I love how he says "I might be doing the exact same thing if I was in your position" cause we all know he would absolutely do this to save Picard and the gang.
I like to think his comment can also be read like, "I'd do exactly what you're doing. Except I'd be watching for a positive phase invariance on the tachyon emitter. Most people wouldn't think to watch for that."
This exchange between Chakotay and Geordi is awesome. Not simply because it's Chakotay talking to Geordi, but because both show understanding for each other's position and even wishing each other luck.
FekLeyrTarg's Videos my thoughts exactly. They both know they would do what the other is doing in their position, and there's no animosity toward the fact that they'll have to fight. It just is. Such a great scene.
I find it a bit ridiculous that LaForge would say "same to you" to someone who is trying to wipe out his timeline. I mean at the very least it's the lives of his crew at stake.
ChernobylPizza maybe in the sense he hopes they come out ok even if he does have to kick the delta flyers ass with his ship, that they'll not be seriously injured
@@ChernobylPizza I think on some level, La Forge is sort of hoping that if Chakotay is successful, things might turn out for the better, but he's been around the universe and experienced more than his fair share of time travel adventures to know the risks of what Chakotay is trying to pull off
It was a great touch to have LeVar cameo here as he was directing the episode. They really nailed his character in this little exchange. Compassionate, diplomatic, honest, and respectful. I also saw a little tug of the tunic in there as maybe a Picard maneuver nod. One of the best Voyager episodes overall. I think LeVar did a fine job helping Beltran and Wang get that 15 years of emotional weight hanging on them.
This was easily one of the best scenes in “Timeless”. When you hear La Forge talk about what’s at stake, you get the sense that the stakes weigh on him as well. For someone facing the gravity of these stakes (his own crew and 15 years of history), La Forge maintains his composure and focus very well. In part, I think that La Forge understanding what Chakotay and Kim were fighting for created the space for mutual respect and civil conversation. Not a hotheaded battle of words.
the act of saving money by just doing a closeup of him in the ready room alone with just a standard chair and desk borrowed from the set added onto it more…he nailed it three times as director there: storytelling, budgetary and visually
@@sarahberkner He's shown compassion for Data on multiple occasions but if you want examples of compassion for others, "The Enemy" and "Identity Crisis" from TNG come to mind. I do think though that Geordi is a bit handicapped by design in that it's more difficult to detect compassion when you can't see someone's eyes. In a way he's more robotic-looking than Data.
This is experienced Laforge. Learning about the perils of fake relationships, good (but troubled) subordinates, and all of his experience, good and bad, on Enterprise would make him a great captain.
In the future, in around 2018, they create Star Treks that are nothing like this. The characters are actually jerks and would never be this classy. 😆 One will be called Discovery and the other Picard.
Ouch, can you imagine being Captain LaForge's chief engineer? "How long chief?" "Ooooooh, at least two hours captain." "Bullshit. Me and a mouthy kid called Wes did it in thirteen minutes. Get on it." Nowhere to hide.
They're so civil it's touching. They each understand the other's difficult position, and even wish each other luck! We need this kind of amiability in the world.
Because they understand each others motivations and goals precisely. As Geordi said "I understand. And I might be doing the same thing if I were in your position."
@@danielhaire6677 i also think geordi doesn't want to catch them something in the way he said 'you know i have to TRY and stop you' he know he would being doing the same thing if role was reversed
The respect they have for each other, with La Forge knowing what it means to serve with a crew that pretty much becomes your family. This is how you write great and believable dialogue...
I love that LeVar decided to make a cameo appearance during this episode; also it feels right that his command is a Galaxy class. Really enjoy the mutual respect and civil conversation between Geordi and Chakotay.
According to novels and STO, the Challenger is also basically the Flagship of the Starfleet Corps of Engineers, so you can bet she's got some crazy tricks up her sleeve.
I’d follow him into battle. After all, He’s been helping me chase Rainbows for years. “I never would’ve gotten through my first year at the Academy without him.” Levar has always been my, Boothby.
This is what makes the difference between a good and a bad episode. In a bad episode, the captain would just be some asshole rattling down Starfleet regulations. But having another main character there makes the morality here ambiguous.
Not just that, but the mutual understanding and respect between them. They both think they're right, but both understand the other's position. Moreover, they regret that their paths have had to cross in this manner and genuinely wish things could have played out differently.
Real world Sovereign class was just for films, although the USS Sovereign appears in DS9 ‘What You Leave Behind’ briefly. In universe there were a lot more Galaxy class built, there were hundreds in DS9 during the war arc.
Sadly one of the few flaws of DS9, no Sovereign showed up ever, not even a mention of it. The perfect time to show the class was there would have been when they stand on destroyed Cardassia Prime in the last episode and Admiral Ross should have said: "Sovereign, one to beam up." That would have been enough for me.
I always remember this scene. So relevent to life! People dont want to cause trouble for each other often, but they do because they are put in to a position where they feel they have to.
+Amit Divecha Considering how long Miranda- and Excelsior-class ships have been in service, Galaxy glass will probably be in service for a long time, too.
+Chibiabos Wolf According to canon, the Galaxy Class never lasted that long. The class was plagued with horrible compromises and frailties that made the made the ship seem like it was made of glass. Despite a designed 150 year service life, the most a Galaxy Class lasted was maybe 30 years. The only reason anymore Galaxies were finished, not built from scratch, is the losses suffered against the Dominion. After the last few space frames, keels, were used, no new Galaxy class ships were built. And Star Fleet moved on to new ships like the Sovereign.
Well at least we know the D lasted as long as she could. Any other starship would have been destroyed once the torpedoes matched the shield frequencies they would have passed right through. Maybe some ablative armour would have made it last a bit longer but eventually it would have been damaged just as bad.
It makes sense. Picard admits in "Q Who" that Starfleet had gotten complacent. The Galaxy seems rather antiquated compared to ships that appear in DS9 and Voyager. A lumbering dinosaur compared to the speed and efficiency of the Intrepid or the tactical prowess of the Prometheus. Also, 30 years seems on the money. Future Riker says in "All Good Things" that they wanted to decommission the Enterprise-D five years ago (from his perspective), which would be around 2390. She was launched in 2363.
I love how Geordi takes the job so seriously. Although he seems to be calling from his Ready Room. Just because his ship is in the middle of a hot pursuit doesn't mean he needs to cut his tea break short.
In reality, they probably did this so they wouldn't have to rebuild the bridge set and hire a bunch of extras to staff the bridge. In-universe, my guess is that the existence of the Borg temporal transmitter is classified, same as the Omega molecule. So he made the call from his ready room so as not to leak classified information to the crew.
I would love to see a new series based on Captain LaForge and the gallant USS Challenger. I think it would be fun and I always did like Geordi and LeVar.
Well, if you play STO, The challenger shows up a number of times, both to assist you if you play federation, or as a tough boss fight if you're KDF early on. The Klingon Intel guy with you basically goes "Ah @#$%, it's the Challenger."
@@michaelgreenwood3413 I got a good giggle out of K'met basically do the Klingon version of dreading the fact that one ship means a nightmare fight is coming because the captain is a legend.
he has to follow through with procedure or he is outside Starfleet, plus screwing with timeline could mean Voyager gets federation into a galactic war or have great parties and no one wants to risk it being war instead of parties
When it comes to rewriting history, it's just not a good idea to gamble on changing it. Even if you intend to save lives, that changed event could cause a worse future to come about.
The level of respect for loyalty in this scene is outstanding. LaForge has his orders, even believes in those orders, but he also understands the burden of a failed command, and the need to do everything in one's power to correct that failure. Masterfully delivered.
La Forge is also concerned about the well being of his crew and is worried about what’ll happen to them if Chakotay and Kim succeed. In an interesting parallel, Chakotay expressed sadness at losing Tessa if they succeeded.
I loved Geordi here, he knows full well what they’re about to do and will try to stop them but privately he’s saying, “if it were up to me, I’d look the other way.”
I like that he killed seven to do this. She was frozen we have seen borg revive after being frozen from their nanoprobes. There is a chance she would have been reviavable with her implants instead he boiled her.
In the Trek world, Geordi and Chakotay are two of my favorites. The scene of them is very well performed, even to the moments they wish good luck, understanding each other’s position.
The Star Trek space time continuum looks like a patch up bike tire tube that was driven over a bed of nails they have go back/forward/sideways in time. "I hate temporal mechanics, the past is the future, the future is the past. Ugh, enough to give me a headache" - - Captain Katherine Janeway.
Geordi talks to people in a very polite and collected way. Very professional and very patient. He wants to try to reason with them and even when they continue to rebel, he understands and wishes them luck. Geordi is an underrated character who unfortunately got abused more times than he should’ve.
+decodeddiesel Only thing cooler would have been if they had shot his scene from a bridge set... alas the old Enterprise D bridge had been long destroyed by the time they produced this episode.
+PMW3 So did Dr. Crusher in "All Good Things..." And so did Tripp, In that alternative timeline episode of Enterprise (just a shame that apart from Scott Bakula & Doctor Floxx, Enterprise was dogshit).
Likely the artificial gravity could not compensate for anything more serious then that. And since nobody is strapped in a crash couch anything more evasove would fling the crew of a ship around like rag dollls.
I love how Geordi wishes him luck. In a small way he wants him to succeed because he knows this if it were the enterprise he would have stopped at nothing to do the same thing
I always liked that Geordi was apparently making this call from his quarters. Like yeah, protecting the timeline is an important mission and all, but he's the captain... he can do it without putting on pants first.
15 years of history…funny enough, they’re still wearing the same uniforms as him on ships in Lower Decks making a rare case of future events coming true in a way!
How pleasant it is when enemies do not hate each other deeply and do not seek to destroy each other (no matter what it costs), but treat each other with respect, understanding and decency.
It never gets old watching these clips. This is what you get when you have developed characters and good actors playing said characters. Sure they may be "enemies" at the moment, but they are both sympathetic (especially Geordi)
1:15 "Now you ask me to believe that if I make a choice other than the one that appears in your history books, then your past will be irrevocably altered. You know Professor, perhaps I don't give a damn about your past, because your past is my future! And as far as I'm concerned, it hasn't been written yet!" Thus Picard was considered a god for giving Geordi a philosophical Gibbs Slap from across space and time.
+Schwatvogel Well, yes and no. We are on Harry's and Chakotay's side, because they are main characters. But what they are doing here is a villainous thing. By having another main character on the other side, the episode acknowledges this. It could have been Riker or Dax, but since LeVar Burton directed, they didn't need another actor.
+Jaegar Ultima I love all the cameos and crossovers. :) McCoy on TNG's "Encounter at Farpoint", Scotty on TNG's "Relics", Spock on TNG's "Unification, Part I & II", Julian Bashir on TNG's "Birthright, Part I", Quark on TNG's "Firstborn", Captain Kirk, Scotty and Chekov in Star Trek: Generations, Picard/Locutus on DS9's "Emissary", Q on DS9's "Q-Less", Thomas Riker on DS9's "Defiant", the DS9/TOS crossover: "Trials and Tribble-ations", Lwaxana Troi on DS9's "The Forsaken", DS9's "Fascination" and DS9's "The Muse" Tuvok on DS9's "Through the Looking Glass", The Doctor (Emergency Medical Hologram)/Dr. Lewis Zimmerman on DS9's "Doctor Bashir, I Presume", The Doctor (Emergency Medical Hologram) in Star Trek: First Contact, Quark on Voyager's "Caretaker", Q on Voyager's "Death Wish" (even with William T. Riker), Voyager's "The Q and the Grey" and Voyager's "Q2" Sulu on Voyager's "Flashback", Geordi La Forge on Voyager's "Timeless", Deanna Troi on Voyager's "Pathfinder", Voyager's "Life Line" and Voyager's "Inside Man", Reginald Barclay on Voyager's "Projections", Voyager's "Pathfinder", Voyager's "Life Line", Voyager's "Inside Man", Voyager's "Author, Author" and Voyager's "Endgame", Janeway in Star Trek: Nemesis, The Borg drones (from Star Trek: First Contact) on Enterprise's "Regeneration" (which connects to TNG's episodes: "The Neutral Zone", "Q Who" and "The Best of Both Worlds, Part I & II"), the Constitution-class Federation starship USS Defiant and TOS uniforms on Enterprise's "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part I & II", William T. Riker and Deanna Troi on Enterprise's "These Are the Voyages..." and Spock in Star Trek (2009) and Star Trek into Darkness.
This is really classic!! and I loved how La Forge is doing here. He's hailing from his private quarters, not the bridge, so the conversation would be private, very respectful.
The best thing is that Geordi actually gets command of the Challenger in STO. In the first mission of the Klingon War story, Geordi comes to help us take down a Undine vessel. He is also in other missions and episodes
He also shows up as a boss fight on the KDF side early on. I like to think that the Challenger Disengaging was actually BECAUSE Geordi just got the call to come help you. Preventing a Prison break of Klingons wasn't as important as saving the lives of over a hundred Starfleet personnel from an Undine Dreadnaught.
I love how in alternate timelines & other interesting cases, lower ranking officers end up commanding starships & have other important positions in Starfleet & alien postings. Harry Kim: Rhode Island- Nova Class Geordi La Forge: Challenger- Galaxy Class Be'lanna Torez: Federation Liaison to the Klingon Empire The Doctor- 1) Personal physician to Admiral Janeway 2) Back up program captured by the Kyrians, later become Surgical Chancellor.
I honestly love the idea that La Forge made captain. As much as I love him as an engineer, this is a great way to pick up on his trajectory from season 1 of TNG. Much like they did with Sulu in TOS.
I love this conversation between these two because you kind of realize that the two of them would be friends if it wasn't for this particular situation.
Geordi La Forge is such a cool guy. Even when he's threatening to blow up my ship, I wouldn't take it personally....not with Geordi La Forge, he's got his reasons, good reasons.
La Forge is the same age as we see him in ST Voyager "Timeless" by the time of Picard Season 3. Incredible alternate timeline parallels almost 25 years apart, this November 18th 2023.
The exchange between Capt. LaForge and Chakotay was great however it was surreal to see the doc holding the Borg part of 7's skull with the eye still preserved.
@@marcziegenhain8420 Reg seems to be thriving in the theoretical side of things. I don't think that he's cut out for the ship life as much as station life.
All 3 second-gen series did good ones. "All Good Things...", "The Visitor" (more of a personal story but still alternate future), and "Timeless". Most people would probably rank Timeless last but it's definitely solid :)
He also knows the loyalty that officers like Chakotay have to their crews as he was raised in Starfleet by Picard and Riker to have similar loyalty. So Geordi knows what he has to do duty wise but can still wish a fellow officer luck in saving those with whom he served.
+billyboyjennings This is something they do all the time. Despite the vast distances that characters will always spout, every ship is visible on screen. It's so odd once you realize it.
+billyboyjennings This isn't the only thing that gets to me about that measurement...maximum phaser range=300,000 kilometers...If the Challenger had been doing its job, they would've hailed them far sooner...Sorry, Geordi, but you're slipping, bro.
But did he want to destroy the shuttle? The distance for precise targeting may be much shorter. If he did, he would just fire photon torpedoes much sooner.
Marco while we know it is really just for the viewers, the logic is that there is a warp containment field that allows everything to function normally within a warped environment. Even with modern physics when you introduce a warped environment (like inside a black hole or Jupiter's core) the laws don't work the same
Such a treat, need to look it up online! As for the dialogue, at least they were cordial and wished each other luck instead of threatening destruction, bloodshed and crap.
You have to wonder where our species will be in 2370. Over 350 years away.....thinking what was 350 years before....well...who knows...fun to think about.
+David Hutchinson It's a real pity the average human only lives about 80 years. Damnn......I would really like to know how the world look likes in 2370, and if we will have starships like the Enterprise. The concept is not really that far fetched.
+David Hutchinson I plan to be around long into the future. One day, in the not too distant future, Jesus Christ is set to return to earth, and when He does, all His followers are going to be brought back to life out of the ground and given immortal bodies, and we will never die. And then Jesus will destroy all the enemies of His people and will rule over the whole planet. So yes, I suspect things will be quite different in the year 2370! Believe me when I say that the things the Lord has in store for the future are far more amazing, more wonderful, and more glorious than anything science-fiction has ever come up with. I love the Star Trek universe, but the future we see in Star Trek will look bleak and dismal in comparison to the glorious things Jesus is really going to do. And not in some kind of 'afterlife' like Sto-vo-kor - but right here in the real world. The whole of creation around us is testimony to how awesome and brilliant a creator He is: from the smallest insect, to the awe of the mountains, planets and galaxies. So we can only imagine how amazing it will be if the Lord who made the universe actually comes to live on earth and begins creating a brand new and perfect world (starting with His believers, giving us brand new and perfect bodies - and we will likely be able to teleport at will like Jesus could after He was resurrected). The Bible says that this will all happen, and just in case anyone didn't know, the Bible has been 100% correct about every prediction it ever made about the future. It contains 735 separate prophecies, of which 596 (81%) have already come true, with the remaining 139 mostly predicting what will happen after the Lord Jesus returns to earth. If anyone doubts that the Bible really is the word of God, I strongly recommend a book called 'Cosmic Codes' by Chuck Missler. He provides proof that the Bible could only have been written by an entity beyond time and space. :) It is very exciting. I do love the optimism of Star Trek, and I do believe that one day mankind will be "better", and "good". However, human beings are basically lousy and no matter how hard they try, they can never be truly good. They are all corrupt, with evil thoughts and desires. If God gave us all a perfect universe now, we would ruin it, because sin would inevitably creep back in. There is only one way to fix this mess we're in, of man's predisposition to sin. There is a plan that is currently in progress, right now, and it began 2,000 years ago on a Cross in Jerusalem when Jesus died to pay the price for sin, for the forgiveness of guilty men (like me - and maybe you?). Jesus is leading people to salvation from sin, people from all over the world, to take them into the New World He is going to build. If you want to know more about the future, the Bible is the book to read. It foretells the whole of history from beginning to end. And if you want to get to know more about Jesus then read the Gospel of John, or just speak to Him. He heard my prayer a long time ago, and answered me.
+David Hutchinson there is a website, www.futuretimeline.net, which is a compilation of all projected events based on things like scientific estimates and technology curves. It put everything together in a tidy timeline that can be easily viewed to show where, according to current projections, we will be in the next decade, the end of the century, and next century. After the 23rd century, though, there is almost no point in trying to predict our course as you will see on the site. Lots of great reading on there!
Same, specially the "War Galaxies" in DS9. Also love that in STO, they show that the Galaxy-X Dreadnought still ended up being designed too and it becomes Starfleet's go-To battleship in the opening of the new Klingon War in that game (at least until newer battleships like the Avenger and Typhoon get designed)
+Tom Holmes My favorite combadge is the one from TNG's "Future Imperfect" (also featured in "Parallels") which also indicates the rank. With its square shape, it looks similar to what was to become the real future combadge, first introduced in Generations, then DS9 and Voyager. :)
+Tom Holmes I wish voyager did more of these kinds of episodes. Timeless is litterly one of the best episodes. Screw them fillers why not more of these great episodes about anything? voyager is a wasted oppertunity.
Why do i have the feeling that LaForge is talking out of his ready room with the Delta Flyer. His chair seems out of place to be on the Bridge. And thats where a captain has to be during a pursuit...(I guess they had no bridge set ready for a galaxy class ship^^)
Not sure if that's an error. You'll notice, it looks distinctly different, and he is either speaking with Tessa, or Chakotay. Camera angle shifts depending on the person spoken to.
+ThatsMrFrank Yeah, that's a pity. They could've borrowed the bridge set from either Voyager or the Defiant. There's a set they used for a lot of movie or "guest" ships including the Enterprise-A and B, the Excelsior, the Prometheus, and the Equinox.
+ThatsMrFrank I think the real reason for this is because LaForge wanted to conduct private negotiations. You could tell he was sympathetic to the cause. Picard would do the same thing in some cases in his ready room.
He's making an offer best not stated openly in front of his crew, especially if his XO (or anyone else on the bridge at the moment) is a real stickler for the regs.
Simple...You would not act like that to an "enemy" in front of your crew who obey your orders. He did that privately to be as candid as possible. Besides...if you are a Captain like LeForge..you do not need permission.
The nature of the mission would be highly classified since it involves time travel. Half of his bridge crew probably doesn't have clearance to know about this.
+Patrick Schulz You've implied he has any diplomacy skills. He does not. He also has no interesting back story, and is just essentially a walking cliché. He is the most bland 'character' of voyager (perhaps even the whole franchise).
Th H Maybe it's on account of growing up with the German dub and Chakotay's German voice actor putting a lot into the character, but I never considered Chakotay bland, personally. :B
I've not seen the German dub, but the non dub is just, snore. He has no charisma, no personality , he's got the boring tattoos that are just, urgh. They're meant to imply he's so cultured and mindful, but do you ever hear him crack a joke? Do you ever hear him have an opinion beyond "I think we should respect this culture"?
I don't think Jordy would have drew that out any further once he was told no it was nothing else to talk about once he pulled they sitting Picard maneuver and ask him a second time it was really nothing to talk about good luck
I love how he says "I might be doing the exact same thing if I was in your position" cause we all know he would absolutely do this to save Picard and the gang.
He wouldn't in Picard. He's a dried up, antagonistic coward in that show.
@@anicetune There's a difference though, cause it's not him resetting the timeline or anything in Picard. He also has daughters to protect.
@@anicetune Nah he’s back
@@anicetune You've just described "Jake" Skywalker from "The Last Jedi." LOL.
I like to think his comment can also be read like, "I'd do exactly what you're doing. Except I'd be watching for a positive phase invariance on the tachyon emitter. Most people wouldn't think to watch for that."
Geordi is not only a classy captain, he's being a classy human being.
He’s a reading rainbow👍😂😀
What happened happened Geordis viser
@@DEC19775 This was after the events of First Contact where he had received new ocular implants that looked more normal.
Stay classy San Diego
He learned both from the best of the best. Data.
This exchange between Chakotay and Geordi is awesome. Not simply because it's Chakotay talking to Geordi, but because both show understanding for each other's position and even wishing each other luck.
FekLeyrTarg's Videos my thoughts exactly. They both know they would do what the other is doing in their position, and there's no animosity toward the fact that they'll have to fight. It just is. Such a great scene.
Indeed, Geordi and Chakotay are gentlemen in the truest definition of the word.
I find it a bit ridiculous that LaForge would say "same to you" to someone who is trying to wipe out his timeline. I mean at the very least it's the lives of his crew at stake.
ChernobylPizza maybe in the sense he hopes they come out ok even if he does have to kick the delta flyers ass with his ship, that they'll not be seriously injured
@@ChernobylPizza I think on some level, La Forge is sort of hoping that if Chakotay is successful, things might turn out for the better, but he's been around the universe and experienced more than his fair share of time travel adventures to know the risks of what Chakotay is trying to pull off
It was a great touch to have LeVar cameo here as he was directing the episode. They really nailed his character in this little exchange. Compassionate, diplomatic, honest, and respectful. I also saw a little tug of the tunic in there as maybe a Picard maneuver nod. One of the best Voyager episodes overall. I think LeVar did a fine job helping Beltran and Wang get that 15 years of emotional weight hanging on them.
This was easily one of the best scenes in “Timeless”. When you hear La Forge talk about what’s at stake, you get the sense that the stakes weigh on him as well. For someone facing the gravity of these stakes (his own crew and 15 years of history), La Forge maintains his composure and focus very well. In part, I think that La Forge understanding what Chakotay and Kim were fighting for created the space for mutual respect and civil conversation. Not a hotheaded battle of words.
the act of saving money by just doing a closeup of him in the ready room alone with just a standard chair and desk borrowed from the set added onto it more…he nailed it three times as director there: storytelling, budgetary and visually
LaForge was originally the Enterprise's helmsman, and having a blind guy at the wheel was one of the original concepts deliberately added to the show.
I've never thought of him as being compassionate, but it's nice if he's had some character growth.
@@sarahberkner He's shown compassion for Data on multiple occasions but if you want examples of compassion for others, "The Enemy" and "Identity Crisis" from TNG come to mind.
I do think though that Geordi is a bit handicapped by design in that it's more difficult to detect compassion when you can't see someone's eyes. In a way he's more robotic-looking than Data.
Glad they didn't make LaForge a jerk in this, and gave him compassion.
I'd really like to see Top 10 Star Trek cameos of this kind.
I feel like LaForge would make a hell of a captain.
He directed this episode so im sure he wasnt gonna make his character look like an ass
This is experienced Laforge.
Learning about the perils of fake relationships, good (but troubled) subordinates, and all of his experience, good and bad, on Enterprise would make him a great captain.
Imagine being an engineer on his crew. You better make sure you know your stuff :P
"Good Luck"
"Same to you"
Honest sentiments from two officers who though on opposite sides understood each other perfectly.
I miss this
I love the grey area st gets her not
Seems like someone who got to watch one of Starfleets finest captain over the years
I love the mutual respect even when disagreeing. they understand each other: But you gotta do what you gotta do.
You saw the same mutual respect between Sisko and Dukat.
@@z8ph0d For the most part yes, though Sisko's respect of Dukat was less consistent than Dukat's respect for him.
In the future, in around 2018, they create Star Treks that are nothing like this. The characters are actually jerks and would never be this classy. 😆
One will be called Discovery and the other Picard.
Never going to please every body, you have to care to lead in the way that you "first do no harm".
@@z8ph0d That's not the same. Dukat is a space Nazi. Chakotay and LaForge are compassionate people.
Ouch, can you imagine being Captain LaForge's chief engineer?
"How long chief?"
"Ooooooh, at least two hours captain."
"Bullshit. Me and a mouthy kid called Wes did it in thirteen minutes. Get on it."
Nowhere to hide.
What's worse is when he asks for status updates and then asks every question in the book, and the engineer would have to repeat EVERY LITTLE DETAIL!
"But I can't go any faster, Sir! The procedure....!"
"I know.... I wrote it."
Yup, major PITA, but you'd sure learn a lot. Best Fleet engineer since Montgomery Scott.
Also he knows if you're lying cause of his visor
Not only that but he saved the Enterprise-D by working with Scotty.
They're so civil it's touching. They each understand the other's difficult position, and even wish each other luck! We need this kind of amiability in the world.
That was a great cameo.
STCU: Star Trek Cinematic Universe
Not a cameo.
He directed the episode too
"We're being hailed by the director of this Episode!"
"Plot armor to maximum. Target the green room."
@@timmorris2048 Green Room is down switching to blue.
@@mr.potato3936 Do we have any Coconuts?
"Target his instrument panel. It's their weak point."
toby
That has to be the friendliest exchange before battle in TV history. lol They even wished other luck before they started shooting at each other. . LOL
Because they understand each others motivations and goals precisely. As Geordi said "I understand. And I might be doing the same thing if I were in your position."
@@danielhaire6677 i also think geordi doesn't want to catch them something in the way he said 'you know i have to TRY and stop you' he know he would being doing the same thing if role was reversed
Men of honor.
@@thethomasj1795 Truly a rare thing in this day in age
Kang and sulu also had some great banter of mutual respect
Geordie will always be one of my favourite ever Star Trek characters. He always looked at both sides of the coin to find the best possible solution.
Still no match for Scotty. Give Scotty 24th century knowagle he run circles around geordie
@@spicyfoodchaser9406 I like LaForge more, and according to the TNG episode with Scotty, LaForge was more honest with his captain about repair time 😂
@@CenturionKZ haha, scotty was old school and older than his captain.
"It's either heads, or tails..... or roll it sideways into their exhaust point - just in front of the turret".
The respect they have for each other, with La Forge knowing what it means to serve with a crew that pretty much becomes your family. This is how you write great and believable dialogue...
I love that LeVar decided to make a cameo appearance during this episode; also it feels right that his command is a Galaxy class. Really enjoy the mutual respect and civil conversation between Geordi and Chakotay.
According to novels and STO, the Challenger is also basically the Flagship of the Starfleet Corps of Engineers, so you can bet she's got some crazy tricks up her sleeve.
@@michaelgreenwood3413 yeah, it's more or less like the "Swiss Army Knife" kind of ship. Oh wait, we should have Captain MavGyver for that matter too😂
@@michaelgreenwood3413 Hopefully he found a way to stop the coolant leaks.
I’d follow him into battle. After all, He’s been helping me chase Rainbows for years.
“I never would’ve gotten through my first year at the Academy without him.”
Levar has always been my, Boothby.
"Good luck."
"Same to you."
Something about that was really powerful.
This is what makes the difference between a good and a bad episode.
In a bad episode, the captain would just be some asshole rattling down Starfleet regulations. But having another main character there makes the morality here ambiguous.
adding TNG people always helps
Not just that, but the mutual understanding and respect between them. They both think they're right, but both understand the other's position. Moreover, they regret that their paths have had to cross in this manner and genuinely wish things could have played out differently.
@@asmcint This goes all the way back to "Balance of Terror" in TOS. Also taken back up with the Romulans again in "The Chase" in TNG.
@@robbybee70 Tell that to the Enterprise finale.
@@alphanerd7221 perhaps always was....excessive
I like that them saying “good luck” to each other is in no way threatening, more so implying “I understand you have to do this but so do I”
@U Cannot Defeat My Shmeet Truly a moment of heartfelt, genuine respect and empathy between two incredible individuals
I'd hate to be the engineering crew/chief on LaForge's Galaxy Class...
Whoever they are they're probably handpicked and the best in Starfleet
He may very well have a better engineer than the Enterprise
@@thebonecollections4478 true
Just like I bet money Captain Worf and Captain Riker got the most badass crews in the Federation
@@thebonecollections4478 I can see Worf sticking with a tricked out Defiant Class warship.
nice to see Geordi.
Didn't his eyes grow back in insurrection
I'm just trying to figure out why hes in a Galaxy class i figured they would have trashed that class once the Sovereign came out
Real world Sovereign class was just for films, although the USS Sovereign appears in DS9 ‘What You Leave Behind’ briefly.
In universe there were a lot more Galaxy class built, there were hundreds in DS9 during the war arc.
I didn't know it was DS9 ill have to rewatch that
Sadly one of the few flaws of DS9, no Sovereign showed up ever, not even a mention of it. The perfect time to show the class was there would have been when they stand on destroyed Cardassia Prime in the last episode and Admiral Ross should have said: "Sovereign, one to beam up."
That would have been enough for me.
I always remember this scene. So relevent to life! People dont want to cause trouble for each other often, but they do because they are put in to a position where they feel they have to.
Never thought Geordi LaForge would be on a Galaxy-Class Starship again
+Amit Divecha Yeah, the last one he was on blew up in his face. :P
+Amit Divecha Considering how long Miranda- and Excelsior-class ships have been in service, Galaxy glass will probably be in service for a long time, too.
+Chibiabos Wolf
According to canon, the Galaxy Class never lasted that long. The class was plagued with horrible compromises and frailties that made the made the ship seem like it was made of glass. Despite a designed 150 year service life, the most a Galaxy Class lasted was maybe 30 years.
The only reason anymore Galaxies were finished, not built from scratch, is the losses suffered against the Dominion. After the last few space frames, keels, were used, no new Galaxy class ships were built. And Star Fleet moved on to new ships like the Sovereign.
Well at least we know the D lasted as long as she could. Any other starship would have been destroyed once the torpedoes matched the shield frequencies they would have passed right through.
Maybe some ablative armour would have made it last a bit longer but eventually it would have been damaged just as bad.
It makes sense. Picard admits in "Q Who" that Starfleet had gotten complacent. The Galaxy seems rather antiquated compared to ships that appear in DS9 and Voyager. A lumbering dinosaur compared to the speed and efficiency of the Intrepid or the tactical prowess of the Prometheus.
Also, 30 years seems on the money. Future Riker says in "All Good Things" that they wanted to decommission the Enterprise-D five years ago (from his perspective), which would be around 2390. She was launched in 2363.
I love how Geordi takes the job so seriously. Although he seems to be calling from his Ready Room. Just because his ship is in the middle of a hot pursuit doesn't mean he needs to cut his tea break short.
In reality, they probably did this so they wouldn't have to rebuild the bridge set and hire a bunch of extras to staff the bridge. In-universe, my guess is that the existence of the Borg temporal transmitter is classified, same as the Omega molecule. So he made the call from his ready room so as not to leak classified information to the crew.
NOW THIS IS STAR TREK!!!! Mutual respect even in times of opposition! No finger pointing and name calling like whinny little children!!
"No finger pointing and name calling like whinny little children!!"
Q: "Hold my Romulan Ale"
"Sheer Fucking Hubris" :P
I would love to see a new series based on Captain LaForge and the gallant USS Challenger. I think it would be fun and I always did like Geordi and LeVar.
Dont let CBS touch it or Disney
Well, if you play STO, The challenger shows up a number of times, both to assist you if you play federation, or as a tough boss fight if you're KDF early on. The Klingon Intel guy with you basically goes "Ah @#$%, it's the Challenger."
@@dsilverleaf4668 Why the fuck would Disney touch it? What a stupid fucking comment.
@@michaelgreenwood3413 I got a good giggle out of K'met basically do the Klingon version of dreading the fact that one ship means a nightmare fight is coming because the captain is a legend.
Not even 15 years of alternate timeline can change Geordi La Forge. This ~70 seconds is one of my favorite cameos in the franchise.
Geordi gets the fact that if the roles were reversed he and even Picard would be doing to same and have done so many times before.
Fred Miller Dude they traveled back in time and broke the prime directive far too many times!
he has to follow through with procedure or he is outside Starfleet, plus screwing with timeline could mean Voyager gets federation into a galactic war or have great parties and no one wants to risk it being war instead of parties
When it comes to rewriting history, it's just not a good idea to gamble on changing it. Even if you intend to save lives, that changed event could cause a worse future to come about.
"If the situations were reversed" was one of Picard's favorite phrases
The Temporal Prime Directive didn't exist in Picard's time.
The level of respect for loyalty in this scene is outstanding. LaForge has his orders, even believes in those orders, but he also understands the burden of a failed command, and the need to do everything in one's power to correct that failure. Masterfully delivered.
La Forge is also concerned about the well being of his crew and is worried about what’ll happen to them if Chakotay and Kim succeed. In an interesting parallel, Chakotay expressed sadness at losing Tessa if they succeeded.
I loved Geordi here, he knows full well what they’re about to do and will try to stop them but privately he’s saying, “if it were up to me, I’d look the other way.”
0:19 love 7 of 9's cameo. Mindblowing!
I really liked that her skull was made of copper.
I like that he killed seven to do this. She was frozen we have seen borg revive after being frozen from their nanoprobes. There is a chance she would have been reviavable with her implants instead he boiled her.
Anybody else notice the little "pull down my shirt like Picard" at (1:19)
+Connor Ferreira (tckie) Thats the Picard Maneuver.
yes, I was laughing on that
Wow, never noticed that until I read the comment and rewind the video! Lol!!!
Comes with that captains chair
yep.. like.. whelp.. gotta do what we gotta do..
"You call these evasive maneuvers?" I just noticed Chakotay is just listing lazily to the left.
+PerryWhyte Well someone watched family guy. LOL
Ha ha v good
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+PerryWhyte I mean, evade how? It's empty space and their weapons are lightspeed or greater.
Simple (well not really if you get techy about it).. Targeting is based on where a ship is expected to be. If it does something else, you miss.
I think I geeked out a little when i saw him the first time in this scene, plus that good luck moment was an awesome in-character moment for laforge
In the Trek world, Geordi and Chakotay are two of my favorites. The scene of them is very well performed, even to the moments they wish good luck, understanding each other’s position.
After watching Picard, you know that he's also got 2 young girls at hime he's trying to protect.
OMG LaForge is hailing from his ready room! of course, if you're in charge of an Enterprise D you could do that even form the toilet.
What toilet?
youreale It's the USS Challenger...not the Enterprise.
Goodra Gaming My mistake.. thanks;
youreale :)
Considering the offer he made them - breaking Federation law (basically) - that'd be the kind of discussion you'd hold in the ready room.
Mutual respect and understanding each other's feelings. That's how a good episode is....
The Star Trek space time continuum looks like a patch up bike tire tube that was driven over a bed of nails they have go back/forward/sideways in time.
"I hate temporal mechanics, the past is the future, the future is the past. Ugh, enough to give me a headache" - - Captain Katherine Janeway.
Geordi talks to people in a very polite and collected way. Very professional and very patient. He wants to try to reason with them and even when they continue to rebel, he understands and wishes them luck. Geordi is an underrated character who unfortunately got abused more times than he should’ve.
CPT. LaForge!!! AWESOME!!!!
+decodeddiesel Only thing cooler would have been if they had shot his scene from a bridge set... alas the old Enterprise D bridge had been long destroyed by the time they produced this episode.
Shame it is only an 'alternative time-line'... so it didn't really happen....
+Johnboydownunder
It would be illogical too, because Geordi was an engineer. He never had the intentions to become a captain.
+Snowwie88 What's wrong with an engineer becoming a captain? Scotty made captain.
+PMW3
So did Dr. Crusher in "All Good Things..."
And so did Tripp, In that alternative timeline episode of Enterprise (just a shame that apart from Scott Bakula & Doctor Floxx, Enterprise was dogshit).
Love how respect and understanding they are.
You call these evasive maneuvers
Bridge: SIR! They're listing lazily to the left.
la forge: Boy, these guys know some maneuvers
Likely the artificial gravity could not compensate for anything more serious then that. And since nobody is strapped in a crash couch anything more evasove would fling the crew of a ship around like rag dollls.
@@rutger5000 That's what Inertial Dampeners are for.
@@Armageist Maybe those are limited
Lmao family guy reference
@@tacticalderpy2077 damn you responded a year later whahahaha
I love how Geordi wishes him luck. In a small way he wants him to succeed because he knows this if it were the enterprise he would have stopped at nothing to do the same thing
I always liked that Geordi was apparently making this call from his quarters. Like yeah, protecting the timeline is an important mission and all, but he's the captain... he can do it without putting on pants first.
Arguably, he's protecting his bridge crew from any fallout if Starfleet Command accuses him of having let them get away.
It was a Zoom call.
15 years of history…funny enough, they’re still wearing the same uniforms as him on ships in Lower Decks making a rare case of future events coming true in a way!
This was a Great glimpse at a potential future for Geordi LaForge,
he makes a great starship Captain! :D
Notice at 1:19 Le Forge tugs on his uniform... direct Picard reference!
He learned from the best. :-)
Picard Maneuver at around 1:18 if you look closely :)
no cowboy diplomacy?
How pleasant it is when enemies do not hate each other deeply and do not seek to destroy each other (no matter what it costs), but treat each other with respect, understanding and decency.
",why don't you drop your shields?.....but.....you don't have to take my word for it".......
It never gets old watching these clips. This is what you get when you have developed characters and good actors playing said characters. Sure they may be "enemies" at the moment, but they are both sympathetic (especially Geordi)
1:15 "Now you ask me to believe that if I make a choice other than the one that appears in your history books, then your past will be irrevocably altered. You know Professor, perhaps I don't give a damn about your past, because your past is my future! And as far as I'm concerned, it hasn't been written yet!"
Thus Picard was considered a god for giving Geordi a philosophical Gibbs Slap from across space and time.
Nice NCIS reference. As of today, NCIS and Star Trek are owned by CBS/Paramount.
The sincere Good Luck from Two Starfleet Officers is what I love about that scene
Something tells me that the reason why Geordi cameos in this episode is because LeVar Burton directed it.
+Schwatvogel
Well, yes and no.
We are on Harry's and Chakotay's side, because they are main characters. But what they are doing here is a villainous thing.
By having another main character on the other side, the episode acknowledges this.
It could have been Riker or Dax, but since LeVar Burton directed, they didn't need another actor.
+Jaegar Ultima
I love all the cameos and crossovers. :) McCoy on TNG's "Encounter at Farpoint", Scotty on TNG's "Relics", Spock on TNG's "Unification, Part I & II", Julian Bashir on TNG's "Birthright, Part I", Quark on TNG's "Firstborn", Captain Kirk, Scotty and Chekov in Star Trek: Generations, Picard/Locutus on DS9's "Emissary", Q on DS9's "Q-Less", Thomas Riker on DS9's "Defiant", the DS9/TOS crossover: "Trials and Tribble-ations", Lwaxana Troi on DS9's "The Forsaken", DS9's "Fascination" and DS9's "The Muse" Tuvok on DS9's "Through the Looking Glass", The Doctor (Emergency Medical Hologram)/Dr. Lewis Zimmerman on DS9's "Doctor Bashir, I Presume", The Doctor (Emergency Medical Hologram) in Star Trek: First Contact, Quark on Voyager's "Caretaker", Q on Voyager's "Death Wish" (even with William T. Riker), Voyager's "The Q and the Grey" and Voyager's "Q2" Sulu on Voyager's "Flashback", Geordi La Forge on Voyager's "Timeless", Deanna Troi on Voyager's "Pathfinder", Voyager's "Life Line" and Voyager's "Inside Man", Reginald Barclay on Voyager's "Projections", Voyager's "Pathfinder", Voyager's "Life Line", Voyager's "Inside Man", Voyager's "Author, Author" and Voyager's "Endgame", Janeway in Star Trek: Nemesis, The Borg drones (from Star Trek: First Contact) on Enterprise's "Regeneration" (which connects to TNG's episodes: "The Neutral Zone", "Q Who" and "The Best of Both Worlds, Part I & II"), the Constitution-class Federation starship USS Defiant and TOS uniforms on Enterprise's "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part I & II", William T. Riker and Deanna Troi on Enterprise's "These Are the Voyages..." and Spock in Star Trek (2009) and Star Trek into Darkness.
The Star Treker Kudos to you, dude! Live long, and prosper!
@@TheStarTreker Thank you! A great synopsis. I'm gonna have to go back and look at ALL of those.
"Sauce for the goose Mr. Saavik"
This is really classic!! and I loved how La Forge is doing here. He's hailing from his private quarters, not the bridge, so the conversation would be private, very respectful.
The best thing is that Geordi actually gets command of the Challenger in STO. In the first mission of the Klingon War story, Geordi comes to help us take down a Undine vessel. He is also in other missions and episodes
He also shows up as a boss fight on the KDF side early on. I like to think that the Challenger Disengaging was actually BECAUSE Geordi just got the call to come help you. Preventing a Prison break of Klingons wasn't as important as saving the lives of over a hundred Starfleet personnel from an Undine Dreadnaught.
Like two old warriors wishing each other the best before they drew swords and entered a battle to the death. I love this scene.
I love how in alternate timelines & other interesting cases, lower ranking officers end up commanding starships & have other important positions in Starfleet & alien postings.
Harry Kim: Rhode Island- Nova Class
Geordi La Forge: Challenger- Galaxy Class
Be'lanna Torez: Federation Liaison to the Klingon Empire
The Doctor- 1) Personal physician to Admiral Janeway
2) Back up program captured by the Kyrians, later become Surgical Chancellor.
Everytime you Made it to Captain a time travler visits oh this Timeline is wrong i delete it !
I'll bet more than a few crew members on Geordi's ship were thinking "I'm gonna do my job, but if they pull this off I'm fine with that."
Fun fact, LeVar Burton actually directed this episode of Voyager!
I honestly love the idea that La Forge made captain. As much as I love him as an engineer, this is a great way to pick up on his trajectory from season 1 of TNG. Much like they did with Sulu in TOS.
He makes a damned good captain.
I think a Star Trek show with Jordy as the captain could be interesting.
It'll be pretty cool if he gets a cameo in the Picard series they're planning.
Geordi*
Jordy? Seriously?
ahh the enjoyment of good star trek, amazing how a short clip is better than 2 seasons of discovery and picard
Nice moment with Geordi.
It was pretty cool seeing him as a capt. He definitely earned his pips IMO
love this "future-communicator"
One of my favorite scenes when they wish each other luck
More Star Trek in 1:43 seconds than in the entirety of Discovery.
Discovery operates on the notion that an entire story unfolds as guided by nothing but the immediate responses of emotional teenagers.
Oof so true tho
ain’t that the fucking truth!!!
Whatever the Mudd episodes were great.
One of the best Star trek episodes!
leforge looks snazzy in that uniform with blue eye balls!
TimeLess is one of my most favorite episodes ! Mr. Clutch Harry Kim STEPS UP BIGTIME !
At least Geordi LaForge is not wearing the VISOR. The cybernetic eyes are cooler.
I got them from 2372
Any chance we can put some on pre-order?
Even in the 24th century, they're probably Luxottica. And I bet he paid twice what they're worth.
Samson Crosswood I know, that's why I'm wanting to lock in a pre-order now. Can you imagine how much the price is gonna inflate in 300 years!?
Yeah, he dropped it after the first movie
I love this conversation between these two because you kind of realize that the two of them would be friends if it wasn't for this particular situation.
Geordi La Forge is such a cool guy. Even when he's threatening to blow up my ship, I wouldn't take it personally....not with Geordi La Forge, he's got his reasons, good reasons.
La Forge is the same age as we see him in ST Voyager "Timeless" by the time of Picard Season 3. Incredible alternate timeline parallels almost 25 years apart, this November 18th 2023.
The way anyone can change history with some effort, it is a wonder the galaxy does not speak Romulan.
The exchange between Capt. LaForge and Chakotay was great however it was surreal to see the doc holding the Borg part of 7's skull with the eye still preserved.
Only Miles O'Brien could handle being Laforge's Chief Engineer. He'd be like "bullshit I was there when you told Picard that nonsense"
Or Reg Barclay
@@marcziegenhain8420 Reg seems to be thriving in the theoretical side of things. I don't think that he's cut out for the ship life as much as station life.
I just finished watching this episode and I think it might be my favourite 'alternate future' episode.
All 3 second-gen series did good ones. "All Good Things...", "The Visitor" (more of a personal story but still alternate future), and "Timeless". Most people would probably rank Timeless last but it's definitely solid :)
@@jerodast Those episodes suck.
@@alphanerd7221 Interesting, tell me more.
"Same to you"
He says that like he's lying in bed next to Chakotay whispering in his ear. Weird lol
jeepxjdude2000 I'm sure the have pretty good audio compression in the 24th century. :)
You heard it, so he must have been speaking a bit louder!
It’s a solemn moment between the both of them , Geordi knows Chakotay is willing to die for what he believes, he also knows he might have to kill him.
He also knows the loyalty that officers like Chakotay have to their crews as he was raised in Starfleet by Picard and Riker to have similar loyalty. So Geordi knows what he has to do duty wise but can still wish a fellow officer luck in saving those with whom he served.
Plus Geordi is a Starfleet brat, his mom was a starship captain, so that life basically is how things work for him.
This episode might be one of my favorite
0:02
200,000 km distance...
+billyboyjennings This is something they do all the time. Despite the vast distances that characters will always spout, every ship is visible on screen. It's so odd once you realize it.
+billyboyjennings This isn't the only thing that gets to me about that measurement...maximum phaser range=300,000 kilometers...If the Challenger had been doing its job, they would've hailed them far sooner...Sorry, Geordi, but you're slipping, bro.
But did he want to destroy the shuttle? The distance for precise targeting may be much shorter. If he did, he would just fire photon torpedoes much sooner.
Marco while we know it is really just for the viewers, the logic is that there is a warp containment field that allows everything to function normally within a warped environment.
Even with modern physics when you introduce a warped environment (like inside a black hole or Jupiter's core) the laws don't work the same
Damn! Star Trek ships are way bigger than I thought xD
Such a treat, need to look it up online! As for the dialogue, at least they were cordial and wished each other luck instead of threatening destruction, bloodshed and crap.
Even in a militarized Starfleet, they are still going to have compassion, right before they turn you into space dust.
You have to wonder where our species will be in 2370. Over 350 years away.....thinking what was 350 years before....well...who knows...fun to think about.
+David Hutchinson
It's a real pity the average human only lives about 80 years.
Damnn......I would really like to know how the world look likes in 2370, and if we will have starships like the Enterprise. The concept is not really that far fetched.
+David Hutchinson I plan to be around long into the future. One day, in the not too distant future, Jesus Christ is set to return to earth, and when He does, all His followers are going to be brought back to life out of the ground and given immortal bodies, and we will never die. And then Jesus will destroy all the enemies of His people and will rule over the whole planet. So yes, I suspect things will be quite different in the year 2370!
Believe me when I say that the things the Lord has in store for the future are far more amazing, more wonderful, and more glorious than anything science-fiction has ever come up with. I love the Star Trek universe, but the future we see in Star Trek will look bleak and dismal in comparison to the glorious things Jesus is really going to do. And not in some kind of 'afterlife' like Sto-vo-kor - but right here in the real world.
The whole of creation around us is testimony to how awesome and brilliant a creator He is: from the smallest insect, to the awe of the mountains, planets and galaxies. So we can only imagine how amazing it will be if the Lord who made the universe actually comes to live on earth and begins creating a brand new and perfect world (starting with His believers, giving us brand new and perfect bodies - and we will likely be able to teleport at will like Jesus could after He was resurrected).
The Bible says that this will all happen, and just in case anyone didn't know, the Bible has been 100% correct about every prediction it ever made about the future. It contains 735 separate prophecies, of which 596 (81%) have already come true, with the remaining 139 mostly predicting what will happen after the Lord Jesus returns to earth.
If anyone doubts that the Bible really is the word of God, I strongly recommend a book called 'Cosmic Codes' by Chuck Missler. He provides proof that the Bible could only have been written by an entity beyond time and space. :) It is very exciting.
I do love the optimism of Star Trek, and I do believe that one day mankind will be "better", and "good". However, human beings are basically lousy and no matter how hard they try, they can never be truly good. They are all corrupt, with evil thoughts and desires. If God gave us all a perfect universe now, we would ruin it, because sin would inevitably creep back in.
There is only one way to fix this mess we're in, of man's predisposition to sin. There is a plan that is currently in progress, right now, and it began 2,000 years ago on a Cross in Jerusalem when Jesus died to pay the price for sin, for the forgiveness of guilty men (like me - and maybe you?). Jesus is leading people to salvation from sin, people from all over the world, to take them into the New World He is going to build.
If you want to know more about the future, the Bible is the book to read. It foretells the whole of history from beginning to end. And if you want to get to know more about Jesus then read the Gospel of John, or just speak to Him. He heard my prayer a long time ago, and answered me.
+Lee Bee stop putting Jesus everywhere... jeez
+David Hutchinson there is a website, www.futuretimeline.net, which is a compilation of all projected events based on things like scientific estimates and technology curves. It put everything together in a tidy timeline that can be easily viewed to show where, according to current projections, we will be in the next decade, the end of the century, and next century. After the 23rd century, though, there is almost no point in trying to predict our course as you will see on the site. Lots of great reading on there!
Keep preaching the truth, Brother! I pray that you find good ground in which to plant the seed of Christ's Word.
Always loved seeing the Galaxy Class starship in other ST shows.
Same, specially the "War Galaxies" in DS9. Also love that in STO, they show that the Galaxy-X Dreadnought still ended up being designed too and it becomes Starfleet's go-To battleship in the opening of the new Klingon War in that game (at least until newer battleships like the Avenger and Typhoon get designed)
Hey, isn't that the badge from the future from "All Good Things"?
+Tom Holmes Yes, it is. They also used the AGT-badges in "The Visitor" (DS9) and "Endgame" (VOY), along with the AGT-Uniforms.
+Tom Holmes My favorite combadge is the one from TNG's "Future Imperfect" (also featured in "Parallels") which also indicates the rank. With its square shape, it looks similar to what was to become the real future combadge, first introduced in Generations, then DS9 and Voyager. :)
+Tom Holmes It seels the uniform as well as badge have become the generally conceived future versions.... At least Q did get that right.
+Tom Holmes I wish voyager did more of these kinds of episodes. Timeless is litterly one of the best episodes. Screw them fillers why not more of these great episodes about anything? voyager is a wasted oppertunity.
fctiger74 LOL, why haven't your read my comment?
Geordi looks and sounds like a legit Captain. Good for him!
Standby weapons... Right, man. You're going to take on a Galaxy class starship with your shuttle. LOL
RIght? Are you freaking kidding me?
Voyager can take on a tactical cube without getting annihilated immediately, I totally believe the Delta Flyer taking on a Galaxy class.
Schwarzer Ritter
And that was the type of BS they were selling us in the end of Voyager....
Worked for the Jem'Hadar - their ship isn't much bigger lol
j/k
@@TSEDLE333 The Borg are weak and the Delta flyer is one of the best ships in the fleet.
Very subtle 3D screen, changing point of view depending on who's talking to LaForge. The attention to detail is impressive!
Why do i have the feeling that LaForge is talking out of his ready room with the Delta Flyer. His chair seems out of place to be on the Bridge. And thats where a captain has to be during a pursuit...(I guess they had no bridge set ready for a galaxy class ship^^)
I imagine a conversation like that would have cast a lot of doubt on him on his ability to lead, so that's a conversation best held in private.
Considering the offer he made them - breaking Federation law (basically) - that'd be the kind of discussion you'd hold in the ready room.
A show of mutual respect and understanding. They have BEEN in each others shoes and know it. Good luck!
Anyone notice the error at 00:47 the lights are on la forge left and in the next scene with him on the right then back to left 😂
Not sure if that's an error. You'll notice, it looks distinctly different, and he is either speaking with Tessa, or Chakotay. Camera angle shifts depending on the person spoken to.
From an engineering stand point couldn’t be a more suitable Captain. The things he pulled on The Enterprise is epic.
Is Geordi sending this message from the conference room? And not...the bridge?
+ThatsMrFrank Yeah, that's a pity. They could've borrowed the bridge set from either Voyager or the Defiant. There's a set they used for a lot of movie or "guest" ships including the Enterprise-A and B, the Excelsior, the Prometheus, and the Equinox.
+ThatsMrFrank I think the real reason for this is because LaForge wanted to conduct private negotiations. You could tell he was sympathetic to the cause. Picard would do the same thing in some cases in his ready room.
He's making an offer best not stated openly in front of his crew, especially if his XO (or anyone else on the bridge at the moment) is a real stickler for the regs.
The Enterprise-D bridge set was demolished. Also they didnt want to psy for extras to play his bridge crew on a new set.
They should have used Bridge Crew
That a pretty cool exchange.
Why does Jorde looks like he’s doing the his ready room & not from the bridge?
set costs!
No the Talk it Out between four eyes
Simple...You would not act like that to an "enemy" in front of your crew who obey your orders. He did that privately to be as candid as possible. Besides...if you are a Captain like LeForge..you do not need permission.
Because the set doesn't exist anymore
The nature of the mission would be highly classified since it involves time travel. Half of his bridge crew probably doesn't have clearance to know about this.
La forge has some swagger as captain , I’d watch that
In modern star trek there would've been a lot of swearing, etc in the conversation between them.
"Sheer fucking hubris" :P
I liked the exchange, you can feel that both characters meant it when they said good luck.
Chakotay could have taken more time, 'discussing' the situation, it would bought him another few minutes.
+Snowwie88 I guess his diplomacy-skills got kinda rusty over time. :v
+Patrick Schulz You've implied he has any diplomacy skills. He does not. He also has no interesting back story, and is just essentially a walking cliché. He is the most bland 'character' of voyager (perhaps even the whole franchise).
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Maybe it's on account of growing up with the German dub and Chakotay's German voice actor putting a lot into the character, but I never considered Chakotay bland, personally. :B
I've not seen the German dub, but the non dub is just, snore. He has no charisma, no personality
, he's got the boring tattoos that are just, urgh. They're meant to imply he's so cultured and mindful, but do you ever hear him crack a joke? Do you ever hear him have an opinion beyond "I think we should respect this culture"?
I don't think Jordy would have drew that out any further once he was told no it was nothing else to talk about once he pulled they sitting Picard maneuver and ask him a second time it was really nothing to talk about good luck