I just told my wife who was getting my 4 year old daughter to sleep: “they’re excommunicating Nemo!”. My 4 year old burst into tears and wailed “nooo”. I had to tell her, not the fish. The fish is fine.
NEMO!!! Please do not sign the NDA. I just attended the national annual conference of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests. We had all kinds of speakers, and when the subject of NDA's came up, everyone from law enforcement to NGO's to attorneys all emphatically warned against ever signing one. The Mormon church was specifically mentioned as being among the most heinous institutuons among those who push the NDA.
Like the rest of societies aren't looking at those 35' tall buildings with a Big- W.hiskey T.ango F.oxtrott moment ! And what's up with the the golden cow on the tip (or angel) blowing a? Trumpet. lmao- Yep I was a temple mormon for decades as well- YOU GOT THIS NEMO
Christ supports Nemo too. He literally hung there, for him. Yet nobody who Christ disciplines is in "good" company. But that's up to Nemo now. For every Korihor who stuck to his guns only to find he was deceived and then ended in a ruinous heap, there is an Alma the Younger or a Saul of Tarsus who turned their life around and served God instead of being a disturber of His kingdom. Let's hope Nemo has the best outcome where he and the Lord walk in lockstep. But in terms of who needs to change for that to happen, my guess it isn't the Lord.
Oh, well, if you’re being objective (as one does), then yeah, Nemo totally crossed the line. In his LadBible interview, he tossed objectivity out the window and used every single question as a chance to take cheap shots at the church. He even claimed the garment reached up to his elbow-because, you know, nothing says “serious critique” like trying to make every member look like a total weirdo. But honestly, that wasn’t even the worst part. Every answer he gave was either flat-out wrong or hilariously one-sided. And then he has the nerve to still call himself a member? Please. The church had to step in, and frankly, it was the only sensible move.
@@NoteworthyAnalysis yeah I disagree nemos rapid fire answers on that show were spot on, outside of the garment question. I saw nothing ex comm worthy in that exchange
@@six1nyne Rapid-fire answers? Seriously? Give me a break. First off, how do you even get a question about garment length wrong unless you're *trying* to mess it up on purpose? He even brought it up *twice*, so don't try to let him off the hook. And it doesn't stop there. Nemo blatantly lied multiple times during the interview. His absurd claims about the church’s involvement in electroshock therapy or why they had to leave Kirtland are enough to make anyone question his so-called expertise. He completely disqualified himself and revealed his true, destructive intentions. But what’s the icing on this cringe-worthy cake? His supporters actually cheer him on! The blind leading the blind has never been more painfully obvious. If you have even a shred of self-awareness, you should have run for the hills after that interview.
@@nicread2102 When one is misguided by the Liahona into the mind manipulations of modern folklore so as to believe in a Korihor as stated by the Urm UmUmm and ThumUm umum We pray for your soul to reach Valhalla
The power dynamic of this proceeding is abusive: NDAs, no foreknowledge of charges, unreasonable time proposals to deter media scrutiny, & inevitable conviction. Why suffer the final humiliation of a kangaroo court?
At 16:10 "worthiness of holding the priesthood is innovative, thats not true now" lmao - NONE of it is true now or ever! They make it up as they go! People like NEMO are only showing us the literal BITE map of this CULT-ture. I got out after decades of being a temple mormon!
The lying and the deception among nearly all of the Q15 is extremely problematic. Dieter F. Uchdorf knows 1st hand how corrupt they are and even got demoted for speaking up and being honest.
Russell M Nelson is Skull and Bones, Owl and Key Bonesman, communist led United Nations lackey! Of course he lied repeatedly. He's a secret combination, anti-Christ! God doesn't work in secret combinations!
The church leaders have caused the loss of my testimony. They are so shifty and dishonest. Because I started seeing one of the ptesidents changing a policy and then the next one say that was wrong and change it back, I began to question. They say the prophet speaks to God and things are done through revelation. So the revelation is one thing for one prophet and a different way for another? This caused me to do a deep dive into Mormon history, and it has been all downhill from there!! Nemo, you are great. I appreciate your honesty and candor.
One of the most barbaric things about excommunication is that it happens to people who want to remain in the community, and it’s the community deciding to ostracize the excommunicated. For those of us who leave on our own, there is no discipline or even acknowledgment that we were even there once upon a time, but for those who want to remain, they establish a kangaroo court and let you know that you are not wanted all while telling you that they love you. In the big scheme of things, there probably isn’t an afterlife so it doesn’t really matter for the salvation of your soul, and it won’t matter to those in the Mormon community, or those on the high council that vote you off the island. The process is designed to hurt you and your family alone. It’s designed to make mothers cry, spouses feel ashamed, and put your children on an entirely different path outside of all the positive values the church claims to provide for families. So much for being a brother’s keeper.
Exactly right. That is the key to understanding how the process is illegitimate. Nothing in the Book of Mormon and Alma's experience painted this process that is done in the church. Nor did the Savior ever toss someone out who, being a sinner, asked his forgiveness. Nor did the Savior use the process to silence those whose views disagreed with him.
Nemo - with all due respect, what have you got to lose? The church ceased to be a church long ago - if ever it was. This is a multi-billion dollar corporation masquerading as church. Jesus doesn’t dwell in its midst - or in the upper room. My condolences.
I watched the live but I wanted a comment on here too. Nemo, you have a community behind you and a community that are grateful for the work you do. My heart goes out to you as you go through this.
I hope you are going to surreptitiously record the disciplinary meeting. Many of my ex Jw brethren were under the same restrictions and still recorded the meeting. The inner workings of these meetings need to be disclosed to the rank and file members! The hypocrisy and unfairness of these proceedings need to be made public! I’m a never mo, but love your work. From Australia.
like most corporations they are very sensitive regarding likes and online, etc. etc. I suspect they have had their eye on you and no doubt they will take note of who comments and who is following you. I suspect that when you revealed that they use an AI bot to answer queries regarding the church, that was the straw that broke the camels back myself I find it appalling that the corrupt leaders of this restored church would stoop to using AI instead of a proper flesh and blood human to speak with if you were to have somebody like Spencer Kimball arrive today he would be appalled alsothat we have stoop levels and they probably wouldn’t even give him a temple. Recommend.
I want you to know I’ve thoroughly appreciated your content, and while I know you feel like you’ve willingly put yourself in harms way to ask for the institution you love and support to deepen in its honesty and integrity, I cannot imagine that’s its been anything less than heartbreaking. I’ve been watching the series on racial equality with Matt Harris on Mormon Stories and one thing that’s struck me is as much as the leadership of the Church try to present this image that they are above influence of external and internal criticism, they are deeply affected by it. While leadership have ousted many in the struggle for things like racial equality or historical transparency, these people ultimately contribute to a driving force that causes the Church to be better. Nemo, I see you as someone asking your institution to hold itself to the standard of integrity it holds its membership. Unfortunately the Church may excommunicate you, and yet I think it will become better as it is forced to reckon with its own lapses in integrity. Thank you for all that you do, and have done.
Nemo makes me wish I had stayed in the church, so I could have strengthened the community and build a foundation of Christlike love. He is an example of strength, integrity and conviction. Excommunicating him will do nothing to tarnish Nemo’s worth and reputation, but will reflect so poorly on the church’s integrity and priorities.
Nah, he's been attempting to deceive people into leaving the church while saying he's still a member. When somebody does something like that at a government level, the punishment is capital punishment, it is considered treason. I understand he believed the church was false and that we are all deceived sheep, but that is his point of view (which you likely share), not the point of view of many informed members that still are members and do believe and don't go around finding ways to make other members ditch their faith by finding ways to slander the faith he supposedly belongs to. He should have given up his membership status ages ago and only kept it to see how long it would take for this to happen, only to play the victim when it inevitably did. The church was exaggeratedly patient in this matter. I've seen people excommunicated for much less.
@@99blackbirds My Ggma was FLDS my gma was RLDS I became temple status LD$ However, for every reason it all fits the BITE MAP of a CULTture I dont stand for, Im out! Rarely do they excommunicate anymore because thousands a year are leaving.
The level of delusion required to formulate a comment so absurd as this is actually quite incredible. How do you xmos put on your shoes? Surely none of you are gainfully employed, right?
This is so wild. I'm a Christian (non-Mormon, though I have a several Mormon friends), but if my church leaders tried to even imagine something like this, they'd be laughed out of the building by the members. The secrecy, the human authority, the blocking of legal counsel...utterly foreign to my religious perspective and experience. God alone has authority to accept or reject someone from his family. And the Bible is clear that secrecy is only for lies. The truth NEVER needs to be secret.
I think it’s safe to assume that Oaks is now running things behind the scenes. It doesn’t surprise me that Nemo would be at the top of his hit list. This is personal for him.
@@talonfox3956 I had the privilege of seeing Oaks being confronted by a small number of members and I suspect apostates during a Q&A in my small Montana stake. He gave pretty non-memorable noncommittal apologetic answers to the “anti” questions but what I remember the most were 2 things. Number one was the smug smirk on his face anytime he thought he had won against the questioners. He was a lawyer and still is. He likes to fight dirty and will do and say anything to win. The second thing I remember most was the burning seething hatred behind his eyes when the debate did not go his way. You can see it sometimes in the videos about him when his smile slips and his eyes go cold. This is a man that has a deep resentment for anyone who dares to oppose him. Buckle your seatbelts because you can bet that this guy is going to double down.
@@talonfox3956 I had the privilege of seeing Oaks being confronted by a small number of members and I suspect apostates during a Q&A in my small Montana stake. He gave pretty non-memorable noncommittal apologetic answers to the “anti” questions but what I remember the most were 2 things. Number one was the smug smirk on his face anytime he thought he had won against the questioners. He was a lawyer and still is. He likes to fight dirty and will do and say anything to win. The second thing I remember most was the burning seething hatred behind his eyes when the debate did not go his way. You can see it sometimes in the videos about him when his smile slips and his eyes go cold. This is a man that has a deep resentment for anyone who dares to oppose him. Buckle your seatbelts because you can bet that this guy is going to double down.
I have two theories for why now: 1) Nemo showed video of a real horse. 2) Oaks is pushing this somehow because he'll be the next prophet and we can't have Nemo as a member saying things about him on a BBC podcast.
@@robertb6889 what do you find surprising about shock therapy? The US Government still approves of it this day in the Judge Rotenberg Centre, shocking children with developmental disabilities. That's why the ASAN run a campaign called #stoptheshock
My heart goes out to you, Nemo. I've been watching much of your content since the beginning. I am a multi-generational member in the US, in later life. I quietly stopped participating ten years ago or so having done all the things--mission, temple marriage, kids, and many years of full participation. I have not had to wrestle with the removal of my name from the rolls so far. But it's something that, as grave as it may feel (it does feel grave to me, even now), is out of our hands. You have consistently met your burden of truth and fairness, of giving the benefit of the doubt, of reserving judgement, of not impugning the motives or character of your leaders, and only assuming the best intentions on their behalf. You have clearly sought the truth, regardless of outcome. I suspect all of that has rightly delayed the onset of disciplinary action. But I have to say I thought it inevitable from the start, as I expect many others did, too. Many people feel like they have sought the truth. But if one rises high enough in the church--Stake Pres/Miss Pres level--one's loyalty to the chain of command will be tested against the principles taught in the beatitudes and commandments, and any effort to suss out truth. That loyalty (fealty, really) is the gate through which all high leaders must pass to continue to rise, to be "chosen" rather than just "called." It is not integrity or adherence to Jesus' word that makes them "worthy" although those ideas hold secondary importance--and I still believe there are many outstanding individuals in stake and even global leadership callings who "know" but find ways to make peace with knowing differently than those like me who exit. But sadly I think the outcome of these more visible "courts of love" is often used as this loyalty test--again, loyalty to the Brethren, not to Jesus or his teachings. These leaders are under tremendous pressure and face a very real risk of shame, losing social status and even personal identity in these roles, should they step out of line. But they are agents, and must choose and be accountable just like you and me. Jimi Hendrix wrote, “I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life the way I want to.” I would change "the way I want to." to "according to my conscience." or some such. But you get the gist. If God is real, if Mormonism is even in the neighborhood of the truth, I believe he will judge us on our faithfulness to correct principles, not our loyalty to men, no matter what status they hold in the church. And we can bet that those guys will be scarce when our time comes. So keep moving forward no matter their puny efforts to stop you and tear you down. Wishing you peace with whatever the outcome may be.
The Law, whether Jewish, Roman ,English or so called Gods law , LDS priesthood law or any other law does not know or even care what the whole truth is but just wants to arrive at a outcome. It wants to keep excersising its authority and keep evolving. The charge of Apostacy is complicated but the court will show its evidence and your Jury is the 12 men sitting in the court 12 stake high priests. 6 for you 6 against you and you wont know who is who? They will draw lots to establish who does what! Also the SP and his 2 councillors. You will be honest as you are honest. You will tell your truth of things your perception. You will feel upset and will greet and cry and will feel what you reconise as the Spirt of God. You may also feel a degree of self rightousness or some anger at times . They will accuse you of not been humble or humble enough! You will feel relief when they excommumicate you by their Vote. But your feelings will be mixed for a long time until you have Grieved.! We make our own beds and then we lie in it. .
Nemo.....as I'm listening to this now..... YOU REALLY NEED TO DEMAND, IN WRITING, THE EVIDENCE/ISSUES THAT THEY SPECIFICALLY PLAN TO CONFRONT YOU WITH. You have a right to PREPARE A DEFENSE!!!!!
This channel is a collection of priestcraft and rebellion. Maybe start the list there. If Nemo is unhappy with how Christ runs His church, through servants He has chosen, then Christ is giving him an opportunity to hear a call for repentance from one of his angels, as was given to Laman, Lemuel, Alma the Younger, Saul, king Noah, Zeezrom, Sherem, Korihor, Nehor and others. The angel is his stake president, but the one who sent the angel is Christ. Call it an act of mercy, call it a wake-up call, what it now becomes depends on whether Nemo wants to keep feeding the mob, or wake up to his own awful state and turn back to the Lord. Not the church. Not the leaders. Jesus Christ. You can't attack church policy without attacking the leaders. You can't attack those called to serve by revelation without attacking Christ who extended those callings. You can't attack Christ without attacking the Father who sent Him. So in this test of fidelity, Nemo is found wanting, and no doubt this formal action is not the first time he has been spoken to. God is longsuffering and patient, but ultimately He won't be mocked by one who has received so many blessings and made sacred covenants with Him, which he is now blatantly acting out against. Nemo has been saying for ages how wrong he thinks this and that is. So let nobody be surprised that the King of the kingdom could show him door. In his heart of hearts, Nemo knows the reasons all too well.
Imagine if government prosecutors were given all the evidence to be presented by the defense at trial but the defense was not entitled to any of the state’s evidence until the day of trial. Church disciplinary councils make a mockery of anything resembling a fair judicial process. Secret, not public, trials by ambush. There is no due process where the church engages in trial by ambush. Best of luck Nemo!
I totally agree, this is a kangaroo court making a mockery of religion and justice. I am proud of Nemo and consider him a Moses of this generation. Much love and support to you Nemo. You are valiant and a truth seeker. You are level headed and of a much higher moral caliber than most. Many, many people agree with your thoughts and efforts to encourage integrity in the leadership. ❤
And that’s it’s actually what the New York court did to Trump but people think he got a fair trial and justly convicted smh clowns and npc’s in this country
@@BrianWaller-qe7gr None of this is factual -- nor relevant to Nemo's circumstances. Trump's team was provided with TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY-FIVE _THOUSAND_ documents -- the majority of which were initially supplied by Trump himself, and were therefore in his possession before proceedings even began. And that's to say nothing of the fact that all defendants knew all the charges against them as of Sept. 21, 2022 -- more than a YEAR before the summary judgement was issued. To add injury to insult, it was actually TRUMP HIMSELF who failed to turn over communications in accordance with the discovery process (see: April 25th letter from OAG to Engoron). Trump even had to pay a $110k fine for failing to comply with a subpoena. But pErSeCuTiOn, ammirite?! Nemo is the victim of a church that obfuscates rather than face its own problems. Trump is the victim of his own actions.
I got REALLY bad vibes from Dallin H. Oakes over 4 years ago!! He is the catalyst for me pursuing to remove my records from the LDS church which I successfully did in 2021
No surprise really... I mean, none of us agree with the church, and speaking out makes the church edgy, so, you now get to keep improving! Yer a good egg....
What has taken me from the church is: I first began questioning the church because of Elder Ballard and his involvement with Tim Ballard, then the church’s attempting to backpedal and cover it up. I wasn’t even aware of your channel until I was well into the rabbit holes. I was shocked as I discovered item after item that made me sick to my stomach about the church. I am sorry this is happening to you, I really enjoy your channel and it has helped me through this very difficult time.
Thank You for being here. It can't be easy going through a crisis of belief in Mormonism, just know you have a lot of support in the exmormon community, maybe even more support than in the pro LDS community.
I’m sad for the pain your deconstruction caused you. Glad that you found Nemo and the rest of us who understand from our experience what you had to go through. Now it’s our turn to support Nemo.
I learned while living in Utah to focus on my ward family and not slc -- it helps! I love my ward family and Sundays and the fellowship 🌷 it reminds me of politics -- ignore the heads of state -- focus on community. I believe Jesus taught this.
The Lord is patient and longsuffering. Now Nemo has reached a point where the Lord wants to save him from himself and from the bray of the mob he's built around himself, which only eggs him on, further away from Christ. There are plenty of people in ward and stake and even Area callings who are asses. But the First Presidency and the Twelve are not among them. And neither is Christ, who has sanctioned this step. No doubt the mob will want their pound of flesh, their cup of blood, and demand Nemo share every detail of what should be a very private and soul-searching 'time out'. I doubt anyone can reach the clarity they need to see, or the stillness they need to heal, with such a din. I hope Nemo takes it seriously, and not as a tabloid opportunity. How he chooses to handle it will say much about his depth of character.
@MrBillmechanic wait are they actually considering changing the name of church ? I know about the rebrand and move away from the term Mormon / LDS but I haven't heard of a name change
Nemo, You are who you were meant to be. Ultimately this life is a walk with the Divine, and your path will take you where you are meant to be. This weekend I was feeling the weight of my own spiritual journey. As sorry as I am for what you are going through, I find inspiration in your story. There may always be those who shut out those who think and believe differently, but Christ opens the door. You see the unseen, and that makes you a hero in my book. Wishing you well from afar :)
My church leaders had the greatest negative impact on my faith and church activity-prophets, apostles, a member of my branch presidency at the MTC, various local leaders including bishops and a stake president, my mission president, my ex husband, and my father.
Speaking to causing me to leave the church...heard of Nemo after I had left. Would watch his podcasts and think boy I admire his faith and love of the church. It made me think he loves the church enough to stay and try for change from within.❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
I’m so sorry that the Church has finally started their retribution. I truly respect your stand for your beliefs and the risks you have taken. Few people would fight for their spiritual beliefs against such resistance you knew would just be a matter of time. Please keep up your spirits and energy to continue your mission as so much more must be accomplished!
I've participated in multiple disciplinary councils. In ZERO cases were the outcomes in favour of the accused. The determination of the council was ALWAYS an inevitable and foregone conclusion. This is not a trial! There is no due process. Laws of evidence and assumptions of innocence are not factors. It's a sentencing hearing! I've also sat in many of those councils where now a substantial number of the council are themselves disaffected from the church. I've never witnessed such bored and awkward groups of 16 men before or since. It's a complete waste of everyone's time. I hope they all have to give up something important to attend.
Thank you for that first-hand perspective. I think most of us strongly suspect this to be the case, and your experience serves to confirm these suspicions. However, if I were Nemo, I would be anxious to hear the nonsense they come up with, and want to look them in the eye as they spew it.
@@woodystube1000 I can throw my hat in the ring having sat on over 20 councils. This is not the case. Someone's first hand perspective isn't the only perspective.
Incorrect. I've been the Clerk at two of these hearings and both were dismissed without any action against the member. I guarantee the authorities present do their best to apply the forgiveness of Christ. However, if a member is argumentative or unwilling to "cease and desist", the outcome could be different.
My testimony was weakened most by President Nelson's comments regarding the Arizona child abuse case. When He celebrated the Church getting away with not reporting heinous sexual child abuse I lost all respect for President Nelson, and all belief that He could be called as God's current prophet. In contrast, Nemo's faithful efforts to remain within the Church despite his own faith crisis and concerns with various issues in the Church has helped me to not leave in my own faith crisis. Perhaps the Church's actions to excommunicate Nemo just shows me the Church has no room for me either. I had actually written a letter of resignation, but didn't send it after I discovered Nemo's channel. Watching Nemo and seeing how he remained in the Church encouraged me to try to remain as well. I don't see how excommunication is loving, compassionate or Christ-like.
It was immediately after the Border Patrol officer's case hit the press that my better half came to me in tears and said she didn't want me paying tithing anymore. I was happy to say I was already on it.
Tal vez con Gordon B Hinckley no había tantas redes y alcance como ahora, pero El y Thomas S Monson - un discípulo de Cristo - no abusaron de la propaganda como El Querido Lider Nelson, uso el titulo que se le dan a los Kim en Norcorea por tanta propaganda y sobreexposición, las fotos apropiadas, las frases apropiadas
My heart breaks watching the emotion on Nemo during this. Thankyou so much for all the work you have done and I am sure will continue to do. You are an amazing person who speaks the truth, and is of the greatest character. I hope you can ride out the emotional journey and come through the other side with continued vigour to do the important work you do. You inspire me, and I am sure you inspire many others to keep going, and I hope you feel that reflected back in an overwhelming show of support.
I don’t in any way believe that they’re prohibiting electronic recording because the meeting is sacred, it’s purely a matter of preventing negative publicity.
It is supposed to be private. The individual can talk about it but leaders are supposed to keep it private as not to create gossip or damage to the character of the individual.
I bet the church actually secretly records it. I guarantee in the US they would. It's just something cults do. Even if they can never make it public without huge legal consequences, they'd do it. Research purposes, keeping a dossier of sorts. They definitely want to remember every name you mention.
@@Grey-x2c They most likely didn’t allow him because the presidency and council are aware Douglas does this for a living, they know what Jeremy Runnels did with his recording and others who recorded theirs. WARD RADIO warned them Douglas would share personal information about others without their consent publicly as it’s his living.
Chin up, Nemo. Your podcast has enlightened so many, including me. I've learned so much from you and I hope to continue to learn more. You are not alone, and you are so loved.
❤ 69 yr old granny here. Convert 40+ years. Nemo, you are a courageous spirit, with a brilliant intellect. Joseph Freekin SMITH trashed my testimony! Your determination to stay in the church, and promote positive truthful discussions inspired me to resist sending in my resignation papers. My heart hurts for you. You are loved by the TRUE God of heaven.
I’m sad to hear that-- haven’t you heard that Joseph was NEVER a polygamist - read Joseph Smith Revealed-- he was innocent of the wolves around him accusations -- it should give you a clue that Wikipedia bashes Joseph smith but Russell M Nelson’s Wikipedia page makes him glow -- all run by the NWO - look also up the Restoration archives -- the Remnant saints are alive and well -- and love the Church of the lamb of God
The SEC fine was what caused me to leave. The church itself did it. I had never heard of Nemo until I was out. The church needs to stop blame shifting.
Are you going to leave your family or friendships because of a legal fine? A fine itself does not constitute something is true or not true. Your favorite corporation likely has at least a 100 open lawsuits against it if it operates in the US…
First, I haven't left any friends or family. Second, you say corporations have open lawsuits. Corporations don't claim to be gods one true church. Well, I guess one corporation does.
Nemo, you are doing everything you can to hold the Church and its leaders accountable. It is a commendable way to spend your energy and your days; we should be so lucky as to have many more like you out there holding leaders accountable because nothing will change as long as people allow it. Hold on and hold firm. They are coming after you which means you are doing something RIGHT. Chin up, chap.
Thin skin isn’t what it is. NEMO deserves removal from church records. He would get fired or divorced from any job or family talking the way he does about the church for which he is a member. Honestly makes me laugh. He will look back in a year or two when his church derangement and criticism has settled and see how ridiculous he is being.
He's been putting a mirror in front of the leadership of the church. Anyone not willing to question fallible man is ridiculous. He's been doing good work and has helped this member of the church feel sane. I've been able to continue as an active member of the Church because of people like Nemo. @phillipcook3430
I have appreciated all the work Nemo has done. He has opened my eyes as to ask more questions. He has done nothing to take me away from the church. The absolute only person who has taken me away from the church is Nelson himself. God luv yuh, Nemo. With you all the way.
Yeah, Nelson is Skull and Bones Owl and Key Bonesman anti-Christ, communist led United Nations. He too is the reason why I don't believe in that Brighamite church either. God doesn't work in secret combinations! And the mark of the beast, mRNA gene Technologies, is not safe and effective.
All 3 of my girls were abused by a first counselor in the bishopric. I was blamed by 2 stake presidents and 2 bishops. Said i was a scorn woman and made up things about this man. This was after I spoke to the police. He was put on the pedophile list for our city. Here in Utah. He was never disciplined. But I was and lost my temple recommend. A widow since I was 30. Raised 5 kids. And this happened.
When high-demand organizations run out of steam, some members stay to try to make them better, some hit the exits (like me), and some seek more intense versions of the cult. Flowers to you, Nemo, for trying to help a sick organization wake up and transition to something less toxic.
I am very sorry you are hurting, Nemo, and I am so happy the Britvengers are there to support you and help you process this news! Everyone deserves friends like each of you! ♥
We all know that the lawyers run the church. The straw that broke the camels back was when Nemo faced off with them at the town council meeting for the Texas temple controversy. His presentation was so intelligent and exposed the church’s rediculous arguments. They clearly didn’t take that well….to be taken to task by one of their own members with so much influence in a public forum, not a court room Btw, this would be called a kangaroo court in the US…a legitimate trial requires that the person know their charges and the evidence against him well before.. Time to prepare a defence with an arbitrator, witnesses etc. And of course it is recorded and transcripted word for word. The LDS CHURCH IS AN EMBARASSING DISGRACE!
It's a church, not a country. His entire channel is dedicated to opposing the leadership of the church. Why he's stayed in is anyones guess. But lets not pretend this is a nation running a jury trial. It's an voluntary organisation with membership requirements. If someone doesn't want to meet those requirements they are free to leave, as is the church free to remove their name from its membership record. The same as any other association, church, union, or group out there.
@@brentd273 I don’t disagree with your point. The church should therefore just oust whoever they want with a simple notification. Enough with all the high drama, pretending the person has a say when it’s already decided. And setting it up as if it is actually based loosely on some kind of real justice system. I hope Nemo will just be done with it.
The baseball baptism revelations is where my loss of belief in the church began. I was clued into this before my mission by my boss at work and then after I came back Mormon Stories covered this and I read about it there. When it comes to losing belief in the church it is inevitable that one revelation of falsehood leads to another. It is a snowball rolling down a hill that gathers mass as it rolls.
Nemo, your kindness at Thrive in the states was instrumental in helping me and my hubby have a much more successful understanding of where we are at with all things church related. Thank you so very much for just being YOU!
I'm sorry that getting booted out is so upsetting to you. I booted them out first, but I was a lowly widow of little means, so it didn't make a dent. You, on the other hand, have a voice with a capital Vee! Thank you for all you bring, please don't go away. I left in November 2015 and I was nearly 70 years old. Didn't know you, hadn't seen the CES letter. In South Africa 🇿🇦 💜 I didn't know I wasn't allowed to read certain books and see what Sunstone was doing. I think you appeal to the more thinking, reflective types of folk. I hope the Britvengers continue to do what is right, let the consequences etc..... Thank you - all of you - for bringing us the non-American POV, and for shining a light in dark corners. 🐠👋
What a lovely message, all joy to you in your freedom from LDS control and I imagine Nemo will be very touched that his work and efforts have been appreciated by you ❤❤
Why do we give that church so much power over us? If the church truly cares for its members, they would try all they can to keep them and save their souls!
Nemo, I’ve watched your content for a while now, and my heart is breaking for you. Thank you for your courage, responsibility and sensitivity to those who are members of the church and those who have left. It takes a man of integrity and good character to bring to light the truths of a faith you and so many love. I hope you continue the incredible work you’re doing. You have so many who stand beside you. Sending love from the US. ❤
The evidence of the "faith you and so many love" is nowhere to be seen. Unfortunately his "love" has been directed at said faith with hostility, fun poking and mischief. Such demonstrations of "love" are pretty far removed.
He may not want to before the disciplinary council as that could be seen negatively by his stake president. However, I think the rest of us can certainly try to inform them.
I bet it’s for calling o their lies bordering on perjury in McKinney, Texas publicly. The lawyers should be disbarred and the church fined for claiming steeple height was essential to religious worship.
@@phillipcook3430 perjury. Claiming in legal declarations that steeple height is an essential part of their religion and necessary for a temple. Anyone with any understanding of Mormon temples and theology knows that's an outright lie and misrepresentation, and you can't lie in legal filings. It's both a crime and an ethical breach for the lawyers that should get them disciplined by the bar.
It was the words of Joseph Smith’s wives, their letters and journals, that destroyed my testimony of the truthfulness of this church. It was the words of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young that destroyed my testimony. It was Holland’s musket fire talk, when my gay son had just recently come out to me, that shattered my testimony that these men represented Jesus Christ or that Jesus leads this organization. I did not listen to one single ex-Mormon podcast until I had completely lost my faith after carefully reading well documented history and the words of our leaders. The words and behaviors of our leaders singlehandedly destroyed my faith. This was all before I knew Nemo the Mormon or Mormon Stories existed.
It’s ok Nemo. I left the church 9 years ago. Takes a lot of tears and reflecting to get through it. It’s easy to look back on and how much my life has improved since finding out the church isn’t anything other than a business and mainstream cult… Family and familiarity keeps you wanting to stay no matter the facts you learn but sweet relief of letting go will come with time. Continue the good work and make videos revealing the church for what it truly is and educating the public. Godspeed my friend.
As someone who went through a disciplinary council that was improperly held by a bishop, and not by the stake council nearly 25 years ago, then left the church just over 20 years ago, I'm sad to see them still following nearly the identical procedures. Nothing has changed. I'm sorry you're going through this experience. I understand you love this church and it means so much to you, so this has to feel absolutely awful. I hope for the best for you.
Don’t have intelligence of your own. Blind strict obedience is what they demand. They can’t argue on the merits that you have constantly put in front of them. I want the best for you Nemo, always.
Hi Nemo, first thank you for constantly giving us the true information about the Mormon church. I truly appreciate it. Second, this is definitely just me, but I wish I had such an influence like you, so much influence that the church had to "discipline" you. If I were you, I would only respond to the letter with this short sentence: "Take my name off your record, or do whatever you want." I can't care less what they'll do, I'll simply keep speaking the truth. Thanks, Nemo.
Asking someone to overlook mistakes because they've done all this good stuff is such a ridiculous notion. Would you say the same thing to someone who has been faithful to their partner for 10 years but then cheated on them? "But they were faithful to you for 9 years so just focus on that".
52:29 Nemo I'm an American inactive Mormon who lives in England, I absolutely would come to support you. 10 AM or anytime. Thank you for your integrity and courage, you are a beacon for all truth seekers out there.
The person who most affected my testimony and weakened me to the point of removing my name is the SEC, the November 15th announcement, the excommunication of anyone who asks questions, the lies lies lies about the history. Nemo had nothing to do with it.
I’ve been in the church for a year. Not really a convert but wanted to explore the church in the hope I’d be unequivocally convinced it was true and I was the crazy one for questioning it. But, really….????? This is insane. How is Christ any part of this?????
As per the Bible, Jesus Christ invited everyone and anyone... including his apostles! He loved, especially those who were the poor, the sick, misunderstood, etc. discipline actions by the church sounds more like the laws and controls of men and not the love of Christ!
The "oh we don't want it to be dark and gloomy" line, as to why it's in the daytime hours, does make me think of the headline, "Mormon church expels dissident in secretive council under cover of darkness!"
Nemo - they are ticked about the McKinney Temple and the things you said. That is recent, it was powerful and it highlighted the hypocrisy and corruption. This would be my best guess.
Nope. This happened when he started going on outlets claiming to be a member of the church and speaking on behalf of the church. The church will get its spire. Nemo did nothing to stop that. Just watch, sweethearts.
I assumed this day would come and always wondered why you felt it never would. The tone of the LDS church in Britain may be much more inclusive and lent you security. Very different from the highly critical organisation I have known in Western America. Your content is wonderful and I so hope you will continue to speak out despite whatever feeble slings and arrows the church tries to lob at you. The NDA is a sign of their vulnerability and your fortitude, never the reverse.
Being relatively unfamiliar with the excommunication process, this is a learning experience and I sincerely thank you for sharing it. Being very familiar with the criminal justice system in the US, I can confidently extrapolate that this meeting is just a formality. It is quite clear all decisions have already been set, and this “trial” is just going through the motions and collecting information from your responses. It is clear that nothing you do at this point could affect the outcome. This is not justice, or even an inquiry. This is a condemnation and summary judgement by man.
One of my favorite church history stories is Joseph Fielding Smith hiding the account of 1st vision. Toddler hiding poopy diaper. The beat goes on....❤go Nemo!!!!
Your pain touches me tenderly because of the value you place on church membership. The Church has been my extended family for 80 years, and I recognize the bonding. The work of John Dehlin has helped me understand that as my eyes open and my beliefs change, I do not have to lose that bond. (I let sleeping dogs lie = not rock the boat.) I have told my ward that I am here because this is where we help each other. That goes on regardless of belief. We cannot correct the Church, but we can show people how to trust themselves even when they are told lies. In the end, your testimony of YOURSELF is determinative. The Church has no power over that. The Church can suppress your privileges in mortality, but it can never corrupt your INDEPENDENT ETERNAL identity.
@@Kerry-f3c All of them come from an insider perspective which he does not discard. I do wonder whether he would still attend quorum meetings if he perceived everyone there as trying to change him. Thus far I believe him that he attends for the positive reinforcement that he receives. If that goes away, he will rethink his preferences. Thank you for inviting clarification.
@@KentVBusse thank you. I agree it is from an insider, but an insider who seems to believe that everything about the church he belongs to is negative, detrimental to members and shameful in its practices. The dichotomy is either astonishing or fake.
@@Kerry-f3c Yes, that is the content of the video. The subject of the discussion is the points of friction. I submit that there is a much larger body of agreement that is not mentioned because it does not fit the current subject. It is that invisible, reading-between-the-lines substance that would reveal why Nemo has spent any time at all on these discussions. He has many more years and experiences that he enjoyed; they motivate him to reduce the pain points which dominate the visible discussion. Sometimes a wife says "if I didn't love you, I would not care enough to complain."
This is hard, Nemo. I'm sorry about the letter. Since we all have a pretty good idea of the outcome of the disciplinary council, have you considered disempowering your Stake President and the Church by resigning your membership instead of participating in the excommunication process? Regardless of how you proceed, please know many of us love and support you. This action reflects poorly on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, not you, Nemo.
Nemo, please for all of us try and record your council meeting. Either audio or both audio and video. We need more transparency in these pharisaical meetings
I was disfellowshipped as one of Jehovah's witnesses; my crime was Apostasy. I, too, had to appear before a committee of three Elders. My appeal before another committee of three Elder; had a forgone conclusion: persona non grata.
If a religion avoids defending their faith and tries to silence those who question their ideas and motives then they really do meet the criteria of a cult. One supreme leader who can't be questioned pretty much buttons it up. I am sorry for all the believing LDS members.
In 1998, I received a letter from my stake president informing me that a church disciplinary council would be held to discuss charges of "conduct unbecoming a member of the church" against me. The "charges" were that I had told some of my fellow ward members about some of the troubling historical issues I had been recently learning about. Funny thing, though: I had already sent in a letter of resignation from the church 2.5 months earlier. So my response to the SP's letter was to call the church's membership department and complain. The guy I spoke to straightened out the SP in a hurry.
So let me do some basic math Randy. That was 26 years ago you left the church and you’re still on here trolling the comments about the church. When exactly are you gonna move on with your life?
@@randyjordan5521Everything you know about the church was provided by the church. The church let the Tanners in the history archives even though the Tanner’s were clearly setting up a cottage industry attacking the church.
21 minutes in, and I have to say that over the past two years or so, my testimony has been strengthened by Nemo… it has been really strengthened to know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the lds church of today is in no way ran or directed by God, and that it is my testimony that the leaders of the church are an abomination to the teaching of Jesus Christ, and are in apostasy themselves…
Oliver Cowdrey and Sydney Rigdon said the exact same thing before they left . The church had 10,000 members then. Exact same poor reasons for leaving, 180 years later.
invited to defend yourself? A confidentiality agreement? Are you going to sign? If yes - you'll go, they'll tell you to take down your videos, you won't. You will be sent a letter telling you that you are being excommunicated. If you don't sign it, you won't be allowed to attend and you will be sent a letter telling you that you are being excommunicated. They don't do Bishops court anymore. It's do as you are told or you're ex-ed. (You'll feel bad but then you will feel FREE!!!!
@@user-ql2id3ml3i as much as they say, they go in with an open mind, they have decided to outcome before the meeting. If you repent and take down the channel, they probably won’t ex-communicate you but if you don’t then they will. Same with Jws. Tho mostly, the outcome is usually shunning. If you ask for a 2nd committee to review, it is always disfellowshipping/shunning!
The absence of hearing wise counsel from a loving father doesn't mean the path one walks is somehow correct, only that you are too far away from the father to hear his voice anymore. That's a false freedom. Eventually we all have an account to settle.
I just told my wife who was getting my 4 year old daughter to sleep: “they’re excommunicating Nemo!”. My 4 year old burst into tears and wailed “nooo”. I had to tell her, not the fish. The fish is fine.
That’s funny!
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Aw bless her ❤
Don't sign the NDA. That only protects the church corporation, not you, Nemo.
100% agree
If he doesn't sign it, then he can go to the meeting.
NEMO!!! Please do not sign the NDA. I just attended the national annual conference of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests. We had all kinds of speakers, and when the subject of NDA's came up, everyone from law enforcement to NGO's to attorneys all emphatically warned against ever signing one. The Mormon church was specifically mentioned as being among the most heinous institutuons among those who push the NDA.
I didn't know they made people sign an NDA! That's insane
Please Nemo do not sign.
Nemo - you've possibly doomed them to 35' tall temples. The hierarchy simply can't have that.
How are we supposed to remember where God is if the steeple doesn’t lead our eyes up high enough?
@@YogiTheBearMan We'll be left to just look at our shoes sadly
But there are temples without steeples so they don’t all need babel tower tall sized steeple.
Like the rest of societies aren't looking at those 35' tall buildings with a Big- W.hiskey T.ango F.oxtrott moment ! And what's up with the the golden cow on the tip (or angel) blowing a? Trumpet. lmao- Yep I was a temple mormon for decades as well- YOU GOT THIS NEMO
@@YogiTheBearMan The real secret purpose of the steeple is that's where the radio antenna goes, to send data to Kolob
“Do what is right, let the consequence follow.”
We support you Nemo. Hang in there. You’re in good company.
Christ supports Nemo too. He literally hung there, for him. Yet nobody who Christ disciplines is in "good" company. But that's up to Nemo now. For every Korihor who stuck to his guns only to find he was deceived and then ended in a ruinous heap, there is an Alma the Younger or a Saul of Tarsus who turned their life around and served God instead of being a disturber of His kingdom. Let's hope Nemo has the best outcome where he and the Lord walk in lockstep. But in terms of who needs to change for that to happen, my guess it isn't the Lord.
Oh, well, if you’re being objective (as one does), then yeah, Nemo totally crossed the line. In his LadBible interview, he tossed objectivity out the window and used every single question as a chance to take cheap shots at the church. He even claimed the garment reached up to his elbow-because, you know, nothing says “serious critique” like trying to make every member look like a total weirdo. But honestly, that wasn’t even the worst part. Every answer he gave was either flat-out wrong or hilariously one-sided. And then he has the nerve to still call himself a member? Please. The church had to step in, and frankly, it was the only sensible move.
@@NoteworthyAnalysis yeah I disagree nemos rapid fire answers on that show were spot on, outside of the garment question. I saw nothing ex comm worthy in that exchange
@@six1nyne Rapid-fire answers? Seriously? Give me a break. First off, how do you even get a question about garment length wrong unless you're *trying* to mess it up on purpose? He even brought it up *twice*, so don't try to let him off the hook. And it doesn't stop there. Nemo blatantly lied multiple times during the interview. His absurd claims about the church’s involvement in electroshock therapy or why they had to leave Kirtland are enough to make anyone question his so-called expertise. He completely disqualified himself and revealed his true, destructive intentions. But what’s the icing on this cringe-worthy cake? His supporters actually cheer him on! The blind leading the blind has never been more painfully obvious. If you have even a shred of self-awareness, you should have run for the hills after that interview.
@@nicread2102 When one is misguided by the Liahona into the mind manipulations of modern folklore so as to believe in a Korihor as stated by the Urm UmUmm and ThumUm umum We pray for your soul to reach Valhalla
The power dynamic of this proceeding is abusive: NDAs, no foreknowledge of charges, unreasonable time proposals to deter media scrutiny, & inevitable conviction. Why suffer the final humiliation of a kangaroo court?
As soon as Nemo showed up to oppose the Temple Construction in Texas, outside his area, this was pretty much expected.
I'd say it was a long time coming anyway.
Same here!
At 16:10 "worthiness of holding the priesthood is innovative, thats not true now" lmao - NONE of it is true now or ever! They make it up as they go! People like NEMO are only showing us the literal BITE map of this CULT-ture. I got out after decades of being a temple mormon!
The letter is dated 2022. Why hold on to that for 2 years?
@@bettycrockett5The letter is dated 2024 not 2022. Give it a closer look.
NO ONE CAN EVER HURT THE CHURCH in the ways and AS PROFOUNDLY AS THE CHURCH. HAS. HURT. THE. CHURCH.
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Somehow that's probably still not loud enough for them to hear it.
No truer words have ever been spoken.
No one can hurt the church as much as Brigham Young has hurt the church.
Wish I could make it more. Was listening to you last night in the LDS discussion playlist. Love you!
No worries! Thank you for your support!
20:44 Pres Nelson repeatedly lying in Conference has negatively affected my faith and testimony more than any other person
The lying and the deception among nearly all of the Q15 is extremely problematic. Dieter F. Uchdorf knows 1st hand how corrupt they are and even got demoted for speaking up and being honest.
Russell M Nelson is Skull and Bones, Owl and Key Bonesman, communist led United Nations lackey! Of course he lied repeatedly. He's a secret combination, anti-Christ! God doesn't work in secret combinations!
@@mormonskeptic6836 quiet braindead.
The church leaders have caused the loss of my testimony. They are so shifty and dishonest. Because I started seeing one of the ptesidents changing a policy and then the next one say that was wrong and change it back, I began to question. They say the prophet speaks to God and things are done through revelation. So the revelation is one thing for one prophet and a different way for another? This caused me to do a deep dive into Mormon history, and it has been all downhill from there!! Nemo, you are great. I appreciate your honesty and candor.
One of the most barbaric things about excommunication is that it happens to people who want to remain in the community, and it’s the community deciding to ostracize the excommunicated. For those of us who leave on our own, there is no discipline or even acknowledgment that we were even there once upon a time, but for those who want to remain, they establish a kangaroo court and let you know that you are not wanted all while telling you that they love you.
In the big scheme of things, there probably isn’t an afterlife so it doesn’t really matter for the salvation of your soul, and it won’t matter to those in the Mormon community, or those on the high council that vote you off the island. The process is designed to hurt you and your family alone. It’s designed to make mothers cry, spouses feel ashamed, and put your children on an entirely different path outside of all the positive values the church claims to provide for families. So much for being a brother’s keeper.
Exactly right
Exactly right. That is the key to understanding how the process is illegitimate. Nothing in the Book of Mormon and Alma's experience painted this process that is done in the church. Nor did the Savior ever toss someone out who, being a sinner, asked his forgiveness. Nor did the Savior use the process to silence those whose views disagreed with him.
@landon4278 sounds like cult lol we decide lol
@@technologistonthego2377 not sin lol 😆
Nemo - with all due respect, what have you got to lose? The church ceased to be a church long ago - if ever it was. This is a multi-billion dollar corporation masquerading as church. Jesus doesn’t dwell in its midst - or in the upper room. My condolences.
Sorry that this is the outcome for you, despite all you have done for the Mormon community. Thank you for everything - you have this exmo's support.
Thanks for your support!
I watched the live but I wanted a comment on here too. Nemo, you have a community behind you and a community that are grateful for the work you do. My heart goes out to you as you go through this.
We ❤ Nemo
I hope you are going to surreptitiously record the disciplinary meeting. Many of my ex Jw brethren were under the same restrictions and still recorded the meeting. The inner workings of these meetings need to be disclosed to the rank and file members! The hypocrisy and unfairness of these proceedings need to be made public! I’m a never mo, but love your work. From Australia.
like most corporations they are very sensitive regarding likes and online, etc. etc. I suspect they have had their eye on you and no doubt they will take note of who comments and who is following you. I suspect that when you revealed that they use an AI bot to answer queries regarding the church, that was the straw that broke the camels back myself I find it appalling that the corrupt leaders of this restored church would stoop to using AI instead of a proper flesh and blood human to speak with if you were to have somebody like Spencer Kimball arrive today he would be appalled alsothat we have stoop levels and they probably wouldn’t even give him a temple. Recommend.
I want you to know I’ve thoroughly appreciated your content, and while I know you feel like you’ve willingly put yourself in harms way to ask for the institution you love and support to deepen in its honesty and integrity, I cannot imagine that’s its been anything less than heartbreaking. I’ve been watching the series on racial equality with Matt Harris on Mormon Stories and one thing that’s struck me is as much as the leadership of the Church try to present this image that they are above influence of external and internal criticism, they are deeply affected by it. While leadership have ousted many in the struggle for things like racial equality or historical transparency, these people ultimately contribute to a driving force that causes the Church to be better. Nemo, I see you as someone asking your institution to hold itself to the standard of integrity it holds its membership. Unfortunately the Church may excommunicate you, and yet I think it will become better as it is forced to reckon with its own lapses in integrity.
Thank you for all that you do, and have done.
Dont sign the NDA.
Nemo makes me wish I had stayed in the church, so I could have strengthened the community and build a foundation of Christlike love. He is an example of strength, integrity and conviction. Excommunicating him will do nothing to tarnish Nemo’s worth and reputation, but will reflect so poorly on the church’s integrity and priorities.
Nah, he's been attempting to deceive people into leaving the church while saying he's still a member. When somebody does something like that at a government level, the punishment is capital punishment, it is considered treason.
I understand he believed the church was false and that we are all deceived sheep, but that is his point of view (which you likely share), not the point of view of many informed members that still are members and do believe and don't go around finding ways to make other members ditch their faith by finding ways to slander the faith he supposedly belongs to.
He should have given up his membership status ages ago and only kept it to see how long it would take for this to happen, only to play the victim when it inevitably did. The church was exaggeratedly patient in this matter. I've seen people excommunicated for much less.
They already CUT their own throat. As a previous temple mormon in Salt Lake City Utah Thousands a year are leaving!
Yes I agree thats why I stay In
@@99blackbirds My Ggma was FLDS my gma was RLDS I became temple status LD$ However, for every reason it all fits the BITE MAP of a CULTture I dont stand for, Im out! Rarely do they excommunicate anymore because thousands a year are leaving.
The level of delusion required to formulate a comment so absurd as this is actually quite incredible. How do you xmos put on your shoes? Surely none of you are gainfully employed, right?
This is so wild. I'm a Christian (non-Mormon, though I have a several Mormon friends), but if my church leaders tried to even imagine something like this, they'd be laughed out of the building by the members. The secrecy, the human authority, the blocking of legal counsel...utterly foreign to my religious perspective and experience.
God alone has authority to accept or reject someone from his family. And the Bible is clear that secrecy is only for lies. The truth NEVER needs to be secret.
It's a cult - Mormonism is a cult
I think it’s safe to assume that Oaks is now running things behind the scenes. It doesn’t surprise me that Nemo would be at the top of his hit list. This is personal for him.
Most definitely.
I can get behind this conspiracy.
Are you suggesting that this is a preview of things to come when Oaks gets "unleashed"?
@@talonfox3956 I had the privilege of seeing Oaks being confronted by a small number of members and I suspect apostates during a Q&A in my small Montana stake. He gave pretty non-memorable noncommittal apologetic answers to the “anti” questions but what I remember the most were 2 things. Number one was the smug smirk on his face anytime he thought he had won against the questioners. He was a lawyer and still is. He likes to fight dirty and will do and say anything to win. The second thing I remember most was the burning seething hatred behind his eyes when the debate did not go his way. You can see it sometimes in the videos about him when his smile slips and his eyes go cold. This is a man that has a deep resentment for anyone who dares to oppose him. Buckle your seatbelts because you can bet that this guy is going to double down.
@@talonfox3956 I had the privilege of seeing Oaks being confronted by a small number of members and I suspect apostates during a Q&A in my small Montana stake. He gave pretty non-memorable noncommittal apologetic answers to the “anti” questions but what I remember the most were 2 things. Number one was the smug smirk on his face anytime he thought he had won against the questioners. He was a lawyer and still is. He likes to fight dirty and will do and say anything to win. The second thing I remember most was the burning seething hatred behind his eyes when the debate did not go his way. You can see it sometimes in the videos about him when his smile slips and his eyes go cold. This is a man that has a deep resentment for anyone who dares to oppose him. Buckle your seatbelts because you can bet that this guy is going to double down.
I have two theories for why now:
1) Nemo showed video of a real horse.
2) Oaks is pushing this somehow because he'll be the next prophet and we can't have Nemo as a member saying things about him on a BBC podcast.
They might have secured a regular BBC guest commentator.
Electroshock Oaks? What could he have to hide?
@@robertb6889 what do you find surprising about shock therapy? The US Government still approves of it this day in the Judge Rotenberg Centre, shocking children with developmental disabilities.
That's why the ASAN run a campaign called #stoptheshock
Exactly and I was about to comment this.
Oak is the one who believes his lies the most of all the Mormon apostles
My heart goes out to you, Nemo. I've been watching much of your content since the beginning. I am a multi-generational member in the US, in later life. I quietly stopped participating ten years ago or so having done all the things--mission, temple marriage, kids, and many years of full participation. I have not had to wrestle with the removal of my name from the rolls so far. But it's something that, as grave as it may feel (it does feel grave to me, even now), is out of our hands. You have consistently met your burden of truth and fairness, of giving the benefit of the doubt, of reserving judgement, of not impugning the motives or character of your leaders, and only assuming the best intentions on their behalf. You have clearly sought the truth, regardless of outcome. I suspect all of that has rightly delayed the onset of disciplinary action. But I have to say I thought it inevitable from the start, as I expect many others did, too.
Many people feel like they have sought the truth. But if one rises high enough in the church--Stake Pres/Miss Pres level--one's loyalty to the chain of command will be tested against the principles taught in the beatitudes and commandments, and any effort to suss out truth. That loyalty (fealty, really) is the gate through which all high leaders must pass to continue to rise, to be "chosen" rather than just "called." It is not integrity or adherence to Jesus' word that makes them "worthy" although those ideas hold secondary importance--and I still believe there are many outstanding individuals in stake and even global leadership callings who "know" but find ways to make peace with knowing differently than those like me who exit. But sadly I think the outcome of these more visible "courts of love" is often used as this loyalty test--again, loyalty to the Brethren, not to Jesus or his teachings. These leaders are under tremendous pressure and face a very real risk of shame, losing social status and even personal identity in these roles, should they step out of line. But they are agents, and must choose and be accountable just like you and me. Jimi Hendrix wrote, “I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life the way I want to.” I would change "the way I want to." to "according to my conscience." or some such. But you get the gist. If God is real, if Mormonism is even in the neighborhood of the truth, I believe he will judge us on our faithfulness to correct principles, not our loyalty to men, no matter what status they hold in the church. And we can bet that those guys will be scarce when our time comes. So keep moving forward no matter their puny efforts to stop you and tear you down. Wishing you peace with whatever the outcome may be.
Beautiful wisdom!
The Law, whether Jewish, Roman ,English or so called Gods law , LDS priesthood law or any other law does not know or even care what the whole truth is but just wants to arrive at a outcome. It wants to keep excersising its authority and keep evolving.
The charge of Apostacy is complicated but the court will show its evidence and your Jury is the 12 men sitting in the court 12 stake high priests. 6 for you 6 against you and you wont know who is who? They will draw lots to establish who does what! Also the SP and his 2 councillors. You will be honest as you are honest. You will tell your truth of things your perception. You will feel upset and will greet and cry and will feel what you reconise as the Spirt of God. You may also feel a degree of self rightousness or some anger at times . They will accuse you of not been humble or humble enough!
You will feel relief when they excommumicate you by their Vote.
But your feelings will be mixed for a long time until you have Grieved.!
We make our own beds and then we lie in it.
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Nemo.....as I'm listening to this now..... YOU REALLY NEED TO DEMAND, IN WRITING, THE EVIDENCE/ISSUES THAT THEY SPECIFICALLY PLAN TO CONFRONT YOU WITH. You have a right to PREPARE A DEFENSE!!!!!
This channel is a collection of priestcraft and rebellion. Maybe start the list there. If Nemo is unhappy with how Christ runs His church, through servants He has chosen, then Christ is giving him an opportunity to hear a call for repentance from one of his angels, as was given to Laman, Lemuel, Alma the Younger, Saul, king Noah, Zeezrom, Sherem, Korihor, Nehor and others. The angel is his stake president, but the one who sent the angel is Christ. Call it an act of mercy, call it a wake-up call, what it now becomes depends on whether Nemo wants to keep feeding the mob, or wake up to his own awful state and turn back to the Lord. Not the church. Not the leaders. Jesus Christ. You can't attack church policy without attacking the leaders. You can't attack those called to serve by revelation without attacking Christ who extended those callings. You can't attack Christ without attacking the Father who sent Him. So in this test of fidelity, Nemo is found wanting, and no doubt this formal action is not the first time he has been spoken to. God is longsuffering and patient, but ultimately He won't be mocked by one who has received so many blessings and made sacred covenants with Him, which he is now blatantly acting out against. Nemo has been saying for ages how wrong he thinks this and that is. So let nobody be surprised that the King of the kingdom could show him door. In his heart of hearts, Nemo knows the reasons all too well.
Dude, his entire channel is dedicated to saying the leadership of the church is wrong and evil. Just run some clips.
Kris, notice that in the letter he received, it clearly stated NO ATTORNEYS MAY BE PRESENT (REPRESENTING THE DEFENDANT/ MEMBER).
@@scamzone4941 Yes. And???
Scientology operates upon similar practices when they are challenged.
Imagine if government prosecutors were given all the evidence to be presented by the defense at trial but the defense was not entitled to any of the state’s evidence until the day of trial. Church disciplinary councils make a mockery of anything resembling a fair judicial process. Secret, not public, trials by ambush. There is no due process where the church engages in trial by ambush. Best of luck Nemo!
I totally agree, this is a kangaroo court making a mockery of religion and justice.
I am proud of Nemo and consider him a Moses of this generation.
Much love and support to you Nemo. You are valiant and a truth seeker. You are level headed and of a much higher moral caliber than most. Many, many people agree with your thoughts and efforts to encourage integrity in the leadership. ❤
And that’s it’s actually what the New York court did to Trump but people think he got a fair trial and justly convicted smh clowns and npc’s in this country
@@BrianWaller-qe7gr None of this is factual -- nor relevant to Nemo's circumstances.
Trump's team was provided with TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY-FIVE _THOUSAND_ documents -- the majority of which were initially supplied by Trump himself, and were therefore in his possession before proceedings even began. And that's to say nothing of the fact that all defendants knew all the charges against them as of Sept. 21, 2022 -- more than a YEAR before the summary judgement was issued.
To add injury to insult, it was actually TRUMP HIMSELF who failed to turn over communications in accordance with the discovery process (see: April 25th letter from OAG to Engoron). Trump even had to pay a $110k fine for failing to comply with a subpoena. But pErSeCuTiOn, ammirite?!
Nemo is the victim of a church that obfuscates rather than face its own problems.
Trump is the victim of his own actions.
I got REALLY bad vibes from Dallin H. Oakes over 4 years ago!! He is the catalyst for me pursuing to remove my records from the LDS church which I successfully did in 2021
And with Bednar right behind him. Eek!
Wicked looking
😂😢D. Hoax Oakes
No surprise really... I mean, none of us agree with the church, and speaking out makes the church edgy, so, you now get to keep improving! Yer a good egg....
@@ZodiacalesotericmatrixBednar gives me the creeps. My spiritual discernment tells me to avoid him at all costs.
What has taken me from the church is: I first began questioning the church because of Elder Ballard and his involvement with Tim Ballard, then the church’s attempting to backpedal and cover it up. I wasn’t even aware of your channel until I was well into the rabbit holes. I was shocked as I discovered item after item that made me sick to my stomach about the church. I am sorry this is happening to you, I really enjoy your channel and it has helped me through this very difficult time.
@@Mangowaves-tx6ro do you believe Joseph and ro c ks in hat?
Thank You for being here. It can't be easy going through a crisis of belief in Mormonism, just know you have a lot of support in the exmormon community, maybe even more support than in the pro LDS community.
I’m sad for the pain your deconstruction caused you. Glad that you found Nemo and the rest of us who understand from our experience what you had to go through. Now it’s our turn to support Nemo.
I learned while living in Utah to focus on my ward family and not slc -- it helps! I love my ward family and Sundays and the fellowship 🌷 it reminds me of politics -- ignore the heads of state -- focus on community. I believe Jesus taught this.
@@karieberry1070 sounds like straight up cult sis
My only surprise is that it has taken so long for them to go after you.
Hence the “why now?” comments.
Oaks has finally taken over.
The Lord is patient and longsuffering. Now Nemo has reached a point where the Lord wants to save him from himself and from the bray of the mob he's built around himself, which only eggs him on, further away from Christ. There are plenty of people in ward and stake and even Area callings who are asses. But the First Presidency and the Twelve are not among them. And neither is Christ, who has sanctioned this step. No doubt the mob will want their pound of flesh, their cup of blood, and demand Nemo share every detail of what should be a very private and soul-searching 'time out'. I doubt anyone can reach the clarity they need to see, or the stillness they need to heal, with such a din. I hope Nemo takes it seriously, and not as a tabloid opportunity. How he chooses to handle it will say much about his depth of character.
@@Zodiacalesotericmatrix I actually think you're correct
@MrBillmechanic wait are they actually considering changing the name of church ? I know about the rebrand and move away from the term Mormon / LDS but I haven't heard of a name change
You’re one heck of a warrior, Nemo! I hope you see the hundreds of comments here as a group that’s got your back.
Thank you very much for your words and support!
Nemo, You are who you were meant to be. Ultimately this life is a walk with the Divine, and your path will take you where you are meant to be. This weekend I was feeling the weight of my own spiritual journey. As sorry as I am for what you are going through, I find inspiration in your story. There may always be those who shut out those who think and believe differently, but Christ opens the door. You see the unseen, and that makes you a hero in my book. Wishing you well from afar :)
As Jane said, "you are perfect the way you are". Nemo, you deserve so much better than this.
BAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Behold the xmo cult!
The church’s loss! Before long, all that will be left in the church are people who can overlook their leaders who say,”do as I say, not as I do”.
The mind manipulated botts of LD$ act like computed A.I answering machines. Some of us are divergent ! lol
How long have people been saying that and been wrong? 50 years?
My church leaders had the greatest negative impact on my faith and church activity-prophets, apostles, a member of my branch presidency at the MTC, various local leaders including bishops and a stake president, my mission president, my ex husband, and my father.
Speaking to causing me to leave the church...heard of Nemo after I had left. Would watch his podcasts and think boy I admire his faith and love of the church. It made me think he loves the church enough to stay and try for change from within.❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
I’m so sorry that the Church has finally started their retribution. I truly respect your stand for your beliefs and the risks you have taken. Few people would fight for their spiritual beliefs against such resistance you knew would just be a matter of time. Please keep up your spirits and energy to continue your mission as so much more must be accomplished!
I've participated in multiple disciplinary councils. In ZERO cases were the outcomes in favour of the accused. The determination of the council was ALWAYS an inevitable and foregone conclusion. This is not a trial! There is no due process. Laws of evidence and assumptions of innocence are not factors. It's a sentencing hearing! I've also sat in many of those councils where now a substantial number of the council are themselves disaffected from the church. I've never witnessed such bored and awkward groups of 16 men before or since. It's a complete waste of everyone's time. I hope they all have to give up something important to attend.
Thank you for that first-hand perspective. I think most of us strongly suspect this to be the case, and your experience serves to confirm these suspicions. However, if I were Nemo, I would be anxious to hear the nonsense they come up with, and want to look them in the eye as they spew it.
Yeah. Nemo is already excommunicated.
@@woodystube1000 I can throw my hat in the ring having sat on over 20 councils. This is not the case. Someone's first hand perspective isn't the only perspective.
@@Kerry-f3c ok… let’s hear it then. What is your experience?
Incorrect. I've been the Clerk at two of these hearings and both were dismissed without any action against the member. I guarantee the authorities present do their best to apply the forgiveness of Christ.
However, if a member is argumentative or unwilling to "cease and desist", the outcome could be different.
My testimony was weakened most by President Nelson's comments regarding the Arizona child abuse case. When He celebrated the Church getting away with not reporting heinous sexual child abuse I lost all respect for President Nelson, and all belief that He could be called as God's current prophet. In contrast, Nemo's faithful efforts to remain within the Church despite his own faith crisis and concerns with various issues in the Church has helped me to not leave in my own faith crisis. Perhaps the Church's actions to excommunicate Nemo just shows me the Church has no room for me either. I had actually written a letter of resignation, but didn't send it after I discovered Nemo's channel. Watching Nemo and seeing how he remained in the Church encouraged me to try to remain as well. I don't see how excommunication is loving, compassionate or Christ-like.
It was immediately after the Border Patrol officer's case hit the press that my better half came to me in tears and said she didn't want me paying tithing anymore. I was happy to say I was already on it.
The Arizona case is why I finally took the plunge and had my records removed
Tal vez con Gordon B Hinckley no había tantas redes y alcance como ahora, pero El y Thomas S Monson - un discípulo de Cristo - no abusaron de la propaganda como El Querido Lider Nelson, uso el titulo que se le dan a los Kim en Norcorea por tanta propaganda y sobreexposición, las fotos apropiadas, las frases apropiadas
Nelson is a member of Skull and Bones
Brilliant!
Just keep swimming Nemo! ❤
My heart breaks watching the emotion on Nemo during this. Thankyou so much for all the work you have done and I am sure will continue to do. You are an amazing person who speaks the truth, and is of the greatest character. I hope you can ride out the emotional journey and come through the other side with continued vigour to do the important work you do. You inspire me, and I am sure you inspire many others to keep going, and I hope you feel that reflected back in an overwhelming show of support.
I am preparing to leave the church…and this decision has brought me a lot of relief. I will mention Nemo in my resignation letter in support.
What caused me to question my faith in the church was when I realised my faith was even in the church, instead of in Christ exclusively.
@Governmentasfiction.
Now you're talking. 🌹
I’m glad you held on to Christ despite what the LDS church has done.
Sounds like a you problem. First principle of the gospel is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Sounds like you got caught in the weeds.
@@phillipcook3430 As so many become. :)
I don’t in any way believe that they’re prohibiting electronic recording because the meeting is sacred, it’s purely a matter of preventing negative publicity.
It is supposed to be private. The individual can talk about it but leaders are supposed to keep it private as not to create gossip or damage to the character of the individual.
@@rodeoron451 sacred equals the scam
I bet the church actually secretly records it. I guarantee in the US they would. It's just something cults do. Even if they can never make it public without huge legal consequences, they'd do it. Research purposes, keeping a dossier of sorts. They definitely want to remember every name you mention.
@@Grey-x2c
They most likely didn’t allow him because the presidency and council are aware Douglas does this for a living, they know what Jeremy Runnels did with his recording and others who recorded theirs. WARD RADIO warned them Douglas would share personal information about others without their consent publicly as it’s his living.
@@danielmoore4024 nope
Chin up, Nemo. Your podcast has enlightened so many, including me. I've learned so much from you and I hope to continue to learn more. You are not alone, and you are so loved.
💯 agree. Sending all the love to you and your family Nemo. Big hug from across the pond ❤
Best wishes to you Nemo…. Don’t let someone else define you… You decide what you call yourself….Nemo the ------ (You decide)
I’m sorry Nemo. This makes me really sad that they are doing this. I really appreciate you.
❤ 69 yr old granny here. Convert 40+ years. Nemo, you are a courageous spirit, with a brilliant intellect. Joseph Freekin SMITH trashed my testimony! Your determination to stay in the church, and promote positive truthful discussions inspired me to resist sending in my resignation papers.
My heart hurts for you. You are loved by the TRUE God of heaven.
I’m sad to hear that-- haven’t you heard that Joseph was NEVER a polygamist - read Joseph Smith Revealed-- he was innocent of the wolves around him accusations -- it should give you a clue that Wikipedia bashes Joseph smith but Russell M Nelson’s Wikipedia page makes him glow -- all run by the NWO - look also up the Restoration archives -- the Remnant saints are alive and well -- and love the Church of the lamb of God
May the Holy Spirit testify to you the Truth. I pray you find Discernment. God Bless you in the Sacred name of Jesus Christ 🙏
Brigham Young trashed the church and had a hand in Joseph’s murder, Joseph smith was a monogamous man and a true follower of Christ
The SEC fine was what caused me to leave. The church itself did it. I had never heard of Nemo until I was out. The church needs to stop blame shifting.
Are you going to leave your family or friendships because of a legal fine? A fine itself does not constitute something is true or not true. Your favorite corporation likely has at least a 100 open lawsuits against it if it operates in the US…
First, I haven't left any friends or family. Second, you say corporations have open lawsuits. Corporations don't claim to be gods one true church. Well, I guess one corporation does.
Get as much media as you can on it. We need to expose these people.
Nemo, you are doing everything you can to hold the Church and its leaders accountable. It is a commendable way to spend your energy and your days; we should be so lucky as to have many more like you out there holding leaders accountable because nothing will change as long as people allow it. Hold on and hold firm. They are coming after you which means you are doing something RIGHT. Chin up, chap.
You're a great guy Nemo. I'm so sorry you're having to deal with the church's extremely thin skin. Good luck brother.
Thin skin isn’t what it is. NEMO deserves removal from church records. He would get fired or divorced from any job or family talking the way he does about the church for which he is a member.
Honestly makes me laugh. He will look back in a year or two when his church derangement and criticism has settled and see how ridiculous he is being.
He's been putting a mirror in front of the leadership of the church. Anyone not willing to question fallible man is ridiculous. He's been doing good work and has helped this member of the church feel sane. I've been able to continue as an active member of the Church because of people like Nemo. @phillipcook3430
I have appreciated all the work Nemo has done. He has opened my eyes as to ask more questions. He has done nothing to take me away from the church. The absolute only person who has taken me away from the church is Nelson himself. God luv yuh, Nemo. With you all the way.
Yeah, Nelson is Skull and Bones Owl and Key Bonesman anti-Christ, communist led United Nations. He too is the reason why I don't believe in that Brighamite church either. God doesn't work in secret combinations! And the mark of the beast, mRNA gene Technologies, is not safe and effective.
Nemo had nothing to do with me leaving the cult. Hidden sexual abuse and church attorneys being called instead of the police was the final break.
All 3 of my girls were abused by a first counselor in the bishopric. I was blamed by 2 stake presidents and 2 bishops. Said i was a scorn woman and made up things about this man. This was after I spoke to the police. He was put on the pedophile list for our city. Here in Utah. He was never disciplined. But I was and lost my temple recommend. A widow since I was 30. Raised 5 kids. And this happened.
Are u in the US?
@@distractioneer8425 I am so sosrry.
I am in the USA
@@JaredSJones82 Yes
When high-demand organizations run out of steam, some members stay to try to make them better, some hit the exits (like me), and some seek more intense versions of the cult. Flowers to you, Nemo, for trying to help a sick organization wake up and transition to something less toxic.
Wake up to like politics?
What’s your new cult?
Oaks is getting his dirty work done while Rusty is still technically alive.
Do not sign the confidentially agreement!
I am very sorry you are hurting, Nemo, and I am so happy the Britvengers are there to support you and help you process this news! Everyone deserves friends like each of you! ♥
Nemo is such a nicer person than I will ever be.
We all know that the lawyers run the church. The straw that broke the camels back was when Nemo faced off with them at the town council meeting for the Texas temple controversy. His presentation was so intelligent and exposed the church’s rediculous arguments. They clearly didn’t take that well….to be taken to task by one of their own members with so much influence in a public forum, not a court room
Btw, this would be called a kangaroo court in the US…a legitimate trial requires that the person know their charges and the evidence against him well before.. Time to prepare a defence with an arbitrator, witnesses etc. And of course it is recorded and transcripted word for word. The LDS CHURCH IS AN EMBARASSING DISGRACE!
It's a church, not a country. His entire channel is dedicated to opposing the leadership of the church. Why he's stayed in is anyones guess. But lets not pretend this is a nation running a jury trial. It's an voluntary organisation with membership requirements. If someone doesn't want to meet those requirements they are free to leave, as is the church free to remove their name from its membership record. The same as any other association, church, union, or group out there.
@@brentd273 I don’t disagree with your point. The church should therefore just oust whoever they want with a simple notification. Enough with all the high drama, pretending the person has a say when it’s already decided. And setting it up as if it is actually based loosely on some kind of real justice system.
I hope Nemo will just be done with it.
Holland and Oaks are who weakened my faith the most :P Nemo just helped me process things after my faith was already gone.
Same here
The baseball baptism revelations is where my loss of belief in the church began. I was clued into this before my mission by my boss at work and then after I came back Mormon Stories covered this and I read about it there. When it comes to losing belief in the church it is inevitable that one revelation of falsehood leads to another. It is a snowball rolling down a hill that gathers mass as it rolls.
Nemo, your kindness at Thrive in the states was instrumental in helping me and my hubby have a much more successful understanding of where we are at with all things church related. Thank you so very much for just being YOU!
I'm sorry that getting booted out is so upsetting to you. I booted them out first, but I was a lowly widow of little means, so it didn't make a dent. You, on the other hand, have a voice with a capital Vee! Thank you for all you bring, please don't go away. I left in November 2015 and I was nearly 70 years old. Didn't know you, hadn't seen the CES letter. In South Africa 🇿🇦 💜 I didn't know I wasn't allowed to read certain books and see what Sunstone was doing. I think you appeal to the more thinking, reflective types of folk. I hope the Britvengers continue to do what is right, let the consequences etc..... Thank you - all of you - for bringing us the non-American POV, and for shining a light in dark corners. 🐠👋
What a lovely message, all joy to you in your freedom from LDS control and I imagine Nemo will be very touched that his work and efforts have been appreciated by you ❤❤
They have one hell of a nerve asking you to sign a non disclosure. That lets them off the hook for the unfairness that presents. Don’t do it!
Why do we give that church so much power over us? If the church truly cares for its members, they would try all they can to keep them and save their souls!
Nemo, I’ve watched your content for a while now, and my heart is breaking for you. Thank you for your courage, responsibility and sensitivity to those who are members of the church and those who have left. It takes a man of integrity and good character to bring to light the truths of a faith you and so many love. I hope you continue the incredible work you’re doing. You have so many who stand beside you. Sending love from the US. ❤
The evidence of the "faith you and so many love" is nowhere to be seen. Unfortunately his "love" has been directed at said faith with hostility, fun poking and mischief. Such demonstrations of "love" are pretty far removed.
Nemo you are a good person doing good things. You have been a huge help to me. My heart is with you and your family ❤
Have you alerted the media yet? The platforms that hosted you might be interested to hear that this happened shortly after they aired your story
He may not want to before the disciplinary council as that could be seen negatively by his stake president. However, I think the rest of us can certainly try to inform them.
@@katie17330 THIS
Oh snap! Lol.
I bet it’s for calling o their lies bordering on perjury in McKinney, Texas publicly.
The lawyers should be disbarred and the church fined for claiming steeple height was essential to religious worship.
What law did they break?
@@phillipcook3430 perjury. Claiming in legal declarations that steeple height is an essential part of their religion and necessary for a temple.
Anyone with any understanding of Mormon temples and theology knows that's an outright lie and misrepresentation, and you can't lie in legal filings. It's both a crime and an ethical breach for the lawyers that should get them disciplined by the bar.
It was the words of Joseph Smith’s wives, their letters and journals, that destroyed my testimony of the truthfulness of this church. It was the words of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young that destroyed my testimony. It was Holland’s musket fire talk, when my gay son had just recently come out to me, that shattered my testimony that these men represented Jesus Christ or that Jesus leads this organization. I did not listen to one single ex-Mormon podcast until I had completely lost my faith after carefully reading well documented history and the words of our leaders. The words and behaviors of our leaders singlehandedly destroyed my faith. This was all before I knew Nemo the Mormon or Mormon Stories existed.
You sound so awesome!
It’s ok Nemo. I left the church 9 years ago. Takes a lot of tears and reflecting to get through it. It’s easy to look back on and how much my life has improved since finding out the church isn’t anything other than a business and mainstream cult… Family and familiarity keeps you wanting to stay no matter the facts you learn but sweet relief of letting go will come with time. Continue the good work and make videos revealing the church for what it truly is and educating the public. Godspeed my friend.
As someone who went through a disciplinary council that was improperly held by a bishop, and not by the stake council nearly 25 years ago, then left the church just over 20 years ago, I'm sad to see them still following nearly the identical procedures. Nothing has changed. I'm sorry you're going through this experience. I understand you love this church and it means so much to you, so this has to feel absolutely awful. I hope for the best for you.
There are two different councils, a bishop led one and a stake pres led one. Only the stake pres led one can Ex you.
Ruth is exactly right about Oaks....he didn't like you calling him out
Condolences, Nemo. Rooting for you as ever.
Don’t have intelligence of your own. Blind strict obedience is what they demand. They can’t argue on the merits that you have constantly put in front of them.
I want the best for you Nemo, always.
If and when D. oaks take over it will be down the drain for sure.
It is completely their loss. Please don’t stop thinking and reporting on the truth
Hi Nemo, first thank you for constantly giving us the true information about the Mormon church. I truly appreciate it.
Second, this is definitely just me, but I wish I had such an influence like you, so much influence that the church had to "discipline" you. If I were you, I would only respond to the letter with this short sentence: "Take my name off your record, or do whatever you want." I can't care less what they'll do, I'll simply keep speaking the truth.
Thanks, Nemo.
🎯 yes!! That’s a good angle. You clearly have big influence. Accept it!
@@Burningheartcelosia Agreed. Nemo, no need to be upset, just use your big influence to bring facts and truth to more people.
Asking someone to overlook mistakes because they've done all this good stuff is such a ridiculous notion. Would you say the same thing to someone who has been faithful to their partner for 10 years but then cheated on them? "But they were faithful to you for 9 years so just focus on that".
You’re an amazing human, Nemo. Thank you for your bravery and willingness to share TRUTH with so many people.
52:29 Nemo I'm an American inactive Mormon who lives in England, I absolutely would come to support you. 10 AM or anytime. Thank you for your integrity and courage, you are a beacon for all truth seekers out there.
The person who most affected my testimony and weakened me to the point of removing my name is the SEC, the November 15th announcement, the excommunication of anyone who asks questions, the lies lies lies about the history. Nemo had nothing to do with it.
Dearest Nemo, my heart is breaking for you
I’ve been in the church for a year. Not really a convert but wanted to explore the church in the hope I’d be unequivocally convinced it was true and I was the crazy one for questioning it. But, really….????? This is insane. How is Christ any part of this?????
As per the Bible, Jesus Christ invited everyone and anyone... including his apostles! He loved, especially those who were the poor, the sick, misunderstood, etc. discipline actions by the church sounds more like the laws and controls of men and not the love of Christ!
Have you read the Old and New Testaments? Pretty harsh punishments for breakers of commandments. This is pretty light if you compare the two.
The "oh we don't want it to be dark and gloomy" line, as to why it's in the daytime hours, does make me think of the headline, "Mormon church expels dissident in secretive council under cover of darkness!"
Nemo, I am so sorry that the Church is doing this.
Tell them you will attend when the 1st presidency is held to council on ensign peak “honest business dealings”
@ryanbb. 🔥🔥🔥
Nemo - they are ticked about the McKinney Temple and the things you said. That is recent, it was powerful and it highlighted the hypocrisy and corruption. This would be my best guess.
I’d say that and maybe just the number of social media followers
Nope. This happened when he started going on outlets claiming to be a member of the church and speaking on behalf of the church. The church will get its spire. Nemo did nothing to stop that. Just watch, sweethearts.
I assumed this day would come and always wondered why you felt it never would. The tone of the LDS church in Britain may be much more inclusive and lent you security. Very different from the highly critical organisation I have known in Western America. Your content is wonderful and I so hope you will continue to speak out despite whatever feeble slings and arrows the church tries to lob at you. The NDA is a sign of their vulnerability and your fortitude, never the reverse.
Agreed
36:50 SP IS LYING. Someone told him to DO THIS. PERIOD
I am so sorry Nemo! You are in great company. This is what they do to get to members!
The leaders at the top have weakened my faith.
If they can deceive one out of a hundred people, it's worth it to them. That's 80 million members worldwide if they have 1% of the world population.
Being relatively unfamiliar with the excommunication process, this is a learning experience and I sincerely thank you for sharing it. Being very familiar with the criminal justice system in the US, I can confidently extrapolate that this meeting is just a formality. It is quite clear all decisions have already been set, and this “trial” is just going through the motions and collecting information from your responses. It is clear that nothing you do at this point could affect the outcome. This is not justice, or even an inquiry. This is a condemnation and summary judgement by man.
Nemo, my bro, you're being released from a big lie. Don't fret, bro. Onward and upward. I send you hugs from the USA.
Yep, in time he will see what a blessing it is
That’s if he believes in blessings instead of just luck after this.
One of my favorite church history stories is Joseph Fielding Smith hiding the account of 1st vision. Toddler hiding poopy diaper. The beat goes on....❤go Nemo!!!!
Its the church itself that lead me away from it.
Your pain touches me tenderly because of the value you place on church membership. The Church has been my extended family for 80 years, and I recognize the bonding. The work of John Dehlin has helped me understand that as my eyes open and my beliefs change, I do not have to lose that bond. (I let sleeping dogs lie = not rock the boat.) I have told my ward that I am here because this is where we help each other. That goes on regardless of belief. We cannot correct the Church, but we can show people how to trust themselves even when they are told lies. In the end, your testimony of YOURSELF is determinative. The Church has no power over that. The Church can suppress your privileges in mortality, but it can never corrupt your INDEPENDENT ETERNAL identity.
The value he has placed on his church membership? Have you watched his videos?
@@Kerry-f3c All of them come from an insider perspective which he does not discard. I do wonder whether he would still attend quorum meetings if he perceived everyone there as trying to change him. Thus far I believe him that he attends for the positive reinforcement that he receives. If that goes away, he will rethink his preferences. Thank you for inviting clarification.
@@KentVBusse thank you. I agree it is from an insider, but an insider who seems to believe that everything about the church he belongs to is negative, detrimental to members and shameful in its practices. The dichotomy is either astonishing or fake.
@@Kerry-f3c Yes, that is the content of the video. The subject of the discussion is the points of friction. I submit that there is a much larger body of agreement that is not mentioned because it does not fit the current subject. It is that invisible, reading-between-the-lines substance that would reveal why Nemo has spent any time at all on these discussions. He has many more years and experiences that he enjoyed; they motivate him to reduce the pain points which dominate the visible discussion. Sometimes a wife says "if I didn't love you, I would not care enough to complain."
This is hard, Nemo. I'm sorry about the letter. Since we all have a pretty good idea of the outcome of the disciplinary council, have you considered disempowering your Stake President and the Church by resigning your membership instead of participating in the excommunication process? Regardless of how you proceed, please know many of us love and support you. This action reflects poorly on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, not you, Nemo.
Nemo, please for all of us try and record your council meeting. Either audio or both audio and video. We need more transparency in these pharisaical meetings
Like Dr Phil says, those with nothing to hide, hide nothing, so why is the church so afraid of Nemo and his channel?
I was disfellowshipped as one of Jehovah's witnesses; my crime was Apostasy.
I, too, had to appear before a committee of three Elders. My appeal before another committee of three Elder; had a forgone conclusion: persona non grata.
If a religion avoids defending their faith and tries to silence those who question their ideas and motives then they really do meet the criteria of a cult. One supreme leader who can't be questioned pretty much buttons it up. I am sorry for all the believing LDS members.
"Excommunication is the highest ordinance that the Church offers." -- Paul Toscano
Ouch!
Bless Paul Toscano ❤
And don’t forget about Margaret.
Newsflash: Cults do not tolerate dissent, even if it’s true 💡
In 1998, I received a letter from my stake president informing me that a church disciplinary council would be held to discuss charges of "conduct unbecoming a member of the church" against me. The "charges" were that I had told some of my fellow ward members about some of the troubling historical issues I had been recently learning about.
Funny thing, though: I had already sent in a letter of resignation from the church 2.5 months earlier. So my response to the SP's letter was to call the church's membership department and complain. The guy I spoke to straightened out the SP in a hurry.
You were an OG. 🎉
@@lifeaccordingtotheo9643 Old grouch? :-)
So let me do some basic math Randy. That was 26 years ago you left the church and you’re still on here trolling the comments about the church. When exactly are you gonna move on with your life?
@@Coastal1931 I'll move on when the LDS church stops lying about its history. Fair enough?
@@randyjordan5521Everything you know about the church was provided by the church. The church let the Tanners in the history archives even though the Tanner’s were clearly setting up a cottage industry attacking the church.
21 minutes in, and I have to say that over the past two years or so, my testimony has been strengthened by Nemo… it has been really strengthened to know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the lds church of today
is in no way ran or directed by God, and that it is my testimony that the leaders of the church are an abomination to the teaching of Jesus Christ, and are in apostasy themselves…
Oliver Cowdrey and Sydney Rigdon said the exact same thing before they left . The church had 10,000 members then. Exact same poor reasons for leaving, 180 years later.
@nieldcreek2098.
X 200 Billion
invited to defend yourself? A confidentiality agreement? Are you going to sign? If yes - you'll go, they'll tell you to take down your videos, you won't. You will be sent a letter telling you that you are being excommunicated. If you don't sign it, you won't be allowed to attend and you will be sent a letter telling you that you are being excommunicated. They don't do Bishops court anymore. It's do as you are told or you're ex-ed. (You'll feel bad but then you will feel FREE!!!!
@@user-ql2id3ml3i as much as they say, they go in with an open mind, they have decided to outcome before the meeting. If you repent and take down the channel, they probably won’t ex-communicate you but if you don’t then they will. Same with Jws. Tho mostly, the outcome is usually shunning. If you ask for a 2nd committee to review, it is always disfellowshipping/shunning!
The absence of hearing wise counsel from a loving father doesn't mean the path one walks is somehow correct, only that you are too far away from the father to hear his voice anymore. That's a false freedom. Eventually we all have an account to settle.
@@nicread2102 church policy is what it is and has nothing to do with God.