I guess you haven't been around many members that have had to travel long distance on a limited budget to go to the temple. It's understandable if you don't like the temple then of course you wouldn't appreciate it, But there are many people that want to go to the temple and having one closer makes a big difference to them. This would be indisputable for any other business or service that somebody has to travel a long distance to.
@@jandjhirst fortunately for me -- as a Christian, my body is the Temple of The Holy Spirit -- no extensive/expensive travel requirements -- I'm always there. No cult-swiping Masonic rituals, secret handshakes, or any other false religious requirements needed.
@sagesaith6354 no truth needed. Not belonging to any religion or attending a real church. Not following and living God's commandments. A real pretender just like Nemo. Oh except that he's gay.
This is excellent news! Great job!! Thank you all for what you do. @Nemo, your videos with LDS Discussions’ “Mike” and John D. were what finally added enough historical fact to break my shelf. I have since had my records removed. Upon finally leaving the church, I finally felt my lifetime of guilt and shame wash away (you know, like the atonement is supposed to do, but never did for me, for some reason 🤷) and I felt lighter than I ever had in my life. You have my deepest, deepest thanks 🙏.
The Mormon "LDS" Church should think twice about building this building too big cause when they loose their TAX EXEMPT status, the property tax bill is going to be enormous.
Any evidence or inclination that tells you the church will or could lose that status?? Perhaps in countries outside of the US, but I don’t see it happening in the US
Even if the church loses tax exempt status on a federal level, Texas still provides specific exemptions for church buildings. Property taxes are purely at the state and local level. IRS has nothing to do with it. Property taxes are the least possible concern for the church.
I grew up misunderstanding that the authoritarian nature of Mormonism means that its leadership feels justified violating my free agency, meaning my freedom to choose. My First Time Temple Experience: The willful, intentional, unmistakable abuse of my free agency occurred at my Temple endowment at Salt Lake City, 1962, in missionary training in route to the Southern California Mission. The Priesthood leader refused to disclose beforehand the secret Covenants of Obedience, Sacrifice, and Consecration benefiting the Church at my expense which were sprung upon me. Contracts and Covenants: In our law which is just, self-ownership (personal sovereignty ) must exist if one is to be free, hence subject to judgement under the law. Contracts, similar to Covenants, are nullified in law when the person entering the contract is: 1.) Uninformed. 2.) Pressured. 3.) Deceived. Temple Covenants are invalidated for any one or all of those same reasons: 1.) When Secret because the new candidate on entering into the Temple “Covenants” is uninformed. In other words, one must fully understand what are the Temple Covenants that one will make before deciding to go on a Church mission or before deciding to be Temple married for which the Church requires the “Covenants” be taken. They cannot be secret. 2.) When Pressure of any kind exist, then the Covenants are invalid. The Church has an incentive to use pressure because it is a beneficiary of each new Covenant faithfully lived. It gains for itself the promise that one’s time, labor, and life choices shall satisfy whatever it may require of the inductee. While creating and administering the Covenants to new missionaries and to new couples married in the Temple, the Church is creating pressure by claiming that it is the only right and true Church, and that its Temple Covenants must be entered into if one is to gain exaltation in the next life. 3.) When the Church Misrepresents itself to the Temple candidate, the Covenants are invalidated. The Church is a party to the Covenants, it benefits from them, it creates and administers them. It therefore has an obligation to the other party, the Temple candidate, who trusts the Church’s representation to be honest. Unfortunately, the Church is manipulating the Candidate, hiding information about itself, giving false and deceptive and misleading and incomplete information, thereby invalidating the Covenants because consent is uninformed. The trap is constructed by teaching that Celestial exaltation cannot be achieved unless one is Temple “Endowed” and complies with its Covenants. Placing these laws in the Temple is a deliberate attempt to compel, using the Covenants “before God, angels, and these witnesses” that you give “your time” and “everything” to the Church. Rather than persuasion, when Church leaders threaten the Eternal Wellbeing of believing Church members using Temple Covenants or Biblical verse to scare or coerce Church members into Tithe paying Obedience, they are revealing their own personal moral faults they have wrongly adopted on becoming High Priest or Apostles that identify the Church organizational type as Authoritarian. www.fnhenderson.us/FullExitStatement.pdf
You lost me at “threaten” lol. I would agree that covenants are serious, and I too feel like it is a bit rushed, however, what everyone apparently fails to realize is that “as you live faithful TO your covenants, you will receive {insert promise/blessing etc}”. If you live up to it, yes, our doctrine teaches exaltation and that is what is necessary. If you don’t, how is it any different than any evangelical Christian not making the covenants? Save me with the good ol temple “penalties” of back in the day btw. Sorry people hate covenants or commitments to live better lives for themselves and those around them and even then, no one’s perfect lol
@@Ab44778 Hi AB, Here is a reply to your reply when I say, “Temple Covenants, are nullified when the person entering the contract is: 1.) Uninformed. 2.) Pressured. 3.) Deceived” 1. First, quoting you, “You lost me at ‘threaten’ lol.” This might mean you do not realize threats are intentionally made and carried out by the Church in order to compel the Temple Covenant of Obedience to the Law of Tithing. Would it, if it could, establish a threat to compel tithe paying? Yes, the Church “threatens” the employment every day to 1000’s of CES employee whom the Church will fire if an employee fails to pay tithing, thereby losing their ecclesiastical endorsement. I know of a BYU professor to whom this happened. 2. Practically every Covenant ever made in the Temple is invalidated for one or all of the three (3) reasons I explained. People do not need covenants in order to live virtuously and to be blessed for it. Covenants only do their job when they compel obedience which in itself invalidates the virtue lived. Covenanted Obedience illustrates in the extreme case that there is no morality to be found in the obedience of a slave nor any latter-day Saints who’s motive is merely to Obey. Sincerely, Francis 'Nelson' Henderson
@southernboy. THANK YOU for taking the time to set it out as meticulously as it HAS BEEN PLANNED. Like guerilla warfare wadded up in a mobster map and stuffed into popcorn kernels. So sorry for your awful experience. I dodged the temple twice. They tho't they were depriving me; I have seen that Providence was protecting me. (Somehow it never mattered to me, but now that I know what I've learned, I AM SO THANKFUL.)
Great video, all 3 of you! Also, I just read about Jon Cannon, that he is a University of Utah alum with a degree in business finance and that he was a senior VP at the FedEx corporation until his retirement. And, now has a REAL ESTATE BUSINESS! That alone should tell us something about his involvement in this situation. Because, i read that while he is an area 70, his focus was supposed to be primarily between Lubbock Texas (which is west of Fairview) and Albuquerque New Mexico.
Agreed! It is so hidden too. While visiting, I sought it out, and I had to be right by it to finally see it. That the church can’t do the same in other neighborhoods is so frustrating- and dishonest. They don’t need a massive temple.
I work as a graphic designer for a sign shop in Utah County. I make permits to be submitted to cities to get approval on signs we're installing. A 60ft tall building isn't common. In an average building, 60ft would be 5 or 6 stories tall. It's rare we do signage for buildings more than 4 stories tall. Our lift trucks don't even go that high. This temple exceeds the building height of probably 80% of the COMMERCIAL properties my work puts signs on. It's taller than any of the apartment complexes we've put signs on. It's massiveness really can't be understated. This building is gargantuan even without the steeple.
Church enforces standards for repentance and temple worthiness but ignores or contends with community standards in an attempt to build an edifice to their great Standard of Godliness.
As for the needs in the DFW area, the current temple in Dallas sits in a residential area on a two-lane street and when I attended the temple that small street was never busy. The roads and highways are indeed busy as it sits in the middle of a densely developed area overall. The need just is not there for a giant temple in the northern suburbs. I will repeat it over and over, they can build a duplicate of the Dallas temple with shorter steeples and it would meet both city code and church needs. They should name it the Nelson's Folly Temple. It would be a more apt name. Overpaid chocolate tea pot btw?? I do not use cute insults but I lose comments anyway. Truth is not always pretty. So......
I have an Aunt and Uncle who are Temple workers in Rexberg and live in Teton. I can't see how that area is 1:00:34 big enough for 2 Temples. I live in a city of just over 229,000 people, and we have only 1 Temple. (By the way... I am not, and never have been LDS) I also have another Aunt and Uncle in Heber. My Aunt loves the new Temple, as she doesn't have to drive as far to do her genealogy work.
Right after Nelson became the prophet I heard someone from the temple department talk about an exchange he had with Nelson about whichever temple he was designing. He brought several plans to Nelson to get his approval on which would be best for this specific area. He goes on to say that once they were all laid out, Pres Nelson looked up and asked if people could receive their covenants in any of these temples which the man replied they could receive them in all of these temples. Nelson went on to ask about each covenant and if the members could adequately perform each portion to it. This man said that yes, every portion could be received in any one of these temples. President Nelson concluded that it didn't matter which Temple was built in that area because it didn't matter. It just mattered that the covenants and ceremonies could be performed adequately and to just pick whichever one they preferred. The man went on to talk about how shocking this was because it was so different from how Pres Hinckley made the decisions about temples.
The unpaid volunteers are never removed for lying because the general authorities are never removed for their lies that started in 1830 and continues to this very day.
For the Mormons concerned about driving hours, Austin has a new temple about a year and a half from finishing. What does RMN need with Fairfield when he has Austin, Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston Temples?
Why does RMN need to build a temple in Roanoke, Virginia when there aren’t enough members there and there is already a temple outside Richmond which is only about an hour or two away?
Definitely sounds like bullying small towns. In my city, Helsinki (Finland) the LDS church similarly wanted a higher steeple when building the Temple in the 00's. The City Council voted no and that was that. They got a very pretty 42 m/ 139 ft steeple as per the City Councils wishes, it fits the landscape and there was no hoo-ha about it on either side. I actually got a positive impression of the LDS church from that building project (I'm atheist myself). This Fairview situation is just stupid. Makes the LDS church look like a-holes when they could instead be making a good impression, bringing a beautiful building into the community while being good neighbours.
So I have noticed that people from outside of the major cities have major stipluations about driving in bigger cities. It again is probably a cultural thing, but a valid concern.
Back in the 70's when it was under construction, the Tradesmen carried their lunches into the job with them. (No seperate Lunch Trailer). I was told that several of the Craftsmen would pack a can of Beer with their lunch. When finished, the can would be crushed and dropped into the empty Wall space. I wonder if, when the Temple was Dedicated, the can turned into ROOT Beer...?@bewitched3912
Nemo you are the reason for this! God will bless you because you made the Church sort of get back on the straight and correct path. At least for now....
I just drove by a temple in Spokane, Washington. It can hardly be seen behind the big ward house (stake center?) in front of it. It only caught my eye because of the golden angel Moroni sitting on top of it's very, very short steeple.
It is painfully clear to you in your way of looking at it, but that does not necessarily mean that it is painfully clear multitudes of people see it as joyfully clear that Lord is accelerating his work in the last days as he promised, and that these temples are being built to accommodate ever growing numbers of latter-day Saints, who were filling the temples to do the ordinance work for their dead ancestors Which is a huge undertaking and rather than it satisfying some kind of EGO trip for President Nelson. It is a very satisfying, fulfillment of the Lords word preparing the people for his second coming to the Earth, which is not far distant
Just drove through Elko NV, and the temple there draws your eye to the Subway that feels so close it could share the parking lot. Really strange location.
5 plus one equals six, which is part of 666. I'm not joking, The "church" was founded on April 6, with six people present. This is part of their pagan belief system. Watch for such patterns.
On the fact checking point. The Church has 16,000 temple recommend, eligible recommend, holders in the Fairview catchment area? What is the official/unofficial activity rates of Church membership in the catchment area?
Changing a name, taking 15' off a spire is called significant. Closing a Ward, shutting down a Stake is simply policy/revelation. Not significant to the Church, but very significant to the local members. As for drawing one's eyes to heaven, all the spire at Lingfield, the 35 miles from London, London Temple does is draw my eyes to the flight path to Gatwick Airport! Never needed the spire to give me added focus in my belief in God, heaven or my temple attendance. In fact I'd worry about my faith if that had been the case personally.
Ok so let's understand this. 1: the church knows the height, how about a good faith offer to follow the laws. 2: the church sending message men with no authority to make conclusions is classic narcissism from the leadership. And I agree it's an insult. 3: the church is playing a political game, change sentiment, make it about persecution rather than following the law. I wouldn't be surprised if some town ineividuals are getting pressure and if a Romney event would occur in the next few years where they would move people in that are church positive.
Thank you very much. Good memories, and yes, uncanny resemblance. Where's Buffy when you need her and her gang? Some of the best father (me)- daughter time spent. @@countkolob
@nemo you have it wrong, the height of the steeple is not an issue religiously, it's the commandment of follow the prophet, whatever he does or says is assigned as religious right, and that's why it's a religious event. They need to follow the prophet rather than anything else.
So the letters sent by stake presidents to their LDS membership asking them to send letters to our Planning and Zoning department to include language claiming the height of the spire is a part of Mormon “religious observance” isn’t true? Surprise, surprise!
As a kid, I lived about 5 minutes away. From a temple. Also, let's play a quick game of name this city. This city temple was visited by demons and Satan himself. What city was this temple in
-- seems that Jon Cannon is more like a loose cannon -- typical of too many of the mormon leadership. Hey Jon Cannon -- rein it in, why don't you? Stop making your church (as well as yourself) look stupid -- it already has enough challenges with credibility without you confirming them.
It is painfully clear to you in your way of looking at it, but that does not necessarily mean that it is painfully clear multitudes of people see it as joyfully clear that Lord is accelerating his work in the last days as he promised, and that these temples are being built to accommodate ever growing numbers of latter-day Saints, who were filling the temples to do the ordinance work for their dead ancestors Which is a huge undertaking and rather than it satisfying some kind of EGO trip for President Nelson. It is a very satisfying, fulfillment of the Lords word preparing the people for his second coming to the Earth, which is not far distant
It is painfully clear that building a massive number of new temples, satisfies only the ego of RMN, and not the needs of the membership
Yes and ... the staffing demands will actually place a burden on the members in the area.
I guess you haven't been around many members that have had to travel long distance on a limited budget to go to the temple.
It's understandable if you don't like the temple then of course you wouldn't appreciate it, But there are many people that want to go to the temple and having one closer makes a big difference to them. This would be indisputable for any other business or service that somebody has to travel a long distance to.
Leave this to the grownups.
@@jandjhirst fortunately for me -- as a Christian, my body is the Temple of The Holy Spirit -- no extensive/expensive travel requirements -- I'm always there. No cult-swiping Masonic rituals, secret handshakes, or any other false religious requirements needed.
@sagesaith6354 no truth needed. Not belonging to any religion or attending a real church. Not following and living God's commandments. A real pretender just like Nemo. Oh except that he's gay.
This is excellent news! Great job!! Thank you all for what you do.
@Nemo, your videos with LDS Discussions’ “Mike” and John D. were what finally added enough historical fact to break my shelf. I have since had my records removed. Upon finally leaving the church, I finally felt my lifetime of guilt and shame wash away (you know, like the atonement is supposed to do, but never did for me, for some reason 🤷) and I felt lighter than I ever had in my life. You have my deepest, deepest thanks 🙏.
@@MrDJBelcher Quiet phony. You were never a member.
The Mormon "LDS" Church should think twice about building this building too big cause when they loose their TAX EXEMPT status, the property tax bill is going to be enormous.
Any evidence or inclination that tells you the church will or could lose that status?? Perhaps in countries outside of the US, but I don’t see it happening in the US
They don’t care
Soon @@jarrettrasmussen4770
The Church has paid the fine to the SEC but the IRS is not done with them.
Even if the church loses tax exempt status on a federal level, Texas still provides specific exemptions for church buildings. Property taxes are purely at the state and local level. IRS has nothing to do with it. Property taxes are the least possible concern for the church.
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. Or not.
Thank you for all your hard work, and for sharing this information!!
The town wants 105 feet off the height. They offered 15 feet.
Try that in tithing settlement. 🙃
I grew up misunderstanding that the authoritarian nature of Mormonism means that its leadership feels justified violating my free agency, meaning my freedom to choose.
My First Time Temple Experience:
The willful, intentional, unmistakable abuse of my free agency occurred at my Temple endowment at Salt Lake City, 1962, in missionary training in route to the Southern California Mission. The Priesthood leader refused to disclose beforehand the secret Covenants of Obedience, Sacrifice, and Consecration benefiting the Church at my expense which were sprung upon me.
Contracts and Covenants:
In our law which is just, self-ownership (personal sovereignty ) must exist if one is to be free, hence subject to judgement under the law. Contracts, similar to Covenants, are nullified in law when the person entering the contract is: 1.) Uninformed. 2.) Pressured. 3.) Deceived. Temple Covenants are invalidated for any one or all of those same reasons:
1.) When Secret because the new candidate on entering into the Temple “Covenants” is uninformed. In other words, one must fully understand what are the Temple Covenants that one will make before deciding to go on a Church mission or before deciding to be Temple married for which the Church requires the “Covenants” be taken. They cannot be secret.
2.) When Pressure of any kind exist, then the Covenants are invalid. The Church has an incentive to use pressure because it is a beneficiary of each new Covenant faithfully lived. It gains for itself the promise that one’s time, labor, and life choices shall satisfy whatever it may require of the inductee.
While creating and administering the Covenants to new missionaries and to new couples married in the Temple, the Church is creating pressure by claiming that it is the only right and true Church, and that its Temple Covenants must be entered into if one is to gain exaltation in the next life.
3.) When the Church Misrepresents itself to the Temple candidate, the Covenants are invalidated. The Church is a party to the Covenants, it benefits from them, it creates and administers them. It therefore has an obligation to the other party, the Temple candidate, who trusts the Church’s representation to be honest. Unfortunately, the Church is manipulating the Candidate, hiding information about itself, giving false and deceptive and misleading and incomplete information, thereby invalidating the Covenants because consent is uninformed.
The trap is constructed by teaching that Celestial exaltation cannot be achieved unless one is Temple “Endowed” and complies with its Covenants. Placing these laws in the Temple is a deliberate attempt to compel, using the Covenants “before God, angels, and these witnesses” that you give “your time” and “everything” to the Church.
Rather than persuasion, when Church leaders threaten the Eternal Wellbeing of believing Church members using Temple Covenants or Biblical verse to scare or coerce Church members into Tithe paying Obedience, they are revealing their own personal moral faults they have wrongly adopted on becoming High Priest or Apostles that identify the Church organizational type as Authoritarian.
www.fnhenderson.us/FullExitStatement.pdf
Liar.
@@southernboy3440 you're just a person pretending and spreading lies. Very cowardly.
You lost me at “threaten” lol. I would agree that covenants are serious, and I too feel like it is a bit rushed, however, what everyone apparently fails to realize is that “as you live faithful TO your covenants, you will receive {insert promise/blessing etc}”. If you live up to it, yes, our doctrine teaches exaltation and that is what is necessary. If you don’t, how is it any different than any evangelical Christian not making the covenants? Save me with the good ol temple “penalties” of back in the day btw.
Sorry people hate covenants or commitments to live better lives for themselves and those around them and even then, no one’s perfect lol
@@Ab44778 Hi AB,
Here is a reply to your reply when I say, “Temple Covenants, are nullified when the person entering the contract is: 1.) Uninformed. 2.) Pressured. 3.) Deceived”
1. First, quoting you, “You lost me at ‘threaten’ lol.” This might mean you do not realize threats are intentionally made and carried out by the Church in order to compel the Temple Covenant of Obedience to the Law of Tithing. Would it, if it could, establish a threat to compel tithe paying?
Yes, the Church “threatens” the employment every day to 1000’s of CES employee whom the Church will fire if an employee fails to pay tithing, thereby losing their ecclesiastical endorsement. I know of a BYU professor to whom this happened.
2. Practically every Covenant ever made in the Temple is invalidated for one or all of the three (3) reasons I explained. People do not need covenants in order to live virtuously and to be blessed for it.
Covenants only do their job when they compel obedience which in itself invalidates the virtue lived. Covenanted Obedience illustrates in the extreme case that there is no morality to be found in the obedience of a slave nor any latter-day Saints who’s motive is merely to Obey.
Sincerely,
Francis 'Nelson' Henderson
@southernboy. THANK YOU
for taking the time to set it out
as meticulously as it HAS BEEN PLANNED.
Like guerilla warfare wadded up in a mobster map and stuffed into popcorn kernels.
So sorry for your awful experience. I dodged the temple twice. They tho't they were depriving me; I have seen that Providence was protecting me. (Somehow it never mattered to me, but now that I know what I've learned, I AM SO THANKFUL.)
Great video, all 3 of you! Also, I just read about Jon Cannon, that he is a University of Utah alum with a degree in business finance and that he was a senior VP at the FedEx corporation until his retirement. And, now has a REAL ESTATE BUSINESS! That alone should tell us something about his involvement in this situation. Because, i read that while he is an area 70, his focus was supposed to be primarily between Lubbock Texas (which is west of Fairview) and Albuquerque New Mexico.
Helena Montana’s new temple is made of stuccoed container boxes! It has a Small steeple that blends with the neighborhood
Agreed! It is so hidden too. While visiting, I sought it out, and I had to be right by it to finally see it. That the church can’t do the same in other neighborhoods is so frustrating- and dishonest. They don’t need a massive temple.
I work as a graphic designer for a sign shop in Utah County. I make permits to be submitted to cities to get approval on signs we're installing. A 60ft tall building isn't common. In an average building, 60ft would be 5 or 6 stories tall. It's rare we do signage for buildings more than 4 stories tall. Our lift trucks don't even go that high. This temple exceeds the building height of probably 80% of the COMMERCIAL properties my work puts signs on. It's taller than any of the apartment complexes we've put signs on. It's massiveness really can't be understated. This building is gargantuan even without the steeple.
crazy......
Love you, Nemo!!!
Ah, driving to Dallas being used for "Won't someone think of the children! 😭"
Church enforces standards for repentance and temple worthiness but ignores or contends with community standards in an attempt to build an edifice to their great Standard of Godliness.
As for the needs in the DFW area, the current temple in Dallas sits in a residential area on a two-lane street and when I attended the temple that small street was never busy. The roads and highways are indeed busy as it sits in the middle of a densely developed area overall. The need just is not there for a giant temple in the northern suburbs. I will repeat it over and over, they can build a duplicate of the Dallas temple with shorter steeples and it would meet both city code and church needs. They should name it the Nelson's Folly Temple. It would be a more apt name. Overpaid chocolate tea pot btw?? I do not use cute insults but I lose comments anyway. Truth is not always pretty. So......
Nelson’s Folly is an excellent name
The letter says the website contains accurate info but then the website is not official. Let's play disclaimer games. LOL
Same tactics happening in bakersfield california right now
In the 80’s they stuff us teens into vans and drove us 8 hours to the Atlanta GA temple from western Kentucky.
I guess it's true what the church teaches... "you can buy anything in this world with money"
I have an Aunt and Uncle who are Temple workers in Rexberg and live in Teton. I can't see how that area is 1:00:34 big enough for 2 Temples. I live in a city of just over 229,000 people, and we have only 1 Temple. (By the way... I am not, and never have been LDS) I also have another Aunt and Uncle in Heber. My Aunt loves the new Temple, as she doesn't have to drive as far to do her genealogy work.
Right after Nelson became the prophet I heard someone from the temple department talk about an exchange he had with Nelson about whichever temple he was designing. He brought several plans to Nelson to get his approval on which would be best for this specific area. He goes on to say that once they were all laid out, Pres Nelson looked up and asked if people could receive their covenants in any of these temples which the man replied they could receive them in all of these temples. Nelson went on to ask about each covenant and if the members could adequately perform each portion to it. This man said that yes, every portion could be received in any one of these temples. President Nelson concluded that it didn't matter which Temple was built in that area because it didn't matter. It just mattered that the covenants and ceremonies could be performed adequately and to just pick whichever one they preferred. The man went on to talk about how shocking this was because it was so different from how Pres Hinckley made the decisions about temples.
How clueless you are. Every temple is equal. Dishonest comments are as good as lying. You have a habit of that, or not?
The unpaid volunteers are never removed for lying because the general authorities are never removed for their lies that started in 1830 and continues to this very day.
Correct. Of course, those people aren't removed for lying. Lying for the Lord is the single most enduring principle of Mormonism.
@@Fatfinger4378 quiet puppet.
@@Fatfinger4378 lying is what Nemo and you have in common. If you're gay that's another.
For the Mormons concerned about driving hours, Austin has a new temple about a year and a half from finishing.
What does RMN need with Fairfield when he has Austin, Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston Temples?
Why does RMN need to build a temple in Roanoke, Virginia when there aren’t enough members there and there is already a temple outside Richmond which is only about an hour or two away?
Good job nemo and Rebecca and landon!
Cheers Richard!
I hope Nemo has tried reaching out to Jon Cannon. It’d be nice if he got a response
Should I invite him onto the show?
Appreciate your hard work on topic.
It's my pleasure!
Gotta love the picture that Nemo chose for the title thumbnail. Rusty the Crypt Keeper showing off his rotten teeth.
😅 ikr?!!
Definitely sounds like bullying small towns. In my city, Helsinki (Finland) the LDS church similarly wanted a higher steeple when building the Temple in the 00's. The City Council voted no and that was that. They got a very pretty 42 m/ 139 ft steeple as per the City Councils wishes, it fits the landscape and there was no hoo-ha about it on either side. I actually got a positive impression of the LDS church from that building project (I'm atheist myself). This Fairview situation is just stupid. Makes the LDS church look like a-holes when they could instead be making a good impression, bringing a beautiful building into the community while being good neighbours.
Different leadership. One was done under Hinckley leadership one was under Nelson.
So I have noticed that people from outside of the major cities have major stipluations about driving in bigger cities. It again is probably a cultural thing, but a valid concern.
I have on Good Authority (a person who was on the construction project) that there are Beer Cans in the walls of the Provo Temple...😮
😅 really?!! Interesting!!
Back in the 70's when it was under construction, the Tradesmen carried their lunches into the job with them. (No seperate Lunch Trailer).
I was told that several of the Craftsmen would pack a can of Beer with their lunch. When finished, the can would be crushed and dropped into the empty Wall space. I wonder if, when the Temple was Dedicated, the can turned into ROOT Beer...?@bewitched3912
@@mr.hermit2433😅😅😅
@@mr.hermit2433 LOL, I'm dying!!
Nemo you are the reason for this! God will bless you because you made the Church sort of get back on the straight and correct path. At least for now....
I am definitely using Chocolate Teapot from now on
You’re welcome to it :)
I just drove by a temple in Spokane, Washington. It can hardly be seen behind the big ward house (stake center?) in front of it. It only caught my eye because of the golden angel Moroni sitting on top of it's very, very short steeple.
It is painfully clear to you in your way of looking at it, but that does not necessarily mean that it is painfully clear multitudes of people see it as joyfully clear that Lord is accelerating his work in the last days as he promised, and that these temples are being built to accommodate ever growing numbers of latter-day Saints, who were filling the temples to do the ordinance work for their dead ancestors Which is a huge undertaking and rather than it satisfying some kind of EGO trip for President Nelson. It is a very satisfying, fulfillment of the Lords word preparing the people for his second coming to the Earth, which is not far distant
Just drove through Elko NV, and the temple there draws your eye to the Subway that feels so close it could share the parking lot. Really strange location.
The almost 15 feet reminds me of thar one of Joseph Smith jr. wife was almost 15 years old. I guess the church thinks this is a big number
👀👀👀
5 plus one equals six, which is part of 666. I'm not joking, The "church" was founded on April 6, with six people present. This is part of their pagan belief system. Watch for such patterns.
No one has authority from God. They have not seen Him face to face!
Not even Brigham Young
I dare say ESPECIALLY not Brigham Young
@@yeshalloween😅 ESPECIALLY Brigham Epstein Young 😂😂😂
On the fact checking point. The Church has 16,000 temple recommend, eligible recommend, holders in the Fairview catchment area? What is the official/unofficial activity rates of Church membership in the catchment area?
Changing a name, taking 15' off a spire is called significant. Closing a Ward, shutting down a Stake is simply policy/revelation. Not significant to the Church, but very significant to the local members. As for drawing one's eyes to heaven, all the spire at Lingfield, the 35 miles from London, London Temple does is draw my eyes to the flight path to Gatwick Airport! Never needed the spire to give me added focus in my belief in God, heaven or my temple attendance. In fact I'd worry about my faith if that had been the case personally.
Ok so let's understand this.
1: the church knows the height, how about a good faith offer to follow the laws.
2: the church sending message men with no authority to make conclusions is classic narcissism from the leadership. And I agree it's an insult.
3: the church is playing a political game, change sentiment, make it about persecution rather than following the law. I wouldn't be surprised if some town ineividuals are getting pressure and if a Romney event would occur in the next few years where they would move people in that are church positive.
Nemo, the trick is to keep it from getting in front of a judge. The red tape exists without a ruling. Judges give rulings.
That is awesome lds build lots of Temples around the world..shows the tithing the members pay is going where it should
They should not be tax exempt!
Council members are generally paid. Planning board members are not.
Nemo's thumbnail of Nelson reminds me of one those old guys in an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Sorry can't remember the exact episode.
The Gentlemen!
Thank you very much. Good memories, and yes, uncanny resemblance. Where's Buffy when you need her and her gang? Some of the best father (me)- daughter time spent. @@countkolob
The visual relationship of RMN and Mr. Burns is uncanny! 🤡
LDS. LUCIFERIAN DAY SAINTS..
100% Correct. I've been researching this since 2011.
Water towers aren't lit or loud or bring lots of traffic.
@nemo you have it wrong, the height of the steeple is not an issue religiously, it's the commandment of follow the prophet, whatever he does or says is assigned as religious right, and that's why it's a religious event. They need to follow the prophet rather than anything else.
So the letters sent by stake presidents to their LDS membership asking them to send letters to our Planning and Zoning department to include language claiming the height of the spire is a part of Mormon “religious observance” isn’t true? Surprise, surprise!
Strict obedience comes from the Jesuits who created Freemasonry, which is the temple ceremony.
They just cant stop themselves from lying.
As a kid, I lived about 5 minutes away. From a temple.
Also, let's play a quick game of name this city. This city temple was visited by demons and Satan himself. What city was this temple in
Kirtland?
@carolyearsley no, but timeframe close.
@@cartercordingley6062 Nauvoo?
@@carolyearsley it was the fourth temple built, the 2 in Utah
@@cartercordingley6062 So what did you think about that story, as a kid?
In the beginning, the church made enemies.Will they ever learn?
They who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
You're a chocolate teapot. LOL
A bunch of steeplejacks. lol
-- seems that Jon Cannon is more like a loose cannon -- typical of too many of the mormon leadership.
Hey Jon Cannon -- rein it in, why don't you? Stop making your church (as well as yourself) look stupid -- it already has enough challenges with credibility without you confirming them.
You only one here looking stupid listening to a fake member is yourself. You don't even believe in God. Such hypocrisy.
be careful about what makes you laugh, you are professional LDS stalkers., not necessarily something to be proud of in my opinion.
And who exactly are you stalking?…
Is it bad to hold people accountable?
Fact checking and expressing opinions contrasting with an organization is not stalking. Go in peace. Watch a different channel.
@@michaelgrey7854 What is basis of your right to try to hold them accountable?
It is painfully clear to you in your way of looking at it, but that does not necessarily mean that it is painfully clear multitudes of people see it as joyfully clear that Lord is accelerating his work in the last days as he promised, and that these temples are being built to accommodate ever growing numbers of latter-day Saints, who were filling the temples to do the ordinance work for their dead ancestors Which is a huge undertaking and rather than it satisfying some kind of EGO trip for President Nelson. It is a very satisfying, fulfillment of the Lords word preparing the people for his second coming to the Earth, which is not far distant