Annie is the awesome princess and will defend her father as he did for her so many times. You go pretty girl! We are all rooting for you and love you 😘
Poor my baby girl 😫 please stop worrying Annie & please eat!! 🙏 Not just Nene & Ai, Shabani too have been spoiling Kiyomasa since he was a little. Shabani just realized that his son need to be corrected but it's a bit too late now that he is already used to have his own way. Annie loves his daddy more than anything, he is the one who always look out for her since she was a baby, when her own mother Ai refused to take her. I hope everything will be back to normal soon 🙏😢
Poor Sweet Annie Looks SO Thin .My Heart breaks for her. She is so stressed about her family. They ALL Look stressed. I’m concerned 😢😢😢 I Love this family.
I hope and pray they step in to help Annie eat before something bad happens. I've seen a steady decline in her weight for a while now...she isn't getting better. So sad.
I feel so sad for Annie :( She just wants everyone to be together again. She really took down Nene! I feel sad for Kiyomasa too, he must feel isolated and stressed.
Annie always takes Shabani side in fights and if Annie starts messing with Nene and she gets mad Shabani still takes Annie's side. Japan is so lucky to have this amazing Troop of gorillas. I wish they where in America I would love to go see them.
I sure hope they do devise one. They need to separate Kiyomasa and maybe even Annie for some portion of the day to help reduce stress; I hope that is the only thing wrong with her. Maybe let Kiyomasa have his own space with his mom and Annie spending some portion of each day with him.
Энни сильно похудела, она явно болеет, у неё и шерсть плохая. Просто слезы смотреть и на неё и на семью. Какие они все впечатлительные, так переживают 🙏🙏🙏🥲
Привет! А вы не знаете, они как то подрались получается и Энни начала худеть? Я просто смотрела видео еще 3недельной давности, и там у Энни животик уже тоже худенький, получается это не внезапно произошло 😕 Надеюсь все будет в порядке
Looks like the same thing that happened with Frank and Winston unfortunately 😢kiyo is such a sweetie but he’s already huge and as nature calls him to he’s “going” to try and dominate. the difference is Shabani isn’t old, and is not going to allow that! Kiyo unfortunately needs to be moved. Annie and nene 😮 sad but she’s a daddy’s girl, and there’s always been bad blood between them 😢.Has anyone noticed how skinny Annie is😮 what is going on, is this from stress?
I haven't watched these guys for about a week and was so shocked with her appearance especially in such a short time. The video I saw her in she looked kind of out of it too. Poor girl she is so sweet. I sometimes wonder if I should keep watching these videos . My heart gets too invested and eventually events and age etc. will happen
I agree! Shabani has been sitting back and watching Kyo for months. Shabani is so smart I was waiting for the 🔥 to come. I believe it is time to move Kyo soon. Shabani will hurt him. Also time for new females for Shabani and more babies. He should have so many offspring by now!
Misa'che Shabani vorrebbe tanto far pace con Ai,e nello stesso tempo sembra che la insegue perché pensa che dove c'è lei c'è anche Kiyomasa, io vedo Ai molto preoccupata per sua mamma e per Kiyomasa e non presta attenzione a Annie che in questo momento ha tanto bisogno di lei. Comunque bella mossa di Annie nel cercare di fermare Nene in corsa. Grazie ai custodi che si prendono cura di Annie e di tutta questa splendida famiglia. Tornate presto a mangiare Amori belli!❤️🍀❤️☮️
Annie has a score to settle with Nene, nice take down girl..Of course she will always be daddies little princess, he has been there for Annie from day one. Kiyomasa is Nene's little prince. Annie is looking so skinny, the stress is getting to her.. It's a sad time for them all..Hope they can sort it out..😢
@@TheFlashyWeasel I just finished watching Momo & Genki trying to get it on.🤣 Why does everyone want them to have another baby. Kintaro will go through the same thing Gentaro did.🤔 Anyway got sidetracked, Annie is not looking healthy, I think Kiyomasa got caught messing around with her & Shabani lost it, guess we will never know as they can't talk to us.🤣 These 3 zoo's & Chiba have no idea what the hell they are doing. I pop over here now and then but I love the dynamics of the D'jeeco troop & they have a beautiful enclosure so the boys can rough & tumble without getting hurt. 🙋
@@kimgraham9671 it's speculation, but it's not the first time they were " getting friendly " but it might be the first time they got caught. If you could read body language for gorilla's it all makes sense.✌️
@@sonjavandam1306 hey there mate, yes I agree. Genkie has done her part in her life.. why put her through all that again even though she seems to be willing... It really is all she has... But I don't think she has the health to have another offspring. People just want the cute factor and something to follow without realizing what it does to the mother especially in Genki's case. You know Kintaro was going to go after her the same way Gentaro did as he gets older... So in my opinion, Kintaro should be her last, otherwise it's all about the money and the draw of a new baby. As far as Annie is concerned I agree something is not good with her I'm sure she is going through the same stresses with the fighting with Shabani and Kiyo... Everything was going so well with those two they were still playful but now things are changing and hopefully the keepers we'll find ways to motivate them to eat at the stressful time. I know Annie has lost a lot of hair in her youth she used to pluck it off her stomach... But it's very easy to see it's not hair loss, she's definitely down in weight. Shabani's exhibit is far larger and the troop can be rotated to give Kiyo some alone time. I don't think he should be around Annie or rotated with her, because Kiyo has certainly had his way with her if you get my drift 😉 we can only hope the best for both troops, and that things will work out. If Kyoto does have some animal loan agreements between them and Taiwan, now would be the best time if possible. ✌️👍
There is no family without conflicts. Especially in such a small society as this one. But all these quarrels end in peace and harmony, Shabani is a wise and intelligent guy.
I have seen other zoo's give them honey water, maybe they can get them to eat if they give the something different like fruit for a bit. Annie's stomach in actually concave. This fight must have been a lot worse than we have seen off camera.
Pobre familia vive en mucho estrés 😔 casi nunca están comiendo siempre andan a la expectativa y peleando con el padre! Necesitan llevar a annie con gentaro y ponerlos a ellos 2 solos para que vivan felices.💝🙏
@10:00 What a sweet but sad face. I noticed Annie's weight loss on the last 2 videos, If the zookeepers could put out fruits and yogurt bottles for just one meal, it could get them back together by eating something special and maybe it'll get their minds away from the stress that caused the disturbance. Kiyo was so human like hiding the other day, I find it so amazing how close they are to our behaviors. Annie is a good girl just trying to stop the nonsense, and I'm sure that Kiyomasa did something disrespectful towards his father who is king and should be respected. Shabani is a loving father and I'm sure it's hurting him as well.
Annie appears to be dealing with the family stress by not eating. It’s similar to when Kintaro wouldn’t eat and lost a lot of weight when Momotaro was sick. Maybe put her and Kiyomasa in an area together to see if they will eat because Annie will soon be too weak to move if she continues this much longer.
If Annie is drinking water then maybe they should give her protein smoothie instead of just water. They aren’t intervening in a way to help her. At this point, she should be in a private room receiving care instead of on exhibit while we watch her wither away.
Nene has always been overprotective of Kiyomasa, and was vicious toward Annie when she was a baby. It seems the original fight was between Shabani and Kiyomasa. I'm guessing Kiyomasa overstepped his boundaries and thought he could take on Shabani (think Winston and Frank). Kiyomasa is what about 10 yrs now? He's feeling his oats and Shabani's not having it. He's still in great shape. Gotta admit though Nene may be old but she's still a force of nature. That was a helluva block by Annie. No one hurts her daddy. This disruption seems to be longstanding. Poor Annie is too thin. A healthy gorilla, an herbivore, should have a big round belly and more muscle mass. I'd hate to think what happened to Genki doesn't happen to her. For Genki she was down to 65 pounds and had chewed off at least 2 fingertips before Ueno zoo sent her back to KyotoCity Zoo. I think they need to separate Kiyomasa to an adjacent area that still allows family members vocal and scent interaction so Kiyomasa still knows he has family support. Annie's situation is more urgent. She needs to go to hospital asap for resuscitation (hydration and caloties). Remember how fast Momotaro went down in 2021 from a reaction (diarrhea) to meds for wound care. She should have contact with Shabani for emotional support. I'm sorry this is so long. I'm very upset that a solution to a preventable situation appears to be lagging and lacking. These animals go down fast, and the loss of poor Annie is not acceptable. More important to the zoo, if they do allow this to continue it will damage their standing with the gorilla conservation group and their ability to acquire more gorillas. Japan has only 19 gorillas left, 5 of which are elderly, and all the rest are genetically related, therefore no breeding females in very finite genetic lines.
Not too long! We love these troops and most of us have a lot of empathy towards them. They don’t speak to us so we have to watch their body language. I remember poor Kinny so weak and not even breast feeding but looking up at mom for help. Such a hard time.
So glad you’re sounding the alarm at high decibel. I hope somebody hears. It certainly does bring back how fast Momo went down, nearly all the way, and Kinny and Gentaro were so utterly distraught. And the extreme damage to Genki arising from her earlier trauma. Gorillas are as sensitive beings as we are and always attuned to family dynamics. A number of the keepers were watching thru the windows at the outset, which seemed like a good sign. But no follow thru that we’re able to see. Fingers crossed.
I completely understand the distraught over this situation. It's heart-wrenching to watch. Please keep in mind the zookeeper have a fine line to walk on when to interfere and that there may be more going on than what we know.
The fact Kiyo is acting this way speaks volumes about how generally good Kiyo and Shabani's relationship is. He is so shocked by even a bit of intimidation from Shabani. Shabani likely only rarely flaunts his 'alpha spot'. So it comes as a shock to Kiyomasa.
I think him and Shababo were playing and Nene thought big ole Shababo was attacking Kiyo and decided to hiss and take a fake whack at him which made him mad. Nene is known to be super over protective of Kiyo.
@@deniied5414 Maybe, but I think Kiyo's sustained reaction says Nene wasn't the cause for Kiyo to want to stay away. They have chased Shabani about 1000 times at this point, and this is the first time Kiyo felt the need to distance himself from Shabani for weeks before being able to bring himself to make up with Shabani. That's just a red flag for me that whatever happened really messed with Kiyo for a bit. Maybe they were playing, but Shabani for some reason decided to use his full strength for once and it just messed with Kiyomasa. Maybe he picked him up and threw him or something. Gorillas will do that when proving they are alpha sometimes.
You know who determines if Nene over reacts? She has always had a very strong bond to her son, and that’s where her allegiance will always be but she’s also gone after Shabani when he an Annie had a fight an with Ai she’s courageous as she is right up in his face an with no teeth lol. Love Nene she an Shabani always had a heated relationship think that why they all rile her up, gorillas like to chase lol
Yes. This is one family that will be devastated when one of the members dies or leaves! They have a very strong bond! I’ve seen other troops fight but that doesn’t stop them from eating!
I think is time to move both of them 🤔 because the son he is turning to be and adult the Dad wants to fight territory is sad to watch them.i had followe this gorilla family seen there were just little it has been almost 6 years. And now is sad the sister feels bad for his brother I think is time to move sister and brother to a different place 😢 💔 😔 😕
Dommage pas de traction en français 😪 je vois et je comprends que toute la famille est mal suite à la dispute entre le père et le fils .😪 C est fou les répercutions après sur le groupe . J espère que la relation entre shabani et son fils kiyomasa va s amélioré 😪
You know.....maybe Annie goes to Ai, because she is asking if it were the right thing to do. To stop Nene. It's a shame that close family like Shabani, Annie n Kiyo, must leave each other.😢 it is natrual for them to do.....but when they are ready. This is why I am passionate. I've been passionate for 30+ years. I would have been an advocate for all primates....but my life suddenly went into a different direction. Anyway, the gorillas, chimps Oranitange, all, need more stimulation because they will never be in their natural habitat. Bigger enclosures, balls, boxes, deer, pools, swings. All these things if we don't teach them simple sign language. 😮 Enrichment.
It was very hard on Winston when they had to take Frank and separate him. They were all very upset, I haven't watched them in a long. The difference in that situation is Winston is elderly, no one will take Shabani down. He is young and prime. In the wild Kiyo would have been booted out by now
I feel so bad for Annie in the middle of all this it's really taking a toll on her I think something needs to be done sooner rather than later or tragedy is going to be the outcome 😭😭😭
I feel bad for all of them. I can't say much about Annie's weight, but when Tayari was Annie's age, she had that exact same body. It's possible that it's because she's young that she looks too thin, but I'll leave that up to the zookeepers to decide. It's possible that Kiyomasa is getting to the point where he either needs to be completely submissive to his dad or to live in a bachelor group.
Or maybe Kiyomasa need's to stop " playing" with his sister. It's the only thing I can think of that would make Shabani act like this. Body language says they look guilty. Just speculating.
It is not unusual for a teen male to test his father. But, it is very unusual for a gorilla to stop eating and lose weight unless they are ill. I hope the zoo is running all the tests they need to. Gorilla can get a very serious digestive illness. Some in one of the German zoos had it. Annie looks very sick.
I think it's about time they put Gentaro with Annie and Kiyomasa with momoka (yes I know they're cousins but it's not as bad in gorillas communities. Look at royal family in humans, they do it and kiyomasa & momoka don't even know each other)
I'm new to this channel and I have to say that I have never seen a gorilla as skinny as Annie. The zoo needs to run tests on her and find out what is wrong with her. I see food all over their enclosure, so neglect is not a factor here. Please look into this issue. All these gorillas look so stressed out and tense all the time, at least in the 6 videos I've watched.
Their respect for the personal space of others is impressive. Of course, they really need a spacious enclosure, they are mobile animals, although they like to rest. They seem very dangerous and wild from a distance. If you look closely, you are impressed by their love for their relatives. They are very big, scary and direct and sincere. Nene is very difficult, she is already old. I often see how hard she breathes. But she is the wisest of them, and it seems as if Shabani obeys her?
Oh my Lord could Shabani be any cuter than when he was resting his chin in the fire hose? Course it's a different Shabani when he is correcting a family member! It's all business then! ❤❤❤
My fears are coming to a horrible reality, these zoos have to relocate these boys now. It would have been better sooner than later. Everyone not wanting to break up the families this was going to happen with females there, I don't think there is no coming back at this situation. I thought it was going to be Momo and Gentaro first. I have seen many videos when in the wild silverbacks start to challenge it does not end well. They fight to the death and or die from the injuries. This is very upsetting
Do you really expect them to do the right thing. Komomo is 13, Gentaro 10, Kiyomasa. Wtf. They haven't planned for their future. It's like Japan is winging it.
@@sonjavandam1306 I guess they are, there is a video on from earlier today from channel Japan Zoo is that the zoo takers? Saying everyone's is resting and started eating and hopefully Kiyo has learned who the boss is. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Do they not know how horrible that was on them and so lucky it didn't escalate today, what about tomorrow? So foolish, any plans about when the girls time of the month is on? Lol , Can they at least get a Plan ready for WHEN it happens again. I loved how Winstons zoo handled it ,plan ready and executed smoothly. No harm done just Winstons ego and pride a little bruised. Sorry about my rant Sonja,I am just totally bewildered!
@@kimgraham9671 They really don't give a shit Kim. They can't do much as their reputation is so bad no one outside of Japan will touch them. I only saw a bit about Winston just before they seperated them but i've seen the toll it's taken on the other one ( Marilyn) he is almost bald. That Frank is one handsome & impressive silverback. 🦍
Kim, that is actually my name.😊 Do you know what is happening with these gorillas? I was in utter shock when I saw them from a few months ago. I faithfully watch the Momotaro family and I know they are planning on putting Gentaro, with Annie. He is such a wonderful and beautiful gorilla! I hope and pray that they don't send him to Annie's zoo. However, I fear that is inevitable!😪
@@cricket9629 Hi Cricket so sorry so long to answer you. Kiyo is coming of age and if in the wild he would be leaving to find his own family or hang with other males. There is only one |Silverback in charge, Kiyo may feel the urge to challenge his father and take charge. It is a very violent battle and only ends when one dies or runs away and they can die from injuries. It is natural part of life for them. Kiyo maybe got caught messing with Annie which is why he should leave anyways as they are related. He could have been disrespecting Shabani and Shabani is putting him in his place. Only the silverback in charge can mate in the troop. It is just a dangerous situation that shouldn't be stalled as it will happen, I would rather the arrangements be made for a new home. There is males coming of age that should be in new places and females also before inbreeding happens. I hope that helps some, if anyone has some input or corrections on any of my info would be appreciated for Cricket.
This video is from February 2023. At this time, Shabani and Kiyomasa had a fight, and Annie lost her appetite because she was worried about them. Her stomach became flat. No surgery was performed.
I don’t understand people that try to defend nene just because she’s old blah blah. Nene has always been a trouble maker undermining Shabani at every step. First with Annie kicking her since she was an infant and if wasn’t for Shabani defending Annie she could maybe died because her mother maybe seeing her punching Annie and being very submissive to Nene never defended her daughter. Now that Shabani needs to correct his son, Nenê made everything worst and Ai not very smart followers her mother actions , instead to support her daughter in this time of need. If wasn’t for the raucous they did , things would be normal by now since they have to obey the silverback and trust him to handle the situation. And the situation was so different from Frank situation at San Diego zoo where the majority of the troop supported their silverback! Shabani was all too nice.
Some common sense prevails. I concur with you sir. Nene is a Meanie, but when someone speaks bad about her everyone jumps on you. The little old lady act isn't cute.✌️
@@stevemorris6790 even now things are still tense, Shabs is not a happy camper, the old biddy shoots daggers at his. He deserves so much more than he is getting.
Poor Annie is missing her partner in crime. It’s so incredibly sad to see how upset this family is. Kiyomasa is so afraid of his father 😢. I don’t think Nene overreacted at all. That’s her baby boy. No one is going to hurt him while she’s around. Also, Annie is a daddy’s girl. She’s always going to take his side even if she thinks he’s wrong. I’m the same with my father. I really thought things would be better by now.
Nene always undermined Shabani started with kicking Annie, so can imagine if Shabani didn’t defend Annie from her rage? . She definitely overreacted and her actions made discipline Kiyo worst than needs!
@@stevemorris6790 it seems like it’s kinda common for the moms to interfere when their kids get disciplined. Genki usually yells at Momotaro and Tayari has chased D’Jeeco down for holding Jabali down. I understand why they do it but it does undermine the silverback’s decision.
I love how Annie protects her father. Just the same way her dad takes care of her❤
She's always loved her daddy.
I wish Shabani could’ve seen Annie “protecting” him. Love her
I didn't think Annie wanted to hurt Nene but definitely wanted to stop her! So precious protecting her dad! ❤❤❤
Annie is the awesome princess and will defend her father as he did for her so many times. You go pretty girl! We are all rooting for you and love you 😘
Poor my baby girl 😫 please stop worrying Annie & please eat!! 🙏 Not just Nene & Ai, Shabani too have been spoiling Kiyomasa since he was a little. Shabani just realized that his son need to be corrected but it's a bit too late now that he is already used to have his own way. Annie loves his daddy more than anything, he is the one who always look out for her since she was a baby, when her own mother Ai refused to take her. I hope everything will be back to normal soon 🙏😢
Oh beautiful Annie please eat. The keeper is trying to help you.
Poor Sweet Annie Looks SO Thin .My Heart breaks for her. She is so stressed about her family. They ALL Look stressed. I’m concerned 😢😢😢 I Love this family.
I thought so too. She seems so skinny and unhealthy 😢😢😢
Excellent story-telling in the subtitles. You've really captured the event for us.
I hope and pray they step in to help Annie eat before something bad happens. I've seen a steady decline in her weight for a while now...she isn't getting better. So sad.
I thought it was just me. She really is thinning.
Ya she is nothing like her mother. Ai is a very big lady gorilla and Annie is very very small for her age.
Me too! Love her!
Kudos to Annie for taking Nene down 😊
But Annie is not looking good due to the stress I sure hope she is going to be okay
Maybe they can add some vitamins to that water for Annie.
That was a big family fight I've never seen them not want to eat
I feel so sad for Annie :( She just wants everyone to be together again. She really took down Nene! I feel sad for Kiyomasa too, he must feel isolated and stressed.
Annie always takes Shabani side in fights and if Annie starts messing with Nene and she gets mad Shabani still takes Annie's side. Japan is so lucky to have this amazing Troop of gorillas. I wish they where in America I would love to go see them.
I'm sure the keepers are concerned about Annie's weight ..can't go on not eating...hope they'll devise a plan for her .
I sure hope they do devise one. They need to separate Kiyomasa and maybe even Annie for some portion of the day to help reduce stress; I hope that is the only thing wrong with her. Maybe let Kiyomasa have his own space with his mom and Annie spending some portion of each day with him.
I imagine they are as worried as us and believe they are doing everything in their power to help her.
Pretty girl has always been daddy's girl.
She tackle Nene like oh would just stop it 😆
12:24 このアニーちゃんの表情、切ない❤
お腹がへっ混んでしまって、疲れて、幽霊のように歩く姿は、痛々しい。
とても繊細なことが良くわかります。
キヨマサは勿論、シャバーニも困っているでしょう。
アニーは、人間に育てられた経験があるから、京都のゲンタロウと同じように、どこか違う部分があるのかもしれないと感じました。
Энни сильно похудела, она явно болеет, у неё и шерсть плохая. Просто слезы смотреть и на неё и на семью. Какие они все впечатлительные, так переживают 🙏🙏🙏🥲
Привет! А вы не знаете, они как то подрались получается и Энни начала худеть? Я просто смотрела видео еще 3недельной давности, и там у Энни животик уже тоже худенький, получается это не внезапно произошло 😕
Надеюсь все будет в порядке
@@yanchh тоже раньше замечала, что она худее всех. Ну, а сейчас они всё на стрессе.
アニーは、パパもお兄ちゃんも大好きですもんね😞
いつもの元気いっぱいのキヨマサに戻って、兄妹、父息子のじゃれあいが見れますように😢
ちょっと時間がかかりそうですね😔
This is how my family reacts after a heated argument. Gorilla's are 98% related to humans and this is very showing
アニーの痩せ方が…、
モモタロウが風邪をひいた時も普段元気いっぱいだったキンタロウが家族の異変を感じ取って食事を取らなくなり、動けなくなる程痩せてしまいました。
ゴリラって本当にデリケートな生き物なのだとつくづく感じます。モモタロウ一家は風邪で一波乱ありましたが
シャバーニ一家の方はキヨマサの思春期によっての家族内の亀裂となると、落ち着きどころが難しい感じがしますね。。また仲良い関係になるといいですが
とにかく今はアニーの体力が心配です、回復して欲しいです。
They all know he must go, but not so easy when not free. High stress for them
Looks like the same thing that happened with Frank and Winston unfortunately 😢kiyo is such a sweetie but he’s already huge and as nature calls him to he’s “going” to try and dominate. the difference is Shabani isn’t old, and is not going to allow that! Kiyo unfortunately needs to be moved. Annie and nene 😮 sad but she’s a daddy’s girl, and there’s always been bad blood between them 😢.Has anyone noticed how skinny Annie is😮 what is going on, is this from stress?
I haven't watched these guys for about a week and was so shocked with her appearance especially in such a short time. The video I saw her in she looked kind of out of it too. Poor girl she is so sweet. I sometimes wonder if I should keep watching these videos . My heart gets too invested and eventually events and age etc. will happen
Thank God, I am not the only one concerned about the health of these Gorillas. I am new to the channel, but even as a newbe, this is ridiculous!
@@cricket9629 You are a very smart newbie!
I agree! Shabani has been sitting back and watching Kyo for months. Shabani is so smart I was waiting for the 🔥 to come. I believe it is time to move Kyo soon. Shabani will hurt him. Also time for new females for Shabani and more babies. He should have so many offspring by now!
Энни очень худая стала,беспокоюсь не заболела ли она
早く仲良しの親子に戻れますように🥲細身のアニーがさらに細くなるのをみるのは辛い😢
Misa'che Shabani vorrebbe tanto far pace con Ai,e nello stesso tempo sembra che la insegue perché pensa che dove c'è lei c'è anche Kiyomasa, io vedo Ai molto preoccupata per sua mamma e per Kiyomasa e non presta attenzione a Annie che in questo momento ha tanto bisogno di lei. Comunque bella mossa di Annie nel cercare di fermare Nene in corsa. Grazie ai custodi che si prendono cura di Annie e di tutta questa splendida famiglia. Tornate presto a mangiare Amori belli!❤️🍀❤️☮️
AI nunca foi mãe, Shabani foi pãe, pai e mãe para Annie, ele criou a filha, são meus preferidos na família Shabani e Annie.
Eu vi isso, me deixou tão triste. Queria muito que annie rejeitasse tudo de Ai e nene só para se vingar!!
Annie has a score to settle with Nene, nice take down girl..Of course she will always be daddies little princess, he has been there for Annie from day one.
Kiyomasa is Nene's little prince. Annie is looking so skinny, the stress is getting to her.. It's a sad time for them all..Hope they can sort it out..😢
Hopefully nothing happens to Annie as she is Gentaro's only hope for a mate. The Dynamics are certainly changing.
@@TheFlashyWeasel I just finished watching Momo & Genki trying to get it on.🤣 Why does everyone want them to have another baby. Kintaro will go through the same thing Gentaro did.🤔
Anyway got sidetracked, Annie is not looking healthy, I think Kiyomasa got caught messing around with her & Shabani lost it, guess we will never know as they can't talk to us.🤣 These 3 zoo's & Chiba have no idea what the hell they are doing. I pop over here now and then but I love the dynamics of the D'jeeco troop & they have a beautiful enclosure so the boys can rough & tumble without getting hurt. 🙋
@@sonjavandam1306 I was wondering if dad caught them too. Kind of explains all the direction of anger and guilty looks
@@kimgraham9671 it's speculation, but it's not the first time they were " getting friendly " but it might be the first time they got caught.
If you could read body language for gorilla's it all makes sense.✌️
@@sonjavandam1306 hey there mate, yes I agree. Genkie has done her part in her life.. why put her through all that again even though she seems to be willing... It really is all she has... But I don't think she has the health to have another offspring. People just want the cute factor and something to follow without realizing what it does to the mother especially in Genki's case. You know Kintaro was going to go after her the same way Gentaro did as he gets older... So in my opinion, Kintaro should be her last, otherwise it's all about the money and the draw of a new baby.
As far as Annie is concerned I agree something is not good with her I'm sure she is going through the same stresses with the fighting with Shabani and Kiyo... Everything was going so well with those two they were still playful but now things are changing and hopefully the keepers we'll find ways to motivate them to eat at the stressful time. I know Annie has lost a lot of hair in her youth she used to pluck it off her stomach... But it's very easy to see it's not hair loss, she's definitely down in weight. Shabani's exhibit is far larger and the troop can be rotated to give Kiyo some alone time. I don't think he should be around Annie or rotated with her, because Kiyo has certainly had his way with her if you get my drift 😉 we can only hope the best for both troops, and that things will work out. If Kyoto does have some animal loan agreements between them and Taiwan, now would be the best time if possible. ✌️👍
Good job Annie😂
There is no family without conflicts. Especially in such a small society as this one. But all these quarrels end in peace and harmony, Shabani is a wise and intelligent guy.
I have seen other zoo's give them honey water, maybe they can get them to eat if they give the something different like fruit for a bit. Annie's stomach in actually concave. This fight must have been a lot worse than we have seen off camera.
Pobre familia vive en mucho estrés 😔 casi nunca están comiendo siempre andan a la expectativa y peleando con el padre! Necesitan llevar a annie con gentaro y ponerlos a ellos 2 solos para que vivan felices.💝🙏
This is so sad🙁 Annie needs to eat. She looks ill 😢
@10:00
What a sweet but sad face.
I noticed Annie's weight loss on the last 2 videos,
If the zookeepers could put out fruits and yogurt bottles for just one meal, it could get them back together by eating something special and maybe it'll get their minds away from the stress that caused the disturbance.
Kiyo was so human like hiding the other day, I find it so amazing how close they are to our behaviors.
Annie is a good girl just trying to stop the nonsense, and I'm sure that Kiyomasa did something disrespectful towards his father who is king and should be respected.
Shabani is a loving father and I'm sure it's hurting him as well.
I think Annie is sick. I hope she gets well.
Annie appears to be dealing with the family stress by not eating. It’s similar to when Kintaro wouldn’t eat and lost a lot of weight when Momotaro was sick. Maybe put her and Kiyomasa in an area together to see if they will eat because Annie will soon be too weak to move if she continues this much longer.
yes I thought in a video she looked confused and wobbling. I am stressed with this
@@kimgraham9671me too!
Todos están muy tristes, kiyo es muy divertido e interactúa con todos, es el alma del grupo, esto lo demuestra.
🤔🤨💌😁⁉ G-G.
Shabani is the soul of the group!
見ててとても辛いです😞
みんな食事もしないなんて😢
キヨマサ君も威嚇のショックが大きすぎたのかな。大人の階段ですね。
飼育員さんも心配でしょう。
早く元の生活に戻りますように…
Look at that hunk of Shabani his eyes are beautiful ❤
If Annie is drinking water then maybe they should give her protein smoothie instead of just water. They aren’t intervening in a way to help her. At this point, she should be in a private room receiving care instead of on exhibit while we watch her wither away.
Nene has always been overprotective of Kiyomasa, and was vicious toward Annie when she was a baby. It seems the original fight was between Shabani and Kiyomasa. I'm guessing Kiyomasa overstepped his boundaries and thought he could take on Shabani (think Winston and Frank). Kiyomasa is what about 10 yrs now? He's feeling his oats and Shabani's not having it. He's still in great shape.
Gotta admit though Nene may be old but she's still a force of nature. That was a helluva block by Annie. No one hurts her daddy.
This disruption seems to be longstanding. Poor Annie is too thin. A healthy gorilla, an herbivore, should have a big round belly and more muscle mass. I'd hate to think what happened to Genki doesn't happen to her. For Genki she was down to 65 pounds and had chewed off at least 2 fingertips before Ueno zoo sent her back to KyotoCity Zoo. I think they need to separate Kiyomasa to an adjacent area that still allows family members vocal and scent interaction so Kiyomasa still knows he has family support. Annie's situation is more urgent. She needs to go to hospital asap for resuscitation (hydration and caloties). Remember how fast Momotaro went down in 2021 from a reaction (diarrhea) to meds for wound care. She should have contact with Shabani for emotional support.
I'm sorry this is so long. I'm very upset that a solution to a preventable situation appears to be lagging and lacking. These animals go down fast, and the loss of poor Annie is not acceptable. More important to the zoo, if they do allow this to continue it will damage their standing with the gorilla conservation group and their ability to acquire more gorillas. Japan has only 19 gorillas left, 5 of which are elderly, and all the rest are genetically related, therefore no breeding females in very finite genetic lines.
I agree with you!
Not too long! We love these troops and most of us have a lot of empathy towards them. They don’t speak to us so we have to watch their body language. I remember poor Kinny so weak and not even breast feeding but looking up at mom for help. Such a hard time.
So glad you’re sounding the alarm at high decibel. I hope somebody hears. It certainly does bring back how fast Momo went down, nearly all the way, and Kinny and Gentaro were so utterly distraught. And the extreme damage to Genki arising from her earlier trauma. Gorillas are as sensitive beings as we are and always attuned to family dynamics. A number of the keepers were watching thru the windows at the outset, which seemed like a good sign. But no follow thru that we’re able to see. Fingers crossed.
I completely understand the distraught over this situation. It's heart-wrenching to watch. Please keep in mind the zookeeper have a fine line to walk on when to interfere and that there may be more going on than what we know.
This family is my favorite i can watch them all day ❤❤
The fact Kiyo is acting this way speaks volumes about how generally good Kiyo and Shabani's relationship is. He is so shocked by even a bit of intimidation from Shabani. Shabani likely only rarely flaunts his 'alpha spot'. So it comes as a shock to Kiyomasa.
I think him and Shababo were playing and Nene thought big ole Shababo was attacking Kiyo and decided to hiss and take a fake whack at him which made him mad. Nene is known to be super over protective of Kiyo.
@@deniied5414 Maybe, but I think Kiyo's sustained reaction says Nene wasn't the cause for Kiyo to want to stay away. They have chased Shabani about 1000 times at this point, and this is the first time Kiyo felt the need to distance himself from Shabani for weeks before being able to bring himself to make up with Shabani. That's just a red flag for me that whatever happened really messed with Kiyo for a bit. Maybe they were playing, but Shabani for some reason decided to use his full strength for once and it just messed with Kiyomasa. Maybe he picked him up and threw him or something. Gorillas will do that when proving they are alpha sometimes.
You know who determines if Nene over reacts? She has always had a very strong bond to her son, and that’s where her allegiance will always be but she’s also gone after Shabani when he an Annie had a fight an with Ai she’s courageous as she is right up in his face an with no teeth lol. Love Nene she an Shabani always had a heated relationship think that why they all rile her up, gorillas like to chase lol
Yes. This is one family that will be devastated when one of the members dies or leaves! They have a very strong bond! I’ve seen other troops fight but that doesn’t stop them from eating!
I think is time to move both of them 🤔 because the son he is turning to be and adult the Dad wants to fight territory is sad to watch them.i had followe this gorilla family seen there were just little it has been almost 6 years. And now is sad the sister feels bad for his brother I think is time to move sister and brother to a different place 😢 💔 😔 😕
These animals are so much more then Human Entertainment.
Hah!! Good one Annie!!!
Dommage pas de traction en français 😪 je vois et je comprends que toute la famille est mal suite à la dispute entre le père et le fils .😪 C est fou les répercutions après sur le groupe . J espère que la relation entre shabani et son fils kiyomasa va s amélioré 😪
You know.....maybe Annie goes to Ai, because she is asking if it were the right thing to do. To stop Nene.
It's a shame that close family like Shabani, Annie n Kiyo, must leave each other.😢 it is natrual for them to do.....but when they are ready. This is why I am passionate. I've been passionate for 30+ years. I would have been an advocate for all primates....but my life suddenly went into a different direction.
Anyway, the gorillas, chimps Oranitange, all, need more stimulation because they will never be in their natural habitat. Bigger enclosures, balls, boxes, deer, pools, swings. All these things if we don't teach them simple sign language. 😮 Enrichment.
It was very hard on Winston when they had to take Frank and separate him. They were all very upset, I haven't watched them in a long. The difference in that situation is Winston is elderly, no one will take Shabani down. He is young and prime. In the wild Kiyo would have been booted out by now
Someone please help Annie soon she look not well at all very sad poor Annie
Annie เป็นอะไร ดูผอมมาก ขอให้ดีขึ้นทุกวันน่ะ ❤❤ รัหน่ะ
I feel so bad for Annie in the middle of all this it's really taking a toll on her I think something needs to be done sooner rather than later or tragedy is going to be the outcome 😭😭😭
I feel bad for all of them. I can't say much about Annie's weight, but when Tayari was Annie's age, she had that exact same body. It's possible that it's because she's young that she looks too thin, but I'll leave that up to the zookeepers to decide. It's possible that Kiyomasa is getting to the point where he either needs to be completely submissive to his dad or to live in a bachelor group.
Or maybe Kiyomasa need's to stop " playing" with his sister. It's the only thing I can think of that would make Shabani act like this. Body language says they look guilty. Just speculating.
What happen?? Did Shabani attack his son??
These poor Gorillas, they look so depressed and bored, they need a Better in closure and more Tress😢😢
I HATE SEEING THESE ANIMALS CAGED BUT THEY COULD NOT LIVE IN THE WILD ANY MORE
京都の方はげんたろう君が元気いっぱいでママに当たったりして叱られたりもあったりとなかなか思春期の息子さん達は難しいですね。きよまさ君はげんたろう君より年下だし、もっと元気が無くなったんですね。お父さんは群れのリーダーなんだからきっと父としての立場なんかもあったりとか。でもきよまさ君はつらいですね。元気なくなってその上食欲まで無くなってね。きっと大人の階段を登って行くための試練なんでしょうね。昔の歌でそんなのがありましたね。家族がいるから元気だしてほしいですね。
1頭で飼育されてるゴリラさんもいてたりするのでね。早く元気になって皆んなで一杯ごはんを食べて下さいね。でもとってもきよまさ君の事が心配です。
It is not unusual for a teen male to test his father. But, it is very unusual for a gorilla to stop eating and lose weight unless they are ill. I hope the zoo is running all the tests they need to. Gorilla can get a very serious digestive illness. Some in one of the German zoos had it. Annie looks very sick.
It’s time to put Annie & Gentaro together. Or put her with Momotaro for a second wife.
Yup, she’s a daddy’s girl ❤
Love this family so much thanks for all you do
Idk why people are saying Annie lost weight. She’s always been very skinny
Those mommas are fierce❤😂😂
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Annie looks so thin😭😭😭😭😭😭❤❤❤❤❤❤
Annie looks so despondant...please help her. Thats Gentaros' future mate. She looks so malnourished. Poor baby.
I think it's about time they put Gentaro with Annie and Kiyomasa with momoka (yes I know they're cousins but it's not as bad in gorillas communities. Look at royal family in humans, they do it and kiyomasa & momoka don't even know each other)
Sim💗Anne seria ótima para Genaro gentaro 🤗casal lindo, tão amorosos💍💍
Yes. Someone needs to save Momoka from her situation. She’s the sweetest thing.
Those videos would have millions of views! Lots of strong gorilla personalities in that group!😃
Annie needs to eat more
I'm new to this channel and I have to say that I have never seen a gorilla as skinny as Annie. The zoo needs to run tests on her and find out what is wrong with her. I see food all over their enclosure, so neglect is not a factor here. Please look into this issue. All these gorillas look so stressed out and tense all the time, at least in the 6 videos I've watched.
They should check out Annie's weight, she looks too thin. It would be horrible if she had cancer or something.
Beautiful video. Thank you!
I seriously think some parents could learn from Shabani! Not the physical but setting them straight part.
We all know Annie needs no special reason to go after Nene. She does that off GP.
Hope annie and everyone eats something. Not good seeing those wrinkles on annie’s stomach
Does anyone know….is it poop on the gorilla enclosure’s floor or is it vegetables?
vegetables. ☺️
Their respect for the personal space of others is impressive. Of course, they really need a spacious enclosure, they are mobile animals, although they like to rest. They seem very dangerous and wild from a distance. If you look closely, you are impressed by their love for their relatives. They are very big, scary and direct and sincere. Nene is very difficult, she is already old. I often see how hard she breathes. But she is the wisest of them, and it seems as if Shabani obeys her?
Nene isn't wisest. Just over reacting grandma.
Oh my Lord could Shabani be any cuter than when he was resting his chin in the fire hose? Course it's a different Shabani when he is correcting a family member! It's all business then! ❤❤❤
Kiyo is the typical teenager when they've had a fight with dad, sulky.
My fears are coming to a horrible reality, these zoos have to relocate these boys now. It would have been better sooner than later. Everyone not wanting to break up the families this was going to happen with females there, I don't think there is no coming back at this situation. I thought it was going to be Momo and Gentaro first. I have seen many videos when in the wild silverbacks start to challenge it does not end well. They fight to the death and or die from the injuries. This is very upsetting
Do you really expect them to do the right thing. Komomo is 13, Gentaro 10, Kiyomasa. Wtf. They haven't planned for their future. It's like Japan is winging it.
@@sonjavandam1306 I guess they are, there is a video on from earlier today from channel Japan Zoo is that the zoo takers?
Saying everyone's is resting and started eating and hopefully Kiyo has learned who the boss is.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Do they not know how horrible that was on them and so lucky it didn't escalate today, what about tomorrow?
So foolish, any plans about when the girls time of the month is on? Lol , Can they at least get a Plan ready for WHEN it happens again. I loved how Winstons zoo handled it ,plan ready and executed smoothly. No harm done just Winstons ego and pride a little bruised. Sorry about my rant Sonja,I am just totally bewildered!
@@kimgraham9671 They really don't give a shit Kim. They can't do much as their reputation is so bad no one outside of Japan will touch them. I only saw a bit about Winston just before they seperated them but i've seen the toll it's taken on the other one ( Marilyn) he is almost bald. That Frank is one handsome & impressive silverback. 🦍
Kim, that is actually my name.😊 Do you know what is happening with these gorillas? I was in utter shock when I saw them from a few months ago. I faithfully watch the Momotaro family and I know they are planning on putting Gentaro, with Annie. He is such a wonderful and beautiful gorilla! I hope and pray that they don't send him to Annie's zoo. However, I fear that is inevitable!😪
@@cricket9629 Hi Cricket so sorry so long to answer you. Kiyo is coming of age and if in the wild he would be leaving to find his own family or hang with other males. There is only one |Silverback in charge, Kiyo may feel the urge to challenge his father and take charge. It is a very violent battle and only ends when one dies or runs away and they can die from injuries. It is natural part of life for them. Kiyo maybe got caught messing with Annie which is why he should leave anyways as they are related. He could have been disrespecting Shabani and Shabani is putting him in his place. Only the silverback in charge can mate in the troop. It is just a dangerous situation that shouldn't be stalled as it will happen, I would rather the arrangements be made for a new home. There is males coming of age that should be in new places and females also before inbreeding happens.
I hope that helps some, if anyone has some input or corrections on any of my info would be appreciated for Cricket.
Como Annie está magra?? Ela está tendo cuidados adequados? Muito triste pobrezinha!
What happened to Annie's belly? At 4:33 it looks like she has stiches. Did she have surgery?
This video is from February 2023.
At this time, Shabani and Kiyomasa had a fight, and Annie lost her appetite because she was worried about them.
Her stomach became flat. No surgery was performed.
I don’t understand people that try to defend nene just because she’s old blah blah. Nene has always been a trouble maker undermining Shabani at every step. First with Annie kicking her since she was an infant and if wasn’t for Shabani defending Annie she could maybe died because her mother maybe seeing her punching Annie and being very submissive to Nene never defended her daughter. Now that Shabani needs to correct his son, Nenê made everything worst and Ai not very smart followers her mother actions , instead to support her daughter in this time of need. If wasn’t for the raucous they did , things would be normal by now since they have to obey the silverback and trust him to handle the situation. And the situation was so different from Frank situation at San Diego zoo where the majority of the troop supported their silverback! Shabani was all too nice.
Some common sense prevails. I concur with you sir. Nene is a Meanie, but when someone speaks bad about her everyone jumps on you. The little old lady act isn't cute.✌️
Shabani looks so sad!
@@stevemorris6790 even now things are still tense, Shabs is not a happy camper, the old biddy shoots daggers at his.
He deserves so much more than he is getting.
Anny needs a vet
Not only is Annie super skinny here, she also seems to be missing little patches of hair. Fighting, stress pulling, or nutrient deficient? 😟
Has Annie's weight and diet been checked at all lately?
Por favor Sabanis esta demasiado alterado el n o es así la ha comido con Kiyosama pobre Nene sale a defender su hijo
Annie looks like she has lost weight
Annie is getting thinner. Anything ailing her???
Somebody who thinks silverbscks are just a crazy beasts 2:26 😄
Why did Ai refuse to take Annie?
I think mama is right because the silverback was picking on her son. He was being a bully all morning.
Well kiyo ,needs to quit upsetting everyone,I've haven't seen Annie in awhile,she's really thin!
They are in a prison. Let them live in their natural place. And give the money on poor humans.
Annie looks sooo skinny. It worries me. Hopefully she starts eating soon.
I’m alarmed at Annie’s condition. She looks ill. Something is needed to cheer this family up.
I think this group is depressed because they don't have puppies.
Everyone looks stressed out but Annie has lost A LOT of weight, she looks unhealthy
Anny esta muy delgada. Tendria que revisarla un veterinario
It's absolutely sad and criminal to lock these animals up in a steel prison and mentally suffering 😢
They should be in the wild not lock up hate seen them and other animals lock up
Poor Annie is missing her partner in crime. It’s so incredibly sad to see how upset this family is. Kiyomasa is so afraid of his father 😢. I don’t think Nene overreacted at all. That’s her baby boy. No one is going to hurt him while she’s around. Also, Annie is a daddy’s girl. She’s always going to take his side even if she thinks he’s wrong. I’m the same with my father. I really thought things would be better by now.
Nene always undermined Shabani started with kicking Annie, so can imagine if Shabani didn’t defend Annie from her rage? . She definitely overreacted and her actions made discipline Kiyo worst than needs!
@@stevemorris6790 it seems like it’s kinda common for the moms to interfere when their kids get disciplined. Genki usually yells at Momotaro and Tayari has chased D’Jeeco down for holding Jabali down. I understand why they do it but it does undermine the silverback’s decision.
@@justbreathe_ , definitely. Hope you didn’t get kicked out from that guy group . That lady was always a sanctimonious person with her attitude.
@@stevemorris6790 🤣🤣 I didn’t even say anything bad about any of them. I dont think anyone was kicked out. Thank you though lol