For me I keep hitting my finger knuckles because my fingers aren't that flexible or my hands are too small and my fingers stick out abit, that second fist you showed helps pull those finger knuckles back further though so thank you
The thing about those funny fists in traditional arts is, they are NOT alternatives to a striking fist. You don't strike hard with them because that's a good way to damage your fingers. These work more as wedges and chisels than hammers, and are more often used in grappling to create space or deliver pain to making openings rather than striking.
The Gichin Funakoshi fist principle is actually to flatten the surface between the first two large top knuckles and the bottom two finger joints/knuckles. Gichin believed that for maximal power you should hit with those four points of impact to increase the surface striking area. Most people making a traditional fist will cause their pointer finger knuckle to stick out forward slightly like an unintentional Phoenix eye strike which can cause some people to also bend the wrist to only hit with the top two large knuckles. Yes, it is true, through practice people can make a traditional fist and the surface I am talking about is flat. But Gichin found his punching method to make it easier...as stated in the video, training is key to make it natural. Sorry for the rant but that is how I was trained and I hope I explained it in a manner people can understand. Also, I am not saying one is better than the other, just trying to explain the rational.
One thing I want to say about the thumb, is if it too angled and rotated towards the middle of the fist many people will have difficulty closing the fist, and if they do it can mean that means the hitting surface is not flat but twisted. Since digits tend to be of different lengths, there is not a set position that works for everyone. However my advice is keep that top of the thumb fairly flat and parallel, and bent in a 90 degree angle. Naturally tucked underneath for horizontal punches or toward the inside for vertical. Hope that makes sense.
I never needed a power punch to reck someone’s day i usually like nose shots ends quick when u break his nose unless it’s a bigger dude then u wanna break his shit quick ass possible if u can’t knock him out speed beats power my dad said to use the first 2 knuckles
i was shown that alternate fist by my buddy that trains in Kyokushin Karate. He explains that all the fists we know today make a strong fist but a weak wrist, or weak fist but strong wrist, depending on the version you make. But the ancient fist, in which he called the secret fist, is a combination of both a strong fist and a strong wrist; but as explained in the video, you have to train for some time before using the secret fist. My buddy even discouraged me from using that fist as a beginner, but I've been using it anyways ever since he showed me and now I can't make any other fist than that one
What do you say about the michael jai white methode of making a fist? Its pretty much what you describe as wrong in the beginning... but the way he explain it sound pretty legit... by the way, i injured my thumb alot of times with your first methode before...
My problem with making a fist is that my fingers are too long so the bottom knuckles end up sticking out farther than the top ones. Have you ever seen this problem?
are you sure that you're cocking your wrist enough? The analogy I always use is that you should be able to balance a flat board across the back of your fist and your forearm without having a huge gap at your wrist...
I have this problem. i think the bottom part of my fingers are too long as i just can't get them to curl up enough, but i'm new to boxing so dunno if i just need to spend longer practicing making a tight fist?
Great vid! Pressure point video would be awesome!!! A lot of people I know who have done military or police training SWEAR on pressure points!! Sure they hurt like hell. But how are you gonna grab and subdue someone like that when they're swinging wild haymakers!!! For our paramedic non violent crisis intervention techniques they thought us the finger into the bridge of the nose escape. Sure it hurts but I don't don't think that's gonna help me escape a headlock. Id rather rely on my sacrifice roll escape that you also did a great video on!!
I think basic palm strikes are an important tool to have in your arsenal as well as fist punch. Alignment in any strike is important, without wrapping and gloves, even more so. It is so easy to break your fine bones or sprain your wrist if hit badly in a hectic situation. it may not even be a person that you collide with. Palm strike generally are a bit more forgiving from my experience sparring. It is not that you shouldn't that punch with a fist it s more that palm strikes give you a good way to gauge the target or opposition. You can gauge distance hardness, angles, etc. Therefore you will have a better idea when you follow up with punches. I think they are underrated becuase people treat it like an either or. Obviously there are other strikes like kicks, elbows forearms, etc
Pressure points are great for knockouts and pressure points that cause a lot of pain knowing where to strike is key this dudes tripping and his methods for fists are ass Fr make em n punch something ur fingers are placed in a way where they are going to break he’s having beginners punch with a straight finger I see a lot of people trying this n breaking bones n shit just do what works for u practice punching things till you’ve created the perfect forum of fist for your hand size to deliver the best results vs doing what works for someone else your version might just be a tad bit different or very similar
yes, but since bones are constantly regrowing, by regularly stressing the hand bones it is possible to force them to grow stronger, which is why high level practitioners can punch through bricks/boards/bones/etc
Stephen, I looked on yt how to get out of headlock and found so many different suggestions. Would you be interested to collect all of them in one video and comment on which one's realistic and which one's too complicated? I have to say that your video on it is one of the worse I've seen....you had complicated BJJ moves in it ...c'mon, nobody's going to do that when someone gets headlocked in a heated altercation.
The standard BJJ headlock escape that I share in my article "5 Most Important Self Defense Lessons from Jiu-Jitsu" is a structural escape, rather than a pain or striking or biting based escape. If you try most headlock defences against a struggling opponent determined to punch you in the head or drag you to the ground you'll find that they don't work. After 35 years of training I've found that the structural approach used in BJJ is best for situations like that. Good luck with your training.
I don't have your experience, but I have instinct and my instinct says that the akido self defense moves are useless. The krav maga moves are sort of similar ....now let's get to the rest: I do believe that someone with good hands can make a lot out of the typical headlock defenses...because they have something to fall back on (their hands) once they're out of the headlock ....and you specifically say jiu jitsu: Don't you think that someone who's trained in greco-roman or freestyle wrestling would have little issues with a headlock?
For me I keep hitting my finger knuckles because my fingers aren't that flexible or my hands are too small and my fingers stick out abit, that second fist you showed helps pull those finger knuckles back further though so thank you
The thing about those funny fists in traditional arts is, they are NOT alternatives to a striking fist. You don't strike hard with them because that's a good way to damage your fingers. These work more as wedges and chisels than hammers, and are more often used in grappling to create space or deliver pain to making openings rather than striking.
I like that second one because I've always had the problem of my middle knuckle on my index sticking out and this meliorates that for me!
The Gichin Funakoshi fist principle is actually to flatten the surface between the first two large top knuckles and the bottom two finger joints/knuckles. Gichin believed that for maximal power you should hit with those four points of impact to increase the surface striking area. Most people making a traditional fist will cause their pointer finger knuckle to stick out forward slightly like an unintentional Phoenix eye strike which can cause some people to also bend the wrist to only hit with the top two large knuckles. Yes, it is true, through practice people can make a traditional fist and the surface I am talking about is flat. But Gichin found his punching method to make it easier...as stated in the video, training is key to make it natural. Sorry for the rant but that is how I was trained and I hope I explained it in a manner people can understand. Also, I am not saying one is better than the other, just trying to explain the rational.
i can see that
One thing I want to say about the thumb, is if it too angled and rotated towards the middle of the fist many people will have difficulty closing the fist, and if they do it can mean that means the hitting surface is not flat but twisted.
Since digits tend to be of different lengths, there is not a set position that works for everyone. However my advice is keep that top of the thumb fairly flat and parallel, and bent in a 90 degree angle. Naturally tucked underneath for horizontal punches or toward the inside for vertical. Hope that makes sense.
Thanks this helped a lot!
What about VERTICAL Wing Chun fists?
A true teacher! Thanks!
I never needed a power punch to reck someone’s day i usually like nose shots ends quick when u break his nose unless it’s a bigger dude then u wanna break his shit quick ass possible if u can’t knock him out speed beats power my dad said to use the first 2 knuckles
i was shown that alternate fist by my buddy that trains in Kyokushin Karate. He explains that all the fists we know today make a strong fist but a weak wrist, or weak fist but strong wrist, depending on the version you make.
But the ancient fist, in which he called the secret fist, is a combination of both a strong fist and a strong wrist; but as explained in the video, you have to train for some time before using the secret fist. My buddy even discouraged me from using that fist as a beginner, but I've been using it anyways ever since he showed me and now I can't make any other fist than that one
My fingers seem incapable of curling in all the way wtf
Stephen you are the man. I enjoy all your videos great advice. Keep up the good work I look forward to more videos.
What do you say about the michael jai white methode of making a fist? Its pretty much what you describe as wrong in the beginning... but the way he explain it sound pretty legit... by the way, i injured my thumb alot of times with your first methode before...
I can’t make a fist without my small knuckles pointing out
My problem with making a fist is that my fingers are too long so the bottom knuckles end up sticking out farther than the top ones. Have you ever seen this problem?
are you sure that you're cocking your wrist enough? The analogy I always use is that you should be able to balance a flat board across the back of your fist and your forearm without having a huge gap at your wrist...
+Self Defense Tutorials Yes I'm pretty sure...I box, and i never have the problem with hand wraps, only bare fist
I have this problem. i think the bottom part of my fingers are too long as i just can't get them to curl up enough, but i'm new to boxing so dunno if i just need to spend longer practicing making a tight fist?
Great vid! Pressure point video would be awesome!!! A lot of people I know who have done military or police training SWEAR on pressure points!! Sure they hurt like hell. But how are you gonna grab and subdue someone like that when they're swinging wild haymakers!!!
For our paramedic non violent crisis intervention techniques they thought us the finger into the bridge of the nose escape. Sure it hurts but I don't don't think that's gonna help me escape a headlock. Id rather rely on my sacrifice roll escape that you also did a great video on!!
For Kyles, By Kyle. Dry wall is going down.
what is the advantage of the second punch? Not rubbishing it but never trained that way.
When I told my middle knuckle in it hurts from the pressure and I can't do it
But I have huge fist an my thumb doesn’t go pass my index finger .i have huge fingers .
someone help...no matter how i clench my fist and i do do it properly, my fingers always hurt after a few punches even if ibarely hit them
bolbaldil spark you have the same problem with me.
Why use the Old School method?
How to condition the fist?
I think basic palm strikes are an important tool to have in your arsenal as well as fist punch. Alignment in any strike is important, without wrapping and gloves, even more so. It is so easy to break your fine bones or sprain your wrist if hit badly in a hectic situation. it may not even be a person that you collide with.
Palm strike generally are a bit more forgiving from my experience sparring. It is not that you shouldn't that punch with a fist it s more that palm strikes give you a good way to gauge the target or opposition. You can gauge distance hardness, angles, etc.
Therefore you will have a better idea when you follow up with punches.
I think they are underrated becuase people treat it like an either or.
Obviously there are other strikes like kicks, elbows forearms, etc
What will happen if we hit a wall directly to make our fist strong daily
One Punch Man.
Pressure points are great for knockouts and pressure points that cause a lot of pain knowing where to strike is key this dudes tripping and his methods for fists are ass Fr make em n punch something ur fingers are placed in a way where they are going to break he’s having beginners punch with a straight finger I see a lot of people trying this n breaking bones n shit just do what works for u practice punching things till you’ve created the perfect forum of fist for your hand size to deliver the best results vs doing what works for someone else your version might just be a tad bit different or very similar
There is no method for making a strong, because your finger bones are hecka wimpy. :D Use your palm instead.
yes, but since bones are constantly regrowing, by regularly stressing the hand bones it is possible to force them to grow stronger, which is why high level practitioners can punch through bricks/boards/bones/etc
Using your palm does not get the sharp strikes like a fist would get. You should also hit hard things safely.
Stephen, I looked on yt how to get out of headlock and found so many different suggestions. Would you be interested to collect all of them in one video and comment on which one's realistic and which one's too complicated? I have to say that your video on it is one of the worse I've seen....you had complicated BJJ moves in it ...c'mon, nobody's going to do that when someone gets headlocked in a heated altercation.
Stat Ix but it works so well! Atleast it does for me. Do on my brother all the time who has 100lbs on me!!
I try to find what works and the Bjj one that Stephen shared works wonders!!
when you say your brother, it doesn't sound like a really heated altercation lol
The standard BJJ headlock escape that I share in my article "5 Most Important Self Defense Lessons from Jiu-Jitsu" is a structural escape, rather than a pain or striking or biting based escape. If you try most headlock defences against a struggling opponent determined to punch you in the head or drag you to the ground you'll find that they don't work. After 35 years of training I've found that the structural approach used in BJJ is best for situations like that. Good luck with your training.
I don't have your experience, but I have instinct and my instinct says that the akido self defense moves are useless. The krav maga moves are sort of similar ....now let's get to the rest: I do believe that someone with good hands can make a lot out of the typical headlock defenses...because they have something to fall back on (their hands) once they're out of the headlock ....and you specifically say jiu jitsu: Don't you think that someone who's trained in greco-roman or freestyle wrestling would have little issues with a headlock?