I am curious how that works, does chaos and the voices just drown out Horus’ sense, reason and memory of who he was? I see it a lot with the traitor primarchs almost all at some point regretting what they did/are doing, but then they just sort of shrug that off and continue doing awful things contrary to who they once were. I see a lot of individuals turn traitor and regret it, but never the other way around, nor do the traitors ever revert or redeem themselves, regardless of their regrets or even when they look in the mirror and say ‘what the hell am I even doing?’
@@insaneyoohoo I see it more as the chaos gods are constantly telling what he could have if he just did this so he never stops to think about the actions and horrific acts he has committed. I also assume they suppress some of his emotions like Nurgle does with his followers.
@@insaneyoohooI believe that the justification for it is that although followers of chaos can appear to have free will and personality, their wills are still bound to the chaos god, or in Horus’s case gods, they swore allegiance to, because they “sold their souls” making their truest essence of who they are irrevocably bound to whatever they gave it to.
@@gatesoflodore this is never said but its implied in all the chaos factions, after the end and the death volume 3, i belive what u said, call it pride or regret but Horus took a little moment of clarity to let be himself killed, he was not himself since the gate of molech.
The most tragic of stories are found here. Brother against brother, father against sons. The galaxy burns while we watch on as distant observers to the rage against the dying light.
Sentences like "innocence proves nothing", "A pacified enemy is still an enemy", "Fresh (...) disgusted me" are the true appeal, they are edgy but as real as reality
@@berilsevvalbekret772 nah man. I'm from Brazil and you haven't seen "innocence proves nothing" be harsh until a rich kid steals something with a poor kid around. Every single time my body aches Mechanicus ideology pops up, everytime I see the decaying state of my parents the idea sounds better. And about Angron's quote, well fearing Nuclear Apocalypse came back more strongly than fashion trends so this quote resonates in another level
If you never read the books or watch any 40k content on RUclips, or play the game, or talk to anyone, anywhere, or anytime, .....maybe. Maybe he won't ....😮😢😂❤
I've been trying to get into 40k so long but the universe is so convoluted that i haven't been able to understand much of the timeline... This comment probably explained more to me than anything else
Aliens: "we let the thralls go.. so we can leave now?" Horus: " yes we can be friends.. but after you arrive in orbit... Well after that it becomes difficult.."
The Aliens they were fighting were the Nephilim, one of the worst alien species the Imperium encountered. They would prey on humans, capture them as slaves and farm them like battery hens, feeding by destroying their minds. There is no way any primarch would have let the Nephilim go, unless they were certain it would lead to even more Nephilim dead.
Sangie was by far the best warrior out of all the primarchs in their original state, none would have stood a chance. He dispatched angron, then ghunda, was mortally wounded and still stood his ground against Giga Horus... What a fucking beast
Wrote this as a reply to another comment, but it still fits perfectly here... 😋 "I must content myself with merely being the better warrior...." In an older Blood Angels Codex, it tells of the Blood Angels recording and analysing the words and actions of those who fall to the Black Rage and Red Thirst outside of battle, restrained for the protection of themselves and others... They have discovered that Horus could not defeat Sanguinius in actual combat, forcing Horus to use his Chaos gifted powers to turn the battle in his favour...
I'm kinda curious about Vulcan myself. Curze basically fights most loyalists Primarchs, and he is always a hard fight for them. Except Vulcan. An armored Curze gets casually beaten by an unarmored pissed Vulcan. Curze is like the best loyalist primarch measuring stick since he fights so many of them.
@@whichDudeCruze is kind of ridiculous to fight though. I mean, rowboat girly man and southern blond primarch couldnt take him out in Unremembered Empire. Congine that with his stupidly op psychic prediction powers and his ridiculous stealth, the only one i can see easily beating him is Magnus. And sorta Vulcan.
@@asingularkriegsman3316 It wasn't sorta for Vulcan. Vulcan absolutely trashed him once Vulcan finally saw his chance to escape from torture. I don't really know how well future sight works. Other Primarchs explain it would make fighting Curze very hard, but Lion immediately starts their first fight by just surprise stabbing him on a quick draw
@@whichDude Vulkan was a great Warrior of insane physical abilities...but Sanguinius was something else in combat. His wings, foresight, psychic abilities (because yes, while it is often forgotten...he is a psycher) and most importantly his unmatched skill with the blade made him better than any of his brothers. Sanguinius defeated Khorne's greatest General...THRICE...he defeated DEMON Angron when he was at his strongest. Even if the Lion, Russ and Angron (before Heresy) fought him together...not sure if they could win.
"I must content myself with merely being the better warrior...." In an older Blood Angels Codex, it tells of the Blood Angels recording and analysing the words and actions of those who fall to the Black Rage and Red Thirst outside of battle, restrained for the protection of themselves and others... They have discovered that Horus could not defeat Sanguinius in actual combat, forcing Horus to use his Chaos gifted powers to turn the battle in his favour...
@@DolphinSMG MASSIVE COPE. If he was genuinely better then he would’ve came out on top, but no daddy E had to handle it instead while Sanguinius was looking up through corpse glassed eyes
@@sunsetsunrise207 idk how he's supposed to come out on top when he's a non amped primarch facing a brother amped by 4 chaos gods but whatever. Heretic
"i am uncomfortable brother" "why?" "that negotiation of yours almost sounded like you might not have commited genocide on those aliens if they had stopped bothering us" "oh silly bro! just because i said *I* wouldnt commit genocide on the aliens, that doesnt mean a single one of them would live to tell the tale. after all, you were also there and havent had the chance to butcher a whole ass population yet" "oh my, how nice of you to not hog all the genocide for yourself. we sure are great people who love sharing like a true family"
I often forget how true the saying of "There are no real good guys in 40k" until tales like this, and Guilliman and Lion remembering and regretting their many hostile and genocidal acts on xenos in the past, due to how much more useful theyd be as allies (Specially rn), remind me "Oh yeah, in the real world these are all like, H1t1er level war criminals that would never be seen as anything more than monsters that deserve to face the wall" I mean, at least Guilliman, Vulkan, and Lionel are coming around, not that Guilliman was ever a big fan of many of the things he did tbf, I'm also fairly sure Corvus is more of a "Ends justify the means" kind of guy, and also wasn't a fan of this (I know he wasn't a fan of this happening to humans, but I don't quite know his stance on xenos)
@@user-kq5ci7ol8oi mean, didn't corvus lead a slave uprising? Like I wonder if his world would become the most moral in 40k if big E just arrive a bit later
They also were hostile aliens willing to take humans captive and who knows what else. The goal was to free from alien and chaos influence and unite humanity once more at any cost ASAP. Subdued and pacified aliens seemed to not be an issue but in 40k, everything is trying to overpower everything else - often in rather nasty ways
@@gideonmele1556 still, to genocide a whole species away under the pretense of a false truce is about as scummy as you could probably be. Particularly if you then joke about it later on. Point being that all the primarchs are psychopaths and always were psychopaths
Ah yes! People having sympathy for alien scum that tried to enslave and murder a bunch of humans, but sure! Horus and Sanguinius are the evil people in this situation for being willing to destroy them for that crime. Honestly, you people are as annoying as the people who claim that T'au are the good guys.
Foreshadowing made me sad when he said don't make me pluck those wings of yours and my mind instantly thought of amazing description of horuss thoughts when he went full chaos mode crushing the angels ankle as he slammed him into the deck sanguinis wings a mangled miss from cushioning the impact...moments later hours hitting the handsome angle so hard half his face sperating from his skull
I mean the best villains know how to play around the rules. This reminds me of the momenti n Fate Zero when they force Kiritsugu to sign a paper to make sure he wouldnt kill someone, but the contract did not say anything by getting sniped by his companion.
How he took out Kayneth in the hotel was great. Too. Frankly, Fate / Stay Night and Fate Zero are specifically fantastic for these kinds of scenes. It is one of their defining writing elements that distinguishes them from other stories and settings I've encountered.
@@danielmarks874the brotherly moment is pretty cute. The previus warcrime is standard grimdark protocol, nothing remarcable for the crusade's standard.
@@SoldierGeneral64 Well, it's a single storyline novel as opposed to a visual novel that has multiple branching paths and three main storylines. That means it's structurally simpler to get in to, but it's nowhere near as good an experience as watching / reading it after reading through the entire Fate Stay Night visual novel. Did you like it? What did you like about it?
I always found it so interesting to know that really, all of the Primarchs were supposed to be these great, upstanding bastions of Humanity, especially Angron. Thing is, one’s own natural environment they are born into can often sway one’s own mental development for sure. And sure, some Primarchs overcame their sometimes quite actual ENVIRONMENTAL obstacles but they were found by downright supportive “fathers” such as the Wolf and the Lion. Mortarion and Angron, ESPECIALLY Angron, didn’t have such a luxury. Even still, Angron, despite those damned nails, was for at a time someone you could sit down and have a beer with sort of guy and have a decent time. Some of the Primarchs were “born” in a Hell all alone and overcame it but had nice fathers of a sort once found. Some were instantly found by fathers and their fathers taught them something poisonously fierce, or maybe the fathers became corrupted later on and caused shit to fall apart. Environment, and then people environment, maketh the Man. It’s just so damn strange. They, the Primarchs, really do be like us. Is it that simple, that they themselves are in fact Human?
Keep trying tell people that Angron was supposed to be the glue that held his brothers together but sadly it didn't go that way,FUCKING KNIFE EARS!!! ALL BECAUSE THEY GOT A PROPHECY WRONG!!
Shrugs at objectively valid Xenocide. Are you gonna try and tell me that them little worms that grow in African kids' eyes and make them blind are ok? Do you want some?
Want an AU called Peacehammer where the Emperor is a great dad, the Primarchs live together as brothers, and the different races keep to themselves for the most part
Brighthammer 40k is kinda like that. Instead of "In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war,": you get "In the noble brightness of the far future, there is only HIGH ADVENTURE!!!"
People who argue that "the empire is fascist so anything else is better" don't realize the empire is bitter because the good times have been getting worse through 10000 years and they are forced to be so over the top about every threat.
Horus and Sanguinius being a bros that spark some of their psyche to remains in the warp, this psyche met and fight each other arguing about their final battle on Terra. Their fight is so great and since the concept of time in the warp is incongruent, sometimes their psyche escape the warp to possess other beings in a different time. One time, their psyche time travels and posessed two krorks brother, then they fight each other with each strikes both grow bigger, the fight last so long that the other krorks call them Gork and Mork.
Man, I finally started the Horus Heresy books with Horus Rising and the moments between Horus and Sanguinius or just any moment with Horus makes the future of the story so much more tragic
Sometimes I wonder what could have been for humanity had the Horus heresy never happened. Alas we shall never know. For in the grim darkness of the far future There is only war
Ironic how much foreshadowing there was with the phrase “don’t make me pluck those wings.” If only Horus knew how true those words would be in but a few years.
Even in the first 2 horus heresy books whenever they meet and it is really describes how all of the primarchs are seeing each others as brothers somewhat but sanginius and horus see each other as true ones and best friends. It really tears at the heart knowing where it all goes
I'm so mad horus turned dude, and I'm more annoyed that we don't have a no heresy universe where none of them turned... Granted that wouldn't be a very grim dark future but we have the inverse universe... So why not
I remember hearing somewhere that every once in awhile there's a warp storm and people will come out of it from parallel dimensions.... Like one where the loyalist primarchs trader and the ones that turned traitor were in fact still loyalist which means that in that world or us never fell.... But apparently gilliman did. Of course such interdimensional traffic is usually met with the typical imperial response of overwhelming firepower. That is of course the great irony: if there are worlds out there for 40K or your favorite comic book continuity where everything and happily.... They are likely going to great effort to be very quiet because of any of the other crap sack worlds notice them then everything will probably go to hell while becoming just another tragic chapter in maintaining the crap sack status quo.
It's worthwhile mentioning though that apparently a method to clone the primarchs has been discovered my possibly the worst possible person....Fabious Bile himself. He successfully cloned fulgrim who had full genetic memory but was still in his preheresy mental state and thus was very chagrined at what had happened....... Bile didn't trust that Fulgrim wouldn't just be corrupted all over again anyhow so he sold him off to trazum the infinite and he's likely been held in stasis ever since. With a possible exception of angron, my suspect most of the traitor primarchs would welcome a second chance.... And Theoretically if you cloned Angron and didn't actually implant the butcher's nails........ Well that would be a very interesting person to meet.
You could do wholesome while still being grimdark. After all there is still darkness in the idea of a loving family of demigods fighting against the darkness, giving it all they got but still lose to it time and time again that is still very depressing. Didn’t have to be Horus Heresy specifically but the “edgelords” in the fandom who live joyless lives would scream and complain about it till the end of time (which is something they do now anyways but w/e)
This just highlights how truly evil the great crusade was. There was no surrender or quarter. They are causally talking about killing a surrendered and retreating foe and it’s treated like a cute brotherly moment
Dude the authors are anglophonic, UK and USA see things exactly this way (well Russia, China, France and Germany too. Turkey even worse if given the chance)
@@pedroivantaveraferreira3037 This is how ruthless warriors think I guess. Most of the empires in history utilized deception to destroy and demoralize their opposition, and the people those empires use to do it tend to take pride in their work.
Yep, "grimdark galaxy" "there is no good guys in 40k" "bloodiest regime imaginable" and all that. This is as a cute brotherly moment as it can get in 40
I'm not sure of the exact story this is from but the mention of "Thralls" leads me to believe this particular Xeno race had actually enslaved humanity somehow. in which case they had it coming tbh. The whole reason why Humanity hates Xenos as much as they do is because literally as soon as the old night happened the vast majority of Xenos like the Dark Eldar immediately began predating humans, even if they had been supposedly allied under the star trek ass Dark Age era human empire.
imagine, 3 thousand years from now, our descendants will find the epic of 40k, and think this was the greatest poetry and story of our era, similar to Gilgamesh
u know what?? Horus was the Supreme Commander which means any who surrendered to him cannot be attacked by any other imperial force ,which means if the aliens had surrendered,Sanguinius would have to let them leave..
“I said they can leave the surface, idgaf after that.” - Horus Lupercal, with a big ass grin
Casual discussion of what is litterally a warcrime by modern standards
@@Canadian_ZacWarcrime? What's that? I only know the grim darkness of the far future.
@@Canadian_Zacwhat’s a war crime?
@@jessepatrick7471 Beats me. SOunds like some eldari trickery to me.
@@Canadian_Zac Its only a warcrime if its done on fellow humans.
Filthy xeno do not count.
"So true bestie" - Sanguinius, probably idk
" He cheats at cards."
Definitely not horus
“So false, worstie.” Tzeentch cried out behind them, probably
@@Br0Dud3 tzeentch calls it rape when alone
Can you talk like normal person?
Honestly so tragic. Especially since after killing Sangy, Horus literally went “Wait, why am I doing this? This is wrong”
Happens when you listen too much to the voices. You tune out on autopilot.
I am curious how that works, does chaos and the voices just drown out Horus’ sense, reason and memory of who he was? I see it a lot with the traitor primarchs almost all at some point regretting what they did/are doing, but then they just sort of shrug that off and continue doing awful things contrary to who they once were.
I see a lot of individuals turn traitor and regret it, but never the other way around, nor do the traitors ever revert or redeem themselves, regardless of their regrets or even when they look in the mirror and say ‘what the hell am I even doing?’
@@insaneyoohoo I see it more as the chaos gods are constantly telling what he could have if he just did this so he never stops to think about the actions and horrific acts he has committed. I also assume they suppress some of his emotions like Nurgle does with his followers.
@@insaneyoohooI believe that the justification for it is that although followers of chaos can appear to have free will and personality, their wills are still bound to the chaos god, or in Horus’s case gods, they swore allegiance to, because they “sold their souls” making their truest essence of who they are irrevocably bound to whatever they gave it to.
@@gatesoflodore this is never said but its implied in all the chaos factions, after the end and the death volume 3, i belive what u said, call it pride or regret but Horus took a little moment of clarity to let be himself killed, he was not himself since the gate of molech.
"Without them, I'd only be as handsome as you are." The backhanded snark in this one x'D
Hidden compliment too lol
It's also pro brother move
It's really well thought out banter for an angel figure, honestly. Carries the sassy tone but as nicely as possible
I didn't think Sangy had a snark in him. Perfection has depth and range!
Simultaneously a compliment and an insult lmao
40k really do be built like a greek tragedy.
The most tragic of stories are found here. Brother against brother, father against sons. The galaxy burns while we watch on as distant observers to the rage against the dying light.
that's part of the appeal
Sentences like "innocence proves nothing", "A pacified enemy is still an enemy", "Fresh (...) disgusted me" are the true appeal, they are edgy but as real as reality
@@pedroivantaveraferreira3037 if you think these are reality you are either an edgy child or have no life experience
@@berilsevvalbekret772 nah man. I'm from Brazil and you haven't seen "innocence proves nothing" be harsh until a rich kid steals something with a poor kid around. Every single time my body aches Mechanicus ideology pops up, everytime I see the decaying state of my parents the idea sounds better. And about Angron's quote, well fearing Nuclear Apocalypse came back more strongly than fashion trends so this quote resonates in another level
Man this horus guy sounds like a chill dude i hope he doesnt cause a 9 year massive civil war and cause 10,000 years of stagnation and suffering.
🙂↕️
If you never read the books or watch any 40k content on RUclips, or play the game, or talk to anyone, anywhere, or anytime, .....maybe. Maybe he won't ....😮😢😂❤
Let's hope he never finds out there's no achievement for collecting all 40,000 warhammers.
I've been trying to get into 40k so long but the universe is so convoluted that i haven't been able to understand much of the timeline...
This comment probably explained more to me than anything else
Alternate time line where Horus takes his meds and doesn't listen to the voices in his head
I'm a man of my word. My brother over here tho... He hasn't agreed to anything
Sanguinius: “I DIDNT HEAR NO BELL”
"I wouldn't do warcrimes, but I knew you would, you rascal" - the primarchs laughed heartily
What's a war crime or two between brothers? Hahahaha
“No bros quite like Horus and Sanguinius”
Boy do I have something to tell you about that broship
That's exactly what makes it so tragic.
The brotrayal was real. And tragic.
😅😅😬😬😬
The broship has sunk.
If I recall correctly from someone else, Horus really didn't want to kill Sanguineous, and felt bad afterwards because he was so well-liked.
"And what a tragedy that would be." -Horus
Aliens: "we let the thralls go.. so we can leave now?"
Horus: " yes we can be friends.. but after you arrive in orbit... Well after that it becomes difficult.."
I don't remember him saying anything about being friends.
“They are free to go…. And die in orbit”
The Aliens they were fighting were the Nephilim, one of the worst alien species the Imperium encountered.
They would prey on humans, capture them as slaves and farm them like battery hens, feeding by destroying their minds.
There is no way any primarch would have let the Nephilim go, unless they were certain it would lead to even more Nephilim dead.
Sangie was by far the best warrior out of all the primarchs in their original state, none would have stood a chance. He dispatched angron, then ghunda, was mortally wounded and still stood his ground against Giga Horus... What a fucking beast
Wrote this as a reply to another comment, but it still fits perfectly here... 😋
"I must content myself with merely being the better warrior...."
In an older Blood Angels Codex, it tells of the Blood Angels recording and analysing the words and actions of those who fall to the Black Rage and Red Thirst outside of battle, restrained for the protection of themselves and others...
They have discovered that Horus could not defeat Sanguinius in actual combat, forcing Horus to use his Chaos gifted powers to turn the battle in his favour...
I'm kinda curious about Vulcan myself. Curze basically fights most loyalists Primarchs, and he is always a hard fight for them. Except Vulcan. An armored Curze gets casually beaten by an unarmored pissed Vulcan.
Curze is like the best loyalist primarch measuring stick since he fights so many of them.
@@whichDudeCruze is kind of ridiculous to fight though. I mean, rowboat girly man and southern blond primarch couldnt take him out in Unremembered Empire. Congine that with his stupidly op psychic prediction powers and his ridiculous stealth, the only one i can see easily beating him is Magnus. And sorta Vulcan.
@@asingularkriegsman3316 It wasn't sorta for Vulcan. Vulcan absolutely trashed him once Vulcan finally saw his chance to escape from torture.
I don't really know how well future sight works. Other Primarchs explain it would make fighting Curze very hard, but Lion immediately starts their first fight by just surprise stabbing him on a quick draw
@@whichDude Vulkan was a great Warrior of insane physical abilities...but Sanguinius was something else in combat.
His wings, foresight, psychic abilities (because yes, while it is often forgotten...he is a psycher) and most importantly his unmatched skill with the blade made him better than any of his brothers.
Sanguinius defeated Khorne's greatest General...THRICE...he defeated DEMON Angron when he was at his strongest.
Even if the Lion, Russ and Angron (before Heresy) fought him together...not sure if they could win.
"I'd only be as handsome as you are" is a burn you'd only expect out of an angel
Horus Pre Heresy: Don't make me pluck your wings 😂
Chaos- pumped Horus : *Don't. make me. pluck. those. wings. brother.* 👿
"I must content myself with merely being the better warrior...."
In an older Blood Angels Codex, it tells of the Blood Angels recording and analysing the words and actions of those who fall to the Black Rage and Red Thirst outside of battle, restrained for the protection of themselves and others...
They have discovered that Horus could not defeat Sanguinius in actual combat, forcing Horus to use his Chaos gifted powers to turn the battle in his favour...
@@LordCastigatorcope
@@sunsetsunrise207I mean it's not really cope it's fairly well known that Sanguine was the better duelist
@@DolphinSMG MASSIVE COPE. If he was genuinely better then he would’ve came out on top, but no daddy E had to handle it instead while Sanguinius was looking up through corpse glassed eyes
@@sunsetsunrise207 idk how he's supposed to come out on top when he's a non amped primarch facing a brother amped by 4 chaos gods but whatever. Heretic
Horus literally said: " you can leave the surface but the space isn't" 💀💀💀💀
"i am uncomfortable brother"
"why?"
"that negotiation of yours almost sounded like you might not have commited genocide on those aliens if they had stopped bothering us"
"oh silly bro! just because i said *I* wouldnt commit genocide on the aliens, that doesnt mean a single one of them would live to tell the tale. after all, you were also there and havent had the chance to butcher a whole ass population yet"
"oh my, how nice of you to not hog all the genocide for yourself. we sure are great people who love sharing like a true family"
I often forget how true the saying of "There are no real good guys in 40k" until tales like this, and Guilliman and Lion remembering and regretting their many hostile and genocidal acts on xenos in the past, due to how much more useful theyd be as allies (Specially rn), remind me "Oh yeah, in the real world these are all like, H1t1er level war criminals that would never be seen as anything more than monsters that deserve to face the wall" I mean, at least Guilliman, Vulkan, and Lionel are coming around, not that Guilliman was ever a big fan of many of the things he did tbf, I'm also fairly sure Corvus is more of a "Ends justify the means" kind of guy, and also wasn't a fan of this (I know he wasn't a fan of this happening to humans, but I don't quite know his stance on xenos)
@@user-kq5ci7ol8oi mean, didn't corvus lead a slave uprising? Like I wonder if his world would become the most moral in 40k if big E just arrive a bit later
They also were hostile aliens willing to take humans captive and who knows what else. The goal was to free from alien and chaos influence and unite humanity once more at any cost ASAP. Subdued and pacified aliens seemed to not be an issue but in 40k, everything is trying to overpower everything else - often in rather nasty ways
@@gideonmele1556 still, to genocide a whole species away under the pretense of a false truce is about as scummy as you could probably be. Particularly if you then joke about it later on.
Point being that all the primarchs are psychopaths and always were psychopaths
Ah yes! People having sympathy for alien scum that tried to enslave and murder a bunch of humans, but sure! Horus and Sanguinius are the evil people in this situation for being willing to destroy them for that crime. Honestly, you people are as annoying as the people who claim that T'au are the good guys.
Foreshadowing made me sad when he said don't make me pluck those wings of yours and my mind instantly thought of amazing description of horuss thoughts when he went full chaos mode crushing the angels ankle as he slammed him into the deck sanguinis wings a mangled miss from cushioning the impact...moments later hours hitting the handsome angle so hard half his face sperating from his skull
The scene was so beautifully written I fuckn Cried
“Xenocide, hehehehehe” - the primarchs
AWWW I NEED MORE PREHERESY HORUS STORIES
If you want to discover more about Horus before the heresy, he used to go by "Johnny Sins" back in the days.
“Don’t make me pluck those wings 🤪😂” when you realize that’s how Horus killed him 😳
He is a man of his word i guess
The tragic wholesomeness of that moment is soul crushing.
Horus pulled a Hotel California: You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.
Two bros, chilling on an alien planet, joking about warcrimes because they ain't gay.
More of this, please. Bro's being bro's.
I mean the best villains know how to play around the rules. This reminds me of the momenti n Fate Zero when they force Kiritsugu to sign a paper to make sure he wouldnt kill someone, but the contract did not say anything by getting sniped by his companion.
How he took out Kayneth in the hotel was great. Too. Frankly, Fate / Stay Night and Fate Zero are specifically fantastic for these kinds of scenes. It is one of their defining writing elements that distinguishes them from other stories and settings I've encountered.
Yeah everyone is acting like this is cute. But it’s actually really evil
@@danielmarks874the brotherly moment is pretty cute. The previus warcrime is standard grimdark protocol, nothing remarcable for the crusade's standard.
I watched fate zero not knowing it was a prequel lol
@@SoldierGeneral64 Well, it's a single storyline novel as opposed to a visual novel that has multiple branching paths and three main storylines. That means it's structurally simpler to get in to, but it's nowhere near as good an experience as watching / reading it after reading through the entire Fate Stay Night visual novel.
Did you like it? What did you like about it?
I always found it so interesting to know that really, all of the Primarchs were supposed to be these great, upstanding bastions of Humanity, especially Angron. Thing is, one’s own natural environment they are born into can often sway one’s own mental development for sure. And sure, some Primarchs overcame their sometimes quite actual ENVIRONMENTAL obstacles but they were found by downright supportive “fathers” such as the Wolf and the Lion. Mortarion and Angron, ESPECIALLY Angron, didn’t have such a luxury. Even still, Angron, despite those damned nails, was for at a time someone you could sit down and have a beer with sort of guy and have a decent time. Some of the Primarchs were “born” in a Hell all alone and overcame it but had nice fathers of a sort once found. Some were instantly found by fathers and their fathers taught them something poisonously fierce, or maybe the fathers became corrupted later on and caused shit to fall apart. Environment, and then people environment, maketh the Man. It’s just so damn strange. They, the Primarchs, really do be like us. Is it that simple, that they themselves are in fact Human?
Indeed. And the one that's doing the most out of all.of them currently is the one with the stable parenting with both a (loving) dad and a mom
They truly were representations of the best mankind can aspire to achieve personally and the worst it can turn aswell.
Keep trying tell people that Angron was supposed to be the glue that held his brothers together but sadly it didn't go that way,FUCKING KNIFE EARS!!! ALL BECAUSE THEY GOT A PROPHECY WRONG!!
The sudden emotional crash while watching this. Going from enjoying their banter to remembering how things ended... 🙁
Sanguinius is a good guy!
Sanguinius: LOL you're right, I would have murdered the fleeing aliens you just made a deal with.
Horus is a man of his word. He really did pluck his brothers wings
Ngl this was the wisest choice of words of taking shots ego challenging and appraisal
Oh man that foreshadowing
I love it how even a wholesome bro moment between the Primarchs is tinged with the sheer brutality of the Emperor's genocidal war of conquest.
Shrugs at objectively valid Xenocide. Are you gonna try and tell me that them little worms that grow in African kids' eyes and make them blind are ok? Do you want some?
Want an AU called Peacehammer where the Emperor is a great dad, the Primarchs live together as brothers, and the different races keep to themselves for the most part
Brighthammer 40k is kinda like that. Instead of "In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war,": you get "In the noble brightness of the far future, there is only HIGH ADVENTURE!!!"
@@cjmunnee3356I didn't know that this existed. Thank you.
@stevenbyrd8487 Now that I think about it, I hope it still does. I found out about it on 1d4chan, and that site may be lost to time.
Big H really said "I wont kill ya on surface of this planet, but I never agree not to kill ya on air/space
“Don’t make me pluck those wings”
I guess he was a man true to his words huh
It’s giving Optimus prime and Megatrom vibes “We were BROTHERS ONCE!”
“Once.”
And this is why Emps hates so much Choas.
People who argue that "the empire is fascist so anything else is better" don't realize the empire is bitter because the good times have been getting worse through 10000 years and they are forced to be so over the top about every threat.
And they still are facist.@@enriquejoseantequerasanche6180
@@enriquejoseantequerasanche6180the Imperium.
The Empire is Star Wars-we’re fancy here in 40k.
Horus and Sanguinius being a bros that spark some of their psyche to remains in the warp, this psyche met and fight each other arguing about their final battle on Terra. Their fight is so great and since the concept of time in the warp is incongruent, sometimes their psyche escape the warp to possess other beings in a different time. One time, their psyche time travels and posessed two krorks brother, then they fight each other with each strikes both grow bigger, the fight last so long that the other krorks call them Gork and Mork.
It feels almost criminal that this didn’t include the “That would be tragic” from Horus at the end lmao
Sanguinius : without them i'd just be as hansome as you are...
Horus: bru did yus just called me bald?
Horus later, indeeed, he plucked those wings.
'hehe don't make me pluck those wings'
'meanwhile, years later'
;(
Man, I finally started the Horus Heresy books with Horus Rising and the moments between Horus and Sanguinius or just any moment with Horus makes the future of the story so much more tragic
Goddamn that dialogue is beautiful. Just drives home how close they were. Makes the tragedy of the heresy that much more brutal to bare.
remember guys its always bros before selling your soul for ruinous powers
Horus Heresey then proceeded to gather all 40,000 war hammers and became the ultimate warhammer master.
“Don’t make me pluck those wings” Sheesh the foreshadowing
*that moment you realize Horus did pluck those wings violently*
Moments like this make their final confrontation hurt so much mors.
Glad these two stayed friends and nothing terrible ever happened
what could have been will never be
This shows how far Horus fell from grace...
Moral of the story, if u & your homies wanna remain homies, do NOT succumb to the FOUL taint of Chaos!
Their friendship hurts in context.
This is sadder knowing what happens
God this is great and it also makes me feel really bad…
Pre Heresy Horus was the goat man, the Great Crusade really was the glory days
“I said I’d let them get to orbit”
“Yea?”
“Where’s you ships at sang?”
“In orbit”
I hope we will have Horus’ own novel, every moment with him undefiled by Chaos had shown why he was so popular
Brooo this really hurts man. They were awesome brothers
Just brothers being brothers
"Don't make me pluck tbose wings" hits hard
"lmao I'm better than you"
*Please don't kill me please don't kill me*
Man, from the sounds of it, you'd never think Horus would be the one to end his best friend.
the hint of foreshadowing
Nothing is a cause for bonding quite like genocide. This video also serves as a reminder that even your favorite primarch is a bone chilling monster
The emotions of fans watching tho:
😊 watching
😂 understanding the joke
😢 remembering what happens to them in the end
Sometimes I wonder what could have been for humanity had the Horus heresy never happened. Alas we shall never know. For in the grim darkness of the far future
There is only war
Horus: “haha don’t make me fall to the forces of Chaos and eviscerate you with a power claw”
Sanguinius: 🤨
Yeah, Chaos gives you power but you lose free will. Damn.. They were really close... 😢
Seeing shorts about horus like this feels like seeing anakin before the war since we both know what they gon do at one point
Love the stuff you do, cant get enough of it, keep at it man!
Remember what Erebus took from us
"Don't make me pluck those wings."
Guardsman watching "I have an uneasy sense of foreshadowing....."
Ironic how much foreshadowing there was with the phrase “don’t make me pluck those wings.”
If only Horus knew how true those words would be in but a few years.
Goes ahead and plucks his wings
I’m literally crying
I feel bad for horus as he just gets completely manipulated in false gods
Ah yes, brotherly war crimes , so heartwarming
Horus 6 years later to sanguinius’s face:
I CAST HAMMER
This moment aged horrifically
They were best friends 😭
That opening cutscene is so chilling
Even in the first 2 horus heresy books whenever they meet and it is really describes how all of the primarchs are seeing each others as brothers somewhat but sanginius and horus see each other as true ones and best friends. It really tears at the heart knowing where it all goes
I'm so mad horus turned dude, and I'm more annoyed that we don't have a no heresy universe where none of them turned... Granted that wouldn't be a very grim dark future but we have the inverse universe... So why not
I remember hearing somewhere that every once in awhile there's a warp storm and people will come out of it from parallel dimensions.... Like one where the loyalist primarchs trader and the ones that turned traitor were in fact still loyalist which means that in that world or us never fell.... But apparently gilliman did. Of course such interdimensional traffic is usually met with the typical imperial response of overwhelming firepower. That is of course the great irony: if there are worlds out there for 40K or your favorite comic book continuity where everything and happily.... They are likely going to great effort to be very quiet because of any of the other crap sack worlds notice them then everything will probably go to hell while becoming just another tragic chapter in maintaining the crap sack status quo.
oh it exists we just don't play in it.
Fortunately, we have fanfiction to fill that void.
It's worthwhile mentioning though that apparently a method to clone the primarchs has been discovered my possibly the worst possible person....Fabious Bile himself. He successfully cloned fulgrim who had full genetic memory but was still in his preheresy mental state and thus was very chagrined at what had happened....... Bile didn't trust that Fulgrim wouldn't just be corrupted all over again anyhow so he sold him off to trazum the infinite and he's likely been held in stasis ever since. With a possible exception of angron, my suspect most of the traitor primarchs would welcome a second chance.... And Theoretically if you cloned Angron and didn't actually implant the butcher's nails........ Well that would be a very interesting person to meet.
You could do wholesome while still being grimdark. After all there is still darkness in the idea of a loving family of demigods fighting against the darkness, giving it all they got but still lose to it time and time again that is still very depressing. Didn’t have to be Horus Heresy specifically but the “edgelords” in the fandom who live joyless lives would scream and complain about it till the end of time (which is something they do now anyways but w/e)
Idk why but I imagined Horus and Sanguinius as the Gigachad guy when saying those final lines
" Har har , we're so good at genocide dear brother"
After that, Mr Horus Heresy collected the 40,000 warhammers
Oh man, it seems like the writers are really building up for something big between those two. I hope nothing bad happens
Horus getting corrupted by chaos, was one of many tragedies to befall upon imperium.
This just highlights how truly evil the great crusade was. There was no surrender or quarter. They are causally talking about killing a surrendered and retreating foe and it’s treated like a cute brotherly moment
Dude the authors are anglophonic, UK and USA see things exactly this way (well Russia, China, France and Germany too. Turkey even worse if given the chance)
@@pedroivantaveraferreira3037 This is how ruthless warriors think I guess. Most of the empires in history utilized deception to destroy and demoralize their opposition, and the people those empires use to do it tend to take pride in their work.
They had it coming
Yep, "grimdark galaxy" "there is no good guys in 40k" "bloodiest regime imaginable" and all that.
This is as a cute brotherly moment as it can get in 40
I'm not sure of the exact story this is from but the mention of "Thralls" leads me to believe this particular Xeno race had actually enslaved humanity somehow. in which case they had it coming tbh. The whole reason why Humanity hates Xenos as much as they do is because literally as soon as the old night happened the vast majority of Xenos like the Dark Eldar immediately began predating humans, even if they had been supposedly allied under the star trek ass Dark Age era human empire.
Horus being among the least xenophobic is absolutely insane
Erebus if I catch you
Well... I'm gonna cry before sleep
Garviel mustve been so heart broken seeing his primarch ones so noble and kind become corrupted by chaos.
imagine, 3 thousand years from now, our descendants will find the epic of 40k, and think this was the greatest poetry and story of our era, similar to Gilgamesh
Don't make me pluck those wings😂
u know what?? Horus was the Supreme Commander which means any who surrendered to him cannot be attacked by any other imperial force ,which means if the aliens had surrendered,Sanguinius would have to let them leave..
humanity was so close to the only golden age that really mattered to the species
"Dont let me pluck your wings". Later he proceeds to murder him hardcore 😂😂😂