Hornby Railways RS.651 Freightmaster Set
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- Опубликовано: 8 апр 2022
- A look over a version the Freightmaster train set of 1972 by Hornby Railways. This contains an oval of System 6 track an uncoupling ramp along with a R.357 class 31 / Brush type 2 Diesel Locomotive in green livery and seven wagons R.123 GWR Horse Box, R.122 Cattle Wagon, R.15 United Dairies Milk Tank wagon, R.18 Cable Drum Wagon, R.340 BR Three Container Wagon, R.113 Goods Wagon with Drop sides and BR Brake Van . All dates are approximate Music Source / Royalty-free Apple loops/
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Absolutely superb entertainment today Oscar. Great to see you bring this set back to life, the Class 31 looks powerful after the re-mag and is drawing a healthy low current now. The wheel spacing seems to suit the System 6 points and diamond well just like Super 4, a great power bogie. I think the Minic Motorways range was at its largest in that Catalogue. So many pavement and verge options. If I was running that system in the sixties the though of a tank would have been too much to resist. I would have parked in the chicane and despatched my rival. Take care, all the best to you
Good morning Mr Snooze the certainly are a lot of items in that motorway range, think of the poor retailer trying to carry that many parts! Fantastic potential play value within the range, especially if you were lucky enough to combine it with the railway range.
Take care.
Oscar
I remember that toilet paper, they used to use it in the schools. Our teacher would send a child to the toilets to get some to use as tracing paper! It was great growing up in the 70s!
I agree, the road system and accessories look fantastic, but I think it best to leave other enthusiasts to collect this! All the best. Gordon
"Izal" there. I said it!
@@kevmc291 I think you're correct. It certainly made better tracing paper than loo roll 🤣
I got the Freightmaster Train Set for my birthday in the mid 1960s when I was about 9 or 10. It had the same A1A (TOPs Class 31) BR green loco but some different wagons including the Tri-ang Toys container wagon. It was one of the best birthday presents I ever had! Thanks for the memories Oscar!
Good morning Peter thanks for watching and taking the time to write this terrific comment, glad the video brought back great memories take care.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley Thanks again Oscar for your kind reply!
Superb reviews. I like your 'down to earth' presentation for novices like me ! 🤤
I had the ships and docks by minic and the "plastic sea" was a flexible blue/green sheet with a "sea"pattern on it.Brilliant program as usual.Thanks
Good morning Chris glad you enjoyed that, Great to hear you had these terrific looking items.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
I had the 1973 R.507 Freightmaster set when I was 9 years old. I have three of the sets now and filmed it with a modern class 31 with sound, although all three of my locos work of but need cleaning. My set featured the Fyffes banana van that could only be bought with that set. I have a few of those extra two. As a kid, they were filled with German troops and were always ambushed by the RM Comandoes. The set was featured in the 19th edition of the catalgue, also in 1973.
Hi thanks for watching, sounds like you have a terrific collection of items from the range. The Fyffes Banana vans are quite lovely items.
Take care.
Oscar
Another Great video 📹 Oscar Thanks for the Hornby Memories Keep safe
Oh my
I should have not watched this video with earphones. That 31 is incredibly noisy! Great video as per usual Oscar
I managed to get a Freightmaster set back in 2018. I’d wanted one since I was a boy when I went to an exhibition with my dad in Keighley, W Yorks in about 1974. Bless him, we weren’t made of money, but he managed to get a second hand Blue 31 and half a dozen random wagons including a Blue Circle wagon, a BR Blue van and a GW toad, as well as some shortie Mk1 carriages 😎
However, I always remembered that set I had seen. Thus, when one came up for a bargain price in 2018, I couldn’t say no! The owner had it since a boy and only let me have it because he knew I wanted to keep it! He even threw in a Car-a-Belle with cars and two more tanker wagons! 🤪
The set I’ve got is all cardboard so must pre-date yours. I also have the prams container truck and the brake van is the shorter version whereas yours seems the slightly later version 😉 The loco is utterly spotless but I need. To give it a full service. You’d barely believe it is now 50 years old! 😅
Cheers Oscar, great fun as usual 😎👍🍀🍻
Good morning Tim thanks again for watching, sounds like a great set of items your father got for you. The Freightmaster set you've got yourself sounds like a lovely item with its all cardboard box, I think you're right it will be a little earlier than the one I have.
Take care.
Oscar
Ha!....8 pounds 75...my first wage in 1973 was 9 pounds...
I have just bought the later set of this with the window box ('75?)and awaiting it's arrival along with the Hopper Ore set which is coming with four wagons instead of the one...Happy with my purchases considering the Ore set was the equivalent of 14 pounds.
Great informative video as always.
Brian
I remember my cousin had a Minic car set when I was around 7 or 8.Absolutely blew my mind.
Hello Oscar! Another great video making my Sunday a more beautiful day. Great models and your layout is splendid! Cheers!
Enjoyed this week's episode very much. Thank you Oscar. Have no idea if it has been mentioned but for a few years the Class 31 was available cunningly disguised as a New South Wales 422 Class! Perhaps the trip to Australia wore out the moulds!
Good morning Stephen thanks again for watching and the terrific information.
Take care.
Oscar
By the time of the 31 repaint into a 422 the Australian factory had shut down. Would need to check but I think it was 1969 that the last few models were assembled from UK parts in Australia but this was limited to track only by 1969. Source was the Hornby guide website.
I have the 20th Edition catalogue of 1974 in front of me with the Hornby Railways of Australia insert. I am happy to scan and send it if you give me an email address.
"The spitfire running from last week" - They don't make em like they used to! - Are you tapped into next doors electric?🤣They're not broken! they have character😉 I now understand the reason for track undelay. "That" paper was made round here! Newton Chambers, the "medication" was a by product of the coking plants, in schools throughout the land! Another good trip down memory lane Os.
Oh I thought he was referring to Izal? It had a smell that I wonder was related to the coking?
@@antmerritt It was medicated with an oil from the coking process, oiled smooth paper - slip sliding away, somethings never leave you😱
This was my first train set in October 1969. The 31 was in BR blue. Think the Headcode was 1A11. The track was Super4. The set had the UD tanker, the Pedigree container wagon, the dropside wagon, guards van, horsebox in BR bauxite, cable drum wagon . Great trip down memory lane. Cheers Euan
Hi Oscar a good video for the class 31 and i consider this as one of triang best diesel locos ,regarding the armature bearings there is a chap on eBay that does replacement bearings for the class 31 and 37 and I've got some on order now from him
Absolutely fabulous Oscar, it's so beautiful to see these older models still in life. I've got all of those wagons, kindly given to me well I say me but in reality for my grandkids by my next door neighbour who had them in the late 50s and early 60s and loves to encourage them into the hobby. I liked to kid in you just had to be able to get that short burst of speed, always saying to the grandkids slow down you'll throw the wagons off. (Still it has to be done). Always enjoy the play value of these models the little extras like drop sides on wagons, I've got a couple of coal wagons that have a drop door on the sides and a parcel van where the doors open, the kids find them very playable. Enjoyed this week thanks . Eddy xx
Thanks Eddie glad you enjoyed that, sounds like you have some terrific items there and you're all having great fun with them.
Take care.
Oscar
Evening Oscar, missed the video this morning but have just enjoyed it now. Nice enjoyable me time, armed with coffee and few biscuits, so nice to see the SRs still out on the railway. The true enjoyment came when you brought back to life the freight master set. Nice to see the care one takes over bringing all back not just the engine but also the rolling stock. Thankyou agian for an enjoyable video. All best Marc
Hi Marc glad you enjoyed the video with your coffee and biscuits. Thanks for watching and taking the time to write these kind words it's always very much appreciated.
Take care.
Oscar
A great video with lots to learn and enjoy, thank you Oscar. There must be two versions of the wonderful '64 catalogue as mine has prices actually printed against the items on the pages and they are indeed the same as the ones written on yours. Thanks again, always a treat.
Good morning Peter thanks again for watching and the terrific information it's great to hear about your version of the catalogue with the printer prices.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar, a couple of years ago I took a deep breath and where possible, replaced all the plastic wheels on my rolling stock and locos with metal ones. It cost a bit, but the track and wheels stay so much cleaner now, rolling friction is reduced, and derailments have been almost completely eliminated. You really took me back to junior school in the 1960s - from the playground we could see (about half a mile away) the branch line to Great Dunmow leave the main line and make its way up a very steep slope. The loco was always a Class 31 and it was always pulling a short freight train, passenger services having been discontinued. Oh, I had the car ferry set for my Minic stuff, so it did make it into production (although you'd wait in vain for many of the "available later" items to appear). It was one of the best things Minic ever produced but sadly, all I have left of it is the plastic sea.
Good morning Roger thanks again for the information sharing those great memories, is terrific to hear you're still have the plastic see.
Take care.
Oscar
A great video Oscar. I’ve got half way through and had to pause as you put the motor on the rolling road. Will have to watch the rest later but a very interesting set. Thanks for starting my Sunday. Roy.
Managed to get back and watch the second half, Oscar. That Freightliner train ran really well after your fettling and cleaning even though it was a bit noisy. Amazing how it managed all the points and even the gradients didn’t cause a problem. Well done and thanks again. Roy.
Glad you enjoyed it Roy.
Take care.
Oscar
Great video Oscar. The set cleaned up well and ran great. They made some great stuff. Take care.
Good morning Adrian they certainly did make some very exciting items for both the railway and motorway ranges.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
I can't add anything that hasn't been said by everyone else here. Wonderful longer video that was full of interesting things. 😊
Hi thanks Pauline glad you found a video enjoyable take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar, Excellent video and as always a real treat seeing those wonderful old catalogues . The Model-Land De-havilland Trident plane was made by Tom Carfrea and did indeed taxi/steer. Sadly due to high production costs and low retail orders many models from 1964 including the Minic Motorways fairground range never went into production . Tom on his retirement at Hornby very much wanted the De-havilland as a parting gift , but as with so many preproduction models , it had long disappeared from the storeroom . All the best, Paul.
Good morning Paul thanks again for watching and providing the terrific information it's very much appreciated take care.
Oscar
Great video again mate.👍
Great video. I remember the days when a train set cost £8. My wage was £20 a week then.
Old money - 20 shillings to the pound, so 100s = £5.00. I was lucky enough to get a freightmaster set recently, minus the box. Those power bogies always seem to need fettling but run well for a while once you've got them set up. I have a lot of Minic too - including the car transporter. The top deck of the transporter slides backwards and downwards and locates in the slot of the track so that cars can drive from the track on to the bottom deck, and then on to the ramp too, to be manually lifted up into travelling position. Thanks for sharing, as always. Mike
Good morning Mike great to hear you have the items from the freight master set and a good collection of Minic. The car transporter sounds like a wonderful item thank you for describing its operation. These items are such a lovely examples of toy design with plenty of a value in mind.
Take care.
Oscar
You did an incredible job of bringing this old set back to life Oscar, it performed very well if a bit noisey. I've always been disappointed by the performance of my class 31 but after seeing this video perhaps it is time to revisit it. Perhaps I need to invest in a re-magnetizer.
Regards, David.
Good morning David Great to hear you have one of these model locomotives in your collection. I've been told by a number of others that some of these motor bogies were bad from day one on the 37,31 and EM2, noisy and poor runners from new. The play in the bearings can be quit something even from new and then bearing supports can also begin to disintegrate with age or may be damaged when originally installed. I think there was a huge variability in the quality in production of these bearings over the years. The re-magnetizer is a great tool, it can really bring a model back to life, some magnets may lose there power over time and if a motor has been dismantled in its past life, it's a very handy to restore the magnet in motor.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar yet again good job on the video with you locomotives & your layout thank you Oscar all the best to you 😎👍👍🇬🇧🚂
Thank you Jamie take care.
Oscar
Great video there Oscar from the Looks of the set it must have been a very good one to get back when it was first released.
Thank you David I think you're right it must be very exciting to receive one of these, an impressive set full of place value.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar
Great video this week lots of new content, liked the new frightmaster set that 31 will run in and be a lot quieter after a bit of running in. I especially liked the mini catalogue as I have never seen that, I must see if I can acquire one. Loved it all today nice one.
Regards paul osman
Hi Paul, glad you enjoyed the content in this weeks video thanks again for watching and the kind words.
Take care.
Oscar
Thanks again Oscar for another great video the class 31 is great model the one i have is blue but noisy like yours well take care till next week Mel nz
Good morning Mel, thanks again, it's a lovely looking model locomotive, great to hear you have one.
Take care.
Oscar
Great video - takes me back! BTW, no need to apologise about background motorbike noises when you're running a 1972 Hornby class 31 around your track! You must have very good neighbours!
My first ever train set!
135/ shillings in 1964 that’s £5.75 = £123 in 2021. £8.75 in 1972 is in 2021 money £125 according to the Treasury inflation calculator. Seems very good value to me - no doubt a reason the business had financial difficulties at that time.
135 shillings was close to seven quid. 20 shillings to the pound.
good vid thanks lee
Glad you enjoyed it.
Oscar
Amen!
I was born in 68 so never got to know the pre decimal money I was 3 when it came in ,managed to get a mint green in box a lovely blue one and a blue with small yellow ends just for the collection ,blimey my son will be rich when I fall off my perch 😂,all the best Oscar ,mark 👍🏻😊
Thanks again Mark that's a lovely collection of those you have.
Take care.
Oscar
135 shiilings is £ 6 15 shillings or after money went Metric in Feb 71 ( I worked for Dixon's at High Holborn at the time)
so became £6 and 75 new P.
God I'm old.
I remember the catalogue with the Blue Pullman I was 10 and I wanted EVERYTHING IT.
To have a trainset like yours Oscar was all I dreamt about until I turned 12 and had a mega crush on Miss at school.
Miss Reece from Wales
All teachers were Welsh back then
What is the board you use???
Keep em coming Oscar
Good morning Stephen the conversion from old to new money is much appreciated, thanks again for taking the time to watch and sharing your memories.
Take care.
Oscar
Good Grief. It's as good as the Dock Authority.
Ah the good old Freightmaster . My first trainset 1965 . She can certainly move , if noisy ! I think the 25 was considered the replacement for the 31 in the range . The 31 ended in 76 and the 25 came out in 77 . As you say the tooling had probably worn out , so she never got the Ringfield motor
Thanks Russell for watching and the terrific information, it's a shame they never put a ring field in these.
Take care.
Oscar
As a bench mark for prices Oscar a pair of all leather brogues cost me £5.99 from Stead and Simpsons in 1972.
A pint of Lager cost 15p and 20 cigs cost about 28p.😂
Good morning Peter thanks for the great information, it really helps puts things in perspective.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar, Great video again. I have just picked up another Brush Type 2(Class 31) in mint condition. It is the slightly later version with the extra pick-ups. So now except for the box I have managed to put together another the Freightmastter set. It was always the one train set I wanted as a kid and never got. So like the one I have just put together I had to get it piecemeal. For the silver paint on the handrails a chrome pen works really well to get them looking nice again. I am not sure, but I think that the plastic bearings between the worms and the armature to stop them moving about and being so noisy must be very worn. It is definitely more noisy that it should be. I do realize because the base board is acting like a sounding board it will be noisier may be part of the cause. I think that one of the reasons why they did not upgrade this engine was that there was better competition coming on to the scene in the form of the Airfix and later Lima class 31's. So it was not probably financially viable to do so at the time. All the best,
Good morning Gerard great to hear you have all the items that make up the Freightmaster. Thanks again for watching and the information it's very much appreciated take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar,
Great video of the RS651 set and the benefit of a clean was very obvious. It would be nice to get all these additions to the collection in pristine condition but sadly that is not realistic which makes the refurb and subsequent TLC all the more satisfying.
I have an R357 (D5578) in what I believe is experimental blue with pale blue window surrounds. According to the ‘Bible’ it was only made in 1962 if I’m reading correctly, so pleased to think it is not common.
Keep up the good work,
Gordon
Good morning Gordon great to hear you enjoyed the video, I think you're right that R.357 you have is the pretty one! first year of production for this model and only that livery for that year and just small batch made.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar. I have watched your latest Masterpiece Twice so I didn't miss any of your points. Using the Freightliner Set as a measure for UK Inflation over the period of the Two Featured Catalogues, the Minic Motorway Racing Car set would have been about £8.40 in 1972 and the Freightliner set around £5 in 1964/5. Looking into the Innovative ways on cost savings by Triang with paper labels on multipurpose packaging, compatibility of items from different ranges and the introduction of a New Track System using lighter gauge rails and less plastic on the sleeper beds, I can't see what the Triang Management could have done to run production more efficiently over the Freightliner Time Frame, Finally going under with a £4.5 Million loss. I beleive it was inevitable and stems from the United States implementing an aggressive inflation policy in 1965. If purchasing power is compared $1 to £1 since 1965 to now 1$ = $8.77 where as £1 = about £20 ( these figures are approx but should give an illustration of what happened ). To watch the Class 31 storming up the elevated section and going through the junctions was like seeing Geoff Hurst scoring the winning goal in the 66 World Cup, British Genius at its Best. Triang was a Victim of the United States desire to have the World Reserve Currency it wasn't down to Triang making Rubbish Products as You Prove with every episode. Looking forward to your next video. Best Wishes Tim
Good morning Tim glad you're enjoying the videos seeing these older Tri-ang Hornby items in action and thanks for taking the time to write this terrific comment it really is much appreciated.
Take care.
Oscar
Looking at the Minic range, it would seem we have gone backwards in many regards.
135/- =£ 135/20= £6.15/- = £6.75, I think. David.
I have this set and a tatty box, it was my mother in laws second husbands. I think I have three Brush type 2’s but the bottom plates on them are broken where they screw on and one has all the copper pickups totally damaged. These were used on steel work in doubles around Sheffield. They were all looked after at Tinsley shed by the marshalling yard.
Hi David, thanks for watching and the information. Great to hear you have the set.
Take care.
Oscar
The Cattle wagon is still in the Hornby railroad range today (in NB livery)
Hi Stephen thanks again for watching and the information.
Take care.
Oscar
And just abover it, in the catalogue was RS614, the first proper train set I had. Suddenly I was very young again and its got dusty in here for a moment. Great video as ever, guess they dropped the container wagon to get away from advertising Triang? I understand that some of the transition was a bit fraught over which brand names were useable by successor organisation.
Hi Andrew thanks for watching, great to hear you had the RS614 Pick Up Goods Set glad you enjoyed the video.
Take care.
Oscar
Hiya @ 7:38 Not sure if this is a newer version but I have a R1254 GWR Freight Train Set, but mine has a 0-6-0 & has a crane & 3 other wagons!!! I also have a Airfix Diesel A1A-A1A No. D5531 which came in its own Train Set 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Good morning James great to hear you have the Airfix version and that set looks like a terrific group of items.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Super video Oscar. I noticed the cable drums had black squares on the flat bottom, are they magnets to hold them on the wagon via the wagons weight? There's some super looking stuff in that minic system as well. Cheers Rob
Hi Rob sadly no magnets in the bottom of the cable drums they are just hollow, it would've been a great way to hold them on the wagon. I think I may give that a try. Thanks again for watching glad you're enjoyed seeing the motorway range of items.
Take care.
Oscar
The artwork on the boxes and the catalogs was superb in the old days, call me crazy but the photo-realistic ones we get now just don't get the heart going quite so much.
About the prices, they are in shillings and pence in the old money. It was customary to quote most ordinary goods in shillings, only the high-end stuff was quoted with pounds (and for the really luxurious places like auction houses and prize money winnings, guineas).
20 shillings in a pound, and 240 pence (12 pence to a shilling). The old prices certainly look good, but then you have to adjust for inflation.
On my old Hornby clockwork O gauge trains, the hand-written prices are often still on the boxes, and just for giggles I tallied up an engine and tender and got 4 pounds, 8 shillings, and 9 pence, which adjusted for inflation comes to roughly $100 US, so definitely not a cheap toy.
Good morning and thank you for watching and the great information on the pricing. You're right about the pictures on the boxes/catalogues, pin sharp photographs just don't convey the potential and excitement of the goods within. They don't interact with the imagination in the same way, there is almost too much information.
Take care.
Oscar
Hello Oscar
Tri-ang Brush Type 2 is one of my favourite engines. I think Tri-ang got the cab shape spot on, much better than the latest Hornby offering which is too boxy. I seem to remember you mentioning a modification to the spider assembly to correct any melting/distortion of the brush opening. Did you ever show that in one of your videos?
I have to confess I do miss your Super 4 layout.
Kind regards
Simon
Good morning Simon thanks again for watching, I think you're right terrific looking bit of modelling by Tri-ang Railways. I have modified the spider assembly and motor cap in couple of models I have. I worked from the great information in one of John's Amazing Trains videos ruclips.net/video/MckRiFeTxvQ/видео.html
Take care.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley Thank you Oscar
"not good with the old money". Yikes, you are making me feel old!
Hi Oscar thinking back to 19 72 i got married in 19 71 and i think my take home pay i was working as a cost clerk at the tme was about £9.5 my then wife worked in a bank and she ii think earned a massive £45.00 a month of course this was before the oil crisis and just after decmalisation whic in itself caused a huge inflationary price surge-but nothing like the coming inflation which caused so many firms like the one i worked for into bankruptcy so your set by my reckoning cost about a weeks wages at that time
Good morning Robin thank you again for watching and information.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar,
I have some of the Class 31 Brush type 2's, and they do not sound as loud as the one from your new set? They are smooth runners..
Is it possible that the plastic bearings on the armature are a bit worn or loose?
The later version with the extra pick-ups, unfortunately uses pin point axles with a metal wheel on one end, (at opposite sides) and a wiper on the axle.. Unfortunately the holes in the bogie frame (for the pinpoints to sit into) have a habit of wearing badly.. This lets the wheels get out of alignment. Especially, as the loco gets older and has a lot of running..
A better solution would have been, to use the earlier bogie, but with the sleeved wheels and the same pick-up arrangement as the searchlight wagon.. This is not prone to wear nearly as much?
Great video, and nice to see Mr. Snooze watching too.
Good morning Robin thanks again for watching and the information it's much appreciated.
Take care.
Oscar
The Minic Ferry set at 57:40 is rare, but I have seen one in operation on a very large combined Triang Railways and Minic Motorways exhibition layout in Melbourne Australia from time to time :
ruclips.net/video/5U6Nnj07C2s/видео.html
I had always thought it was not produced like many items in the 1964 catalogue. The layout had just about everything made in the Minic range as well as a large selection of most Triang and Wrenn models.
I took lots of video of it with my then new Sony 8mm Beta video camera. However I have not been able to use the playback feature and cannot find a repairer for old technology.
Good morning John thanks again for watching and taking the time to send me the link for this terrific clip. It's a loverly group of items seen together like this. Amazing that they actually made items like these in the first place, the cost of tooling them up must have quite something. Hope you're able to find a practical solution for your Sony 8 mm tapes. There used to be quite a few people here who did conversions from the older tape formats to DVD but it was quite expensive, of course the equipment that plays DVDs is now beginning to vanish rapidly! Progress.
Take care.
Oscar