These are great fights where is this kind of boxing today, Robinson a little past his prime but still deadly against Graziano who was a hell of a fighter classic stuff.
Shut the hell up about Mayweather for a minute and respect Sugar Ray, as a fighter and a person. And for the things he did in the ring that were way beyond what we could imagine..
Robinson's defeated competition separates him from everyone else. He defeated 11 different champions an astounding 23 times. In addition he won vs 48 opponents who defeated a champion at least once. That's 71 wins vs champions or championship caliber opponents. More wins than Ali, Marciano, Dempsey, Ray Leonard, Hagler or Louis each had for their ENTIRE careers.
Sugar Ray Robinson never lost a welterweight bout, and he had about 100 of them. Robinosn was world welterweight champ, as well. Beat contenders like Kid Gavilan and Charlie Fusari.
Ray was a complete fighter. He got hit because he was such an offensive fighter. But he won many fights using his jab, height, intelligence and reach. He was a very smart fighter. You have clearly not watched enough of his fights. He outboxed boxers and out punched punchers. He could beat you at your own game. That is how good he was. He was in his prime at Welterweight and unfortunately there is limited footage of his welterweight fights.
Great performance by the greatest p4p boxer of all time against one of the toughest and best fighters of his day. Graziano gave a spirited effort as always and he did land a couple of good shots got Robinson's respect (although he never seemed really hurt in the fight). But in the end he was simply outclassed by the best man who ever laced up a pair of gloves. No shame in that! Great finish by Robinson; that knockout was simply amazing with its power speed and precision.
What a complete package Sugar Ray was---lightning fast jab, one of the best left hooks ever, great counter puncher, great footwork, ring smarts. Had to be the best fighter ever (pound for pound). RIP. And thanks for posting this classic
Ali is overrated. Ali had unnecessary footwork, he over did it and burnt extra energy on it. Ali also had atrocious defense, simply atrocious [thus he has Parkinson now]. Sugar Ray was considered a ring master in his day and by ring master i mean the most technical fighter in his division. Like Mayweather today at 147lbs, Guillermo Rigo at featherweight, or like Leonard at 147lbs in the 80's. What set Robinson apart from the other ''ring masters'' is that when a swarmer or brawler tried to roughen him up he had power to finish them as shown here. Robinson didn't always need to punch twice, move & clinch, He could bang. Ali could not bang. Robinson would have NEVER had 200 pro fights without a ko loss if he had Ali's ATROCIOUS defense.
Ali's defense was his speed on the outside. Unfortunately we were robbed of his prime, those 3 1/2 years would have been his best. When he came back he was much slower. I've said my entire life that Ray Robinson was the best ever. I saw him live KO Fulmer with one left hook when he was well past his prime.
Mr. Hefner I agree 100 percent the sport is sadly not what it used to be, Ray fought some very good fighters and in the case of Jake a warrior, I was making the point that Aaron Pryor and Alexis Arguello in their two lengendary fights took the sport to great excitement and they both get credit to me, because they had the balls to fight twice, and I love them both for it ,fight fans still talk about those fights, sad that Floyd and Pac did not get it on,so sad.
I can easily agree that Sugar Ray Robinson was pound for pound the best. Ray gives you many styles, very versatile, huge punch power, great natural flow for counter-game as well, great speed, smart. That's what a legend is about, meaning no matter what happens with today's boxers the most they can do is share the ultimate stage with Ray. To me that's respect, to say so and so is one of the greats like Sugar Ray.
Robinson: Rabbit punch me will'ya, Graziano punished and disposed of. Those rabbit punches were really a sign of disrespect, glad to see Robinson school Rocky. Robinson was ahead of his time, influenced all modern fighters.. great to see these old B&W videos. thanks for posting.
Graziano was a former champion but was left seeing stars! Robinson so deserves being called the greatest fighter of all time by so many, fabulous boxer and puncher.
Cont2: Can you imagine if he was fighting in todays rules of boxing which is 10 rounds. He would be licking his lips, and rubbings his hands. 15 ROUNDS were the order of the day when he fought.
Ray wasn't scared of losing. He was the king of rematches. You beat him once and he adjusted. In those old days there was no video to study fighters before a fight, and so you could only learn about your opponent during the fight.
thanks to everyone who can put these excellent fighters on utube up for all to see some of these men were great fighters some were great hitters but all could stand in a ring with any of todays best fighters today
This was one hell of a fight. They both got hit hard. Robinson once said that if the right hand Rocky landed to score the knockdown had hit him on the jaw, he might not have gotten up.
Actually it's not like basketball or football at all. The fighters in those days were better than today, for a lot of reasons, but mainly because they fought more. There were just so many boxers. They got to see fight against so many different styles they would know exactly what to do against today's fighters. Robinson had winning streaks of 40 and then 91 in his career. Can you imagine if the NBA decided to go from an 82 game season to a 16 game season?
Damn!!!! Somebody in the 12th row had a helluva souvenir when Ray knocked that mouthpiece out of Rocky's mouth at the end of the fight. Geez what a right hand!!!
@chinton90: You're right. I saw Ali say on a documentary once. I think it was called, 'Sugar Ray Robinson: The Greatest Fighter Pound for Pound,' published by Jim Jacobs and Bill Cayton.
The best of all time. I can see Pac having a huge problem if faced Robinson. His amateur record was 85-0 his first lost came at 40-0. his second lost was 128! WOW! What amazing record. out of 213 fights, he only lost once!!!!! What a fucken awesome guy.
thats my point exactly... now that roy is getting knocked out, hardely no one even wants to buy his fights anymore. floyd has never been knocked down let alone been knocked out. thats why i appreciate him as a fighter. by the way mayweather never fought cotto
If Robinson was fighting today he would be even more unbeatable. Remember when he was fighting he rarely watch films of his opponents like they do today to watch for any weakness etc, etc. If he were alive to today & in his prime he would have that luxery. I believe he only ever watched an opponent on film twice in all his career. One of them was against Randy Turpin, I will have to find out the other person for you. Thats how good he was.
man that was the hardest straight right hand i seen robinson throw and it was from close range he almost made graziano swallow his own chin hella of a punch
Robinson probably had the greatest career of any fighter, but I wouldn't guarantee he'd have beaten any other middleweight champions. There's a million different ways to box and Robinson just had one of them. His style was beautiful, but he was not the straightest puncher in history. He telegraphed a lot of his punches and got by on his tremendous hand speed. Another factor is that sometimes whole generations of fighters are better than others... it's impossible to say who would have beaten who
@MarchalRaines9 : Tyson abandoned the team that brought him to the top and stopped training hard and practicing hard. He actually lived out Cus D'Amato's axiom about one's greatest strength becoming one's greatest weakness. Tyson never could address his own self-destructive tendencies.
I saw Sugar Ray standing on the corner of Westbourne Grove in London, late 50s or early 60s, I'm not quite sure...He was wearing a pink suit and looked SO tough...fabulous fighter.
Sugar Ray Robinson is still p4p the best fighter that ever lived. Floyd and Pacquiao aren´t even close to displace him from that spot. Incredible human being.
Great knockout by the TRUE greatest of all times. According to Jake Lamotta's book. He and Graziano was in the same boys home together where Lamotta beat down 3 of the guards at the same time. The priest of the establishment a seasoned fighter himself took Jake under his wing and taught him how to box and the rest is history. Ironic how Rocky took this fight considering Jake offered him a shot at his title when he was champ but Graziano declined saying he dont wanna be champ.
Yeh he is.. I assume so anyway. Graziano is a hall of famer so theres no reason he wouldnt crack top 50.. If you are related to him, thats cool you should be very proud he was a tough tough man.
hit and dont be hit is the name of the game. look at all these boxing greats after they are done. barely can spend the money that they made from the fights. boxers such as Pernell Whitaker, BHOP, Floyd Mayweather, and other great defensively great fighters have had longeivity in their careers. Never been seriously hurt and/pr knocked out. Everyone loved Jones Jr when we was knocking everyone out, no ones cares about him now that his career has come to an end. fans appreciate the defensive genius
robinson is the greatest because if is he in the world of today, with all the modern medicine and boxing techniques, he would excell in all areas even more
I'm the number one Pacquiao fan. I believe he can beat many fighters from different eras. Alot of fighters. He can even beat Mayweather or Martinez. Sugar Ray Robinson is not one of them. SRR would've schooled the best Pacquiao, Mayweather, Leonard, or any other greats. This was boxing at its very finest. This very man was the reason p4p is a word.
Man If look at Robinson before the first bell he looks like ali or ali looks like him, Robinson was like a ole blues player, had tools way ahead of his time, but was limited do to times. He moved steadily to the left, but didnt dance, flicked the jab but it didnt quite flow smoothly. It was almost like Sugar Ray was only the begginning of something special.
what a right hand, first time i watched this, perfect set up, anyone know what weight gloves they used back then, they look pretty small, almost like bag gloves.
(cont). Fighters back then were NOT DUMBER or less skilled than today,it wasnt because they werent using their heads as you seem to think. It was because they simply wanted to fight to prove to the world and themselves who was the best fighter. Nobody can say they are the best fighter unless they have been in a real war. In other words, i'll take your best shot,and give you mine. Hence---a SHOT at the title. Hell, JAKE LAMOTTA had mad boxing ability,but he chose to brawl using the science of in
Rocky Graziano was washed up when he fought Sugar Ray Robinson. He didn't have that great right hand of his in a long time. He wasn't even the same in his last fight with Tony Zale. He attempted a great comeback though.
Let's put Robinson's greatest in perspective, he fought at a time when organized crime called lots of shots in regards to who fought whom(and who would lose in many instances). He also fought when purses were meager and fighting 15-20 times a year(yes, a YEAR) meant affording the lifestyle one desired. Lastly, how could a fighter of today(who fights maybe twice if not once a year) be able to compete with such a fighting machine such as Robinson? He's rip through the softies of today.....
Keep in mind that JMM and Floyd are two different counter-punchers. JMM counterpunches with "combinations" and agression while Floyd counters with pot shots. He does not punch WITH his opponents like JMM. Floyd only averages around 40-47 punches a round and that possibly won't be enough to stop a guy like Pac who throws twice that number. Again, I admit that it doesn't necessarily mean Floyd won’t beat Pac but it’s not a foregone conclusion from this fight. It’s a different set.
Rocky wasnt a defensive fighter. Everybody knows that. This is why SRR disposed of him in 3. All the great middleweights would have beaten Rocky. He was still a dangerous foe though and would be for any fighter. That being said, why dont you show a little more respect to a fellow fighter,an ex-champion who gave his all, and stop calling him names like " a joke". Shame on you,kid. This was a good man, and a good and tough fighter. This man was and always will be a CHAMPION. R.I.P.
An old guy I play tennis with hes 90 told me yesterday that Archie levin fought sugar ray and scored a knockdown on Sugar.. says theres alot of good fighters back then
Regardless of who was faster, Sugar had better footwork, more experience, and was a better puncher. SRR and Roy, there is no comparison. Now, Roy and the middleweights of the 80s. That would be interesting.
I think Robinson is the greatest welterweight of all time. But I would make Leonard, Hearns, and Duran(The Montreal version) even money with him. I think they would have a shot. But Robinson definitely without any shadow of doubt beats the rest.
read grazianos book when i was younger,"somebody up there likes me," had to order it special from library as it was so rare,its a great story and he had some life ,well recomended
(cont.). It isnt that these men had flaws,they had BALLS. They RESPECTED the fans and KNEW that people come to watch A FIGHT---not a boxing exhibition. Delahota,Mayweather,and Jones all had a hand in KILLING boxing in the 90's. That's where it really ended. Greed,no honor,and many other things. Boxing sucks now because the fighters suck. Now people go to a boxing match and pray that a fight breaks out. In the old-school people went to a boxing match and prayed that their heroes wouldnt die.
i like how the commentators aren't trying to analyze how the fight is going to end because they know everything there is to know about boxing or talk about irrelevant fighters and shit. just straight how the fight is and what the fighters are doing
@ramirezlegend And the pure thougness of fighters back then was another level.Rocky Grazianos father used to make him fight his tree year older brother from the age he was tree. He fought untill he feel asleep from tiredness or from being punched. Jake la motta had same experiances. I think the old timers would eat up todays fighters becose boxing is not only about skill. Its about mental thoughness with todays fighters rarely have.
Well yeah. Agree to disagree. I would just reverse what you said. I think today's boxers couldn't hang with most of the old timers, with a few exceptions.
Again,Floyd is a great boxer, who can counter punch. JMM is a supreme counter puncher who likes to fight. Floyd does not counterpunch like Marquez does.JMM has a different punch selection and he never blocks, parry or shoulder roll.JMM simply takes a quick step back and fires like a SOB in different punch sequences. Jab, uppercut, hook. Hook. Uppercut,uppercut.I'm not saying that Floyd isn't capable of doing what Marquez did.All I'm saying is Marquez and Floyd are naturally different fighters.
(cont.) Tyson did have the skill and when he used it against his opponents it was beautiful watching that old-school stuff, but since he abandoned it so early on and we only saw him REALLY use it on average opponents i'd could list you literally hundreds of fighters who were better at in-fighting than Tyson. People get caught up in what Tyson could've been and should've been instead of what he ultimately WAS. Again i dont care how much "Skill" you have if you dont use it.
He had a good chin but the problem was that he relied entirely on being able to take the punches. Graziano could slip a few with his crouching defense but for the most part he took it on the chin. Taking all that punishment caught up with him which is why he didn't last very long at the top.
Some were faster than Robinson Some hit harder But none one threw faster harder punches than Sugar Ray Easy to see and the one thing that really sets him apart
Oh and Robinson is definitely the best of all time, not necessarily in terms of skill but by what he accomplished. Even then, skill-wise Robinson is top three; Mayweather though would have given him a run for his money. Robinson never faced anyone with the defensive skill that Mayweather possesses, I dare say Mayweather has the best defense of all time. It would have been a dream fight up there with Tyson, Ali .
@mufc881 Tommy Bell, Fritzie Zivic, Marty Servo, Sammy Angott, Jake Lamotta & Artie Levine although they were middleweights. Sugar Ray Robinson beat many Hall of Famers, and World Champions both at Welter and Middle Weight. There are many others where that came from.
@JcLeopard Yes, absolutely. For anyone that needs to hear it from Jake's mouth....RUclips search: Mike Tyson joins David Brenner on his late night talk show, Nightlife Pt. 2 Chuvalo also mentioned it with himself and how that aspect of his boxing ability seems to go unnoticed. Many old timers complain about the lost art of boxing. Rolling with the punches, slipping....even using feints....some say are not use to the level today as they used to be. The little things that have been lost.
Sugar Ray robinson would whoop Mayweather for Breakfast, Marquez for lunch,and Pacquiao for dinner and still be wanting a snack before he went to bed. One of the best fighters ever!!!!!!!!!!
You can watch Zale knocking him down with relative ease even though Graziano had given him hell in their two previous bouts. Then again he was caught with punches (in both the Zale and the Robinson fight) that few could have gotten up from. These were the only times he was ever stopped
True, except the exact opposite of what you said. All sports, especially boxing, have a developmental and scientific aspect. Athletes are far healthier, faster, stronger and more skilled than they were even 10 years ago. Jordan could tell a big difference in the game just in the short time he retired and returned. I bet the Sugar in this clip might not even make the pro circuit today. Of course he would be amazing to watch had he been born and trained in this era.
Cont:3 If you think Robinson was quick here - when fighting Rocky Graziano, at the age of 31 years old. Just think how fast he was at the age of 26 years old . He must have been something else and more deadly as he didn't have that death in the ring on his mind....
was just thinking these guys look small for middleweights, then realised that's because they're actually fighting at the contracted weight and haven't put on 20 pounds since the weigh-in like fighters do today.
These are great fights where is this kind of boxing today, Robinson a little past his prime but still deadly against Graziano who was a hell of a fighter classic stuff.
Sugar ray Robinson is the greatest fighter and is pound for pound#1
Jake Lamotta was better
Shut the hell up about Mayweather for a minute and respect Sugar Ray, as a fighter and a person. And for the things he did in the ring that were way beyond what we could imagine..
The blend of speed and power is just insane o.O the ring IQ also.. This man is as sweet as sugar! But Graziano has some heart.
Absolutely! used to watch these with my dad but didn't appreciate the power and finesse of Sugar Ray!
Robinson is my idol, he's just a perfect boxer. I honestly don't think there will ever be another like him.
Robinson's defeated competition separates him from everyone else. He defeated 11 different champions an astounding 23 times. In addition he won vs 48 opponents who defeated a champion at least once. That's 71 wins vs champions or championship caliber opponents. More wins than Ali, Marciano, Dempsey, Ray Leonard, Hagler or Louis each had for their ENTIRE careers.
WOW!
Sugar Ray Robinson never lost a welterweight bout, and he had about 100 of them. Robinosn was world welterweight champ, as well. Beat contenders like Kid Gavilan and Charlie Fusari.
Sugar Ray Robinson - THE BEST! No one can match his style, his pace, his power and his grace. A humble man with a god given gift to Box.
Man he dealt with Rocky's pressure like it was easy business. That parry and slip to the right before the ko was a beautiful move!!!
Ray was a complete fighter. He got hit because he was such an offensive fighter. But he won many fights using his jab, height, intelligence and reach. He was a very smart fighter. You have clearly not watched enough of his fights. He outboxed boxers and out punched punchers. He could beat you at your own game. That is how good he was. He was in his prime at Welterweight and unfortunately there is limited footage of his welterweight fights.
Great performance by the greatest p4p boxer of all time against one of the toughest and best fighters of his day. Graziano gave a spirited effort as always and he did land a couple of good shots got Robinson's respect (although he never seemed really hurt in the fight). But in the end he was simply outclassed by the best man who ever laced up a pair of gloves. No shame in that! Great finish by Robinson; that knockout was simply amazing with its power speed and precision.
robinson's footwork is so smooth its insane he just floats
What a complete package Sugar Ray was---lightning fast jab, one of the best left hooks ever, great counter puncher, great footwork, ring smarts. Had to be the best fighter ever (pound for pound). RIP. And thanks for posting this classic
Ray really unleashed everything when he had rocky on the ropes
Imagine Ali with ko power in both hands. Ali aspired to be a heavyweight Sugar Ray.
Ali is overrated.
Ali had unnecessary footwork, he over did it and burnt extra energy on it.
Ali also had atrocious defense, simply atrocious [thus he has Parkinson now].
Sugar Ray was considered a ring master in his day and by ring master i mean the most technical fighter in his division. Like Mayweather today at 147lbs, Guillermo Rigo at featherweight, or like Leonard at 147lbs in the 80's.
What set Robinson apart from the other ''ring masters'' is that when a swarmer or brawler tried to roughen him up he had power to finish them as shown here. Robinson didn't always need to punch twice, move & clinch, He could bang.
Ali could not bang.
Robinson would have NEVER had 200 pro fights without a ko loss if he had Ali's ATROCIOUS defense.
Ali's defense was his speed on the outside. Unfortunately we were robbed of his prime, those 3 1/2 years would have been his best. When he came back he was much slower. I've said my entire life that Ray Robinson was the best ever. I saw him live KO Fulmer with one left hook when he was well past his prime.
poetry in motion
Mr. Hefner I agree 100 percent the sport is sadly not what it used to be, Ray fought some very good fighters and in the case of Jake a warrior, I was making the point that Aaron Pryor and Alexis Arguello in their two lengendary fights took the sport to great excitement and they both get credit to me, because they had the balls to fight twice, and I love them both for it ,fight fans still talk about those fights, sad that Floyd and Pac did not get it on,so sad.
I can easily agree that Sugar Ray Robinson was pound for pound the best. Ray gives you many styles, very versatile, huge punch power, great natural flow for counter-game as well, great speed, smart.
That's what a legend is about, meaning no matter what happens with today's boxers the most they can do is share the ultimate stage with Ray. To me that's respect, to say so and so is one of the greats like Sugar Ray.
Robinson: Rabbit punch me will'ya, Graziano punished and disposed of. Those rabbit punches were really a sign of disrespect, glad to see Robinson school Rocky. Robinson was ahead of his time, influenced all modern fighters.. great to see these old B&W videos. thanks for posting.
you sir are a true boxing spokesman i couldnt have put it better myself!
Graziano was a former champion but was left seeing stars! Robinson so deserves being called the greatest fighter of all time by so many, fabulous boxer and puncher.
When Ray got warmed up in his fights that man made the sun sweat. And we can only wonder why God blesses certain ppl with such gifts.
Cont2:
Can you imagine if he was fighting in todays rules of boxing which is 10 rounds. He would be licking his lips, and rubbings his hands. 15 ROUNDS were the order of the day when he fought.
Look at that mouthpiece go flying! Sure is nice to finally see these fights after having only read about them in Ray's book way back in Jr. High
Ray was the best pound for pound...Great boxer, devastating puncher !!!
Sweet as sugar-he looked like the greatest pound for pound here-vicious puncher and a beautiful mover-and Graziano looked as tough as they come
did anyone notice that most these old fighter never block? thats some sick reflexes and concentration man
Ray wasn't scared of losing. He was the king of rematches. You beat him once and he adjusted. In those old days there was no video to study fighters before a fight, and so you could only learn about your opponent during the fight.
thanks to everyone who can put these excellent fighters on utube up for all to see some of these men were great fighters some were great hitters but all could stand in a ring with any of todays best fighters today
This dude and the pac-man would of been THE DREAM FIGHT!
few slick boxers through punches with the bad intentions and pinpoint accuracy as Ray Robinson. awesome fighter
This was one hell of a fight. They both got hit hard. Robinson once said that if the right hand Rocky landed to score the knockdown had hit him on the jaw, he might not have gotten up.
Actually it's not like basketball or football at all. The fighters in those days were better than today, for a lot of reasons, but mainly because they fought more. There were just so many boxers. They got to see fight against so many different styles they would know exactly what to do against today's fighters. Robinson had winning streaks of 40 and then 91 in his career.
Can you imagine if the NBA decided to go from an 82 game season to a 16 game season?
Damn!!!! Somebody in the 12th row had a helluva souvenir when Ray knocked that mouthpiece out of Rocky's mouth at the end of the fight. Geez what a right hand!!!
@chinton90:
You're right. I saw Ali say on a documentary once. I think it was called, 'Sugar Ray Robinson: The Greatest Fighter Pound for Pound,' published by Jim Jacobs and Bill Cayton.
love it when he goes into hook/uppercut mode. left,left,left, right,left, right left, left,left,left
Mayweather is not in this man's class he had it all
Sugar Ray Robinson-best boxer ever, lb 4 lb. He could do it all---dance, box, punch with speed, power.
The best of all time. I can see Pac having a huge problem if faced Robinson. His amateur record was 85-0 his first lost came at 40-0. his second lost was 128! WOW! What amazing record. out of 213 fights, he only lost once!!!!! What a fucken awesome guy.
Mr. Robinson is the benchmark for almost any fighter.
thats my point exactly... now that roy is getting knocked out, hardely no one even wants to buy his fights anymore. floyd has never been knocked down let alone been knocked out. thats why i appreciate him as a fighter.
by the way mayweather never fought cotto
If Robinson was fighting today he would be even more unbeatable. Remember when he was fighting he rarely watch films of his opponents like they do today to watch for any weakness etc, etc. If he were alive to today & in his prime he would have that luxery.
I believe he only ever watched an opponent on film twice in all his career. One of them was against Randy Turpin, I will have to find out the other person for you. Thats how good he was.
man that was the hardest straight right hand i seen robinson throw and it was from close range he almost made graziano swallow his own chin hella of a punch
Robinson probably had the greatest career of any fighter, but I wouldn't guarantee he'd have beaten any other middleweight champions. There's a million different ways to box and Robinson just had one of them. His style was beautiful, but he was not the straightest puncher in history. He telegraphed a lot of his punches and got by on his tremendous hand speed. Another factor is that sometimes whole generations of fighters are better than others... it's impossible to say who would have beaten who
@MarchalRaines9 :
Tyson abandoned the team that brought him to the top and stopped training hard and practicing hard. He actually lived out Cus D'Amato's axiom about one's greatest strength becoming one's greatest weakness. Tyson never could address his own self-destructive tendencies.
Sugar Ray Robinson is a Amazing Boxer ..
I saw Sugar Ray standing on the corner of Westbourne Grove in London, late 50s or early 60s, I'm not quite sure...He was wearing a pink suit and looked SO tough...fabulous fighter.
Sugar Ray Robinson is still p4p the best fighter that ever lived. Floyd and Pacquiao aren´t even close to displace him from that spot. Incredible human being.
Sugar Ray Robinson was incredible. Truly the greatest boxer ever in my eyes.
Its why they call it the sweet science.
anyone has to lose if you have more than a 100 fights robinson record is very impresive
WOW what a knock out. Always nice to see the greats going at it. Thanks for posting this vid TheGreatA.
Great knockout by the TRUE greatest of all times. According to Jake Lamotta's book. He and Graziano was in the same boys home together where Lamotta beat down 3 of the guards at the same time. The priest of the establishment a seasoned fighter himself took Jake under his wing and taught him how to box and the rest is history. Ironic how Rocky took this fight considering Jake offered him a shot at his title when he was champ but Graziano declined saying he dont wanna be champ.
Yeh he is.. I assume so anyway. Graziano is a hall of famer so theres no reason he wouldnt crack top 50.. If you are related to him, thats cool you should be very proud he was a tough tough man.
hit and dont be hit is the name of the game. look at all these boxing greats after they are done. barely can spend the money that they made from the fights. boxers such as Pernell Whitaker, BHOP, Floyd Mayweather, and other great defensively great fighters have had longeivity in their careers. Never been seriously hurt and/pr knocked out. Everyone loved Jones Jr when we was knocking everyone out, no ones cares about him now that his career has come to an end. fans appreciate the defensive genius
robinson is the greatest because if is he in the world of today, with all the modern medicine and boxing techniques, he would excell in all areas even more
The Sugar man is my number three behind Ali and Jack Johnson
I'm the number one Pacquiao fan. I believe he can beat many fighters from different eras. Alot of fighters. He can even beat Mayweather or Martinez. Sugar Ray Robinson is not one of them. SRR would've schooled the best Pacquiao, Mayweather, Leonard, or any other greats. This was boxing at its very finest. This very man was the reason p4p is a word.
Man If look at Robinson before the first bell he looks like ali or ali looks like him, Robinson was like a ole blues player, had tools way ahead of his time, but was limited do to times. He moved steadily to the left, but didnt dance, flicked the jab but it didnt quite flow smoothly. It was almost like Sugar Ray was only the begginning of something special.
what a right hand, first time i watched this, perfect set up, anyone know what weight gloves they used back then, they look pretty small, almost like bag gloves.
(cont). Fighters back then were NOT DUMBER or less skilled than today,it wasnt because they werent using their heads as you seem to think. It was because they simply wanted to fight to prove to the world and themselves who was the best fighter. Nobody can say they are the best fighter unless they have been in a real war. In other words, i'll take your best shot,and give you mine. Hence---a SHOT at the title. Hell, JAKE LAMOTTA had mad boxing ability,but he chose to brawl using the science of in
Rocky Graziano was washed up when he fought Sugar Ray Robinson. He didn't have that great right hand of his in a long time. He wasn't even the same in his last fight with Tony Zale. He attempted a great comeback though.
sugar ray robinson is truly the greatest of all time
Yes. I couldn't agree more.
Let's put Robinson's greatest in perspective, he fought at a time when organized crime called lots of shots in regards to who fought whom(and who would lose in many instances). He also fought when purses were meager and fighting 15-20 times a year(yes, a YEAR) meant affording the lifestyle one desired. Lastly, how could a fighter of today(who fights maybe twice if not once a year) be able to compete with such a fighting machine such as Robinson? He's rip through the softies of today.....
Keep in mind that JMM and Floyd are two different counter-punchers. JMM counterpunches with "combinations" and agression while Floyd counters with pot shots. He does not punch WITH his opponents like JMM. Floyd only averages around 40-47 punches a round and that possibly won't be enough to stop a guy like Pac who throws twice that number. Again, I admit that it doesn't necessarily mean Floyd won’t beat Pac but it’s not a foregone conclusion from this fight. It’s a different set.
One of the most devastating right hands I've ever seen. Vicious
Man that was a hell of a right hand!
Rocky wasnt a defensive fighter. Everybody knows that. This is why SRR disposed of him in 3. All the great middleweights would have beaten Rocky. He was still a dangerous foe though and would be for any fighter. That being said, why dont you show a little more respect to a fellow fighter,an ex-champion who gave his all, and stop calling him names like " a joke". Shame on you,kid. This was a good man, and a good and tough fighter. This man was and always will be a CHAMPION. R.I.P.
An old guy I play tennis with hes 90 told me yesterday that Archie levin fought sugar ray and scored a knockdown on Sugar.. says theres alot of good fighters back then
Regardless of who was faster, Sugar had better footwork, more experience, and was a better puncher. SRR and Roy, there is no comparison. Now, Roy and the middleweights of the 80s. That would be interesting.
I think Robinson is the greatest welterweight of all time. But I would make Leonard, Hearns, and Duran(The Montreal version) even money with him. I think they would have a shot. But Robinson definitely without any shadow of doubt beats the rest.
read grazianos book when i was younger,"somebody up there likes me," had to order it special from library as it was so rare,its a great story and he had some life ,well recomended
(cont.). It isnt that these men had flaws,they had BALLS. They RESPECTED the fans and KNEW that people come to watch A FIGHT---not a boxing exhibition. Delahota,Mayweather,and Jones all had a hand in KILLING boxing in the 90's. That's where it really ended. Greed,no honor,and many other things. Boxing sucks now because the fighters suck. Now people go to a boxing match and pray that a fight breaks out. In the old-school people went to a boxing match and prayed that their heroes wouldnt die.
i like how the commentators aren't trying to analyze how the fight is going to end because they know everything there is to know about boxing or talk about irrelevant fighters and shit. just straight how the fight is and what the fighters are doing
@ramirezlegend And the pure thougness of fighters back then was another level.Rocky Grazianos father used to make him fight his tree year older brother from the age he was tree. He fought untill he feel asleep from tiredness or from being punched. Jake la motta had same experiances. I think the old timers would eat up todays fighters becose boxing is not only about skill. Its about mental thoughness with todays fighters rarely have.
The real Sugar doing it up!
1. Roberto Duran 33% 2. Henry Armstrong 22% 3. Floyd Mayweather 14%
World’s Greatest Ever Featherweight
1. Manny Pacquaio 56% 2. Willie Pep 15% 3. Salvador Sanchez 8%
World’s Greatest Ever Bantamweight
1. Wilfredo Gomez 32% 2. Ruben Olivares 12% 3. Carlos Zarate 10%
World’s Greatest Ever Flyweight
1. Ricardo Lopez 27% 2. Jimmy Wilde 20% 3. Michael Carbajal 12%
Well yeah. Agree to disagree. I would just reverse what you said. I think today's boxers couldn't hang with most of the old timers, with a few exceptions.
choice dude ur totally right on that point they dont make them like they used to
Again,Floyd is a great boxer, who can counter punch. JMM is a supreme counter puncher who likes to fight. Floyd does not counterpunch like Marquez does.JMM has a different punch selection and he never blocks, parry or shoulder roll.JMM simply takes a quick step back and fires like a SOB in different punch sequences. Jab, uppercut, hook. Hook. Uppercut,uppercut.I'm not saying that Floyd isn't capable of doing what Marquez did.All I'm saying is Marquez and Floyd are naturally different fighters.
(cont.) Tyson did have the skill and when he used it against his opponents it was beautiful watching that old-school stuff, but since he abandoned it so early on and we only saw him REALLY use it on average opponents i'd could list you literally hundreds of fighters who were better at in-fighting than Tyson. People get caught up in what Tyson could've been and should've been instead of what he ultimately WAS. Again i dont care how much "Skill" you have if you dont use it.
He had a good chin but the problem was that he relied entirely on being able to take the punches.
Graziano could slip a few with his crouching defense but for the most part he took it on the chin.
Taking all that punishment caught up with him which is why he didn't last very long at the top.
Some were faster than Robinson
Some hit harder
But none one threw faster harder punches than Sugar Ray
Easy to see and the one thing that really sets him apart
Oh and Robinson is definitely the best of all time, not necessarily in terms of skill but by what he accomplished. Even then, skill-wise Robinson is top three; Mayweather though would have given him a run for his money. Robinson never faced anyone with the defensive skill that Mayweather possesses, I dare say Mayweather has the best defense of all time. It would have been a dream fight up there with Tyson, Ali .
@mufc881 Tommy Bell, Fritzie Zivic, Marty Servo, Sammy Angott, Jake Lamotta & Artie Levine although they were middleweights. Sugar Ray Robinson beat many Hall of Famers, and World Champions both at Welter and Middle Weight. There are many others where that came from.
I think in those times they boxed with 6 ounce gloves, though I'm not 100 percent sure. Today, anything 160 pounds or above use the 10 ounce gloves.
it's a real shame the greatest boxer of all time lived his retired years broke....
@JcLeopard
Yes, absolutely. For anyone that needs to hear it from Jake's mouth....RUclips search:
Mike Tyson joins David Brenner on his late night talk show, Nightlife Pt. 2
Chuvalo also mentioned it with himself and how that aspect of his boxing ability seems to go unnoticed.
Many old timers complain about the lost art of boxing. Rolling with the punches, slipping....even using feints....some say are not use to the level today as they used to be. The little things that have been lost.
the stuff that they coudldget away with then, they would never be able to do now! its still great to watch though
le plus fabuleux de tous les boxeurs c'est Sugar Ray Robinson, puis vint Ali
Sugar Ray robinson would whoop Mayweather for Breakfast, Marquez for lunch,and Pacquiao for dinner and still be wanting a snack before he went to bed. One of the best fighters ever!!!!!!!!!!
thanks for posting this video this is good shit!
You can watch Zale knocking him down with relative ease even though Graziano had given him hell in their two previous bouts. Then again he was caught with punches (in both the Zale and the Robinson fight) that few could have gotten up from.
These were the only times he was ever stopped
People forget how tough Marcel Cerdan was.
Marciano had a 65-66 inch reach and Graziano had a 68 inch reach. Only way they could land punches.
True, except the exact opposite of what you said. All sports, especially boxing, have a developmental and scientific aspect. Athletes are far healthier, faster, stronger and more skilled than they were even 10 years ago. Jordan could tell a big difference in the game just in the short time he retired and returned. I bet the Sugar in this clip might not even make the pro circuit today. Of course he would be amazing to watch had he been born and trained in this era.
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If you think Robinson was quick here - when fighting Rocky Graziano, at the age of 31 years old. Just think how fast he was at the age of 26 years old . He must have been something else and more deadly as he didn't have that death in the ring on his mind....
was just thinking these guys look small for middleweights, then realised that's because they're actually fighting at the contracted weight and haven't put on 20 pounds since the weigh-in like fighters do today.
I'm surprised Rocky lasted as long as he did here cause he was taking a lot of vicious shots
If he talked as much as Ali did, everybody would know him as the greatest.