Arghh I'm so indecisive between these two lenses! The 85 is cheaper, lighter and has a faster aperture. The 90 is sharper & more versatile. Do you think the oss in the 90 handling the pitch & yaw is enough to gain a stop of light through lowering shutter speed and compensate for the lower aperture?🤔
They're all such excellent options (Sony 85, Batis 85, and Sony 90). I keep a lean quiver, so I chose the 90 Macro. The Batis 85 was incredible, but the 90 is more versatile because it doubles as a macro. Between those, I think the difference is unnoticeable unless you're pixel-peeping the bokeh. I didn't try the Sony 85, but I think it only competes if you're really sensitive to price or only dabble in portraits. Otherwise, I'd definitely pay to upgrade to the Batis 85 for the OSS and Zeiss build.
I bought both. That 90mm is really really sharp but somewhat slow AF and only f2.8.... 85mm has faster AF than the 90mm and f1.8... I do however think the 90 is overall Sharper than the 85
I have been using 85mm f1.8 and lately I bought 90mm f2.8 macro, and I used these two lenses for taking photos of flowers and models at Seoul fashion week, but I decided to go on with all two of them.. 85mm f1.8 and 90mm f2.8 macro are completely valuable lenses in my opinion. thanks for the good review.
I use both, the issue with the 90mm is heavy, slow and noisy. It also hunts more often than I like. I wouldn’t recommend it to people who don’t need 1 to 1 macro. General purpose lens like 24-105 can focus very close at 105, good enough for shooting food at close up. Also, if you shoot macro indoor like a matchbox model car, take a look at the 50mm macro which is not as sharp as the 90mm but a lot cheaper and lighter so doesn’t require a heavy duty tripod to hold it in place. For occasional macro, macro tube is cheap and can fit on most lenses. I used one for a long time with the 85mm 1.8 and 55mm 1.8 before deciding liking macro enough to buy the 90mm and a 50mm macro lenses. 90mm has great focus ring, precise, right amount of travel and easy to switch on and off.
The 90mm Macro is one of the best lenses I have ever used. But the 85 also has a place in my bag, especially at the very reasonable price. I bring the 85 for street work (for which the 90 is large and conspicuous, where the 85 isn't) or low light photography where that extra aperture matters. And of course, the 90 Macro is the best macro lens for E-mount, truly outstanding, so it will have a place for that as well.
I have both for over a year. These are orange and apple different lenses. Unless you do macro, buy the lot cheaper and lighter, faster 85. For occasional macro need, add a $20 macro extension ring to your 85mm.
I have loved my Sony 85mm f/1.8 as a portrait lens on my Sony APSC bodies for a long time and absolutely love it when shooting models. Love that focus hold button reprogrammed for Eye-AF when I am shooting with a camera that doesn't have full time Eye AF. I am expecting delivery soon of a Sony A7iii which will even make the 85mm more versatile... If you want macro - sure get the macro lens. I don't need macro capability since close up shooting is covered very well my my Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 lens. If I "need" to get closer, I have a set of extension tubes, But, since I don't really do macro, I have seldom used these. A big capability of the 85mm f/1.8 is the ability to blow the BG OOF a focus a bit more than the 90mm f/2.8. This is especially true when I shoot outdoors.
Hey awesome ☺️ I want a lens that has no spherical distortion, and will capture equal sharpness from center to edges of a flat surface, like drawings and paintings. Is the 90mm perfect fit for it?
I love how the 85mm lists glass for CA correction. It has really bad CA at 1.8 but it’s completely correctable in post. I just want to know what it would look like without the correcting glass lol
Can Image Stabilization at 2.8 can beat that extra stop of light at 1.8? I mean, if we want to equal the amount of light into the sensor for one picture, can the 90mm 2.8 with a lower shutter speed and Image stabalization beat the 85mm F1.8 with a higher shutter speed?
You need to keep after these presentations. I liked the balance and truth. I love my 90mm. I did not know how good it was until after I had purchased it. Then I saw all of the reviews. When you are using it with A7iii set your ISO to Auto. Then you can concentrate on speed, and the exact amount of Bokeh you want. The low light capability of the body...helps when you are in close. Again..nice work with this video.
One very important thing is the balance of the lens. The 85mm feels heavier than the 90mm because the 85mm is very front heavy and at the same time it is too short to hold in the palm of your hand (like you would hold a long lens). The 90mm is excellent in this aspect and is therefore much more comfortable to use.
I have both. But I don't carry both, as it depends on what I expect to be shooting. I do wish the 90mm Macro didn't have the push/pull AF toggle, as there are times it is inconvenient. I have just recently switched to using the button on the lens to switch between AF & MF, but haven't tried if it works on the 90 Macro.
Was thinking of getting 85. As I don’t get much blur on my 24-70 when I am taking pictures of my baby. After I seen your clip. Will try to use my 90 macro 1st. As it’s used for my macro works.
I have the 85mm *f/1.4* GMaster - but for everything except nighttime environmental portraits I still reach for the 90mm G. The image sharpness is *insane*
While not example apples and oranges (more like oranges and tangerines) the two lenses are quite different and are meant for two different types of shooting....
@Mr. Kattan ive been thinking about getting the 85 1.8 you dont feel like having the 85 and 90 is too similar or do they give a big difference in look?
Hi, I got both. I like the 85 for portraits than the 90macro mainly becoz of its weight. And it’s quick focusing too. The 90macro is mainly for macro shots. Tnx.
The most important things when shooting are sharpness edge to edge, low chromatic aberration, and color rendering. Both seem fine. I was planning on using my 24-105 f4 next time I have to shoot art since it is quite sharp, I have to stop down anyway to make sure everything is in focus, I'd shoot from a distance, and it's versatile. (I don't have the 90mm.)
90mm is better as it is designed to be sharp across the whole picture. autofocus is significantely slower but doesnt matter if you photographing stills and also the etter bokeh of the 85 isnt necessary as you wont play with unsharpness on paintings.
Weather sealing is not the same as putting a rubber gasket along the mount. Most effort in weather sealing is making sure the lens is internally sealed - both from the outside as providing multiple isolated chambers on the inside. Arguably, it is much harder to get a trace of humidity out of the inside of the lens (causing condens, fungus etc), than it is getting it out of the mount, which you can easily open up and let dry.
yeah hes right the 85 gm adn 1.8 there no huge difrent at sharpnest, and u know what i think my 24mm way more sharp than 85 gm, thats why i keep the 85 1.8 . . .
I might add my two pennyworths. The 90mm macro's autofocus in low light is terrible. One would notice it only when using a Sony A7 camera. When I moved to A7iii the AF struggle is eliminated due to the body. But its sharpest lens in the world.
Just got my 90mm i went over and over each of those two lenses but i shoot weddings so i felt like the 90 added extra benefit when it comes to shooting rings and detAILS
if you shoot macro- get the macro- if you never shoot macro get the portrait. Its really simple that simple. The only thing is that the macro also happens to make a very good portrait lens.
if you mostly shot portraits go with the 85 and get extension tubes for the rare need of macro shots. the bokeh is much better on the 85 and it focuses noticable faster than the 90,
Does it make sense to get 85 f/1.8 as a second lens, if you already have Tamron 28-75? Trying to decide if 10mm focal range difference and f/1.8 will make a huge difference. Thanks!
Hi am wedding photographer based in Goa-india. I have Sony a7iii and Tamron 28-75mm am Looking forward to buy one of this lens. Which one of this will be great for a wedding photographer
I seldom use a macro lens these days... My Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 lens gets me close enough for most of my needs... I use the 85mm f/1.8 for portraits and love it.
I have the Batis 85 1.8, which is very similar to the Sony 1.8 in terms of sharpness etc, but as much as I love the lens I am going to trade it in for the versatility of the 90 macro. There are cheaper macros like the Sigma 70 and the Tokina FiRIN 100 f2.8 but the Sony beats both in reliability of focus and the Sigma is too short. It really does appear to be the best macro available for E mount, and doubles as an excellent portrait lens as far as I can tell.
Great image quality in most situations Sharp performance, again in most situations Optical stabilization Fast focusing performance Very silent stabilization
Thanks man, I'm thinking about buying the 90mm now. One suggestion for you: You can clean out the noise with a few clicks and it'd drastically improve the quality of your video. If you have adobe audition, I have a tutorial on my page. If not, I think you can try Audacity, which is free. Good luck!
The reason Sony doesn't put on a little gasket, is that if they did you'd be taking it out in the rain, instantly ruining the lens, because all other joints aren't weather sealed.
Extension tubes are a great alternative if budget is a factor, but I found them frustrating and most features did not work and or would stop working. With macro, focus stacking is King and I would really suggest investing in a macro focus rail. There are some great software out there that really cut down editing times too!
I believe that your "performance" metric is dubious. This is not a fair comparison as the 85 is 1 and a third stops faster... and the fact that the 90 has "polygonal" bokeh precludes it from serious consideration as a portrait lens... and it shouldn't be considered for portrait since it's a dedicated macro lens.....
I know many professionals that would disagree with you on this one. I use it equally for portaits. They are different lenses and the video is just showing that. A lot of people are curious to know which one might work better for them.
85 F1.8 on the a7Riv in crop mode = 127.5mm F2.8 The bokeh on the 85 is better than the 90. The 90 is sharp, criminally sharp but the falloff and bokeh is meh.
The second point. Not everyone can handle a 90mm lens The lens has a professional use style, and you may not get good results In this case, you must be very professional to take pictures It all depends on your abilities more Most photographers have lenses like this and they are very expensive and unfortunately they have very poor results in macros and portraits This is due to the arts of photography and creativity
Sorry you have mistake...the price for 85mm is too low .That make it for portrait the best deal!!! My heart is 90mm f2.8,because i love microphotography i that make it...for is 90mm!Another mistake...you need to compare!!! just bla bla bla....
As to build quality, the 85 mm wins. There are only 4 screws that hold the lens mount and the rest of the 90mm, and it's made of plastic. With all that weight, it'll break apart when it hit something while being mounted on the camera.
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Which one would you go for in the end?
Just bought my A7R III today and picked the 90! But I already had a pre-owned Zeiss Batis 85 on the way, so now I have yet another decision to make...
Arghh I'm so indecisive between these two lenses! The 85 is cheaper, lighter and has a faster aperture. The 90 is sharper & more versatile.
Do you think the oss in the 90 handling the pitch & yaw is enough to gain a stop of light through lowering shutter speed and compensate for the lower aperture?🤔
They're all such excellent options (Sony 85, Batis 85, and Sony 90). I keep a lean quiver, so I chose the 90 Macro. The Batis 85 was incredible, but the 90 is more versatile because it doubles as a macro. Between those, I think the difference is unnoticeable unless you're pixel-peeping the bokeh. I didn't try the Sony 85, but I think it only competes if you're really sensitive to price or only dabble in portraits. Otherwise, I'd definitely pay to upgrade to the Batis 85 for the OSS and Zeiss build.
I bought both. That 90mm is really really sharp but somewhat slow AF and only f2.8.... 85mm has faster AF than the 90mm and f1.8... I do however think the 90 is overall Sharper than the 85
Is there a Macro 1.8?
I have been using 85mm f1.8 and lately I bought 90mm f2.8 macro, and I used these two lenses for taking photos of flowers and models at Seoul fashion week, but I decided to go on with all two of them.. 85mm f1.8 and 90mm f2.8 macro are completely valuable lenses in my opinion. thanks for the good review.
Thanks! Both great lenses
When is the $200 sony FE 10mm - 1000mm f1.4 pancake lens coming out?
Preorders start tomorrow.
i bought the 90mm for my A7iii, use it as portrait lens and macro ;)
How good is it for portrait?
@@shyjucabraham91 it's really good for portrait, I use it mostly outside, produces nice bokeh
I use both, the issue with the 90mm is heavy, slow and noisy. It also hunts more often than I like. I wouldn’t recommend it to people who don’t need 1 to 1 macro. General purpose lens like 24-105 can focus very close at 105, good enough for shooting food at close up. Also, if you shoot macro indoor like a matchbox model car, take a look at the 50mm macro which is not as sharp as the 90mm but a lot cheaper and lighter so doesn’t require a heavy duty tripod to hold it in place. For occasional macro, macro tube is cheap and can fit on most lenses. I used one for a long time with the 85mm 1.8 and 55mm 1.8 before deciding liking macro enough to buy the 90mm and a 50mm macro lenses. 90mm has great focus ring, precise, right amount of travel and easy to switch on and off.
The 90mm Macro is one of the best lenses I have ever used. But the 85 also has a place in my bag, especially at the very reasonable price. I bring the 85 for street work (for which the 90 is large and conspicuous, where the 85 isn't) or low light photography where that extra aperture matters. And of course, the 90 Macro is the best macro lens for E-mount, truly outstanding, so it will have a place for that as well.
I love the 85 but now that i see what the 90 can do... its the 90 hands down... more versatile for me.
I have both for over a year. These are orange and apple different lenses. Unless you do macro, buy the lot cheaper and lighter, faster 85. For occasional macro need, add a $20 macro extension ring to your 85mm.
That's just cool. Which extension ring you're using? Does it impact the performance?
Thanks for the hint. That really seems like the best way to go!
I bought both and it is the best answer.
I have loved my Sony 85mm f/1.8 as a portrait lens on my Sony APSC bodies for a long time and absolutely love it when shooting models. Love that focus hold button reprogrammed for Eye-AF when I am shooting with a camera that doesn't have full time Eye AF. I am expecting delivery soon of a Sony A7iii which will even make the 85mm more versatile...
If you want macro - sure get the macro lens. I don't need macro capability since close up shooting is covered very well my my Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 lens. If I "need" to get closer, I have a set of extension tubes, But, since I don't really do macro, I have seldom used these.
A big capability of the 85mm f/1.8 is the ability to blow the BG OOF a focus a bit more than the 90mm f/2.8. This is especially true when I shoot outdoors.
Hey awesome ☺️
I want a lens that has no spherical distortion, and will capture equal sharpness from center to edges of a flat surface, like drawings and paintings. Is the 90mm perfect fit for it?
Kketansa Art The lens has a reputation for exceptional edge to edge sharpness.
I love how the 85mm lists glass for CA correction. It has really bad CA at 1.8 but it’s completely correctable in post. I just want to know what it would look like without the correcting glass lol
If both of these lenses were $600, I would have no difficulty choosing the 90mm macro lens
It should be priced around US$400. Build quality is not very good. At its current price tag, we expect more than plastic parts.
Can Image Stabilization at 2.8 can beat that extra stop of light at 1.8? I mean, if we want to equal the amount of light into the sensor for one picture, can the 90mm 2.8 with a lower shutter speed and Image stabalization beat the 85mm F1.8 with a higher shutter speed?
Awesome review. Thanks. Helped tons with my decision
Happy to help my friend!
You need to keep after these presentations. I liked the balance and truth. I love my 90mm. I did not know how good it was until after I had purchased it. Then I saw all of the reviews. When you are using it with A7iii set your ISO to Auto. Then you can concentrate on speed, and the exact amount of Bokeh you want. The low light capability of the body...helps when you are in close. Again..nice work with this video.
Thanks so much Tracy!
One very important thing is the balance of the lens. The 85mm feels heavier than the 90mm because the 85mm is very front heavy and at the same time it is too short to hold in the palm of your hand (like you would hold a long lens). The 90mm is excellent in this aspect and is therefore much more comfortable to use.
I have both. But I don't carry both, as it depends on what I expect to be shooting. I do wish the 90mm Macro didn't have the push/pull AF toggle, as there are times it is inconvenient. I have just recently switched to using the button on the lens to switch between AF & MF, but haven't tried if it works on the 90 Macro.
Was thinking of getting 85. As I don’t get much blur on my 24-70 when I am taking pictures of my baby. After I seen your clip. Will try to use my 90 macro 1st. As it’s used for my macro works.
I have both. 85 for still portraits, 90 for macro and video.
It is big difference at low light with 90mm lens?
I have the 85mm *f/1.4* GMaster - but for everything except nighttime environmental portraits I still reach for the 90mm G. The image sharpness is *insane*
While not example apples and oranges (more like oranges and tangerines) the two lenses are quite different and are meant for two different types of shooting....
Absolutely. The goal was to show the differences!
Ive been looking into that cameron. it looks like it may be the best bet for the money
@Mr. Kattan
@Mr. Kattan ive been thinking about getting the 85 1.8 you dont feel like having the 85 and 90 is too similar or do they give a big difference in look?
love your content! love from Norway
Thanks bud!
I have the Sony 85mm f1.8 and I am very happy! :-) Amazing lens for this price! by the way I am also a Canon shooter with the 5Dmk4 and 85mm f1.2! :-)
David Aelbrecht you should try 1.4 !
Hi, I got both. I like the 85 for portraits than the 90macro mainly becoz of its weight. And it’s quick focusing too. The 90macro is mainly for macro shots. Tnx.
I agree with Delfin. Since I don't do a lot of macro I sold my 90mm and pick the Sigma 70mm.
Which lens is better for shooting artwork (oil paintings)? Thanks
The 90 is the sharper lens. I'm not an expert of photographing art though.
The most important things when shooting are sharpness edge to edge, low chromatic aberration, and color rendering. Both seem fine. I was planning on using my 24-105 f4 next time I have to shoot art since it is quite sharp, I have to stop down anyway to make sure everything is in focus, I'd shoot from a distance, and it's versatile. (I don't have the 90mm.)
90mm is better as it is designed to be sharp across the whole picture. autofocus is significantely slower but doesnt matter if you photographing stills and also the etter bokeh of the 85 isnt necessary as you wont play with unsharpness on paintings.
Weather sealing is not the same as putting a rubber gasket along the mount. Most effort in weather sealing is making sure the lens is internally sealed - both from the outside as providing multiple isolated chambers on the inside. Arguably, it is much harder to get a trace of humidity out of the inside of the lens (causing condens, fungus etc), than it is getting it out of the mount, which you can easily open up and let dry.
well, IS allows you to perform better in low light but don't forget...the 85 goes up to 1.8 ...almost 2 stops brighter
I have both of them!
Wouldn’t it have been best to compare the 85 GM ? The 1.8 is not as sharp as the 1.4?
I owend both of them and i sold the GM 1.4 because it is not a big difference between those two, beside the cost. greetings form Austria
yeah hes right the 85 gm adn 1.8 there no huge difrent at sharpnest, and u know what i think my 24mm way more sharp than 85 gm, thats why i keep the 85 1.8 . . .
I might add my two pennyworths. The 90mm macro's autofocus in low light is terrible. One would notice it only when using a Sony A7 camera. When I moved to A7iii the AF struggle is eliminated due to the body. But its sharpest lens in the world.
I couldnt speak for the a7 but on my a7iii ive been very happy as well! I'm not typically shooting in low light with it regardless.
Just got my 90mm i went over and over each of those two lenses but i shoot weddings so i felt like the 90 added extra benefit when it comes to shooting rings and detAILS
@@michaeldimages It wont let you down!
I have tried both lenses, the difference in focusing speed between the 85mm and 90mm is night and day. The 85 is way faster and bang on everytime
Great review ,and clearly mentioned ,thnku ,love it ,greatfull thanku
if you shoot macro- get the macro- if you never shoot macro get the portrait. Its really simple that simple. The only thing is that the macro also happens to make a very good portrait lens.
So can i use macro lens for portrait ?the result will be as well as 85mm?or better....?by away i don't care about price
Sure you can, it will be very sharp but you won't get the bokeh of a f1.8. Depends on what youre looking for.
@@StefanMalloch honestly i want 85mm for both purpose i mean macro& portrait shooting.. it's working??
if you mostly shot portraits go with the 85 and get extension tubes for the rare need of macro shots. the bokeh is much better on the 85 and it focuses noticable faster than the 90,
Does it make sense to get 85 f/1.8 as a second lens, if you already have Tamron 28-75? Trying to decide if 10mm focal range difference and f/1.8 will make a huge difference. Thanks!
Yes totally different lenses. For portraits, its going to be a different world.
Hi am wedding photographer based in Goa-india.
I have Sony a7iii and Tamron 28-75mm am Looking forward to buy one of this lens.
Which one of this will be great for a wedding photographer
I seldom use a macro lens these days... My Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 lens gets me close enough for most of my needs... I use the 85mm f/1.8 for portraits and love it.
Pullig the trigger on the 90mm 2.8 I do have the 85mm 1.8. Love my 85mmnd 1.8 50mm. Only issue I have is te poor build quality on the 50mm
Right on!
I have the Batis 85 1.8, which is very similar to the Sony 1.8 in terms of sharpness etc, but as much as I love the lens I am going to trade it in for the versatility of the 90 macro. There are cheaper macros like the Sigma 70 and the Tokina FiRIN 100 f2.8 but the Sony beats both in reliability of focus and the Sigma is too short. It really does appear to be the best macro available for E mount, and doubles as an excellent portrait lens as far as I can tell.
Great image quality in most situations
Sharp performance, again in most situations
Optical stabilization
Fast focusing performance
Very silent stabilization
Great video.
What's you favorite option to sell you camera gear. I'm thinking of selling my 85mm, so I can get the 90mm.
I’ll buy it lol
Thanks this was helpful!
Glad to help! It can be hard to choose.
Great review! Please can you review the Sony 50mm F1.8 next?
Thanks! I don't have one currently but I'll try to get my hands on one.
save your time its shit
Thanks!
Thanks man, I'm thinking about buying the 90mm now. One suggestion for you: You can clean out the noise with a few clicks and it'd drastically improve the quality of your video. If you have adobe audition, I have a tutorial on my page. If not, I think you can try Audacity, which is free. Good luck!
Thanks bud, Ill check it out. I'm Pretty new to video.
@@StefanMalloch Yeah it's easy!
The reason Sony doesn't put on a little gasket, is that if they did you'd be taking it out in the rain, instantly ruining the lens, because all other joints aren't weather sealed.
Can I use this lense for wedding photography and groups?
Please respond.
I ended up buying both 😁😁
Cool video
Orange co choppers was a great show
Different purpose. I believe 85f1.8 focusing faster than 90 Mac
Great comparison 😊 do you use extension tubes as well and if so, does auto focus still work?
Extension tubes are a great alternative if budget is a factor, but I found them frustrating and most features did not work and or would stop working. With macro, focus stacking is King and I would really suggest investing in a macro focus rail. There are some great software out there that really cut down editing times too!
I believe that your "performance" metric is dubious. This is not a fair comparison as the 85 is 1 and a third stops faster... and the fact that the 90 has "polygonal" bokeh precludes it from serious consideration as a portrait lens... and it shouldn't be considered for portrait since it's a dedicated macro lens.....
I know many professionals that would disagree with you on this one. I use it equally for portaits. They are different lenses and the video is just showing that. A lot of people are curious to know which one might work better for them.
85 F1.8 on the a7Riv in crop mode = 127.5mm F2.8
The bokeh on the 85 is better than the 90. The 90 is sharp, criminally sharp but the falloff and bokeh is meh.
I have no interest is macro photography so its the lighter and faster 85mm 1.8
There is no proof that lens stabilization is necessary when using a stabilized camera.
just shoot at a fast enough shutter speed or tripod
A6400 has no ibis. Tripod can't be used always. So I would go for the 90mm.
The second point. Not everyone can handle a 90mm lens
The lens has a professional use style, and you may not get good results
In this case, you must be very professional to take pictures
It all depends on your abilities more
Most photographers have lenses like this and they are very expensive and unfortunately they have very poor results in macros and portraits
This is due to the arts of photography and creativity
The 90 is also very heavy, loll
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 Yes, the lens is heavy, but the quality of the images is very impressive
@@اسامةمسعود-ظ8ق I've been taking a lot of shots the last month with it in Manhattan. It's a moody lens. But dayum is my arm getting a workout😆
85 is WAY better build than really fragile 90. Anyone who took rear mount off know it.
good review
Thanks friend, I try.
The macro
There is no comparison . Their purpose are different
the 90mm is also good for portraits too though
Sometimes go out and do review. It’s good for health
These lenses are not for the same use
Unless they are.. did you watch the video? 🤣
I sell my 85 to buy 90mm 😂
Sorry you have mistake...the price for 85mm is too low .That make it for portrait the best deal!!! My heart is 90mm f2.8,because i love microphotography i that make it...for is 90mm!Another mistake...you need to compare!!! just bla bla bla....
As to build quality, the 85 mm wins. There are only 4 screws that hold the lens mount and the rest of the 90mm, and it's made of plastic. With all that weight, it'll break apart when it hit something while being mounted on the camera.