The Mormon Church is going to war with Texas
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is looking set to sue the small Texas town of Fairview if they reject the proposed Temple and its 173ft Steeple. I'm joined by Rebecca and Landon from @mormonishpodcast1036 to discuss why the church feels they have a right to sue, and what else they could do instead.
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You are incorrect. The Paris temple doesn’t serve all of France…. Three large stakes, Lyon, Nancy, and Nice are all in the Switzerland Temple district.
Thanks for sharing this, can you provide a source so I can share this moving forward?
I would like to know whose ego is wrapped up in this building. Which architect or general leader has their ego so attached to this building that they are so blind that they believe they are above the law.
RMN
@@hollyjohnson2894 The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints has followed all laws and regulations regarding the building of this building.
It is the city that is acting unlawfully.
@@hollyjohnson2894 the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints has follow all laws and regulations regarding the building of this building.
@@firstLast-gb9kr since they are not building it right now, yes they are following laws. So that's true right now!
@@firstLast-gb9kr I said nothing about them not following the laws so it's is a shadow argument. I said they think they are above the law and using false arguments in hopes to manipulate it and get what they want. The real argument is why is the church so invested in lying about the importance of the steeple? There is no doctrine nor has there ever been doctrine that supports their current claims of its importance to the covenants made in the temple. As a currently serving temple worker and coordinator and an active member my whole life it disgusts me that the church is playing this game about its height and steeple. The doctrine we do have is that we follow the laws of the land and respect the local government. Pushing a false narrative that the temple has to be a certain height in order for it to be functional is a lie and disrespectful to the local community and to our members. So again, whose ego so is wrapped up in this false and deceitful narrative that they think they are above the law by demanding the local government bow down to the church or face lawyers. It's disgusting and I am ashamed of my church. The church is following the wrong golden rule. Instead of "love the neighbor" they are using "whoever has the gold makes the rule".
I've lost patience with the deceit and arrogance of this corporation.....
@@samhunt9380 the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints has followed all the laws and regulations required for the building of this building.
I just struggle to figure this out. The town council is not saying you can’t build this building. It’s only saying if you build it obey local laws. No religious persecution is being done. If anything this is a religion pushing its way!
Well u seem 2 have gotten the point.....
The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints has abided by all local regulation to build this building.
This building will not be the tallest structure in this town.
If the city prevents this building from being completed it will violate it own laws on the books.
@@angusmar44 the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints has followed all laws and regulations regarding the building of this building.
@@firstLast-gb9krYou are repeatedly making some rendition of the same statement, but that doesn’t make it true.
@@AvadenSV it not wrong.
Thank you for all your coverage on this Nemo!! I've been in email contact with the local stake president and despite my continuing efforts, I feel I'm making no headway whatsoever. Thank you so, so, so much for using your platform to draw attention to this.
My pleasure!
Amen
I remember when the Frankfurt, Germany, LDS temple was built in the mid-1980s, the architect had to lower the steeple because the Friedrichsdorf Municipality requested that it not be higher than the local Huguenot Church. Additionally, the Church had to promise not to proselyte door-to-door in the vicinity. The Church Offices in Frankfurt back then complied with the request. This is the reason why the steeple in the Frankfurt Temple is not on top of the roof, but it is a standalone steeple on the side and - in my opinion - looks actually very nice :)! Today, the Friedrichsdorf community regards the LDS temple as "their" temple.
Things change a lot overtime, just like the did in the Book of Mormon over time.
Move the LDS Temple to Allen, Tx. Right next door on Stacy go about 1 and 1/2 miles south on Watters Rd. and place close to the Hindu Temple located there. It also is a huge 2 story building with 6 large towers. Then all the gods can be represented democratically.
epic comment!
There is alot more that goes into where a temple goes than just moving it. They do pray about it and then Act on it.
@@trishachristensen7667as someone that worked in the temple department and now works for a company that builds temples I can tell you that’s not the case they go where ever they want and change plans with no input with deity. God doesn’t care where buildings go.
@@trishachristensen7667 it wouldn’t fit there anyway. All the property has been bought and built out. We pass the Hindu Temple almost every other day driving to our errands. Maybe they could buy out the Hindu Temple and rededicate it.
Jehovah, Michael, Vishnu, Ganesha, let us go down.
This might finally be the thing that makes me officially resign from the church. It's just so embarrassing and enraging to see the church blatantly acting like a mafia about buildings it's expressly said DON'T need to appear a certain way to serve their function. Fairview, I'm rooting for you. Don't let this corporation win. Make it follow its own articles of faith!
The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints has follow all laws and regulations regarding the building of this building.
This reminds me of the situation with the Boston Temple.
Show us which laws they are breaking to build this temple. They are going through the building process. I'm not embarrassed. Good for them to know the building laws and regulations and use them to the full extent.
The church frowns on their members being litigious and here they are involving lawyers. Hypocrisy.
Church frowns on members thinkin critically. g critica
And don't call outside authorities on CSA cases..
They don't frown on being litigious. I have been in nearly 30 law suites in the past 8 years I'm still fine
The corporate church LOVES to offer tedious Master Classes in Gas Lighting…because ‘Jesus’ must have his steeples a certain height, with numerous exceptions!
@@stacy6994 they do frown on it. I was a lifelong member, 55 years.
The church that used to care so much about its public image and its' affect on neighbors is gone; in its place is a concern only for the leader's image and desires... there's another word for that...
Greed and obfuscation
Ok 2 words😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
They have to launder their illicit funds somehow to justify maintaining their tax free status. Forget about actually helping people, just have the members perform silly and nonsensical freemasonic ceremonies instead. Exactly what Jesus would do.
Am so agreed.
@@jamiey1200 What would a fake Christian like yourself know what Jesus would do?
@@marquitaarmstrong399 quiet clueless.
@@jamiey1200 quiet fruitcake.
Yep Mormon elites own all the companies building it and supplying materials ect. Lots of money to be made on no bid buildings
Next stop: The Proclamation regarding Steeples
So which family member of a church leader is the architect or contractor who won't get paid the big bucks* if the design gets changed?? There is always an ulterior motive.
That’s what I think. In the end it’s probably about money.
Hmm...food 4 thought
Great show! Thanks for all you do
Thanks for watching!
The prophet with the most new temples when he dies wins.
Ouch
Stand strong Fairview! Don't let the LDS bullies win. Hold your ground!
We really love all three of you. Thanks for all you do.
I don't see how this church will even exist in a meaningful way in 30 years from now.
They will be super wealthy
@@shawnbradford2243 It will be a massive pile of money, a website, and an AI chatbot, but no butts in pews.
They will exist above and below ground
They’ve got cash money but I genuinely struggle to understand how they are able to maintain the control they do over membership and scare them away from information.
They use people's innate desire for family togetherness as a means of control, making veiled threats of eternal family dissolution to weaponize our natural fear of abandonment.
Looking back at this and my association with the group, I’m most disappointed by the fact that it’s all just a LIE 😢😢🤢
I was a 5 time Young Woman President and very devoted convert for decades. When I discovered that my leadership had knowingly lied to me about EVERYTHING I was completely devastated 💔
It is not yours anymore....let
Let it go❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
The citizens have a right not to have hate filled cults building monuments in their communities.
Agreed
@Charles-y. .... IN THE
NAME. OF.
JESUS.
@@Charles-yf7kc the city operates by laws, not emotion. The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints has follow all laws and regulations regarding the building of this building.
So are you saying the LDS church is a hate filled cult?
You're implying that The Church is a hate filled cult. It's not. It's a love filled Imperfect church.
In my ward in Utah where they have two new temples in Layton and Syracuse they are calling senior members on temple missions because they don’t have enough members to staff the temples. Empty sessions or very few people going to the temple
Hmm think about it
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I live in Provo and the Orem, 2 provos, and Timp are packed. Logan is packed, Brigham City is packed. Layton and Syracuse well .. are kinda more sketchy places imo kinda an overflow of Ogden now. That maybe the reason for few attendees.
Depends on the time and day you go. Most temples have slow times and busy times. How about try going other times.
I believe many are aging and can’t go. My dad hasn’t gone in years due to poor health.
The stars at night, are big and bright….outside the town of Fairview!
Thank you Nemo for what, and how you share your opinions.
Fabulous job as always Nemo and team!
Thank you kindly!
At this point, is it the church saving face? Like if they "lose" their legal game, that it'll seem that God's will was overrided by a town? Or that the leaders aren't actually correctly understanding/communicating God's will?
The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints is following the law to worship how and where they please. They desire to worship according to the dictates of their own beliefs. The law allows for religious exemption to their building code, and this building will not be the tallest structure in town.
@@firstLast-gb9kr it would dwarf every other religious building in town. It could be made much shorter and still be the tallest religious building in town.
No temple worship requires any specific size, height, steeple, building color, etc.
@@kyleepratt it will not be the tallest structure in town. I suppose it could be shorter. I suppose it could taller. But this on not about your or my capricious beliefs. This is an issue of law and religious freedom.
What law prevents them from building it?
@@kyleepratt this will not be the tallest structure in town, and it doesn't matter what you or I think, this is an issue of law and religious freedom. Does the law allows it?
@@firstLast-gb9kr the law currently does not allow it, that's the problem. That's why the church is pushing for an exemption from the current law, and the town has said no so far. That's the law.
And you purposefully ignored my comment about **Religious** buildings specifically. Seems like you see that hurts your point, do you dodged talking about it.
Nemo, I thought we had several talks in General Conference about avoiding contention. Right?
You call it contention to build a building and use the city rules, regulations, and processes to do so? So sensitive.
Article of Faith Twelve: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
There u go..
The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints is following all laws and required permiting process to build this building.
The law allows for this building to be built.
@@firstLast-gb9krthey’re throwing a fit that the process isn’t going their way. What are you talking about? Lol
@@rachelmure how so?
@@firstLast-gb9kr are you completely in the dark about what’s been going on?
I don't know if I've said this already but I love your intro.
Excellent episode. Thank you for your work!
I don't know if the church can take this one. The baptists have already had enough with the Mormons. The Mormons might just learn that other denominations and communities will not tolerate the bull crap.
Signs of the times the LDS is only true church the other religions will learn soon enough during the millienium or be cast out
If they can't tolerate other religions they are not very Christ like themselves. There are many good things we can learn from each other. The first is accepting each other
Get back in the shed
So much for freedom of religion
@@stacy6994 of course there is freedom of religion. But if you're not religious why are you worrying about it and if you are religious you should be appreciative that we have freedom of religion
Why do they refuse to love their neighbours, as Christ commands?!
Because the lds violates the bible at every opportunity.
@@johncunningham739wow, no, we all need to get along.
If it were another religion this would not be a problem. Take notice of this. I would not care if another religion wanted to build a beautiful building in the area. We need to be kind to each other
Kind like the 2015 exclusion policy?
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I mean Christ also preached extensively about not storing up treasures on earth and selling all one’s possessions… and this is a multi-billion dollar corporation we’re talking about here…
I think they’ve demonstrated they’re not really terribly interested in following Christ - or at least will be very selective about what they do! Lol
@@rachelmure I know you are completely out of sink with that. We have never been a corporation. I have never made money off of this church. Our prophet was a heart surgeon. He performed the very first one ever. I absolutely love Christ and I would never discredit another's religion especially if I don't agree with it. There are so many wonderful churches out there. Putting anothers religion down is pretty petty. The church only gets money from people that are TRYING to actively live the doctorine and principles taught by Christ. We understand the importance of things unlike those who are accusatory. It gets old.
Thanks!
My pleasure, thank you!
Nemo if I ever start my dreams of starting a political youtube channel I'mma do live reactions to your channel. Such a huge fan of you. I'm a Mexican LDS member from California U.S.A
Maybe a redesign of the steeple? The spiral (Since no more Moroni) could go upward (to approved height) and then take a U turn and point downward to....?
Now I really hope the church gives in and accepts the codes just so I can see Nemo applauding for five minutes straight, lol.
Seriously, though, the church leaders' behavior in this situation has really been disgusting.
I think I need proof of their actions. It seems like it goes both ways.
The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints has followed all law and regulations regarding the building of this building.
It is the city that is acting unlawfully.
Hello. One of the things I hope is Temple Preparation Classes have become more transparent.
Apparently god isn’t very good at being an architect. Which is weird because god created the earth right? So how can Mormon god not have a temple divinely inspired that just fits right into the town and is free of all this debate? Oh I know, because the church isn’t actually led by god and is completely making it up as they go along. Bunch of sophists just larping as conduits of the almighty.
It is a whole lot easier to look towards God, when you see Gods influence in the people that truly follow him, than the exterior appearance of any building. I have found during my 55 years on this earth.
Thx 🎉
Great episode
Thank you nemo, Rebecca and landon!
@richardjones1699 Yes, they make a great team! Hope they continue to collaborate in the future. Awesome synergy :)!
After midnight in Europe, worth keeping my ears open (eyes closed)
@Dutchess0909 try the mouth. Clearly, nothing of value comes out of it.
My son is in middle school. This is “”so middle school. The bully is being bullied! Oh boo hoo.
I sure don't see how this controversy relates in any way to the way and manner Jesus taught. Jesus ranted against bullish authorities.
Dear Brethren, we are here to make friends, not Enemies!! Are you men that PROUD that you can't lower your pride/STEEPLE?
Marilyn Manson song- "The beautiful people, the beautiful people
It's all relative to the size of your steeple
You can't see the forest for the trees
You can't smell your own s$@ on your knees"
I feel like you are a part of the problem. We are here to be friends and your comments do seem friendly to me either.
Is this city so proud they can't allow a beautiful building to stand!
@@trishachristensen7667 Do you realize We as the LDS church already won! We get the SPOT and the temple we should be so greatful! The city just wants us to obey local laws and guidelines just like the PROPHET and leaders tell us to keep LDS rules covenants and commandments. Thats something you can undrstand! You need to know we look bad in the world. We have the "right hand" with missionaries trying to bring people to Christ and the church and then we have "the LEFT hand" the leaders fighting over a temple steeple size pissing off all the local community and people. We need to be on the same page! The Left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing! Gordon B Hinkley would have never done this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@trishachristensen7667 Think of Its all Missionary work! what message do you want to send to the gentiles or people outside the church? whats more important the inside of the temple or the outside? That's why Jesus Overthrew the tables in the temple. I think he would do it again if he came in secret!
@@99blackbirds He has shown himself to many in the church, but not to the world (Babylon). They couldn't bear his presence and glory. And it matters what goes on in the temples...ETERNALLY. But worldly people (like you) won't use prayer to ask and to seek to know truth. But you have to read the Book of Mormon and go through the spiritual work to get an answer! The Church will win. Eventually. When Jesus Comes (soon) the wicked will be burned and the majority of voices against this temple will be gone.
@@marilynwatene1480 But don't you see that the church/we already won! We got the spot and the temple we are just fighting over the hight of the steeple. We should be so greatful! The city and community is only asking to respect and obey their local rules and guidelines. Doesn't our prophet ask us to be kind respectful and obey the local laws and rules. As a Mormon you should understand rules laws and the importance of obeying RULES/covenants!!! Please explain to me why we need a "steeple"? Why do we get to break rules or get exceptions? Are we more important than others?
Commenting for the algorithm...
Replying for the same reason. How do you take your coffee?
I love iced coffee. I live in a hot part of the country.
When not hot, I drink it with a bit of half and half and a small amount of pure sugar
The temple building bullying reminds me of this poem,
"I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
No thing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
- Percy Shelley, "Ozymandias", 1819 edition"
Kind regards, Graham
Civilizations fall when they forget God and forget to keep his commandments. Happens every time throughout history.
@@marilynwatene1480 Also taking Gods name in vein to get a building project done for what technically is a private club.
Great discussions folks. Minor clarification: Even within the small town of Fairview, less than 2 miles away, there are sites where the Church could be built as requested (incl. roof/spire height); closer to the majority of the purported congregation. Only the residential site comes with the height restrictions.
The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints has follow all laws and permiting process for this building to be built where it has been purposed as it has been purposed. There are no laws against it.
The city is acting unlawfully.
I had to take my daughter to a doctor's appointment in San Antonio... and cresting a hill I saw the spire of the San Antonio temple...and I have to say...it was very inSPIRE-ing; even though it made me think of how I had my temple recommend taken away 5 years ago which was not so inSPIRE-ing, by an uninSPIRE-d narcissist from the Wasatch Range. I loathe Wasatch Range Mormies.
We still love you and so does our Lord. He needs you.
Hmmm. Strange indeed that the church would want to utilize tools available to every other member of the public in an attempt to persuade their local government to allow them to construct a religious building, something which most certainly already exists in city at issue. I was amused at the headshaking of this woman when the host mentioned thousands of members gathering outside council chamber to show support for the request for approval. As if the support requested was some sort of other-worldly bizarre thing. Talk about living in a bubble.
Nice monologue at the end from Nemo!!!!! 💙💙💙💙💙
Keep up the good work, brother.
Been your fan since BBC Holland interview years ago. Hi Britvengers😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤😂
I'm on the Mormons' side on this one, as I am opposed to most zoning and land-use regulations on principle. That said, I totally get people not wanting this on their street!
Ur opinion is diadetic.😮😮😮😮😮😅😅
For several years I have questioned why the church is building so many temples. My brother in SLC who is a lifelong faithful Mo, said it’s because of the arithmetic involved concerning the number of dead folks who need to be baptized into the church. Problem: most of the proxy work being done currently are family names.
Look into what was proposed vs what actually was built in Tooele county Utah. The original location in Erda Utah did not reflect that community at all, the leaders and Temple with a surrounding dense housing community changed the temple name to the desseret peak temple and didn’t include a housing development. The released statement said the church won’t oil’s a temple where the feeling of incompatibility in the community will not be built. It was not built.
Great to the 3 experts on temples after all of this!
I think the reason the LDS church chose Fairview in the first place is because they mistakenly thought that 20 years ago the city council had approved a bell tower for the Methodist church which exceeded the height restrictions for the area. That was not the case. The Methodist church was given approval with conditions and when built the bell tower fell within the zoning requirements. Had the city council actually given the Methodist church approval without conditions the LDS church could then cry religious discrimination. Sorry, no discrimination here.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
This is so unbelievable.
Threatening a lawsuit is certainly going to fister some good will now won’t it.🙄🤦🏻♂️ Good lord!
Only to those who care which is very small in the grand scheme of things.
The Austin, Tx temple is proposed at 30,000 sq ft and only one story! I fail to understand why complying with a building code should be litigious! Why not comply? 😕
Well, the Church is a patriarchy. So it makes sense that this is something of a measuring contest--in their estimation, anyway. You'd think the leaders would look back on Church history and see the pattern of arrogant behavior, bullying local citizens, then crying about religious persecution when those citizens fight back.
I don't know, the Extermination order signed by Governor Boggs made it legal to murder members of the church in Missouri, property stolen from the church that they paid for, r**e, assault, tar and feather (I am fairly certain other members were murdered in cold blood, other than Joseph), forcing people, especially women and children out of their homes in the middle of winter and in the dead of night where they had to walk until their feet bled, (and so forth) seems to scream persecution.
But sure, yeah. The church is the bully here... oh, wait.
@@naofumi5616
Someone seems to have forgotten about Mountain Meadows.
Who is crying about religious persecution?
I'm going to have to watch this one in a lurk while sleeping. It is so exhausting to see the manipulation and persecution complex.
The Dallas Temple is impossible to get to. I live in East Tx. When I go to the temple, although East Tx is only 2.5 hours away, fighting Dallas traffic makes it necessary to leave my home no later than 5:00 am in order to only take in one endowment session and get home before 8:00 to 9:00 pm. (Sometimes it’s 10:00 or 11:00 pm depending on traffic and road conditions) Not only does it take all day, but there is no time to eat (the Dallas temple does not have a cafeteria and leaving the temple to eat would add hours to the event) which is a problem for my diabetic husband, and because we live in the outback of Tx, animals feeding and crossing the roads become not only dangerous, but potentially deadly going and coming.
I think people who know nothing about the trials of living in Tx, shouldn’t engage in speculation about our needs. I would certainly prefer a temple in East Tx than North Tx, but being able to circumvent Dallas traffic (and crazy construction interference) by heading West at Greenville across US Hwy 380 to McKinney would certainly make temple attendance more convenient and a whole lot safer.
Having grown up in Salt Lake, living there as an adult, and now visiting my children and grandchildren there, I can tell you with a sure knowledge, Utah temple attendance is a cake walk compared to temple attendance in Tx. Because of the terrain, distance, and wildlife and escaped farm animals on the roads….another temple in our region of Tx is a necessity. Have you ever seen what hitting a Tx longhorn does to a vehicle and its occupants? As a mortician, I can tell you….it isn’t pretty.
I appreciate the church being concerned about the well being and lives of those of us who live in the outer regions of Tx. Texas is a big state and not everyone lives within the big city of Dallas. A great number of us live in the countryside where it is beautiful and serene, but living under such distances makes travel and visits to town challenging, somewhat dangerous, and sometimes fatal.
Maybe the church could consider putting a Temple more eastwardly of Dallas? Rockwall, Greenville, Royce City, Tyler, or Longview might be nice🙂 Hey, if they can put a temple in Monticello Utah, why not one in East Tx?
Is this going to be a big temple?
This NC girl is ROOTING FOR TX!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 Don’t give up and DON’T GIVE IN!!!!
Prop 8 all over again!1 :( ..here we go.. !! :(
It absolutely does not matter whether they have a particular look beyond the marketing and keeping face that is so common in the LDS/Mormon faith/cult. I have attended or seen temples and church structures or meeting houses in multiple countries including Asian countries where it is simply a room rented out in a business building. What matters, as with all religions, is a safe space for those who would choose to worship. Beyond that there is no ritual or religious reason that would necessitate a spire or particular outward appearance other than their pride and marketing. 36:44
Ha Nemo still remember your trip to Provo. Thanks again
Hoping to come back soon!
I would like some stats. Number of members to regular church buildings. Number of temple attendees to temples. Perhaps a bar graph.
Great entrance Nemo! You’re a delight!
At what rate is your channel growing!? It deserves to be bigger!
It's called bullying. They have used tithepayer money and the wealth they've built with it to intimidate, disrespect property owner's rights and bully to get their gigantic temples built. If the temple work is so important, and it's expedient to get this temple up and running, why are they wasting so much time arguing and bullying over an unnecessarily oversized building and a stupid spire? Is it somehow critical to the effectiveness of the temple work that's done inside? Do people understand that the "spires" are actually obelisks and have a connection with occultic practices? Do members understand that every penny that's spent bullying these citizens over their "spire" and the size of their building could have been used for the good of humanity? This isn't a good look for the church's image. Hypocrites--all of them. It's disgusting.
Who is bullying who? The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints has follow all laws required for this building to be built.
This issue may have to be settled in court... This reminds me of the issues with the Boston Temple.
I don't understand people who make the argument that they need one in Fairview because the one in Dallas too far away. Growing up, the nearest temple to us was 2.5 hours away, and there wasn't even one in my state. The whole ordeal of getting there and back took from 6am to 4pm. Stop complaining and drive a little, it's 30 minutes for heaven's sake.
Well done! Thank you for keeping this story in the forefront. Wishing Fairview the best from an exmo in California.
I'm a member and think why not just offer to build the building without the steeple ?
Some megachurches hold religious services in stadium-sized buildings, notably in the USA's Bible-Belt States. Does RLUIPA allow a church to build a religious stadium in a neighborhood of residential cottages and houses?
Great video, as usual, have come to expect nothing less. And, keep up the good work to all three of you.
Thank you very much!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON No problem! I'm very much looking forward to your episode on tonight's Fairview Townhall meeting. It'll be like a little watch party of our own.
TE QUIERO COMPARTIR MI TESTIMONIO :Fuimos todo lo que hicimos, y somos todo lo que hacemos hoy, y eso es lo que somos. Pasado, presente y futuro. Por ejemplo, la iglesia mormona en el pasado práctico los maTrimonios con muchachas demasiado jovenes al nivel de filia hacia menores de edad, y despojo de sus familias a los hombres que mando muy lejos a Europa a misiones de merolicos. Despojo a Mexico de su territorio y fue a la guerra por eso contra México. Hoy dia despoja a la gente del 10% de su dinero y de su tiempo libre para trabajar sin paga en "cargos y llamamientos"., es socia de empresas de armamentos. Mentiras y despojos, fue y ha sido la iglesia mormona. COMPA MORMON, the church GAME is OVER. ESTO se los dejo a nombre y representación de todos los que ya sabemos la real verdad, QUE ASI SEA.
Polk was the president of the expanding USA. At first it was war as they wanted to expand slavery.. USA paid 45 million dollars for Texas New Mexico and California… Mexico had interest in selling due to internal problems.
The Mormon battalion stationed in Oceanside Ca mission eventually marched up to Sacramento but never ever fought.
There were a few members families who later moved to Mexico and started farms hired local people for agriculture.
If any crazy Mormon married young girls they would loose their membership..
The plural marriage was only permitted to a few to take care of widows, heck I would if it would help me and my kids to survive as men were killed by mobs…if people abused that it’s on them not God or his church…. Individuals sin… so has many priests done in other churches business and politicians.
@evaherrey5038 This is a very thoughtful bit you wrote here. You mentioned some interesting history.
Brigham Young, sent the Mormon Battalion and yes they never saw action. However, the war these poor men did see was a fight with Brigham Young. The monies the government paid Brigham for the soldiers...he kept for himself. Such a tragedy.
Another tragedy was , polygamy. It was being practiced all over Utah, Arizona, Idaho and elsewhere.
Quite evil men like Orson Porter Rockwell, Wild Bill Hickman, John D. Lee had multiple wife's.
Not because of Mormon men being killed by "enemies " of the church.
@@evaherrey5038 you are right!
People from our time think they can sit in judgement of people who lived over 150 years ago, and they pompously think their judgements are right.
Yet, they don't have a clue.
These 3 polygamist may or may not have married underage girls, but I would venture to say most likely did, right?
Further, these aforementioned polygamists, not only weren't worthy men...
All 3 ---were brutal murderers amongst numerous others who never saw a court room let a lone a jail cell; murderers who killed with impunity in psychopathic fashion.
1)"The church being
persecuted ..."?
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2) And yet, what comes over
more directly is
THE CHURCH MAKING SURE
THAT THE WHOLE WORLD SEES (and fully recognizes) ITS DISTINCTIVE GREAT
POWER.
Because GOD BELONGS TO THEM.
See how THEY ARE PROVEN by these contra- dictory evidences to be in
"the right".
Therefore, 1) Do not oppose THEM.
2) Follow ONLY THEM.
Fairview Texas only has a population of 10,000 + people. It is a very small town- it makes no sense that they chose this town to bully
It makes perfect sense for a $100bil corporation to choose to pick on a tiny town bc they believe they can win.
47:48 I think what they’re trying to say is that it doesn’t matter that some lesser members say it’s obvious that the steeple height is not important to the religious observance, because the official representatives of the church say it is, and you as civil officials can’t decide that those lesser members’ opinions are just as important to the church officials.
But David A. Bednar has also said it doesn’t matter
@@NEMOTHEMORMON yes, when I say official church representatives I mean specifically the ones dealing directly with the P&Z in Fairview. They don’t want to deal with the *obvious reality* that almost everyone else agrees that the steeple height doesn’t matter, so they’re claiming that the only church authority that can be acknowledged is basically these few lawyers/reps making their ridiculous claims. 😂
FYI - i think there is a church AI bot or something following the message thread. They responded to my first message and i, along with another user responded to it. I was scrolling through other comments and came across the same user with almost the exact same message (with the same grammatical error) who responded to a could other people. Talk about giving the ick...
17:00 - so much to unpack here: They are hiding the numbers of members in the DFW area by stating the members in Texas overall and noting the 8 temples. The largest growth is likely in DFW but at what point are they going from and to - 5000 members, 10000 members ,,, ? The proposed temple will serve 16000 members according to them. Finally an exact number for the area... So how does that reflect the unstated need for the northern suburbs of Dallas considering the one Dallas temple already serves the entire metropolitan area.... and that 2 lane street is not that busy, nor is that parking lot??? The numbers are in fact irrelevant to a steeple that would be 40'-50' taller than the High Five interchange and a temple without it would still be able to serve those 16000.
What is up with the steeple? What does it have to do with anything?
The proposed temple is about 60 feet high as the main building plus the oversized "Hey, look at me!" spire that runs afoul of local ordinances for the neighborhood. Considering there are many temples without one and that is what's adding the extreme height, one can conclude that it's an extraneous and ostentatious flex. People don't oppose the temple, only the size for the location. Shorter, smaller. Mesa AZ has a temple that would meet height restrictions. It has no steeple. Sadly the church leadership has encouraged its members to say steeples are essential even though a church leader has contradicted that already as do the existence of temples without steeples. That steeple would be in the flight / landing path of a local airport, its lighting would exceed the dark skies ordinance, it would be a 17 story obstruction to the neighbors, which is significant as the neighborhood is residential. They did not anticipate a high-rise building being forced upon them when the zoning is technically not even the 68' already granted to the stake center. Intrusive is the word of the day. If they really want a steeple, then they have the Dallas temple as their example- a shorter building with steeples on the grounds. The tallest there is 95' and they could do a 60' steeple on the grounds with a 50' temple like the Mesa temple.... They sent their kids around with a petition to sign, telling neighbors that it's not really that high. 40'-50' higher than the High Five interchange is indeed very high, and it's sad to see the adults be so disingenuous and even sadder that they are teaching that behaviour to their children. One of the temple recommend questions to enter that temple is "Are you honest in your dealings with your fellow man?" Nope, they're not.
@@elijahhawaiithe Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints has follow all laws and regulations regarding the building of this building.
This is an issue of religious freedom. The laws allow this religious building to be built.
What law prevents it? It will not be the tallest structure in town.
@firstLast-gb9kr at over 150' tall it would be higher than the High Five interchange. City ordinances about height in a residential area prevents it from being built. That is why they need a CUP. If building it were guaranteed none of this would be happening.
@@elijahhawaii a CUP is just part of the permiting process. Hight is just one of the things they look at.
From the writings of Joseph Smith Articles of Faith " We believe in being subject to kings and magistrates" Well the local government said NO.. You should have discussed this BEFORE you pulled permits.
It comes down to the land was bought it met the zoning requirements now the city is denying the build it happens all over.
Chocolate Chocolate Chip Cookies with macadamia nuts is the world's truest biscuit. Eat one and be saved. Send 1/10th of the package to Church HQ for greater blessings of even more yummies.
follow the money !!! Who is profiting from such a high steeple ??? Is it the steeple manufacturer?? Are family friends involved in the desire for such a height ???
The irony with the bitter takes by this panel is that if a temple doesn't get built here something worse will. I hope the protestors get their way and they will find a cheap developer that actually plays dirty. NEMO and his buddies aren't doing any Fairview citizens any favors.
Something tells me they are fixing the tunnels underneath and they really need this Texas site to complete that
So I am actually a lawyer in Texas, and I have one question...is it "bullying" if the town if the Church is right? I ask because the Church is most likely right here. The town approved a very similar building for a different sect. There was no outcry, and it breezed through. The prima facie case for discrimination is on fairly firm ground legally speaking.
If a police officer violates your rights, you need to sue them. It's the same for towns. If the church sues and wins, everyone yelling "bully" should apologize, but I imagine they won't.
Which "very similar building for a different sect" are you mentioning? How tall was it? What happened to it? Was it built? Which sect? Did they work with the city/zoning?
Thanks.
If it’s Creekwood UMC you’re referring to then to my understanding the bell tower was never approved. Also the proposed bell tower was around 20ft shorter than what the church calling for.
Then we come to roof height. No building has ever been approved with a roof line over 60ft. The church has the tallest religious building in Fairview by over all height, and the MAC religious roof height in town is around 45ft.
@NEMOTHEMORMON it has been a minute since I looked at this, but the height of the tower was approved (other details were pending with respect to sound I beleive), and I thought that the tower height was 9 feet different and the roof height was higher than the proposed temple. From a legal case perspective though, the similarities combined with the comments at the meeting will be damming in a lawsuit. The council and the earlier zoning meeting were very much on board and there was no opposition. The outcry and even your involvement is just further evidence that this is a case for discrimination.
I'd say that there is at least (and likely better than) a 50 percent chance that the Church is correct if a suit proceeded. Because of that, they should sue, and it is not bullying.
@@nate2797 Please do check again (especially conditions of Exhibit C). Only the location and footprint of the bell tower was approved. Requested height of 154' was not approved, but sent back to P&Z.
fuck the golden ratio. It's an overused idea that's rarely actually useful. Any professional who claims it carries significance has no geometric sense. It is the litmus test between someone who actually has a appreciation of math and someone who looked at a random Wikipedia page for 5 seconds.
Furthermore I've never heard of a golden triangle. It is technically a term, but it's as useful as calling the square root of 11 a special number.
You're wrong my friend. The golden ratio, of which the golden rectangle is based, is fundamental in all of nature and then in building and architecture (which mirrors it).
This is a fact from a lowely seashell, to the human body
All buildings which fail to consider the "golden ratio" in their intial design, can't help but appear, alien and flawed.
It's that important.
How sad this is Let the church has decided to bring lawyers into this has Joseph Smith said we believe in obeying and sustaining the laws of the land
What about the golden rule?
The temple in Fairview will not just serve Texas residents in Louisiana,south Oklahoma,and Arkansas will also benefit.
It used to be that where temples were built was based on number of members. Now they build in areas that have not the same.
hahahhahahaha....ohhh Mr.Nemo , you are so funny I love your videos
Did anyone get the message when Moroni was struck off SLC temple?????
Imagine if the Scientology Cult came into your little town and starting telling you what to do. This is the same thing. Let's hope the town keeps them out and protects it's citizens from these harmful people.
@@jamiey1200 quiet fruitcake.
Rebecca is the best, stars make you look to the sky not the steeple.
Read the articles of faith. I am ashamed at the behavior of the church.
17:17 Were those numbers before or after the covid exodus?
I think it’s time for Fairview to bring out the Holy Hand grenade of Antioch.
where can I get one of those?