The Corn Piles Need to Go w/ Hunter's Advocate of Ohio | HUNTR Podcast
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- In this episode of HUNTR Podcast, we're joined by Kevin and Javin Mullet of Hunters Advocate of Ohio to discuss a topic that's near and dear to our hearts. As guys who own farms in the state of Ohio, we are very passionate about managing the whitetail deer population at a state level. We've had many guests on to talk about the future of hunting in Ohio, and how we as hunters can make a difference for a better hunting experience. Kevin and Javin have taken the initiative to start their organization, and really focus on being the voice for outdoorsmen and women to be heard in the state of Ohio. We've talked a lot about banning baiting in Ohio, and why we feel the way we do about it. There's only so much you can do to maintain a healthy deer population, and as hunters it's up to us to do that. Please check out Hunters Advocate of Ohio's website to learn more and join the fight for a better tomorrow. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.
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You guys mentioned the baiting boom was about 5/8 years ago. But i would say it EXPLODED in 2020 when people were sitting home, and had time hunt again. ALOT of people who were too busy to hunt took advantage. Of course. Even people who were just home and didnt hunt were throwing out corn just to watch the deer out of their window. Another thing that one of the Mullets said was now a days everyone owns hunting land/ recreation land, Im sure the fact that the whole generation raised on Outdoors T.v. like myself are now of age and in the buying market. My parents and all the adults i grew up around were weekend guys. Now theres a whole age range of men who 25-40 whose entire life is centered around this passion.
Indiana is now a one buck state, and the jump up in numbers and quality of bucks really surprised me! And I have been hunting the same family farm since 1987.
Indiana also does not allow baiting, so everyone has food plots on private land. Even if that plot is a small kill plot.
As a Hoosier I think our DNR is ahead of many states.
Debating corn piles…. The main response is to bring up food plots?!?! Really?? Ok- go plant a food plot if it’s the same thing. Exact same thing with crossbows used during archery season by able bodied folks … DEFLECT!!! “Well a compound is more advanced than a stick bow”.
How about u specifically argue the merits or downsides of bait. Don’t deflect!! 👍
Great call Skip. Those posting they're the same are doing so solely to support their need for corn piles as a necessary tactic. You cant convince them they're killing small game and bird populations promoting nest predators, versus a food plot which provides these species. Bait is an immediately consumable attractant that is transported and applied for ones benefit ...trees, plots, ag, native browse. The same guys are that deflect this claim compounds shoot as well as crossbows and rock ignorance on anything but their self posturing position. Ohio has become "the other guys ruined it" hunting state. They whine about NR hunters, who are 20% of the take and 70% of the revenue. Ironically, limiting baiting would cut the number of NRs and outfitters down due to the effort needed.
"If it's legal why do you care?" Because it shouldn't be thats why i fuckin care
Spot on.
@@codyyamnitzlol yes this is a very well thought out statement
@@garretts1604, show me where NR pay 70% of revenue of Ohio license sales.
Anyone that wants to cry CWD so they can get baiting banned, doesn’t need to be advocating for hunters in Ohio
@user-nt7ni2xd8h I don't like baiting at all coming from a non bait state but I totally agree with you.These guys just want a foot in the industry.
@@daveyboy8907I live in Alabama where baiting is legal and you can shoot a doe a day, only had one confirmed case ever of cwd and that’s bc someone brought a buck from Tennessee. Baiting has nothing to do with cwd
@@thelzmovement6480 I don't believe cwd is even a thing.
@@daveyboy8907 well that’s just wrong 🤦🏽♂️
Fact right here. I personally would like to see baiting banned, but lost all respect for them with that statement. That kind of statement reveals a lot about a person.
Maybe have cell cam providers regulate timing of picture release based off of state and that states regs. Pics will send to the user 3 days, 5 days, 7 days etc after the picture is captured. Minimize intrusion on your property and free up time not having to go check you cams, but eliminate the “advantage” cell cams provide for hunting “in real time”
I like that idea and it could save me from myself. Hunt the spots I should be in, instead of chasing the pictures. Would make me review previous years data and hot sign more and bring me back to being more of a woodsman
If baiting is killing ohio. How is it still out producing most midwest states in 170 plus deer. More 200 inch deer are killed in ohio each year then kansas, Missouri, iowa.
As a native buckeye on the west side of the state where I live. It is flat farm land and small woods lots. So for people hunting theses small wood lots subliminal feeding (corn piles) is the only option food plots are not an option so if corn piles get banned food plots should to. What is the difference both folks are feeding wildlife. The biggest issue is not baiting on the west side of the state it is access there little to none public ground and the large wood lots is leased as a rich men’s game. So baiting gives the average Joe the ability to manage his small wood lot just as the large land owners.
Just a thought one of the best way to help the resource is to have a point draw system for non resident to get a buck tags and you keep it one buck state.
The average joe isn't "managing" his woodlot by dumping a bag of corn. He's just shooting a deer
@thetrooper1061 who cares how the "average joe" aka 90% of people, put meat in the freezer? Baiting has been around for a hundred years, simply made easier now with mass production. I love plots, but I'm an equal opportunist. Corn ain't magic folks. If it was, all the deer would be killed/over harvested. And we'd all be screwed.
I grew up in exact same type of area. Hunted trails & intersections. Found where deer traveled to ag fields, etc. We have that now in iowa & guys do just fine. I respect your POV but hunting doesn’t require bait piles. Or even plots.
Never heard you guys really say this but wouldn’t banning cell cameras promote the shooting of younger and smaller deer. If you didn’t know what was out there, isn’t there less motivation to pass a good younger deer?
According to several land management hunting advisor type people, the best thing you can do is let your neighbor have the feeder or the plot 150-200yards from your land. Then make your land attractive for bedding and have AM stands. The deer get full at the neighbors house and come for bedding on your property.
Bring back the mandatory check stations!!!!!! The old metal tags on bucks were really cool to have and I think should be brought back! Nobody has integrity anymore.
Banning baiting doesn't stop the baiting. I live in Wisconsin where CWD is most prominent and every Farm and Fleet, Fleet Farm, Tractor Supply, Cabelas etc is fully stocked on deer feed, mineral, and other bait. They aren't wasting shelf space to not sell the stuff. The only people you hear of getting caught in the area are the guys that will dump piles of corn where the DNR can spot it from aerial view.
Love the podcast thanks for the content!!! These conversations are very important! Jeremy! I know I commented on the Miguel‘s Nalgene awhile ago I thought I got out of climbing awhile ago due to getting older and work but I built a boulder wall in my backyard and it brings me back!! Hunting took over my life now but it’s nice to get on a wall once in awhile. Love what you guys are doing !!
Haha hell yea. I need a new Miguel’s bottle but the original just keeps going
One parting thought. If you don't agree with baiting in Ohio, boycott the state. Show them who is boss. Take back all of your revenue that you think they depend upon. It is just that simple. And if you happen to be a resident, start making friends in Iowa.
I like watching these podcasts. They always make me laugh. If you actually put out corn for an entire season it’s way more work and money than a food plot.
It takes 4-6 hours to put out a food plot.
Underrated comment. This is 100% factual.
In Missouri it specifically says you do not have to know an area is baited to be guilty of baiting.
On if landowners should buy tags... wait till the Farm Bureau speaks up on that one and i dont see it happening. I believe the Farm Bureau is the biggest voice in the room, by a long shot!
I think coyotes needs addressed they are getting out of hand
The power to address them lies with the hunters, everything is there for them to harvest coyotes 24/7 365.
So go address them, duh
Where in the world is this over population of deer? Southwest Ohio is a shell of its former self. Not even close to being over populated. I can hunt over 1,000 acres. It’s a rarity for me to see more than 5 deer sitting over a 50 acre cornfield, in one of the most amazing deer sanctuaries in Ohio. Butler County has so little deer it is disheartening. Not only that, they decided to raise the deer bag limit up to three from two. Not one hunter that I have talked to in the last two years has had an increase of deer. The DNR is so out of touch with actual hunters and landowners that I don’t see much getting done for hunters or deer.
Great podcast topics that need to be discussed! Need more mullets in ohio💪
Finally got through! Excellent!!!
1) you don’t need bait to kill deer!!!! Iowa, MO, IL, etc etc etc. Absolutely not needed for a successful hunt.
2) the dudes on “5 acres” …. That isn’t meant to kill a buck EVERY YEAR (or multiple!)!!! If u have 10 places to hunt like that including public - that’s how u sustain killing bucks off of small places. “ Everyone has to get their buck off a tiny tract” … unsustainable & will ruin neighborhoods. Yes, it is sustainable to shoot a buck every year off 200 acres. Not 5!!!!
3) every argument for baiting is generally based around “ME ME ME”. Can we think past ourselves and ask what’s best for resource?
4) debate the merits of bait!!! (There aren’t any based on science or facts) & quit comparing to food plots- which don’t have the scientific facts & negatives corn piles do!!! If they are the same - plant a plot!
5) “can’t enforce it”. There’s no law on the books u can’t say same about. How about speeding? How about drugs? Whatever - nothing is 100%. Always be law breakers. That’s a non-argument. Iowa doesn’t allow baiting - folks still do it on occasion & get busted over time.
6) can the folks who love bait & have to have it for ME ME ME understand this isn’t good for the future of hunting, age class, quality of herd, other animals, habitat & ecosystem?!? The world isn’t just about your wants & desires. This is a PUBLIC RESOURCE that u don’t own! & having some “older bucks” is better based on SCIENCE!!!
Baiting has got way out of hand the last 10 years. They liter the landscape!!!. It’s a plague!!!!!! Wake up folks. The only thing bait is helping is for a dude to have an easy button at killing. That’s it!!!! With every other downside that comes with it. Come hunt a non-bait state - quality of the experience & resource is far better. Ohio could have the best & highest quality resource for EVERYONE if they got rid of these selfish & short sighted corn piles. It’s time. 💪👍
Baiting is a traditional hunting method,, food plots are relatively new.. Put up a fence and protect your investment.
Also, many would probably love to hunt iowa, but don't have the resources to do so. I mean whats up with a state that has all of those giant deer but won't allow non residents to experience it. Talk about me me me. Thats one me for each of the bucks that y'all can shoot as residents. You stay in Iowa and stop gentrifying what is left of rural Ohio.
It’s a LUXARY for me to go to other states to hunt Whitetail’s. For me to drive to OH & lease up land & displace people from OH. I don’t NEED that. The RESIDENTS of Ohio on the other hand sometimes NEED to hunt. When the residents of OHIO do not have places to go and have fewer mature bucks to take, why are they allowing me to go there??? They should limit me to a DRAW. Or make the tag prices far higher. I can now go there with my checkbook & remove 20+ locals with $ & buy my buck tag the same as they can. Kids 14-25 years old that can’t compete with $ as they don’t have it. How is that right or fair to the residents??? Again, it’s a LUXARY for me to travel to another state to shoot a buck. It’s a necessity of the residents to hunt. The RESIDENTS that actually OWN THE DEER!!!!
@@Iowa_Whitetail, exactly. And since you listened to all of the podcast, you heard them Mullets state that the problem started with QDM practices. Affluent hunters locking up land, locking out locals, and now they cry because someone's leveled the playing field by using bait. Again, QDM was first, baiting was the result. Now, if you don't have access to large land, those that do want to limit you even more. Do us Buckeyes a favor and share your Iowa resource.
Exactly how many bucks does a hunter need to harvest in a year to feed their stomach? And how many to feed their fragile ego?
I've tried suggesting that an avid whitetail hunter can hunt all of the big bucks that they desire in a season and purposely only tag 1. Beyond that, be a mentor to someone else. I guarantee that they will find it more rewarding.
0 to 1. More & more don’t “need” to shoot a buck every year. We can shoot as many does as you want if u r willing to take a drive.
I agree with u the trend is: lock land up to keep folks out!!!!! Totally agree!!! It’s a problem!!! The more that baiting takes place (it’s EXPLODED in last 10 years!!!) the more folks are gonna lock stuff up. It’s a horrible cycle that needs broken….
Who are many of the folks locking land up?? NR’s BUT also: R’s who want a quality experience. Removing bait would improve the quality of the herd immensely!!! Thus not the need to lock up all the land. On the NR side- u guys need to limit it!!!! Iowa limits it to 6,000 per year. While R’s are struggling for access & quitting due to that as the #1 reason. Why would u allow unlimited NR’s (like me) to come there & out-compete your residents? NR’s, like me, are NOT locking land up to shoot does. (In IA- 90%+ of NR’s don’t fill doe tag that comes with the buck tag). Residents control deer #’s. & OH regs will push more R hunters out with degraded quality & access. OH is losing R hunters at a higher %/rate than IA. Your deer #’s are growing. Our harvest is half of what it was 20 years ago. & we retain hunters. Without bait & with NR restrictions that favor our Residents. Where does iowa have that wrong? We don’t. & the data shows it.
Again, I agree with u 100% the locking up of land is a HUUUGGEEE problem!!! But the MERITS of corn piles littering the landscape doesn’t exist. It’s a plague that is one big reason (of several) that OH is struggling & how they could improve. The piles need to go - for the betterment of the resource, habitat, ecosystem & future of hunting
IA is trending towards 6% timber BTW & a tiny deer herd. Ohio has probably 5x the amount of timber & way way way more deer. Could be the best state in country for EVERYONE if bait is removed & I would argue/suggest putting a cap on how many NR tags are sold. The # “unlimited” is costing your state big league in problems due to that choice.
Good comments on your posts BTW. Fair POV
Do your OH residents a favor & share your resource LESS with people who don’t live there!! When access is easy & more bucks to go around than can be shot …. Bring the NR’s like me in. Until then, when R’s are getting hammered, limit it!!!! 👍
From what I see as an Ohio resident bow hunter for the last 35 years plus is the lose of property to hunt due to the buying up of private property and that also is where the over population of does are. The deer population on public land is low, this is why you can only harvest one doe on public land in Ohio.
25 minutes in and my head hurts 😐
Landowners --Tax payers should have a voice regarding the resource.
Non resident owners too?
@@garretts1604 absolutley!! I pay about $5000 a year in property taxes
So contact the division of wildlife
They still sell the deer corn and minerals here in Tennessee and we can’t use it in the cwd zone.
What are your guys thoughts on corn piles/supplemental feeding during the spring/summer months to inventory your herd?
I wish Illinois would let us supplemental feed up until September. I would use medicated feed. It does not belong in the woods during hunting season.
Agree 100%!!! It’s about nutrition & giving to the deer vs just taking.
@Masonjar94 we don't want " medicated" deer.. It's bad enough they eat gmo corn and beans.
Be careful what you wish for I hope they never let any form of feeding in because that is just a crack in the door and then pretty soon there would be baiting in the season.
Jarred, have you or are you willing to share your full bow setup? Getting back into bow hunting this year and I’d like to upgrade my bow and looking at the RX-8 and just trying to figure out what options I want. Would be shooting 80lbs. If you already have shared that could you let me know the episode? Thanks!
Sure thing, dm me on Instagram @wearehuntr
We practice "earn a buck" on the property I hunt in IL with 2 doe before your 1st buck and the buck needs to be 150"+. No problem here, doe are plenty and fun to shoot. Try to get 2 doe early before the pre rut kicks in. Overall the bucks on the property have a better age structure.
Wow that’s a management plan!
@@HUNTRPOD, a management plan that could be implemented on any property that y'all own. Yet it isn't. Hmmmmm.
3 buck tags in iowa is a huge issue. Resident here and can vouch for it
How do you get 3 buck tags without owning property? Been here my whole life never been able to get more than 2
Bagged deer corn is field corn that didn’t pass the aflatoxin test and can’t be sold on the commodity market since most corn is used for cattle feed. Corn for deer has no regulation.
Great show. Theres some cry babies in the comments.
Yet here you are crying .. the irony .😂
Are you really sure you want lobbyist being the ones making the rules on wildlife management decisions? What happens when you get out lobbied by a group that passes a law to move the gun season week to 2 weeks during the middle of the rut.
We have a good DOW deer program and leaders in Tonk and Clint.
Why not lobby to let the wildlife biologists do their job without fear of losing their job?
Ok if ya want baiting gone in ohio who else does that hurt yep local farmers who sell the corn. So that means no food plots no cut corn fields no oak trees no crp its all baiting. I also think in order to have a voice in our hunting regulations you must be from ohio at least for 25 yrs. I also believe that non residents should have to take a doe before getting a buck tag which should cost more
*The issue is fair chase. Prepare to be triggered
-Fair chase is archery is having to pull the string on archery tackle while the deer presents a shot.
-Fair chase in getting a deer close means having to deal fairly with a deer senses and natural randomized movement patterns.
+Modern deer cheats-scent proof deer blinds, bait piles, cell cams. Don Higgins or the Drury etc sitting in a scent proof deer blind shooting a 200" is becoming less and less interesting.
Also it says u can use drones to recover wounded deer in Ohio and if you find the deer alive u have to quit using the drone and then can pursue the deer
Simple solution to tagging the invisible deer: have hunters donate a doe and get confirmation from the processor and earn the 1st or 2nd tag…
I'm not in a bait state but just an idea. Create a doe only season and only allow in season baiting during that season. That will allow meat hunters to still bait and harvest meat ? @huntr
Oh I like that idea a lot
I would suggest that, for Ohio, the month of January be anterless ONLY. Possibly move muzzleloader season to be between Christmas and new years
Just wanted to say thank you for your podcast and while i don't always agree with all of your opinions I do enjoy the discussion. Here in my home state of Virginia baiting isn't allowed but there are some that still do it but our issue is deer hound hunting. As a land owner and a bowhunter deer hounds are a huge issue. @HUNTRPOD
Per the book you have to check the deer in before you can shoot another deer. No where does it say you have to put a tag on the deer unless you leave the deer unattended or go to a permanent residence. So shoot a doe, if u watch her fall then tag on your phone and keep hunting. And no limit on how many you can kill per day.
If Ohio wants more does shot they need to make a buck tag a combo tag. If you want to shoot a buck you would pay $39. ($24 & $15) and get a buck and doe tag.
Might help push guys to shoot a doe if they have to have a tag.
There's a guy in our state that has a 2-acre old horse pasture and between him and his buddies they killed seven bucks off of it in one year and one feeder
Jealous?
@@toddstewart9437 😂 what part of that said I was😂😂 any dipstick with 5 acres could go throw a corn pile in the middle and kill a deer
@@Mossy-back-blacktail, I apologize. I know it was a cheap shot. The point is, despite all the rhetoric about deer being a shared resource, the takeaway of this podcast is the more land you own the more deer you are entitled to. And that is a problem. I can't help but notice how Jar ed perks up whenever a second buck tag is mentioned. Jeremy called small acreage hunting welfare. They act exactly like the elitists that they claim that they aren't.
Regarding deer corn sold in PA. I have rentals on a wooded property and out of 8 houses probably 4 people who don't hunt buy deer corn because they like to see deer and squirrels. That's who is buying deer corn in Pa
Michigan may be going one buck rule here very shortly have some good inside info, announcement soon along with other new regs for 2024
Worst state in the country might have a chance!!! This is great!!!!!! 👍💪🔥🥳🥳🥳🥳
@ryanfarmer5155 I hope earn a buck. 3 pnt minimum on a side. Move rifle to first week December
@Iowa_Whitetail skip. Love your content. 3 on a side and earn a buck. Or moving rifle season moved to December 1st week. All be good for michigan. We only have 500k hunters. Down from million in mid 90s. Mid rut rifle ruin most states.
Antler restrictions and outlawing corn would push the needle big time. Getting every buck to 2.5 before they are potentially legal creates a much better age structure. They are much harder to kill than yearlings.
Antler restrictions don't work long term because it allows the smaller deer more breeding time while putting more pressure on 2.5 and older bucks. For everyone who thinks that Ohio could be on par with Iowa, the first thing that would need to be done is convincing 9 million Buckeyes to relocate to another state.
@@toddstewart9437 A dead yearling buck sure can’t breed. There’s no difference on the herd between young bucks and mature bucks breeding.
@@markalleman4520, I should clarify what I meant by smaller buck. A small genetically inferior rack buck. That would be the deer that gets a pass ( antler restriction) and given the opportunity to breed more. Which state that has antler restrictions has a higher percentage of big bucks than Ohio?
@@toddstewart9437 it’s been proven that selective harvest(culling) has no affect on genetics. The only variable that we have control over is age and nutrition.
Leviticus 23:22 "When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and for the foreigner residing among you. I am the Lord your God"
Hate to break it to you guys but even if baiting is banned it's still going to happen. Baiting has been banned for years since CWD and yet when season starts every single gas station has piles of bait. We own several properties and ALL of our neighbors still bait. And 1 CO per 3 counties, they can enforce it. A ban on baiting only hurts the select few that actually follow the law. And benefits those still bait even more..
The millions of bait piles thrown along fences & property lines will stop a lot of it!!! Drones make it super easy as well. Lot of folks who don’t want to bait but only do it because “I have to to keep deer around” will stop too. It’s illegal in iowa but a few still do it. Pretty rare though & folks that do usually get busted.
I live in Vermont and you cannot bait deer! We do not have CWD! FYI!
Food plots are baiting. More healthy for the deer generally compared to bagged corn. But still baiting. Corn isn't magic. And its not "ruining" hunting. How do you tell a land owner they can't put out bagged feed? And how do you enforce it, without violating their 4th Amendment?
One is hard work and dedication, the other is dumping a bag... Don't try to compare them to justify it,
It's pretty easy to enforce... States all over the country don't allow baiting and people get clipped all over the place for doing it illegally.
@Masonjar94 this isn't about hard work. No one should care how others hunt, unless it's poaching. Baiting has been around for a hundred years, it's easier now because of mass production. Consider the reasons you care so much about how others put meat in the freezer.
@@Masonjar94you ever carry thirty 50 lb bags of corn to a feeder in the south in September? 🤣
@@SwampDonkey07 I carry bags of corn to feed my cattle. You probably carry them in the bed of a side by side…..
Now there are talks about the Michigan DNR bringing back baiting to part of the state.
Oh really??
Worst state in country wants to make sure they keep that title!!!?!? What a joke. I hope that’s not right. Former MI guy here & such a shame how that resource is managed.
@@Iowa_Whitetail there were some positive suggestions as well pertaining to APRS and bring down the two buck limit. Nothing has been decided yet. I doubt the MI DNR will allow baiting in certain areas because of how it would complicating law enforcement and cause potential for CWD outbreaks.
@@Iowa_WhitetailMI hunting is 5 x better than it was 10 years ago.
That’s great to hear !!!! Why do you feel the reasons for the improvement?
Baiting for turkeys is not legal in OHIO-I looked it up this year "it is illegal to hunt wild turkeys with bait in Ohio during the 2024 spring turkey season. This includes hunting in or over a baited area, which is considered baited for 10 days after all bait has been removed."
Still people can bait during the season if they don’t hunt turkeys
It hasn't ever been legal to bait turkeys in OH. There are only a handful of states. Might be just TX and KS where u can
Are you guys old enough to have hunted when baiting was illegal? Here’s a hint - your neighbor is going to bait whether you like it or not. So you’re going to go from complaining about legal baiting to complaining about illegal baiting.
Ooooohhhh you're gonna upset them
Why don't you guys do other content? Like gym days, cooking videos, gear videos, crazy stories videos like how'd Jared lose his finger? Dude I'm 33 and have the craziest stories from the 90s I'm about to start making videos about. People wanna hear about this stuff lol lucky us.
Haha we know but this one was a long time coming
Because all they care about is rules and regulations, the separation of hunters and expressing their communist hunting views.
@@HUNTRPOD spill them beans. Battle scars and war stories. We love it bro. For da boys. Lol
Should just start trying to form co-ops with your nieghbors a folks in the area where y’all agree to either not bait or atleast manage for a certain age class of bucks. If all these people want bigger bucks an no baiting, it should be easy to get all these like minded hunters in your area onboard
That makes more sense than lobbying for an outright ban. Issue seems to me though, most people spending obscene amounts of money on rural ground, aren't from the area. They are folks from the city, displacing the natives. It ain't anything new, its happened here before.
2:34:50 you cant find one legal case in PA where anything relating to trail cameras has been used against a hunter who did anything illegal. Youre kind of freaking out about nothing
That rule wasnt put in place for the turkeys
this statement in from Ohio regs. "it is illegal to hunt wild turkeys with bait in Ohio during the 2024 spring turkey season. This includes hunting in or over a baited area, which is considered baited for 10 days after all bait has been removed."
Ohio manages its deer herd for 1 thing only$$$$.
Well there are a lot of fools out there spending their kids college fund so that they can show off them horns.
Where’s my hat ????
Get rid of non resident deer outfitters.
Let’s not act like children.
Should be more concerned about those that use Scripture to market or try to promote a self serving agenda
I think you need to look up the numbers on pa They are losing hunters
A lot of the doe discussions but here in hocking county ohio we can only kill two deer one buck on doe or two does
Yep for sure limitations
Hocking county has become a tourist destination. If I owned property there I would rent it out as a B&B and live camping from one state park to the next. That is in the heart of all of the public land
@@toddstewart9437 already have three cabins on 200 acres but easier said then done when this is home you know
3:04:30 yall regularly underestimate how large of a bubble the baby boomer population group is, especially in the hunting community. Please explore yourselves how large of a chunk of everything they still are. Basically no matter what we do, we are going to lose hundreds of thousands of hunters in almost every state.
Now why do you see so many more hunters in states/areas you didnt before? Its never ever been easier to hunt new ground. Between baiting, mapping technology, cameras, and social media. Hunters can be 100times better today at hunting than ever before
Ban baiting,its NOT hunting..Everyone has lost what hunting is all about..
Baiting is as old as hunting... almost all human hunters have baited, not baiting is a new idea. Proliferate by people who aren't even hunters they are deer farmers who get upset when their pets leave their property to rut....
@@lukevanlanen8828 because they made all of their own equipment. They didn’t have a crossbow that can shoot 100 yards
@@Masonjar94 sure, but then why not blame crossbows or modern bows? Why say baiting is the issue?
Hunting was lost when it became about my deer has more inches than yours.
@toddstewart9437 yep
Michigan band baiting are lost over 20% of hunters
The loss of hunters in MI a started way way way before removing bait. That trend is 25 years old now. MI added every weapon. Crossbows, straight walls, etc. Added seasons. Added more antlerless licenses. The only thing taken away was bait. But they “gave the hunters everything” & hunters been quitting. Nothing to do with bait. Has far more to do with: “hunting sucks” & “no where to go”. I lived there 20 years. Worst managed state in Midwest. It sucks. & the only hope is tying a bunch of land up…. Which hurts access for everyday guy. Until the hunting quality & experience improves- not gonna come back. Implement a 1 buck rule & move gun back 10-14 days & MI would be a quality state.
@Iowa_Whitetail Got a lot to do with bait it got banned 15 years ago. Now the state is considering bringing it back. Because so many people do it anywayes. There's no point of having a law that nobody follows.
What about the out of state hunters fee being so low and coming to Ohio and shooting 4 points because they can’t do that in there state
The problem is that non resident still foot the majority of the bill in Ohio because landowners don’t pay for licenses
@@HUNTRPOD"majority "? Your getting closer to reality instead of pushing that 70% BS. However, the reality is residents pay the majority.
Lmao , xbow pride month 😂😂😂😂😂
These two nobodies will change a thing. It’s nice to have a dream though. 😂
I wouldn’t bet on the nobody’s having zero effect
@@HUNTRPODI wasn’t referring to yens.
@@HUNTRPOD we have our own farms to hunt but when I was in college I hunted Wayne National and I always wished there was more public access. Seems like there are only a handful of place to park and every walks all over each other. As far as corn piles and cameras I stand with ole Mike Rex. Ohio is top notch as far as trophy’s. We could do better but at the sacrifice of loosing hunters.
I'm putting thousands of dollars into creating food plots believe me I don't want to buy corn to throw it on the ground. I want the deer to go to my food plots. In Ohio I have to put corn out to keep some deer on the property. This year i planted 3 acres of corn at my house in PA so i don't have to buy corn from the store to maintain baiting in season. I would love to not have to bait
I like how they said they will make up whatever they can to get what they want. Unbelievable we need hunters to come together and fight guys like this to keep baiting legal
@dannyhall7656 I'm not for baiting coming from a non bait state but I agree with ya,these 2 guys are outta line.
2:49:45 yall do sound an awful lot like fly fishing purists sometimes
Spot on. And while I am pretty certain that, if I catch a 3 pound rainbow using a worm under a bobber, that the fly rod user downstream from me isn't going to cry "foul". For one thing, in Ohio, the rainbows are farm raised thereby tainting the idea of a wild and free and natural experience of native fly fishing(if that's even a concept). The fly fisherman can shrug at it and say to each his own, its just laughable to me that compound users automatically think that they work the hardest at harvesting a deer. These 2 don't even process all of the venison they harvest, "because it's a lot of work " gtfo
The problem with corn piles everybody is shooting younger. Nice bucks and it is hurting the older class deer because they can never make it that far being able to Walk to any corn pile at a younger age ..3 to 5 years won't be no big bucks around like used to be Just stop in season baiting
And yet the age structure in Ohio trends towards having older bucks. How can this be? Maybe, and I'm not a biologist here, but maybe its because Ohio has always been a one antlered deer state. If the state wanted to protect the bucks they should start by requiring a person to be 12 years of age to hunt deer.
corn kills traditional ecosystems and free-range deer farmers will do a lot of mental gymnastics to distance themselves from their current tactics taking away from the challenge that got them started. segmenting archery seasons based on the ease of mastery of the equipment would be nice, bare traditional bows having the longest season compounds shorter and crossbows having the narrowest window, similar idea to some of the newer muzzle-loader restrictions fighting modern muzzle-loader technology.
I mean the idea of not baiting to hunt would be new. Bait has been used as long as humans have hunted just so you are aware
@@lukevanlanen8828 i dont disagree that some folks use bait or have used bait; more so cells cams, bows with cams, side by sides with cams. i just think modern corn is a terrible plant for the environment and in a separate note hunting more simply is more rewarding and needs to be balanced with giving folks who do more during their season more season.
@anotheryoutuber_ I agree Corn now it so modified I won't even eat it.
@daveyboy8907 just to be clear, hunting and baiting are not driving the genetic modification of corn or large-scale monocrop agriculture... so banning baiting has nothing to do with this argument. Also, field corn and sweet corn are two different things. People bait with field corn, people eat sweet corn. It's just a silly comment tbh.
That's what we need, Hunters attacking other hunters' ways of hunting. It's bad enough the anti-hunters and media attack hunters now hunters are attacking hunters. Anything a human put in the ground, on top of the ground, on a limb, on a post to attract and hold deer to hunt hem is baiting. Food plots, food piles, feeders, mock scrapes, water tubs, deer urine they are all baiting. There is a direct correlation with the increase in CWD and the increase in food plots and mock scrapes. Food plots concentrate deer 365 days urinating and defecating all over the plot and feeding after each other spreading disease like wildfire and more deer hit the food plots than a food pile. In addition, every bird and mammal are doing the same thing in those food plots. Countless deer licking the same licking branch at a mock scrape spreads disease so fast it's mind boggling. Maybe we should have all the public land hunters write the Council and demand food plots be illegal because of disease spread and because it causes more deer to be on private land than public land, thus ruining public land hunting. To enforce no baiting the state will have to have inspectors walk every foot of private land repeatedly during hunting season to make sure private landowners aren't violating the regs, I'm sure landowners will love inspectors walking all over their land during hunting season totally unannounced to ensure compliance. I own hunting land and I don't use food plots, nor food piles, nor mock scrapes because I don't want to spread animal diseases. I would prefer my neighbors followed suit but I'm not a control freak thinking I have the right to tell other land owners what to do and police them. Why does any landowner want to increase the governments rights and decrease their rights on their own land.
For spite for what they perceive their neighbors are doing to their investment. Apparently, unless NRs are told what not to do at every turn they will rape and pillage the land. Its easy for them to do since they don't reside there.
Get rid of baits get rid of cameras give bow hunters. Crossbow and gun hunters 2 weeks to tag out done
1:00:58 ive got time to practice with a compound, however i never will, crossbows are the most ethical form of archery harvests, that matters more to be than the archery communities ego
Ban baiting. Food plots. Trail cams. Crossbows. Get back 2 what hunting is about.
Lol at these 2 advocates. Their website starts off about this being about God. It then states it’s cores issues. Baiting is the only issue listed. It then lists all these negative impacts caused by baiting. But it never mentions the reason they are trying to get rid of baiting, because they feel it’s hurting the big buck hunting. They are so disingenuous. The website is a joke.
@user-nt7ni2xd8h , and the reason they want to protect big bucks is because big bucks=even bigger bucks when they go to sell their recreational hunting land to the highest bidder. Kevin Mullett was offering a 5 acre hayfield last year for $165,000 because he had pictures of big bucks on camera on the property over corn piles no less. I guess that was before he seen the light and decided that corn piles had to go.
"Unless you put in the time and effort of a food plot and manage large tracts of land, you don't deserve the opportunity of the hunt" . Without even listening to this podcast, am i close to the content? Funny how biased you all are in your narrow narrative. Maybe look at the data instead of repeating the false narrative. PROVE ME WRONG
theyre private land owners in a shitty state...ANY and ALL baiting needs to go, food plots arent much better
I feel like nobody should be able to tell me what I can and can’t do on my own property. I don’t bait, haven’t since I was about 16. I have private property that I don’t plant green fields or anything on, all I do is bushogg access points and hang stands, no mineral, no greens fields and no bait. But I still feel like should I want to dump 500lbs of corn on it then that’s my decision to do so and not anyone else’s.
@@thelzmovement6480 i can understand that, i dont agree with baiting, but if its your land i agree with the principle
People have lost the meaning and feeling of what hunting is all about.Its sad actually@stdavis22
@@daveyboy8907 I agree, between cell cams and baiting, its all about doing anything you can to increase your odds of shooting antlers to put on your wall to sit next to all the other antlers on your wall. No woodsmanship involved
Yall have really began to question cell cams. I’m on the same page. Used the shit out of them but I’ve run so many that I’m wondering how much they help me…from a mostly public land hunter. Starting to be way too many of them littered around the woods.
Crossbows are huge in Ohio. Harvest would be reduced dramatically if they were illegal. If I sent you a picture of my 2 neighbors that shot nice bucks with crossbows last year you would see that those guys are not picking up a compound bow to shoot a deer. It's probably not even possible for them. It would flat elimnate a bunch of hunters in Ohio who would more than likely just go back to gun hunting. (which crossbow hunting is pretty close to gun hunting
I disagree that the harvest would be reduced. The harvest would just be concentrated in the firearms season where hunters are pressured to shoot at anything due to the brevity of the season which DECREASES age structure. Read the annual summary and look at the trends and show me where I'm wrong.
Spot on Jonathan. WI opened up the crossgun, to archery. Many that didn't want to work for a deer, or only gun hunter, now picked up a crossgun.
Hammered the buck population. Been on this property since 1962, seen all the changes, and most were not for the good.
Crossguns were allowed for over 65, and those with a class A disabled permit. Now, any swinging dick, can use a crossgun.
Crossbow is no where near a gun.
You must not have shot a crossbow or a gun
My point is you can be 150 lbs overweight and shoot a gun or a crossbow. Your probably not able to shoot a compound bow
@@jonathanleinbach4063 lol you ever see T bone shoot from bone collector??
2:40:12 crossbows are the most ethical form of archery harvest, and just because you can shoot 100 yards (which you can do with modern compounds, happens at every competition) unless youre sitting on a field edge, or a complete moron, youre shooting under 50 yards everytime just like with a compound. Its not possible to shoot 100 yards in the woods even with a crossbow 99% of the time
Your issues with how they’re used has more to do with how the individual hunter uses them. And dumb unethical hunters have always existed. Its why so many hunters are against semi auto rifles in PA. People being dumb with them risking other hunter lives. Dumb hunters have always and will always exist
Using a crossbow simply is not bow hunting. Sorry, not sorry
One could also argue that modern compounds are also not bow hunting. Same thing as saying modern inline isn't muzzleloader hunting
The data and arguments contradict themselves so much. So there’s apparently to many deer, right? There’s also less hunters, right? So please explain how corn piles and cell cameras are decimating the deer herd IF we have less hunters and to many deer? Yall hunt private land and can’t provide ONE case study that shows corn piles are wiping out the deer herd. It’s all personal. You guys have target bucks you spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on food plots and thousands of dollars on trail cameras. THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE ON 1 Acre will shoot the deer your after over a corn pile makes you so angry and stressed that you guys go on for hours ranting about banning baiting.
Let’s have an unbiased opinion here if you guys want to truly have a voice.
Let’s look at this from another angle. If you want to be truly unbiased ban food plots that aren’t used for AG use and ban bait piles. The deer herd was doing just fine well before you decided to start putting in food plots. So please explain to me how deer that you’re literally going to kill benefit from a food plot but not from a corn pile. Your only argument is the ego that spends countless hours and tons of money to make your bait pile.
This whole argument about cell cameras is even worse. Ohio is a 1 buck state. The regs that we have in place make us a state that is still killing more giants than 95% other states! Who cares if a guy runs a cell camera? You guys sit there in front of this camera and walk around in circles contradicting yourself at every turn. THE DATA AND FACTS are saying different. I’m an Ohio resident lived here my whole life. I believe they should go to a draw state. If you don’t reside here you need to draw to hunt here. Baiting is not the problem, cell cameras are not the problem. The problem with hunting is people like you guys! 😂 You buy up land and turn this into a money sport and believe you’re more important than everyone else. Oh yeah we need more hunters but let’s screw all of the guys that don’t have the time or resources to build a fucking food plot. I’m sure that’s going to generate more hunters. Let’s keep buying all of the land that way we can lease it out to the rich guys. Hunting is a humbling thing it’s a natural thing and idiots like you believe you’re more entitled than everyone else. NEWS FLASH “baiting” has been used FOREVER. I hunt 90% of the time public land how about we address how terrible public land hunting is. We want to generate more hunters but you guys sit there and talk about private land as if every hunter actually owns private land that they can actually hunt.
My urban hunting experience would be terrible without baiting. I'd hope if they ever did ban baiting they would still allow it in city hunting. Took a 133 inch on 1 acre last year because bait.
They're are saying if you're passionate enough about it you'll figure something else out so your not hunting 1 acre without bait and I agree. Once you take the easy button away the people who really want it will still find a way
@@StrapAssassin11 Did you read the part where it says Urban as in in the city with a permit. There is not many properties over a few acres in the cities. I hunt in 2 states and on multiple properties big and small. Urban is an exception to baiting being negative. Nobody has big properties that you would be pulling them from other than some corporate lands that don't allow hunting.
I guess that would put a premium on finding the good "natural movement" urban properties wouldn't it?@@kohenmossor3549
Same thing all over iowa on little urban properties. No bait. Guys do amazing & love it. Natural trails & movement. Acorns, browse, trails, etc. Absolutely zero NEED for bait to kill deer. Often too many deer & why the urban hunting is allowed. Absolutely doable to consistently kill good bucks or does with any reasonable hunting skills
@@Iowa_Whitetail I like having the ability to pull them off the non hunting areas with bait. I hunt natural moving deer all over when it comes to big farms in the country. Urban is a situation where there is less of an argument against baiting is what I'm getting at. There are no big land owners. Everyone is hunting small micro properties. They want the deer dead, and it's a very good way to get them dead. Also makes better shot selection in a situation that shot selection is very serious. I wouldn't even hunt that one acre without baiting. A ton of guys would give up on the urban and that's not what they want to accomplish. I have better properties to hunt in the country.
It's easier to kill a big buck using game cameras than bait piles. You big buck hunters live and die buy the camera. You guys would be lost without the camera and you success rate would drop.
And to the one of you that doesn’t like SD cams…not sure of your experience on them vs cell but my experience is many deer and especially mature bucks pick up on something from cell cams on video mode…year after year my SD cams have significantly more traffic and repeat bucks.
This is across many different brands. My reveals seem to be the worst as far as alerting deer.
small food plots are no different,..in fact more effective.
Here's an idea Jeremy, try to understand the other side of the issue instead of being pretentious and thinking that the other side doesn't care about the resource. Just because its not our profession, doesn't mean we aren't educated.
No one is saying you aren’t educated, potentially that you don’t care about the resource as much possible
What is your definition of “caring about the resource”
@@user-nt7ni2xd8h, additionally, what is the definition of "resource"?
@@HUNTRPOD, I concede that I am no where near as financially invested in deer hunting as you are. Not.
Even.
Close.
And that seems to be the issue. Hunting to me is feeding friends and family. Trophy hunting is all about feeding one's ego. Put up a fence and solve the problem. Then you can "care about the resource "; control the "resource "; spend whatever obscene amount of money on shooting "mega-tine-saurus" or whatever this years target is named, I care.
"I think", "I feel", "I don't know". But you're all sure that "the corn piles need to go" cuz their the devil.
Don’t hunt ohio.
You guys still on this baiting kick I hate to break it to you baiting never gonna go away. Some people just aren’t good hunters help them to put meat in their freezer. Maybe that’s a big part of their lifestyle. Just trying to survive then you got used to guys, whining and crying I’ve never heard more about a subject than used two. Looks to me like used to are looking for clout and trying to fatten that wallet by selling properties that you manage or any other way shape or form that comes in just an opinion good luck, fellas.
Take away cell phones, and video games from kids and the license sales would skyrocket
Spot on
From South Dakota. Hunting would suck if bait8ng was legal because guys like the doctor who neighbor my land would be able to afford however much corn they could dream of but i cant afford any corn. So his 160 acres would be loaded with deer taken off of my land because i cant afford what that guy can.
I think cell cams are worse than bait. Guys can sit on their couch in Indiana and monitor deer in PA in real time. Pretty soon they'll have Harry Potter invisibility cloaks and be drone lifted to their trees.
Why don’t yall just put fences up around your properties and just grow the deer. You’re running 50-60 cell cameras a year, Putting in food plots why not just go the extra mile and put a fence around the property? yall can manage your own deer herd you can grow the deer. You can keep your foot plots and a corn pile won’t ever affect you again.
When will you out of state hunters stop beating a dead horse?! You guys moan an groan more about Ohio then anyone I know who lives in Ohio. The main issue in Ohio isn’t corn piles, crossbows, or hunting with straight wall rifles. The main issue is access and that goes for the entire state it isn’t county by county. Out of state hunters have such a hard on for Ohio they don’t care the price to lease land. They need to make Ohio a draw state an you watch the access open up like crazy again. All of you out of state hunters will drop your lease not knowing if you’re getting a tag. I think probably the best thing about your guys podcast is that you complain about corn piles but yet several times have said you guys have corn piles on your Ohio properties. You complain about cell cameras but yet you have cell cameras. If your so much against these things why are you using them to your benefit?
U guys sound like Biden
Amen!
Baiting is welfare for hunters, now who are the problem
@@HUNTRPOD You democrats that think everyone should hunt your way... meanwhile your baiting yourself, planting micro food plots..and shooting a compound with 90% let off with a trigger release.. your real f'n special dude.
@HUNTRPOD that's true but to bait yourself even though you are against it isn't cool at all.Make a stand against it and don't bait just because everyone around you does..Karma is real and you will shoot the biggest buck out of them all.lol
@@daveyboy8907 That isnt how liberal democrats work, they want to do what they want to do... but stop others from doing it. Might even delete your comments when you strike a nerve.
Cry baby’s
Speaking of welfare, Jeremy, has that CRP check arrived yet?
lol no and sorry just trying to create better habitat for deer…nice try but far from welfare. Did you get a tax refund? 😂
@@HUNTRPOD, actually I paid a balance due at the end of the year. I don't believe in loaning the government my money. CRP money is from the Farm Bill which is to benefit farmers. Or, in your case, professional deer ranchers. Its nice of y'all to lock up land and lock out locals to "protect the resource". With friends like that, who needs enemas?
Hate to break it to you guys but even if baiting is banned it's still going to happen. Baiting has been banned for years since CWD and yet when season starts every single gas station has piles of bait. We own several properties and ALL of our neighbors still bait. And 1 CO per 3 counties, they can enforce it. A ban on baiting only hurts the select few that actually follow the law. And benefits those still bait even more..
This is a fact
But trust me I'm with you guys... totally want it banned myself.