I was taught hit something hard with something soft (open hand) where you punch something soft with something hard (closed fist). Going by the comments below I am not the only one. Training is how we get past the animal instincts and evolve. Super happy to hear you stress targeted punching not just the tough man punching! I have been trying to get the MMA guys I coach to do that but boy it hard to train out the toughman mentality.
The issue is you're hitting a moving target. Yes you might aim for the nose//mouth/jaw, but doesn't mean you won't accidentally hit the top of his dome instead. Broken hands happen regularly even with professionals, there's always a risk.
Exactly, you slap the face and head and punch the soft areas. Never punch the skull because if you have a strong guy as an opponent you hand will break or get damaged long before you get through a guys thick skull. You wont, I promise you that and he in return will fuck you up.
On Police Academy of Czech Rep. they conducted experimental research and they found out, that trained people do closed hand strikes as effective as an open hand strike, but UNtrained person does more effective open hand strike than closed hand strike. So if it is equally or more effective to use open hand strike and it is safer (for me and many others also easier) I will stick with open hand, thanks.
But his point was that under duress, i.e. a real fight, you're going to revert to instincts - and use fists! And ironically, the only way to NOT do that would be with a LOT of training. So now you're no longer an untrained person. So you might as well use fists! ✊ 😁 BTW, I train both open & fists on a bag, barehanded. So I'm less likely to hurt my fists, but if I ever do have damaged knuckles, I can still fight. Or keep fighting. I prefer options to limitations... 🤚✊
My experience was a lot of my colleagues got hairline fractures from punching people in our line of work. I encouraged them to use the palm heel strikes instead.
I like to open and close my hands very rapidly and keep the other person guessing. I also shout "Open. Closed. Open. Closed" to add an extra intimidation factor
An open-handed palm strike to the ribs can shatter ribs and like other people are saying slapping is not the general use of an open-handed strike in martial arts.
Excellent video, I've only ever punched one person, ( a trespasser) the friction of my knuckles against the side of his head took the skin off the two big ones, knocking him out. He was also bleeding from his ear from the blow, now I avoid confrontations all together, due to me being arrested and charged for the incident. I don't think a slap would have got me into so much trouble.
Let me out it this way. I’ve been in fights and you’re right, my fists were closed. But I once did hit the head and felt an electric shock that damn near paralyzed my right side. It was like hitting a brick wall. There was no next time after that because I’ve learned to stay from fights,. But if I do,‘it’ll be with body shots and if my state of mind is there, with open palms. It’s really hard to say because you don’t know what’ll happen till it happens. Mike Tyson said, everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
Interesting but... Even MCMAP now advises against using a closed fist. It's also scientifically proven you can deliver as much force and even more with open hand strikes. Extensive training is needed to deliver a proper closed fist punch to minimise the chance of wrist or knuckle damage but even then you're far more likely to injure your hand striking with a fist than an open hand. This is one of the reasons why most military unarmed combatives are moving more and more to teaching open hand rather than a closed fist.
I am a kyokushin practionner and no, we do not close our fists like you mentioned in your video. They teach us to be relax before punching. The difference here is that we don't punch to the head, only body, and that's the main reason why we don't break our knuckles or wrists since we are hitting a softer part of the body. We also do a lot of knuckles and wrist conditioned. We also punch everything (bags, dummies, etc) bareknuckle. Great video though.
That's how a friend of mine (kyokoshin black belt) told me Mas Oyama had explained it to him. Perhaps he was talking about fist formation in a kata, or at the point of impact though, not sure...
Stephan Kesting, interesting. I am also a black belt but Nth generation. Things have indeed changed since Sosai has passed. We do teach to make a fist tight at the moment of impact. However, if you look at competitors, old and new school, you’ll see that most fighters’ stance consists of having their hands open, typically to “catch” kicks. What I am saying is that we don’t keep our fists so tight all the time during a fight. Just at the moment of impact.
Alain Mokbel I guess my technique sucks than :p I do kickboxing but when we do only body pinching drills... a lot of punches go on the elbows when people are blocking. How do you make sure that you do t hit those?
Align knuckles with wrist and forearm to reduce wrist injury Train wrist push ups Use the same technique to strike heavy punching bags with wrists Train swings with elbow as pivot point Use reverse palm, use palm, use punch, use ... depending on angle of contact with opponent. Consideration for impact.
There's little reassurance in the idea that medical professionals can put my hand back together tomorrow when I'm still facing a dangerous assault right now but with only one working hand. That really makes me question this guy's street experience.
Adrenaline is probably gonna take care of the momentary situation. It's not uncommon for boxers to fight through another 40 minutes after breaking their hand, so you'll likely be fine in a fight that only lasts a minute tops and involves a lot more adrenaline - it's even called "boxer's fracture".
I would dispute that a closed fist is instinctive for everyone. For most men, especially those that have been a bit rough and tumble in their youth, absolutely. As a woman, not really. I have done kickboxing training and such over the years. I know how to throw a punch. But I’ve never had a situation come up that I needed to execute in real life. I don’t trust that I could land it correctly or that I won’t injure myself more than the target. This is especially true where any aggressor (likely male) is probably going to be a lot taller than me, and also closer into my space. A palm heel strike doesn’t need the same accuracy to be effective and can be executed in close quarters. I am petite, with very small hands. I trust I could get a lot more power with the palm strike. But! This video does seem more geared toward a bar brawl scenario, whereas I would be more likely to need it in self-defense.
It would behoove you to train Jiujitsu as well as get firearm training and a concealed carry license. Jiu jitsu combatives is the only unarmed method of self defense where a small boned female can defeat (even cripple or kill) a much larger, stronger, male predator. Striking most violent men will only shoot up his adrenaline making him not feel anymore strikes, even if they cause damage, because adrenaline blocks all pain. Unarmed Striking, unless you're bones & training can deliver a knockout blow, can only cause superficial damage and pain, but adrenaline kills pain. Also, many male predators will wrestle a small female down to assault her. Striking is useless if you're wrestled down by a bigger, stronger, male. Jiu jitsu will give you the ability to escape and deploy your firearm. . .Or to break their limb or strangle them unconscious then escape them. (Jiu-Jitsu plus CCW license with tactical firearm training.)
Something I spent a lot of time doing from an early point in my martial arts training was punching the heavy bag bareknuckle. Didn't do it hard, but kept doing it. Over and over and over again. Constantly drilling how to keep my wrist straight, where to land with my knuckles and it made a huge difference. Now (with what is about a decade of practice) I can hit the heavy bag full force and not worry about hurting my hands. I consider that knuckle conditioning extremely valuable. Toughing the skin, of course the valuable microfactures and knowing you can keep your form proper when you throw that punch.
I believe fighting with your hands open but closed partly open and tight. you have less of a chance of getting your fingers broken good for grappling and stronger strikes when closing your hands mid to close impact.
a secret from Kyokushin: 1. make a tight fist they way you did 2. put the thumb *not* below the index and middle finger, and *not* on the side of index as some do, but at 45 degrees in between those positions 3. squeeze the thumb and pinky towards each other breaking your knuckles isn't a big problem, and conditioning helps. Breaking the bones in the palm - that is the problem you want to prevent. Doing the above creates tension in the palm that supports the bones. This works. You can look up Kyokushin world championship, the wood breaking part that is done *before* full contact bare knuckle fights.
I think that I have distilled it down to, punch to the body {relatively soft}, palm to the head {hard as rock}, to protect your hands. having said that, punches to the throat or carotid neck area are safe. And, I like chain punches, because a barrage of those can open up a target area for elbow strikes, hammer fists, chops, etc.
Just use a vertical punch to the head, horizontal punches to the face are bad. Horizontal straight punches only became common because of boxing gloves. There is a reason vertical punches are common in traditional martial arts including bare-knuckle boxing.
I disagree. Palm strikes can hurt even more than knuckle strikes. Also, they leave less marks. I usually hit the head with an open palm. Interestingly, if you relax your arm while swiping, the slap can cause a concussion. Try to aim for the jaw. Slaps actually hurt more, and will take longer to knock the fucker out.
I had to fight a guy once who was wearing a bike helmet. Tried for jaw slaps but I couldn't fit my hand under his helmet to deliver an effective blow. So I had to use four closed-fist punches from a mount. I took him out of the fight alright, but I probably broke a couple bones in my hand, though not badly broken enough to take me out of the fight. Hurt like hell for a few weeks though.
It's better to use the open hand. It can go both aggressive and defensive. One more thing is that, it can hit pressure points gently, knocking them out instead of killing them or breaking their necks.
I agree using open hand strikes can have stronger power more than a close fist if it is done right. Not paddy cake push slapping like this guy is saying. Punching someone with a close fist to any hard part of the body can truly damage your hand if you are not using a boxer glove. Bare knuckle. It cause more than just broken fingers . never damage as well.. Now the only close hand I would use without gloves is a hammer fist or a knife hand blow .( Which means you are using your close hand like holding a knife.nether of the close hand technique will damage your fingers because you don't hit with your fingers like a normal punch.just the surface part of the hand like a chop but closed. A back hand first is also good to use.
Punches are more powerful than slap you have never fought in street You can put powerslappers and boxers boxers would definitely hits hard Can a slap break any bone?? No because slap are not much hard like your fist
Use an open hand to lock a target, use a fist to hit. When I fight, I usually use a pattern I made. Passive (my favourite pattern) It's basically block, hit, back out, engage, dodge, hit, block, block, kick, pressure point.
A strike doesn't have stopping power because the business end is hard, it has stopping power because it has the body behind it. The palm strike has two advantages over the closed fist: One, it has the arm directly behind it, and so eliminates the wrist as a factor which may reduce force of impact (not to mention cause debilitating wrist injuries) because of a bent wrist. And two, and this is the important part: you are far less likely to pull your punches when dealing palm strikes. Psychologically, we refuse to use all our might when striking a target we perceive as hard and painful. With the palm, we dare to strike harder. That said, the fist has some definite advantages as well. First of all, it has 2-3 inches more range, which can add to stopping power. Second, the fingers are not exposed. You may hurt your knuckles, but your fingers won't catch on anything, and fingers break more easily than knuckles. And third, it's a smaller surface area, which increases the impact delivered. But again, it's not because the knuckles are hard that you have stopping power. When you push something, you use your palms - not your fists. Not just because of the added control of holding on to something, but try pushing something very heavy with your fists - you'll feel it in your wrists if there is the slightest misalignment. Punches are essentially very fast pushes, and in order to knock the wind out of someone you need to depress the chest with sufficient force. In order to knock someone out with a blow to the head you need to move their head quickly enough for them to black out. These things have nothing to do with how hard your fists are. The reason people make a fist by instinct is not because they punch with their knuckles - that's not instinctive. If you get someone without any sort of training, and who has not been exposed to fights in movies or any such, he will instinctively attack with hammer fists, as if they were banging on a door. _That's_ instinctive - the rest is trained for. Well, another type of instinctive punch is the wild swing, with the second knuckles as impact point. I also find palm strikes more useful in certain close range situations. I remember one time a guy, out of nowhere, grabbed my collar with both hands and tried to push me up against a wall, his face very close to my face. I don't think he intended to fight me, he just wanted to establish dominance. This pissed me off, as I had offered him no provocation whatsoever, and I knocked him out. I delivered an uppercut with open hand, between his arms straight to his chin. At this range I couldn't have delivered a proper uppercut, top of the hand facing him. My wrist was, instead, turned the other way, palm facing him. I found it very easy to target his chin precisely in this manner, and also in the best possible angle. The guy fell backwards, and didn't bother me again.
OPEN HAND--- FIRST - it can be MORE ppwerful and effective than any fist- second- not as likely to injure YOU the thrower.. third- LOOKS more DEFENSIVE for the videos that get used to try to convict YOU of being the attacker. I'm a retired ranger, fed bodyguard and have been in 1000 TRANSACTIONS plus-- (transactions because someone always pays in one way or the other) and only lost 2--- I NEVER punch-- it's NOT needed.
If you train to punch, you don't clench your fist before making punch. You only clench tight while turning the knuckle, before the contact. This will not restrict your punch motion. Of course I do muaythai, so I do elbow and do knee strikes. I also do bare knuckle punches on heavy bag, so I know the angle of the strike and how hard to punch before I hurt my wrist and knuckle.
I quit using punches YEARS AGO. I use an open hand 'slapping' technique and grab my attacker (difficult to 'grab' someone with a fist), using the 'free hand'to insert fingers into the eye sockets.
+actionman935 You make it sound like there's a lengthy process involved when going from closed fist to open hand to grab. Trained fighters do not keep a closed fist at all times, it's usually opened in a relaxed state to conserve energy...even with Boxing gloves on. The fist is only made at the last moment, right before impact. And in Muay Thai, when throwing the hook, the thumb is up with a closed fist; that can open at the last fraction of a second to initiate a clinch.
My hands are open, in a relaxed state. Kinda like having your hand ready to shake your opponent's hand, or slap him silly. (With your 'open' hand of course!)
From a legal standpoint, a flat palm strike that KOs the attacker, breaks a nose or bloodies a mouth is a LOT easier to frame as an attempted "push" -- can't do that with a punch. In a lot of jurisdictions that can make the difference between going to jail for the night or going home.
If I'm being attacked, he's eating fists. I might lose, but he's munching a knuckle sandwich. If I'm being attacked, I don't need to prove I was pushing: I was ATTACKED. Now if its questionable whether I was the aggressor, then Im acting like a slime ball anyway.
@@BloodofPatriots But who gets into streetfights? - trained fighters who've practised punching correctly AND conditioned their fists? Rarely. Fuckwits? Usually.
Most people assumes that palm strike actually damage other much more. Which is true but it's total shit compared to fist. Have you ever punched a wall and felt like you damage yourself more than the wall? Thats because the wall don't tell you how painful it is for the wall. You damage them more than you damage yourself if you hit with the right technique and timing. Try not to use punch in tight places tho, you'll have waaaay more chance to break your knuckle. People saying they break their knuckle its because either they punched the fore head or they miss it and punched the wall instead. And here's an advice. If you are in a tight space ( aka near to a wall or in small back alley ) then grab them and slam their head into the wall. Usually it won't knock them out but it causes enough damage. If you really don't wanna damage yourself when fighting then learn how to use all part of your body and all the surrounding environment to your advantage. Knees, slap, elbow, wall slam , wall push or no room trap ( I called it because you grab your opponent and push them against a wall leaving them no room to strike or escape while you have large advantage. ) Give up things like use open palm instead or what fighting skills or what spinning moves, fight with professional moves using your instinct is better. And chances are, you'll forget these when you are in your first fight so good luck.
People forget kung fu and other traditional martial arts were actually used by soliders in the battlefield. Open handed strikes were probably used more than punches. Hence why we see them in figtunh sequences in films
daniel280456 you hit it on the head. All this talk. Just hit how and where a boxer does and you will be ok. But condition your hand for it first. Something ALOT of boxer do not do.
Exactly! I find it absurd that few people these days even seem to think about hitting a bag barehanded. I mean, why are they training to hit something with hand protection that they'll never have when it gets real? Just have to start easy and do it gradually. Train open-hands while your knuckles are recovering. Then you can do it ALL! 🤜🤚😁
Hi, love your stuff. A few comments though: Punching is not instinctive. It's cultural. Think about it, all striking arts and sports punch. It sinks into our persona. And guess what? They all wear gloves. And wraps. To protect the hands. And look at lots of hooks. Often they're striking with the area around the thumb, again relying on the padding of the glove. Horrendously bad without the glove. Bas Rutten was not "slapping." He was striking with the bones at the wrist. That's very different. You made no mention of the skin splitting on the knuckles. Nor did you really cover the real risk of a broken wrist. Hitting open hand isn't without its dangers. And I agree, it doesn't have the solid shock of a fist. But I think that you have sold it a little short here. Just my view. Thanks for your tremendous videos.
Good comment. I think all efficient hand techniques are essential to learn and practice: palms, palm heels, bearpaws, hammerfists, corkscrews etc. All are relevant to the unique scenarios that arise in combat. Edit: Also bare knuckle fighting has been an art for hundreds and hundreds of years. Russian fisticuffs uses all parts of the hand, up to the elbow and shoulder to strike. Pugilism has been tainted by sport and money
Use the fist for strikes, the open hand for hooks and arcs. . The open hand is faster but the fist does more damage. Sometimes it is more important to be quicker than more powerful. Most white crane moves are open handed. Tai chi has open hand and fist.
That is *if* you landed it correctly. Chances are you can't, or else you'll see alot more people using spin back fist , spin hook kick and Superman punch.
Sorry, but some of these arguments are not even true. All the animals of the ape family, especially Silverbacks/Gorillas actually slap insted of making a fist. There are also several documentaries that have measured the force for open hand slaps and punches, and in each and everyone of them the open hand slap generated more force. That is likely due to the more point of contacts / higher surface area + shockwave generated from open hand slaps. Plus having the lower risk of not injuring your hand, it is by far the superior action to perform an open hand slap. Also to your argument that it is an instinct, it is actually not. Watch children fight they often revert to open hand slaps rather than fists punches, because the latter is actually conditioned due to movies etc.
Simply slapping is different than using your palm. Doing a straight palm or rising palm technique. Hit a person with a straight palm in the sternum. They won't be able to breathe.
I’d argue that you should never strike with a fist because street fights often go to the ground and turn into wrestling matches. I don’t know about you but I’d want to have fully functioning knuckles in the event of a grapple.
Don't punch if you have some strength palm strike their nose and chin at upward if you can push them back try slamming head to ground (if the situation is far too serious)
I am sorry tho say that, but most of the claims in the video are total BS. You will not break your hand/knuckles when your hand is well conditioned (I know about many fights that have proven that in practice). I am a kyokushin guy and I also practice boxing. I have never used hand wraps in my fighting life since I started in 1988 (I don't even know how to put them) and I train with very small MMA like leather gloves on pads (no gloves on heavy bag). I do pushups on my bare knuckles and condition my hand on a truck tire. I am pretty confident I can hit someone in the head full blast and nothing will happen to my hand. Regarding the open hand strikes being with less stopping power - that is also complete BS. I also train hand to hand combat techniques (I have tried those in practice) and believe me, the open hand strike, executed properly has way more stopping power than the closed fist. Just watch bare knuckle fights on RUclips and you will see for yourself how many times you have to hit someone to knock him out (you will also notice that nobody brakes his hands). With boxing gloves on, it is just one clean punch needed to knock someone out. With open hand (palm strike) it is exactly the same thing, because boxing glove and open hand multiply the whiplash effect on the brain (which actually causes the knockout). Bare fist creates cuts, breaks bones/teeth, that's for sure, but it does not have that knockout power of the open hand. And it is not just my opinion, check military hand to hand combat trainings and videos and you will see that almost every strike is openhanded. That is not without a reason. Anyway, you can judge for yourself, but my strike of choice is the openhanded one and I have no doubts it is the most effective one.
I'm not actually that familiar with the work of Nick Drossos - I shall have to check it out and see where the points of convergence and divergence are...
Evin Wren Depends if you plan to strike with the tips of your fingers you'll just break them, and you can do some kind of chop but you can injure your hand with a chop. Hammer fist is better
You can injure your hand with a hammer fist as well! Truth be told, you can injure yourself striking someone with any part of your body. You can injure yourself grappling someone. Fighting hurts, which is why someone should only fight if they have no choice unless they are a sport fighter. Any striking method can be effective if used after proper training and any striking method can cause injury if done wrong. And in my experience, train to punch and punch fast, hard and precise to the places that put someone down.
I agree that using fists is instinctive. However, this example is about a kickboxer who (a) trains/fights using punching, and (b) probably doesn't do fist conditioning. So the end result not surprising! 🤔
I'll still prefer using fist. Palm strikes isn't all that amazing when adrenaline kicks in. Its just one of the attacks I use, not all however. If you learn how to punch you ( probably ) won't break your wrist but you'll still break your knuckle which usually take weeks to heal. But it's better than losing a fight and had to heal for an even longer period of time. Palm strike is just for pushing people away for me. Other than that it won't cause enough damage. Well you know what? Try go for a second option. Slap. It leaves stinging pain even when you are in adrenaline ( don't ask why I know, I learned it the hard way ) and you'll have even less chance of breaking your wrist.
bare hands, open hand, elbow block and RIP your fist, you got knockouted, because after breaking fingers you just cant continue fight. Winter, garden gloves or something protective like this, fist for sure.
Streetwise Tactics - it isn't. It's cultural. All our striking sports use a fist..... In a glove. I'd go as far as saying that no strikes with the hands are "natural." They are for grabbing.
@@briansheeran4185 if that were the case no one would punch in anger only grab, people grab wrestle as well sure, but watch a lot of violence caught on camera then answer that question... lots of punching going on
Streetwise Tactics - It isn't natural to do so many things that we do. Wear clothes, cultivate plants, ride in wheeled vehicles, fly, watch TV...... Almost everything we do is the result of cultural development. And yes, probably all cultures punch. Because Boxing (and other arts) was MASSIVE throughout the world. Is it a coincidence that fighting sports are mostly watched by men who, of course, do most of the punching. Whilst women grab hair and scratch the eyes? I'm not saying that non natural things aren't great. I love the TV..... I'm just saying that it isn't natural to punch. Years ago a guy tried to convince me it was. "Look," he said, "hold out your finger to a baby. He'll make a fist around it." Errrrrr.... That baby isn't making a fist. It's grabbing.
@@briansheeran4185 ok that's great.. but when someone wants to inflict damage upon another human there is a tendency for males especially to clench their fist instead of say a plam strike, nothing is set in stone, but that's what a lot of evidence suggests and from my own and other people I've trained with who do open hand strikes, when the shit hit the fan defaulted back to punching. I myself trained open hand strikes for years because of hand injuries I got doing security but I had another incident nearly two years ago and defaulted back to punching, so that's why I make that statement
So true dude... in a streetfight recently I dodged successively every single one of his instinctive moves and got hit by 1 or 2 but didn't even hurt. I just threw 1 punch on that guy and the fight was over with him having a scar on his eye
Guys your have a giraffe ...in a real fight use your fists ..the adrenaline s pumping and you will not feel any damage to your knuckles until the fights over ....honestly take it from me ...fists cause split lips and broken teeth and noses ...slaps are effective but will not roduce the same damage in the shortest time !
He got his fingers broken several times, does that mean he haa been in a life threatening situation several times and has punched his way out of it? Seems rough bro XD
If you have a guy on the ground don't punch to many times switch over to the pump on the end of the radius bone use it like a hammer with your palm up and your fist curled inwards
Try not to punch in a street fight. Push them away instead. You may win the fight today against the aggressor by punching him but the next time he would take revenge on you.
If you can end it by just pushing him away, then it's not a fight yet. Once you are in a fight, best to win! On your point of possible revenge, though... If you are likely to see this person again, then you might want to win the fight 'fairly'. A fairly and thoroughly beaten man has less motivation for revenge. Compared to, say you gouged his eyes or pulled a weapon or your friends joined in. Then you may need to watch your back.
Yeah, a closed fist is obviously more effective than an open palm. It's all about money. Bust your fist it's gonna cost you. Having whacked my fist against a brick wall in my youthful anger, I doubt this applies to me. Still, in a real fight, I might offer my crown.
I strike my body all the time with my fists. To condition it against being hit. Oh, you mean other people's bodies? Sure. But in a real fight you're pretty much gonna throw everything to the head.
You give one story, and it is somebody else's story. Have you even been in a street-fight? Don't answer that. You obviously haven't fought a lot of complete amateurs. An untrained punch is worthless. You are better off biting them. A punch is not instinctive, it's a learned behavior. The instinctive way to hit with a closed fist is the hammer blow. Now, once you get some training, you will use the strikes that fit your style and philosophy. As well as opportunity. There are, at least, a dozen different ways to hit with the hand. I personally use 11 different ways. No, breaking your hand is not the end of the world and if you practice open hand grappling you can still grapple with a broken hand. Also, once you have broken your hand punching, you want to switch to open hand strikes with that hand, if you want to continue using it. When your opponent is trying to kill or seriously injure you, the fight does not end when you get hurt.
I can TOTALLY assure anybody that palm strikes, fists, elbows attacks, knees, dorso of hands, tibias, ulna, and even fingers, YES FINGERS too, are always great weapons when you know how to use them. However always great channel and humble and very intelligent and good master the guy. Respect and love from Sicily 🔥💖🐉
I was taught hit something hard with something soft (open hand) where you punch something soft with something hard (closed fist). Going by the comments below I am not the only one. Training is how we get past the animal instincts and evolve.
Super happy to hear you stress targeted punching not just the tough man punching! I have been trying to get the MMA guys I coach to do that but boy it hard to train out the toughman mentality.
Kn P I heard soft against hard hard against soft
Try to say that you get past instinct by training again after you've got ambushed by someone bigger than you are.
Yin and Yang: hard against soft.
The issue is you're hitting a moving target. Yes you might aim for the nose//mouth/jaw, but doesn't mean you won't accidentally hit the top of his dome instead. Broken hands happen regularly even with professionals, there's always a risk.
Exactly, you slap the face and head and punch the soft areas. Never punch the skull because if you have a strong guy as an opponent you hand will break or get damaged long before you get through a guys thick skull. You wont, I promise you that and he in return will fuck you up.
If you get the mount I'd definitely recommend open hand or elbows. So many people punch the ground and mess their hand up bad.
If you get on top you could also hammer fists
@@owenraymond5243 isn't hammer fist as risky as a fist strike?
On Police Academy of Czech Rep. they conducted experimental research and they found out, that trained people do closed hand strikes as effective as an open hand strike, but UNtrained person does more effective open hand strike than closed hand strike. So if it is equally or more effective to use open hand strike and it is safer (for me and many others also easier) I will stick with open hand, thanks.
But his point was that under duress, i.e. a real fight, you're going to revert to instincts - and use fists! And ironically, the only way to NOT do that would be with a LOT of training. So now you're no longer an untrained person. So you might as well use fists!
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BTW, I train both open & fists on a bag, barehanded. So I'm less likely to hurt my fists, but if I ever do have damaged knuckles, I can still fight. Or keep fighting.
I prefer options to limitations...
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Nice vid btw
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totally true!!!!!
My experience was a lot of my colleagues got hairline fractures from punching people in our line of work. I encouraged them to use the palm heel strikes instead.
I like to open and close my hands very rapidly and keep the other person guessing. I also shout "Open. Closed. Open. Closed" to add an extra intimidation factor
An open-handed palm strike to the ribs can shatter ribs and like other people are saying slapping is not the general use of an open-handed strike in martial arts.
Dang really? Would love to see this tested!!
I was once told by an army friend to always use the palm in his work as it's difficult to use a gun with broken fingers ..
I know someone who punched somebody in the mouth cut his knuckles on the guy’s teeth and caught an infection cause of how dirty the guy’s mouth was.😧
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Wow I do too and that guy almost died from the infection was in the hospital for a week
That old ass wives tale.. yeah, I know him too. He must’ve never grew up.
Famous forensic files episode - bad guy caught same and it got him Busted !
Excellent video, I've only ever punched one person, ( a trespasser) the friction of my knuckles against the side of his head took the skin off the two big ones, knocking him out. He was also bleeding from his ear from the blow, now I avoid confrontations all together, due to me being arrested and charged for the incident. I don't think a slap would have got me into so much trouble.
Let me out it this way. I’ve been in fights and you’re right, my fists were closed. But I once did hit the head and felt an electric shock that damn near paralyzed my right side. It was like hitting a brick wall. There was no next time after that because I’ve learned to stay from fights,. But if I do,‘it’ll be with body shots and if my state of mind is there, with open palms. It’s really hard to say because you don’t know what’ll happen till it happens. Mike Tyson said, everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
Interesting but...
Even MCMAP now advises against using a closed fist. It's also scientifically proven you can deliver as much force and even more with open hand strikes. Extensive training is needed to deliver a proper closed fist punch to minimise the chance of wrist or knuckle damage but even then you're far more likely to injure your hand striking with a fist than an open hand. This is one of the reasons why most military unarmed combatives are moving more and more to teaching open hand rather than a closed fist.
Good points about Bas Ruten and the open hand vs. the correct fist. Thanks
I am a kyokushin practionner and no, we do not close our fists like you mentioned in your video. They teach us to be relax before punching. The difference here is that we don't punch to the head, only body, and that's the main reason why we don't break our knuckles or wrists since we are hitting a softer part of the body. We also do a lot of knuckles and wrist conditioned. We also punch everything (bags, dummies, etc) bareknuckle. Great video though.
That's how a friend of mine (kyokoshin black belt) told me Mas Oyama had explained it to him. Perhaps he was talking about fist formation in a kata, or at the point of impact though, not sure...
Stephan Kesting, interesting. I am also a black belt but Nth generation. Things have indeed changed since Sosai has passed.
We do teach to make a fist tight at the moment of impact. However, if you look at competitors, old and new school, you’ll see that most fighters’ stance consists of having their hands open, typically to “catch” kicks.
What I am saying is that we don’t keep our fists so tight all the time during a fight. Just at the moment of impact.
dont you hit a lot of elbows and hips?
luukiejj not at all. We tend to kick elbows a lot mainly due to bad technique on the kick but for punching, not really.
Alain Mokbel I guess my technique sucks than :p
I do kickboxing but when we do only body pinching drills... a lot of punches go on the elbows when people are blocking. How do you make sure that you do t hit those?
Use both. Depends on the situation and surface area you are striking.
Align knuckles with wrist and forearm to reduce wrist injury
Train wrist push ups
Use the same technique to strike heavy punching bags with wrists
Train swings with elbow as pivot point
Use reverse palm, use palm, use punch, use ... depending on angle of contact with opponent. Consideration for impact.
after fckn up both of my hands after several boxersfractures... i wish i had uses palms or elbows earlier
There's little reassurance in the idea that medical professionals can put my hand back together tomorrow when I'm still facing a dangerous assault right now but with only one working hand. That really makes me question this guy's street experience.
Adrenaline is probably gonna take care of the momentary situation. It's not uncommon for boxers to fight through another 40 minutes after breaking their hand, so you'll likely be fine in a fight that only lasts a minute tops and involves a lot more adrenaline - it's even called "boxer's fracture".
Open hand, strike then grab opponent, pull them into elbow or knee.
Head butt first man!
I would dispute that a closed fist is instinctive for everyone. For most men, especially those that have been a bit rough and tumble in their youth, absolutely. As a woman, not really. I have done kickboxing training and such over the years. I know how to throw a punch. But I’ve never had a situation come up that I needed to execute in real life. I don’t trust that I could land it correctly or that I won’t injure myself more than the target. This is especially true where any aggressor (likely male) is probably going to be a lot taller than me, and also closer into my space. A palm heel strike doesn’t need the same accuracy to be effective and can be executed in close quarters. I am petite, with very small hands. I trust I could get a lot more power with the palm strike. But! This video does seem more geared toward a bar brawl scenario, whereas I would be more likely to need it in self-defense.
It would behoove you to train Jiujitsu as well as get firearm training and a concealed carry license.
Jiu jitsu combatives is the only unarmed method of self defense where a small boned female can defeat (even cripple or kill) a much larger, stronger, male predator.
Striking most violent men will only shoot up his adrenaline making him not feel anymore strikes, even if they cause damage, because adrenaline blocks all pain.
Unarmed Striking, unless you're bones & training can deliver a knockout blow, can only cause superficial damage and pain, but adrenaline kills pain.
Also, many male predators will wrestle a small female down to assault her.
Striking is useless if you're wrestled down by a bigger, stronger, male.
Jiu jitsu will give you the ability to escape and deploy your firearm. . .Or to break their limb or strangle them unconscious then escape them.
(Jiu-Jitsu plus CCW license with tactical firearm training.)
If you want to hit in a clinch, use palm strikes. Because it’s like an elbow. A little more distance.
Something I spent a lot of time doing from an early point in my martial arts training was punching the heavy bag bareknuckle. Didn't do it hard, but kept doing it. Over and over and over again. Constantly drilling how to keep my wrist straight, where to land with my knuckles and it made a huge difference. Now (with what is about a decade of practice) I can hit the heavy bag full force and not worry about hurting my hands. I consider that knuckle conditioning extremely valuable. Toughing the skin, of course the valuable microfactures and knowing you can keep your form proper when you throw that punch.
Yep. There it is. Simple.
Always been my approach also.
I just quickly realized how much harder I could strike with open hands & learned to use them better instead of fists XD
I believe fighting with your hands open but closed partly open and tight. you have less of a chance of getting your fingers broken good for grappling and stronger strikes when closing your hands mid to close impact.
a secret from Kyokushin:
1. make a tight fist they way you did
2. put the thumb *not* below the index and middle finger, and *not* on the side of index as some do, but at 45 degrees in between those positions
3. squeeze the thumb and pinky towards each other
breaking your knuckles isn't a big problem, and conditioning helps. Breaking the bones in the palm - that is the problem you want to prevent. Doing the above creates tension in the palm that supports the bones.
This works. You can look up Kyokushin world championship, the wood breaking part that is done *before* full contact bare knuckle fights.
I think that I have distilled it down to, punch to the body {relatively soft}, palm to the head {hard as rock}, to protect your hands. having said that, punches to the throat or carotid neck area are safe. And, I like chain punches, because a barrage of those can open up a target area for elbow strikes, hammer fists, chops, etc.
Just use a vertical punch to the head, horizontal punches to the face are bad. Horizontal straight punches only became common because of boxing gloves. There is a reason vertical punches are common in traditional martial arts including bare-knuckle boxing.
I find that I'm pretty susceptible to bending and jamming my fingers when in practice open hand, I've since reverted back to basically all closed fist
I disagree. Palm strikes can hurt even more than knuckle strikes. Also, they leave less marks. I usually hit the head with an open palm. Interestingly, if you relax your arm while swiping, the slap can cause a concussion. Try to aim for the jaw. Slaps actually hurt more, and will take longer to knock the fucker out.
Personally for me, i fucked my knuckle up so i think open palm might be better for me.
I had to fight a guy once who was wearing a bike helmet. Tried for jaw slaps but I couldn't fit my hand under his helmet to deliver an effective blow. So I had to use four closed-fist punches from a mount. I took him out of the fight alright, but I probably broke a couple bones in my hand, though not badly broken enough to take me out of the fight. Hurt like hell for a few weeks though.
It's better to use the open hand. It can go both aggressive and defensive. One more thing is that, it can hit pressure points gently, knocking them out instead of killing them or breaking their necks.
I agree using open hand strikes can have stronger power more than a close fist if it is done right. Not paddy cake push slapping like this guy is saying. Punching someone with a close fist to any hard part of the body can truly damage your hand if you are not using a boxer glove. Bare knuckle. It cause more than just broken fingers . never damage as well.. Now the only close hand I would use without gloves is a hammer fist or a knife hand blow .( Which means you are using your close hand like holding a knife.nether of the close hand technique will damage your fingers because you don't hit with your fingers like a normal punch.just the surface part of the hand like a chop but closed. A back hand first is also good to use.
Punches are more powerful than slap you have never fought in street
You can put powerslappers and boxers boxers would definitely hits hard
Can a slap break any bone?? No because slap are not much hard like your fist
I see a use for both open and closed hand strikes.
Use an open hand to lock a target, use a fist to hit. When I fight, I usually use a pattern I made.
Passive (my favourite pattern)
It's basically block, hit, back out, engage, dodge, hit, block, block, kick, pressure point.
A strike doesn't have stopping power because the business end is hard, it has stopping power because it has the body behind it. The palm strike has two advantages over the closed fist: One, it has the arm directly behind it, and so eliminates the wrist as a factor which may reduce force of impact (not to mention cause debilitating wrist injuries) because of a bent wrist. And two, and this is the important part: you are far less likely to pull your punches when dealing palm strikes. Psychologically, we refuse to use all our might when striking a target we perceive as hard and painful. With the palm, we dare to strike harder.
That said, the fist has some definite advantages as well. First of all, it has 2-3 inches more range, which can add to stopping power. Second, the fingers are not exposed. You may hurt your knuckles, but your fingers won't catch on anything, and fingers break more easily than knuckles. And third, it's a smaller surface area, which increases the impact delivered.
But again, it's not because the knuckles are hard that you have stopping power. When you push something, you use your palms - not your fists. Not just because of the added control of holding on to something, but try pushing something very heavy with your fists - you'll feel it in your wrists if there is the slightest misalignment. Punches are essentially very fast pushes, and in order to knock the wind out of someone you need to depress the chest with sufficient force. In order to knock someone out with a blow to the head you need to move their head quickly enough for them to black out. These things have nothing to do with how hard your fists are.
The reason people make a fist by instinct is not because they punch with their knuckles - that's not instinctive. If you get someone without any sort of training, and who has not been exposed to fights in movies or any such, he will instinctively attack with hammer fists, as if they were banging on a door. _That's_ instinctive - the rest is trained for. Well, another type of instinctive punch is the wild swing, with the second knuckles as impact point.
I also find palm strikes more useful in certain close range situations. I remember one time a guy, out of nowhere, grabbed my collar with both hands and tried to push me up against a wall, his face very close to my face. I don't think he intended to fight me, he just wanted to establish dominance. This pissed me off, as I had offered him no provocation whatsoever, and I knocked him out. I delivered an uppercut with open hand, between his arms straight to his chin. At this range I couldn't have delivered a proper uppercut, top of the hand facing him. My wrist was, instead, turned the other way, palm facing him. I found it very easy to target his chin precisely in this manner, and also in the best possible angle. The guy fell backwards, and didn't bother me again.
I pull my palms instinctively because I'm afraid of catching the jaw and literally killing my opponent.
The finger jab!! MAN!!
OPEN HAND--- FIRST - it can be MORE ppwerful and effective than any fist- second- not as likely to injure YOU the thrower.. third- LOOKS more DEFENSIVE for the videos that get used to try to convict YOU of being the attacker. I'm a retired ranger, fed bodyguard and have been in 1000 TRANSACTIONS plus-- (transactions because someone always pays in one way or the other) and only lost 2--- I NEVER punch-- it's NOT needed.
Agreed... Makes all boxing seem silly XD
If you train to punch, you don't clench your fist before making punch. You only clench tight while turning the knuckle, before the contact. This will not restrict your punch motion. Of course I do muaythai, so I do elbow and do knee strikes. I also do bare knuckle punches on heavy bag, so I know the angle of the strike and how hard to punch before I hurt my wrist and knuckle.
I quit using punches YEARS AGO. I use an open hand 'slapping' technique and grab my attacker (difficult to 'grab' someone with a fist), using the 'free hand'to insert fingers into the eye sockets.
actionman935 again! Trying hard enough, i say you are not!! 😆
Interesting technique.
+actionman935
You make it sound like there's a lengthy process involved when going from closed fist to open hand to grab. Trained fighters do not keep a closed fist at all times, it's usually opened in a relaxed state to conserve energy...even with Boxing gloves on. The fist is only made at the last moment, right before impact. And in Muay Thai, when throwing the hook, the thumb is up with a closed fist; that can open at the last fraction of a second to initiate a clinch.
My hands are open, in a relaxed state. Kinda like having your hand ready to shake your opponent's hand, or slap him silly. (With your 'open' hand of course!)
+actionman935
everything went over your head, didn't it?
From a legal standpoint, a flat palm strike that KOs the attacker, breaks a nose or bloodies a mouth is a LOT easier to frame as an attempted "push" -- can't do that with a punch. In a lot of jurisdictions that can make the difference between going to jail for the night or going home.
If I'm being attacked, he's eating fists. I might lose, but he's munching a knuckle sandwich. If I'm being attacked, I don't need to prove I was pushing: I was ATTACKED. Now if its questionable whether I was the aggressor, then Im acting like a slime ball anyway.
@@engine2truck6 Most common injury in street fights is a broken hand from punching with a closed fist.
@@BloodofPatriots But who gets into streetfights? - trained fighters who've practised punching correctly AND conditioned their fists? Rarely.
Fuckwits? Usually.
Most people assumes that palm strike actually damage other much more. Which is true but it's total shit compared to fist.
Have you ever punched a wall and felt like you damage yourself more than the wall? Thats because the wall don't tell you how painful it is for the wall. You damage them more than you damage yourself if you hit with the right technique and timing. Try not to use punch in tight places tho, you'll have waaaay more chance to break your knuckle.
People saying they break their knuckle its because either they punched the fore head or they miss it and punched the wall instead.
And here's an advice. If you are in a tight space ( aka near to a wall or in small back alley ) then grab them and slam their head into the wall. Usually it won't knock them out but it causes enough damage.
If you really don't wanna damage yourself when fighting then learn how to use all part of your body and all the surrounding environment to your advantage.
Knees, slap, elbow, wall slam , wall push or no room trap ( I called it because you grab your opponent and push them against a wall leaving them no room to strike or escape while you have large advantage. )
Give up things like use open palm instead or what fighting skills or what spinning moves, fight with professional moves using your instinct is better.
And chances are, you'll forget these when you are in your first fight so good luck.
I do teakwandoo and karate and my grandpa told me to use my open hand since he learnt it that way from his dad
People forget kung fu and other traditional martial arts were actually used by soliders in the battlefield. Open handed strikes were probably used more than punches. Hence why we see them in figtunh sequences in films
I've had very few fights, but I've noticed that a boxing jab to the chin makes people inactive for 2-3 seconds.
daniel280456 you hit it on the head. All this talk. Just hit how and where a boxer does and you will be ok. But condition your hand for it first. Something ALOT of boxer do not do.
You are right in my estimation but only after conditioning your hand and knuckles without wraps and gloves.
Exactly!
I find it absurd that few people these days even seem to think about hitting a bag barehanded.
I mean, why are they training to hit something with hand protection that they'll never have when it gets real?
Just have to start easy and do it gradually.
Train open-hands while your knuckles are recovering.
Then you can do it ALL! 🤜🤚😁
Hi, love your stuff. A few comments though:
Punching is not instinctive. It's cultural. Think about it, all striking arts and sports punch. It sinks into our persona. And guess what? They all wear gloves. And wraps. To protect the hands.
And look at lots of hooks. Often they're striking with the area around the thumb, again relying on the padding of the glove. Horrendously bad without the glove.
Bas Rutten was not "slapping." He was striking with the bones at the wrist. That's very different.
You made no mention of the skin splitting on the knuckles. Nor did you really cover the real risk of a broken wrist.
Hitting open hand isn't without its dangers. And I agree, it doesn't have the solid shock of a fist. But I think that you have sold it a little short here.
Just my view. Thanks for your tremendous videos.
Good comment. I think all efficient hand techniques are essential to learn and practice: palms, palm heels, bearpaws, hammerfists, corkscrews etc. All are relevant to the unique scenarios that arise in combat.
Edit: Also bare knuckle fighting has been an art for hundreds and hundreds of years. Russian fisticuffs uses all parts of the hand, up to the elbow and shoulder to strike. Pugilism has been tainted by sport and money
The moment Bas was allowed to throw punches he didn't bother with the bone clubbing.
@@seensurvivor3156 hammer fist works like magic when pounding
I don’t see any problem with adequate power generation in open hand techniques
Use the fist for strikes, the open hand for hooks and arcs. . The open hand is faster but the fist does more damage. Sometimes it is more important to be quicker than more powerful. Most white crane moves are open handed. Tai chi has open hand and fist.
a professional bodyguard showed us a slap to the ear if you landed it correctly and with power it stopped everyone just a thought
That is *if* you landed it correctly. Chances are you can't, or else you'll see alot more people using spin back fist , spin hook kick and Superman punch.
Neck=night night
Open hand for me, and elbows.
Sorry, but some of these arguments are not even true. All the animals of the ape family, especially Silverbacks/Gorillas actually slap insted of making a fist.
There are also several documentaries that have measured the force for open hand slaps and punches, and in each and everyone of them the open hand slap generated more force.
That is likely due to the more point of contacts / higher surface area + shockwave generated from open hand slaps.
Plus having the lower risk of not injuring your hand, it is by far the superior action to perform an open hand slap.
Also to your argument that it is an instinct, it is actually not. Watch children fight they often revert to open hand slaps rather than fists punches, because the latter is actually conditioned due to movies etc.
So true
Out of Context: 00:50 I'm still an advocate of punching people
I do closed fists to the body, palms to the head
no you don't. There's no way you can switch from one to the other correctly in a fight. You'd know that if you did try
Alex N if you practice of a lot then yea
Simply slapping is different than using your palm. Doing a straight palm or rising palm technique. Hit a person with a straight palm in the sternum. They won't be able to breathe.
Great video analysis and interpretation my friend!
I’d argue that you should never strike with a fist because street fights often go to the ground and turn into wrestling matches. I don’t know about you but I’d want to have fully functioning knuckles in the event of a grapple.
Fists are definitely better for straight punches but for hooks open hand punches might be just as good.
I have an injury to the left thumb cannot wrap it around my fist?
Finger and knuckle pushups might help.
Don't punch if you have some strength palm strike their nose and chin at upward if you can push them back try slamming head to ground (if the situation is far too serious)
Very insightful! Thanks from Texas!
Head kick, ends most fights surprisingly quick.
I am sorry tho say that, but most of the claims in the video are total BS. You will not break your hand/knuckles when your hand is well conditioned (I know about many fights that have proven that in practice). I am a kyokushin guy and I also practice boxing. I have never used hand wraps in my fighting life since I started in 1988 (I don't even know how to put them) and I train with very small MMA like leather gloves on pads (no gloves on heavy bag). I do pushups on my bare knuckles and condition my hand on a truck tire. I am pretty confident I can hit someone in the head full blast and nothing will happen to my hand. Regarding the open hand strikes being with less stopping power - that is also complete BS. I also train hand to hand combat techniques (I have tried those in practice) and believe me, the open hand strike, executed properly has way more stopping power than the closed fist. Just watch bare knuckle fights on RUclips and you will see for yourself how many times you have to hit someone to knock him out (you will also notice that nobody brakes his hands). With boxing gloves on, it is just one clean punch needed to knock someone out. With open hand (palm strike) it is exactly the same thing, because boxing glove and open hand multiply the whiplash effect on the brain (which actually causes the knockout). Bare fist creates cuts, breaks bones/teeth, that's for sure, but it does not have that knockout power of the open hand. And it is not just my opinion, check military hand to hand combat trainings and videos and you will see that almost every strike is openhanded. That is not without a reason. Anyway, you can judge for yourself, but my strike of choice is the openhanded one and I have no doubts it is the most effective one.
Break your Hand Then!!! Open palm with a Direct strike = Lethal
At last, some sensible advise 👏
Oh, Stephen Kesting school of thought vs Nick Drossos. I'd watch that debate.
You could probably get a better advocate for open hand striking than Nick Drossos. :-P
TheCrushmaster he's the only one I know. Also I chose him because he's opposite on a lot of other things that Stephan is for.
I'm not actually that familiar with the work of Nick Drossos - I shall have to check it out and see where the points of convergence and divergence are...
Stephan Kesting He has 2 channels on RUclips. One is his actual name "Nick Drossos" and his other is "Code Red Defense.com"
Nick Drossos is full of shit. You are legit.
First to comment. Seriously though, great job as always Stephen. Gazoontite. ;)
Thank you for your first comment my fren!
I think Stephan is the realest self defense guy on youtube.
Is the knife hand pratical
Evin Wren Depends if you plan to strike with the tips of your fingers you'll just break them, and you can do some kind of chop but you can injure your hand with a chop. Hammer fist is better
You can injure your hand with a hammer fist as well! Truth be told, you can injure yourself striking someone with any part of your body. You can injure yourself grappling someone. Fighting hurts, which is why someone should only fight if they have no choice unless they are a sport fighter. Any striking method can be effective if used after proper training and any striking method can cause injury if done wrong. And in my experience, train to punch and punch fast, hard and precise to the places that put someone down.
With a palm, you can hit your attacker through the nose. With a fist, you can damage your knuckles.
I agree that using fists is instinctive. However, this example is about a kickboxer who (a) trains/fights using punching, and (b) probably doesn't do fist conditioning.
So the end result not surprising! 🤔
I'll still prefer using fist. Palm strikes isn't all that amazing when adrenaline kicks in. Its just one of the attacks I use, not all however.
If you learn how to punch you ( probably ) won't break your wrist but you'll still break your knuckle which usually take weeks to heal. But it's better than losing a fight and had to heal for an even longer period of time.
Palm strike is just for pushing people away for me. Other than that it won't cause enough damage.
Well you know what? Try go for a second option. Slap. It leaves stinging pain even when you are in adrenaline ( don't ask why I know, I learned it the hard way ) and you'll have even less chance of breaking your wrist.
bare hands, open hand, elbow block and RIP your fist, you got knockouted, because after breaking fingers you just cant continue fight.
Winter, garden gloves or something protective like this, fist for sure.
Both depends
I like the first thought "punching is natural" I just did a video on this
Streetwise Tactics - it isn't. It's cultural. All our striking sports use a fist..... In a glove.
I'd go as far as saying that no strikes with the hands are "natural." They are for grabbing.
@@briansheeran4185 if that were the case no one would punch in anger only grab, people grab wrestle as well sure, but watch a lot of violence caught on camera then answer that question... lots of punching going on
@@briansheeran4185 what culture doesn't punch? I know women more naturally slap and grab (especially hair)
Streetwise Tactics - It isn't natural to do so many things that we do. Wear clothes, cultivate plants, ride in wheeled vehicles, fly, watch TV...... Almost everything we do is the result of cultural development. And yes, probably all cultures punch. Because Boxing (and other arts) was MASSIVE throughout the world.
Is it a coincidence that fighting sports are mostly watched by men who, of course, do most of the punching. Whilst women grab hair and scratch the eyes?
I'm not saying that non natural things aren't great. I love the TV..... I'm just saying that it isn't natural to punch.
Years ago a guy tried to convince me it was. "Look," he said, "hold out your finger to a baby. He'll make a fist around it."
Errrrrr.... That baby isn't making a fist. It's grabbing.
@@briansheeran4185 ok that's great.. but when someone wants to inflict damage upon another human there is a tendency for males especially to clench their fist instead of say a plam strike, nothing is set in stone, but that's what a lot of evidence suggests and from my own and other people I've trained with who do open hand strikes, when the shit hit the fan defaulted back to punching. I myself trained open hand strikes for years because of hand injuries I got doing security but I had another incident nearly two years ago and defaulted back to punching, so that's why I make that statement
Shouldn't fight instinctive but calm and consiously
So true dude... in a streetfight recently I dodged successively every single one of his instinctive moves and got hit by 1 or 2 but didn't even hurt. I just threw 1 punch on that guy and the fight was over with him having a scar on his eye
@@chrisven899 Yep.. Remain calm & breathe.. Let them flap their jaws while yours is clenched tight XD
In my old school we punched sandbags for a long time. Made the bones harder and they are much more dense now! Takes a LONG time though.
Awesome
HOLY SHIT SOMEONE FINALLY SAID A NORMALY TRUTH!! USE THIS USE THAT.. BLA BLA.. GUYS, USE FUCKING PUNCHES!!!!!
You rock 😀
Guys your have a giraffe ...in a real fight use your fists ..the adrenaline s pumping and you will not feel any damage to your knuckles until the fights over ....honestly take it from me ...fists cause split lips and broken teeth and noses ...slaps are effective but will not roduce the same damage in the shortest time !
Punch 👊
He got his fingers broken several times, does that mean he haa been in a life threatening situation several times and has punched his way out of it? Seems rough bro XD
I would say you use both open hand and fist, horses for courses.
If you have a guy on the ground don't punch to many times switch over to the pump on the end of the radius bone use it like a hammer with your palm up and your fist curled inwards
Try not to punch in a street fight. Push them away instead. You may win the fight today against the aggressor by punching him but the next time he would take revenge on you.
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If you can end it by just pushing him away, then it's not a fight yet.
Once you are in a fight, best to win!
On your point of possible revenge, though...
If you are likely to see this person again, then you might want to win the fight 'fairly'.
A fairly and thoroughly beaten man has less motivation for revenge. Compared to, say you gouged his eyes or pulled a weapon or your friends joined in.
Then you may need to watch your back.
Yeah, a closed fist is obviously more effective than an open palm. It's all about money. Bust your fist it's gonna cost you. Having whacked my fist against a brick wall in my youthful anger, I doubt this applies to me. Still, in a real fight, I might offer my crown.
What are your thoughts about striking the body with your fists?
Marcel Douwstra Body shots with closed fists are good. Liver shots with fists are good.
I strike my body all the time with my fists. To condition it against being hit.
Oh, you mean other people's bodies? Sure. But in a real fight you're pretty much gonna throw everything to the head.
Both work, but if you have trained for years properly, punches are better.
Isn't the chance very high for your knuckles to be severaly injured after for example a strike to the nose
@@lucifermorningstar4500
Again, with training it’s minimized. Palm strikes are shorter, and don’t offer two hard knuckles as a striking surface.
Using my open hand I am able to gouge my attacker eyes out. My fist is too large to insert into someone's eye socket!
I do sometimes use my fist while fighting, shoving it up his ass. Call it 'fisting' if you will!
actionman935 i say you are not trying hard enough!
I agree.
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actionman935
You fight like a bitch. Change your name to "actionbitch935"
The Tyranpussyboy strikes again!
I defer to Sean Connery on this topic 😂
What do you say about the way they punch in Kuta/Hikuta? What about Systema?
You give one story, and it is somebody else's story. Have you even been in a street-fight? Don't answer that. You obviously haven't fought a lot of complete amateurs. An untrained punch is worthless. You are better off biting them. A punch is not instinctive, it's a learned behavior. The instinctive way to hit with a closed fist is the hammer blow. Now, once you get some training, you will use the strikes that fit your style and philosophy. As well as opportunity. There are, at least, a dozen different ways to hit with the hand. I personally use 11 different ways.
No, breaking your hand is not the end of the world and if you practice open hand grappling you can still grapple with a broken hand. Also, once you have broken your hand punching, you want to switch to open hand strikes with that hand, if you want to continue using it. When your opponent is trying to kill or seriously injure you, the fight does not end when you get hurt.
I can TOTALLY assure anybody that palm strikes, fists, elbows attacks, knees, dorso of hands, tibias, ulna, and even fingers, YES FINGERS too, are always great weapons when you know how to use them. However always great channel and humble and very intelligent and good master the guy. Respect and love from Sicily 🔥💖🐉
"Good head" is better ...)
My knuckles are hard enough for me to punch walls and make small cracks, without breaking My hand
Hammer fist
Hammer fist is really effective
Stop the cap……
I did this before I was a guy walked up to me and I palm smacked him in the nose then punched him in the throat 😂😂🤣
I know this guy who knew this guy who had a girlfriend in Canada who had a brother who broke his hand in street fight and died. 😮
DON'T AGREE
He has no idea what hes talking about he should stick to teaching what he actually know even if its not much thats the least he can do