the GIRLS REACT to *Dr. Sleep* BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL?? (First Time Watching) Horror Movies
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The girls, Hayley and Stella, are reacting to Dr. Sleep (2019) directed by the legendary Mike Flanegan, a perfect sequal to the legendary book/movie The Shining written by Stephen King! Enjoy this first time watching horror movies reaction to Dr. Sleep.
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What is your favorite Stephen King book?
What happened to the original reaction?
Christine
Carrie
11.22.63
The Shining
The Shawshank Redemption
Misery
@@ericb9252 Shawshank isn't really a book.
The Stand, Insomnia, Under the Dome, 11.22.63
IT
Doctor Sleep is a pretty solid book. Misery is also really good.
I'm reading Fairy Tale right now. (One of his newer books.)
Steven King wrote Dr. Sleep as he said that Danny was his only character that he wondered whatever happened to him later in life.
I think one idea was that he and Charlie, from Firestarter, fell in love and got married.
@@biguy617 Well that could be interesting.
apparently "tony" is danny from the future warning him. soo.. yeah. mind fuck there.
@@Wesleechhe is. I’ve never read the book but in Stephen King’s The Shining, which was a miniseries that’s about 7 hours long, at the end shows that To y is in fact older Danny. Btw if you haven’t watched that version of the shining do yourself the favor. It’s better than Stanley Kubrics version with Jack Nicholson. Seriously.
@@TheRobe- it really is such a great version of the story and shows more that was in the book, worth a watch, shoddy cgi aside
The guy at the baseball game talking about the kid reading the pitcher's minds is the OG Danny Torrance. the kid, the batter, himself did such a good job during his death scene he freaked out the entire cast,
Little Jacob Tremblay!………only he’s not so little now😂
He made part of cast tear up with his screams.
yup. then he'd hop up between takes like nothing, high five his dad for the great take and go grab a cookie at the craft services table.
Danny Lloyd did such a great job, its a bit dissapointing that he didn't act again. But considering what happens to most child actors, it was likely a good thing.
Mike Flanagan knocks this movie out of the park. The director's cut is also excellent.
What the difference between the directors cut and the theatrical cut
@@aydenhudgins Normal movie is 2 hours and 32 minutes long. Director's cut is 3 hours and 1 minute long. It just fleshes the movie out quite a bit more.
@@Khay-77 ahhh ok
@anthropyrequien6227 It's hard to detail. It's 29 minutes of additional footage that fleshes out many scenes.
@anthropyrequien6227 like him buying a bus ticket, and extra dialog between abra and parents etc
'The cat's called Azreel, which sounds like a biblical thing!' says Stella. Well, the angel of Death is also known as Azrael, which is probably where the King got the name from!
Nah, King was probably watching the Smurfs back in the 80s and saw Azrael the cat in the show.
@@OpheliaSees Gargamel: "AZRAEL!!! You STUPID cat!!!!"
The actor who takes over Jack Nicholson's role as Danny's father played Elliott in E.T.
Wait really
OOOOOOH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I feel so bad for recognizing him just now.
Why did you have to tell us that? He was perfect in it. i could really see him as Jack Nicholson, now everytime I watch this all I see will be an old Elliot.
This was a redemption thriller / horror story for Danny Torrance. So it's intent was quite different than the original book or the movie. The focus was on the characters and their journey, rather than the unexplained mystery of the Overlook and the insanity of Jack Torrance. The ending of the Overlook used in Dr. Sleep was what King originally intended and wrote in his book The Shining. Dr. Sleep was trauma recovery, The Shining was the trauma.
I heard that Jacob Tremblay did so well, the entire cast on set was uncomfortable. His dad was there too, but when he was done with his scene, he just hopped up, went to his dad, and they left like nothing happened
Doesn't surprise me at all.
Brie Larson had accolades heaped upon her for Room, but she didn't deserve any of them compared to Jacob who played her son in the film - he was the real star there by a thousand miles and then some, like early Dakota Fanning.
Rose actually burst into tears on set after the shot.
Also Stephen King was on set and told Mike Flanagan that he should tone down that scene because it was harder to watch. Definitely different seeing it than reading it.
I adore this film. I consider the directors cut a masterpiece. When you consider the balancing act Flanagan had to do in making a sequel to the Kubrick film while also honouring both of King's books and having it work this well it is quite astonishing.
Agreed this is the true adaptation the Shinning only wishes it was.
Trivia : Danny's guide and imaginary friend is actually a manifestation of his subconscious + his shining. It is named Tony because it is his middle name. Anthony. Because it is him.
In the first film when Jack says "Here's Johnny!" , some viewers think is weird and random. While it is a reference to "The Tonight
Show with Johnny Carson" , it is also a joke on his name. Jack IS Johnny , as Jack is simply a nickname for people named John or Johnathan. Jacks; real name is John Torrance , people just call him Jack.
Yeah, the Knot actors talked in the commentary how freakishly good a performance the kid playing baseball boy gave. They said they were teasing him how they were gonna eat him and everything, and after getting engrossed in his performance, they all felt so terrible they had to take a break and remember they were playing villains in order to properly get back into character.
ugh that scene with Dan and his dad at the bar always gives me goosebumps. anyone who's struggled with addiction can relate. the writing is so perfect.. the part where Jack Torrence is talking about a man being surrounded by mouths that eat time is powerful. you see there the root of all the hate inside him that the hotel was able to use.. it actually changed the original movie for me when I went back and watched it afterwards. I always thought Jack was just trying his best and the hotel ruined him but you can see how even early in the movie, Jack is hiding disdain for his family; especially for Wendy. that hate that was festering was just what the Overlook wanted. Jack had quit drinking and I'd like to think that if he hadn't gone to the overlook he could have worked through those feelings, but probably that underlying sickness within him would have remained
Danny Lloyd, who played Dan in The Shining, makes a cameo in this movie as a spectator at the baseball game praising Bradley Trevor. He is retired from acting (as is Jack Nicholson and Shelley Duvall) but was keen to appear in the film after Mike Flanagan messaged him.
Also I feel old when people recognise Henry Thomas (who played the bartender/Jack) from anything other than E.T.
Doctor Sleep explores that not only humans shine, but animals can too. The cat shines, as it can determine when people are about to die.
Interestingly enough, Stephen King was inspired to write Doctor Sleep after reading about Oscar the cat in a nursing home who was believed to know when patients were going to die. In the film the cat's name is Azzie, which is short for Azrael, who is the Angel of Death. Azzie is portrayed by Bonkers, a cat that belongs to The Newton Brothers, the film's composers.
According to director Mike Flanagan, Jacob Tremblay's performance during the first take of his death scene was so intense that it shocked and scared the other actors, including Rebecca Ferguson, who was so horrified she was stammering and couldn't say her lines. When the scene was over, a grinning Jacob jumped up, covered in fake blood, high-fived his dad and got a snack, leaving the rest of the cast "shell-shocked and traumatized".
In the novel, it is revealed that Dan actually is Abra's uncle. Abra's mother is Dan's half-sister, the result of an extramarital affair Jack had shortly before losing his job as a teacher.
There was an idea for a prequel focusing on the character of Dick Hallorann, but following the disappointing box-office performance of Doctor Sleep, it was cancelled.
Mike Flanagan then confirmed that he was interested in directing a sequel focused on Abra, and that he had asked Stephen King who was open to the idea.
I disagree that the Gold Room scene doesn't serve the story.
1) Dan was able to refuse a drink where his father couldn't. It allows him to end the cycle of generational addiction
2) It allows him to have the conversation with his Dad he always wanted to as an adult. He was only 5 when Jack tried to kill him and ended up dying himself. He understands that his own drinking was trying to relate to his father early on (he talks about it when he gets his 8 year chip ) BUT that only really happens, not when he's drunk, but when he's in the Gold Room.
That scene is both Flanagan's and King's favourite in the movie
***Spoilers for both Novels*** (not that the spoilers are huge, but just in case anyone still wants to read them) I can’t even describe how much I love this movie and the novel. While it is eerie and scary in the moments where it has to be, it also balances heavy moments which are emotionally touching. I also really love the commentary on addiction and the way it’s represented through both Dan and the True Knot. Dan’s story shows what it’s like to be at the lowest point when struggling with addiction, and how recovering for the better can be healing and life changing. The True Knot illustrates the addicts who are too deep into their addiction with no intention of getting better. They know what they want and do whatever it takes to please their cravings, disregarding the harm and destruction they cause around them and only feeling at their “peak” when they get ahold of the substances they’d literally kill for. When I read it for the first time, I was really nervous about what they were going to do for the movie. Especially because the ending of The Shining is drastically different when comparing page to screen. Hallorann actually survives in the novel and The Overlook burns down. For Doctor Sleep, Dan also actually survives in the novel and the final fight takes place where The Overlook once stood, which by this point had become a campground. There’s also a character which they removed in the movie; Concetta Reynolds. Doing this sort of erased a “plot twist” that was part of the book. When Dan visits Concetta, he learns that Abra’s mom, Lucy, is actually Jack Torrance’s illegitimate child, meaning that Lucy and Dan are half siblings and the “Uncle Dan” title Abra gave him was quite literal. It gives a bit of a reason as to why the connection between their shining abilities is so powerful. I knew it would be difficult for them to follow the exact story of the novel while remaining to be a consistent sequel to the first film because of the changes they made in The Shining. If they ignored those changes, people who haven’t read either book would be confused. But they managed to figure it out and it’s really a treat to both fans of the novels and the first movie. The way they dealt with the changes and even made changes of their own made everything work out, and they even managed to pay homage to the first novel by ending it in a similar manner. They knew they had a big job to do and although it was risky, they pulled it off. Also, sorry for the long comment. I get overzealous when I talk about this stuff and can’t simplify anything I have to say ☠️
Thank you "Constant Reader" for your comments. You and I are on the same page when it comes to these two books.
I read the comment. Thanx for it all. I also have the same habit of large commenting.😂 I mean, one wants to "explain" it, right? I am trying to make it concise tho.
Well, you actually helped me understand both of the movies. I never read the Books, and you gave me understanding. Thanks! 😊👍🏼
31:39: I read somewhere that Danny and Abra really were related, but ofc didn't know it. Jack Torrance had an affair, and Abra's Mom is his daughter. Something like that. This was in the books at least.
The book is phenomenal, and it's actually more forgiving then the movie honestly. It also has a better ending.
Small book spoiler:
He is her real uncle
i think it was rebecca ferguson that said that jacob tremblay finished the scene where they kill him and just got up, high five his dad and went to eat like nothing happened lol and he was like 12 years old they were all so impressed by him
King's works are already an "extended universe" . They are almost all connected by the Dark Tower as an overarching series.
This movie is a masterpiece. Fantastic sequel for "The Shining"
excellent cast, excellent camera work, excellent effects, excellent music cover, a good script and reverence for the original
That's how all sequels should be made
Abra: Psychically experiences the brutal torture murder of a helpless child at the hands of horrifying monsters.
Reaction? Time to hunt....
No need to worry about her. She's a Slayer.
She's a Gun Slinger through and through.
It's got to be a personal preference thing. I loved this movie way more than The Shining. The book (The Shining) was way scarier than the movie, so that might have impacted my enjoyment of it. It seemed kind of tame in comparison. You talked about this one feeling longer, but for me it was the opposite! I checked my watch a few times during The Shining, but this one made me completely forget about the run time, it pulled me in so thoroughly
Best way i can describe the true knot, is that theyre vampires who eat Shine.
I like how King takes the vampire concept and then molds it into different forms. Pennywise is also a vampire, but one who feeds on fear. In "The Dark Tower", we meet another vampire who feeds on laughter (his victims literally laugh to death).
Rose calls him Crow Daddy because 1) he's Crow, and 2) he's the father figure of the tribe, and she's the mother figure. She turned him during the French-Indian Wars, that's the backstory.
Abra has more than other vampire tribes to worry about. In the SKCU, there's also The Shop and The Institute, who would want her psychic abilities for their projects.
Jack was played by Henry Thomas (from E.T.: THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL). They offered the part to Jack Nicholson (who they would've de-aged) for 1-2 days' work, but he retired in 2010, so he declined.
Stephen King movies? Sure:
CHRISTINE
PET SEMATARY (1989)
FIRESTARTER (1984)
THE STORM OF THE CENTURY
MISERY
THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION
THE GREEN MILE
THE NIGHT FLIER
THE MIST
THE DEAD ZONE
NEEDFUL THINGS (There's a 3-hour TV version which is superior to the theatrical version; Kino Lorber is releasing it, so you might be able to stream it in a month or 2)
SILVER BULLET
DOLORES CLAIBORNE
CHILDREN OF THE CORN (1984)
Abra may still have to deal with the Sombra/Trans Corporation too depending on where this would fall on the various Dark Tower timelines. Sombra always looking for Beam Breakers and Abra would probably be as powerful or more so than Sheemie or Ted Brautigan (I think that was the old fella's name).
Oh she's way more powerful than Ted and Sheemie. She's probably the kid with the brightest shine who don't get consumed from within (girl from Firestarter and Carrie being good examples).
Stephen King is great at showing how our past can affect our present. No greater example can be found than both Doctor Sleep and It.
Lol... Abra is vicious - love that.
This was such a great follow-up to The Shining. Real shame that the film bombed at the box office.
It always sucks when a good movie bombs at the box office and a crap film makes a ton of money!
Yes avatar and Avatar 2 I'm looking at you! style over substance
@@JohnDoe-bz4yl I 100% agree with this.
Take heart. It actually did well in streaming.
I don’t know if you noticed, the little girl Violet in the very beginning of the movie is played by Violet McGraw who was Cady, the main character in M3gan. Also, the cat Azrael is named after Azrael, the Angel of Death in Hebrew mythology. I did read the book Dr Sleep, the movie is pretty close to the book. As for an extended universe for Stephen King, many of his stories do intertwine. In the story Dolores Claiborne, Dolores references Shawshank prison and so many stories take place in Castle Rock, Maine like Stand By Me, Needful Things and Pet Semetary. It is in Derry which is also in Maine.
Azrael is very much an angel. Depending on which thing is proposing the lore, Az is the 'reaper' for the angels.
Have you seen Gerald's Game? This is another amazing Mike Flanagan film that could be very much worth a reaction. It was his first Stephen King adaptation.
I haven’t read The Shining but I know that at the end it reveals that Tony is supposed to be his future self, and that his middle name is Anthony, hence Tony. And that’s why Tony knows the things he does and shows Danny what’s gonna happen
i love the charecter abra because of how accepting she is of her strength and not scared of it like young people in other movies who are extreamly strong
Doctor Sleep is so fantastic.
If im not wrong Stephen King gave a lot of props to this movie as well as the IT's newer movies. So if the author says this are such great movies, what can we say about it.
King even said it made him finally able to accept Kubrick's film, so that says something right there.
The kid scene was gruesome!
Holly Cow i stayed traumatized
Rebecca as Rose the Hat stole the movie for me. She was just so addicting to watch and I wanted more of her and the true knot (I've read the book)
For other Stephen King adaptations, I highly recommend Storm of the Century. It was a 3-part miniseries that aired on ABC back in 1999. King wrote the screenplay himself, which was released as a book leading up to the show. He's since called it his favorite TV production. I was fortunate enough to watch it when it originally aired, and I agree with him. Another movie worth checking out is 1408, which is an adaptation of one of his short stories. I don't want to go into any details, though. The less you know going in to these, the better.
What an astute reaction video! This movie redeems Jack Torrance, and therein lies the problem. Kubrick’s Jack Torrance is unredeemable, but Stephen King’s Jack wasn’t. I really like DOCTOR SLEEP, but it’s a good King adaptation, not a masterpiece in its own right like Kubrick’s film. The best sequels enlarge the meaning and scope of the previous movies (THE GODFATHER, PART II immediately comes to mind), but DOCTOR SLEEP doesn’t do that. In spite of all the impressive reproductions from THE SHINING, DOCTOR SLEEP is Stephen King’s world, not Stanley Kubrick’s. But maybe that’s how it should be.
Dan is actually her uncle in the book. Abbra’s mom is his half sister because Jack Chester on Wendy.
I know it’s sacrilegious to say but I think this is a better movie than The Shining. Rebecca Ferguson is scary as hell and Jacob Tremblay as the baseball kid is incredible.
God Stella just looks glowing
The thing that makes King's books good isn't really the plot or even how scary his stories are, it's how believable the characters are and the degree to which you connect with them. His strength is emotional and psychological realism when he takes you into their internal dialogue. The books are great, but generally this doesn't translate well into film, which is why so many of the movies made from his books are really pretty bad. Even the good ones like Pet Sematary are just a pale echo of the book. Mike Flanagan is a huge Stephen King fan and you can tell. He's one of the few directors who seems able to translate King's characters into film and still retain the things you loved about them when reading the book. It's hard to explain but his movie *feels* like the book, and that isn't something you see very often with King's film adaptations.
And if you really think about this movie and the potential it had to totally bomb, it's amazing that he pulled this off. Not only are King's books notoriously unsuited for film adaptations, but he also had to satisfy fans of the original film, which was more Kubrick's than King's, while staying true to King's novel. In anybody else's hands, this would have been a disaster but he managed to make a pretty entertaining film out of it.
I also think it's unfair to compare this film with Kubrick's. Kubrick's film is really an art film, for lack of a better term, whereas Flanagan's film doesn't have nearly as lofty aspirations. Doctor Sleep is just supposed to be entertainment, like both of King's novels, and doesn't take itself nearly as seriously.
Great video, guys!
Not a movie, but Mike Flanagan's "Midnight Mass" also deserves a watch, and then some. A brilliant horror movie with gave me all the feels (and one of my favourite antagonists ever).
Midnight Mass is sooooooooo good!!!
Thanks so much for doing this movie! Yes. It was actually the same office as the interview in the shining.
Ouija: Origin of Evil by Mike Flanagan is an excellent horror movie if you haven't already reacted to it. We also get to see several of his returning actors he's used in previous work which is great with his shows/movies.
“Is this a deep-fake CGI jack nicholson?”
“I think it’s a bit of both, but no this is an actor”
NOT JUST AN ACTOR, it’s friggin’ Elliot from E.T. !! 😭 i aged myself with this one, but I had this realization when watching Haunting of Hill House and realized he’s the dad.. and almost lost it. 😭😭😭😭
Mike Flannigan reminds me of how Adam Sandler always casts his regular players, so it’s fun seeing familiar actors from his other works in his projects. In this movie he called back : Hugh Crane to be Jack Torrence, little Ellie to be Violet, Mr. Dudley as one of the cult members and Jacob Tremblay was called back from another of Mike Flannigan’s movies “Before I Wake”. He also makes sure to cast his wife in bunch of his stuff too (Theo from HOHH).
If it makes you feel better Abra’s dad and Billy don’t die in the book!!
This director did a great job of combining this book, and the shining book/movie
The True Knot targets children because the shine diminishes as people age. Child Danny Torrance would probably have been a huge feast. Adult Danny Torrance, not so much. But Abra is more powerful than even Danny. And she is very aware it's real, but she suppresses a lot to spare her parents because she knows it disturbs them. I don't think they touch on it in the movie, but Abra is actually Dan's niece, her mother the product of an affair Jack had with a student while he was teaching.
In the end commentary, you talked about the IT movies, and I just wanted to point out that they added a lot more to the remakes that weren't in the original, because they had that 2 part idea, and watching both the original, and the remakes, just gives you more to the story that wasn't able to be portrayed originally
And I'm definitely hoping they make a TV show version that there seems to be rumors of
Stella asked about SK movies - Sometimes They Come Back & Sleep walkers weren't huge, but when I watched them way back when I was a teenager, I enjoyed them.
The way the novel ends it hints that the True Knot cult was not completely destroyed. There are still members, financial assets (like $1B), and contacts around the globe. Though it seemed Rose the Hat's group was the core and they were destroyed. But another movie could happen.
One thing, I'm never going to look at RVs on the interstate the same way ever again.
I have this and and the Director's Cut on Blu Ray.
There were talks of a prequel to the movie, called Halloran, but due to the poor box office performance, $72 million dollars against a $50 million dollar budget, the prequel was cancelled.
Mike Flanagan might direct a film about Abra Stone, and Stephen King is said to be onboard for the project.
Ye that's a shame, I felt like Dick Halloran ended up as nothing but a prop to get the working snowcat to Wendy and Danny at the Outlook before being murdered practically seconds after he walked in.
Given his long stint at the Outlook it seems rather strange that the hotel didn't prevent Jack from doing that.
@@mnomadvfx Halloran had terrible luck. He was also stationed in Derry (Yes THAT Derry) in the 1930s and iirc either escaped or was luckily not present for the Black Spot fire that ended IT's cycle prior to the mid/late 50s feeding cycle we are familiar with with The Losers Club.
I'd be interested in seeing Abra grown up, as long as they follow up on her having a darkness inside and don't just make her a paragon heroine.
Rose the Hat's "cult" is called the True Knot, and they're a group of Psychic Vampires. This movie (and the novel) is so awesome because, as I described it to my friends, it's all about Danny Torrence growing up and using his _Shining_ abilities to become a Psychic Vampire Hunter.
_The Shining_ is just a name for psychic ability, and Danny and Abra are probably the two most powerful psychics left on Earth; in the _Dr. Sleep_ novel, Danny is Abra's _actual_ uncle. Jack Torrence had an affair with his teaching assistant before he tried to sober up when Danny was a boy, and the affair resulted in a daughter, a half-sister to Danny; Danny's half-sister eventually had her own daughter, Abra. (Although Danny and Abra aren't shown to be related in the movie, I think they still are; that's why Abra's mother is white, and why she was able to form such a strong psychic connection with Danny, because her mother is actually Jack's daughter and Abra and Danny are close relatives.) Either way, it's really nice that in the movie Abra still develops an uncle-like relationship with him and ends up calling him "Uncle Danny" anyway.
Because Psychic Vampires like the True Knot have been hunting down and eating all the _Shining_ children around the world for so long, it has resulted in the slow elimination of the psychic trait from humanity since there have been fewer and fewer of them who get to grow and have children of their own to pass on the trait onto. These Psychic Vampires have been slowly culling the genes for the _Shining_ psychic ability from the human gene pool over the course of _who knows how many_ centuries. And these Psychic Vampires would almost certainly go after _Shining_ people when they're still children because, well, it's just _easier_ to get children, since they haven't matured yet and learned to defend themselves, either psychically _or_ psychically like Danny learned with the psychic ghost box. (It isn't like there are any schools out there to teach children psychic defenses. The closest thing in the world of the Stephen King novels is _The Shop,_ the secret government organization from _Firestarter_ that trained the little psychic girl to be a pyrokinetic living weapon. That organization isn't exactly friendly or benevolent.)
Also pretty funny how this movie is 100x more disturbing than the Exorcist so I'm impressed you got through it
fantastic movie. that ive only seen once because the baseball boy scene scarred me for life.
This movie is almost the same as the book and I did enjoy the every second of it. I am a big Stephen King fan and there are lots of his books that I've enjoyed like The Shining series, The Stand, Rose Madder and lot more.
Thank you for this reaction.
Yeeees, this movie was so awesome in theaters with surround sound!
Fun fact: we were supposed to get a prequel to The Shining called Doctor Sleep: Halloran based on how Mr. Halloran obtained his shine, the ghosts of The Overlook and the way Halloran grew up with it all, but since Doctor Sleep was a flop (Sadly), it was completely scrapped
:( I hope Flanagan re-considers making the movie or even a series for streaming services some time. I reeeeeaaaally want a back story.
1:01:02 "I think where it really SHINES is those callbacks to the original movie" HAHA I see what ya did there
This film is outstanding! I really love everything about it. The Shining is great, but I do think Doctor Sleep is A LOT better than the original.
Same
Agreed
I’m amazed they think The Shining is better. The Shining is visually great and artistic, Doctor Sleep I thought was way more clever, engaging, and character driven
I REALLY like this movie, because I kept feeling like the good guys were winning, scene after scene. There were the really dark spots, such as baseball boy, but on balance the Shiners continued to kick the ghosts in the teeth. Stories almost never play out this way, because it's just not done. But it's do-able, and really satisfying when stories break that tradition.
The fact that it is it's own story and it's own thing is what makes it an amazing sequel. Too many sequels are just ok lets do that first movie over again but different.
Yeah, it made me think what makes a "sequel" a "sequel". Because it doesn't feel like a traditional sequel.
@@bodhipeace its hard to say nut if you look at something lile john wick a sequel is the same character performing the same actions due to different circumstances. Which is fine. But i think in the case of doctor sleep its following a character from the original story, dealing with different actions due to different circumstances. I dont think a sequel to the shining where its just some other family at the overlook needed to exist. Also the original was called the shining, not the overlook and i think doctor sleep does a good job at expanding and explaining the shining beyond the original story in a meaningful way as opposed to just giving the audience more of the same.
The part with the baseball kid the adults who played the killers were so upset by how realistic his acting was that they had to stop and make sure he was ok and Jacob was like “Yeah I’m acting” lol
When i first saw baseball boy's death, i felt too much, i felt so scared and sad. He was just a child and he was in so much pain
The bartender was played by Henry Thomas, best known as Elliot in ET
So glad you watched this. Such an underrated horror movie. It’s awesome.
The more I watch it the more I like it. Shining is better sure but this isn't bad. Plus Ewan and Rebecca are always great.
My mom died in the house I grew up in. Thankfully, my dad was there when she left me. This film makes me wonder if I should work in hospice since I'll never have kids and I owe the universe comfort for those of us that may not have anyone.
Also, Flanagan's adaptation of Shirley Jackson's novel for Hill House was both respectful and elevated. So much of the novel is in the series but he updated and expanded it into basically a masterpiece. Both are really enjoyable for what they are.
The scene where Abra is shining to find Rose and her room rotates then she ends up in Rose' head while she is grocery shopping is my FAVORITE movie effect in the film! So awesome and chilling. The score for this film was one of my favorotes in recents films next to SMILE
Wished Abra would’ve gotten more of a character develompent. Now it just seems she’s gonna grow up to be just like the Hat, person-wise that is.
The shinning is definitely better but it’s also a classic that can never be redone so I think for the length of time it took to finally make this into a movie they did amazing with it definitely to me at least lives up to the book and of course we want to know what happens to Dany I’m happy he didn’t end up like his dad I know he still drank but you can tell the difference in the characters and how they went about everything
Kudos...your ladies are On Point! Love your reactions and your critique......genuine and organic. This movie is one of my top five Bests!...Again,thanks!!
This movie treats Jack Torrence like the original Shining book did...a lot more sympathetic...and therefore tragic, when he loses his mind. In the book, he really was a good person first, but then got taken over by addiction (and the ghosts who weaponized his addiction). It's really fantastic stuff that I've always thought (and King himself has thought) the Kubrick version got very very wrong. In the movie the shining, he was basically batshit nuts (and a huge dick) right from the start. Don't get me wrong, I loved the original movie...I just loved the book more. And this movie really treats it's characters way better (including Jack) just like both books did.
In the Doctor Sleep novel, Danny actually IS Abra's uncle. When Jack got fired from teaching, he had an affair with Abra's grandmother, making Danny her maternal half-uncle. Also, The Shining novel reveals Danny's full name is Daniel ANTHONY Torrance, heavily implying 'Tony' is a future Danny.
meanwhile in the film they aren't even the same species
With the baseball references. Stephen King wrote a book called Blockade Billy about a boy who could play Baseball. The Cornfield that the boy walks past is also in Children of the Corn, and finally his number 19, is referenced in so many of his stories. All of his books are interlinked in some way and having 19 in the film is a fantastic nod to the master of Horror.
This movie is better than the book, a hard thing to pull off. My recommendation is the original The Haunting (1963) - still considered one of the best Haunted House fims ever made.
The Shining (movie) thoroughly disturbed me, but this one made me feel relaxed lol (except the baseball kid’s death, I almost cried then), and I mean that in a good way. I love a story that can turn logic on its head in an engaging way, and this one succeeds at that. Loved all the scenes of mind-rummaging, and the shining back and forth between Dan and Abra.
I’ve never had *that* close of a connection with The Shining, but I also got almost emotional at the blood elevators (also that interpolation of the Dies Irae went hard, I got so hyped when it played!).
It definitely felt like a modern movie, compared to Kubrick’s alienating film, but it never felt cheap or lacking in effort. I could definitely see myself giving this a rewatch. I might even pick up some Stephen King books - never read the source material, but I developed a new appreciation for his work through this movie!
15:22 Yeah that reaction from the girl on the left was my reaction to what the other girl said, too. LOL
First comes the Overlook absorbing people, and then Hill House and Bly Manor, then the director of the latter gets to work on Doctor Sleep. So cool.
The films director Mike Flanagan also created*/produced/showran Netflix's Haunting of Hill House and Bly Manor.
*adapted from pre existing novels.
That explsins the random Henry Thomas cameo as Jack Torrance.
This was a great movie. I think they did a wonderful job continuing Dan’s story and connecting it to the first movie.
30:26 - Probably one of the greatest scenes to be seen in a movie theater. I was just sitting there amazed at how the sound and the overall beauty of it was. Hearing thst heartbeat pump faster and faster!
A lesser known Stephen King movie, but I think a very entertaining one, is Dreamcatchers. I liked it a lot. And really recommend it
Azrael is an archangel from the bible, and is commonly known as the Angel of Death. Props for naming the mortality-sensitive cat Azrael. 😅
Fire starter, and the movie starring young Drew Berrymore
i have not read many of stephen king's books, but i liked the stand alot, by the way fun fact, the guy who plays dannys father in this is henry thomas who was elliot in E.T. and many other films.
Supposedly, the adult actors had a pretty tough time filming the scene with Jacob Tremblay because his acting is just so visceral
45:39 Is it weird that I feel like the hotel is less creepy now that it-
when it's all abandoned?
..looks really rundown?
A little bit, yeah..
'Cause I feel it's almost..
because it doesn't feel like it's trying to trick you.
Yeah, it's almost worse when it's *pristine* and abandoned.
The Overlook has its own life and thus malevolence. It is its own character and the cinematography lets us feel that where, in the first film, it very slowly creeps up on us, because there's the rational reason why it's all clean and pristine: staff maintain it during the active season and it's occupied by guests, and the Torrance family is hired to keep it running. Places being their own characters occurs a lot, especially in horror, but Kubrick really makes you realize you've been "within its clutches" the whole time, and Flanagan works into that: the Overlook being dead all these decades suggests it lost all its power during that time since it hasn't exercised it.
25:49 Danny in the books is also WAY beyond a regular shine
Don't get me wrong, Abra is much more powerful then he was at her age, he said that himself, but he was NOT a regular kid
He also had the ability to astral project, plus he had something that not even Abra demonstrated: he could see the future
Right at the beginning of the shinning, while he was waiting for his dad to return from the Hotel, His mother was afraid the car had broken down in the middle of the road so he just astral project himself to where his dad was to make sure he was fine, and then he got curious about the hotel so he project himself there to know how it looked like and ended up having a vision of the day his dad would try to kill him, which it was like 6 months away
Snake Bite Andi, the pusher girl, has same ability as Charlie Magee's father in Firestarter. True Knot are true hunters. Notice with poor little Violet how they stood just far enough apart much like wolves where the prey could only see one of them at once?
After watching this movie, you can see how they depict the line from the song "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around".
When the witch, Stevie Nicks, sings "Make a meal of some bright-eyed kid."
Do you know where you are?
Imagine a series of this, going down through the eras, different bad guys, different good guys, multiple seasons, different actors for each of them.....Could be soooooo good!
Also, and completely off topic from above but, i recently found out that The Running Man movie was taken from a short story written by Stephen King, using his alias Richard Bachman.....Blew my mind to find out King wrote a 1984 like story, which when re-watching The Running Man recently i noticed that's what the movie is, and completely missed it as a youngster. So i wanted to know who wrote the original story/script and was shocked to find out it was King.
Flanagan also did Geralds game (Netflix) featuring the mom from Hill House. He's a big King fan of course. The books are a great adventure and personally Doctor Sleep was much scarier Book due to the fact King was already able to define what the Shining was in the Dark Tower Series and explored it further with Doctor sleep
Not just the Mum (Carla Gugino), it featured Bruce Greenwod who plays the Doctor leading AA here. and Henry Thomas and Kate Siegel as her parents too. And if you think Henry Thomas plays an "evil Dad" in Doctor Sleep, folks, his scenes in Geralds Game will knock your socks off...
Mike Flanagan is a SUCH an underrated director. Hands down my favorite in horror currently, and for the past 6 years or so. Top notch stuff.
In the book its explained that Abra is ACTUALLY Danny's niece, when his father was a professor he had an affair with a student who turns out to be Abra's Momo (grandma) which would make Abra's mom Danny's sister
Appreciate the movie recommendation. I didn't know there was a sequel to The Shining. I like your commentary too.
I really like this movie, and I don't think there is a need to compare this movies of course they are connected but I look at this as separate movies.
I know a lot of people "loved" Kubrick's The Shining. I did not. I read the book when it was released, and The Shining was fubar in my opinion. Flanagan did an amazing adaptation of Dr. Sleep given Kubrick's film. If you get the opportunity, please read both books. All will be explained and make sense.
I agree with you. Stephen King hated Stanley Kubrick's version. I don't think it would have been near as popular if Jack Nicholson hadn't been in it.
Azrael is an archangel responsible for carrying the souls of the dead to their afterlife. Coincidently it's also the name of Gargamel's cat in the Smurfs. Makes you wonder if Stephen King was going for the Angel of Death lore...or was just perhaps a really big Smurf fan? Maybe both?
All Stephen King roads lead to The Dark Tower, his epic fantasy series that took decades to write and is the culmination of all his tropes and themes. There has been a dark tower movie made and Amazon is funding a series, but who knows when that will happen
King adaptions are very hit and miss. Christine, the stand (not the recent one), it and misery are some of my favourites.
Honourable mention for Flanagan's adaption of Geralds game. Watched that on Netflix recently and really enjoyed it.
Flanagan also adapted Kings novel Geralds Game, and his 2 king adaptations are 100% the best King adaptations ever