The Worst Hack Timing Job Ever!
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
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I have an 06 F150 with 330k MILES only reason I have that many miles is because of your channel! I do all my maintenance following your words. Thanks Brian!!
07 5.4 3v 573k and 06 Romeo 2v here 778k miles. Origional engine. Both trailer haulers. The 06 Waiting on its 4th trans and ground up all new 5.4 turbo build. A little maintenance literally goes a long way. 👍👍
@@brandona4618 what engine maintenance have you done? Phasers and chain?
@@degujm01 tensioners chains at every 200k or less. Do not use the plastic factory tensioners. Get the upgraded iron ones. I use MHS parts. Oil at 8-10k trans fluid every 20k filters always royal purple. Clean the various sensors on the intake on the Romeo. Egr deleted. Did get a new monster built tranny with billet shafts and converter. and rear end from a 2015+ last year with a 3.55 ratio now which the wore out 4.6 isnt happy with at all but its still going waiting on me to finish the new engine.
The 5.4 was phaser locked at 23k kept eating follower bearings which dug into the cam lobes. (variable timing on a fixed lobe single cam was stupid) hadnt eaten a follower as of it getting wrecked few months ago. Same fluid schedule tho.
The 4r75s replaced like clockwork at 250k even pulling trailers.
I use MSD coils and just keep a couple extra in the glove box with extra plugs. Coils typically like to go out in pairs ive noticed also. 4 and 8 as they see the most heat. Fuel filter when I did oil.
@@brandona4618 NO GET AN OLD CHEVY YOUR BEST BET.
@@MrHeavychevy86 but i aunt never seen a or heard of a million mile Chevy 😂 specially one thats a tow pig
The one thumbs down must be the last guy to work on this truck.
Yup
The other’s watched while drinking their Busch beers.
Yeah after the owner gave him the yt link and is holding his dog hostage for money back.
looks like now it's the 15 morons from the different shops that worked on this truck...
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I would drive 8 hours for this guy to work on my truck. I’ve been watching/subscribe to his channel for a while now. Great mechanic. Given tons of knowledge out. Ty
I live in fl. Would drive 20 hrs to his shop
His knowledge on these vehicles have helped me goes a long ways in my career as a senior lvl technician. Ive done many intakes and many diags for poor running fords pertaining to everything he covers here. As well as doing several timing chain jobs on 4.6 and 5.4s. 3 valves, 2 valves u name it! Very few people on youtube actually teach me and he is one of them. Thanks!
Haha, i am exactly 8 hours away and am thinking about it
TOMCAM,
I DUNNO WHY YOUD DRIVE ALL THAT WAYVFOR FTMYL TO WORK ON YOUR VEHICLE, HES GOT HUNDREDS OF VIDEOS SHOWING STEP BYVSTEP HOW TO....
I GOT A 05 F150,DIRT CHEAP,LONG STORY. IT I THOUGHT WAS LEAKIN OIL. CHANGED OIL FILTER ADAPTER PLATE,NOT THAT! FOUND DRIVER SIDE VALVE COVER HAD BEEN GOUGED( HIDDEN BY POWER STEERING RES) SO I REPLACED VC & BLOWN PHASER( NOT YET HAVING BEEN INIATED INTO THE
DEATH RATTLE ASSAN!) SPENT $175 FOR VC AND $200 FOR ONE PHASER. NOT RUN,NO START!
TIME TO SCRATCH HEAD AND RUclips VIDEO SEARCH...
FOUND FORDTECHMAKEYOULOCO 5.43V TIMING KIT REPLACEMENT VIDEO. GOT THE ALMOST $1000 TOGETHER FOR EVERYTHING NEEDED FOR THE JOB,TIMING KIT,OIL CHANGES ETC. SPECIAL TOOLS FOR ROLLER FOLLOWER REMOVAL. AND WENT TO WORK. I HAD NEVER DONE THIS TYPE OF JOB. BUT CONSIDERING A THOU. COMPARED TO A THOU PLUS THE HUGE LABOR CHARGE AND THE WAUT PERIOD " WELL,WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET TO YA,TUESDAY AFTER NEXT,THAT BE ALRIGHT FER YA"!?
AND IF IT TURNED OUT INTO TGE JOB WAS TOO FAR OVER MY HEAD,THE MECHANIC/SHOP OPTION WAS STILL POSSIBLE. BUT TURNED OUT,WHEN I GOT IT ALL BACK TOGETHER, AS WELL AS PLUGS,COP COILS,HALF DOZEN FUEL INJECTOR CLIPS,THIS TRUCK CAN SQUEEL TIRES!! BEFORE DEATH RATTLE,AT STOP SIGNS & REDLIGHTS,IT WOULD ACT AS IF IT WAS GONNA CRAP OUT ANY SECOND, PUTTIN INTO NEUTRAL CAUSED HIGH AND ROUGH ERRATIC IDLE! SO VERY GLAD I WAS ABLE TO FIND THIESE VIDEOS AHDED THAT WORK!!
I WAS CONCERNED, MANY VIDEOS I FOUND ABOUT THE TIMING KITS/PHASERS THE TECHS RECOMMEND REPLACING ENGINE!! SO FAR SO GOOD THOUGH...LIKE ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE IN LIFE,TIME WILL TELL. IMA KEEP ON TRACK WITH MAINTENANCE HOPEFULLY THATLL PRESERVE PHASERS..
ALL TE BEST!!
You are the only reason I still have an '08 expedition, much gratitude, you and I did the whole timing and oil pump upgrade together 👏
I have the same truck, mine has cam sensor bank 1 & 2 code & a retarded timing code.
Can oil pressure be the issue??
@@maurotafoya8415 no. Do you have a code scanner? Timing is generally controlled by O2’s and knock sensors(on gm at least).
@@maurotafoya8415 well actually low oil pressure can cause a tick or rattle in your engine and it will think it’s a knock and retard the timing. On GM trucks low oil pressure is related to the oil pick up o ring. I replaced my o ring in a 2005 avalanche. Went from 10psi oil pressure at idle to 55 psi. The lifter ticking stopped which fixed the knock sensor issue so now it doesn’t retard timing anymore. Picked up 100hp.
@@MrPland1992 yes i do have an OBD2 scanner and im pretty sure that crap showed a retared timing when i checked and yesterday that i went ahead and double check so i can start working, it showed no timing code now... now its only a camshaft sensor which i already replaced buddy
Great video, Brian. One has to feel sorry for the owner of this vehicle. He's already spent a ton of money and is actually worse off than he was before he went to the "hack" shop. If anybody can fix this mess, it's you!
Clearly went after the "cheapest" route possible.
@@HouseCallAutoRepair not necessarily, got no idea what the situation is. Maybe the guy was looking for the best shop he could find without going to the dealer and wound up somewhere cause he doesn’t know any better. Maybe he just moved to a new town and this is the first shop he tried, who knows what happened
It needs a stick of dynamite in the tailpipe
@@HouseCallAutoRepair
That what She said!!!!
I did my timing job and oil pump after gaining confidence from your videos! Ran like a dream!!
4 days later the low oil pressure light came on. And it started knocking bad. I took everything apart again and lo and behold, I left a shop towel in the oil pan after wiping the oil sump when I took my oil pump off, which clogged the oil pickup tube.
Had to drop the oil pan and clean it out and replace a camshaft and cam phasers. Big Oof...Runs great now 😂
Thanks Brian!
I bought a 93 f150 from a guy who said he just had a oil leak fixed by his family's mechanic and it stared making a knock and thought it could be a spark plug, we start it up ND it clearly a rod, I paid him, towed it home pulled the engine to swap it, when we got the oil pan off there was a shop rag stuck in the pick up and two snapped rods and one with a near ninety twist in it. I'd say you got lucky lol
Closely related Operating Rooms have to account for all rags (gauze) so that one doesn't remain in a patient after sewing them back up
@John smith I check double and triple and have been diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder lolo but as I have worked in electronics /electrical cars boats robotics plc computers tv audio communications and marine electronics automation industrial electronic pump engine transmission for over 50 years OCD has been a life saver lolol
I cannot even imagine doing that whole job twice. You must have a ton of patients.
Ouch man
From your timing job series I did the timing job including the Melling oil pump on my '06 F150.
Such a good sound when it fired up and purred like a kitten!
Thank you!
did you go all OEM parts im doing the same right now this weekend but i cant afford the OEM at the moment so i went with clydes timing kit and a lock out. my truck runs great but i hear a rattle ever so often when warmed up an chain clap on start up rarely. im just scared and want to take preventive measures.
@@tylermulkey330 was it your first time doing it ? I bought my first 2006 f-150 (before gmc sierra) and big tikking plus engine losing a lots of power so I'll have to open it but I'm sure I'll have to do the job (if not more)... how long you've work on it ? thanks
@@ja4476 ah yeh my first one really but on this truck but I’m a diesel engineer by trade an have been working with my hand my
Whole life I’m 37 now an have set timing on my Chevy 350 mercruiser with timing light an also my old pathfinder but not our 5.4 3V. Just go slow an take your time mark the chain an lock the cams an the L and the R cams are in the right spots at 12oclock an do all the “while your in there’s” oil pump/ water pump guides an tensioners an the lifter/ lashes an rockers. Don’t forget to soak in oil a night before an exercise them so there filled up wit oil. Good luck bro.
@@tylermulkey330 Thanks a lot for the answer, really appreciated... If I might ask you another question, did you use a specific scanner to diagnostic the problem ? I've read the ODBLinx MX+ .... I'm willing to pay some more to get as many info possible from a scanner.... it would give me a better idea of the problem.....
Whoever worked on this shouldn't be allowed to work on anyone else's car EVER again. Glad this person went to you Brian.
Brian, I gotta tell you that you do such a terrific job in showing folks how to do it right. Spent this last weekend with my sons changing timing chain guides and tensioners on an older 4.6 Town Car, and we used your videos as tutorials. Car runs great. This video is also so helpful in showing the casual home mechanic in what's right and what's not. It's also obvious that you care about your customers and possess a good, "down to earth" philosophy about making sure that the folks that bring a car to your shop get it fixed right. Good on ya.
He just telling you not to use After marjet parts and use moto craft original parts when ever possible. But in this truck here he could have pit t he bolts in the oil pan fir the guy to him its not frifht so he may need a new motor I. The future but he wanted dudes money he wasn't looking g out for the customers vest interest he was looking at his best interest ans ge wanted that money on putting in that new motor. Because yea simeubinfs weren't right but that motor was t shot by no stretch of the imagination. And to recommend a total scrap of the motor and install a completely new motor in this case was extremely not nessisary at that time anyway and pit the bolts in the oil pan and the other little stuff that really needed attention immediately. Then told customer I'd it goes out in a month it would surprise me but I took care of it the best I could when the motor goes out I'll get you took care of with the right way. But no he wanted to make sure he git rhe job then and there or nothing after dude dime spent 5k I quess this guy just looks for people that t moneysno object well unfortunately in the real world most don't have lthat luxury so I said my peace you real guys know what I'm saying those that don't you guys got deep deep pockets good for you I ain't hating
Thank you very much for the detail you put in every video. I watch them at 45 minutes or an hour like a TV series. This is my soap opera.
I am a trouble shooting tech for my type work (not vehicle related) and I enjoy watching your skills in action. This video demonstrates exactly what non-skilled or non-certified techs causing more problems then solutions for customers. I come across it a lot. Keep up great work.
Your vids & info has been very helpful. As a mechanic myself I don't work on a lot of fords. Lately I've been getting Fords with timing issues or tapping noises. Thank you for the vids & info. Helps me improve as an independent mechanic
Wow, just wow. I followed your timing videos to a t last year and bought all the recommended parts, that was at 190k mi, just rolled 205k mi today running like a dream. The only hiccup I had was I forgot to replace the oil filter before cranking to prime the oil lines🤣, 20lbs of kitty litter and 5qts of 5w30 later, everything ran great! Wish I lived closer to have you do routine maintenance, but between Eric O and you, I can usually tackle most of my vehicle issues👍
How long did the job take you and what year and engine?
Something like that happened while changing radiator.. forgot to reconnect trans cooling line and got tranny oil splashing into the radiator fan! 🙄😖 imagine the rest! 🤣
The shop that did that crap work needs to be shut down. Damn disgrace.
My eyes widened like crazy when I saw those oil pan bolts were missing. How the hell can someone send that and be able to sleep at night. Totally shameful and embarrassing.
I thought the same thing man, what a piss poor job, I'm a novice mechanic, but whenever I do work on any vehicle I go thru and triple check everything I've touched.
Very shameful.
This kind of work gives us a bad reputation. No wonder people are thinking they are going to get screwed. Been a Ford tech for years and this would not fly in my dealership. You would loading your box and gone. Not all of us are crooks .
@@edwardames2081 there's one place I take my truck to that I truly trust and that's because I know the owner and a couple of the techs since elementary school, I even had a hard time trusting the dealership when I still had my warranty, though they did do good work when it come to getting my timing done, and any other work covered under warranty.
Omitting those bolts saves weight. Releases hidden performance.
I've been a mechanic for 24 year's. I watch your videos all the time. Your assessment, I'm 100% sure you are right! Your videos/knowledge have taught me a lot. I love ford V8's, but 3 valve engines are junk. You have made me a better mechanic when it comes to 3 valve engines. Thank you for your time and expertise. You have made me a better ford mechanic!!! Keep up the great work.
Thanks for sharing Brian! I like Ford Trucks, especially simple made older ones (1990 - early 2000). My Ford f250 has passed 417K, stills runs strong like new. I learned a lot just watching your channel. Greetings fro Canada! Take care.
my 02 f250 has 391k on it and thanks to this guy ive been able to make sure to keep it going , i only wish i had the cash to send my truck to him to do the new timing chains and new intake that has minor leaks along with other minor issues ... and no i wont dare crack this engine open just because of all the things i know i would screw up
this guy knows what hes doing
F250 and F350 are commercial trucks and built a lot better. Everything is built stronger than crappy F150 trucks.
@@brianmckibben2300 So true Brian! I agree. Thanks for your feedback. Take care brotha.
Videos like this make me happy your shop is about an hour away!
lucky!!!
Where is he located at
@@micahott1859 Yorkville, Illinois
I'll ship my truck......from Canada!!! LOL
I drove 1000 miles to have Brian do my timing job after all these mechanics wanted to replace my engine. 2 years later truck is still running like a top! I'd recommend anyone to make the trip and have Brian do it right. Also saved me a few thousand dollars.
The beauty of being a Ford teck is you will never run out of work . First 1 I had to pull the cab off of to work on I quit working on them . Here in the rust belt you just drive them until they die because nothing comes apart it just breaks. You couldn't give me one for free after watching this well put together video.
I would like to take this time to say thanks to you for making these videos, this is why I try to do everything myself. Some people are just out to make money. Thanks again.
Brother I did this job myself on my 05 F150 5.4L just guided by your 4 videos....I purchased everything thing you recommend and it turned out great. I'm just a half-ass home mechanic and it's been a year and she's running perfect! Thanks! Whoever did that hackjob must be a pure idiot lol.
Hands down the best independent Ford Mechanic.
I just did a timing job, new oil pan, on a 3.5l 150. thanks man! You got me through that shit
Very good diagnosis - please do a follow up and tell us what happened (after the customer calmed down, of course).
That cover sounds like an old 7.3 diesel injector! Lol
PERFECT VIDEO FOR A LAWSUIT! 😀 I feel bad for the customer, at least he took it to the right guy this time.
My son has an 07. He had a Ford dealer that told him he needed a timing job. He paid them 4500$. Got in it to leave and it wouldn't even start. They changed him another 375$ to put a cheap 3$ aftermarket battery terminal on. Driving it home it would barely run. When I raised the hood it was just like this truck. Problems everywhere I looked. I have been a tech for 27 years. He is active duty in the military and lives on the other side of the country or I would have fixed it for him. Hard to believe a shop can let such hideous work go out the door and not do anything to make it right. This garbage work is what gives us a bad reputation. A tech that does work like that should find another way to make a living. I feel for this customer. Just found your channel and good for you sir. Great job 👏. Thanks for all of your help and support.
One of the best Ford techs I seen . Knows his stuff!
*Correction- THE best
So sad to see how shops can do stuff like this to someone's vehicle and sleep at night.
If the air intake is through the fender it is already a cold air system. Those K&N filters are in my opinion crap anyway because they don't filter out near enough crap. If you have a need for more air you got to get a bigger filter and housing. that will safely (for the engine) allow more air through more good filter media. I'd like to see more of this truck and what you fix on it.
If the customer goes for a replacement engine I hope you do a video tearing down this engine to show all the defects....
02 f150 here just hot 245k ty so much for the info u give us!! Its kept my truck goin
This quote on a friends t-shirt comes to mind: "There is nothing more expensive than a (cheap) mechanic."
Awesome quote
I like that quote honestly!
I’m about to do the timing on my ‘05 F150 5.4 according to all your awesome videos. All Ford parts of course. Thanks for all the videos and help over the years keeping my truck on the road with 200k miles!
Buy the repair manual for the truck also and just take your time and buy the special tools you need if you live close to Cincinnati Ohio I have the tools and I would let you borrow them
I just did mine by watching his video on phone sitting on shelf. Have to do it again though something is wrong. I messed up somewhere. Buy tools they are needed.
@@kevinbelanger4134 if I still lived in Dayton I’d take you up on that offer! Thanks! I’ll be setting aside 4-5 days to do the work and got the specialty tools, especially the crankshaft position tool and roller follower remover.
That oozing brown gasket appears to me to be "Gaskacinch" or "Indian Head Shellac".
Seeing shit like this and having dealt with crappy shops and dealers keeps pushing me to do my own work even if it’s a total pain. I’ve wanted to buy my own lift but my garage will not accommodate the height of one...
Not even a low ceiling?
Better off to do as much of your own work as you have the skills for.you run into trouble when you need scan tool access for programing and special function it easy to just pull codes.
Some people notch their ceilings to get a foot or so of extra clearance. I worked with a guy who ran a small shop in a barn and he had a bendpak 2 post lift. Wouldn't lift vehicles high enough to stand up under, so he got a nice rolling chair and just rolled around underneath.
how about digging a pit?
Sounds and looks like a lawsuit against the hacks who did more damage than what was already wrong... Especially considering you mentioned what they charged to destroy the guy's engine...
Price of trying to be cheapskate
Me sipping coffee- at what point is he just gonna yank it and replace with a reman...
5 seconds later “we’re just going to suggest a replacement engine”
I used your 3v time set videos in my mustang. That was 60,000 miles age and till going and running great. Your a great ford tech. Thank you for the time it takes to make these great videos.
Just love this channel. Gotta do some work on my brothers 2010 5.4. So glad I marathoned your channel before I dig in
This shop needs to be called out so others in the area don’t go to these hacks. Hopefully this customer can recoup some of his money from them.
the best professional, evaluator is our guy Brain. 👍
“When Scotty Kilmer tries to do a Ford”
The thumbs down comes from Dorman parts....😆.
While I’m not a dorman fan, did you see the dorman phasers were not the cause of these issues.
Well, you can use them in your engine.
@@jamram9924 To be fair, Dorman phasers do suck but so did about everything Ford put in these engines from the factory. There’s no excuse for the garbage that Ford (and other manufacturers) pawn off on customers.
@@prevost8686 : Well FordTechMakuloco does recommend the installation of the Melling engine oil pump for that reason. Most people believe all parts are created equal and sadly they are not. I’ve dealt in wholesale autoparts for over 20 years. I’ve also worked as a service advisor and import shop. When America have China preferred trade status, we opened the floodgates to cheaply priced/made auto parts. Orielly, Napa and Autozone are flooded with this junk. The majority of car owners gravitate towards cheaply priced parts not knowing their quality is also cheap. I’m getting ready to do a timing chain and oil pump service on a 5.4 3 valve F-150. I’m going to use the parts Brian recommends because he’s clearly demonstrated that their much better than the aftermarket garbage that’s available.
@@jamram9924 Melling is a quality product and they supply factory pumps for Ford. The problem with the factory pumps wasn’t a quality issue. It was a design failure of the garbage 5.4. Quality suppliers like Melling, Johnson, Mahle all supply the automotive manufacturers with components but they have to supply what the manufacturers are asking for. Personally, I’d rather buy the aforementioned aftermarket products for a rebuild that the FoMoCo branded parts.
Dorman doesn’t supply ANY manufacturer with components and their line is pretty much garbage across the board. I was a technician for Ford for years and then an independent technician for the next 20. I know a little about garbage parts.
That black runny stuff looks like aircraft sealant. I’ve seen guys use that stuff on old gaskets so they can reuse them. Really hokey stuff.
What a mess! I knew you were going to recommend a new engine even before the covers came off. You were right also, those cold air intakes are bad news!
Just discovered your channel love your insight and experience!!!!Very entertaining and knowledgeable!!!!Thank you and keep them coming!!!!!
Thank God that you've got the video 'proof' of the hack job that was done on this engine.
That is so crazy why shops do what they do. Wish you where out west. Would love to spend my money at your shop. Great education videos. Keep them coming. Thank u
@ 18:13
"Ooooh, Ooooh, look at that!"
I thought you were referring to the upper starter bolt being in. lol
Hahahaha
The more ford videos I watch the better Toyota sounds
They have their own issues..
The BOSS Ford Tech making it look easy again.
Made me laugh when you said real techs don't use goop on valve cover gaskets because I remember a scotty kilmer video where he did that 🤣
Scotty Kilmer will recommend any product from anyone who sponsors him.
Scott is in it for the money.
Kilmer is a hack .
If customer agrees for you to fix, you’ve got a good project for yourself. Have fun..
I agree. New engine......
Tell the owner to leave the keys in it on southside Chicago.
@@Dirtyharry70585 hell yeah!! Best option yet
@@Dirtyharry70585 , don't need the keys there!
Oh wow just goes to show u got to be careful about these shops cheaper don't mean better i lather paid for quality work then to have that happen to me
The further this video goes on the more shoddy these previous "mechanic" hacks are revealed! Makuloco probably had nightmares from this one. I can't imagine the conversation he had with the owner or the bill he handed him! I can see this video presented in court as the owner sues the previous "mechanic" for Makuloco's repair costs.
I posted before the end... now I see you recommended a replacement engine. Which, if you do work on this, you MUST do, otherwise anything wrong going forward will be on you. That's the problem with repairing a bad mechanics work; you now own it. Smart advice to replace the engine. But then, everything you do is smart! Your videos are always fantastic, very educational, and detailed. And your shop is so CLEAN!! LOL, I bet your house is a mess...
I think you are correct Brian. That must have been a remanufactured engine from one of those place u c online. $2300 reman engine. Who knows what’s going on in there. I totally agree with u. Not worth ur time to work on that engine. Even if u do the timing job... he will still have the oil pressure/volume issues. Start from scratch with a reman engine from Ford or trade humpty in!!
That's the problem with the automotive repair world. There's no quality control and shops aren't accountable for poor workmanship.
If you don't have a mechanic you can trust or can't do it yourself, your better off taking it to the dealer.
It’s sad to see this crap. A well maintained 5.4 can last for a very long time
I have customers who religiously maintains their 5.4s and have had early mileage failures
I hope you're submitting this video to help this guy when he takes the shop that did this to court, or at the very least showing the shop that they owe him money! Wow..what a hack job.
EDIT: Actually? This looks like it was done by ANY of the shops within 50 miles of my house...probably charged him $5K for the job too...and then blamed him for all the issues (all already existed before they did the job)...VERY typical in my area where they break something and say "That was already broken", "That was already missing", etc. All hacks by me...even in the dealerships.
Bow down to you sir your videos help me all the time on the 15 fords in my family.
Awesome video . Im new to this engine and im doing a timing job . This is a great example of what not to do . I find it so hard to access the valve cover bolts on the back on the passenger side . But yea the forgotten 4 bolts on the oil pan is a joke .
Would loved to see behind the front cover! Shame that the customer got so screwed, beyond shoddy workmanship. As always, thanks for the amazing video.[
What a mess. A lot to deal with for it to only have 102k. Keep us posted on the truck if they decide to fix it
This is where one of those old sayings makes sense, "spend a little now, or alot later" lol
All these things sure put worry lines on my face from the 5.4. I have a 2010 F150 in Lariat version and have never had the engine apart. It does have a ticking on the passenger side valve cover which goes away after a few seconds and there is some brass filings in the oil when I change the oil and filter.
Your videos do go a long way to tell me what to look for and what to replace. Thanks Brian.
From what I watched from his previous videos, the ticking noise that goes away after a few seconds is not good and will eventually destroy your engine.
@@RandomHeroGames I am suspecting a bad cam follower and when the oil pressure comes up, it removes some of the play. Brian did say that the 2009 and up cam followers should be replaced before engine catastrophe. Maybe where the brass is coming from. I better pull my covers and check. Not looking forward to this.
Few seconds ticking at valve cover is fine. Thats the hydraulic lifters filling. I think its the chain slap at start up that indicates it needs a timing job. That's the bad one that needs to be addressed.
Had similar situation there filings looks like brass but was aluminum that had oil on it. Timing chain tensioner blew and chain was rubbing on timing cover
@@joseph123456 Had that thought as well. I will be going there if nothing up under the valve cover. Thanks.
I feel so bad for this guy. Hopefully you can get it back to great shape and he can enjoy it for along time afterwards
COME ON NOW ,A NEW ENGINE ,REALLY TAKE IT TO WARREN HE WILL FIX THAT DAMM THING. 😜
@@johnkrupalla4973 you take it to Brian. It will be done right
Huge crack on the exhaust manifold too.
The biggest problem i see is that head being replaced without the bore journal being checked, the first and last cam caps if there is wear the head/camshaft will not properly oil for the phaser to work right. Good old dorman phasers i stopped using them on the ford 3 valve years ago from the unreliability of them. They rock back and forth at idle and part throttle witch sets phaser codes.
With the previous work and now needing a new engine, the value of the truck has been exceeded.
Man, I wish this guy lived in my town. He would be my mechanic.
THANK YOU FOR CALLING OUT THE F******HACKS I have been doing this for 50 years and I cannot even count how many should be out of this industry. I only DIAGNOSE now. I am A. ASE Master. TECH FOR 38 plus years
Finding this channel was about the only positive thing that came out of my car's infamous EcoBoost tick. Please do a follow up video on this!
Brian is the best! I had him do my timing chain, plugs ,coils, water and oil pump on my Mazda Cx-9 3 weeks ago with 242k miles! Runs like new! I should get at least 400k out of this engine! If you want your ford engine to run as it should. Take it to him!!!
Where is he located?
"It's a 5.4 3 valve of course"..that says it all.
Did I mention that I was very happy to trade in my 2009 F-150 on my 2020 Silverado! It was starting to make the normal 5.4 three valve noises. Very happy to be back in the GM family! :)
@@railroadjim China is thankful for your support😉
@@Silent_Shadow At least he didn't buy a Buick.
Chevy? You better have some good walking shoes or triple A so when it breaks down😂
@@ricardomartinez5088 That F150 was the only Ford product that I've owned, and I was really disappointed with the engine, and the fact that it rusted out in record time. My GM products usually have transmission failures, so the engine having a problem was new for me! :)
I would own another Ford someday, but never with that piece of crap 5.4 3-valve engine in it! I can't believe the inherent problems with that engine. Talk about something designed by engineers who never have to maintain the product that they designed....
It really upsets me when people get ripped off like that.
It upset me even more when they done it to me when I was broke.SMH
the shop name should be mentioned. the only problem is we don't know the full history and who did what. this truck may have run through multiple shops
I am a 20 year professional technician and I’ve owned a shop for almost 2 years. I have worked for a new car dealership, chain stores and Indy shops. The people running the indy shops and chain stores have this thing in their heads that the dealership parts are super expensive which just isn’t true sure some stuff like converters are more expensive because they actually work but many many parts are actually cheaper at the dealer ive paid 49 dollars for oxygen sensors at the dealer and the part stores wanted 78 bucks. I’ve had gaskets be cheaper at the dealer and I’ll tell u the aftermarket gaskets get super soft and leak and the aftermarket gaskets aren’t always the same size so the gaskets never fit like a dealer gasket. I’ve put aftermarket timing chains next to a dealer timing chain and the aftermarket chains were longer lol and the best part is the timing chain from the dealer was 7 dollars more but it came with new guide bolts! Now that I have my own shop I buy so many parts from the dealer and I don’t have the come backs that other shops have from simple part failures that are totally avoidable. Sure I do buy aftermarket parts I don’t get everything from the dealerships but I only get stuff like brakes, belts, radiators, and stuff like that I buy all engine parts, all electronic parts from the dealer it gets rid of a lot of headaches.
What a nightmare. I'd be interested to know how the customer reacted to the news and the bill for the diagnostics. I laugh at the guys on the 5,4 3V Facebook group who stand by aftermarket engine parts. This is a perfect example of why it's so important to do it right with Genuine Ford Parts. Great video, Brian.
On my timing job, I used Melling parts for the timing kit (phasers and VCT solenoids as well) and M340HV oil pump, Ford OEM on the roller followers and Engine Tech on the lash adjusters (I figured they're not a moving part, so it would be ok). Spent about $1400
This is the engine that broke me from ever buying another Ford of any kind. I bought nothing but Ford trucks starting in 1980, started having problems with a 1998 model and I finally gave up in 2010.
My Tundra has given me no problems.
That poor owner , he should definitely get his money back for that hack job
The problem is (multiple shops), each will claim the other guy did it....
The cam bearing caps ive seen before. I immediately thought the same thing you did about someone swapping a head and using caps off the old one. Then I really got thinking about it. Whats happened is someone pulled down the head themselves and sent it out to the machine shop to have a valve done or some kind of work, head gets washed at the machine shop but the caps stayed at the mechanics shop. So they probably are the correct caps and their factory stamped for their position. But it is annoying since you can't be sure by looking at it. And I agree the second I saw head gasket dope on it id be calling a new motor. It hurts a bit to look at this kind of work, but working for a dealer you see it a whole lot when people finaly give up and bring it to you. They sell some kit with the complete timing setup for these motors and a lot of people go at it in their driveway and end up shipping the mangled mess off to us after.
What I learned from this video: My 360CI Fe engine that I just rebuilt in my 1972 ford p/u will outlive this engine. Every time you look for ways to complicate the plumbing, you create new ways to create a clog.
Yep...totally agree...theyve just gone too far off the deep end now. I got a coupla older trucks..80 chevy and a 94 cherokee...got no interest in anything newer than a 95.
Much respect for the diagnosis Brian! That brown goop looked like that old Indian Head gasket shellac? Feel bad for the owner at least he has it at the right shop now!
Man im so glad i found ur channel way back when i did..would rather have ur insight and knowledge than what mitchell or alldata give me..and then for things i have yet to encounter
Yup, he's the best!
You my friend are top notch. Very well made video. 11/10
Wow what a jackpot… That customer is going to be soooooo pissed lol
2min into the video I already came to the conclusion he did. I wouldn't have my name on someone else's mess.
Exactly. You'll end up "marrying" it if you decide to try and sort out that hack job. There's lots of stuff potentially hiding there that could bite you so hard. It's best to just walk away.
That customer isn’t gonna be happy to hear “you need a motor”
Options are walking.
@@Dirtyharry70585 or sell it.. but then the next guy will be the poor sucker.. I’d look at just a used motor
What's up Brian! I'm been following you since you were in your garage, you always have great knowledge and integrity. I don't comment a lot but certainly I'm happy for you success!
Regarding to this truck, was it drivable? Is so it wouldn't be better recommendation running this engine until self destroy and then replace? 🤔 not sure, but sure he is already behind the 8 ball.. if can't get anything out the other shop.
We've got a 5.4 from 2004 that just runs amazing, we do all the maintenance ourselves, never miss an oil change, spark plugs and coils twice, runs without missing a beat, it has a cold air intake, flowmaster cat back, and a shift kit, 3 stage programmer, expedition
I bet it has been to 4 different backyards, not repair shops. Wouldn't be surprised if the owner and a couple of buddies hacked it up.
At 18:56 it seems to show a crack on the passenger exhaust manifold, could be oil but definitely looks like a crack. Run !
What a hack job! I feel sorry for that customer. I hope he accepts your advise and replaces that junk of an engine
Watching a couple vids. Learning alot from them.
You know a thing or two!!
Knowledge is power.
Good things to know and keep in the back pocket🤙🤙
Let us know if he goes with a new engine.
This is why the flat rate pay system needs to go, shoddy work trying to beat book time.
Not sure it would any difference. Always benefits to be had from racing book time and still charging for book time.
I don't even have that much confidence. Those shop hours for maintenance are padded already, so most can be done under that time. That's fine.. but in most cases there's not enough competence or desire to do it properly in the first place. How many mechs actually follow a shop manual to the letter, or even use one?
My work doesn’t look like this. Flat rate is my best friend.
Appreciate an update Brian. Did the customer elect to have a new engine installed, or is he going to try to cobble some more stuff together to try make it run? Thanks as always for the vids!
Great video! This is a heartbreaker for the owner who (as I remember) is out 4K-5K on this truck plus the new engine!
Been a long time hope you been well @FordTechMakULoco
That would of been five grand down payment on a new fiddy
and the new one would rip this one to shreds 😆
The old gasket people used call shellac can sticky sheet
Man i just picked up ids a few months ago. Wish i found your channel sooner