Marcus because time and place to introduce new ideas and in the middle a huge rush isn't the time. Did Carmy take it too far? Potentially. But ultimately Marcus created a situation in an environment that was already cause and effect or action/reaction.
@@Luckytrapt you’re right about time and place, and that makes it initially Marcus‘s fault. But Carmy pushes it too far, and ends up being the one to apologize. he pushed Marcus and encouraged Marcus the whole season to perfect that, and he knew how much it meant to Marcus. Marcus talks about how he had never been encouraged to try with something as much as he did with the donut. Carmy having that reaction is cruel, he knew how much it meant. Could have given him 30 seconds
@@mctheplaywright And Carmy apologizes for his reaction to Marcus bringing him the donut during the crazy rush. But he’s apologizing for his reaction being too far not that Marcus was completely fine. Carmy, and Marcus to some degree tho I can’t recall if it’s shown with Marcus, know that Marcus was wrong to bring it up then. Carmy was wrong to react the way he did but Marcus was the action to start the chain thus his fault. He’s worked kitchen long enough he should know. Especially after Carmy has had to tell him a couple times by that point to focus up. Side note for fun: I mean I worked back of house and seeing a head chef apologize for a horrible reaction was enough to remind me it’s fiction lol
Boyce wasn't ready for this to be so argumentative/dismissive but Altman's got more masterpieces than Kubrick has movies. (He also made more bad movies than Kubrick has movies. It's complicated.) Altman's unbelievable. Very cool pick.
Kubrick is a far superior and more influential director than Altman, but it's funny how Jeremy Allen White quotes Paul Thomas Anderson who indeed talked about Kubrick a lot especially during the period he was filming Magnolia and Kubrick was doing Eyes Wide Shut, but in reality PT Anderson's greatest influence is Robert Altman especially in his ensemble movies.
Yeah, Altman's a great director and all but against Stanley Kubrick, really? Someone like Alfred Hitchcock or Akira Kurosawa would've been a far better pick.
@@Whoa802 yeah, Kurosawa, Fellini, Hitchcock, those are guys who can stay into a debate with Kubrik. But they are americans, they think cinema=hollywood
I love how Jeremy listed all of Kubrick’s “Masterpieces” without even mentioning Barry Lyndon, The Killing and Paths of Glory that’s just how good he was undoubtedly the best
Paths of Glory could probably be considered one of his masterpieces but I don't think Barry Lyndon sits in there. I mean it's still very good, but it doesn't have the same cultural influence as the ones Jeremy mentions.
For me it's Martin Scorsese. He makes incredibly complex films over and over again and proves that he is absolutely up for the task every time. Love him to death
@@thewestsideducks absolutely insane analogy. How are films like "The Last Temptation of Christ" or "Silence" comfort junk food like Mac and cheese? You've basically called most of the legendary film directors, Mac and Cheese.
@@deluxereissue Please explain to us how The Last Temptation of Christ, After Hours, The Age of Innocence, The Last Waltz, and The Departed are remotely similar, let alone the same movie or actually watch some of his films before parroting the uninformed opinions of MCU fanatics.
I agree with Lionel on Altman. 3 Women is a masterpiece. Kubrick seemed better at achieving his singular vision but Altman gave more room for the actors to breathe and do their stuff to create something special and imo more entertaining. His movies do feel more real and organic. You put on an Altman film anytime around me and I'm more likely to want to watch it beginning to end. The characters are more relatable and more vibrant. Kubrick is probably more of an artistic genius and his movies hit the spot when you're in the right mood for them but they feel sluggish when you're not. The genius of Altman is that he gave more leeway to his actors for them to also use their own genius. To be fair, I may change my mind about this tomorrow.
I'd have to side with Jeremy because of the various masterpieces Jeremy listed in Stanley Kubrick's amazing movies, that I, too, love to date! I further agree with Jeremy that Robert Altman would direct the 'Bear' better than Stanley Kubrick because Altman is sensational in capturing the audience's emotions in his stylistic film-making talents.
Akira Kurosawa would win 7 Samurai inspired The Magnificent Seven one of the most iconic American Westerns. Most his filmography has been regaled in cinema.
He keeps mentioning PTA but doesnt mention that PTA literally worked under robert altman on sets with him. He yelled about being called “little Bobby Altman”
What a joy to watch guys (humans) respectfully thrash out at topic that means so much to both of them. And what a prvililege to watch people who are not only masters of their trade, but such commensurate students of it too.
Exactly lol. We're talking about a hundred year old artistic craft. The fact that people believe you HAVE to choose one out of THOUSANDS of greats is so ridiculous to me...
I believe his role in OF was mostly related to the shows they did. Like Loiter Squad and he was a main producer for The Jellies as well as a show Jasper was on. Seeing him in this show was a pleasant surprise compared to the comedy shows he’s done, love how the OF boys careers went :)
1. Stanley Kubrick 2. Akira Kurosawa 3. Alfred Hitchcock 4. Charlie Chaplin 5. Billy Wilder 6. Andrei Tarkovsky 7. Martin Scorsese 8. Paul Thomas Anderson 9. David Lynch 10. Steven Spielberg
First things first, OFWGKTA. Happy to see Lionel having a good acting career and second, Without Altman we wouldn't have Kubrick. But I like Kubrick more
Jeremy u say u don’t think of sound design when THE BEAR USES SO MUCH SOUND DESIGN TO CONVEY STORY like when carmi had a panic attacked and they made a distorted version of that REM song to portray that 😂
Kubrick reached a higher peak with Barry Lyndon than Altman ever did. But I think Altman’s oeuvre as a whole is more impressive, if I could only watch one of their filmographies it would be Altman.
Nashville is the greatest American film of all time and in that decade alone he also made MASH, The Long Goodbye, California Split, Images, Brewster McCloud, McCabe & Mrs. Miller, and 3 Women. Kubrick made 2 movies in the whole seventies. Altman is just unmatched in his versatility, consistency, and quantity of quality movies he was able to put out in such a short period. Barry Lyndon is a masterwork but Altman has 4 just in that decade.
My Top 10.. 1. Stanley Kubrick 2. Akira Kurosawa 3. Andrei Tarkovsky 4. David Lynch 5. Robert Altman 6. Martin Scorsese 7. Yasujirō Ozu 8. Ingmar Bergman 9. Terrence Malick 10. Hayao Miyazaki HMs - Steven Spielberg, Alfred Hitchcock, The Coen Brothers, Paul Thomas Anderson, Werner Herzog, Wong Kar-wai, Wes Anderson etc
it was more about PTA then about Kubrick and Altman... 🤣 Matter of fact PTAs favourite filmmaker is Robert Altman. He has said it multiple times.. Rober Altman and Jonathan demme
I hope they also captured more content with them beyond them just arguing about directors lol. This is a cool concept, but I’d rather learn more about them as actors and The Bear.
less than 60 seconds in - Gordon Parks? Milos? Huston? Rossellini? De Sica? TARKOVSKY? Kubrick > Altman in terms of resume, Altman definitely helped build an independent, cine-verite-ISH style (in the same vane of a Malick, etc.). A little disappointed in the lack of love to Paths of Glory, but nice debate nonetheless. Best Director of ALL-TIME is a fun debate, especially when the barrier of language goes away.
Nah, sound is more important than cinematography. It’s a lot easier to watch a poorly shot movie with good sound than a well shot movie with terrible sound.
"Zsigmond recalled many years ago in London when Altman and Stanley Kubrick ran into each other after seeing each other’s films, McCabe and 2001. “Robert,” gushed Kubrick, “those zoom lens shots are incredible. Did you do it yourself?” Altman replied, “No, my cinematographer does that.” “And you trust him?” Kubrick shot back. -Vilmos Zsigmond on McCabe & Mrs. Miller"
Kubrick made arguably the greatest horror movie of all time, arguably the greatest sci fi of all time, arguably the greatest period piece of all time, arguably the greatest war movie of all time...
Hitchcock, Bergman, Tarkovsky, Fellini, Godard, Ozu, Kurosawa (...) and so on come to mind, but in the end the way one ranks those legends along with Kubrick comes down to personal preference.
This was entertaining. I’m not a big fan of Kubrick or Altman, generally, although while I think Kubrick is the better director of the two, Altman directed my second favorite film of all-time (McCabe and Mrs. Miller), also the only film of his I love.
The real debate should’ve been, “Was Marcus or Carmy in the wrong for the donut incident in Episode 7?”
Marcus because time and place to introduce new ideas and in the middle a huge rush isn't the time. Did Carmy take it too far? Potentially. But ultimately Marcus created a situation in an environment that was already cause and effect or action/reaction.
@@Luckytrapt you’re right about time and place, and that makes it initially Marcus‘s fault. But Carmy pushes it too far, and ends up being the one to apologize. he pushed Marcus and encouraged Marcus the whole season to perfect that, and he knew how much it meant to Marcus. Marcus talks about how he had never been encouraged to try with something as much as he did with the donut. Carmy having that reaction is cruel, he knew how much it meant. Could have given him 30 seconds
@@mctheplaywright And Carmy apologizes for his reaction to Marcus bringing him the donut during the crazy rush. But he’s apologizing for his reaction being too far not that Marcus was completely fine. Carmy, and Marcus to some degree tho I can’t recall if it’s shown with Marcus, know that Marcus was wrong to bring it up then. Carmy was wrong to react the way he did but Marcus was the action to start the chain thus his fault. He’s worked kitchen long enough he should know. Especially after Carmy has had to tell him a couple times by that point to focus up.
Side note for fun: I mean I worked back of house and seeing a head chef apologize for a horrible reaction was enough to remind me it’s fiction lol
Marcus obvi
No difficulties there Marcus should've read the room!
Need more of actors talking about their favorite style of film and generally on the magic of cinema !!!!!!!!! This is cool
It's all over RUclips
Odd Future has birthed some of the most intriguing talents these past two decades.
With his origins in OF are you at all surprised his focus was sound design?
I had no idea Lionel was that deep into classic film, lol. I remember him for his goofy skits on Loiter Squad.
@@A-Dubs398 OF members are influencing the film and television world (including Taco and Jasper).
Jeremy’s like “yes yes you’re right, everyone is entitled to their own opinion… even if it’s wrong.”
And he was valid.
@@sourbaileys Calm down
@@balabanasireti pipe down son
They both had great arguments and are both versatile actors
I think Jeremy Allen White had a stronger argument by far😂
Lmfaooo I love them they have great chemistry and some really good arguments for both sides. 😅
I really love seeing people in any industry talk so passionately about their inspirations/favorites/heroes and analyze them.
There would be no Paul Thomas Anderson without Robert Altman
Well said.
There would be no Chris Nolan or Denis Villenueve without Stanley Kubrick arguably.
@@daelenstonemeier490 the world could do quite well without christopher nolan
Magnolia is literally Short-Cuts of the 90s..
@@ggthewhale I mean to be fair Nolan is one of the most important/influential filmmakers working today.
This is dope they both came along way in their careers
Loiter Squad🧀/Shameless💣❤️ to The Bear🐻
Boyce wasn't ready for this to be so argumentative/dismissive but Altman's got more masterpieces than Kubrick has movies. (He also made more bad movies than Kubrick has movies. It's complicated.) Altman's unbelievable. Very cool pick.
Kubrick is a far superior and more influential director than Altman, but it's funny how Jeremy Allen White quotes Paul Thomas Anderson who indeed talked about Kubrick a lot especially during the period he was filming Magnolia and Kubrick was doing Eyes Wide Shut, but in reality PT Anderson's greatest influence is Robert Altman especially in his ensemble movies.
Yeah, Altman's a great director and all but against Stanley Kubrick, really? Someone like Alfred Hitchcock or Akira Kurosawa would've been a far better pick.
@@Whoa802 yeah, Kurosawa, Fellini, Hitchcock, those are guys who can stay into a debate with Kubrik.
But they are americans, they think cinema=hollywood
I love how Jeremy listed all of Kubrick’s “Masterpieces” without even mentioning Barry Lyndon, The Killing and Paths of Glory that’s just how good he was undoubtedly the best
he did mention barry lyndon
He mentioned Barry Lyndon
@@Rein-s8m yeah I know he did in the video but he didn’t when he specifically listed off his 5 “masterpieces”
@@kanepovey2781 oh my bad sorry I was on the toilet when I watch the video I wasn't really paying attention. That was my bad
Paths of Glory could probably be considered one of his masterpieces but I don't think Barry Lyndon sits in there. I mean it's still very good, but it doesn't have the same cultural influence as the ones Jeremy mentions.
For me it's Martin Scorsese. He makes incredibly complex films over and over again and proves that he is absolutely up for the task every time. Love him to death
But does he have the same range as other directors ? Kubrick has a great film in pretty much every genre.
@@deluxereissue that is not true at all. How is raging bull like Wolf of Wall Street?
i think scorsese is like the mac and cheese of directors. you're not going to see a scorsese flick for a science fiction movie
@@thewestsideducks absolutely insane analogy. How are films like "The Last Temptation of Christ" or "Silence" comfort junk food like Mac and cheese? You've basically called most of the legendary film directors, Mac and Cheese.
@@deluxereissue Please explain to us how The Last Temptation of Christ, After Hours, The Age of Innocence, The Last Waltz, and The Departed are remotely similar, let alone the same movie or actually watch some of his films before parroting the uninformed opinions of MCU fanatics.
I agree with Lionel on Altman. 3 Women is a masterpiece. Kubrick seemed better at achieving his singular vision but Altman gave more room for the actors to breathe and do their stuff to create something special and imo more entertaining. His movies do feel more real and organic. You put on an Altman film anytime around me and I'm more likely to want to watch it beginning to end. The characters are more relatable and more vibrant. Kubrick is probably more of an artistic genius and his movies hit the spot when you're in the right mood for them but they feel sluggish when you're not. The genius of Altman is that he gave more leeway to his actors for them to also use their own genius. To be fair, I may change my mind about this tomorrow.
I'd have to side with Jeremy because of the various masterpieces Jeremy listed in Stanley Kubrick's amazing movies, that I, too, love to date! I further agree with Jeremy that Robert Altman would direct the 'Bear' better than Stanley Kubrick because Altman is sensational in capturing the audience's emotions in his stylistic film-making talents.
Martin Scorsese and Akira Kurosawa should be next.
Akira Kurosawa would win 7 Samurai inspired The Magnificent Seven one of the most iconic American Westerns. Most his filmography has been regaled in cinema.
How has no one noticed that Jeremy looks exactly like Gene Wilder here
yes i was trying to remember who he looks like they look just alike
Literally thought recently that he should play Gene Wilder in a movie.
literally everyone has noted that lol
Actually, Altman *did* do a sci-fi movie: Quintet, with Paul Newman.
Yup
We need more debates like this.
He keeps mentioning PTA but doesnt mention that PTA literally worked under robert altman on sets with him. He yelled about being called “little Bobby Altman”
Props to a member of odd future showing love to Altman. Especially mentioning Images.
Lienol on GQ is crazy 🤣🤣 odd future forvere
thanks gq for hyping up jeremy allen white cause he deserves it. the bear rules.
you should do more vids on people debating best director
What a joy to watch guys (humans) respectfully thrash out at topic that means so much to both of them. And what a prvililege to watch people who are not only masters of their trade, but such commensurate students of it too.
The advertisement campaign for 'The Bear' was long time due, I'm glad it started now at the least. It was easily one of the best shows of the year!
Kubrick's influence is everywhere, but I LOVE Altman so much personally, so this debate was really fun!
GQ never fails to entertain
I've first watched "2001" when I was 8 and it was absolutely mesmerising. Yes, Kubrick is my favourite movie director.
Going to check out some Robert Altman films after this. Thanks
so happy and proud to see how far lionel has come. forever my favorite
Personally couldn’t pick a favourite director, I love way too many equally
Exactly lol. We're talking about a hundred year old artistic craft. The fact that people believe you HAVE to choose one out of THOUSANDS of greats is so ridiculous to me...
I loved The Bear.
Something about Jeremy yelling always so cathartic hahaha
Huge OF fan and had no idea Lionel was a cinephile
I believe his role in OF was mostly related to the shows they did. Like Loiter Squad and he was a main producer for The Jellies as well as a show Jasper was on. Seeing him in this show was a pleasant surprise compared to the comedy shows he’s done, love how the OF boys careers went :)
1:13 he looks just like Gene Wilder it’s actually insane
this is charming but lionel was fighting an uphill battle
1. Stanley Kubrick
2. Akira Kurosawa
3. Alfred Hitchcock
4. Charlie Chaplin
5. Billy Wilder
6. Andrei Tarkovsky
7. Martin Scorsese
8. Paul Thomas Anderson
9. David Lynch
10. Steven Spielberg
Great list if you take out Billy Wilder and insert Ozu.
@@khyrianstorms i gotta agree this list with ozu in it. thats where its at!
First things first, OFWGKTA. Happy to see Lionel having a good acting career and second, Without Altman we wouldn't have Kubrick. But I like Kubrick more
Ok Jeremy need to remake Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory dude looks like his dad hahah
Jeremy u say u don’t think of sound design when THE BEAR USES SO MUCH SOUND DESIGN TO CONVEY STORY like when carmi had a panic attacked and they made a distorted version of that REM song to portray that 😂
GQ; more of this please.
i see lionel i click
These two could co-Star a new rendition to blazing saddles. Jeremy just looks like Gene Wilder.
jeremy allen white would make a great wolverine
been saying this
He would be better as cyclops
@@elijahstark3663 jensen ackles or scott eastwood should play cyclops
@@vespertil10 scott eastwood has the look, jensen ackles if he shaves would be 100% Scott Summers the leader
Not at all lmfaoooo
Here are some directors that could be considered
Alfred Hitchcock
Billy Wilder
Akira Kurasowa
Andrei Tarkovsky
Orson Welles
This guy look like willy wonka
Brewster McCloud. I find myself loving Altman more as I get older.
Kubrick reached a higher peak with Barry Lyndon than Altman ever did. But I think Altman’s oeuvre as a whole is more impressive, if I could only watch one of their filmographies it would be Altman.
Nashville is the greatest American film of all time and in that decade alone he also made MASH, The Long Goodbye, California Split, Images, Brewster McCloud, McCabe & Mrs. Miller, and 3 Women. Kubrick made 2 movies in the whole seventies. Altman is just unmatched in his versatility, consistency, and quantity of quality movies he was able to put out in such a short period. Barry Lyndon is a masterwork but Altman has 4 just in that decade.
@@treywebster7224 EXACTLY, explained it better than I could!
his egg? 🥚 🥚
Kubrick is the safe answer, Altman is the real answer.
Lmao bro really tried to debate Altman vs Kubrick
pls give a raise to the editor of this... brady i see you
You’re nice. Thanks!
I don’t know man. I don’t want to live in a world without either and the long good bye is one of my favorite movies of all time.
My Top 10..
1. Stanley Kubrick
2. Akira Kurosawa
3. Andrei Tarkovsky
4. David Lynch
5. Robert Altman
6. Martin Scorsese
7. Yasujirō Ozu
8. Ingmar Bergman
9. Terrence Malick
10. Hayao Miyazaki
HMs - Steven Spielberg, Alfred Hitchcock, The Coen Brothers, Paul Thomas Anderson, Werner Herzog, Wong Kar-wai, Wes Anderson etc
1 Scorsese
2 Nelson Pereira dos Santos
3 Kubrick
Top3
Good list!!
1.Ingmar Bergman
2.Wong Kar Wai
3.Akira Kurosawa
4.Andrei Tarkovsky
5.Martin Scorsese
6.Stanley kubrick
7.yasujiro ozu
8.david lynch
9.paul thomas anderson
10.masaki kobayashi
wong kar wai should be higher
great list
That moment where Jeremy seemed worried Lionel was about to embarrass himself by almost listing Popeye as one of Altman's Masterpieces XD
This is great can’t wait until Lionel gets the backing peele has
i loved this, very funny. love The Long Goodbye, such a great movie and why I got a cat
If I had to drink for every time someone said “PTA” I would need a liver transplant.
Every actor mentions PTA, I agree
idk if i have the brain capacity of a 12yo but kubrick's film is anything but easily digestable, his movie is a fever dream for me basically
it was more about PTA then about Kubrick and Altman... 🤣 Matter of fact PTAs favourite filmmaker is Robert Altman. He has said it multiple times.. Rober Altman and Jonathan demme
Just saying Jeremy Allan White should have played willy wonka in the wonka prequel film
"wow 60 seconds is long"
"you talk too fast :)"
😭
I hope they also captured more content with them beyond them just arguing about directors lol. This is a cool concept, but I’d rather learn more about them as actors and The Bear.
13:48 I feel like Lionel hasn’t even seen that many Altman movies for this statement alone 😂
I love both of them but I agree with Lionel!
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Vanessa
less than 60 seconds in - Gordon Parks? Milos? Huston? Rossellini? De Sica? TARKOVSKY?
Kubrick > Altman in terms of resume, Altman definitely helped build an independent, cine-verite-ISH style (in the same vane of a Malick, etc.). A little disappointed in the lack of love to Paths of Glory, but nice debate nonetheless.
Best Director of ALL-TIME is a fun debate, especially when the barrier of language goes away.
How TF did Lionel not mention 3 Women!? Easily one of Altman's top 3
Altman? Thats who they chose? Not even in the same league!
The Bear is a fantastic show
Altman made The Long Goodbye. Kubrick didn’t. Case closed.
It’s the looooooong goodbye…. And it happens every day
W goes to Lionel.... and I don't even agree with him.
those big captions appearing whenever they tried to form their sentences lol
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Jeremy looks like a young Gene Wilder and would make an excellent Willy Wonka.
this easy -
Stanley Kubrick has directed better Films, but Robert Altman is a better Film Director.
@GQ
i like how theyre born in the same year
no 3 women mention smh
Nah, sound is more important than cinematography. It’s a lot easier to watch a poorly shot movie with good sound than a well shot movie with terrible sound.
"Zsigmond recalled many years ago in London when Altman and Stanley Kubrick ran into each other after seeing each other’s films, McCabe and 2001. “Robert,” gushed Kubrick, “those zoom lens shots are incredible. Did you do it yourself?” Altman replied, “No, my cinematographer does that.” “And you trust him?” Kubrick shot back. -Vilmos Zsigmond on McCabe & Mrs. Miller"
Kubrick made arguably the greatest horror movie of all time, arguably the greatest sci fi of all time, arguably the greatest period piece of all time, arguably the greatest war movie of all time...
Kubrick! Thanks, Jeremy.
I love these guys, keep doing these !
Love this format! Hope to see more of it
Them : Kubrick vs Altman
Me : Kurosawa
altman actually made two sci-fi movies: countdown (1967) (made a year before 2001) & quintet (1979)
I'm with Jeremy on this one. Kubrick was the master.
I don't know many directors, but the second Lionel called out 2001 I was on his side
wow touché gene wilders grandson is quite the debater
I’m going with Scorsese 💯
they both did horribly lol
Is it even possible to place anyone against Stanley Kubrick? Man was the legend.
100%. One of the most singular talents of all time. The only two I think could give him a run for his money are Orson Welles or Alfred Hitchcock.
Andrei Tarkovsky.
Carl Dryer
Welles
Hitchcock, Bergman, Tarkovsky, Fellini, Godard, Ozu, Kurosawa (...) and so on come to mind, but in the end the way one ranks those legends along with Kubrick comes down to personal preference.
For recent time, my picks are either Christoper Nolan or Denis Villeneuve.
This was entertaining. I’m not a big fan of Kubrick or Altman, generally, although while I think Kubrick is the better director of the two, Altman directed my second favorite film of all-time (McCabe and Mrs. Miller), also the only film of his I love.
So no one’s gonna talk about how he looks exactly like Willy Wonka?
Whoa. That’s crazy
for me the GOAT director has to be Hitchcock or Tarantino. Kubrick and Altman are amazing though
For me I would have to pick a genre for each director. You don't go to Scorsese for a romantic comedy lol.
Too easy for Jeremy, Kubrick all the way for ez win
Martin Scorsese. Boom. End of discussion.
petition for these 2 to do a remake of see no evil, hear no evil
Kubrick. Sorry Lionel, but I’m with Jeremy on this one.