who is getting there first? Small Glasses, high-end VR, or Affordable headsets? Thanks for VR Wave for sponsoring the video! Get your Prescription lenses HERE: ►bit.ly/vrwave_tyriel
of course you can, i do it everyday with virtual desktop, i have prescription lenses and my 3 physical displays are much easy to read in vr. i can even work anywhere. you can create virtual display in windows in crazy resolution such as 8k, i play flat games with this setup and its just crazy.
i doubt your using any quest headsets, i bought a quest 3 after 2. thinking id be able to read but its impossible to read anything even close to your face. theyve come along way but still arnt there yet.
@@DingleBerryschnapps how, i adjusted the pd and put at 63, allows me to read the monitor in front of me but its big. i cant read my phone for the life of me.
I have a Varjo headset which I've tried to use as a monitor replacement. Comfort is big (Varjo headstrap / weight are especially egregious) like Ty mentioned, but the ultimate blocker for me was the FoV. You don't realize how important having a background in your peripheral vision is for work until you've worked for 8 hours in a VR headset with nothing but the monitor visible because it takes up the entire FoV
I would have liked to have something like a mix of xreal one and immersed visor. As is an xreal one with pancake lenses for bigger fov. So like xreal vr 🙃 Is there something like that?
Hi, thanks for the great video and update. As a freelancer and software engineer, I've already made the commitment to work full-time in VR. My entire workflow, including programming, designing software, and attending meetings, takes place in virtual reality. I typically spend 8-9 hours per day working in VR, taking regular breaks from screens just as I would if I were using traditional monitors. I'm pleased to report that this setup works well for me. To facilitate my VR work, I've even built a custom workstation with no desk or external monitors. After about four years of working in VR, I couldn't imagine going back to traditional methods. I'm currently waiting for my Immersed Visor. For meetings I always use my Apple Vision Pro. I do not want to to miss the face expressions. While the devices may be a bit heavy, I haven't experienced any issues - thanks to my strong neck 🤣 Overall, I'm very satisfied with my VR workflow and look forward to seeing how the technology continues to evolve. Have a great day!
As the pass-through gets better and the headsets become smaller and lighter, this would definitely be a viable option . I think right now it’s more of a novelty, but you have to start somewhere. As the technology develops, it will become more and moreviable and practical. By the time we get to the Orion‘s, it will probably become normal practice.
I'm still using the quest pro with immersed on a daily basis to work as a software developer from home. I have total of 3 screens as a setup but I still prefer immersed over the real setup as I'm usually working with 4 monitors vs having 3. I'd say that quest pro + immersed is still a very good competitor vs quest 3 + remote desktop.
I have been working in my Quest 3 since I got it a year ago, but I'm a coder and don't do fine graphics work. I'm happy that they came out with the HDMI mirroring app. I really didn't like having to be connected to the Internet for Remote Desktop or Immersed to work. My XReals are my road warrior solution. They don't have the ability to have a bunch of windows open like my Quest 3, but the huge display is nice. Since they work with DP Type C micro PCs like my Orange Pi 5b, I'm thinking of it as a possibility for an ultra lightweight and cheap road warrior Linux system rather than lugging my laptop. It would be better if I could get an Intel based micro PC that could run things like Android Studio.
Feature request: I want LESS head movement to result in more virtual movement with a multiplication factor - otherwise, large enough virtual monitors will kill your neck in no time. Users shouldn’t have to turn their head more than some 15 degrees in any directions. And no, making the virtual monitors smaller or further away does not resolve this, not without an insane pixel/degree resolution. This might even be useful for simulators!
It’s always an issue low rez. My laptop is 4k and what you want is it to use what you already use. But it will ruin all the layout when it resizes. Then you exit and your laptop is all mixed up.
I have a good question to ask you, MX AIR is the pen that is recognized by the Quest3 if I connect it to the PC can I use it for sculpture tools for example Blender??
Vision Pro is out of the question, it’s too expensive, my question is quest 3 or xreal one? I want to work and game on the laptop. Is the xreal giving you a workable screen size (bigger than a normal 24 inch screen standing on your desk 50cm away)
I have all I prefer the xReal one because boss audio light weight and portable and massive ultra wide. Vision pro... No sound from laptop. Quest is just using remote desktop most companies have that disabled.
I've been using virtual desktop with a couple virtual monitors in my quest 3 lately. I've found that the resolution scales a lo better than other options, specially in the virtual environments, and it performs really well, although I don't think it'd run on any potato pc. Also immersed is a great option for vision pro and quest, maybe you could give it a try if you haven't.(specially with the new update that let's you add browser windows without running virtual monitors on your pc)
Hopefully all these superlight, super tiny VR HMDs actually release and come down in price, and maybe we'll get a true monitor replacement that is truly viable.
Why is 1080p, not enough? Many people still have 1080p monitors and have no problems. I typed up documents on a sub-720p VGA monitor without issue at work. People in the past did plenty of work with standard-definition monitors.
It's an issue mostly for people that work in very detail workloads like video editing, plus 1080p looks a lot worse in vr since you get basically a double screen door effect. However it's still usable as long a you scale text relatively largeor you get a high bitrate 1080p
The problem is not the resolution as much, but how it is rendering within the headset. As with the screen door effect lower res becomes less usable, 1080 p for example is completely fine with the XREAL, because of the pixel density
The only place where I'd like to work in VR would be on the go in a train or plane - and there I don't want to carry additional devices. I absolutely don't like multi-monitor setups, instead I love to have highres single displays, for me 1080p screens don't fit anymore. The Apple setup "just works" and you don't have the hassle of setting up an access point, right? Is the Quest + Windows setup also working with Wifi Direct or another p2p Wifi Technology or do you need to be connected to a hotspot? Don't get me wrong - I'll be an early adopter who will buy AR glasses when they are little mature and just fit into everyday life. I think it's important to have this experiments but so far for me the current state looks like to be in a kind of research / development state. I love my Quest for gaming, but I don't see me using my Quest or other headset to work, watch movies (except for very rare 3d content) or browse the web. When I'm traveling it's absolutely fine for me to have a laptop. And if I really need a second screen a tablet can help on the go and some other stuff you can do on the smartphone. I already have so many devices that work very well combined together. Don't feel the need to carry my VR headset as it needs more space in luggage than my MacBook, iPad, iPhone and all accessories together😄. It would be a dream to have devices small and lightweight that just connect to your phone and having tech that makes it possible to share content easily with others who also have this kind of glasses on their nose so that direct social interaction with XR content would be possible.
You can have three Windows displays in the Quest, but only in small size. When you go big size (fullscreen and curved), there is only ONE display visible at the same time. That's a huge bummer since small displays are of no use. Oh, and if you power off your Quest, all windows on your PC get totally messed up (old and never fixed Window bug, thank you, Microsoft), giving you a hard time to re-order them again when working without the Quest.
Good comparison, I'll wait until the xreal one pro come out(57° FOV) and there are some reviews of it but it seems to be a pretty decent portable solution, in the upcoming years both approaches(VR and "AR" glasses) will improve to the point where they will be a better choice than multiple monitors.
This is what I have been waiting for with VR headsets, and am grateful to apple for pushing XR as much as they did while most others were stratifying devices to VR and AR only. When Resolution, Passthrough and FOV reach that of the vision pro in a lightweight device (no onboard hardware needed if you are sat down, replacing a couple of 27" monitors on an office desk for little extra cost with all the upsides of portability it will really take off. The biggest side benefit i see in replacing office monitors with headsets (even tethered) may well come to remote working where currently collaboration is the looser making a quick breakout room with colleagues can replace walking across the office, let alone managers will be able to see what people are doing again (not actually important for any other reason than their own self importance but your CEO noty feeling like he is able to know that he has his beavers all busy will sooth some EGOSand may stop the return to office panic currently happening).
I own quest 3 and dread to use it for pc games (forget the stand-alone trash) yet alone for watching movies. I can’t imagine ever doing any work on it. This tech is at least 5 years before it may be vaguely usable if not 10 given how slow it moves and how expensive it is. And no quest 3 is not worth the money in the slightest. I would not take it for half the price having experienced it.
To me it’s not even an attractive use case, when I work I need more focus not less haha. There are some applications where a second screen is useful but otherwise big no for me, having a spotify etc floating around saves you like 100ms to change windows.
Using the Fluid app on the Quest 3 with the open facial interface plus bluetooth mouse and keyboard is a game changer. Comfort for hours and no need to be te tethered to a PC.
the vision pro with a protective cover looks so goofy omg nooooooo, man the irony of people spending 5 grand to have to put a condo. m on a vr headset is sad
Same thing with phone cases. I've always thought how the designers just feel knowing how many years they meticulously design these things only for people to wrap them up with $10 plastic. I've never used a phone case, only shattered one device in my life (knock on wood) lol
I have a one hour commute by train. Since the travel mode landed I started working on virtual screens a lot. Even in an environment like a train you can have perfect privacy. ruclips.net/video/LrQdELuH8CQ/видео.html
Without even seeing the video: No you can't - who the f*** would want to sit with that sweaty headset and do serious work? We are SO FAR from it with the current headsets. Even though the functionality in the software is there, the hardware is too clumsy, warm, heavy for it to be desirable. I wear it for gaming, because it brings something that I want, which I could not get without wearing the headset.
Why the f**k are y’all sweating so much in these headsets. Even when I’m playing an active game I’m not sweating like that . The only time I break a sweat in a headset is if I’m playing thrill of the fight where I am basically shadowboxing the entire time.
@@chrikkeif your thinking of the quest 2. Yeah it’s bad. The quest 3 is pretty nice tho! Could wear for hours. Especially if you get a more comfortable headstrap.
@exploiting4daysd105 but again, that's not really the problem. Sure, it can be worn for quite a while, but have fun reading text for 4 hours in it. The resolution is not nearly good enough to not cause eye strain. It does not even come close to a used 50 dollar monitor, in terms of how it looks, and the comfort.
![BLACK BAG - Official Trailer [HD] - Only in Theaters March 14](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Du0Xp8WX_7I/mqdefault.jpg)
who is getting there first? Small Glasses, high-end VR, or Affordable headsets?
Thanks for VR Wave for sponsoring the video! Get your Prescription lenses HERE:
►bit.ly/vrwave_tyriel
I'll keep my HP Reverb G2 V2 and wait for Valve. ;).
of course you can, i do it everyday with virtual desktop, i have prescription lenses and my 3 physical displays are much easy to read in vr. i can even work anywhere. you can create virtual display in windows in crazy resolution such as 8k, i play flat games with this setup and its just crazy.
which headset are you using?
i doubt your using any quest headsets, i bought a quest 3 after 2. thinking id be able to read but its impossible to read anything even close to your face. theyve come along way but still arnt there yet.
@@ProPandaPlaysI use a quest 3 for work almost every day for hours and hours
@@ProPandaPlays I have a Q3 and I can read everything. My phone, my watch. Everything.
@@DingleBerryschnapps how, i adjusted the pd and put at 63, allows me to read the monitor in front of me but its big. i cant read my phone for the life of me.
I have a Varjo headset which I've tried to use as a monitor replacement. Comfort is big (Varjo headstrap / weight are especially egregious) like Ty mentioned, but the ultimate blocker for me was the FoV. You don't realize how important having a background in your peripheral vision is for work until you've worked for 8 hours in a VR headset with nothing but the monitor visible because it takes up the entire FoV
I would have liked to have something like a mix of xreal one and immersed visor.
As is an xreal one with pancake lenses for bigger fov.
So like xreal vr 🙃
Is there something like that?
Hi, thanks for the great video and update. As a freelancer and software engineer, I've already made the commitment to work full-time in VR. My entire workflow, including programming, designing software, and attending meetings, takes place in virtual reality. I typically spend 8-9 hours per day working in VR, taking regular breaks from screens just as I would if I were using traditional monitors. I'm pleased to report that this setup works well for me. To facilitate my VR work, I've even built a custom workstation with no desk or external monitors. After about four years of working in VR, I couldn't imagine going back to traditional methods. I'm currently waiting for my Immersed Visor. For meetings I always use my Apple Vision Pro. I do not want to to miss the face expressions. While the devices may be a bit heavy, I haven't experienced any issues - thanks to my strong neck 🤣 Overall, I'm very satisfied with my VR workflow and look forward to seeing how the technology continues to evolve. Have a great day!
As the pass-through gets better and the headsets become smaller and lighter, this would definitely be a viable option . I think right now it’s more of a novelty, but you have to start somewhere. As the technology develops, it will become more and moreviable and practical. By the time we get to the Orion‘s, it will probably become normal practice.
I would say it's just past the point of novelty.
@@DingleBerryschnapps I could definitely see that depending on the person and the headset. I don’t think we’re far off.
Please make sure to compare this with Visor once it gets off the ground.
I dont think that product is ever releasing
@@thedrivetosuccess7389 Check back in here in 1 month...
@@thedrivetosuccess7389it's close enough that it would be strange that it doesn't get at least a limited release
I'm still using the quest pro with immersed on a daily basis to work as a software developer from home. I have total of 3 screens as a setup but I still prefer immersed over the real setup as I'm usually working with 4 monitors vs having 3. I'd say that quest pro + immersed is still a very good competitor vs quest 3 + remote desktop.
I have been working in my Quest 3 since I got it a year ago, but I'm a coder and don't do fine graphics work. I'm happy that they came out with the HDMI mirroring app. I really didn't like having to be connected to the Internet for Remote Desktop or Immersed to work.
My XReals are my road warrior solution. They don't have the ability to have a bunch of windows open like my Quest 3, but the huge display is nice. Since they work with DP Type C micro PCs like my Orange Pi 5b, I'm thinking of it as a possibility for an ultra lightweight and cheap road warrior Linux system rather than lugging my laptop. It would be better if I could get an Intel based micro PC that could run things like Android Studio.
Which is better for acuity?
Feature request: I want LESS head movement to result in more virtual movement with a multiplication factor - otherwise, large enough virtual monitors will kill your neck in no time. Users shouldn’t have to turn their head more than some 15 degrees in any directions. And no, making the virtual monitors smaller or further away does not resolve this, not without an insane pixel/degree resolution. This might even be useful for simulators!
It’s always an issue low rez. My laptop is 4k and what you want is it to use what you already use.
But it will ruin all the layout when it resizes. Then you exit and your laptop is all mixed up.
Happy Holidays !!
Mine is already replaced in 50% of cases. With Vision Pro.
If that price just was a bit more sensible…
I have a good question to ask you, MX AIR is the pen that is recognized by the Quest3 if I connect it to the PC can I use it for sculpture tools for example Blender??
Yes it does. 1592 hours in Immersed since Feb this year for work and hdmi link for media and flat gaming in vr.
Quest?
@Elgansayer first a quest 2 and then a quest 3s.
@Elgansayer was very popular when we all worked in the office for Christmas dinner and the team meeting.
For privacy laptop it's great!! WoW
Hi Tyriel, does the blue colour facial interface bleed light similar to the orange one??
Thanks
Nope, a bit more than the black one of course but nothing like the orange one, that one is transparent 😂
Vision Pro is out of the question, it’s too expensive, my question is quest 3 or xreal one?
I want to work and game on the laptop.
Is the xreal giving you a workable screen size (bigger than a normal 24 inch screen standing on your desk 50cm away)
I have all I prefer the xReal one because boss audio light weight and portable and massive ultra wide. Vision pro... No sound from laptop. Quest is just using remote desktop most companies have that disabled.
Are you able to bump up the native Windows res with something like Quest Optimizer?
I've been using virtual desktop with a couple virtual monitors in my quest 3 lately. I've found that the resolution scales a lo better than other options, specially in the virtual environments, and it performs really well, although I don't think it'd run on any potato pc. Also immersed is a great option for vision pro and quest, maybe you could give it a try if you haven't.(specially with the new update that let's you add browser windows without running virtual monitors on your pc)
Hopefully all these superlight, super tiny VR HMDs actually release and come down in price, and maybe we'll get a true monitor replacement that is truly viable.
Why is 1080p, not enough? Many people still have 1080p monitors and have no problems. I typed up documents on a sub-720p VGA monitor without issue at work. People in the past did plenty of work with standard-definition monitors.
Thank you. I wouldnt have said this better
It's an issue mostly for people that work in very detail workloads like video editing, plus 1080p looks a lot worse in vr since you get basically a double screen door effect. However it's still usable as long a you scale text relatively largeor you get a high bitrate 1080p
Because you're only typing... You could basically work from a phone.
The problem is not the resolution as much, but how it is rendering within the headset. As with the screen door effect lower res becomes less usable, 1080 p for example is completely fine with the XREAL, because of the pixel density
Are there any VR headsets that can do color grading?
The only place where I'd like to work in VR would be on the go in a train or plane - and there I don't want to carry additional devices. I absolutely don't like multi-monitor setups, instead I love to have highres single displays, for me 1080p screens don't fit anymore. The Apple setup "just works" and you don't have the hassle of setting up an access point, right? Is the Quest + Windows setup also working with Wifi Direct or another p2p Wifi Technology or do you need to be connected to a hotspot?
Don't get me wrong - I'll be an early adopter who will buy AR glasses when they are little mature and just fit into everyday life. I think it's important to have this experiments but so far for me the current state looks like to be in a kind of research / development state. I love my Quest for gaming, but I don't see me using my Quest or other headset to work, watch movies (except for very rare 3d content) or browse the web. When I'm traveling it's absolutely fine for me to have a laptop. And if I really need a second screen a tablet can help on the go and some other stuff you can do on the smartphone. I already have so many devices that work very well combined together. Don't feel the need to carry my VR headset as it needs more space in luggage than my MacBook, iPad, iPhone and all accessories together😄. It would be a dream to have devices small and lightweight that just connect to your phone and having tech that makes it possible to share content easily with others who also have this kind of glasses on their nose so that direct social interaction with XR content would be possible.
1080p monitors have been used and continue to be used in a lot of workflow. Not sure what youre talking about
how to connect meta q3 to macbook
You can have three Windows displays in the Quest, but only in small size. When you go big size (fullscreen and curved), there is only ONE display visible at the same time. That's a huge bummer since small displays are of no use. Oh, and if you power off your Quest, all windows on your PC get totally messed up (old and never fixed Window bug, thank you, Microsoft), giving you a hard time to re-order them again when working without the Quest.
Good comparison, I'll wait until the xreal one pro come out(57° FOV) and there are some reviews of it but it seems to be a pretty decent portable solution, in the upcoming years both approaches(VR and "AR" glasses) will improve to the point where they will be a better choice than multiple monitors.
This is what I have been waiting for with VR headsets, and am grateful to apple for pushing XR as much as they did while most others were stratifying devices to VR and AR only.
When Resolution, Passthrough and FOV reach that of the vision pro in a lightweight device (no onboard hardware needed if you are sat down, replacing a couple of 27" monitors on an office desk for little extra cost with all the upsides of portability it will really take off.
The biggest side benefit i see in replacing office monitors with headsets (even tethered) may well come to remote working where currently collaboration is the looser making a quick breakout room with colleagues can replace walking across the office, let alone managers will be able to see what people are doing again (not actually important for any other reason than their own self importance but your CEO noty feeling like he is able to know that he has his beavers all busy will sooth some EGOSand may stop the return to office panic currently happening).
I just wish they updated Quest Link and added passthrough view.
You should try the xReal one with the beam pro and use it as a wireless monitor
Any good?
I own quest 3 and dread to use it for pc games (forget the stand-alone trash) yet alone for watching movies. I can’t imagine ever doing any work on it. This tech is at least 5 years before it may be vaguely usable if not 10 given how slow it moves and how expensive it is. And no quest 3 is not worth the money in the slightest. I would not take it for half the price having experienced it.
no because it requires a driver for it to work. try booting to the bios I bet its a blank screen
To me it’s not even an attractive use case, when I work I need more focus not less haha. There are some applications where a second screen is useful but otherwise big no for me, having a spotify etc floating around saves you like 100ms to change windows.
Can VR finally REPLACE your Monitors in 2024? NO
It's great but the resolution and the brightness of the Q3 are just too low for long sessions compared to my monitor.
I disagree. 👍
gaming working watching .... thats the point of Question
Using the Fluid app on the Quest 3 with the open facial interface plus bluetooth mouse and keyboard is a game changer. Comfort for hours and no need to be te tethered to a PC.
the vision pro with a protective cover looks so goofy omg nooooooo, man the irony of people spending 5 grand to have to put a condo. m on a vr headset is sad
Just hating on something you cannot afford 😂
Same thing with phone cases. I've always thought how the designers just feel knowing how many years they meticulously design these things only for people to wrap them up with $10 plastic. I've never used a phone case, only shattered one device in my life (knock on wood) lol
Quest 3: probably not
Apple vision: definitely
I have a one hour commute by train. Since the travel mode landed I started working on virtual screens a lot.
Even in an environment like a train you can have perfect privacy.
ruclips.net/video/LrQdELuH8CQ/видео.html
Without even seeing the video: No you can't - who the f*** would want to sit with that sweaty headset and do serious work? We are SO FAR from it with the current headsets. Even though the functionality in the software is there, the hardware is too clumsy, warm, heavy for it to be desirable. I wear it for gaming, because it brings something that I want, which I could not get without wearing the headset.
With quest 3 you can just get a accessory that has a fan in the top of the face part to cool you down
Yes and you can also get a accessory to reduce the size of it by 50 % and the weight of it by 92%
Why the f**k are y’all sweating so much in these headsets. Even when I’m playing an active game I’m not sweating like that . The only time I break a sweat in a headset is if I’m playing thrill of the fight where I am basically shadowboxing the entire time.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. I use my Apple Vision Pro and Immersed for hours every day with no issues.
@@busyswizzler you must be talking about the AVP. Nobody cares about the AVP.
No.
3rd comment
No. Just no. Not if you like to use your computer for more than 30 minutes
I spend a lot longer than 30 minutes in a headset.
You must have a weak neck?
@@angeloh-u1q what in the world are you talking about? That's like the smallest issue with current gen vr headset
@@chrikkeif your thinking of the quest 2. Yeah it’s bad. The quest 3 is pretty nice tho! Could wear for hours. Especially if you get a more comfortable headstrap.
@exploiting4daysd105 but again, that's not really the problem.
Sure, it can be worn for quite a while, but have fun reading text for 4 hours in it. The resolution is not nearly good enough to not cause eye strain.
It does not even come close to a used 50 dollar monitor, in terms of how it looks, and the comfort.
"working" inside vr is cringe.
Judging on something that is already hardest to judge without trying it is so much more cringe 😂