I agree with everyone should do what makes the game fun for them. Now as a real-life fan of Borussia Dortmund I can attest that it sucks when young and talented players use your club as a stepping stone towards the big money, but I also understand that this possibility is why they come to us in the first place. There's no way we could have gotten players like Haaland, Bellingham or Sancho if not for them knowing that they can get actual game-time on a very high level with us and thereby develop to be directly used with the elite clubs. So losing talented players to higher-level clubs is the (unluckily) reality and I'm fine with the same happening in my simulation. Though with my newly started save with Kuopio PS (Finland), I'll probably not have to fear Real and City knocking on my door for the next few years anyways ;)
This option of setting the asking price below the agreed price youd sell the player at then rejecting all the lower than agreed prices has been in the game for at least 4-5 years. Its "gamey" BS that FM need to fix if they want to keep the game being realistic 😅
I was managing a team, fought of a bid for one of our best players from several clubs, told the unsettled player that he should cry to his mommy, because i aint interested. Or buy a psychiatrist, with the ridiculous wage he gets. And then the club sells him behind my back, without consulting me... I asked why ?... they said: "We are the board, resistance is futile..." I resign, because thats a deal breaker for me, the cub sells the player, and then later that season, they relegate... serves them right.
Egg
While I don't utilize gamey tactics myself, I completely understand. The unfortunate truth is that this is an imperfect simulation of being a football manager. No game can possibly simulate real life perfectly, so it's not a dig at SI. So I understand that, if you are trying to pretend you are a real manager, you might game the system a bit, to make up for unreality in the game. You simply can't program every single possible question and response, as they are literally infinite.
That said, I don't play FM as though I'm a real manager. I play it like a game. So the unreality is irrelevant. This means I have no leg to stand on, when it comes to justifying gaming the system. I've never been a fan of utilizing exploits in games. For me, it makes the game less fun. So I do what I can to keep the Bulow's and Kiss's of my save, but bid them a sad farewell if they opt to leave.
Egg
Won the UCL as massive underdogs with N.E.C beating city in the final.
They then stole my two world class players who I couldn't budge release clauses for, did get £180m.
Couldn't replace them with anything near without breaking wage structure
Result lost 7-1 on aggregate to Roma in round of 16 next year.
So annoyed I didn't know the later technique to try keep one 🤣
breaking the game is like breaking an EGG
sometimes you get the micro shells from the breaking, and sometimes you suck at breaking the shells. less = good, here in this scenario
I also think a flat no to transfer bids helps quite often too? instead of negotiating? not everytime obviously...
Free Zeeland's team!!! EGG
i know they are fictional characters but i still feel bad about bulow and his family being gaslighted like this
EGG !!!!
Hi Z,could you do video about Polish team Polonia Warsaw? They just have been promoted 3 times in a row
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I recently did the first tactic because the game itself did something I thought was gamey. A team met the release clause of my best player so I offered him a new contract with a higher release clause and a raise. He signed it so I thought that was the end. Then they met his new release clause. That seemed ridiculous so I reloaded and deployed tactic 1.
Nice one that works as well is when they lock in a release clause, but you can still make it higher, then you just make sure the first offer gets rejected and then you lock in the release clause and suggest a higher one, they accept it and you increase it again untill however high you want.
can you explain why every player on the loan list is available to me for an outrageous loan fee, 100% of their wages and some form of later purchase clause? even youth players who clearly need development have this. the game doesnt explain it well, and in the last 2 editions its become so common
Tbh FM23 (and FM22) has broken the transfersystem in a way it's become unrealistic. It's impossible to buy talent in Scandinavia as a Dutch or Belgian side, even though that's all they do in real life for example. Obviously this can be mitigated by playing on in the game and building a new set of finances, but it's nowhere near as realistic as it used to be (ironically).
What I do is i just stop talking to them when the only options are promises. You literally dont have to talk to them once that happens
it took me about 6 seasons to make Brighton the highest reputation team in the world..
No problem "breaking" the game, with FC Copenhagen, i did sell Mohammed Daramy for 90mill euro from the Danish league. Some years a go.
I hit the jack pot with a wonderkid one save and he developed faster than any player I've ever had into a world class talent at the age of 19. I managed to get rid of his release clause on a brand new contract but then... PSG offered 295Million for him. My board uh... accepted without asking me. But queue revamp to entire team Mourinho style with bit older and bargain class talents and I got to CL finals the next year and won it the next. PSG was literally my sugar daddy that save.
edit: this doesn't happen often but I'm pretty sure this happened cuz 1 of PSG's strikers broke his legs and another was on his last few months of his contract and was forcing his way out. PSG ai was desperate.
Zealand ! Sorry for spent time under a stone but why don’t you use your newgen faces in FM23 ?
He does use them. I think the editor of the video received the save file to record the in-between bits and didn't have the same faces as Zealand, obviously. See 9:09 for example where the recording was taken from stream directly.
Zealand could you send the link to the Micronesia cup nations that are selling their shirt designs to help pay for the Costs. I remember you talking about it but I can’t find the link to it. Thanks !
I actually made this comment on the FM forums , the game will try to game you and shaft you , so you game it back so it feels fun. I mean , don't get me wrong , i'll accept a 2-0 loss , that's fine , had a bad game , but when you get a red card in 2' minute of the game and you get destroyed for like 5-0 , yea , nah , that's a reload for me.
I do my contracts like this 4 year or 3 with 1 year that i can trigger...i also never had a player not wanting to sign but ya ..i really got to make a vid of my save
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Hey Zealand, my laptop can't run FM23 so I'm planning on playing FM17 but does your FM for Beginners series work for that game?
Yes dynamics, medical centre and team training just aren't so deep in 17
@@nicer4474 Thanks!
I just let em go and then use the in-game editor to bring them back to me...*evil laugh*
I think to end the argument u could highlight it to si and see if they consider it an exploit/bug.
Personally I don't like it as i like pain and challenge of that pain. Each to their own.
is 4-5-1 a good formation to play and it includes two CDM and three CAM or three CM and two CAM?
Jezus guy..a little more context. It fully depends on your players available..what if you've not got alot of great centre mids but have 2 good wingers etc. The answer is fully different based on your circumstances.
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Does anyone know how to convince a player who is on his last year of contract to stay? The game doesnt let me talk to him although he does want to go
I'm on fm22 3 seasons in with Chelsea. 3 Ballon Dor for Lukaku
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