Next up: the much requested LENGTHENED PARTIAL video! Book 1: SWEAT (beginners/intermediates) www.verityfit.com/product-page/sweat Book 2: Ring Training For Hypertrophy (ring enthusiasts) www.verityfit.com/product-page/ring-training-for-hypertrophy Book 3: Resurrecting Your Gains (intermediates/advanced lifters) www.verityfit.com/product-page/resurrecting-your-gains-finding-your-muscle-growth-formula Can check the site for full Tables Of Contents of each book. Appreciate the support!
This guy is small af. I laughed so much when I was watching debate and he started by "I'm bigger than you". I read somewhere a comment that he is attacking? Nh from time to time and if that is true - guy is delusional af
I like basements tier lists a good bit, I think he adds enough useful information to make up for potentially being harsh (and I think that level of harsh is perfectly justified when someone is representing their opinion as reflective of science as a whole, thats gonna open you up to a higher scrutiny. Especially if you are using "does it feel good" as one of your core metrics). Also love talon fitness lol
Yeah maybe a little harsh, but overall I think his tier lists are solid and have a positive impact on lifters. I’ve noticed in recent years nobody really questions Jeff, whether it’s his followers or other creators. He has a solid reputation for good reason, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be wrong. I’ve also noticed the people that actually do critique him, generally have no critiques outside of “he’s a science nerd” etc, which is a bit of a lackluster argument lol. There are quite a few instances in his tier lists where his own criteria and his rankings just don’t line up at all, and I think that’s worth pointing out. Particularly making the stretch a huge point of emphasis in the criteria, but misusing it in the actual ranking, plus some resistance profile confusion on top of that. I do completely understand not being able to cover everything for each lift in one video though, especially if he’s trying to keep it a little more compact, so can’t fault him on that. And personally, I like to approach my channel with an emphasis on the “why” not just the “what”. You can tell people what to do, but if someone actually wants to understand it, that won’t be enough. That’s the biggest problem in the fitness industry imo. But of course that’s hard to do in a
Yea that's fair, I do think you added a lot hence the highly sought after A tier tier list tier list ranking. Can tell your grandkids about it one day!
Needs to relate to some manga, Nietsche, or existentialism in some way. Preferably with B roll of his family's French countryside property and zoomed in goon light shots of him flexing his chest.
I saw GVS recently comment on a podcast that Eric Helms was a part of. I recently discovered Helms and he’s full of golden nuggets of knowledge. His pyramid explanation from like 10 years ago is worth the watch
Weirdly overnitpicky in some areas and then completely dismissive in others. If it's not "evidence based" he will always point it out. Even if you say "DOMS or pump MIGHT be a good indicator alongside other factors" he will still go on a minute long rampage and his conclusion is literally the same. Plus Greg Doucette and NH in the same tier? Has he watched any of their videos? You can't even find informative videos on Greg's page nowadays
@@Sonic_1000 He can be overly confident of his methods at times, but imo he's on par with GVS. Ironaically the 4chan crowd is one of his greatest enemies, but I can see why he feels like one of those early underground fitness youtubers
Imo Talon should be A tier at least. It doesn't have the spice, but it sure as hell has the macros for the coveted hypertrophy. Again, it's just my opinion and comment. Great tier list man, it's nice with a change in YT fitness.
Nah, is info is a bit generic and on the google search tier. I love me some tier lists but he doesn't really put much of a value add on it. I think GVS nailed his rating.
Denali Gordon's entire thing is being a parody of Maria Ross. In pretty much every short he is throwing shade at her or her sister Martina for their obsession with Leon Edwards and "functional exercises".
I check out his tier lists at least once a month I sprained my wrist quite recently, so I had to go down to exercises as low as C tier to review what I can do, pretty useful
Came from the japanese school grading system where 秀逸 (shuuitsu) which stands for excellent. As tierlists were originally used for japanese fighting games, this just stuck arounf
@@LUKA_911 To add on, S tier also often has the implication of being too strong/overpowered (depending on how you make these lists and the game in question). So S is also an implication that they are truly above and beyond other options.
In defense of basement bodybuilding’s reactions, Jeff genuinely doesn’t seem to understand resistance profiles well at all (or at least chooses not to apply his knowledge)
Personally would rank Milo's in F tier because he didn't say in the video the list was how science based they are it was a list of who you should watch to get big. It perfectly articulated the problem with mindsets like his
eric needs to make his own tierlists honestly. maybe like a bulgarian light tierlist where he goes into the various lifts hes done with that style of training and how it went and how it benefitted him.
Fanboys love to drag on revival,he isn’t perfect and has tunnel vision and a stubbornness streak but you can’t with honesty claim he isn’t advanced at this point lmao ,his content is pretty good most of the time as well, most of it is programming information
@@bebursGood source of info but he is so obsessive with certain topics like the "natty in bio" and god forbid you say you do PPL around him. I think he's a good "no nonsense" source but sometimes he just uses that as a ploy to be a dick or say a bunch of blackpilled stuff with no real basis
RF deleted the video where he went after GVS directly, and I think it shows that even RF fitness knows he went too far. I think Revival's last few videos have been pretty interesting, and when he was malding hard for a while, it was relatable because I too can get frustrated and make statements I later regret.
@@mrAngusGusIf Revival cannot recognize he is proof muscle gain is not linear (he went from skinny fat to early intermediate in less than 6 months after spending 2 years doing fluff and pump workouts) then he is a dingus
Doucette’s copyright bs is actually what introduced me to GVS so many yrs ago. So the fact that he put Greg’s tier list in F-Tier gave about a 15 second long laugh! Made my evening Great Tier List-Tier List 👍
Milo is the true science nerd. When your ranking and understanding of training all comes from science, which is inherently limited in its application, you get all sorts of wacky takes.
He literally does powerbuilding..which is the opposite of science He squats high bar atg 405x10...he does sumo and sohp even if they're not optimal If you actually watch him he says do things you enjoy first and foremost
Honestly super here for the meta video style, i think it's gonna be one of the only ways to get the kids to understand that it's worth expanding your horizons and consuming a wide variety of content + contrasting it with your own experience to draw your own conclusions. Got some good chuckles and agree with your assessments.
Glad you found some idea for a video Geof. It really is nice to have some kind of content and ideas to hear while we watch you profile sized video with some clips on the side.
There's no way u put talonfitness in B tier, his videos are just straight up knowledge. I revisit them so often during diets when I don't know what I wanna eat.
Ain't no way Milo put Natural Hypertrophy behind Gregg... thats absolutely insane. I don't care much for tier lists in general, but NH is probably the most S tier channel out there, imo. Dude has not only changed my physique, but also my mental well being.
"Putting Greg in the same tier but above NH" . dude , he put freaking "Jeremy EMG Either" above both Alex & NH ... WHAAAAAT ! (Salty boy) i guess that's the only explanation i have , maybe ? i was curious to check this video , but not anymore .. wow !
If you were to include Peter khatcherian where would he place? I started doing the old school deficit barbell row he was talking about and my upper back got much thicker lol
Shoutout to Talon, he is a great guy and really engages with his community. He has blown up recently and its well deserved. I may be biased but this tier list is probably the best around. I think an honest discussion of bias and training bent needs to be at the start of any content so the viewer can understand the perspective guiding the choices. I was just watching a Science-focused meta list and it had all the Noble Natties stuck in A tier because all their information was experience based, which showed major bias imo. The bias was never described other than handwaving as "not science based" which is a little too narrow minded for me; even as someone who does research professionally.
I was literally asking myself "When will GVS release a new video or have I missed it?" when I saw that this one was released less than an hour ago. I expect it to be a great one. On to a tierlistecption
Bald Omni-Man is maybe the most balanced guy in the game. He does a great job of incorporating various sources of information and distilling it into need to know bullet points. He's a strength coach and is strong as hell, so he can relate to the "just horse big weight" crowd, but ultimately he's interested in hypertrophy. You can be granular on certain topics as long as it's adding to the discussion and bringing in tidbits. As a fairly advanced lifter myself, I don't need to hear the same facts regurgitated 100x over. I want nuance and discussion. Alex Leonidas has also entered this realm. He's evolved so much throughout the time I've been following him, continued growing his channel after the sad hit job some tried to put on him a few years back (Dairyland Strength, where you at? Lol). Geoff, you'd move into that tier for me as well if you put out more content about advanced training techniques. Basement, NH, Shethar are maybe more niche. Depends on my mood and focus. I also have to shout out 3DMJ who have been putting out more content as of late. Jeff Alberts and Alberto Nuñez both put out a good deal of stuff about their specific training. Milo is still getting his legs under him. I understand that some people don't like his style, and he can be a bit pedantic at times, but I like that he conveys the latest research. Menno Henselmans is also in that category for me, but he includes a lot more general fitness topics and science communication. As for enhanced guys, Dr. Mike is still great. I know he's gotten some flack lately, but he's still great. Eric Janicki has also been fun to watch recently, he brings that enhanced enthusiasm with a lot of evidence based principles and anecdotal takes. His stuff is applicable to naturals as well.
Good summary of the current state of things I'd say. Dr. Mike is still solid overall, perhaps the channel has different goals compared to 2-3 years ago and earlier.
i found his channel within the first week or two he released videos, and it was pretty obviously from the get go that it was some only just science-based, cliquey bullshit
@@snowiblind You talking about Alex? Obviously can't be Bugez because he is so far from science-based... not that Alex is particularly science-based either. Either way you gotta be trolling. Alex is one of the best among natural bodybuilders, and he has pretty elite strength in both calisthenics and several aspects of static strength.
@@reformedzoomer talking about wolf bro lol, alex is the best channel ever lol, he's a perfect blend, wolf is pure science and ironically not as nuanced as alex's channel which is a great hybrid
15:52 I call BS here Geoff , basement wasn't harsh at all , actually he was too lenient for my taste. Jeff tier list might have been OK overall , especially for begginers ( most his videos are targeting beginners and he generaly does a good job on setting them on the right path ) but he gives really shity information for any intermediate and I emphasize the shity very heavily ( just watch the portion where he ranked rack pulls for example ) and Jeff tends to make very dumb statements and videos at some time ( he wanted to show only lengthened partials on pull ups and then proceeds to do the portion of the movement where the lats are not even engaged , this is completely horrible advice and i saw 0 calling him out despite millions of people watching his videos ). Jeff needs to be called out when he is wrong and gives BS advice , especially him because he influences millions of people and generally the higher the subscribers and views the more scrutiny people need to held to.
As long as the exercise deals with the function of the muscle that’s being targeted and progressive overload window is huge and the exercise is taken with great intensity , then at that point exercise selection becomes personal preference.
Would love to hear your opinion on whether training with a free weights is necessary for "optimal" hypertrophy. I hate to use that word, but I mean without leaving much, if anything on the table The science would say you can get just as big with machines and cables but the bro in me believes there's some magic to free weights.
The biggest issue with Jeff's tier lists is not even the exercises within the tier list, but the way he has conceived the structure of the tier lists themselves. Simply put, they are far from being "science-based" in so many regards. First off, the 3 criteria. Why even these 3 criteria in the first place? Strength & tension and ease of progress are reasonable, the "feel-good" factor, more less so. But why just these three? Why not 2? Why not more than 3? There's no justification given on this whatsoever. Personally, I'd keep the first two and add things like skill demand and induced overall fatigue, because these factors will help put more context into how exercise will fit within a cohesive, sound program (more on this later). Okay. Let's assume Jeff's three criteria are what they are. Now, how much relative weight do you give for each of them? Surely, the standard has to be consistently applied across all exercises for a fair assessment. But alas, there's not even a mention of this in any of his videos, and not surprisingly, this is a major source of inconsistency in how Jeff ranks the exercises. The last criticism I have is that these body-part tier lists fail to take in all the factors required for structuring an optimal hypertrophy program for your entire body. Sure, if your sole goal is to build bigger arms, just go to the arms tier list and do all the S-tier and few A-tier exercises. But most hypertrophy enthusiasts also want to train backs, arms, chest, shoulders, abs, legs, and everything in between. Here's a corny analogy. In COD, there are typically only few guns that are considered "meta," and often it's the guns with the best overall balance in the key attributes like recoil control, damage, and mobility. The best gun may not rank #1 in all three categories, but may be good across the board, while some low tier guns may be extremely good in one attribute while lacking severely in others. I don't think this scenario is that uncommon when it comes to exercise selections. For example, deadlifts often rank poorly on both the back and the legs department. But it undoubtedly is one of those biggest-bang-for-your-buck hypertrophy exercises with great versatility. Perhaps unwittingly, even Jeff Nippard himself knows this. Because why would he include TWO deadlift exercises in his "The Perfect Leg Day" video, instead of filling it with strictly his "S-tier" leg movements only?
Denali Gordon is really more of a parody channel than anything. Makes fun of Mario Rios and his "functional fitness", but there is a few solid bits hidden in the jokes
Talon fitness nutrition list is incredible! Because of his lists I legit started eating liver twice a day every single day😂😂 nutrition bomb! Not to mention some other foods as well because of those lists!
Next up: the much requested LENGTHENED PARTIAL video!
Book 1: SWEAT (beginners/intermediates)
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Book 2: Ring Training For Hypertrophy (ring enthusiasts)
www.verityfit.com/product-page/ring-training-for-hypertrophy
Book 3: Resurrecting Your Gains (intermediates/advanced lifters)
www.verityfit.com/product-page/resurrecting-your-gains-finding-your-muscle-growth-formula
Can check the site for full Tables Of Contents of each book. Appreciate the support!
Now rank this tier list in a video ranking tier lists of tier lists
Just listened to a NH tier list on my walk. Came back to this. 😂😂😂
S
It's on top because it's the only one. Instant S tier.
When we get more tier list tier lists then we can get a tier list tier list tier list
Milo Wolf ranking Greg Doucette above Natural Hypertrophy has me thinking he is still salty from their debate. That is an insane opinion to have lol
Bet your bottom he is
Milo is delusional af
Milo is unbearable. It's the equivalent to watching paint dry.
Milo is a bitch lmao
This guy is small af. I laughed so much when I was watching debate and he started by "I'm bigger than you". I read somewhere a comment that he is attacking? Nh from time to time and if that is true - guy is delusional af
I'm hoping the Boogs reacts to this. Three-hour long video reacting to a video tiering tier lists.
One can only hope
Holy buckets!! He kept the horse out of S tier.
He's too succulent and dense and the S tier can't contain him, so he had to be placed in the wide open pastures of A tier
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Jeff Nippard and Eric Bugenhagen are playing checkers, while GVS is playing chess.
Eric is playing 3d tick tack toe
I like basements tier lists a good bit, I think he adds enough useful information to make up for potentially being harsh (and I think that level of harsh is perfectly justified when someone is representing their opinion as reflective of science as a whole, thats gonna open you up to a higher scrutiny. Especially if you are using "does it feel good" as one of your core metrics). Also love talon fitness lol
Talon fitness is the shit
He's the best yep.
Yeah maybe a little harsh, but overall I think his tier lists are solid and have a positive impact on lifters. I’ve noticed in recent years nobody really questions Jeff, whether it’s his followers or other creators. He has a solid reputation for good reason, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be wrong. I’ve also noticed the people that actually do critique him, generally have no critiques outside of “he’s a science nerd” etc, which is a bit of a lackluster argument lol.
There are quite a few instances in his tier lists where his own criteria and his rankings just don’t line up at all, and I think that’s worth pointing out. Particularly making the stretch a huge point of emphasis in the criteria, but misusing it in the actual ranking, plus some resistance profile confusion on top of that. I do completely understand not being able to cover everything for each lift in one video though, especially if he’s trying to keep it a little more compact, so can’t fault him on that.
And personally, I like to approach my channel with an emphasis on the “why” not just the “what”. You can tell people what to do, but if someone actually wants to understand it, that won’t be enough. That’s the biggest problem in the fitness industry imo. But of course that’s hard to do in a
I agree with you and in fact I prefer to watch nippards tier lists via your videos as that's how I can actually learn things.
As someone mentioned, NIppard forgot what got him big
Yea that's fair, I do think you added a lot hence the highly sought after A tier tier list tier list ranking. Can tell your grandkids about it one day!
@@GVS I had a stroke reading that
@@supermarkethobo9567 I was stroking my johnson while reading aswell. Good to know theres others like me 😂
Surely Rick the Stick should get S tier just on the fact he's the only horse with a fitness channel
Holy buckets you know it’s gonna be a juicy tidbit when The Bugez is in the thumbnail FRICK
"Basement is harsh"
Jeff didn't put JM Press in S tier, this was a tame response
If he doesn’t put preacher curls in S tier, you can bet I’m never gonna smash that like button on his vids again 😡
@@BasementBodybuildingSame 😡😡😈😈😈
Me and the like button when he puts preacher curl in S tier 🥵🍆🍑
Real
@@BasementBodybuilding What about loose tape measures at an angle? Need those too.
Bruh my man Team3dAlpha the OG of tier lists is so shadow banned he doesn't make it to a tier list tier list video its unreal.
lol he makes tier lists on everything. A while back I watched a tier list he made on ADHD management techniques and I don’t even have adhd
Yea big mistake on my part, he'd be up there for sure.
@@GVS man forgot some other dudes like dave maconi or ssd abel. bro forgot the og alan thrall as well. smh
I thought it was gonna be about terminology of the rankings, like, “s,a,b,d,f” vs “horsecock, succulent and dense, stick, pensilneck”
S++ Tier: Jason Blaha strength and fitness
I searched his channel today out of curiosity and I can't believe that he actually has channel members.
there are no letters to rank him by. he's I na class all by himself
@@nitish2049... what
The thing is, Blaha really does know his stuff when it comes to lifting. It's just everything else around that that's a problem.
@@CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy Nope he doesn't... 20 years of lifting and he still can't curl. All his progress is off the drugs he takes/took
I want a NH 4 hour disection of this video and tier lists in todays society
Needs to relate to some manga, Nietsche, or existentialism in some way. Preferably with B roll of his family's French countryside property and zoomed in goon light shots of him flexing his chest.
I saw GVS recently comment on a podcast that Eric Helms was a part of. I recently discovered Helms and he’s full of golden nuggets of knowledge. His pyramid explanation from like 10 years ago is worth the watch
Yep he's great
If you love his stuff, I highly recommend getting his two books.
Thank you for being my friend.
My typpa schizophrenia
WOAH...Doucette over NH and Alex. Maybe Milo has something against the French and Canadians.
Isn't Doucette Canadian as well?
isn't douhet Canadian too
Pretty sure this is a joke coz milo is French and Greg is Canadian
@@thynarutoMilo?
@@thynarutoMilo is Belgian
Finally what we needed! Can't wait for a tier list tier list tier list video!
We must build up to this stage, let us not be hasty.
I'm surprised you didn't include Team 3D Alpha. I feel like Migan is one of the OGs of tier lists.
Yea mindfart there, overall he's pretty good with em and I've watched a ton.
@@GVS Yeah I like that he covers a lot of different topics with them
This is peak fitness content fitness content
nice haha
BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU GEEEEEOOOOFF!
Milo Wolf is insufferable
I hit "do not recommend" on that dude's vids because all he does is clickbait
Weirdly overnitpicky in some areas and then completely dismissive in others. If it's not "evidence based" he will always point it out. Even if you say "DOMS or pump MIGHT be a good indicator alongside other factors" he will still go on a minute long rampage and his conclusion is literally the same.
Plus Greg Doucette and NH in the same tier? Has he watched any of their videos? You can't even find informative videos on Greg's page nowadays
@@tomashorst9544 I don't watch Greg or NH. NH feels like a spawn of 4chan
@@Sonic_1000 He can be overly confident of his methods at times, but imo he's on par with GVS. Ironaically the 4chan crowd is one of his greatest enemies, but I can see why he feels like one of those early underground fitness youtubers
@tomashorst9544 Ironically both he and greg have taught me pretty good stuff😂
This Tier list is S TIER! Well done Geoff!
New gvs just dropped 🗣🗣🗣
Imo Talon should be A tier at least. It doesn't have the spice, but it sure as hell has the macros for the coveted hypertrophy. Again, it's just my opinion and comment.
Great tier list man, it's nice with a change in YT fitness.
Nah, is info is a bit generic and on the google search tier. I love me some tier lists but he doesn't really put much of a value add on it. I think GVS nailed his rating.
Denali Gordon's entire thing is being a parody of Maria Ross. In pretty much every short he is throwing shade at her or her sister Martina for their obsession with Leon Edwards and "functional exercises".
Ah I didn't realize, that sort of changes things if it's done ironically.
@@GVSbro might have the tism
That’s exactly why Nick Smith has the most aesthetic physique of all time
I keep finding myself going back to NH's tier list, it like an encyclopedia for natural lifters
I rate them QUASO/10
His tier lists are great for sure. Can't go wrong with his picks for B-tier and upwards
FACTS
quaso😂😂😂😂
yeah man I've used those s and a tiers to change up my training.
a log of my program actually
@@productofmymind4860oof looks like I've been skimping out on an extra tier
I check out his tier lists at least once a month
I sprained my wrist quite recently, so I had to go down to exercises as low as C tier to review what I can do, pretty useful
I never got why "S" is the top on these things. Instead of typing this I could have googled it but I didn't and I'm not going to.
Came from the japanese school grading system where 秀逸 (shuuitsu) which stands for excellent. As tierlists were originally used for japanese fighting games, this just stuck arounf
@@LUKA_911 To add on, S tier also often has the implication of being too strong/overpowered (depending on how you make these lists and the game in question). So S is also an implication that they are truly above and beyond other options.
@@TheGreektrojan yeah S is often referred to as "Super" for that reason. It's supposed to be the best of the best.
Didn't realise it came from Japanese, I always thought it was S for Superb, but given how much it shows up in video games it does make sense
In defense of basement bodybuilding’s reactions, Jeff genuinely doesn’t seem to understand resistance profiles well at all (or at least chooses not to apply his knowledge)
Wolf pitting alpha destiny in B tier is pure injustice
Personally would rank Milo's in F tier because he didn't say in the video the list was how science based they are it was a list of who you should watch to get big. It perfectly articulated the problem with mindsets like his
Milo Wolf is the more butt sore and unintentionally weird version of Mike Isratel.
eric needs to make his own tierlists honestly. maybe like a bulgarian light tierlist where he goes into the various lifts hes done with that style of training and how it went and how it benefitted him.
It is the year 2030: Tier list for reactions of tier list of tier lists of tier lists
Also that ending was legendary
Geoff could have been so petty to Revival Fitness, and chose not to be. Big props
He's not a bad guy nor does he make bad content.
Fanboys love to drag on revival,he isn’t perfect and has tunnel vision and a stubbornness streak but you can’t with honesty claim he isn’t advanced at this point lmao ,his content is pretty good most of the time as well, most of it is programming information
@@bebursGood source of info but he is so obsessive with certain topics like the "natty in bio" and god forbid you say you do PPL around him. I think he's a good "no nonsense" source but sometimes he just uses that as a ploy to be a dick or say a bunch of blackpilled stuff with no real basis
RF deleted the video where he went after GVS directly, and I think it shows that even RF fitness knows he went too far. I think Revival's last few videos have been pretty interesting, and when he was malding hard for a while, it was relatable because I too can get frustrated and make statements I later regret.
@@mrAngusGusIf Revival cannot recognize he is proof muscle gain is not linear (he went from skinny fat to early intermediate in less than 6 months after spending 2 years doing fluff and pump workouts) then he is a dingus
Consider investing into better microphone/camera man! You are a top tier fitness content creator and one of my favs!
Doucette’s copyright bs is actually what introduced me to GVS so many yrs ago. So the fact that he put Greg’s tier list in F-Tier gave about a 15 second long laugh! Made my evening Great Tier List-Tier List 👍
That saga was legendary
This is peak GVS humour. Fkn love it
Basement's tier lists are top of S tier, among the most informative fitness videos on youtube
I hope this includes the Milo tier list of RUclips channels that put NH and Doucette together……Yes! 4:47
Oh yes
This idea is hilarious and really sums up the state of RUclips fitness 😂 Now we just need to see some reaction videos to it!
Milo is the true science nerd. When your ranking and understanding of training all comes from science, which is inherently limited in its application, you get all sorts of wacky takes.
He literally does powerbuilding..which is the opposite of science
He squats high bar atg 405x10...he does sumo and sohp even if they're not optimal
If you actually watch him he says do things you enjoy first and foremost
I... have been waiting so long for someone to do this. Thank you.
boog’z is my favourite noble natty!
"noble" - he will come to your house, spit on your floor for motivation and then he will steal all your honey, garlic and peanutbutter
Huh oh...
no longer natty
I don't think he's natty ever since he got his injury a bit ago but he hasn't come out and said it or anything
@@doug2555 May have been before that, when pro wrestling.
Honestly super here for the meta video style, i think it's gonna be one of the only ways to get the kids to understand that it's worth expanding your horizons and consuming a wide variety of content + contrasting it with your own experience to draw your own conclusions. Got some good chuckles and agree with your assessments.
Glad you found some idea for a video Geof.
It really is nice to have some kind of content and ideas to hear while we watch you profile sized video with some clips on the side.
We're all gonna make it brahs
😎
There's no way u put talonfitness in B tier, his videos are just straight up knowledge. I revisit them so often during diets when I don't know what I wanna eat.
Yea that's fair. If it was "the nutrition tier list tier list" he'd be top of S for sure.
This is some 4th wall breaking stuff
We need more of these tier lists to make a video on those tier list of tier list of tier lists
Something I appreciate about NH as well; he will change his opinion either way new info. He likes incline curls now😊😊
Yep a plus for sure, has strong opinions but is willing to change them.
Revival Fitness's content is good but his personality stinks. He comes across as very condescending, bitter and cocky.
6:37 - 8:22
I was freaking out looking at that tier list.
Yea I messed that up but thankfully noticed
Ain't no way Milo put Natural Hypertrophy behind Gregg... thats absolutely insane. I don't care much for tier lists in general, but NH is probably the most S tier channel out there, imo. Dude has not only changed my physique, but also my mental well being.
Trainer winny got me starting in the gym. His beginner program is the best to get started for 1-3 months even 6 if you want to.
Lol I didn't think you were serious when you talked about tier lists tier lists in your IG stories 😂
I can't wait for somone to do a Alan thrall/ Alexander Bromley breakdown and comparison for the ultimate strongman turned bodybuilder
you forgot migan!! from 3d team alpha, solid S tier for sure
Milo Wolf is such an arrogant dude
"Putting Greg in the same tier but above NH" .
dude , he put freaking "Jeremy EMG Either" above both Alex & NH ... WHAAAAAT !
(Salty boy) i guess that's the only explanation i have , maybe ?
i was curious to check this video , but not anymore .. wow !
If you were to include Peter khatcherian where would he place? I started doing the old school deficit barbell row he was talking about and my upper back got much thicker lol
Not sure if he does tier lists but I like his stuff overall.
Now this is what i call content
Revival fitness has some generally good advice on training, but his diet advice? oh boy
His diet advice is eating Whole Foods while not demonizing animal fats which we evolved eating…how is that bad lol
A tier list of tier lists !! I love it .
This is your version of reacting to the reaction of someone’s reaction of a reaction video to love it…. At least that’s my reaction
Reactception
Shoutout to Talon, he is a great guy and really engages with his community. He has blown up recently and its well deserved.
I may be biased but this tier list is probably the best around. I think an honest discussion of bias and training bent needs to be at the start of any content so the viewer can understand the perspective guiding the choices.
I was just watching a Science-focused meta list and it had all the Noble Natties stuck in A tier because all their information was experience based, which showed major bias imo. The bias was never described other than handwaving as "not science based" which is a little too narrow minded for me; even as someone who does research professionally.
We've entered RUclips inception with Jeff's video in Eric's video in Geoff's video.
i think basement is s tier, the jm press deserves justice
Jm press hurts for too many people to be s tier
@@slee2695 too many people are doing it wrong then.
@@slee2695 Well so does hack squat yet it's still often in S tier
@zerrodefex you're intermediate? Advanced?
As an advanced lifter Im doing joint saving lifts as much as possible
@@paavoilves5416 hack squat hurts? That's news to me
I was literally asking myself "When will GVS release a new video or have I missed it?" when I saw that this one was released less than an hour ago. I expect it to be a great one. On to a tierlistecption
Bromley has done some hypertrophy videos on the shoulders and back and a few others and they were very good.
Surprised to see Eric on this list. He doesn't deal in tier lists. He would be in the S-Tier on golden tidbits, and training mindsets.
Bald Omni-Man is maybe the most balanced guy in the game. He does a great job of incorporating various sources of information and distilling it into need to know bullet points. He's a strength coach and is strong as hell, so he can relate to the "just horse big weight" crowd, but ultimately he's interested in hypertrophy.
You can be granular on certain topics as long as it's adding to the discussion and bringing in tidbits. As a fairly advanced lifter myself, I don't need to hear the same facts regurgitated 100x over. I want nuance and discussion.
Alex Leonidas has also entered this realm. He's evolved so much throughout the time I've been following him, continued growing his channel after the sad hit job some tried to put on him a few years back (Dairyland Strength, where you at? Lol).
Geoff, you'd move into that tier for me as well if you put out more content about advanced training techniques.
Basement, NH, Shethar are maybe more niche. Depends on my mood and focus.
I also have to shout out 3DMJ who have been putting out more content as of late. Jeff Alberts and Alberto Nuñez both put out a good deal of stuff about their specific training.
Milo is still getting his legs under him. I understand that some people don't like his style, and he can be a bit pedantic at times, but I like that he conveys the latest research. Menno Henselmans is also in that category for me, but he includes a lot more general fitness topics and science communication.
As for enhanced guys, Dr. Mike is still great. I know he's gotten some flack lately, but he's still great. Eric Janicki has also been fun to watch recently, he brings that enhanced enthusiasm with a lot of evidence based principles and anecdotal takes. His stuff is applicable to naturals as well.
Good summary of the current state of things I'd say. Dr. Mike is still solid overall, perhaps the channel has different goals compared to 2-3 years ago and earlier.
Greg Doucette is S tier.
In the Drama Queen tier list.
Wolf putting Bugenhagen in S tier and Alex Leonidas in B tier is the only nail I need to seal that coffin (i.e. not following him).
Wtf is that about?
Bugenhagen and Alex should be s tier both
@@beburs correct
i found his channel within the first week or two he released videos, and it was pretty obviously from the get go that it was some only just science-based, cliquey bullshit
@@snowiblind You talking about Alex? Obviously can't be Bugez because he is so far from science-based... not that Alex is particularly science-based either.
Either way you gotta be trolling. Alex is one of the best among natural bodybuilders, and he has pretty elite strength in both calisthenics and several aspects of static strength.
@@reformedzoomer talking about wolf bro lol, alex is the best channel ever lol, he's a perfect blend, wolf is pure science and ironically not as nuanced as alex's channel which is a great hybrid
We've gone full Hypertrophy meta
15:52 I call BS here Geoff , basement wasn't harsh at all , actually he was too lenient for my taste.
Jeff tier list might have been OK overall , especially for begginers ( most his videos are targeting beginners and he generaly does a good job on setting them on the right path ) but he gives really shity information for any intermediate and I emphasize the shity very heavily ( just watch the portion where he ranked rack pulls for example ) and Jeff tends to make very dumb statements and videos at some time ( he wanted to show only lengthened partials on pull ups and then proceeds to do the portion of the movement where the lats are not even engaged , this is completely horrible advice and i saw 0 calling him out despite millions of people watching his videos ).
Jeff needs to be called out when he is wrong and gives BS advice , especially him because he influences millions of people and generally the higher the subscribers and views the more scrutiny people need to held to.
Yeah I unsubbed his channel because of exactly that
F tier for doucette is unfair, he should be in Banished to the Shadow Realm tier
As long as the exercise deals with the function of the muscle that’s being targeted and progressive overload window is huge and the exercise is taken with great intensity , then at that point exercise selection becomes personal preference.
The best part of the tier lists is that I found Sticky Ricky. His reactions are hilarious.
Denali gordon mocks mario rios who does this sort of content but unironically
Massive iron world. Best channel. Gvs number 2.
I am just noticing GVS had his eyebrows "did". When did this happen?! His day ones fans will no doubt miss the Wolverine/Caveman look
What does "did" mean?
@@GVS Plucked/threaded. I was just joking. Dont hurt me muscle god
Would love to hear your opinion on whether training with a free weights is necessary for "optimal" hypertrophy. I hate to use that word, but I mean without leaving much, if anything on the table
The science would say you can get just as big with machines and cables but the bro in me believes there's some magic to free weights.
Shedding a "tear" just reading the title.
Tier list inception.
I believe the industry term is "metanalysis"
“That’s petty.”
I laughed
NO FUCKING WAY YOU ACTUALLY DID IT
This could be the most GVS video of all time
The biggest issue with Jeff's tier lists is not even the exercises within the tier list, but the way he has conceived the structure of the tier lists themselves. Simply put, they are far from being "science-based" in so many regards.
First off, the 3 criteria. Why even these 3 criteria in the first place?
Strength & tension and ease of progress are reasonable, the "feel-good" factor, more less so.
But why just these three? Why not 2? Why not more than 3? There's no justification given on this whatsoever.
Personally, I'd keep the first two and add things like skill demand and induced overall fatigue, because these factors will help put more context into how exercise will fit within a cohesive, sound program (more on this later).
Okay. Let's assume Jeff's three criteria are what they are. Now, how much relative weight do you give for each of them? Surely, the standard has to be consistently applied across all exercises for a fair assessment. But alas, there's not even a mention of this in any of his videos, and not surprisingly, this is a major source of inconsistency in how Jeff ranks the exercises.
The last criticism I have is that these body-part tier lists fail to take in all the factors required for structuring an optimal hypertrophy program for your entire body. Sure, if your sole goal is to build bigger arms, just go to the arms tier list and do all the S-tier and few A-tier exercises. But most hypertrophy enthusiasts also want to train backs, arms, chest, shoulders, abs, legs, and everything in between.
Here's a corny analogy. In COD, there are typically only few guns that are considered "meta," and often it's the guns with the best overall balance in the key attributes like recoil control, damage, and mobility. The best gun may not rank #1 in all three categories, but may be good across the board, while some low tier guns may be extremely good in one attribute while lacking severely in others.
I don't think this scenario is that uncommon when it comes to exercise selections.
For example, deadlifts often rank poorly on both the back and the legs department. But it undoubtedly is one of those biggest-bang-for-your-buck hypertrophy exercises with great versatility.
Perhaps unwittingly, even Jeff Nippard himself knows this. Because why would he include TWO deadlift exercises in his "The Perfect Leg Day" video, instead of filling it with strictly his "S-tier" leg movements only?
all of these tier lists are now technically peer reviewed
Denali Gordon is really more of a parody channel than anything. Makes fun of Mario Rios and his "functional fitness", but there is a few solid bits hidden in the jokes
Yea didn't realize it was a parody, in that case it's quite different.
YEAH BUDDY
Can't wait for Greg's reaction on this
Talon fitness nutrition list is incredible! Because of his lists I legit started eating liver twice a day every single day😂😂 nutrition bomb! Not to mention some other foods as well because of those lists!
I appreciated the self-deprecating humour
Thanks!
I think Mindpump did some tier lists too. I don't remember though.
I started to hate Jeff nippard. Dude is basically ranking exercises lower on the list for being to hard.