The MeatEater Podcast | The Musky Wars with Larry Ramsell Ep. 568
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- Steven Rinella talks with Larry Ramsell, Ryan Callaghan, Chester Floyd, Brody Henderson, Seth Morris, Phil Taylor, and Corinne Schneider.
Topics discussed: Books by the reel musky expert; the man at the end of the line; if we didn’t have catch and release for muskies, we’d have fried them all; all muskies all the time; two different species?; the best way to handle a musky; the world record wars; contextualizing and challenging the "musky manifesto"; photometry; how live sonar can educate; standing against spearing and catching through the ice; tiger muskies; and more.
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As an avid musky angler from wisconsin and a wannnabe scholar of all things musky I thoroughly enjoyed this episode!
I’m reminded of an advertisement on the In fisherman show years ago.
Two guys in a boat hear a lady yelling something from a dock, they move in to see what’s the matter.
She screams that a musky ate her Muffy! (Dog or maybe a cat).
One of the guys reply’s, What color was he!😂
That was a dog and it was Larry Dahlberg asking her. Awesome!
Larry supports our kids muskie camps put on by the Youth Conservation Alliance in Hayward, WI. He selflessly guides and mentors countless young anglers and we love him for it!
I would listen to Larry talk about Muskies till my ears fall off. Hes helped me start my passion for them!
I dont usually listen to podcasts about fishing or hunting but this was incredible
Very cool! Larry is Old School Wisconsin fisherman. Musky fishing is like hunting, it takes knowledge, ETHICS and perseverance to be successful. Do your homework before fishing (even if you aren’t musky fishing) on how to handle & release a musky properly, what tools you need.
I balloon fish for them and I love it like nothing else. Besides hunting, even though you muskie fishing is hunting
This might just be my favorite episode I've watched yet.
I love that Dick Pearson was mentioned. Great interview Larry!!
Glad you guys touched on muskie
As an avid Musky fisherman from Ontario, this was a top notch listen. Thanks Larry!
HE'S 82 AND THAT SHARP? Impressive
He should run for president
Fishing will do that to you
@@logschu Ramsell Cassellman 2024
Nah... he's a grumpy old fart who doesn't want anyone chasing after his favorite fish. These things aren't in at any risk of population loss
He's the musky OG
Best Podcast on the internet! thanks guys.
This is GOLD! I first heard of Larry about 1990 (Musky Hunter Magazine) read some of his writings & this is the 1st time I've ever heard him speak or saw him other than photo's. So proud to hear him truth on FFS aka Livescope=X-box spotlighting for fish. It could well do to freshwater fishing what railroads did to the Buffalo heards without the wonderful benefits that railroads brings to us. True FFS/Livescope technology should be available to fisheries management people & scientist etc for research.
I once went down to the local dock to find a distraught woman, she was sobbing something fierce. She said her little dog was swimming and was attacked by a large Musky. I knelt down digging through my tackle box asking what color her dog was. After fighting her off I went to the local bait shop to buy a new rod, how ungrateful could a person be?
Straight outta The Great Musky Hunt by In-Fisherman; thank you Larry Dahlberg!
@@snakeriverscotto I've heard the joke before but couldn't remember it, made up some parts lol.
I think Steve had a issue with a Larry and he couldn't hide it.
I just want to say I love the podcast. Greetings from here in Michigan. Thanks for the great content.
Thank you so much for Larry on your podcast! There is a lot of knowledge and stories in that man. I feel this episode only skimmed the surface!
Why it assumed every muskie fishers goal is monster muskie? Seems to trump the meat aspect of the fish. It feels like the discussion of management is how to make them bigger opposed to stable usage.
Awesome podcast Larry was so good! Had me smiling and laughing non stop!
imagine all of this conservation for a chain pickerel or pike. the musky culture is odd
Well people do have “this” convo for pike lmao everything from the need of proper handling and sonar destroying both their prey and them from over fishing. It’s just Muskie are bigger and not in as many lakes. People also worry about trophy gar and tarpon. To each their own
Pike are WAY more common than musky. That's the difference, and thus the difference in conservation ethic. Musky are at the top of the food chain in their body of water, meaning that they are the lowest-density fish. That's a key reason they deserve special attention.
@Fingolfin3423 I think its because musky are the easiest fish to catch and that's why they need conservation? So many videos of boatside eats when people are just messing around
Living near the Bone lake he mentioned in northwest Wisconsin. It has become quite the hot topic to local fisherman. I believe the limit now is 1 over 45" or 50" not sure but somewhere in that range. Spearing is allowed amongst the local native tribe and many believe they have been overtaking their limit. However, I do know they report their harvest to the wi dnr. However, that doesn't mean crap(wi dnr is suspect at best)...lol. I just found it interesting that my neck of the woods made it into the episode. Thanks for another great guest and podcast.
Bone lake = speared out.
They have absolutely raped and pillaged the musky fisheries in northern Wisconsin
Tribal spearing has decimated most lakes it takes place on. It's horrible for all parties involved. It's incredibly senseless and ignorant. I don't know how this discussion is in other states, but it's a major problem in Wisconsin. This is one reason lots of musky anglers travel to Minnesota and Canada to pursue larger and "more bountiful" musky.
Chet’s lead weights comment was way too under appreciated! 59:34
They were giving him the side eye, like let's pretend we didn't hear that... lol
The esteemed Mr. Ramsell is a personal friend of mine, and I couldn't BEGIN to relate some of the history I've heard.
We used to go to Lac Seul for northerns & caught a few small muskies. Using barb-less hooks helped in the catch & release
The song at the end is the best! I love fishing lures too!
It had a very Weird-Al feel to it, was pleasantly surprised by it.
I don't musky fish, people actually hate them around where I live but I love the outdoors and really like these podcasts with experienced, interesting and passionate people. People like Larry are people we need to listen and learn from if we want the outdoors to continue for generations. This was a great listen.
This Podcast came at the perfect time! Ive seen some monsters up here in the Chain of Lakes in Bellaire, Michigan, And have been wanting to have a go at catching a musky! Honestly never even considered the actually handling of the fish, if i get so lucky! Learned alot here, and doing some research now!
Love your podcast. I’m from Ottawa Canada (eastern Ontario) and we have a great musky location on the Ottawa River where the nation river feeds into it. So many Americans come here annually for the musky. On a side note, if you’re an avid fisherman you need to treat yourself at least once in your lifetime to visit lake of the woods Kenora Ontario!!! It must be at least considered an anglers paradise. Not to mention one of the absolutely most beautiful places on earth.
Loved it
The immediate talk about getting old and having to put a magnifier in your peep makes me feel so seen. Started shooting again last month and noticed it was happening to me too
Great stuff.
Couldn't agree more on the part about fish finders being too advanced now. Especially for musky fishing. How is that even fun when the hunt is done on a screen? Ridiculous
In the south Tn , i have a good friend that told me that musky is call a 1000 cast fish
10,000
When catch and release was first used for preservation of steelhead, we used to use a hole punch to mark the fishes tail, then we knew if it had been caught before 🎣 🐟😎👍
Super interesting. Glad I’m home sick today…..
So what happened with the verifier/clarifier and the hog? Looking to get one myself as those pins are getting more blurry by the season. Sure don't want to draw back on a 180" whitetail and miss. :D
There is an old wives tale from west Michigan about the naming of the town Muskegon. One day a traveler was paddling down a river and arrived at a lake. On the shore of this lake was a village and as they paddled they saw an Indian standing on the shore. They called to him asking where they were and the Indian pointed at the lake and said in broken English "musky gone."
That was Awsome.
You can take a tarpon under 40" out of the water, for bigger tarpon the closest you can do picking one up is beach benching one.
I wish more people would take a video camera and record their musky catches. Then upload the video so I can live thru them for a brief moment... I watch em all. 👍🏼
Lord have mercy this dude knows it ALL about Muskies.
I cought a relatively small northern pike 25 ish, with a chipmunk in its belly. I have no doubt the "squirl bait" technique would work.
I've seen a muskie take down a seagull and eat it
Well I feel like an idiot. Definitely going to be more careful handling Muskies from now on. Think the big I pulled in was around 52” at my cottage by Eagle River, definitely not pulling them out of the water again.
I agree with the old man on everything he says
I went on a charter on lake st clair for musky we went all the to the mouth o g the thames river. The captian had this big clear box with fresh flowing water on board and each of the muskie were put in the tank until their fins were no longer red. The musky guys on lake st clair do the most for their species
Where is larry Dahlberg mention
Work in Hayward, just passed the bar they are talking about. Lol
Larry is a treasure in the Musky community. He and some other long time members of that community have disputed those old records for many years. So many things about them don't add up. But I will say this, as a former Fisheries Research Scientist, that given we have had catch-and-release at 90-100% for close to 30 years now on Muskies, and yet not ONE fish has been caught even approaching those fish caught by Spray and Johnson, in spite of the release rate, in spite of better tackle, better electronics, better boats, more remote areas being fished and spite of numerous stocking programs...if it was truly possible for Muskies to reach that length and weight, wouldn't ONE have been caught by now at least approaching one of those old records? Secondly, in spite of all those things mentioned, not ONE fish even remotely close to those sizes has been caught in those same waters the records came from since they were caught in the 1950's! Not ONE even close....I rest my case.
The only person I’ve heard say hammer handle referring to pike besides my dad and grandfather.
My neighbors cat growing up was named Muskie bc when it was little the father wanted to use it for bait
I really enjoyed this episode! I would really like to hear Craig Boddington do a caliber rundown. I don’t think anyone has tested more cartridges than that man. 6.5 on elk? 6.8 western? 26-33 nosler? I feel like that man has shot them all and i would like to know what he feels. I know it’s preference but I don’t think there is a man that has stood behind more rifles than him.
how much is a fish like those record fish eat ?
Let's go roll call Ontario! 🇨🇦
The right genetics in the right waters.
Anyone who doesnt think FFS EXPONENTIALLY increases your odds of catching open water muskies, is ignorant. It's a phenomal and extremely informative tool. But, it needs to be used with extreme caution and thus far, peoples egos are winning.
hahaha the thumbnail changed into an actual musky!!!!
That was great. Larry reminds me of an old-timer I hang out with. No bullshit.
You should have Niklaus Bauer on for fly fishing pike in Sweden. Great fisherman and very knowledgeable.
@1:17:10, I feel like Cal was making a "My Cousin Vinny" reference
Hey did i miss the kids podcast i thougt it was supposed to come out july 5th?
Pro Guide Pete Mania has great vids on how to safely handle a musky.
Gotta be one of the best podcasts you guys have done! Larry is a rock star! Such a likeable dude! And Steven Rinella, you weren’t getting anything by him! He has to be the most knowledgeable guy regarding his sport-musky fishing and knowledge of musky! And so much humour! Love your podcast and this has to. E one of the best!! Keep ‘em coming!
I have been fish since I was a youngster. I still have a hard time handling musky..
82 and WAY sharper than Biden is at the same age. This guy is a treasure
In the U.P. we say "da flowage".
The thing I hate about Musky fishing is that they do not release well. They are extremely fragile compared to their Pike cousins and other sport fish species. I was obsessed for years but rarely target them now because of that. I hate to think about how many I've caught that may not have survived.
Correct me if Im wrong but I believe you boys may have confused the word strain with phenotype.
Im surprised you guys moved the podcast over to this channel,which only has less than 10,000 subs, meanwhile the main Meateater channel has over 1.4 million im sure the viewership has dropped dramatically
It could be upping the traffic to this lesser-performing channel…
The expert , doesn't mention Indiana for muskie,but we have tiger muskies,and I have caught and released a very nice one here in NE Indiana! To completely skip our state to Kentucky makes no sense to me! I am by no means a expert ,just a fisherman !
The thumbnail picture for this vid seems like some kind of ai generated fish between a salmon and a pike
Why does he have a salmon jaw
My anxiety went away as soon as I saw your comment. Thank you
I see what you're talking about. But I think it's just a skinny pike photo taken at a funny angle
@@michaelsaks3610nah that’s not a real fish bro
I came back because I was thinking about it. Check out the Tennessee record musky, he’s got a weird lookin jaw, not quite salmon or trout, if I had to describe it it would be a pug and a musky had a baby but it retained all the fish attributes and the short face of a pug
That was truly and incredible episode. Larry was fantastic to listen too, and his knowledge on the subject combined with his lively humor was a joy to listen/watch.
💀💀💀Me waiting for new Meat Eater episodes.💀💀💀
Let's GOOOOOO
Im eating one if i catch one. My chances are .069%.
They TASTE GREAT!! Sorry Larry😂
I usually hate Pikes cus they ruin my soft plastic frogs while I’m Bassin but I’ll gladly take a 40 inch Musky to make it worth the bite 😅
15 mins in and yall have forgotten ALOT of states with muskie or tiger muskie in em.....like mine in colorado with some record contenders having been caught and released in our state lakes.
Washington state, Idaho, Oregon may not have Muskies, but Tigers yes.
I'm 84 and not a Musky fisherman but it seems to me with all the talk about proper handling of fish and mortaiity, barbless hooks may be a possible answer. I know howls will go op that it would be impossible to catch fish but it would reduce mortality I would think. Right after I wrote this posr barbless was mentioned. Oh well, old fart should listen to whole podcast before posting.
@58:00 I can’t imagine having my life in such correct order to have enough time and energy left over to care so much about something so trivial. IE I wonder what suffers for him to care so much about a Musky War. It’s supposed to be a hobby you enjoy when the important shit is taken care of. WE GOT WEIGHTS IN FISH! smdh
Catch a fish, either eat it or enjoy the experience and throw it back…. The entire conversation is about justification of ego instead of enjoyment of fishing.
Definition: The god mode is a type of cheat in video games that makes your character invulnerable and invincible. Change the event: The god mode is a type of using cheats in fishing that makes you invulnerable and invincible.
Is this the gentleman they said they wanted on some time back but they thought he may be too old? I’m so excited and I’m only a moment in!!!! Yea boys!
30 some yrs ago i caught illegally, 52 and 38 inch took them home and ate them ,they where really good in Wisconsin
Larry more or less confirmed what steve was saying about the musky world being full of elitist gatekeepers. Heaven forbid a *GASP* bass fisherman should handle one of their sacred fish
Bajajajajaja i live 45 mins from Chautauqua
I'm an old fart wearing +1.50 reading glasses, how far along are the Muskie wars?
Edit -- OMG that got good real quick.
It's a privilege to become an older hunter & fisherman.
The reason the a “fragile “ they live there whole lives under water and their necks are never supporting their entire weight. Take them out of water and they are flopping around being held by the mouth or gill plate. They are not built for that.
I really dislike these old farts complaining. All they want to do is ruin fishing for everyone else.
I agree, these fish are listed as Least Concern. Calm the hell down grandpa
Gord Pyzer know his stuff. Not just Muskie but most fresh water fish
The environmental impacts on genetics is known as epigenetics!
They run fish lsc wonder if and how many die because of it. Doesn't sound like a good idea
That guy is awesome
livescope fishing?thermal sites hunting deer?
from illinois, go to northern wisco... to the rest of you. Stay the hell home. Nothing worse than a fib up here,
With the livescope argument, there has to be a line in the sand drawn. The "it's just another tool" argument isn't great, especially that we know AI integration tech is next. Drones aren't allowed for hunting. Same idea
In the digital world that is called cheat codes or team god mode. Amature to proffesional.
Theres a musky guide in Minnesota named tanner talbot. I found him on TikTok and he catches tons of giant fish. Well i got sucked into a rabbit hole and turns out he fishes for those fish in the summer that are 40+ feet deep and he’s killed a lot of really big muskys. Hes not liked by a ton of people in the musky fishing world
Lol my grandpa used to use kittens as Muskie bait, reminds me of the chipmunk story at the beginning 😂
Interesting fish but nowhere near as vicious as say a king mackerel.
This is interesting. My dad has been doing taxidermy since he was 12. He has never been interested in winning trophies but always interested in being the and most accurate. He told me several times that the bigger the fish that he has mounted the more hemorrhaging he would find where the head attaches to the body. After he would skin the fish out he would always tell me if the fish would have live or died (in his opinion) if they would have released it. Lots of big largemouth bass had this also. And he always would say it was how they handled the fish. Never really paid attention to it until I saw this podcast. Guys catch big fish and hold them up by the head for a photograph and they are killing the fish. The weight of that fish being supported by the head only is not good for the fish. Most eventually will end up dead from hemorrhaging.
Support the whole fish. Distribute the weight.
Awesome episode. I'm glad you guys listened and got THE MAN to teach the masses. Next guy would be good pyzer. That would put it to bed.